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  • Add Leafeon and Umbreon already, so Eevee evolve into Leafeon by Leaf Stone, Umbreon by Moon Stone and Espeon by Sun Stone. Eevee should be also evolve into glaceon using a ice evolution stone (Snow Stone?)
  • EVERY egg must be different, so you can see which egg came from which pokémon
  • Light, Magic, Cosmos (space) and Time types should be added (Jirachi, Deoxys and Palkia can get Cosmos instead of Psychic or Water, Dialga get then time)
  • Pokémon must get more then 2 types
  • Flying Pokémon should ONLY to be Flying types, without the Normal-type
  • Fossil Pokémon in Gen I must NOT start at Level 5

Arend well..

  • Eeveelutions were added as time passed, you cant really go back in time and add them.
  • the games doesnt have enough memory for THAT many eggs!
  • new types are rather pointless if only they had them]
  • 2 types is fine
  • i already have pure Flying-type on there
  • why not lvl 5?

i know i sound mean, but i appreciate the comments MAGNEDETH 00:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Because it's too weak. Level 20 is lotsa better. Arend

I don't know about Magic, cosmos, or time, but I do think light needs to be a type, for a couple of reasons.
  • SolarBeam, Sunny Day, Moonlight, Flash, and Aurora Beam have more to do with light than there given types
  • Ampharos& its line and chinchou& its line have more to do with light than electricity

Does anyone else know what I'm trying to say? Dolphins_are_awesome (and Vulpix are too)! 18:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I personally think fossils should have random levels, like that of fishing. Glinn 12:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

hows about Fossils start at Lvl 1 like babies? MAGNEDETH 00:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, but when they were fossilised, why would they all be the same level? Glinn 01:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

well, they arent exactly de-fossilizing the pokemon. they are extracting the DNA and making one. (cloning i guess) so its not the same one, like a baby. MAGNEDETH 01:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, good page, however, can you put down that LUXRAY should be part Dark-type as well in Generation IV? It's the end of the work because it isn't 8D Also Wonderguad should mean that Pokémon with it are NOT affected be Weather Effects and/or Status Ailments. TESHIGIGAS RAWR!! 23:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Excellent ideas! im def going to add them. MAGNEDETH 23:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I think Wonderguard should allow Status Ailements to affect it, it should be that ANY move (that doesn't affect the Pokémon anyway) shouldn't affect that Pokémon. Basically Poison type attacks do not work on Shedinja, not even status moves of that type. TESHIGIGAS RAWR!! 21:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

im not exacly following you, so, Toxic wouldnt work, but if somone used Poison Sting, it wouldnt do damage, but it would Poison Shedinja? MAGNEDETH 21:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Wonder Guard should be left alone. Hackers who slp it on a Sableye or Spiritomb are enough of a pain already, they don't need more ways to avoid taking damage. Diachronos 18:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

How about a Sandstorm Ground-type Castform? It has a Weather Ball variation, but no Castform! Shouldn't that be included?--The Man With the Broken Diamond 17:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

makes sense to me! -- MAGNEDETH 16:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
What about Shadow Sky and Fog Castform? I seem to like that idea. ht14 17:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm for a Sandstorm form (Rock, though, since Sandstorm turns Weather Ball into a Rock-type attack), but not Fog or Shadow Sky. Making a Fog form would mean that you'd need a move that can make it foggy (what type would it be, anyway?), and Shadow Sky would have to turn it into a Shadow Pokémon (technically making it a ???-type) for it to make sense. Diachronos 18:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I think HT14 meant shadow AND sky as 2 things apart. And I don't see a point of a sky type. But they could make a fog since they have Defog. It could raise the user's evasiveness. It could be a Flying-type, too. And maybe moves that get rid of things like rain instead of maybe cancelling one and starting another, and maybe it needed to be rain for Cherrim to bloom instead of sun. Missingyes

No. Shadow Sky is a move... ht14 23:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
seems like a lot of text and effort for a Pokemon that sucks. -- MAGNEDETH 03:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Regigigas would have Clear Body just like the other Regis do Pokemon94 03:30, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


Maybe the story would be set in the future, afte the events of the games--493C 491 Is426for Cookie473 14:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

um, that doesnt make sence. the page refers to the games themselves. i also added things about "future" games. MAGNEDETH 19:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused by what you meant by Hoenn being connected to Kanto and Johto in some way. Do you mean that Hoenn would have been on the continent of Kanto and Johto? (If so, it wouldn't be an island, as it is now, modeled after Japan) Or do you mean that it be connected in the way that you could be able to somehow go back and visit Kanto and Johto like you could, in actuality, go back to Kanto from Johto in Gold and Silver? Bulbapedian 03:10, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

yes. basically have the ability to re-visit a past location. as of right now, Johto is basically a "lost location" only known to some people as "that other place". -- MAGNEDETH 03:17, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


Possibly an ok idea, but I don't understand that in Gen IV, when battling in the wild in hail, it says, "It started to hail!" or something like that. It's already shown to hail...meanwhile, in Gen III, it says for battling in the rain, "It is raining." Just don't get that... ht14 20:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

thats just Nintendo being inconsistent is all. -- MAGNEDETH 20:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


Curse would be a Ghost-type move instead of ???. KPF05:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Added - i was thinking the same thing earlier today. MAGNEDETH 05:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Gen II would have Lv. 1 hatchlings.--Pokencyclopedia 12:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Added - excellent, i didnt even think about that. but i made a note that babies should be available in Gen I. MAGNEDETH 00:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah. It makes no sense to have newly hatched Pokémon to be at Lv. 5 when there are wild Pokémon that are as low as Lv 2.--Pokencyclopedia 03:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Hidden Power'd be ???-type instead of Normal. After all, you can't get a Normal HP. ティナ281 00:35, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

well, i was hoping to delete the ???-type. so hows about the ability to have a Normal-type HP? MAGNEDETH 01:15, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

moves could have two types like Muddy Water would be Water/Ground and so on... KPF 02:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

i was thinking about that too, but i figured id stay with what nintendo has given us (which is why i shot down the idea of 3 types. that and its just way too much) i was thinking about making my own "Gen 5" page, so, look for that in the future, because the dual type attacks might be a thought. MAGNEDETH 04:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

all past generation cries of Pokémon should be updated to the sort of ones heard in Gen IV. Moldy orange 01:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I can see something wrong with that. The GB doesn't really support as good sound as heard in GenIV, so... yeah. Tina281 01:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
yea, that would be imposible. though, being a frequent Magneton owner, i can say that in Gen 3, his cry was shortened a bit. other pokemon as well. MAGNEDETH 01:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

We should also add Shadow Pokémon and Shadow moves in normal gameplay. That'd be cool. ht14 20:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah Pokemon94 18:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
I think instead of double move types, moves and some Pokémon would have a type mix (like Whiscash and Muddy Water would be Mud-type instead of Water-Ground.) |\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y 3 Z 22:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


