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Hey, man. I'm getting up to the Neo Series for the Theme Decks. Just wondering what the best prefix would be for the images. I've just done 'E<number>' for the e Series, and plan to do 'LC1' for Legendary Collection. Do you think 'Neo<number>' and 'Original<number>' would suffice for the first two Series?<span style="color:#0066FF">'''[[Surf (move)|~~]]'''</span>'''[[User:nuva-kal|<span style="color:#00CCFF">nuva</span>]]'''<span style="color:#0066FF">'''-'''</span>[[User_talk:nuva-kal|<span style="color:#0099FF">'''kal'''</span>]] 14:47, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Hey, man. I'm getting up to the Neo Series for the Theme Decks. Just wondering what the best prefix would be for the images. I've just done 'E<number>' for the e Series, and plan to do 'LC1' for Legendary Collection. Do you think 'Neo<number>' and 'Original<number>' would suffice for the first two Series?<span style="color:#0066FF">'''[[Surf (move)|~~]]'''</span>'''[[User:nuva-kal|<span style="color:#00CCFF">nuva</span>]]'''<span style="color:#0066FF">'''-'''</span>[[User_talk:nuva-kal|<span style="color:#0099FF">'''kal'''</span>]] 14:47, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
:Everything else is abbreviated prefixes with all caps. Wouldn't it be better to do something like "O" and maybe "N" or "NEO"? ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 15:59, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

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Garchomp and Hydreigon half decks

There isn't any indication that they will be featured as Pokémon-EX. All Pokémon-EX so far have been (basic) Legendary Pokémon. Plus, even if they were, their artwork shows they likely won't be EXs (they don't have CGI artwork which is basically a staple in regular EXs), at least in these half decks. What you wrote was pure speculation. Another thing is, how do you know that Roserade and Foongus will be Grass type and not Psychic types and how do you know that Houndoom will be Fire-type and not Dark-type? It seems to me that, since Drifloon is in the deck, Roserade and Foongus will most likely be Psychic-types too, but since anything isn't confirmed, what should be in the page is that they could be featured with either type. Metalizard 18:24, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

May I ask why you didn't just fix it instead of bitching at me? So I made a mistake. I was rushing through those pages when I made them because I had to get to class. You could have easily fixed it and posted an edit summary on why you removed things. I pay attention to all edits on everything I've ever created. I would have noticed, and in fact, I saw your edits before you posted this talk page message to me. Also, they do have the CGI "break the border" artwork featured on EX's. It is quite possibly that these Pokémon can be EX's, which is why I said "and may feature it as a Pokémon-EX card". There is evidence that supports it, and it was written in a way that represents that it both may and may not be an EX. Furthermore, I don't see you creating pages, so relax, and back down a bit. You're coming off as quite rude. MaverickNate 18:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
lol, you're the one who's being rude! If I sounded rude, it wasn't the intention. I just came here to warn you about it because if I just had done it without telling you, you would probably undo it all, like it usually happens :\. First, I didn't fix the types, because I wasn't really sure on how to change that (that's why I came here to remind you about it). Second, no, they don't have the CGI art that breaks the border, they clealy have hand-drawn art (you should probably look closer). And there's no evidence they will be EX's like you're saying and I don't think it's quite possible at all because of the reasons I said earlier (at least, not in these half decks; the main set may be a different story). Metalizard 05:33, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
haha, Pokébeach just confirmed they are not EX's, not even the main set ones. I told you they are only making Legendary Pokémon-EX... Metalizard 06:01, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
How ignorant of you. It was the Japanese official site that revealed it. PokéBeach doesn't reveal anything. They just post news. MaverickNate 16:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Even more ignorant you are by thinking I don't know that it was the official site. I just mentioned Pokébeach because that's where I go to know about TCG News. Seriously, are you so mad just because I was right and you wrong? Or because I ironically corrected you about things that you warned me about in the past? I won't waste my time arguing with you anymore. From now on, everytime I see some detail wrong, or something obvious that should be in a page but isn't, I'll fix it without caring if you agree with it or not. Metalizard 18:31, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Both of you need to take a chill pill and calm down. Enough with the insults. If you can't continue this conversation without attacking each other then it ends with my comment. Werdnae (talk) 03:42, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

TCG card edits

Sorry if it was meant to stay in the trivia section of the page. The 3-5 cards had it noted in the intro, so I thought that was where the other should have gone. Sorry if they were meant to stay in the trivia section. Frozen Fennec 18:18, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I only just started changing them. I didn't get around to fixing cards 3-5. MaverickNate 18:19, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Oh, ok. Again, sorry about doing so. Frozen Fennec 18:21, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Featured content for today.

It's slightly incorrect, as it sounds like if ExtremeSpeed lost its increased priority for Generation III, saying In Generation II and IV. And since it's protected, I can't edit it. Marked +-+-+ 09:04, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Remove a page?

