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Re: Sources

(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond) I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. Technickal (talk) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--ForceFire 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.
Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? Technickal (talk) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--ForceFire 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Weird user(s)/vandal?

Alright. So, first this user started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And then created this second account. I'll let you handle it from here. --リックEO (メッセージ) 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--ForceFire 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

My edits

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?Pikablu (talk) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--ForceFire 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.Pikablu (talk) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash, there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was Chespin is the only regional Grass-type starter that Ash hasn't obtained , this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE Pratik_12 Talk 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. - unsigned comment from Pikablu (talkcontribs)

(resetting indent) Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, not a single Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e Chespin Pratik_12 Talk 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.Pikablu (talk) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--ForceFire 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

"Composed is a more musical term"

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as another user was; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it consists of or contains the object. --ForceFire 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

New cast information

Check your e-mail for proof. Technickal (talk) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to add the information.--ForceFire 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in XY085 occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? PattyMan 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--ForceFire 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
It was something done like this by the way. PattyMan 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
That's fine.--ForceFire 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in Pokemon in South Asia Talk page. I think some content could be added to Trivia.Kanhakris16 Dreamtheatre fb page 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Ash Hawlucha personalty

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --SilverioBOMB (talk) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding edit in Route 4


I see that you undid my edit in the Kanto Route 4 page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the Northern direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

Ishu bagaria (talk) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Mt. Moon is part of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--ForceFire 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Just Checking

This kind of edit is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. CycloneGU (talk) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--ForceFire 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Pre-evolution tutor moves

A while ago, I got into a small disagreement with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are here, here, and here. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--Cold (talk) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--ForceFire 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

PkMn pゥぁ ゥぇHijinx

We need to talk about 3 pages. PkMn pゥぁ ゥぇ PkMn (DC) So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁ ゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. Racerjames200 (talk) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey their

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm not on the forums very often.--ForceFire 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either its shows Noibat hatching --SilverioBOMB (talk) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --SilverioBOMB (talk) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--ForceFire 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--SilverioBOMB (talk) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either we are discussing that all its feels like their no point helping out --SilverioBOMB (talk) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Mobile browsers and Ads

Hi Force Fire. After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again. This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month. Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible. They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads. Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up. Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. (Wingeddonkey (talk) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))

Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask Archaic on the forums, or create a thread on the bulbawiki forum. --ForceFire 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Wingeddonkey (talk) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

New Section of Character page

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --SilverioBOMB (talk) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

That rarely ever happens, so no.--ForceFire 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum. Dawn as well--SilverioBOMB (talk) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--ForceFire 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is not needed.--ForceFire 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No.--ForceFire 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

ForceFire i was wondering

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all? We can't add videos i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. Ash's Talonflame already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--ForceFire 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too. Also Trivia for Ash Noibat Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

You're missing my point. Take a look--SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at Ash's Talonflame's page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
Something happening the second time is not notable. Only the first time.
No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--ForceFire 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse? U never answer it Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why? I understand Krookodile powerhouse But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--ForceFire 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums? Please can we chat like right now about it--SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--ForceFire 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me Im really bad at this Please give me user that knows about power? please --SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--ForceFire 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please --SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--SilverioBOMB (talk) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

can u believe it that little guy shapeshift Its like Digimon Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages? Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages- unsigned comment from SilverioFlame (talkcontribs)

I protected them. Standard procedure.--ForceFire 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --Samueljoo (talk) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes... and?--ForceFire 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the same Zygarde before is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --Samueljoo (talk) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--ForceFire 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --Samueljoo (talk) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --SilverioBOMB (talk) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy and i know u know its true ' but im trying my best i want to help i want to learn i want to Pokemon expert i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam i just agreed thats all i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --SilverioBOMB (talk) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Speculation Crackdown?

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. CycloneGU (talk) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--ForceFire 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL CycloneGU (talk) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit requests

Hey, can you edit the Pokémon in South Asia page with the following info?

  • M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
  • Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
  • Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.

Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? Yash Sen 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
  • In the air date box, please add today's date like this 16th September, 2015 besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
  • In the top of the page besides the country flags after In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by Hungama TV, which started airing the original series. The channel also started airing the XY series from May 2015. there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that July 2015 into September 2015 as it debuted today.
  • In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
Please do these and the previous edits too or unlock the page and give us last chance! Yash Sen 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes? Is there any problem with these edit requests? Yash Sen 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --Yash Sen 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --Yash Sen 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Pokémon world in relation to the real world

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --ForceFire 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
It still doesn't actually mention the country.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--ForceFire 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a common name, so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is not a common name and could only refer to nothing but the country.--ForceFire 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
The country is referenced, therefore it is mentioned. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is mentioned. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country is not an assumption, because like I said, what else could it be referring to?--ForceFire 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city and a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--ForceFire 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after Mount Kenya. Kenya is also a commune in the city Lubumbashi. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--ForceFire 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it certainly isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing but the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my responseRatchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Because people would most likely know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--ForceFire 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would "most likely' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" not "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. England is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--ForceFire 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.- unsigned comment from Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talkcontribs)
Put it this way: if wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may objectively consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If no one has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly obscure or of low significance.) By contrast, both wp:Mount Kenya and wp:Kenya have tens of thousands of bytes.
You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will most likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is most certainly not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --ForceFire 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya only mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. ChE clarinetist (talk) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, but the country is the first thing that comes to mind.--ForceFire 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Super Mystery Dungeon

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). Eridanus (talk) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Admin edit request

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect Ash's father to Ash Ketchum#father? I made a request on the article's talk page a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks レシイラムtalk 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--ForceFire 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that Ash's father is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to Ash Ketchum, then I'll remove the HTML tags. レシイラムtalk 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Move protection on XY091

Does this need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - PokémonGamer (talk) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Sealed Ruin/s

Hello can you move Sealed Ruins to its correct name Sealed Ruin, please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --Raltseye (talk) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

The reason is that Sealed Ruin has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. CycloneGU (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --Raltseye (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Something went horribly wrong there... --Raltseye (talk) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--ForceFire 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a hundred :) --Raltseye (talk) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
The page history seems to be missing. CycloneGU (talk) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Heh, forgot 'bout that.--ForceFire 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
NOW it looks good. =) CycloneGU (talk) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --SilverioBOMB (talk) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. ChE clarinetist (talk) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

oh so no good then --SilverioBOMB (talk) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Clemont Bunnelby personality

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--ForceFire 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). CycloneGU (talk) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type can someone tell me what they think --SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--ForceFire 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as this Meowth, should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. CycloneGU (talk) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--ForceFire 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
The question though is that's only available in My Pokémon Ranch and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. CycloneGU (talk) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--ForceFire 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". Lady Ariel 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto My Pokémon Ranch, they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the Battle Revolution Pikachu or the Colosseum one from the bonus disc; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. CycloneGU (talk) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? CycloneGU (talk) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like Pokémon Bank Celebi are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with SnorlaxMonster to see if we ever elaborated on that). Lady Ariel 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. CycloneGU (talk) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent)After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--ForceFire 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

The Underground and the Mystery Zone

SatoMew2 has added a Mystery Zone section to The Underground, believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, nothing but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for the location, but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I have tried to discuss it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the void. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
This sums up my POV.サトミュウ (SatoMew) 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the actual Underground (i.e., actuall/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between The Underground and the Mystery Zone really needs to be discussed, it belongs at Mystery Zone (where bugs and quirks are explicitly at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, Lumiose City's save bug or perhaps glitches associated with Cinnabar Island—and both of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very deliberately to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in The Underground#Mystery Zone become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to The Underground simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be all of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--ForceFire 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. サトミュウ (SatoMew) 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, unintended by definition, does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. サトミュウ (SatoMew) 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of The Underground. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--ForceFire 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Ash Greniniga

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--SilverioBOMB (talk) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--SilverioBOMB (talk) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--ForceFire 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --SilverioBOMB (talk) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--ForceFire 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Deleted Page

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it.