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Pokémon Adventures Vietnamese names

I noticed that you added a bunch of missing Vietnamese names for Pokémon Adventures characters. I am guessing you have the volumes? If you do I was wondering if you could add the round titles to the pages (I know the titles for some of them from images)? Also could you add the names for like Pryce's Lapras, Whitney's Pokémon, and many others? Lady Ariel 19:49, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Ah yes. I have these volumes in Vietnamese. I really can't promise if I can do it regularly since it is "Back to school" time. But I'm happy to help and I will try my best to add things. Saphir (talk) 00:47, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Okay that would be appreciated. However, if you don't have time due to school if you want to create a list in Google Docs, or something similar, of the names I could help add them for you (since there is a ton of pages, which includes characters, locations, round titles, the alternate titles if they translated those which should be at the end of the last volume of the chapter, and a few other miscellaneous pages.). However, I can tell you that I personally know the names of the rounds for volumes 1 through 8, in addition to 11 and 13 (I found some preview images of some of the volumes from a book store).
Also please keep conversations on one talk page, as per the Talk page policy. Thanks. Lady Ariel 00:59, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Sure, when I need help I will contact you. And thanks for telling me about the policy. Saphir (talk) 01:15, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Okay sounds good. Also just a little note to you, since I think it is a pretty obscure page, the song Boy and his Lapras would need the Vietnamese translation too (not lyrics though, just the title). Lady Ariel 01:19, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Oh and I forgot to mention that I have added the names section, along with the tables, for all of Green's Pokémon (I noticed you skipped all but Blasty). Lady Ariel 01:49, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
So about the song, only its Vietnamese title needs to be added, right? I put it in. Well, about the other Pokémon of hers, I could not find them so I just move to the other articles to add content. Thank you very much. Saphir (talk) 01:56, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes only the Vietnamese title needs to be added for the song (I don't think we want lyrics in every language for it, but I could be mistaken so you might want to ask Zesty Cactus about that for sure). I will also hopefully get around to adding the tables for the other Gym Leader's who have nicknamed Pokémon over the next few days. Lady Ariel 02:49, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
By the way, do you know who should I contact to get article unlocked? I want to add the name in Vietnamese to Lavender Town but the article is locked. Saphir (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
You can contact any Staff member that is an Administrator or higher to unlock the page, but it would be best to see which ones are active on the Recent changes first (they have Poké Ball icons next to their username). However, I can edit the page since it is protected so only users who are autoconfirmed can edit it (there was some trivia that kept getting added a while back which is why it is protected, not sure though if the protection is still required though). If you would like I could add the name for you until the page is unlocked or you become autoconfirmed.
Also a little side note, but the Spoons of Destiny will also need the Vietnamese name. Lady Ariel 15:37, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Ah, so it is why... About the articles, I planned to put the Vietnamese names there from volume to volume instead of digging random ones (it is exhausting for me to do that way), so no worries haha. Since there is no list about which articles that are missing Vietnamese names and the information on the Project Manga's to do list does not do much help, I guess this is the only way. Saphir (talk) 05:11, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Yeah there isn't really an easier than going from volume to volume, since there isn't anyway to generate a single list (I might make a list in my userspace in a couple of days since that will probably be easier to navigate). However, did you want me to add the name for Lavender Town or did you want to wait to add it?

Also I noticed that you changed the translation of Diglett's Cave from "Lỗ Digda" to "Hang Diguda". Was "Lỗ Digda" an error on your part or was it actually used in the manga? If both of those were used in the manga, then both names should be listed and formatted like this: {{tt|Lỗ Digda|PS???}}<br>{{tt|Hang Diguda|PS???}}. This would also apply to everything else that has a couple different translations.