Think you could remove [this userspace page]? Appears to be mostly blank party templates with nothing at all in most of them. Frozen Fennec 21:32, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Brother's Friend Never got an Activation Notice Email

My brother's friend says he signed up with an account a couple weeks ago. I didn't see him create the account. There were very little names. He signed up with the name ShadowLugia and he wanted to come on here to make edits, have a profile, contact some people, even interact with me and he has gotten no email in his inbox. I believe that he's still trying to help us with our situation that I'm not a sock of my sibling and he has a sibling of his own. He wants to explain that after he proves that we're not him. My brother also has a friend named Ruckus Jorgee. If he has tried to register and received no activation notice email, please send one to him too. He is neither IMMORAL or AMORAL because whatever Serebii said to him on his profile about a year ago isn't true. (MichaelXD 19:42, 25 February 2012 (UTC))

TCG Type

Hey Nate, would it be okay if the Elemental types (TCG) page be moved to Type (TCG) so as to reflect the recent change? TCG is more your domain, so I figure I'd ask before going gung-ho. --Spriteit 11:39, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


Can you put my Flora, Bakkie, Akkie, Grace(Unova), Edmond, and Domon pages on your Future Pages sections of your mainspace? Chomper4 14:54, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Another user

Seems this user is just using their talk page as an advertisement. They haven't contributed a thing since joining. Frozen Fennec 23:33, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Provide a link next time, kthnx? This would have been acceptable. MaverickNate 23:42, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Alright. Will do. :) Frozen Fennec 23:49, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


I noticed this was on the template, which kinda surprised me. Also my experiment page, which you called "Things" have been moved here. Finally, I was hoping you could put this page on the template as well, but if it's there already then nevermind.--ForceFire 09:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Double colorless energy image

Why was it reverted?Arkenaw 00:16, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Because the image names are final and should never be changed. What should have been done is uploading a new version of the old file on the archives, which I have done. MaverickNate 00:18, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

TCG images

Heya, I'm a new user here at Bulbapedia. Among the first things I attempted to contribute with was uploading DragonBlastAron35.jpg. The summary included a few errors which another user was kind enough to solve, but there are still a few things I'm wondering if you could help me with.

  • The summary fix was good (judging by how it matches most other TCG summaries), but I'm a little puzzled by how it discarded information I tried to add (description, notes, summary). Isn't such information important after all, despite the upload-checklist?
  • While the image seems fine, can you check whether there are any errors about it? It'd be troublesome if I start uploading images while unknowingly breaking one or more rules. FrozenMetal 20:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
As a general rule here, we don't really reference or source things too much. (On a side note, I edited out your reference addition to one of the Wailord cards, simply because one can see the information stated is true simply by looking at the links provided in the trivia. We could also start doing our own categories like that: cards with so much HP; cards with certain retreat costs. With everything we already have in place, it would take one simple edit to throw all 7000 cards into those categories.)
Now, back to the concerns you brought up here. It is just something we don't really do here. For card images, we keep the summaries simple and straightforward. Most of the time, cards happen in batches of over 100, and in order to be one of the fastest news sites for them, easy and quick are the best things for us. Not too many people visit the Archives, so extended summaries aren't absolutely necessary, since not enough people would see it for the time investment they would need. Notes aren't too necessary. None of us are really concerned how the image is edited... we pretty much just want them to exist. As for the source: we give credit to those who want it and are on good terms with bulbagarden. Credit is also typically reserved for Bulbanews. We try our best not to have to use things from other leading Pokémon fansites, because we don't want to source them (but we will when we are forced to). When you add a link, you are supporting people going to whatever site you linked. We want people to stay here... especially for TCG. Providing them with a way out makes it so they don't come here. I've personally been trying to add a lot of new TCG features so that people want to stay here. If you are interested, I'll explain what they are to you.
As for rules and things about the images. Simply because it is a recently released Japanese set, we aren't too concerned with replacing the images we already have. I do understand why you uploaded Aron: It appears that the image was already uploaded on the Archives under a different file name that was not being used on the actual wiki page. It has since been fixed, and I have uploaded the image you provided overtop the image that already existed. We'd like to wait for the English release to upload a better, English image of the card. I'm a firm believer in not having to spend time doing something, just to have to do it again in a few months. There are a lot of things to do for the TCG here: time does not need spent having to redo something, if you understand what I mean. We'd also prefer not taking card images from online and scanning the cards ourselves. I am actually working on something with another online site, and have started personally scanning every card in format.
One last thing I noticed. I saw in one of your edits that you used the word "Wailords". This is incorrect. The plural of Wailord is simply Wailord. They are like sheep. The plural of every Pokémon is simply the Pokémon name. If you continue editing, do keep this in mind.
I know I said quite a few things right here. It might be easier if we could start talking in an instant messaging fashion. I like you, and I like what you're doing. If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to bring them to me, and I will try my best to help you out with them. MaverickNate 06:01, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for taking your time to provide a comprehensive answer. Personally I'm a fan of (heavy, if possible) citation, though I won't impose this opinion on Bulbapedia if it's not the norm. You seem like a very devoted contributor to Bulbapedia, and so I won't try to challenge your preferences either. Aside from that, you've probably noticed that I mostly focus on trivia regarding the TCG. For now I'm content with that, but I'm willing to help out with other work if needed (referring to the TCG features you mentioned). Finishing up another thing; the the "Wailords" was merely a slip, I already learned the "plural-rule" from Dark Kadabra. I've also got one more question: Although I already added some trivia about Wailord's HP on its main page, I've gotten the impression such trivia sections rarely (if ever) mention anything TCG-related. Is this a coincidence, or is it usually avoided? 17:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

TCG metagame/terminology

We have this for videogame terminology, and meta and metagame both redirect there. There's no mention made of the "metagame" as to how it is used within the TCG fandom. Do you think it warrants a paragraph there, a new page, or what? --P o L i 02:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure it could warrant a large section on that page. The page could probably be divided between the two, since they are equally as important. MaverickNate 20:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Anime characters in the TCG