Gastly is a poison-type, it's part of the pun in its name: "GAS-tly". Also, Gastly is a ghost that lives in poison gasses, it's born from poison, it lives poison, and IS poison. There's no narrative reason why you should take the poison-type away from this clearly poisonous Pokémon. --Someone Else 10:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

very good point, but, Haunter and Gengar have no metion of poison. also, somthing can be "Ghastly" as in creepy or attrocious. if they never mentioned Gastly's love of toxic gasses, then, there would be no point. MAGNEDETH 23:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I concur, just because his name is Gastly does not mean he has to be poisin493C 491 Is426for Cookie473
Well, the name is a mixture of "ghastly" and "gas". That's the pun, anyway. Haunter and Gengar are Gastly's evolved forms, and they probably do have a like for poison gasses, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence for that anywhere... Though there is an existing Pokémon who loses its poison-type: Bellossom. Hm...
Or how about don't change the type, but give the Gastly line some good Ghost type moves other than Lick.

Also, I've got a new suggestion: Magneton and Haunter's cries should never have changed from Gen II to Gen III. I loved Magneton's cry in RBY and GSC. They ruined it, some of the bleeps are missing. Haunter also had some beeps in its cry. --Someone Else 01:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

yea, i know. Haunters is now just a low grumble, and Magneton (which you obviously know I know all about) went from roughly 6 beeps to 2 or 3. its rather annoying because i liked the beeps myself (though, Magnemite still trumps it with 1) but i dont think they "changed" their cries, i think they were actually just altered from a transition of generations. upgraded audio equipment makes them higher quality, but cuts out some of the sharp sounds, like high pitched beeps. i could be wrong, so, dont take that as 100% fact. MAGNEDETH 01:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I have another suggestion. When you say all Normal/Flying should be changed to pure Flying: I agree, except that Togetic and Togekiss should retain their Normal-type. It makes sense, right? --Someone Else 03:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
yup. i was going to add it, but i decided not to. i guess i will though. MAGNEDETH 03:09, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, new idea

The counter Pokétch app shouldn't be so useless. Instead, it should have both a + and a - button, and a reset button... and it wouldn't reset when switching apps. I might actually use it, then... --Someone Else 15:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

you make a good point, but, i dont really think the Poketch needs its own mention. i think a majority of its functions are pretty useless. (like the counter) but its not really intuitive to gameplay, so, you know. MAGNEDETH 02:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


What about Flying/Dark?--Kuki 22:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)Kuki

hmmm, no, it makes way more sense to have it part psychic to be honest. -- MAGNEDETH 00:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


I was looking at how Articuno does not get STAB from Sheer Cold, and I realized why, but how about for OHKO and STAB, instead of power increase, how about an increase in accuracy?--Kuki 12:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

actually, Articuno DOES get a STAB from Sheer Cold, its a typo. -- MAGNEDETH 00:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


I don't know if people will think of it as much of a big deal, but Wi-Fi double battle with 2 individuals per side would be awesome. Porygon-Z 23:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

yes, yes it would, WHY DIDNT THEY THINK OF THAT!?!? -- MAGNEDETH 00:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


  • Machop, Machoke, and Machamp would be 100% Male (it just looks wrong having a female Machoke)
  • Empoleon would not be part steel

--penubag 04:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

  • ever seen a female bodybuilder? they do exist, and you dont want to meet one...
  • oops, i meant to add that a while ago.
-- MAGNEDETH 14:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, this just cannot be a female. It just cannot... The voice, the chests, everything... --penubag 02:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

hows about a gender difference? just make them look a bit different? -- MAGNEDETH 04:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Ha, I could go wild. Longer hair, XL red bra, bikini, lipstick, and a sexy voice. --penubag 04:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thats sort of disturbing to be honest... -- MAGNEDETH 16:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Another suggestion: how about faster Surf in Gen IV? It was SO FAST in Gen III... ht14 20:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

in Gen I and II it wasnt overly fast either. -- MAGNEDETH 01:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
But it was so slow in gen. 4... Dolphins_are_awesome (and Vulpix are too)! 13:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

My suggestion:How About Empoleon and/Or Sceptile learn more Special Moves like :Air Slash, Focus Blast, Shadow Ball ,Sludge Bomb ,Earth Power . Also Empoleon Learns Agility By Level Up . Also Infernape Is not A Rip-off of Blaziken. Also Keep Poison-Type Moves be Super Effective against Bug Types Pokemon94 01:28, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Sceptile does learn Focus Blast. And while Empoleon's using Agility to speed up, some ass comes along and kills it with Low Kick. Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links 01:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Low Kick? yea, but, this is more fun. -- MAGNEDETH 01:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Not as fun as this .--Pokemon94 05:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
If Magnezone/Empoleon learned Focus Blast and Agility that would own!! Pokemon94 04:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Empoleon Should be Water/Flying instead of Water/Steel Pokemon94 23:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A FLYING PENGUIN??!!?!?!?!? Did the opening of Madagascar hypnotize you? DANG! Anyway, how about Machop and its evos be Male only? It seems sencable. Or maybe a bikini Shirt and maybe HAIR. And shorts instead of an underwear-looking thing. ----|\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y 3 Z 03:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I like the idea of a Male-only Machop family; maybe throw in a female counterpart (like Tauros and Miltank). Diachronos 07:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon catchability

Some Pokémon could only be found with certain names, because you had to trade with in-game characters to get them (like Farfetch'd, Mr. Mime, and Jynx. In a do-over, they should either be caught in the wild, or given to you by the same in-game characters, so that you don't have to wait until Generation II to get a Farfetch'd which isn't called DUX. Flicky1991 11:03, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

that is true. the problem with Jynx and Mr. Mime is that they dont make any sense in the wild. but, that doesnt mean they shouldnt belong there. after all, they have to come from somewhere. granted, its me Smoochum and Mime Jr. Farfetch's should definitely belong in the wild. im gonna think about this. -- MAGNEDETH 16:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
How about Mr. Mime have a female counterpart, Mrs. Mime, because a female Mr. Mime (Or MISTER Mime) sounds WRONG!!! |\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y 3 Z 22:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The Mr. Mime thing may sound strange for a female, but remember, this was made in Japan first, and the Japanese name does not restrict it to a particular gender. How about a rename instead to Mimey? Da Rammo 08:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


How about the move relearner? It's SO ANNOYING without it... ht14 01:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Remove Incense

Remove those Incenses that are needed for breeding. For example Marill-Azurill, I know in Gen 2 breeding a Marill only got you a maril, but why in Gen 3 not just do over that and say that breeding a Marill gives an Azuril, Gen 2 and 3 arent compatible anyway, so why bother fixing a continuity erorr between them.