Also I know that you skipped the name for Red's Diglett, and I added the table for it the other day (should be in volume 2). I have also added the tables for Misty's Staryu, Brock's Geodude, Whitney's Miltank, Erika's Tangla, and Misty's other Pokémon. Of those that I listed, I think Misty's Staryu and Erika's Tangela should be in volumes 1 and 2, respectively, and the others I think are in latter volumes. Lady Ariel 17:23, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Ah, forgot about that, sure, its Vientnamese name is called Thị trấn Shion. It is not my mistake, and they are not used both in the manga, either. Lỗ Digda was used on the first volume, but after that volume, people complained about the quality of the translation and such, so there was a delay to reboot, re-translate and such, then the reboot of volume 1 and the second volume came out respectively. So after that "reboot", it became Hang Diguda. I just updated things to match the latest translation. Since the originally first volume is considered as having "bad translation" by many people (lead to the reboot) so well... I do not think I should keep the "bad-translated" name.
I did not skip Red's Diglett. I found nothing in the volume so I decided not to add. In there, he just called it "Digda", which is it Japanese/transliteration-from-Japanese name. Red did not name his Krabby in Vietnamese translation, either. The Vietnamese volumes are translated according to the original Japanese ones, so there are some parts that might not be available in comparison to the English ones. The other Pokémons of Misty are named (from what I've seen so far) are Chinchou and Lantern. As I have not yet reached GSC arc in my edit, at the moment I do not touch these. Thank you for adding the tables. Saphir (talk) 00:35, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Okay I have added the Vietnamese name for Lavender Town. I also agree that the translations from Volume 1 should probably be ignored then, since they are bad translations. As for Volume 1 is there three different versions of it then (the original Vietnamese translation from 2003, the "bad translation" version, and the "reboot version") and does each have a different ISBN? As for Red's Krabby, maybe it only has a nickname under Misty's care? Also I will add the table to Whitney for the names of her Pokémon in the next day or so (and since you aren't to the GSC arc yet that shouldn't be problem yet).
Also when you add the Vietnamese names to the round pages, such as PS052, please add the English translation to it (like this: {{tt|VS Gangar|VS Gengar}}) unless its name is the same in both Vietnamese and English (like PS001). Lady Ariel 20:19, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
No, that's not it. The first volume of the second edition has 2 versions; the original, first-launched version was considered of having "bad translation"; the second version, with the update were published a few months later. I doubt if they have different ISBN. The original edition from 2003 and the second edition (no matter first or second version of) from 2015 surely have different ISBN. The first volume of mine was the original version of the second edition so I will leave Red's Krabby and Diglett to someone who has the re-edited version. Red's Krabby (which should be Misty's now) might has a nickname but I do not think I'll meet it until GSC arc, if I'm not wrong. And thanks for the note. I will remember that. Saphir (talk) 02:40, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Yeah that makes sense about the different editions. Also did the Vietnamese version of Volume 4 have a name for Celadon University and the Super Nerd? Also could see if you can find the Vietnamese names for the different types (there is only a few missing I think, but a couple we have could be incorrect)? Lady Ariel 20:20, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
There are ones for them, but the Super Nerd is called by his trainer class, also (I'm surprised that I found his real name here). Okay, I will check the types. - unsigned comment from Saphir (talkcontribs)
Yeah I meant the name for the Trainer Class and not his actual name (not sure where we got that from, as I haven't found any mention of it yet). Also are the Vietnamese names for wild Pokémon, Agatha, and the Kanto Power Plant in Volume 4 (if not I am sure some of them will be in later volumes)? Also do you know the name for the Pokémon Mansion (Volume 2 I think)? Also a side note here, but can you also look for the names of the different stats (they will scattered most likely across multiple volumes so it might be easier to add them as you find them)? Also Psychic-type is the one I am not completely sure is correct.
Also this weekend I might be able to make a list of sorts to help keep track of what to look for (it will probably be easier and then I can add them as I think of others that aren't so obvious). Lady Ariel 01:05, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
There are. While the name for wild Pokémon and Agatha have no problem, the name for the Kanto Power Plant has the meaning "Abandoned Power Plant" in Vietnamese, and no "Kanto" in that name so I am quite doubted. I checked the Psychic type and the name put there was correct. I have to say that I have never played Pokémon ever before (even though I always wish I had chance to play -- well, maybe I will manage to be able to play) so I do not really have any knowledge about the stats. I just can say that I will try, but can't promise for sure. Thanks a lot for the list then. I really appreciate it. Saphir (talk) 01:21, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Even though the Vietnamese name translates to "Abandoned Power Plant" that is okay, since that is also what its Japanese name translates too (and also what it is called in the English manga; I think the "Kanto" part is from the English translation of the games specifically). Lady Ariel 02:20, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Okay I have made a list, which can be found here. Obviously it isn't complete as a ton of moves aren't listed at the moment, and I didn't bother to list the rounds that need the Vietnamese titles since they should be pretty easy to figure out. The list should be pretty straight forward (I have also left some notes where to find some things and questions about others). If you have any questions please let me know. Lady Ariel 23:18, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Hi. Sorry for this late response. I was preoccupied with school since it's my senior year and I need to pay quite a lot attention for 2 last terms. Thank you very much for the precise list. I think I have some spare time on Friday, Saturday and Sunday of this week and the later one so I will try my best to finish the listed ones (first), then the chapters later (hopefully)... I will surely ask you if I have any further question. Thank you very much for your concern. Saphir (talk) 01:23, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