Hi. Why can't cards like Brock's Geodude (Gym Heroes 38) be put in this section of Brock's page? I know that he has a Geodude in the games, so the card doesn't necessarily reference the anime Brock, but I think it should be included in the list. At the very least, Brock's Vulpix (Gym Challenge 37), Brock's Zubat (Gym Heroes 24), etc. should be included; they're clearly based on the anime. Bulbajer 18:08, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

The cards came out before the anime episode appeared. There is no way that the cards are based on that specific episode. MaverickNate 19:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Actually, EP028 aired ten days before Gym Booster 1: Leaders' Stadium was released, so both Vulpix and Zubat can be (and obviously are) based on the anime.--Den Zen 20:33, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
This is one of the reasons why I was against splitting off Brock (anime). The TCG can't appropriate the cards that go to game Brock and Anime Brock without speculation. Dennou Zenshi, can you add whatever is appropriate? MaverickNate 20:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Okay, cool. Thanks guys. Bulbajer 19:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

The Rarity about TCG

Excuse me, what is the different between Rare and Rare Holo? --847418742/Nick:Togekiss of Moon 03:58, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Represents cards which are normally holo. Rare Holo cards are twice as rare as Rare cards. They are also listed on Pokémon.com as Rare Holo. MaverickNate 02:57, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Minor style question

Some of the articles on the new Pokémon-EX have Full Art linked twice, once in the main infobox and once in the gallery. Example is Kyogre-EX. Others, such as Darkrai-EX, only link to it in the infobox. Which would you prefer? --P o L i 17:48, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I would prefer a link in both. As the infobox one only appears every other hour, the gallery one should be there. I also never saw a problem with linking to the same article multiple times throughout, which other people seem to have a problem with. MaverickNate 20:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Agreed on that note. --P o L i 17:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


Uhm I was wondering, I saw that were I added space to the asterisk you removed it. The information sticking near to the asterisk is they way it should be done in TCG articles ?----DJWolfy 17:52, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Yep. Every article does it that way. They also don't have spaces directly underneath trivia before origin. MaverickNate 18:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Every article from the TCG right ? Because as far as I remember Deth left a message on a user's talk page about removing spaces from asterisk when in fact, space should be added.----DJWolfy 18:46, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes. Every article from the TCG. Please do not add them anymore MaverickNate 18:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
I will. But could I know why TCG is the only Project that doesn't comply with the asterisk space ? ----DJWolfy 18:57, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Because of the way many articles are set up. The extra spaces become unnecessary and even sometimes problematic when there is a lot of text compromised into a small space, such as here. The TCG articles fit a very specific build when it comes to style, and no articles should ignore that style. MaverickNate 19:07, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
I see whay you did there. Good, thanks for the heads up !----DJWolfy 19:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

RE: Card Pokédex entries.

Sorry, I noticed that too late. But I think the expression "comes from" is a bit inappropriate, because you can't know surely for what reason the card designers chose which entry. Theoretical it is also possible that the entries in Pokémon Platinum were already decided when they designed these cards like the cards from Freeze Bolt and Cold Flare already contain the entries from Black and White 2. So I personally would prefer the expression "This card's Pokédex entry is equal to the entry in ..." and then it would make sense to name later released games as well. However, that's a matter of opinion and if you want to keep the "comes from"-phrase, it's okay for me. shadowtweaker 08:44, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, the Freeze Bolt/Cold Flare cards have BW2 entries, but BW2 will be released June 23, and FBCF July 13. FBCF is supposed to be the unofficial first set of the Black 2 White 2 era of Japanese TCG. And, at the point where we start saying "equal to", we'd have things like Secret Wonders and Dark Explorers Venusaur saying "Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Black, and White", which I personally think is going a bit too far, considering if they decide to reuse old ones again and again, we'd have to go back and edit hundreds of pages. It may not be perfect, but I'd like to keep it the way it is for now. It could probably be brought up later, when there isn't anything else to focus on. MaverickNate 08:51, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

TCG sections on character pages

I've gone ahead and implemented the template on Misty to see what you think before I update them on other character's pages. The changes fit nicely around the existing code so there is no effect on the main Pokémon TCG pages, and I think I've included everything necessary for current characters (apart from double Energies in the type column, which also needs looking at on the main setlist template). ~~nuva-kal 22:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Speaking of Double Energies, though, Politoed mentioned how some of the template can't handle energies that always provide two (specifically Dark Metal Energy) in decklists and setlists. I thought I'd mention that. MaverickNate 22:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Over Water

So, here I am, helping, with whatever I can. :D

Twelve card pages in total use みずかけ (mizu-kake). The pages give the official English names as Clamp Splash (1), Flipper Splash (1), and Rain Splash (10 times). However on the pages the Japanese name is translated consistently as "Over Water".
This is a mistranslation, likely from that kakeru is a word akin to the English 'do', and can mean almost anything in context, including 'to set atop'... as well as things as far apart as 'to argue', 'to multiply' or 'to apply for insurance'.
However in this case a different meaning is intended for kakeru, as can be seen in the analogue attack for using sand, Sand-Attack, すなかけ (suna-kake). Whatever media it's shown in, it involves flinging sand at the opponent. As such, while mizu-kake hasn't been shown in any visual media, it would likely involve flinging water at the opponent, which is what is reflected in the English translations: they all involve splashing the opponent with something. mizu-kake itself, is a shortening of the expression, mizu o kakeru, to sprinkle/spray/splash/squirt water on something. As you can see from the four translations, a specific meaning is implied through kakeru in this case, to fling water in some fashion.
So, despite some attacks bearing odd names, there is no way that 'Over Water' could be the intended meaning, and it should be replaced by another translation. As for what, I won't attempt to force any translation, but I'd suggest 'Water Splash'. (After all, it's already used on Bulbapedia as a translation for Panpour's species name, which turns out to be... mizu-kake Pokemon).