Yeah, that would be nice. There's a 1% chance of finding Munchlax, and you evolve and breed, no more munchlax EVA!! unless you get lucky. And it would be nice if you could trade from Gen 2 to 3. They make it so hard to get a Lugia. JUST FIX IT!!!---- |\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y E Z 21:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Rotom Form Types

Big mistake made here, when Rotom posseses an object he should take its type and as it is now in a physical form, lose the Ghost-type, so when it takes over the fridge, it becomes Electric,Ice

--Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

That's a nice idea; it would make for some very interesting Type combos (Fire/Electric sounds pretty exciting to me). Only one problem: Spin Rotom would be part Flying type, which would make its Ability completely useless (not to mention that Electric/Flying is Zapdos' turf). Diachronos 18:07, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
You shouldn't need to mention that...Charizard... ht14 04:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Nature Power

It should be a grass-type, not normal-type, I think.--Kevzo8 07:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Nature Power changes type depending on your location. theres not much of a reason to change it. if anything, with the Gen IV split, we need a Physical Hidden Power, like Secret Power. make that a physical HP.

A couple more ideas...

--Pokencyclopedia 02:41, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

  • yes
  • no/yes
  • no
  • yes
-- MAGNEDETH 01:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Here's a thought:
No-one thought of that... maybe, Hail weakens Fire moves.

|\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y 3 Z 22:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Stats for Pokemon

This is what Lucario,s stats should be

HP: 80
Attack: 130
Defense: 80
Sp.Atk: 135
Sp.Def: 80
Speed: 125
Total: 0

Pokemon94 00:07, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

why? Lucario is fine as it is. -- MAGNEDETH 00:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
HE had his own movie and he seemed to be in the uber-tier .I use a lucario but sadly all of his stats are mediocre . It is like they forgot about his movie and they weaken him instead and gave aura sphere to other pokemon .THOSE BASTARDS!!! Pokemon94 00:48, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
The point they were trying to get across is "You idiots. We won't create an invicible Uber POkmeon that's impossible to beat for you. You want an invincible POkemon, you're fucking up the wrong fanbase". Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links 00:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Not invicible but a bit powerful Pokemon94 01:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
do i think Lucario should be a little more powerful? yes i do, but, i feel his part Steel-type is the biggest "???" about him. i dont get that. -- MAGNEDETH 00:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
HP: maybe; Attack: NO (Lucario's most unique trait is that it has massive Sp. Attack for a Fighting type (and for a Steel type), and a great variety of Special moves); Defense/Sp. Defense: Only 80? Why not a little higher; Sp. Attack: Not against an increase, but it's already good as is; Speed: maybe, it's already decent Diachronos 18:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Woah woah WOAH. 630 Base Stat total for a non-legendary? I still think Lucario looks lore like a Fighting/Dragon than Fighting/Steel... Gywall(Talk) 18:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Maybe that is too much BASE STATS .I think this is RIGHT;
HP: 80
Attack: 120
Defense: 75
Sp.Atk: 125
Sp.Def: 75
Speed: 115
Total: 0

I am sorry when i said bastards. But They made him weak . Also The pokemon Magnezone and Magmortar are way slower than Magneton and Magmar . Also Lucario looked Taller in the movie than in the games Pokemon94 22:19, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I think this what Lucario should have had watch this I vid and read the description . Pokemon94 22:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

wow, thats one of the most retarded videos ive ever seen, thanks. -- MAGNEDETH 22:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Also Rhyperior speed stat shoube be 60 Instead of 40 like Rhydon Pokemon94 23:04, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
When Pokemon evolve their stats do not diminish/reduce Pokemon94 03:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
ORLY? When Weddle evolves into Kakuna, it loses 10 base attack and 15 base speed. The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 01:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Anorith loses almost half its speed in evo to Armaldo. you think a giant rock like that is going to move fast? -- MAGNEDETH 02:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Maybe some Pokemmon that evolve sholud not lose their stat Pokemon94 22:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Well Metagross is heavier than Armaldo but Metagross is faster Pokemon94 19:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


Pokemon orange with the Orange Islands in and loads of challenges like in the anime, there is already a hack out, i think it should be official. --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

yea, i like the idea, but, it doesnt really fit into my page which is simply how to fix old games. -- MAGNEDETH 23:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Party of 7 or 8

A Little Idea 7 or 8 Pokémon should be allowed on a team. Random Chaos 19:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

well, the gem of the series is working with what you got. 6 is plenty. i sometimes make teams with only 5 and add the 6th as an HM slave. -- MAGNEDETH 23:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
well I guess I'm worse than you at this I can find a good enough team with only six. I don't have enough room for a slave. Random Chaos 18:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
if you dont have room, just interlace the HMs. single play Pokemon rarely need all 6 move slots depending on how many types you want cover. -- MAGNEDETH 00:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Eggs shouldn't count as a spot in the Party. Also when you are given Eggs in the gameplay, it is more difficult to handle long battles and when it hatches you have to train them, too. If you were like me I had to train the Riolu I got from Riley. Having 7 or 8 slots is better for all of what I said. Pyles 17:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
This can become a problem though. Ever heard of strategy? Soon, people will be asking for a party of 9 or 10...besides, what I do is that my main battlers do have HM moves here and there, but I deposit and withdraw as to train multiple Pokémon in that sense. Each will have the needed HM(s) for each section. Eventually, I'll use the Move Deleter. ht14 17:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

more hot characters

If you think about it, from a guys point of view, the only good looking one is Dawn. And my cousin Jen said the only good looking guy was Ash. There should be more hot main characters, no more of this ugly bunch, May, Tracey and Brock. --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

.........theres plenty of other animes that arent targeted at a younger audience that have what youre looking for......besides, this page is games only. -- MAGNEDETH 23:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

anime going to game moves

you know in the anime, you can tell your pokemon to dodge the attack and they can dodge it, that should happen.

Also you should be able to use move combos, like they do in the anime.

And, it should no longer be done on a turn basis, it should just be shout the order, pokemon attacks, this would make battles more intense as youve no time for a breather

And also have more than 4 moves, why do pokemon forget moves??? --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

i think youre looking for Final Fantasy.. -- MAGNEDETH 19:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree, moves shouldn't be forgotten. --MiekL94 19:20, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
OH! Being able to DIRECTLY control your Pokémon in battle!!!!!! Diachronos 16:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Learning only 4 moves is insane especially when you consider the necessity of HM moves (including weak ones like Rock smash and useless ones like defog and flash), more moves for pokemon, with the DS whole second screen used for a menu this shouldn't be a problem.D558 05:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Just Realized....

