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::::::If that's true, then: don't. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
::::::If that's true, then: don't. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Then that's exactly my point: you'd care if there were no spaces between sections. Hence my brief string of edits. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:41, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Then that's exactly my point: you'd care if there were no spaces between sections. Hence my brief string of edits. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:41, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Your "point" entirely misses the mark.
::::::::Do. Not. Make. Pointless. Edits. You cannot justify an edit that does not change the page. End of story.
::::::::If you cannot accept this, then I'm far more inclined to believe that a subsequent mistake of this sort should warrant a block. Fair warning. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


== Appearances ==
== Appearances ==

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The Preview Button

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Thanks! --Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:58, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

AmourShipping hint

The last part of the XY059 Ash hint should be left as a sub bullet because it's stating a fact that's not really part of the original hint and going off on a tangent. It flows better that way. Ax3w (talk) 00:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Stop

Please stop messing up the pages. I'm serious. --HoennLove200 (talk) 23:45, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Forme

I noticed that you've made this mistake on both Ash Ketchum and Clemont (anime), so I figured I should explain it to you here instead of hoping you'll read edit summaries.

"Forme" is a very specific official term that we use only for forms that use the term "Forme" in the in-game Pokédex. (These are mostly Legendary and Mythical Pokémon, with a couple of exceptions.) Everything else gets the generic word "form." You can check whether something uses "Forme" on the List of Pokémon with form differences article. If you're referring to Ash-Greninja, you should always use "form", never "Forme." Thanks! Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:40, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Block

Due to your involvement in the edit war with Playerking95, the staff has decided to block you for one week for edit warring. Next time, if you see someone revert your edit, don't revert them back. Discuss it with them and sort it out. After your block , I want you to try and discuss things rather than running for the undo button. Thank you.--ForceFire 16:36, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Edit Warring

Hey there, over the past couple of weeks I've noticed you've been consistently removing similar contributions made by Kittystyler on a variety of pages. As you should know, this is considered edit warring, which is disruptive to the overall editing process on Bulbapedia. If you disagree with the edits that someone else has made, please contact that user on their talk page or discuss the issue on the talk page of the article(s) that the dispute is on. Continuing to edit war after this warning will result in a block. Thank you. --Pokemaster97 23:49, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Giving warnings

Regarding User talk:Kittystyler#Grammar, please understand that you do not have the authority to give someone a "warning" about something. Saying you're "warning" someone of something like you did implies that you have the authority to enforce a punishment if they do not heed you. You do not. Only staff does. Please be careful about your wording in the future. If you're concerned enough, you can always bring an issue to a staff member's attention.

Thank you. Tiddlywinks (talk) 10:03, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

I was just voicing my dissatisfaction. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 16:10, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

"[[the next episode]]" vs "the [[next episode]]"

Out of curiosity, I thought I would ask why you are making these edits to the SMxxx pages, since you seem rather set on it given your edit summary on your reversion of playerking's edit. To me, there seems to be little reason to prefer one over the other. I am merely curious, and I do not think you're doing anything wrong (though please, do try to avoid an edit war if your edits get reverted again for whatever reason). Xolroc (talk) 22:14, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I just prefer it that way. It's an OCD kind of thing. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:59, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
That's called pettiness. Don't change something because you don't like it or it triggers you. It's also such a small detail to go crazy over, "the" shouldn't be within the link unless it's part of the thing you're linking to.--ForceFire 05:04, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
What's wrong with linking "the" also? There's no harm, no foul. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:58, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
I have also seen many other articles that link the "the". SM008, for one. There are others, but I can't remember them all. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:02, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
The reason for this is that the "the" in "the next episode" is a grammatical article to "next episode" and not a part of the next episode as a proper noun. --Raltseye prata med mej 09:53, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Final Warning on Edit Warring

This is becoming a recurring problem for you, if you have a problem with a reversion, discuss it with the user that reverted you, don't just revert them on the spot. And no, before you go "I only reverted once", it doesn't matter. You still chose to revert the edit rather than come to me and talk about it. Your edits were based off petty reasons like "I don't like it". I'm sorry, but we're not going to cater the site for your nitpicky needs. The "the" shouldn't be in the link because it's not part of the context of the link. This will serve as a final warning on edit warring, if you disagree with someone reverting your edits, go to their talk page and discuss it, DO NOT revert them until a consensus is reached. Thank you.--ForceFire 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

:'( GrammarFreak01 (talk) 16:15, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Characters of the day getting history sections