Hope this helps~. Bluesun (talk) 16:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

This is very helpful. Thank you! I will replace them right away. MaverickNate 16:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Some more points I found looking through Freeze&Flare:
Burn Out's kana is given as ba-nauto, it should be ba-n'auto.
Celebi's Ability is likely 'Time Recall' as opposed to Time Recoil.
Blastoise's ability, bakuryuu, is likely mistranslated, as ryuu can mean '(a water) current' as well as dragon, and that would make more sense. I'd suggest Vast Stream or Wide Stream, but couldn't be sure those translations are correct.
Piloswine's Quintuple Headbutt does too much damage, and Mamoswine's 'Frost Burn' is Frost Stone.
Zebstrika's Nitro Charge has 'nitro' written in hiragana instead of katakana (ニトロ not にとろ).
Golurk's Expert Punch should be Regression Punch (退化 not 大家, makes more sense with the effect).
That's all I could find~. Bluesun (talk) 17:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for all the corrections. I have since fixed them all. MaverickNate 18:48, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

New Userpage Addition

Was wondering if you could please put my new page on the template. Please and thanks! --HoennMaster 20:24, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind, someone else created this. --HoennMaster 20:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Technical Machine TS-1 Edit

I apologize about undoing your previous edit. It looked fine in the page preview, but I guess that doesn't always yield the desired end result. I'll make sure to notify you if I see any problems with any of the TCG pages in the future. --Brendino (talk) 22:57, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Dragons Exalted

For the cards that don't have scans up but have the numbers, should I add them in or wait for the scans? G50 04:08, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

The scans were procured illegally. We will not be updating any of the card information until Saturday, when the cards are supposed to be made available to the public. MaverickNate 04:18, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay. G50 04:19, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Image from 2010

It may seem a bit strange to ask after nearly two years; but where are the Images of the only-GB-Pokémon from? There is at lest one occasion, where there is something strange: Vaporeon (GB1) seems to have other Energy Costs in the Image and the game - an admin from PokéWiki checked to put in the german game-text and found out, that the images Energy Cost is not the same as in the game. --mecanno-manDiscussion 18:56, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Question concerning referencing fan sites, etc.

I do sincerely apologize for not being completely clear on the Bulbapedia policy of referencing fan sites and especially using my site as a reference. But as such, I feel this brings up a question.

Bulbapedia's FAQs state that it's against the rules to copy/steal info, etc from other sites, especially fan sites, as fan sites are not "reliable". You've also made that very clear to me, and I don't argue that. However, a lot of stuff in relevant TCG articles in Bulbapedia have data which came from my fan site, many of which I physically created myself but did NOT personally upload or physically add to Bulbapedia. Now I have absolutely NO problem with it being used here--as I'm glad my work can be enjoyed by others--and I even gave Archaic permission to use it (as stated on my talk page). Furthermore, I realize how extremely unreasonable it would be for me to ask Bulbapedia to remove all material and text that came from my fan site and ban anyone who uploaded it (as per the rules).

However, even with my permission, this data DID come from a fan site, and there is no official sources which can be cited. As such, I think it is at least reasonable to cite where the data came from, at least in lieu of an official source, AND especially considering that enough admins felt that it was reliable enough. But that's the thing, the rules aren't clear about what should be done in a situation like this (as it only states that info is not to be copied or stolen), and that it's the rules that matter most.

I just want to be a rule-abiding contributor to Bulbapedia, that's all. I don't want to be a dick, I don't want to make waves, and I don't want to create trouble or drama. I just want to make sure I have a clear idea of what the rules are, AND that they're being fairly applied, especially to me, just so this kind of this won't happen again. As such, I appreciate any and all help you can give me to help me understand the rules, and I will be more than happy to accept the word of God from the Admins, especially Archaic. Thank you for your time! -- Nick15 (talk) 22:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