Multiple files. Perfect. ht14 02:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

You deserve an award. Such an obvious idea and no-one said it. I congratulate you. Flicky1991 17:46, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks... ht14 17:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
in theory, a great idea, but due to the immense cataloging of on Pokefile, thats extremely hard to do. -- MAGNEDETH 02:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I know, but look at PBR...then again, it was only made for so much... ht14 19:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
in the grand scheme, PBR is garbage. -- MAGNEDETH 01:56, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Excellent point made. ht14 02:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, an award is something you need. Besides, a Pokéfile doesn't have much to save:
  • Your place
  • Your Pokémon
  • Your Stuff
  • Your Battles

Now, if they could find a way to make that information into a single file, then why not another? And how about an event where you could get a Spiritomb or Sableye that has Wonder Guard once every month given to you by a person in a cave that takes 1 hour to get through? Now that would be cool! And maybe a Pokémon would chase you and if it hits you, the cave collapses and you appear outside? AWESOME!!! |\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y 3 Z 22:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


just thought youd like to know that. -- MAGNEDETH 22:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


Moves. Different animations for Punishment and Conversion(2). ht14 23:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

meh, that seems a little negligible for the article. -- MAGNEDETH 02:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


I think if anything needs redoing, it's evolution methods. There are too many evolution items, it could be so much simpler. A few examples just to show what I mean:

Magby → (Friendship) → Magmar → (Fire Stone) → Magmortar
Elekid → (Friendship) → Electabuzz → (Thunder Stone) → Electivire
Budew → (Friendship) → Roselia → (Leaf Stone) → Roserade
Eevee → (Leaf Stone) → Leafeon

Just a few examples, I could go on forever. Cipher (Talk) 00:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

True, and it makes the game harder for n00bs. --Clarky13 00:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
yes, definitely. but you have to realize, they added the evos late, and if they use simple means, theyd technically be obtainable in previous games. see Mamoswine and Lickilicky. -- MAGNEDETH 02:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, yeah, but if they started over, I'd hope they'd do something like this. Cipher (Talk) 12:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
oh yes, definitely, its just, theres so many evolution disasters right now, i couldnt be bothered to list them. Eevee -> Glaceon = Ice Stone? its just a tough call. -- MAGNEDETH 23:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
An Ice Stone could be good for Snorunt → Froslass too, but it sounds kinda weird, so.. Frost Stone? x3 And Moon Stone + Sun Stone for Eevee → Umbreon and Espeon, respectively. - espeonA 23:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
exactly, but i think some Pokemon, like Magnezone get a free ride, as they should make a level limit to get Zone, say, 40 or something. Magneton is sort of in purgatory now. poor guy. -- MAGNEDETH 00:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok, maybe Ice Rock sounds WEIRD...maybe level up + ice rock And maybe Team Rocket makes an extra appearance in DP like the anime, which I love. And the quote Gotta Catch 'Em All would be said by a person, and We're Blasting Off Again would be said. And after the Sinnoh Dex was completed, you could fight them, and out comes Wobbuffet, Mime Jr., Seviper, Carnivine, and, of course, MEOWTH. |\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y 3 Z 02:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Gender Differences

They should add more than just genders in Gen I. They should have gender differences from the start too!--Pokélova 00:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

How about Spinda doesn't have both Own Tempo and Tangled Feet. That's just wrong. Boosting Speed while confused + no getting confused = #!$&!? |\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y 3 Z 04:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Spinda doesn't have both. They can have one of the two abilities. ~ sol 04:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


Here's a thought; they could have made Unown less useless. I still like Unown, but I would like him considerably more if he was wasn't just a novelty. I know they're for collecting, but what's the point of having 28 of what's essentially the same Pokémon if you can't actually use any of them? Bardock 10:35, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

its true, i wish they were for more that collection, but, thats it really. though, maybe an evolution would suit them well? -- MAGNEDETH 17:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
That'd be cool, although that begs the question; what would they evolve into given that there's 28 of them? On the other hand, I just saw MisterE13's idea for lowercase prevos, and I think that's a brilliant idea. -- Bardock 05:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

They all would Evolve into Omegwn. It looks like Omega Random Chaos Was here


What about making Bounce similar to Hi Jump Kick, with the recoil part if it misses? --PsychicRider 18:08, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

hmm, not a bad idea...let me think about that one. -- MAGNEDETH 18:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Maybe Wonder Guard should have more Pokémon or at least Shedinja wouldn't have SO MANY WEAKNESSES!!! And maybe Curse would have the effect of the Ghost-type and a move called TrainHaunt could be the other type. |\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y 3 Z 03:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


  • Player Sprites should be customizable, with hats, clothes, etc.
  • One party pokémon should be allowed out of ball for increased happiness.
  • Also steel-type attacks should be effective against more than just ice and rock, same with dragon only being effective against itself.

----MiekL94 19:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  • agreed, but, not a concern.
  • agreed, but, not a concern.
  • agreed. but im not sure what. id also like Poison-type to be effective against more.

-- MAGNEDETH 21:52, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

R/S/E Master Ball

Another thing they could do is move the location of the Master Ball out of the Magma/Aqua Hideout, to avoid the problem so many people face by just glossing over it and discover that they are then unable to obtain it due to the hideout being locked after Team Magma/Aqua's defeat. -- Bardock 07:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Fail. Sorry, but that really sucks, and its a flaw in the design of the game. --MiekL94 21:40, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
the fact they hid the Master Ball sucks, but, first off, its just one of the many things that was wrong with RSE, and secondly, it doesnt really carry enough importance for the article. -- MAGNEDETH 21:52, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Just Thought Of It

Feebas is too hard to get. As if getting a Milotic was easy. I will tell you a story, and the links are below. I looked in the Pokédex for Feebas. It was only avalible in the North part of Mt. Coronet. I went there. I traveled around with my three rods. Couldn't find one. I looked up in Bulbapedia. It said only 4 spots were avalible. Kept looking. Nothing. Looked up on Marriland's. Said with Super Rod. Started fishing. Nothing. Kept going. I was about to give up, but, then, BOOM! I saw it. Feebas. It was a boy, too. Level 16. I used a Dusk Ball. But NO! It failed. I was so afraid it would flee. But it used Splash. I was so happy. Used another. IT WAS CAUGHT!!! Yay! I'm so happy! So don't forget, make him easier to catch. And now...

|\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y 3 Z 02:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Big deal... ht14 03:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
agreed. -- MAGNEDETH 03:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, who do you agree with? Cause, Feebas is so hard to get. I also think Milotic should be water/dragon cause, say I just enter the Pokémon League
YOU: I challenge you!
(a while later)
CYNTHIA: Go, Milotic!
MILOTIC: Miiiiloootiiic!
YOU: Awesome! Look at that Dragon Pokémon!
CYNTHIA: No, it's just water type.
YOU: Aawwwwww, now I don't want it!
I mean, really. |\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y 3 Z 01:57, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
That could be said with Charizard and Gyarados as well... ht14 13:17, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree with ht14. Dolphins_are_awesome (and Vulpix are too)! 17:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Charizard.... a Water/Dragon type? (I'm kidding! ...although Fire/Dragon would be awesome...) Diachronos 07:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