That sounds good. Also just want to note since my initial message I left you about the list, the list has been complete (with maybe a couple things I might have missed along the way) to the most recent volume released in Vietnam (which is volume 28). Articles that are in future volumes to be released are hidden on the page at the moment, and will be visible once the volume is released. Also feel free to edit the list in my userspace (if you can, not sure if you have become autoconfirmed yet or not, but you can tell if the "edit" button is at the top of the page) as you add pages and/or can't find them in the rounds I have specifically listed on there (or in the cases of some pages not existing, add them to the list for the time being). Just try to limit your edits to the userspace.
As for the rounds, I know the Vietnamese titles for all of the Yellow chapter and the rounds for the GSC chapter in Volume 11 and Volume 13 (thanks to images from a bookstore chain's website), and the rounds for Volume 8 are already listed on here. I would be happy to add the other round titles for you for the GSC chapter (it wouldn't be too hard for me to do since you wouldn't even have to type them, just a picture of the table of contents). As for everything starting with the Ruby & Sapphire chapter, I am not sure if they have the alternate titles or not for them (they would be located at end of the last volume in the chapter, so for example the RS chapter would have alternate titles at the end of Volume 22). Lady Ariel 18:06, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I am happy to have your help ;). Well, one question, what is the "Leaders" language section that appears on Tarte and Liza's article is about? I'm quite confused about it. Also, I cannot find the language box for Battle Tower and not really sure if I should create one so I just leave it that way. Saphir (talk) 11:39, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
The "Leaders" language section is on Tate and Liza's page since they are the only characters that have that trainer class (I think it is only in the games). All characters with unique trainer classes have that section (Wallace is another example). As for the Battle Tower, the Battle Tower has a page separate from the Battle Frontier page (found here). Also I should probably note this for you too regarding the list, but the moves and Abilities are in order as they appear in the manga, with the top of the list starting at Volume 5 and then continuing onto Volume 6 and so on (there might be a couple moves that are out of order, but the vast majority are in order). Lady Ariel 17:47, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
I see. I saw on the list you had listed the islands of Sevii Islands, and Deoxys (Adventures). Yet I cannot find the place where to add Vietnamese names for them. Do I have to create language box there? Saphir (talk) 12:04, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Yeah those pages don't have any other languages yet, so you will have to add the table for those pages (there is probably a few more pages like those that you will find too). If you need any help with those tables feel free to let me know. Also when I mean the names for like One Island I am referring to the name for Knot Island, and not a repeat of One Island (since those are on the town pages and there is no need to repeat them). Also I have a little request for you concerning the berries on the list (since they aren't in order and some are repeated in latter volumes these will make it easier). Instead of removing them from the list, strike them out (like this: <s>[[Pecha Berry]]</s>), which will make it easier to keep track of as the series progresses.
Also was the name originally listed for Amphy an error in PS155? If so it should be noted in the errors section on PS155. Lady Ariel 14:55, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm afraid I'll have to ask for your help creating those language boxes. I'm quite confused about the colors. Was there any typical or specific rules about colors for those boxes? Besides, is it weird to have a language box with just two rows? Also, should they be the one like on Joey's article or Earl Dervish's?
Yes, the name originally listed for Amphy was an error. I thought that people may want to put it as a note on Amphy's article instead? Saphir (talk) 11:28, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Okay the colors for the language boxes typically use the colors of the infobox, which in the case of Pokémon is their type. In other cases you would have to see what color is used in the infobox to determine the color for the language table. Also there isn't a problem with having a language table with only one or two entries. As for the type that you use, it depends on the situation. So for example Earl Dervish has the one with the origin since his names have a meaning to them, whereas Joey's names are just random names given to him. Most locations, with the only exception I think being cities and towns, use the type on Joey's page.
I have set up One Island (seen here), the only thing you will have to do is remove the code hiding the table (these: <!-- and -->). That same type of table you would use on the other Sevii Islands, Mother, Ryu, and Deoxys (Adventures) (but replace "In other languages" with "Names", and place one table under each Deoxys). As for the Picnicker's Zigzagoon, that would use the same type of table as Brock's Geodude (or any nicknamed Pokémon) and it would be placed under the manga section on the page.
As for Amphy was it mistakenly called "Erika" in other rounds or was that the only time? If it was the only time then I would say it was most likely an error and shouldn't be noted on Amphy's page. However, if it was called that on multiple occasions then it should be noted on Amphy's page (with a note saying on which occasions it was called that). Also you put Pibu's name as Pichu. Was that a typo on your part or is it really only called Pichu (which wouldn't be surprising since it doesn't really have a name in most translations)? Also can you add the Vietnamese name for Guile Hideout when he is called "Armored Man"? Lady Ariel 18:38, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining things out. Since some articles do not have any infobox on them and the colors on the language boxes are varied, they make me quite confused. I would personally take Amphy's error on translation as minor to be honest, since there are so many of them in Vietnamese translation (the latest volume when Green/Blue (JP) mentioned she would love to meet the 2 other dex holders of Hoenn, it appears on the volume as Johto and people all know it's bad translation though. But well, okay, I will note this. Yes, I am absolutely sure that it is called "Pichu". You can ask randomly a Vietnamese person about "Pichu" (if they know about Pokemon, no matter the person has little knowledge or big fan), they can tell you the exact one, but asking them about "Pich" or "Pibu" is quite... Well, "chu" is the word for mouse (how the mice squeak) so it is not strange the translator kept them. About Guile's name as Armored man, I had already added it, but messed with a language template of a Chinese information above so the field was not visible. I fixed it already, thanks for telling me. Saphir (talk) 05:04, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

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If any of the Sevii Islands don't have a name mentioned you can remove them from the list (I am not sure if all of them were mentioned or not). Also when you added the name for the PokéNav is that the name for "PokéNav" or "Pokémon Navigator"? Translations for both names should be listed on the page (PokéNav is in PS207 for example). Also a little question for One Island, you put its name as "Hòn đảo nối kết những vận mệnh", but all the other islands start with "Đảo" so is "Hòn" a part of the name?