You're frustration is understandable, as many of Bulbapedia's rules and policies aren't exactly up to date and as effective as one would hope. This is why it is so difficult to explain the do's and don'ts of a situation such as this.
There are a lot of things we have to look at. Not everything you explained here is completely truthful, and there are a lot of items we must consider here. Firstly, your "permission" you gave Archaic was made in April 2005, before there were even 200 users. You began adding things on your own accord 3 months earlier, which were many of the things you were attempting to reference a few days ago. Even after you gave permission, you continued making pages, such as Water, Base Set 2, and Gym Heroes. This was long long before we've tightened up any sort of rules for referencing here (even though they still need to be expanded and more concrete): it was over 7 years ago. Additionally, a lot of the information has lasted that long--meaning it has been long verified for some time now. Any false information would have been removed. Also, as the TCG has been so continuous and consistent, it is difficult to spend to necessary time extensively researching each set in order to verify everything that was written all those long years ago. Earlier sets are certainly in need of thorough fact checking. The current policies on not using information from other fansites, as they could be unreliable, is a rule that has Grandfathered many pre existing situations. Certainly, with about 22 thousand pages, not everything can be brought to a current standard right away. Many things will take time to bring up to code.
As you were the one adding much of the information from your fansite, there is not much that can be done in terms of sourcing it. If it was someone else who added the information, this would be a different story, but as it was you willingly doing it yourself, the information came from the contributor, Nick15, and not from any other website. MaverickNate 03:19, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Ah, OK, I see what you mean about me sourcing info which I already added myself. Bare minimum, it's redundant, seeing as I've already been credited as the person who wrote it. Furthermore, even if I wanted to be a complete ass and request that any material pulled from my site has been "stolen" and thus request that it be removed, I know I can't do anything about that which I've added myself (seeing as I've willingly released it as per Creative Commons license, plus I would be making the rather dubious claim that I stole from myself).
But you mentioned "[if] it was someone else who added the information, this would be a different story"; there are several things that did come from my site which I did NOT add to Bulbapedia. For example, the logo for the Team Rocket set which I designed from scratch AND had a "Made from PA!" watermark on it which had been stripped by (I assume) the person who uploaded it. Therefore, even though I gave my permission to use this material--as in, with the "copy/stolen" rule in mind, I won't claim it was "copied/stolen"--is still was "someone else who added the information". In that case, what do you suggest should happen? I personally suggest a simple "this thing came from here" link, but obviously I'll have to leave it up to you to make the final decision.
  • A second question then; you mention info that remains being verified... how does the verification process work? That is to say, there are bits that exist in the TCG articles which came from my site (whether I or someone else added it) which I based on my own personal experiences. Of course personal experiences may fly for a fan site, but not on a wiki. As such, is info verified through other person's experiences, or from other (fan?) websites which existed at the time (say, UPNetwork or Bulbagarden.com's archives)? Or is it just because--as you mentioned--the wiki is just too huge that it's hard to ensure 100% accuracy, and thus no one has gotten around to actually removing ALL unverified info? In that case, if it is established that there is no way to verify info outside of archives of fan sites from the time, is it to be ultimately removed?
  • Finally, you brought up something which in turn reminded me of something that I asked Archaic about. Some time ago I emailed him asking what it would take to help write style guides for Bulbapedia (at least the TCG section), and he asked me to--among other things--talk to you about this. As such, because you mentioned that (the TCG) articles aren't completely "up to code", may I offer my services to help with writing the "code" that the TCG articles should be up to, as I understand that they themselves aren't up to date? Please let me know if this is something you could use; I went to school for technical writing and thus I would like to be useful to Bulbapedia in any way I can. (As in, I want my present actions to denote my current value, and not to rely on my past actions to do so.)
In any case, I once again appreciate your time and patience on this matter! -- Nick15 (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


Right, I've uploaded an updated template that more closely matches the current TCGTrainerCardInfobox. It can be found here. Let me know if there is anything that may want changing or added. I'll also look at adding the Plasma graphic you mentioned. Should the same graphic still appear in the TCGNote template even if it is appearing in the infoboxes? ~~nuva-kal 11:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I've put in the Plasma box in the Energy template. This works fine with the Trainer and Pokémon card infoboxes, the latter appearing between the name and Energy symbol, but I haven't added them yet. Adding Plasma to the Trainer card infobox will also require another parameter since there are at least Item and Supporter cards that belong to them. ~~nuva-kal 14:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't the Plasma Frigate Stadium also belong to Plasma? Sorry I stopped updating news. It was just becoming super stressful for me, and it is so much easier and more fun to just update the wiki than also constantly search for news all over the place.
The Energy Infobox looks pretty good. I'd love to see it in action before it is implemented. Can you also make an Energy Card Effect Template? One that looks similar to the Trainer one. I'm scared of updating the Energy Cards...there is so much research necessary in order to do them, and that isn't quite the challenge I am able to take on right now. MaverickNate 18:22, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
You and me both. Plus if you wanted to go down the route of naming the Basic Energy cards like Trainers, there will be so many redirects involved. Also, with the Plasma box, should it still appear in the TCGNote template even if it is appearing in the infoboxes? ~~nuva-kal 18:45, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't hurt.... MaverickNate 18:48, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I've uploaded some examples here. ~~nuva-kal 19:00, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Do you ever get tired to adding things to your mainspacable list?

Well too bad, because I have a few more for you. – Chosen of Mana 17:29, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Is there anything in particular that the first of those still needs? If not, move it. Werdnae (talk) 19:42, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
I wouldn't say so. Thanks for the OK. - Chosen of Mana 21:50, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


No offense, but I don't really appreciate you telling me what a Japanese word can and cannot mean.

In any case, it's supposed to be "first" because of the elongated vowel sound - "fast" would be ファスト, not ファースト.