It can't be Fire/Dragon. It has wings (Fly, Puffy, Fly!). If it had Levitate (Deja vu?) then it wouldn't have Blaze. And without Blaze, it wouldn't be a normal kind of starter. And then Red/Firered gets junked. And Mismagius should be Ghost/Psychic.---- |\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y E Z 17:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the possibilities of a dual-typed move

I saw an older discussion somewhere up there. Look, it's impossible for a dual-typed move. Pokémon like Geodude would be killed by Lotad. Rock/Ground type squashed by a double-STAB quad effective move. That's, like...40 times the damage. No matter what, your opponent is doomed. Even worse, a normal/rock typed move used on Aggron without STAB. That'd be one SIXTEENTH of the damage. In conclusion, dual-typed moves are a 0.001%. -.- In case I'm wrong. =P ΘρtιmαtumTalk 13:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

im against dual-types moves. -- MAGNEDETH 19:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Me too. Dual-type moves = The game gets very difficult Dusknoir477 23:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


Would it hurt to start Pokémon Diamond, open the Pokédex, scroll to Gastly, and press A? Quote:'It's body is 95% made up of gases' DUDE, ARE YOU A MORON??? DOES MAYLENE HAVE TO KICK YOU IN THE FACE AGAIN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? My name is |\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y 3 Z 17:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

you seriously need to calm down. besides, they said it in Diamond. the Gastly dex data can say anything it wants, especially to make sense with anything in the past. its not like its going to happen anyway. -- MAGNEDETH 20:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
The GASTLY DEX? LOL --GEN1KING 22:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Better typing

  • Lapras should be pure Water
  • Feraligatr should be Water/Dark or Water/Fighting
  • Electivire should be Electric/Fighting
  • The Magby line should be Fire/Posion

--Anangryzapdos 16:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

  • why
  • why
  • that actually makes sense.
  • why
-- MAGNEDETH 22:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Why is Lapras part Ice, I don't know. Same goes for Cloyster. The Magby line is because they're the SMOG Pokémon. Feraligatr eats people, is menacing, and will probably eat stuff. Living stuff. Oh, and Glalie should be Ice/Rock. - unsigned comment from Anangryzapdos (talkcontribs)
I actually agree, Feraligatr should be Water/Dark. It just looks so dark and evil!--ポケモン恋人(離す)(貢献) 07:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


Nidoran ♂ & ♀ would be put together as a gender difference >> and then the National Dex order would be totally f***ed up u_u --InvocK 17:33, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

its a do over, think 4th dimensionally! the National Dex doesnt exist! -- MAGNEDETH 22:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

My suggestions:

  • Improve fire-types. Their movepools should increase (maybe to incorporate Dragon-type attacks, giving fire-types a sort of Boltbeam) and more should be done to make fire-types different from each other: giving Ninetales Psychic attacks, Rapidash Earthquake, etc.
  • Remove the crappier Pokémon. There's little reason for Igglybuff and Cleffa to exist, and who really likes Luvdisc?
  • Type changes: Poison should be SE against Normal, Ground should not be SE against Fire. Also, I disagree with Steel not being weak to Fighting out of balance concerns - it's already such an overpowered defensive type that we need to maintain all of its weaknesses.
  • After the Special split, Tentacruel should've gotten Special Attack instead of Special Defense.

Just my thoughts. MaskedFalcon 00:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Incidentally, this is the wrong place to say it, but the Charizard you put into the Bad Picture template had me laughing for a full minute. MaskedFalcon 00:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't want to talk for MAGNEDETH here, but here's my input.
  • Crappier Pokémon are there so the fully evolved Pokémon aren't there at the start. OR something... made sense in my mind
  • I think the point of Normal is to be a base; not super effective against anything, weak against only 1 thing. Ground > Fire makes sense, but if it's for balance, idk.

The Dark Fiddler - Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2? 00:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

By crappy, I mean Pokémon that are just bad designs, not ones that are useless. I like Rapidash, after all. But that's because it's pretty cool. Luvdisc isn't.

If it were left up to me I'd ax a lot of Pokémon, including most of the 3rd and 4th generation legendaries, but I don't know if MAGNEDETH has the same tastes as me, or whether he wants to delete Pokémon to begin with.

Both of my type changes are for balance purposes. It's the only way my feeble mind could figure out to weaken Ground and buff Poison and Fire. MaskedFalcon 02:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

remove the fighting weakness, but, add a Poison weakness to Steel. cmon, what happens when Acid meets metal? it eats it! -- MAGNEDETH 03:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
That's great! MaskedFalcon 04:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Go outside, build a small fire, and throw a shovelfull of dirt on it. That's why Fire is weak to Ground. Diachronos 07:16, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon types that should have been in my opinion


  • Magmar: Fire/Dragon, Magby remains pure Fire
  • Nidoran, Male and Female: Pure Ground
  • Nidorina, Nidorino, Nidoking, Nidoqueen: All Ground/Dragon
  • Koffing and Weezing: Ghost/Poison instead of pure Poison
  • Horsea and Seadra: Both Water/Dragon
  • Voltorb and Electrode: Both removed and replaced with two Electric/Poison types

GEN 2:

  • Hoothoot: Psychic/Flying
  • Natu and Xatu: Fire/Psychic; have Levitate to cover for Flying
  • Shuckle: Rock/Ghost instead of Bug/Rock (don't ask me why)
  • Lugia: Ice/Flying not Psychic/Flying
  • Bellossom: Grass/Poison instead of pure Grass

GEN 3:

  • Sceptile: Grass/Dragon
  • Trapinch: Ground/Bug
  • Swablu: Dragon/Flying like Altaria
  • Milotic: Water/Dragon, unlike Gyarados
  • Ninjask: Bug/Dark

GEN 4:

  • Lumineon: Water/Psychic
  • Magmortar: Fire/Dragon
  • Electivire: Electric/Ground

Dusknoir477 22:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I've removed those that are already there... ht14 22:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
some of these make sense, but most of them dont. -- MAGNEDETH 23:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh my gosh, only Trapinch and Milotic make sense!---- |\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y E Z 17:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Legendaries

Another thing that annoys me is that whenever a Legendary is seen in a Pokemon film, or is written in a book, its nearly always unique. Like Dialga and Palkia. They could have made it so that in the Rise of Darkrai, several Dialga and Palkia appear. And for goodness sake! There's more than one Darkrai. There's one and the film and a different one in DP104. Yet lots of people think there's only one. And don't get me started on Heatran.

Mewtwo, Arceus, Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf, those five, should be the only unique ones out of all legendaries. - unsigned comment from Dusknoir477 (talkcontribs)

Mewtwo's manmade though... ht14 21:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
sounds like youre best bet would be to send a letter to Nintendo. -- MAGNEDETH 21:53, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

you know what?