As for pages that don't have any infobox you just use whatever colors seem to be the most appropriate for that page (sometimes based on the primary type that person uses or the colors that are most prominent on them are just a few examples). For those many errors, they should be noted on the individual round pages in the errors section. Lady Ariel 18:34, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Alright then. Since only One and Three Islands are named, I'll erase the rest. The is no difference between Pokémon Navigator and PokéNav in Vietnamese transliteration. I checked both Ruby - Sapphire and Emerald versions and they all use the same name. I honestly do not know if it is a part of the name, though. I just put on the content in the bracelets " and ". Đảo Mẹ Con was actually in the bracelets... and so does the name I put on One Island... so... Also, I couldn't remember in which chapter Pacifidlog Town was mentioned. Do you mind listing them for me? Saphir (talk) 10:55, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Pacifidlog Town is in PS240, which I think is its only appearance. Lady Ariel 20:19, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
I was going through the list and I noticed a while back you removed the Rental Pokémon, but they don't have the Vietnamese name listed. So are they not mentioned in the Vietnamese version (that would be strange considering they are required for the Battle Factory) or did you accidentally remove it? Also I noticed you skipped over the Poké Doll (guessing it had to do with the tables not being listed there). Just wanted to let you know that the other languages tables have been added to the page.
Also I noticed that only Green's Abra is missing its name. Is that mentioned anywhere in the Vietnamese translation (not sure if you checked the end of PS180, since that lists their Pokémon and that might also work for Red's Diglett)? Lady Ariel 15:12, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
My apologies. Looks like I accidentally removed the Rentai Pokémon. I actually planned to work on the articles with language tables first before moving and creating language tables for the others. I can't find the name for Green's Abra to be honest. I did check the chapter you listed several times before, but the Vietnamese version just only list the species of box members and not their names (the same thing happens to Red's Diglett). The only box member with both name and species revealed is Gold's Pibu.
I also want to ask you about the chapter in which Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald receive their titles. Are they in Ruby-Sapphire or Emerald arc? In that case, I'm afraid I can't find any since there is no information about those. Saphir (talk) 11:51, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Okay then I guess we can remove Green's Abra then. As for the titles for Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald I have no clue since I don't recall ever seeing them, but I would assume it would have to be in the Emerald chapter (since Emerald isn't in the RS chapter). Also just to let you know some pages that you have previously skipped, like Ryu and Evolution-inducing held item, have the other languages tables added. Lady Ariel 13:42, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
I see. I will try to contact people whom I know about their titles... since they read the English version, they might know. And thanks for informing me ;). Saphir (talk) 13:51, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
So I have contacted these people. They said that the titles for Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald (and even up to White) were in a comic guide (probably the MOOK, they did not mention which one specifically). Currently, minus the volumes, none of PokeSpe-related franchises are available in Vietnamese. So I will remove these from the list. Unless there are products that related to these, I won't be able to put the Vietnamese versions of these titles there. Unless you want me to fake them, which I am sure you absolutely do not want to. Saphir (talk) 00:31, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Yeah we don't want any made up names listed on here. Also I was wondering is there any specific reason why you skipped most of the Berries (like are most not named or is there trouble trying to find them or figure out which one is for a certain Berry)? Also I forgot to add to the list the HP Up, which is in PS015. Also just to let you know the last couple of updates I have made to the page included some additional pages, like Birthday, Gender, Item, and Pokémon training (the rounds where to find these are listed on the list of missing names). And one more thing, in the next update to the page (which will be saved later today) I will include the rounds where most of the Abilities are mentioned (mostly focusing on the ones that are listed in character descriptions). Lady Ariel 17:54, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
I wasn't skipping any to be honest. Since the translations for the respective berries are harder to check than the moves, name, etc. (even all of them were translated by Shogakukan themselves, the Vietnamese translator just does her job translating the conversations in fact) I do have problem with putting on the translation on the language tables. Example: Emerald's Sudowoodo, whose gender is female. Vietnamese translation said that since it is so gentle, it must be a girl (they put the word "cô gái" there, which literally means girl). Obviously, "con gái" when translate from Vietnamese to English have 3 cases: girl (in general), daughter (family member) and female (gender). "Cô ấy là một cô gái" or "Cô ấy là con gái" both can be translated as "She is a girl" or "She is female", they both are equal in meaning. But saying "Giới tính của cô ấy là con gái" is wrong, it should be "Giới tính của cô ấy là nữ"; like you do not say "Her gender is girl" but "Her gender is female" instead. The same thing happens to "Gender", "Birthday" and some. I put both the meaning available for Birthday in Vietnamese translation, but since the ones on "Birthday" really do not have much difference, I do not think it is the problem. I actually am worried about the others. So I want to know about your opinion. What should I do with these? Saphir (talk) 12:26, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

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Okay that makes sense about why you skipped some pages at the time you did certain sections. What about the context for male and female in PS340 (it is when Rowan and Mr. Berlitz are discussing the differences between male and female Pokémon, which might be a better place to look for a more accurate translation)? As for the translation of Birthday, I think both of those should be okay (as long one doesn't refer to date of birth). I am guessing that is also why you haven't done the statistics yet? What are some other pages you are having trouble finding translations of? By the way everything, except the Antidote, that I have noted as might be listed on the exam in PS190 are one of the answers so those should be okay to use.

As for the Berries, in PS198 the Razz, Belue, and Wepear Berries aren't mentioned in conversation (they are pointed out by Ruby, who only says one or two words that aren't for the Berry, and each Berry has its own dialogue box). However, the Spelon Berry (PS198), Tamato Berry (PS199), Figy Berry (PS242), Magost Berry (PS318) are mentioned in longer conversations so they will need a little more looking into (I might be able to help you with some context from the Vietnamese version). As for the Oran Berry, PS185 might be the best location as Ruby only points out the Oran and Pecha Berries (and you already listed the name for Pecha, so the name that isn't used should be the name for Oran). Also the Pinap Berry should be the third answer to the first question on the exam in PS190 (not sure if the Bluk Berry is really mentioned on the exam since the original version lists the Sitrus Berry as the second answer instead; the only way to check if it is Sitrus would be to see if the name is also mentioned in PS200 or PS226). Also this is the order in the Japanese and Chuang Yi version for the Berries listed by Ruby in PS200 and by Sapphire in PS226: Cheri, Chesto, Pecha, Rawst, Aspear, Leppa, Oran, Persim, Sitrus. That is also most likely the order in the Vietnamese version. I hope that helps you somewhat with the names for most of the Berries. Lady Ariel 18:48, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

