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Re: Sources

(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond) I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. Technickal (talk) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--ForceFire 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.
Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? Technickal (talk) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--ForceFire 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Weird user(s)/vandal?

Alright. So, first this user started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And then created this second account. I'll let you handle it from here. --リックEO (メッセージ) 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--ForceFire 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

My edits

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?Pikablu (talk) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--ForceFire 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.Pikablu (talk) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash, there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was Chespin is the only regional Grass-type starter that Ash hasn't obtained , this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE Pratik_12 Talk 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. - unsigned comment from Pikablu (talkcontribs)

(resetting indent) Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, not a single Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e Chespin Pratik_12 Talk 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.Pikablu (talk) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--ForceFire 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

"Composed is a more musical term"

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as another user was; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it consists of or contains the object. --ForceFire 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Why not use "consists of", "contains" "made of" etc because it is more precise than "comprised of".Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
If you want to, go ahead. I always use "consists of" to stray away from the "comprised of" debate, but I am still on the opinion that "comprised of" is not grammatically incorrect.--ForceFire 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
For whatever it's worth, I'd be cautious about okaying something like that. Effectively, it's a green light to change something (across the board) that's considered okay just because one person thinks something else is better. If it's okay for anyone/everyone to do that, then we could easily end up with many people making many edits just to change things to their own liking, when it was already fine.
In a situation like this, at best, I'd say that this is a case of "If you come across it in the course of something else, feel free; but don't edit a page just to change that one thing". Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Precisely. If you're changing it to change the whole sentence or what not, fine. But if you're changing it because someone somewhere thinks it's incorrect, then that's a different issue entirely.--ForceFire 04:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry for late reply I was away for a while. Tiddlywinks although it is true that something should not be changed just because one person has an issue with it, with the "comprised of" issue I would say it's different because I'm not the only person who has an issue with it. ShinyGiratina has shown that he/she has an issue with it and after doing a web search the top results are to do with the issue surrounding "comprised of". If someone does have an issue with grammar and a consensus is reached I don't see what would be wrong with making changes.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 19:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
There's not a consensus. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
I never meant it in that way, I was saying that if any users have issues with grammar on this site then we could possibly come to a consensus.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
No consensus was ever reached for you to make those changes. If someone has an issue with something that involve numerous pages, it must be discussed first which you seem to finally understand.--ForceFire 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes true but I truly believe that the instance on "Mewtwo (original series)" should be changed from "a team comprised of Team Rocket..." to "a team of Team Rocket..." because the word "comprised" is completely redundant. The Lilycove Museum page also unnecessarily uses "comprised of" and a word like "features" could be much better because it would avoid the debate.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 18:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Or just leave it be. If you're going to change the whole sentence (and in turn take out "comprised of") that's fine, but if you just want to solely take "comprised of" out that's where the problem lies. Because there's no reason to change it and the edit is just based off the opinion of one person.--ForceFire 04:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
It's not just the opinion of one person if you do a web search for "comprised of" you will see that many people state that they have an issue with the term. The users Snorlaxmonster and ShinyGiratina have changed "comprised of" so they probably have an issue with the term. If anything if "comprised of" is changed it would avoid the issue and it won't make the pages any worse so why is there an issue with just changing "comprised of"? If someone does why would it be right to revert edits as it is a small change and as I mentioned it won't make anything worse.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent) The problem still arises that there are only a select few users on Bulbapedia that feel that "comprised of" is incorrect, and the ones I have seen posting about it are entirely focused on using only the definition of "comprised" to argue their point. What you (collectively) fail to realize is that when you use a word as part of a phrase, the individual words' definitions do not necessarily directly affect the definition of the phrase. Ask a sample of random people "What does comprised of mean?" and I guarantee that the majority (if not all) will say something along the lines of "is made up of". This case is a situation where common usage has dictated that the definition of the phrase "comprised of" means "is made up of", and as such is acceptable, and there is no need to change it just for the sake of changing it, whether coming across it by chance or purposely hunting it down. ChE clarinetist (talk) 13:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Saying that "comprised of" means "made of" might be ok in infomal speech but it doesn't seem appropriate on an encyclopedia. If you check the definitions that Tiddlywinks linked they have usage notes advising against using it so it's not like it's received universal approval. As I have kept mentioning at least if "comprised of" isn't used it would avoid the debate.Your example of asking people what "comprised of" means I believe that a lot would say it's incorrect/inappropriate.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 08:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Taking a look at Webster's again, it actually seems to pretty strongly take the side of the "comprised of" sense against proscriptionists, even noting that they've found it to be more common in recent literature.
Ratchet and Clank 1995, can I ask if you have a problem with the sentence, "women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"? I.e., is it that "sense 3" (as Webster lists it) that you have a problem with altogether, or is it only the form "comprised of" that rubs you the wrong way? I'm afraid that's not entirely clear to me. =P Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
You're still not getting it Ratchet. You're solely removing "comprised of", you're not changing the whole sentence (which would be fine). There's nothing wrong with "comprised of". If something is comprised of an object it contains the object. If something comprises an object it is contained in the object.--ForceFire 03:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC
If there truly isn't anything wrong with "comprised of" why would anyone attempt to change it on this encyclopedia? Why when you do a web search are there so many sites saying that there is an issue with the phrase? I believe it's because it's disputed so there is something wrong with it an as I've kept mentioning removing it would avoid the issue. In the most recent edit I removed "comprised" because it was completely redundant and has it made the page any worse? I don't think so and why is there an issue with just removing "comprised of".Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 10:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't make the page any worse, no. But it is just something that doesn't need to be done.--ForceFire 12:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
There are attempts to change it because people believe they are right no matter what others say. Just because there are random sites devoted to the improperness of the phrase does not mean it is wrong. If dictionaries provide the definition that you are arguing so vehemently against, then that means that the definition is commonly accepted and true, and that you need to adapt your point of view. This is a personal crusade that you (Ratchet) have, as you are now the only person arguing in favor of changing the phrase. You don't like the phrase? Don't use it in your own contributions, but that does not give you the right to demand that the phrase be removed because you personally have a problem with the way it is used. ChE clarinetist (talk) 13:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
...I'm still interested in this, Ratchet and Clank: do you have a problem with the sentence, "women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"? Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
@Tiddlywinks, I believe that it would be better to use "make up" or "compose" as generally parts make up the whole while the whole comprises the parts.
@ChE clarinetist, Webster's state "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up" which shows that they acknowledgethat the phrase isn't universally accepted and advise you to use something else to avoid the issue. The purpose of a dictionary isn't to tell you what is correct its purpose is to tell you what people mean when they use a word therefore even if something is in a dictionary it doesn't mean it's correct. I only brought up the dictionary to state the usage note which shows that it isn't universally accepted. It's not just my opinion as I've mentioned earlier and if it is removed it doesn't need to be reverted.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 17:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
At some point, when a word has been used long enough without being stopped, you can't really argue it anymore—the language has changed, no matter how much you or anyone like-minded may want to continue arguing it; it's not up to you to pick and choose the bits of language that only suit you. Comprised certainly seems to have been used long enough to reach that point; hell, from my point of view, I've never had the suspicion "comprised of" wasn't right before running into this issue on Bulbapedia, and I think I've grown up fairly well read. In short...just get with the times. =P Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't think "Comprised of" has nearly reached the level where it has become universally accepted because why are there so many sites that discuss the issue? Why do Webster's have that usage note that advises you to use a "safer" synonym? I believe I know why, it's because it hasn't been accepted. A lot of people probably don't know that there's anything wrong with "comprised of" but maybe after reading the issue they might decide to not use it in the future.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 10:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
I absolutely wasn't suggesting it was universal—I'm not so foolish as to suggest that when this whole discussion (and/or random websites) screams that it's not. Effectively, I'm saying it's at the point of no return; it won't be wished away, or wished out of "proper" discourse. And as I said above, the note on Webster's is rather clearly skeptical of the critics of the "comprised of" sense. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