Splash needs to be Magikarp's signature move. Speaking of magikarp, can we make it learn tackle a little sooner? And you shouldn't be able to catch evolved pokémon under the lv at which they evolve (click here and read my comment to see why this has to do with Magikarp). Dolphins_are_awesome (and Vulpix are too)! 14:17, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Splash? meh. thats really negligible. underleveled? theres situations where it makes sense actually. it gives the games a slight anime tinge. -- MAGNEDETH 17:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok, maybe i was wrong about splash, but at least make less pokémon learn it. I mean, It's completely useless. OH MY GOSH! We could make splash do something! As for underlvled pokémon, it makes sense for, like, pokémon that evolve from baby pokémon, but, Gyarados? Come on! Dolphins_are_awesome (and Vulpix are too)! 18:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't fix

I love the Mew Glitch! Don't randomly decide on fixing it! --HideInTheDark 12:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Type weaknesses

How about that poison works super effective on water too (that's what I think that should happen), beacuse poison in water kills everything that lives in it, And ice should have more resistances then just ice, because it's lame to only resist yourself. It should resist water or someting like that too. Mijzelffan 16:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

you arent the only one to say the Poison/Water thing. i guess it makes more sense then i thought. and yes, Ice should really resist more. -- MAGNEDETH 17:23, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Flying over Water. Fish hunted by birds. ht14 04:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I totally agree with that and was surprised when I found that that wasn't the case.--RexRacer 04:28, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


The Ralts line being in the Fairy/ Humanshap egg groups Random Chaos 12:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

while that does make complete sense, i dont really feel like delving that deep. im mainly dealing with the battling and story aspects. -- MAGNEDETH 00:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Rats well that is all I got Random Chaos 17:47, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


There should be more variant Dragon-type moves in Generation I. Remember, there was only Dragon Rage... ht14 21:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

yes, absolutely. especially given the insanely uselessness of Dragon Rage. -- MAGNEDETH 00:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


Ditto should be able to do more than just Transform! It could at least have Tackle! I feel sorry for all the trainers who've been stuck in an endless trainer battle because both trainers only have Ditto's left!--I'm Pokelova(Talk) 06:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes but I was thinking pound Random Chaos 01:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Not a bad idea either!--I'm Pokelova(Talk) 19:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Sucks to be those trainers, but that's what you get for using Ditto. Ditto's whole existence is Transform, it can't do more! The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 20:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Ditto sucks. never use it except for breeding. -- MAGNEDETH 21:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Lure Ball

Lure Ball catches water types like in the anime Random Chaos 01:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

doesnt it already do that? -- MAGNEDETH 21:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

No it catches the Pokemon you fish. Which is Dumb. Also Apercons can grow like berries do from gen III on. Random Chaos Was here 17:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

move types

There are some moves whose type has nothing to do with damage. Like, Super Fang for instance. It's Normal-type, but it always does half damage, even on Rock-type opponents! Here's a list of more:

There might be others. Dolphins_are_awesome (and Vulpix are too)! 22:58, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Lame I know but

If id did a do over there would be and evolution between Roselia and Roserade. Random Chaos Was here 13:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Why? Thats not needed and I think we shouldn't go over 2 evolutions for a Pokemon (You know what I mean). What would you do, get rid of Budew?--I'm Pokelova(Talk) 22:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

A few thoughts

These are kinda all over the place, but bear with me

  • Grovyle Sceptile = Grass/Flying (They always seemed like they could fly)
  • Trapinch = Ground/Bug (Its a bug)
  • Gyarados Milotic = Water/Dragon
  • Farfetch'd = Water/Flying (Its a duck)
  • Granbull = Fighting or Normal/Fighting
  • Nosepass Probopass = Steel
  • Torkoal = Fire/Rock
  • Zangoose = Dark/Fighting either order
  • Ramparados = Rock/Fighting or Dark
  • Cranivine = Grass/Poison
  • Dusknoir = Ghost/Steel
  • Prasect Paras would have a better ability so they didn't suck so much
  • Empoleon should stay steel, It makes him so much cooler. A steel penquin, thats awesome
  • Lickitung/Lickilicky would be part Poison or learn more poison moves
  • Porygon(s) should have be steel or something. Its looks metalish
  • Vigoroth should be fighting, but that wouldnt wourk because then it would have to go back to normal because Slakoth isnt very fighting-y
  • I tihnk Flying is a rather lame type. It should be air/wind or something.
  • Doduo and Dodrio cant be flying becuase they happen to be flyightless birds, but they would have to stay becuase they couldn't be normal. So nevermind.
  • Grass needs less weaknesses
  • Bugs should be able to learn Fly
  • Lickitung would have been able to learn lick in Gen I
  • Lick would be a normal move. (Why is licking someone ghost type??)
  • Fix Dark/Ghost so it has a weaknesses

I guess that was a little more than a few, but tell me what you think Flyingemus 20:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


"Mawile would not be a Steel-type"
If Mawile wasn't a steel type, it wouldn't be useful at all. Also, Jirachi shouldn't have been a steel type either. All "steel" means in those cases is that they're resilient, not that they're made of steel. CubeShapedWatermelon 22:08, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, Flygon would be terrible if it was Bug/Ground. It's not a bug! It doesn't need more weaknesses! CubeShapedWatermelon 01:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Here's an idea: Loppuny should have gender differences. CubeShapedWatermelon 01:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

YES!!!! I'm tired of having to face Flint's *cough*gay*cough* Loppuny!!!Evilpichulady 21:06, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Evilpichulady

How about making Loppuny female only? Ruberduck0123 05:22, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


G/S would last and not stop working, and Emerald would actually keep the internal battery working. ---- |\/| | Z Z | |\| G Y E Z 17:54, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

More attacks

I think later genarashions should have alloued more that 4 moevs per Pokémon. There are so many moves and only 24 per team. Random Chaos Was here 17:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

and thats what makes it a very strategy heavy game. its all apart of the fun. though id prefer if HM moves didnt take up a slot if you didnt want them to. -- MAGNEDETH 20:12, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

It makes it anoying if you ask me. Random Chaos Was here 13:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

=Spacial Return

In the 4th gen return and frustration would be physical or special depending on which stat is higher. So a Porygon-Z would fire a pink beam but Snorlax would do as hes does. Eater way there going to beat the bad guys to a pulp. Random Chaos Was here 13:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


I partially disagree with your idea that Bulbasaur should be pure grass-type. I was making my way through Viridian Forest with one, and no Weedle could touch me!!! Mua ha ha!! Just sorta cool that its poison-type, cuz it can't be poisoned.Zzimagination 01:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


Tangrowth should not evolve with ancient Power, or it should not even exist. IT'S NOT A CAVEMAN! Random Chaos Was here 20:30, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

It's spelled Tangrowth. *is disappointed with Random Chaos*--ポケモン恋人(離す)(貢献) 08:13, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Here's an idea!