I have completed the Berries section (well, minus one since the translation does not match; Vietnamese and Japanese versions mentioned the Sitrus berry as the answer B during the Sapphire's exam/test, but English version put Bluk berry there. Guess I'll have to check for the name of Bluk berry in future volumes). For statistics, I can't find Hit Points to be honest. I did check the chapters you mentioned but couldn't see anything similar.
About the gender, yeah, the discussion of Mr. Berlitz and Rowan really said things out. But do the genders in the article available for Pokémon only or human also? If it is just for Pokémon then I think it is fine for now (the Unknown should be done when new volume out). And what do you mean by "one doesn't refer to date of birth"? (I'm sorry but I'm kinda confused.) Saphir (talk) 10:21, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
I don't think the Bluk Berry is mentioned in any other volumes (that I am aware of anyway). Also is the Dive Ball really called "Bóng Drive" (seems like that might be a typo)? As for Hit Points maybe try checking PS039 (Red looks at the screen and says something about its HP; this will at least give you the abbreviation for it from the screen anyway)? In regards to Gender, I believe that page is only referring to Pokémon. And what I meant when I said that about birthday, I meant as long as one isn't used to refer to the date of birth for a character (such as when their date of birth is listed in the character summaries). Lady Ariel 18:37, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Oh, is that so? I saw there are some using times listed on Bluk Berry article so I thought I could use them? Well, yes, it is how it is mentioned (by the way, I do not know why there is a difference, but the summary of Pokéball of volume 14 you mentioned is actually on volume 13 of Vietnamese version). Probably it is a typo, though. I would love to recheck however I do not think there is another chapter to do so. If I see any correction I will let you know.
I saw you listed Berry Juice on the list, may I ask in which chapter it is mentioned/appears? As for Critical Hit, unfortunately there isn't any listed chapter so do you know where I can look for it? And another question. Just to save time actually, if in an article that does not yet have a language table, is it okay if I just put the Vietnamese name on the list beside them, like with the articles that have not yet been created? Saphir (talk) 06:04, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Actually after I posted that message on here about the Bluk Berry I noticed the translation you listed for the Belue Berry, which caused me to realize the name for the Belue Berry was actually the name for the Bluk Berry (it was an error in the Chuang Yi translation, they called the Bluk Berry the Belue Berry). As for Critical Hit, I have rounds listed but they haven't been released in Vietnamese yet (first one isn't until PS382, which is Volume 34). I put it on there because I wasn't sure if it was mentioned earlier or not. For the Berry Juice, I am not sure if it is ever named (so you will have to check to see if it makes sense), but it is most likely mentioned in PS199, PS248, PS262, or PS318 (I think PS318 is the most likely, you might have to remove "Magost" for the name of just Berry Juice though). Also was the abbreviation for Hit Points listed in PS039 (might be on the monitor)? And is the Old Gateau just called "Youkan" and not a translation of "Forest Yōkan"?
As for the articles that don't have the language tables add yet. That is fine that you list the Vietnamese names on the list for now (I can help add them as I get a chance). However just to let you know these pages have tables added: Ilex Forest shrine, Pokémon Fan Club Chairman, Day-Care Couple, Professor Oak's Laboratory, Pokémon academy (a table for Earl's Pokémon Academy isn't on there yet though), Kanto Pokémon Federation, Magma Leader, and Aqua Leader (there is a few others too, but they are in the Other section so I am guessing you haven't had a chance to look through all of those yet). Lady Ariel 15:23, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
I see. So, um, I will have to look for Belue Berry's name in later volumes? About the Youkan, no. Diamond only mentioned that Pearl did not know how to eat Youkan in the Chateau. For the rest, I will be sure to check and put their names on once I have time. I have pretty busy time ahead.
P/S: I left a message on your talk page in Archives site, if you do not mind, please check it out. You can respond here or there ;). I'm sorry if that message bothers you. Saphir (talk) 05:22, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I have responded to you on the Archives. I am not on the Archives often so I rarely check my messages there, but thanks for letting me know you posted there. I don't think you will have to worry about the Belue Berry in later volumes, because I don't think it is in any future volumes. Also a little question for you (out of curiosity so I know if I should add any pages from them to the list), but are you going to get any Vietnamese Pokémon manga other than Pokémon Adventures? I am asking because I think they are releasing the M19 manga next week. Also later today I will unhide the pages on the list that are found in Volume 31. Lady Ariel 18:11, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I will study about the formats and links you gave me on Archives. About the other mangas, it depends, actually. The place where I live in is not an urbanized place, so not all the mangas are available here, mostly the famous/popular ones. If the mangas are available and I am interested on it, I would highly say yes. For the M19 manga, I learned the news about it via the publishing house's Facebook post, but unless it is available in my place, else I am completely unable to have it. At the moment, I have not gotten a single sight of its existence here. Saphir (talk) 09:47, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
Okay if you happen to see it and/or manage to get it (or for that matter any future ones outside of Adventures) just let me know then so I can possibly add them as necessary to the list. Also just a heads up, but it probably would be a good idea to get as much done before the release of Sun and Moon in November since the wiki might be locked for a few weeks (not sure how long you will be busy). Lady Ariel 17:10, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

(resetting indent) I will be sure to tell you then. Oh man. I get stuck in the next two weeks so I think there will still be time. In the case there won't, I'd like to look on the bright side that I will be able to check: the remaining ones on the list (hopefully user mainspaces are not locked). Saphir (talk) 06:51, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Okay sounds good. In the event that the wiki is locked before you are able to add anything, you can always just keep track of them in a Word document, a Notepad file, or something similar (and then just copy them to the list once the wiki is unlocked again). Lady Ariel 18:05, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
I know a while back you removed Cerulean Cave since it was't named. However did you also check the Adventure Map at the end of Volume 3? Also I have added a few more pages from the first chapter that I missed before. Lady Ariel 19:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I indeed did not check that part. My bad. Thanks for reminding me. Saphir (talk) 01:38, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
I did not play the game so I have to ask this. Sorry if it sounds dumb. Is the Coin used to play in slot machines only or used as a currency also? Saphir (talk) 10:43, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
For the Pokétch app names they would go in the Specific apps section, but not all are named so a special dash will need to be added. If it is easier, you can just add their names to the missing names list and I will add them for you when I get a chance (been very busy lately working on getting somethings from Sun and Moon). Also is there any reason why String Shot, Fly, and Aqua Jet were skipped? As for the Reaper Cloth, I don't think it is in any future volumes that I am aware of. Lady Ariel 15:49, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Just noticed your question about the coin too. I believe coin is specifically for the slot machines, because the currency used in the games is the Pokémon Dollar. Lady Ariel 16:07, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Okay. For the 3 listed moves, they are not named in any volumes. Fly can be literally translated, but well, I don't think I should be the one to "do" the translations. Either String Shot or Aqua Jet can appear in later volumes so I let them there. About Reaper Cloth, with B2W2 upcoming volumes, hopefully it will be used there. Else I have no idea. I have exams from tomorrow to nearly over January so I probably won't be back until then. And what's with locked articles that have colorful sparkles on them? Saphir (talk) 06:36, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Forgot saying this. Thought I would let you know. Someone here actually "does" the translation, while the game has never been available in Vietnam, and PokeSpe volumes published there have translator working for the publishing house and I believe that one is not the one who works for the mentioned publishing house as the translation they put there are wrong. I have to fix plenty of their edits (check the Coin article's history if you want to know). Do we really have any way to deal with this? Saphir (talk) 06:41, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
The pages that are protected with the sparkles are part of a Bulbagarden contest. It might be best to list their names on the missing names list until the contest is over. As for the Vietnamese names, let me see if I got this straight. The names in some articles are incorrect names and were made up? Do you know if they were ever used in the anime?
Also by the way for ones that have a few different names could you note the round they were used in (using this after the name: {{tt|*|PS###}})? This will help keep track of where certain names were used in the future. Lady Ariel 18:12, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Not all of them are made up. Some are fake, as they make no senses, either in whatever language, that's the made up ones. Some are translated from the English names used here in Bulbapedia to Vietnamese (like the old name put on Mythical Pokémon article), but I do not consider them as "official" since the games have never had Vietnamese as one of its languages. I do not watch the anime to be honest, but I tried to ask my siblings and cousins who enjoy it, and as far as I learn from them, none of these seems to be the one from the anime. Your suggestion may work with the article like Jasmine's Amphy and such, but for the ones that these names are all used eventually, meant none of them are mistranslated or they are equal and used through out the series, that would be a lot and I'm not sure I can keep track of them. Saphir (talk) 02:02, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