It isn't really necessary to revert someone because of an unexplained edit, such as what happened on Mabel's page. In this case, I explained it here but didn't put it on Mabel's page as I felt it would be redundant. As for CoTD's getting history sections, I removed them because they only appeared in one episode (at most in the main series) and the history section is for characters who appeared in at least two episodes. PattyMan 23:56, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Is there any rule on that? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
I haven't really found where it said so but many edit summaries in the past stated that CoTDs don't get history sections. PattyMan 00:13, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, if there's no precedent, then this so-called rule shouldn't apply, should it? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:15, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
That, I can't say. PattyMan 00:25, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
What in the world do you mean, no precedent, GrammarFreak01? Precedent would be every other page that doesn't have it. It in fact seems that you were the one who added the History sections to the pages linked above. I.e., until your edit, it seems the page's precedent was no History section. And no one else who touched those pages thought a History section was needed. I've also noticed that a significant number of COTD pages that have History sections seem to have been added by you relatively recently. And even then, the great majority of COTD pages still don't have a History section.
FWIW, I'm not really into the anime pages a lot, but your comment makes no sense, GrammarFreak01. Even granting that you may have misspoken, it still contradicts the structure of the majority of COTD pages; the precedent. Honestly, I'm not certain what's most right, but I'm inclined to stand by the pretty clear precedent... It makes reasonable sense. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:54, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Block

Don't think I didn't see these. Just because you didn't hit the undo button or you did and you emptied out the edit summary, doesn't mean you did not revert an edit. I told you not to revert/add back information that you changed and someone else undid, I told you to go to their talk page. But you didn't. I'll go through them one by one. The blurbs are from Pokemon.com and are meant to be unchanged from the source, regardless of punctuation or grammar errors. CoTDs don't get history sections, some do because you added them. Give me a CoTD that has a history section that you did not add, because the majority that I checked were added by you. Lastly, Marina being an idol is just speculation, she could just be plain old modelling, nothing to do with being an idol. Anyway, since you failed to adhere to my final warning above, you have been blocked for a week.--ForceFire 04:49, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Blocked, again

Due to continually reverting edits rather than going to the talk page, you have been blocked for one week, one day per reversion. I have already told you to not revert an edit you disagree with, bring it up to the talk page of the user that reverted you. This is a common problem for you, you don't think to go to the talk page rather than reverting. You always pull the trigger even though you know the consequences. If you continue to make several reversions and ignore the talk page, the penalty will be harsher.--ForceFire 09:16, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Code of conduct

Your recent edits to the talk pages of Kittystyler and Erica124 display signs of aggression. As far as I've noticed your contributions, this is somewhat of a habit you have (including attempting to give warnings), and that simply isn't kosher. Play nice. If you have a problem with another user, take it to a staff member and let them sort it out, don't comment on their talk page if you can't be constructive.

Please familiarize yourself with our code of conduct and make every effort to be polite and respectful in your interactions with other users in the future. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:23, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Well, clearly they aren't listening to our advice, so I think some harder pushing is in order. ;) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:04, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
That's not your place to decide. You can adhere to Tiddlywink's warning or face a block. --Pokemaster97 22:34, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Why? I doubt they're reading their talk pages anyway. If anything, they should be blocked for continuing those awful edits of theirs. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:52, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
May I remind you who got blocked twice for edit warring and not using the talk page? You are walking a very thin line. If you cannot be polite with other users, regardless of how you feel about them, then you will be moved on. This is your final warning on you attitude.--ForceFire 06:12, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Talk Page Comments

Removing talk page comments, including the initial welcome template, is prohibited per Bulbapedia's talk page policy. Please do not remove any comments in the future. If you wish to clean old comments away, you should archive your talk page instead. Thank you! --Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:44, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

:'( GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:02, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring

Please stop edit warring. If you have a problem with policy, take it up with the staff. I don't know who came up with the policies or when or why; I'm just explaining my understanding of them to you. Continually reverting things to get your way does nothing productive. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:35, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Then I would like an explanation from you on that rule, and why there's a separate distinction between Pokémon and human characters. Because it's causing my OCD to act up. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:37, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Like I said: I don't know who came up with it or when or why. Ask the staff. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Well, I can't go to Force Fire. He hasn't responded to another message I've sent him, and he seems barely active recently. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:39, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
There are plenty of other staff members you can talk to listed on the staff page. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:41, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh, I thought Force Fire was the only admin. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:43, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
We hide upcoming appearances of major characters and Pokémon (like Misty or Ash's Bulbasaur) to avoid spoilers for those that (for some reason) aren't aware that they will return. It's fine for unimportant characters or Pokémon.--ForceFire 05:54, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Another point is to prevent users, especially new users, from adding any speculation.--ForceFire 05:56, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Ohhhhh, okay. Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:52, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