Remoraid and Octillery are not related in any way. I think it's stupid that a fish evolves into an octopus! Remoraid should have a different evolution and Octillery can just be a loner. Or maybe a pre-evolution for Octillery. Maybe...--ポケモン恋人(離す)(貢献) 08:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

A fiery explosion

Explosion* should be fire type Vespitomb> 08:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

im not saying that doesnt make sense, but Explosion is supposed to be a general, all-purpose move, so relegating it to one type wouldnt really make sense. -- MAGNEDETH 09:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

More Ideas?

Don't know why but I think these should have been done when the games were released:

Wigglytuff generation I sprite not so hideous. O_o
Eevee should have a ghost and steel evelotuions hopefully in the future.
Removal of Traunt ability as it's useless pretty much.
Latias Ability should have been Color Change due to movie 5.
Ghastly family should be Ghost/Dark types.
Charizard should be Fire/Dragon
Purugly not so fat.
Mawhile should be fighting type.
Zangoose should be Normal/Poison.
More than just Shedinja will have Wonder Guard.
Few others I would put down but I forgot them.
One was to make the Water Johto starters Dark/Water for some reason.
ShinyGlaceon 02:58, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Oh yea, just remembered so more things.
In generation 1 they should have fixed it so that it Erika, Koga are not skippable seeing as you can pass them, do the tower and silph co. missions straight away. >_>
Add masked man to the generation II plotline, it'd be more interesting.
ShinyGlaceon 19:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Slight breeding change

The Pokemon egg will have a one in three chance of being what the father is. I think that will make breeding better. :) Random Chaos 22:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Some comments

  • "Nidoran ♂ & ♀ would be put together as a gender difference" - I'm mixed on this point, but I think I'll agree.
  • "Psyduck & Golduck would be Water/Psychic" - I agree completely
  • "Flareon would have better moves" - Definitely.
  • Though I don't agree, when you say "Gyarados would be a Water/Dragon", you mean "Gyarados would be a Water/Dragon with Levitate", right? :P
  • "Mawile would not be a Steel-type" - Steel/Dark sounds fine to me.
  • Gardevoir would be Female only and Kirlia would have major gender differences
  • Glalie would be Male only

I agree about Kirlia's gender differences, but I strongly disagree about the male/female only status for Glalie and Gardevoir unless both genders of Snorunt and Kirlia evolved by the stone or level-up route. Personally, I'd go with stone evolution for Snorunt (evolving into Glalie at level 42? Whose hairbrained idea was that?) and level-up evolution for Kirlia.

Something I've thought that's not on your list, though, is that Raticate should be a Dark type. --Poppy Appletree 22:06, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

i agree to luxray.

i agree. when i was battling volkner (very scared) i made empoleon use rock smash on luxray. i was surprised to see it do nothing. and EVERYONE agrees when it comes to gyarados! it only learns bounce! - unsigned comment from Ethan brendan lucas (talkcontribs)

Some disagreements

I must say that for the most part I like your list of do-overs. Bulbasaur being part-Poison has always bugged me, as does the lack of Psychic-type on Psyduck & Golduck (although, like the lack of Dragon-type on Gyarados, I've always assumed that they were not made Psychic-type because of how broken that type was in Gen I).

On the other hand, I have to disagree with a few of your ideas:

  • "Farfetch'd wouldn't be so useless" - I think this goes against the purpose of Farfetch'd, which I understand is meant to be a Pokémon which is hard to find but ultimately useless. That's all I'll say for now, but we can discuss this further if necessary.
  • "Gyarados would be a Water/Dragon" - I've gotta admit that I'd hate to not be able to take out a Gyarados with an Electric attack. If Gyarados were made Water/Dragon in Gen I then there'd definitely need to be a lot more Dragon-type attacks than just Dragon Rage, otherwise it would be near unstoppable.
  • "Noctowl would be Psychic/Flying" - I like this idea, but I would have to disagree on the grounds that this would break the tradition of Normal/Flying Pokémon appearing at the start of the game! (or in the case of your ideal revisionism, pure-Flying types).
  • "Mawile would not be a Steel-type" - Mawile's Steel typing ties in with its role as a "Deceiver" Pokemon: it may look cute and cuddly, but it's actually made of solid steel. Mawile is Steel-type for the same reason that Sudowoodo is Rock-type.
  • "Bug-type would get more useful attacks" - I agree, but don't forget Ghost and Dragon!
  • I also disagree with the idea of Gen III taking place years after Gen II, and then Gen IV taking place years after Gen III. I could talk about this more in depth, but in short, I will point out that R/S/E and FR/LG are set at the same time and occur in the same generation; the same goes for D/P/P and HG/SS.

Apart from my disagreements, I think it's a great list. I hope you take some of my counterpoints into consideration, but if you disagree then that's no problem. - TIMMY 09:37, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Wonder Guard

Should also note and write down that more Pokemon should have Wonder Guard than just Shedinja. Shedinja should have more than 1 HP, should be able to gain HP as it levels up. Traunt shouldn't be an ability and Slakoth and Slaking would have better abilities. Frozen Fennec 22:20, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Triple type

I've sometimes thought that there should be the possibility of triple typed pokemon, for example:

  • Beedrill: Bug/poison/flying
  • Venomoth: same
  • Butterfree: Bug/Flying/Psychic
  • Gyarados: Water/Dragon/Flying
  • Charizard: Fire/Dragon/Flying
  • Lugia: Psychic/Flying/Water (and maybe a psychic type for ho-oh)

The gameplay implications would be so immense I don't even want to think about it, but for the sake for what makes sense... Grinnz 18:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I dont agree with you. I think if Pokemon had triple types, they would be harder and easier to kill. I would like for them to have more than four moves. -FelipePokeMaster3009 (a lame guy)

Staraptor? and others

  • Why would Staraptor be part dark? because it is grey? Anyways a better idea would be to slightly improve its fighting move-pool and make it Flying fighting. I know the anime dosn't have much bearing here but Ash's Staraptor looked quite good fighting.
  • Why would Ninetales be Ghost?
  • In a theoretical "Do-over" of coarse glitches would be fixed why are they even worth mentioning? If you believe they are then how about mentioning the Phychic and Ghost effectiveness mix up?
  • Nidorans are different enough I think they are fine being completely different species that can breed.
  • Steel is strong enough as it is being weak to fighting is fine.