I found that user, but not quite sure if this is all of them. Most of my edits for the Vietnamese languages have been altered by him and now I have to fix all of them again... Saphir (talk) 02:12, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

If that user alters your names in the future, it would be wise to contact a staff member so it doesn't become an edit war. As for the names I am guessing you are referring to moves that probably have multiple names and would be hard to keep track of, you should do something like the following. If a translation of a move is used for an entire volume or for an entire chapter, that should be noted instead of the individual round number (so something like this: {{tt|*|Pokémon Adventures volume 5}} or {{tt|*|Yellow chapter}}). Otherwise if the translation of the move is changed in say volume 11, but doesn't change again in future volumes then put something like this: {{tt|*|Pokémon Adventures volume 11 onwards}}. Lady Ariel 16:45, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
I tried to reason with him so let's hope we can have a deal about it. Quite hate to have nonsense fusses. Well, let's see what I can do about that. First guess I'll try to finish the list first... Saphir (talk) 16:45, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
I have set up a format that can be used for the moves that have different names in the anime and manga on pages like Signal Beam and Poison Jab. Also I am not sure what is taking Kim Dong so long to update their site. Can you add the ISBN for Volume 36, unless Kim Dong updates their site before then which should include the ISBN? Also do you want me to include rounds that are missing their Vietnamese names on the list? Lady Ariel 17:30, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
It's actually the format I tried to tell him to follow. Do you mind having a word with that user for me please? I think I had given him confusion. I had added the IBSN. The reason for the late update on their site must be because Tet holidays, the national New Year holidays in Vietnam. You can put them on the list if you want to :D. Saphir (talk) 09:59, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Okay I will add them to the list once I get chance, since I am pretty busy at the moment trying to get the Pokémon models from Sun and Moon. However, if there is anything on that list that you aren't sure where they are might be at in a specific round, please let me know and I will try to point you to the area where it might be mentioned. Since a lot of the ones under the "other" section on that list are probably a little harder to find. Lady Ariel 17:25, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Could you add the ISBNs for Volume 37 and Volume 38? Also was the name "Saque" used for Sird only in the Platinum chapter or was it also used in other chapters (since if it changed between the two chapters, we should note that)? Lady Ariel 21:28, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Sorry to reply to you this late. No worries because busy is understandable and acceptable to everyone. I thought I'd be free when I finished the last semester, but no... it turned out that I'd be busier and busier, and I feel like all of my vital energy is drained, but because it's my final semester, I'll try to give my very best, it means that less time for my favorite activities :| so I guess I'll contact you about anything I don't get, but only when we have time to be online c: For the name "Saque", it's used for the last chapters of Diamond Pearl (I haven't made that far in Platinum and I still not see Sird there). Jupiter told Mars and Saturn in that chapter 414 that Sird was one of the Three Beasts from team Rocket, and Sird clarified that "Saki" is used when she was on team Rocket, as an alias (or somewhat like that), and her real name was "Saque". So I think both names are used on DPPt. And I finished adding the IBSNs for the ones you mentioned. Saphir (talk) 09:35, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

That is interesting that the first name was used as an alias, since I don't recall that being the case in the versions I have seen. Yeah I completely understand about you being busy, since I have been busy myself lately so I haven't even had a chance to add the Vietnamese names that you have listed (I will get to them though). Also for any future volumes, just double check to see if their ISBN is listed on here (since Kim Dong still hasn't updated their site). I am not sure why Kim Dong still hasn't updated their site, since it has been about a month since the last update. Lady Ariel 18:38, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Really? Since the original katakana just let us know her name was "Saki" with no official romaji for that name until the final showdown marks the appearance of romaji "Saque". Kim Dong becomes lazy anyway. They updated the missing volumes up to 38 and stopped. And no worries, I can still manage things :D. Just 2 questions have been in my mind for a while. Why this place has to split into 2 places, one for content and one for images? And why people stopped adding the covers for the volumes? Because it's not that hard as I noticed they did that before, just need to take the covers from Kim Dong's site and convert them to PNG format. I actually planned to help out, but I honestly don't have time to be in bulba archives to contribute there to become autoconfirmed to add images, and I don't even know what should I do there anyway... Saphir (talk) 04:07, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
I have no idea why the site is split into a site for the images and another for content. I would suggest talking to Kogoro about that. A lot of covers are missing, and its not just the Vietnamese volumes. I am hoping to eventually be able to upload the missing covers myself, it is just I have been very busy getting the Pokémon models from Sun and Moon lately so I haven't gotten around to it. Lady Ariel 16:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
I have a question. If gym leader or any character has in-game title that is mentioned or translated in the manga, is it possible for me to add them to the articles? I haven't had time to do everything at the moment but I suppose that I'm trying. Saphir (talk) 05:05, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes if any character has an in-game title that is mentioned in the manga you can add it. However, some of those titles might go on trainer class pages, such as Subway Boss, since they are used by more than one character. Also I just want to let you know, that all items are getting pages on this site, which is why I have items without pages listed on the list of missing Vietnamese names. So you can add them to the list or wait until the pages are created (which could be a while). Also I have added some additional pages to the list from earlier volumes, like Professor Oak's Fearow and Chairtarō. Lady Ariel 16:35, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
I see. If I don't know where to add the tile of an character, I'll be sure to ask. Saphir (talk) 13:22, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
When you added the Vietnamese name for Mother to the list, was it for Mother or Mom? There is two different tables on the Mother page, and I am not sure if it is for both of them or only one of them. Lady Ariel 18:13, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