TCG pages

I saw you doing these updating pages but please do not do those on TCG pages. There are much more to do in these pages, not only the ones you are editing. We're in the midst of doing these updating on all our TCG pages. By doing those edits that you did, we'll assume they are edited in the requirements. So please leave these TCG pages unedited please. Thanks. — Ruixiang95 08:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Preview

You've been informed once before about the preview button. And you're a habitual enough user that you should really know how to use it well. Instead of editing a page like Ash's Greninja many times for progressive little—or even big—things, if you're planning on continuing to work on the page essentially immediately, just save it all up and do it all in one edit. There's no race, there's no real issue if you just wait to only save once. Please remember to be smart about previewing and saving. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:54, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

It's really hard to follow due to all of that text, even if I use the preview button. I find it better to keep track of my progress by editing a couple of paragraphs at a time. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:57, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Unless you want to help me take care of all the cruft in the article, I don't see what else there is I could do. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:02, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Use your imagination! ^^ Let me give you a suggestion. If you're on a computer, just use a text editor to copy out bits of the text a time and edit those. If you're on a phone or something, then it may be good enough to just throw a bunch of newlines before/after paragraphs that you want to focus on; you can easily remove them later when you're finished with editing that part and move on to the next part.
We'd really appreciate if you limit the number of times you edit the same page in succession. I'm sure it's not all that great a problem. (To be clear: that's more being polite than it is a request. You're not at any dire crossroads or anything at the moment, but it is very much something we want users to follow.) Thanks! Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:05, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Okay. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:06, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Gracidea

This is what the page currently looks like on my screen, so it's perfectly fine. I guessing you've been making these small edits to adjust the page to your computer screen resolution? If so, could you take a screenshot of what the page currently looks like on your computer?--ForceFire 05:50, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't know how to take a screenshot of my computer. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:41, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Windows or Mac? For Windows: Fn + Print Scr then paste onto PAINT. For Mac(book/book Pro): Command+Shift+3 and it will be saved to the desktop. Then upload to imgur — Ruixiang95 06:56, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't have an Imgur account. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:16, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
You don't need an imgur account.--ForceFire 08:03, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Pointless edits

Please avoid pointless edits like this. If you're doing substantial edits to the page, you can feel free to do that at the same time, but don't waste time just editing pages for something that makes absolutely no difference. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:34, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

What are you doing? Please respond to this question (and mine from above), don't just keep removing and re-adding it back, because it appears you are just avoiding the question.--ForceFire 05:07, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Trying to rack up my edit count a little. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:08, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Uh... why? When staff asks you a question, you are expected to comply and answer. Making more pointless edits gets you nowhere and a possible block.--ForceFire 05:11, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Furthermore, when asked to stop doing something, please do not keep doing it. FYI, this is the same type of thing. I'm sure you're smart enough to realize this. Stop making such edits. Thank you. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:13, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
I have OCD when it comes to numbers. I have a personal goal to reach 10,000 edits before the year ends. I try to make sure my edits count, but after sitting in front of a computer for a while, it gets hard for me to find anything that really needs editing so I just resort to my dummy edits. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:14, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Well, my apologies, but it's really important for me to get to 10,000 edits before the year ends and I run out of stuff to do for the day. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:16, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
That's not good enough. If you can't find anything to edit, log off and do something else with your day, come back another day where there probably will be something for you to edit. Don't make small, petty edits for your own selfish goals. Any more pointless, small edits will not be tolerated.--ForceFire 05:17, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
But I don't have much of anything else to do for today... GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:19, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
You're still doing these kinds of edits immediately after the wiki is open to editing again. As previously stated, these kinds of edits are only to be done when there are several other edits to be done to the page. And not deleting the blank only, as you have been doing. Doing these edits just to reach your own personal goal is not a good reason for you to do these edits. — Ruixiang95 10:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Okay, which edits are those? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Ah, shoot. I deeply apologized for my edit above. I didn't check properly and I assumed. I'm sorry. Because I saw one of those edit when you are only clearing away the {{right clear}}, and I assumed you're doing the same thing you did last year. I'm sorry again for not checking properly. — Ruixiang95 10:51, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