So I've made my case, would you mind explaining the specific reasons for using "fast"? 梅子 21:55, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll e-mail you about it. Unless you jump on AIM so that we can talk privately. MaverickNate 22:19, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

#Switch Help

Well, I've been trying to add a switch to this in my sandbox, so it can display 1 2 or 3 images, but I haven't ever done one before and I can't seem to get it to work. I've seen you edit a few templates and I'm wondering if you could help me with this at all, Thanks.--×Rsrdaman× 02:58, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

You're trying to get multiple outcomes from each switch. You can only get one of the outcomes each time you have a {{#switch:}} Also, any pipes (|) inside the switch need to be replaced with {{!}}, otherwise they are inidcating the next outcome. I'd recommend you try doing it with an {{#ifexpr:}} rather than a switch. Something along the lines of {{#ifexpr: {{fimagen|1}} < 2|display:none;}} inside the style tag in the cell formatting. That'll mean that the cell isn't displayed if the number of images is less than 2. Werdnae (talk) 07:51, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I added {{#ifexpr: {{{fimagen|1}}} < 2|| (Cell formatting)}}, but when I test it on the talk page it just acts if its just text. can you see if I missed anything?--×Rsrdaman× 22:53, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
You're putting it in the cell contents. You need to put it just inside the existing style=" tags. Werdnae (talk) 23:22, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Like instead of {{#ifexpr: {{{fimagen|1}}} < 2||! style="background: ... put ! style= {{#ifexpr: {{{fimagen|1}}} < 2||"background: #{{{{{disptype1... ? --×Rsrdaman× 01:46, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
The opening quote needs to be before the {{#ifeq, but yes. It needs to be done like I did it here. Werdnae (talk) 03:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Alright, I figured it out. Thanks for the help Werd, I appreciate it.--×Rsrdaman× 22:37, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Boundaries Crossed

I got a bunch of cards at prerelease today, and I can start filling in the card list/moving pages/filling in English flavor text... But where would you like me to start? 梅子 23:14, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I have the boxes and card lists for the two theme decks (IceShock & ColdFire) that I would like to enter, could you create the pages or give me the permission to create them? Pyrokld (talk) 04:15, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I have them as well. Sorry I haven't gotten back to you about this. I'll finish them on my own, since you are a newer user and Bulbapedia has a system in place where newer users can't create pages. In order to, you'll have to either make more edits or be here a little bit longer. You haven't fulfilled one of these requirements, but once you do, you'll be able to. MaverickNate 19:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
No worries, totally understandable, just thought if you had the time to create them but not enter the lists I could help out. ;-) Pyrokld (talk) 16:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Burger King

Why does Mcdonalds get a TCG page and Burger King doesn't - This also makes it very difficult to find any information on the burger king cards. I believe this because they don't have there own set symbol, if that is so shouldn't we then link it to there own expansion as alternative promotional cards for there respective set. Dracospitfire (talk) 11:20, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


There should be a page with the list of all JUMBO Cards.... I think that would be a great idea. I am new, I hope I am not being to forward.Dracospitfire (talk) 11:20, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree. It just involves a lot of research that is not easy to do at the moment. MaverickNate 15:39, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Project Pokémon

Hi. I was wondering if I could start a project : Project Pokemon. a project that where infomation about pokemon TCG online and stratiges to build strong decks. I play at the local hobbie shop and noticed the lack of data on real life decks and good stratiges to make them strong. That is where Project Pokemon comes in, to make articles about cards, decks, and good stratiges. I know pokemon.com is a sorce but the data is limited and only on like 2-3 card combos which is very sad because pokemon is more than that. please get back to me. It said to ask a staff member and I noticed you are online. do you have the power or know someone I could ask? Thank You! --Eatfish (talk) 19:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

The Pokémon Trading Card Game Online and deck archetypes both fall under the jurisdiction of Project TCG. As there is a lot going on with the TCG at any given time, the online game and many of the deck archetypes of any given format typically fall to the wayside. As the competitive aspect of the trading card game is an continuously expanding and evolving entity, it is extremely difficult to write about. If you want to write pages, go right on ahead, but a project will not be necessary. MaverickNate 21:17, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

ok --Eatfish (talk) 21:20, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

TCG Moves

Why did you revert me? The moves are in the games. 22:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

In order to have a standard, that page goes by the Japanese names of those attacks. The Japanese names show that they are infact not moves from the games. MaverickNate 17:08, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Ah, okay, didn't know that. Apologies. Drake Clawfang (talk) 19:13, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

TrollAndToad Images

Duly noted, sorry about that. exosilver (talk) 01:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: Speculation

Hey, Mav. A while back, you posted on my talk page about undoing one of my contributions to a TCG card's trivia section because it was speculation. Is there some page that explains the fine line between speculation and non-speculation? Like on Dugtrio (Secret Wonders 24), the trivia seems to be speculation based on what you said, but it has been there since 2008. Thanks! --Mathfreak231 (talk) 23:38, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Plasma Freeze list

lol... You had to remove the obvious cards, didn't you? Like, what's wrong with including what we already know as obvious? What's gonna come after Exeggcute? Treecko? Leafeon? Or course is Exeggutor... (facepalm)...Metalizard (talk) 16:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I read your message. Sorry for having been rude before... I understand what you say, I just included those cards because I saw similar situations before and I thought it was okay... As for what I've been doing with other TCG pages, I can say I like to help in the TCG section, correcting small mistakes and updating the lists and all. I would like to do more actually but I haven't touched on some pages that need to be updated simply because I don't know what exact details I should add or remove. (Example: The Secret rares page, in japan the FA are secret rares but in the west they aren't. Do I leave them out of the list or do I also have to include them? And is the table template the same for other pages like the Full Arts page?). If you could tell me specifically what you guys want for each page that needs updating (Retro cards, Owner's Pokémon, etc.), I'll be happy to work on those pages. Also, I would like to suggest the idea of making a page listing all Plasma Pokémon cards. Currently, there's only a category, but I think a page with a list would be nice.Metalizard (talk) 05:28, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Sure, I'd like to do it. It may take a while to update all those pages though. But, from what I noticed on the Item/Supporter/Stdium pages, reprints have their own entry instead of like, one card and all the releases together. Will I have to do it to the Pokémon lists too? I think it's more pratical to just keep one entry for each card and list all its releases together (like the way it is now)...Metalizard (talk) 15:19, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Mainspace template