(resetting indent) IDK why in English it's separated into 2 words (formal and informal I guess?), but there's only one way in Vietnamese to call your parent. There may be regional variations, but officially in the manga, I see "mẹ" only so I suppose it's for both of them. Saphir (talk) 06:24, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Okay that makes sense why it would be the same for both of the names, and plus a few other languages have the same name for both too. I have added the Vietnamese name to the page for Mother. Lady Ariel 15:39, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Ah yeah. Now I notice German language fields. Anyway, because I do not play any Pokemon games so it's hard for me to get on the moves and abilities. I might make silly mistakes and people will have to fix my edits and that can be a bother in my point of view. I'm not sure if this is going to be any help, but I found 2 spreadsheets (excel file) that contains move and ability names in both English and Vietnamese. They were generated by an admin of a Pokemon fansite (I find this place trustworthy). He/she collected the data from both Pokemon Adventures manga and the anime, and the sheets will be updated from time to time (you can also contact him/her if it's not updated or anything). I really hope this can solve the problem and save people's time.
P/S: Move namelist - Ability namelist Saphir (talk) 12:48, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Typically the policy on this site is we aren't allowed to use information from other sites, unless it has been verified. Since I don't speak Vietnamese, those lists don't make much sense to me since there is multiple columns. Have you personally been able to verify any names on that list? If you have verified the names, it might be easier for you to add them to the pages since I don't know why there is there multiple names for the same thing, and where they came from. Also are you sure the release dates for Volume 49 and Volume 50 are different, because those dates I listed originally came for the publishers website (which is down for me at the moment, but these are archived links)? Lady Ariel 15:41, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
I recognize some moves on the name list, but not all of them. Unless I go chapter-by-chapter and double check (actually triple check with 3 version being Japanese, English and Vietnamese) to "confirm" them, but as said, there are moves get their names revealed via anime and I don't watch anime so I really can't confirm those. I said the person somewhat trustworthy to me because as far as I know, he/she does contact the publishing house for translation matters, as well as being positive about using the translation names instead of self-translating them, unlike so many people. Though if it's necessary, I'd love to try to add them. My priority now is the names for characters, locations and such. Any in-game-involve terms are now on hold since I can't really do something I'm so unsure about. I'll ask you about them when I start working on these. About the dates, I absolutely sure am, because on those dates I grab the volumes from local bookstores. I don't know what's going on with the official site of the publishing house, but as far as I know, listed dates there are not accurate anymore. It's best that you check the releasing dates revealed on their FB account, like this one. And here is the proof that vol 50 was released in VN yesterday (VN time). Saphir (talk) 01:41, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
I think to be safe, it is best if you try and add the translations of the moves and abilities the best you can. And I will gladly help you in anyway I can once you get to things like the moves and abilities. Also I just want to remind you that we do need the names of the individual rounds added to the pages still. I know starting with the Ruby & Sapphire chapter there are two titles (except the FireRed & LeafGreen chapter, which only has the titles listed at the end of one of the volumes). The first title is listed on the contents page and the second title is in the last volume for that particular chapter (except the Black & White chapter which has them listed on the title pages). I am hoping to add those to the list of missing Vietnamese names in the future, but I am not sure when I will be able to do that. Please let me know if you have any questions about how to add those. Lady Ariel 18:40, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
When you add the Vietnamese names of the rounds starting with the Ruby & Sapphire chapter, can you add the subtitles for them which should be listed in the last volume for that particular chapter (so like Volume 22 for the Ruby & Sapphire chapter)? They should probably be listed like the German and Italian names for PS461. Lady Ariel 04:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Since I can't find the subtitle for PS461 (either the translator forgot to add it on or they intended to remove it) on my volume, I'll leave it blank so anyone has volume with edition/update (reprint) can add it on. I just leave it here to let you know.
Also, I can't find the name table for any chapter of volume 52 so I'll just leave them there. Saphir (talk) 05:41, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