No worries. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

This is another example in a new string of pointless edits. Even if the last comment above was mistaken, it should have well reminded you not to make such edits. This is at least the second time you've been warned now. Please don't forget again. There's no reason to make such pointless edits. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Why? There always need to be spaces between sections, right? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Like I said from the start of this section: those edits make absolutely no difference. If this isn't clear, then I'll be even more explicit. Don't make edits that don't change anything about the appearance of the page. That's what it means when we say an edit is "pointless": there's no difference between having done it or not. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
So you won't mind if I remove all the spaces between sections in articles, right? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:25, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
1) I don't have patience for exaggerated argumentation.
2) That's still exactly a pointless edit. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:31, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
No, seriously, I'm asking you that. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
If that's true, then: don't. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Then that's exactly my point: you'd care if there were no spaces between sections. Hence my brief string of edits. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:41, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Your "point" entirely misses the mark.
Do. Not. Make. Pointless. Edits. You cannot justify an edit that does not change the page. End of story.
If you cannot accept this, then I'm far more inclined to believe that a subsequent mistake of this sort should warrant a block. Fair warning. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Appearances

While appearances by image, painting, etc.. aren't notable for the individual species articles since they're not physical appearances, they are fine to be listed on the episode articles.--ForceFire 03:52, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

That would be very misleading, then. Readers would naturally expect those sections to list all physical appearances of Pokémon. It would confuse them if they see the lists also count dolls, paintings, images, etc., etc. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:55, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
That's what the parenthesis are for.--ForceFire 03:58, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
I meant to say section titles. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:00, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
"Appearances" is a vague title. It's not titled "physical appearances". Also, don't edit war. Discuss things first. You definitely know this already.--ForceFire 04:01, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Then I say we title it "physical appearances". Problem solved! :D GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Yeah... no. It's fine the way it is and is definitely not confusing or misleading, you are under the assumption the user's aren't going to read the parenthsesis.--ForceFire 04:05, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
No, I am under the assumption casual readers and new users are going to be confused why we're listing doll, painting, image, etc. appearances yet will not accept such entries in the Pokémon species' main pages. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:06, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Species articles should only list physical appearances, since it's about the species. The episode lists should list all Pokemon that appear in the episode in any way, shape or form (be it image or physical).--ForceFire 04:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
And how are all of these people going to know that? It's kind of why I joined Bulbapedia in the first place; I see things like this and feel they need to be corrected. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:10, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
After reviewing the policy, it seems that only photos of Pokemon counts as appearances, not statues and doll, my mistake. But the whole listing it on episode articles and not species article still stand.--ForceFire 04:29, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
That's good to know, I guess. Still doesn't answer my question on how new people can be cleared up on the same confusion I just had in the future. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:37, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Content changes and removal

Please do not remove or change content without giving a valid reason for doing so, as you did here and with several edits changing "first appeared in" to "debuted". Your edits do not appear to be constructive. MasterBraixen96 (talk) 01:14, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

In regards to the provided diff, it is part of a self-appointed campaign to find and remove so-called "appearances" that I've recently been informed do not count, such as photos, toys, etc. In regards to the edits where I change "first appeared in" to "debuted", I just find it simpler that way. There's no harm in that, right? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:30, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Headers and no content

While I can understand your thinking of "just in case", it has been an unwritten policy on Bulbapedia that a section header is not needed if there is no content. Just in case is not a valid reason to keep something. Go look at other pages and you will see common headers such as trivia, one of the mot common ones, completely missing from many pages because there is nothing to put there. --HoennMaster 04:38, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, I have seen section headers with no content on numerous Pokémon and episode articles. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:40, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
That doesn't mean they need to be there. There is no rule saying they can or can't be there, but if there is no content it is fine to remove them. --HoennMaster 04:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Do you have any idea how much work it'll take for me to remove them all? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
If there is no rule one way or the other, then you don't have to remove them all. Nor do you have to worry about being the one to do it, if it's something you don't want to do. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 04:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Well, clearly no one else has noticed them and I have severe OCD, so it's obviously now my duty. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Please leave the blank sections in episode and species articles alone, leave them there. They're there for consistency. Every other article shouldn't have blank sections, however.--ForceFire 05:20, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification Force Fire. I was unaware of that. --HoennMaster 05:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
I was wondering why they would be there if I was being told they're unnecessary if they're empty. Thank you very much. :) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:25, 8 January 2018 (UTC)