Got some more stuff to add to the Mainspace template:

Just so others aren't inclined to create some of them (although I don't think they will...) ----samm :) (talk) 12:05, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Mainspaceable userspace

Hi, Nate! I had a quick-ish question for you about the rules of mainspaceable userspace... see, a user posted on Project Globe talk page a while back and showed they started a Pokémon in Australia article at here. I took a look at it recently and it more or less fits the quality standards for the other Project Globe articles for English-speaking countries, provided that Toasted TV and Network Ten get merged in with the anime section, as was the case for other articles like Canada, United Kingdom, and New Zealand. Otherwise it's a fine article and I'd like to see it mainspaced, except when I wrote to the user asking if it was ok to go ahead, they never wrote me back and they've been inactive since 2012!! so my question is, am I allowed to merge with the TV articles and mainspace it anyway, or do I have to wait to hear back from the user. I figured I'd ask you since mainspaceable userspace is kinda your thing. Thanks! --ZestyCactus 22:47, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Just mainspace it. No one is reading it if it is in the userspace. The purpose of my template was to publicize pages that get there anyway. I've never been one to wait for permission when concerning the userspace. MaverickNate 05:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks Nate! I went ahead and moved it over. Also if you don't mind can you add my own work-in-progress page to your template since i'm hoping someone with more expertise can help me out. *__* thanks again~ --ZestyCactus 20:00, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
If you want someone to actually see it and help you out, shouldn't the mainspace be a better place for it? This "grooming" nonsense that people give as a reason why pages "need" to be in the userspace is utter garbage. If you want people to help out, move it to the mainspace and put the appropriate mainspace improvement tags on it. That'd be better than any possible template addition MaverickNate 19:05, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

TCG pages template.

Sorry for only answering now. I've been really busy with something and I wasn't able to answer earlier. But I've been thinking about what you said. Personally, I prefer the current template/method of organization (one entry for each unique card with all its releases listed together...). But that's just my opinion. I think that making an entry for each individual release is kinda unnecessary... On the other hand, the Item/Supporter/Stadium template seems faster to edit. And the pokémon cards are not like the trainer cards which are always being reprinted in decks and all... It's your call. Whatever you decide, I'm fine. Metalizard (talk) 15:10, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Yup, I get what you mean. That's a good ideia. But, just to be clear, tell me if I'm thinking right. From the following pages that need to be updated: "Box Topper", "Owner's Pokémon", "Retro card", and "Delta Species Pokémon"; "Box Topper" and "Retro card" will also use the Item template like the "Secret card" page, while "Owner's Pokémon" and "Delta Species Pokémon" will use the big block template, right? Also, the Retro card page has a column that says "Original Release". Should that be kept? It makes sense to have it but the template would have to be adjusted. Same thing for the Delta Pokémon page. It has a column with the regular type of the Pokémon and another column with the delta type. Wouldn't it be better to just use the type column of the big block template for each card as usual and forget the regular type column? Metalizard (talk) 00:08, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Cards related by illustration

Regarding your edit summaries, which read: "This is not how these sections should be done because the card has nothing to do with the location. the artwork does. The card art is what should be incorporated into these pages" and "However, this is just to correct things temporarily"

Am I right in assuming that this means that you (Head of TCG) do find the information I gathered valuable/worthy of being kept in the articles? In other words, would you like me to stop gathering such information? And what about the changes I made to the card articles? More or less the same questions can be asked for those.

I'll take the liberty of questioning your judgment, in the form of a few points you may wish to consider:

  • In your argument, you're treating a card illustration as separate from the card (print!) it is featured on, when it is in fact an integral, defining part of it.
  • This way of listing cards is already done in other articles (the articles I consulted to see how Bulbapedia would like this to be done), sometimes supported by a "gallery", but not removed in favor of one.
  • Incorporating the card illustrations into the articles would require "creating" (cropping) and uploading many new images just for this purpose.
  • Lists are not only less work (images, as described above) and easier on the eyes (e.g. any of the lists I added compared to the layout of Kanto Gym Leader articles' Artwork sections) than "galleries", but are also more informative, and invite readers to visit Bulbapedia's TCG articles, rather than just look at an image.