The subtitles for Volume 52 aren't listed on the title pages for the rounds? Will you go back and add the subtitles for the rounds that you did before you started adding the subtitles? Lady Ariel 17:01, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
They are listed. I meant I couldn't find the "In other language" table for any rounds of vol 52 to add them in. The only subtitle that's not available is of PS461. I also can't find the dry favor as you listed, since the one I found on listed round was translated as "bitter" there. Since I'm busy and will not be active for long, do you mind listing the round in which Amber's given the nickname "Drop of Terror"? Only Black 2 - White 2 volume is available in Vietnamese version and nothing else. Not minivolumes or artbooks or databook. Saphir (talk) 01:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
For some reason I can't find the round that mentions Amber's nickname "Drop of Terror". It might have been mentioned somewhere else, or I might have missed it (its possible it could have been listed in one of those summaries at the end of the volumes). Volume 52 hasn't been released in very many languages yet, so the other languages section has been added yet. If you would like to just list them the list of missing names, that will work (I can add them when I get a chance). It might have been a mis-translation on one of the publishers ends, so I wouldn't worry about the name for Dry if its the translation for Bitter.
Did they list the individual character names for Proteam Omega (we should list those too)? Guard Split is mentioned in the same round as Power Trick, which is PS437. Lady Ariel 03:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Magnet Rise is mentioned in PS441, shortly after Cyrus disbands Team Galactic (it might be around page 195). Lady Ariel 04:02, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Just noticed you couldn't find Hex either. It should be mentioned in PS521, when Rood has Lampent use it. Lady Ariel 04:06, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I guess we'll leave Amber's nickname there for now. Yep, all the individual characters of Proteam Omega are listed, so I'll add them and the rounds of vol 52 to the list for you then. Saphir (talk) 04:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Okay I will add them when I get a chance (which not be anytime soon, but I will get to them). For the Proteam Omega names you listed, I am a bit confused what the part outside the parenthesis is. So lets take this for example: Đội viên Pika (Máy bay Tauri), I am assuming "Máy bay Tauri" would be the translation of "Tauri-Plane" but what is the "Đội viên Pika" part (the Proteam Omega page is only calling them like Pikachu, Poliwrath, etc.)? If I get a chance later I will see if I can locate the round that names Demon Brioche. Lady Ariel 15:47, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Alright. Thanks in advance. Yep, "Máy bay Tauri" is the translation for "Tauri-Plane". As Proteam Omega members come from the idea of Red's team, they use the names he called his Pokémon there, so Pika = Pikachu. About "đội viên", it simply means "team member". And by the way, vol 53 will be released on Jan 29, so I'll get the rounds updated by then. Saphir (talk) 04:23, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Okay so we might only need the first part then. Also just so you know I think the Battle Tent is mentioned in the last round of the Ruby & Sapphire chapter, around when they go to the Secret Base (if I recall correctly). As for the Giant Chasm, its not named in a round until Volume 53, its just mentioned in Blake's report in Volume 52. Small Court was mentioned in PS525. I know Big Stadium was named in Volume 46, but I am not sure where since I only have seen the magazine compilations and not the volume compilation. It would likely be mentioned in a special page about something in that round. Were you going to add the subtitles for the chapters that you didn't add them for (like the Ruby & Sapphire chapter)?
Also I noticed you added the names for the battle items to the list. Are they in order of how I had them listed originally (so like X Defense would be Phòng thủ+ and X Speed would be Tốc độ+)? I will try to locate the rounds for the Devon Goods, Pokéblock Case, and Soot Sack (I have a good idea where the last two are, I don't know about the first). Were the Hex Maniac and Roughneck not named (I noticed you removed them from the list, but their Vietnamese names aren't listed)? Lady Ariel 18:04, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Okay, I'll check the Items and Locations later since I'm busy here. Um, subtitles for which chapter? The only chapter's subtitle I skipped is PS461 because it wasn't mentioned on my volume. For Ruby & Sapphire chapters, I think I've done adding all of them. Yep, battle items were in the same order you'd originally listed. About Hex Maniac and Roughneck, I'm afraid not. I've tried digging the volumes but no result found. I guess that we'll have to wait until someone got the official namelist/translation from TPC to add these... Saphir (talk) 10:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh it appears all the subtitles are there now, when I checked before they weren't all there before. I would have thought at least the Hex Maniac would have been since the Ruin Maniac was, but I imagine things get lost or removed during translation. Lady Ariel 16:58, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Sootopolitan

Where does the Vietnamese translation of "Sootopolitan" come from? As far as I know, that title was never mentioned in the PokeSpe manga. --Maxim (talk) 18:05, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for telling me. I have checked the Vietnamese translation with an online English scan and I had misinterpreted the "Sootopolitan" with "Guardian of the Awakening Shrine". I removed the wrong change I had made. Once again thanks for telling me about this. Saphir (talk) 10:45, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk Page Comments

Removing talk page comments, including the initial welcome template, is prohibited per Bulbapedia's talk page policy. Please do not remove any comments in the future. If you wish to clean old comments away, you should archive your talk page instead. Thank you! ----Felthry (F.K.A. Xolroc) (talk) 16:09, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

The user you mentioned me removing his comments actually intended to respond to my comments on his talk page but did not know how at first. I told him how to do it (and he knows it now) and I have already moved all the related comments to that place. So, the point is, keeping the conversation in One talk page making me the one who violate the policy? Still, thanks for telling me. - unsigned comment from Saphir (talkcontribs)
The policy is somewhat unclear in this particular case. The policy states not to delete any comments, as well as to try to keep it to one page. I feel that the "don't delete comments" part is more important than the "keep it to one page" part, personally, but that's just me. --Felthry (F.K.A. Xolroc) (talk) 01:36, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

For future reference

If a user believes you're violating a policy, you should contact a staff member to resolve the issue. Continuing will likely cause either an edit war or the user to go to a staff member themselves.

As an aside, if you don't intend a third party to follow the conversation, moving comments to the correct page is often more work than's necessary. As long as you and the other user can follow the conversation it's generally fine. glikglak 03:33, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

As far as I know, we did not try to violate any policy. It was a misunderstand in the first place. Besides, he did not intend to "join" any conversation here, just tried responding my comments on his talk page but then ended up putting them on my talk page since he did not know how to do it properly (already told him how to do it and he got it now). Still, thanks for letting me know. Saphir (talk) 01:33, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Best Friend

Hey, would you happen to be able to translate the lyrics of Best Friend (the Vietnamese ending theme to M20)? --Abcboy (talk) 04:46, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

I can, but I'm busy now so is it okay if I do that later? Saphir (talk) 04:48, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Yep, that's fine, take your time. --Abcboy (talk) 05:12, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Creating page

how many articles do i need to edit before can i make a page or edit my own page at least? --Feelitstill23 (talk) 19:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)Feelitstill23--Feelitstill23 (talk) 19:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)--Feelitstill23 (talk) 19:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)