Things I strongly agree with and/or have input on are:

  • Psyduck line being part psychic, "Psy" is right in Psyducks name.
  • Empoleon being Water/Ice, it's a penguin for Christs sake what makes it steel?
  • Poison-type should be super effective against water (poison/pollution in water screws up an ecosystem quite a bit AND water dosn't have much weaknesses as it is), Poison could also be super effective against normal.
  • If by "avialiable from the start" you also mean that some dark and steel type pokemon could be caught in FireRed/LeafGreen I agree. Also Evolutions like Crobat/Blissy wouldn't be mysteriously and stupidly held back.
  • Overall there should be way less event exclusive pokemon (Darkrai should of been available in normal gameplay)09:02, 13 May 2011 (UTC)D558
this page is old and outdated. unsure if ill bother keeping it. -- MAGNEDETH 20:39, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

OK for gen 5

  • Dewott and Samurott Water/Ice
  • Roggenrola line Rock Ground
  • Haxorus Dragon/Steel
  • Mienshao Fighting/Psychic
  • Braviary Fighting/Flying
  • Archen and Archeops don't have Defeatist

I hope one of these helps. Random Chaos 12:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

i see what youre aiming at, but:
  • Dewott and Samurott would be better off as Water/Fighting (as they are based on samurai)
  • Roggenroll doesnt really need a secondary type
  • Haxorus, maybe
  • Mienshao, maybe. nothing really commands Psychic about it
  • Braviary i prob agree with that
  • Archeops needs Defeatist to balance it. it is extremely powerful and otherwise would dominate
hope that helps. -- MAGNEDETH 21:49, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
  • They have a fighting type starter again.
  • It's to improve the nostalgia there supposed to invoke
  • Please, I think that's the biggest mistake of the gen.
  • Well Mienshao gives of a mystic vibe at least
  • Yay thank you
  • It's supposed to dominate it's a Dinosaur
  • oh and I missed one Beartic Ice/Fighting or Ice/Water

Random Chaos 14:04, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Thoughts 4 Gen 5

  • Shelmet should be Bug/Steel
  • Accelgor could be Bug/Fighting or Bug/Dark
  • As stated before, Dewott and Samurott could be Water/Fighting
    • However it would be weird to have both Emboar and Samurott as Fighting
  • Serperior could have a tad more attack power; I use one and i think Defense is a little weird on a Grass-Type
    • (I should lern tu spe9l t5oo)
  • Frillish's female form should be Water/Psychic. That goes for Jellicent too
  • Three words. Gym. Leader. Rematches.
  • Or ten words. Stunfisk should have an ability to make it Water too.
  • Or twelve words. There should be abilities that basically give a Pokemon a third type.
  • The Icirrus Fan Club should be a bit bigger.
  • My favorite thought - Kirikizan (i do Bisharp's japanese name, bear with me) should be Dark/Fighting and possibly have a third type Steel ability.
  • Vanilluxe would be all female (because it's cute) and Vanillish would have a male evolution - Vanilleath. Vanilla death.
  • Sawsbuck is a buck, he should be all male and there should be some sort of Sawsdoe.
    • Oh deer.
  • Zekrom would be Dragon/Dark. Dragon/Electric is cool and all, but Dragon/Dark makes more sense and we all desperately want someone easier to get than Mr. Hydra here.
  • Deino to Zweilous - LEVEL 35
  • Zweilous to Hydreigon - LEVEL 50
  • Larvesta to Volcarona - LEVEL 50
  • Pawniard to Kirikizan - LEVEL 40
  • This is just to help me sleep better, but CRYOGONAL WOULDN'T BE SO DERPING CREEPY.
  • And finally, Zoroark would be either Psychic/Dark or (our favorite) Ghost/Dark.
    • However, the latter would promote hacked Wonderark.

I know that was a whole derpload of mostly irrelevant stuff, but if you decided to read that, please tell me which ones you may use. EvilKirikizan 02:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Shelmet: I agree
  • Accelgor: Why?
  • Vanilluxe: And Pikachu and Emolga would also be female-only?
  • Sawsbuck: I agree, but that probably doesn't matter too much
  • Zekrom: That doesn't fit with the secondary types of the other members of its trio. Fire/Electric/Ice goes together, but not Fire/Dark/Ice
  • Cryogonal: Maybe it could be part Ghost-type so it has an excuse to be creepy?
  • Zoroark: Why?
And MAGNEDETH, what do you mean by Regigigas not having Slow Start? As you said for Archeops, its ability is there to balance it. Do you also mean to make its stats different as well (maybe 100/150/75/150/75/50)? --Enervation 18:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


There are several evolutions Nintendo should've made. Some are:

  • Ekans-Arbok-Seviper
  • Tauros-Boufolant
  • Pachirisu-Emolga
  • Luvdisc-Alomomola

The list could go on and on. Sure, Generation V had no Pokémon from other generations. Wildgoose December 11, 2011 7:23 ET

Oh, and:
  • Cacnea-Maractus-Cacturne
  • Baltoy-Claydol-Sigiliph
  • Stantler-Deerling-Sawsbuck Wildgoose December 15, 2011 5:13 ET

What is with the Aron line?

If there are any Pokémon in need of edit, it is oviously the Aron line. I just think 3 things need to be changed:

1. Being Rock/Steel, they need to learn Steel type moves by level up.

2. Why they are even Rock types I don't understand. They should be pure Steel type.

3. Agron's name seems to come from Argon. But Argon is a Noble Gas, not a metal. We need a name change.

That would make the Aron line more understandable. Wildgoose December 11, 2011 8:32 ET


What uses does the mic have in Gen 5!use should use it to tell Pokémon to use specially,like Counter Shield or Ash telling Charizard to heat the whole battlefield but use 2 pp of each move used like this. PS-no need add my credit.--Shravs (Nuvema Gym) 16:36, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

One more thing,fire type moves should melt Ice type and make them into water types.--Shravs (Nuvema Gym) 10:21, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
These ideas are ambitious, and impossible. Nor do they follow the theme of the page. -- MAGNEDETH 21:39, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
So umm can psychic not be SE to poison.I mean what the hell?plus all gary's pokemon wanna kill bulba if its officially your starter!--Shravs (Nuvema Gym) 06:08, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


My question is, if they only give shedinja 1 as its Base HP stat (With Wonder Guard, I can understand), what is the point of adding defensive stats at all? Instead of:

HP: 1
Attack: 90
Defense: 45
Sp.Atk: 30
Sp.Def: 30
Speed: 40
Total: 0

It should be something like:

HP: 1
Attack: 88
Defense: 1
Sp.Atk: 63
Sp.Def: 1
Speed: 58
Total: 0

The stats, etc. don't exactly have to be like this, it is just a suggestion. I tried balancing out some of the base pts. I took away without making it too powerful in one stat. 4Jmaster (talk)


I have one here.

During intense sunlight, the chance of a frozen Pokémon thawing every turn should be doubled. Sneaking from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost... Gengarzilla! 18:38, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


How about the idea of Feint have BP of 30 normally, but increased to 50 whenever Protect or Detect is used*, similar to Pursuit? Marked +-+-+ (talk) 08:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)