To be clear, I'm not at all against incorporating the illustrations into the articles (via "galleries"), but I do find it counterproductive to dismiss card listings in favor of these, due to the advantages described above. If necessary, the listings' wording and/or section titles can be changed to specify that the instances only pertain to card illustrations. Yvnr (talk) 11:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

There are a few questions in the talk page message above that I am waiting for you to answer. Yvnr (talk) 15:11, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I know; I've been wanting to respond, I've just been thinking about the answer. Let me get back to you once Plasma Freeze stuff is done. MaverickNate 16:15, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi, I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong with the redirects. I've fixed redirects on other wikis, is this not done here? Because I was simply linking those pages correctly. -Stars talk 12:19, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I admire your initiative with taking on one of the behind the scenes wiki jobs that people looking for information don't think about. HOWEVER, there are certain guidelines and different practices here at Bulbapedia regarding redirects. For instance, on EP272, there is a link to the Misty's Togepi redirect. This is done because mere linking to Misty's Togetic would contain spoilers in the link, and it would be inaccurate to link to Misty's Togetic, because the Pokémon known as "Misty's Togetic" did not appear in that episode. Thus, we link to the redirect in favor of accuracy.
Now, to the edits in question. The link titled "_____'s Oshawott (Outstanding Oshawott Promo)" represents this specific card's English release, and it is linked that way on all of the pages referencing the card's English release, or the card in general. The link titled "_____'s Oshawott (BW-P Promo)" represents the card's Japanese release, and is linked as such on any page referencing how the card was released in Japan. By changing the link here on this list of Japanese promotional cards, you were implying by means of the link that the English card was released in Japan (which actually does happen in certain circumstances, which is why we need to differentiate), which is definitely not the case with this card. In favor of factual accuracy, we link to redirects. This is also why we link to the Japanese set name in reference to the Japanese expansion and set release.
Linking to redirects in these cases (and probably others...they just don't come to mind right now) is intentional. Now, don't think that every link to a redirect is this way. Many are mistakes and issues; what you are doing is appreciated. Just try your best not to become a mechanical robot when fixing these redirects... keep in mind the bigger picture about why the link may be this way. Hope this helps! And if you have any additional questions, don't hesitate to ask. MaverickNate 15:34, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Plasma Pokemon (TCG)

Thanks. :) I've never contributed to a wiki before and am glad I did something. Is there anyone currently working on a page for Team Plasma Pokemon for the TCG, like how Dark Pokemon have their own page? ShinySephiroth (talk) 23:42, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Mainspace-able user subpages?

I have a question if these could ever be mainspace pages, since I don't want the normal restriction on the things.

So if you put these to be on that top template on this page that would be great. But of course, if you don't, that's fine too.

Pikachu Bros. (talk) 16:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Just so you know, the second page you have is a duplicate of User:Thingamajig257/List of anime episodes by syndicated dub season, which is more detailed. --SnorlaxMonster 08:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
I realize that, which is where I got the idea, but I made it because Pokémon.com has changed their number of episodes for each season, meaning his/hers is outdated. I will make a more detailed one in the future, when I have enough time to. Pikachu Bros. (talk) 13:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

File Extension "Problems"

Yeah, sure, I'll change them to .jpg, oh holy master. Sorry about caring about lossless files and transparency, seeing as this site is so picky about such things elsewhere. exosilver (talk) 21:17, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about the problems with you and Magnedeth regarding my "behavior". I'll work on reverting the edits and uploading my scans in .jpg format. exosilver (talk) 18:13, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Some notes to improve your editing

Yeah, I noticed the same things as well. However, since the whole page was done without that link template, I though I'd keep up with the same and let someone else correct it. Sorry. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:55, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Owner's Pokémon page

Hi. As you probably already noticed, I've updated the Delta Species pokémon page and the Shining Pokémon page. Now I plan to update the Owner's Pokémon page, which is the last one that's missing the big block template. I have two questions though:

  • First, can I switch the order of some owner's to list them in a proper chronological order? For example, Ash's and May's Pokémon are listed after Holon's Pokémon when they should be listed before. And after those two, the owner's of the movie 5 VS deck are listed when they should be listed after Pokémon VS owner's... May I correct that? Other examples include Crystal Tower's Entei, Imakuni?'s Pokémon and Blank owner's Pokémon. I was thinking about leaving only the Blank Owner's Pokémon in the end of the page, and move the aforementioned ones to their respective chronological position. May I do it that way?
  • Second question: Do I do a table for each owner like it is shown in the current page, or can I put everything in the same table and simply divide each owner's pokémon.

EDIT: Actually, never mind, I've been thinking about it and I think a table for each owner is the better solution... I also thought each table could have a set color instead of always changing the color (meaning, Brock's table always have the Fighting color instead of "Rainbow"). Of course, those who don't focus on a specific type, would keep the "Rainbow" code... What do you think? Metalizard (talk) 22:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, yes. Separate tables. Good idea. As for the order, yeah, feel free to correct it into chronological order. I think that's one of the leftover pages of "this doesn't exist. Let's get something set up!" instead of the idea now that things should be done well the first time. I haven't touched that page with the intent of improving it in a long time. Just to make simple fixes to whatever other problems I was workign on at the time, like categories or redircet links. MaverickNate 16:48, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
btw, it only occurred to me now... Are Pokémon SP and Plasma Pokémon supposed to be included in the Owner's Pokémon page? Metalizard (talk) 23:58, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Series naming conventions

Hey, man. I'm getting up to the Neo Series for the Theme Decks. Just wondering what the best prefix would be for the images. I've just done 'E<number>' for the e Series, and plan to do 'LC1' for Legendary Collection. Do you think 'Neo<number>' and 'Original<number>' would suffice for the first two Series?~~nuva-kal 14:47, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Everything else is abbreviated prefixes with all caps. Wouldn't it be better to do something like "O" and maybe "N" or "NEO"? MaverickNate 15:59, 17 May 2013 (UTC)