New cast information

Check your e-mail for proof. Technickal (talk) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to add the information.--ForceFire 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in XY085 occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? PattyMan 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--ForceFire 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
It was something done like this by the way. PattyMan 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
That's fine.--ForceFire 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in Pokemon in South Asia Talk page. I think some content could be added to Trivia.Kanhakris16 Dreamtheatre fb page 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Ash Hawlucha personalty

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --SilverioBOMB (talk) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding edit in Route 4


I see that you undid my edit in the Kanto Route 4 page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the Northern direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

Ishu bagaria (talk) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Mt. Moon is part of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--ForceFire 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Just Checking

This kind of edit is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. CycloneGU (talk) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--ForceFire 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Pre-evolution tutor moves

A while ago, I got into a small disagreement with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are here, here, and here. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--Cold (talk) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--ForceFire 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

PkMn pゥぁ ゥぇHijinx

We need to talk about 3 pages. PkMn pゥぁ ゥぇ PkMn (DC) So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁ ゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. Racerjames200 (talk) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey their

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm not on the forums very often.--ForceFire 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either its shows Noibat hatching --SilverioBOMB (talk) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --SilverioBOMB (talk) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--ForceFire 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--SilverioBOMB (talk) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either we are discussing that all its feels like their no point helping out --SilverioBOMB (talk) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Mobile browsers and Ads

Hi Force Fire. After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again. This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month. Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible. They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads. Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up. Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. (Wingeddonkey (talk) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))

Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask Archaic on the forums, or create a thread on the bulbawiki forum. --ForceFire 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Wingeddonkey (talk) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

New Section of Character page

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --SilverioBOMB (talk) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

That rarely ever happens, so no.--ForceFire 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum. Dawn as well--SilverioBOMB (talk) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--ForceFire 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is not needed.--ForceFire 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No.--ForceFire 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

ForceFire i was wondering

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all? We can't add videos i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. Ash's Talonflame already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--ForceFire 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too. Also Trivia for Ash Noibat Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

You're missing my point. Take a look--SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at Ash's Talonflame's page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
Something happening the second time is not notable. Only the first time.
No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--ForceFire 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse? U never answer it Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why? I understand Krookodile powerhouse But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--ForceFire 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums? Please can we chat like right now about it--SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--ForceFire 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me Im really bad at this Please give me user that knows about power? please --SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--ForceFire 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please --SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--SilverioBOMB (talk) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

can u believe it that little guy shapeshift Its like Digimon Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages? Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages- unsigned comment from SilverioFlame (talkcontribs)

I protected them. Standard procedure.--ForceFire 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --Samueljoo (talk) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes... and?--ForceFire 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the same Zygarde before is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --Samueljoo (talk) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--ForceFire 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --Samueljoo (talk) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --SilverioBOMB (talk) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy and i know u know its true ' but im trying my best i want to help i want to learn i want to Pokemon expert i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam i just agreed thats all i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --SilverioBOMB (talk) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Speculation Crackdown?

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. CycloneGU (talk) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--ForceFire 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL CycloneGU (talk) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit requests

Hey, can you edit the Pokémon in South Asia page with the following info?

  • M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
  • Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
  • Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.

Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? Yash Sen 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
  • In the air date box, please add today's date like this 16th September, 2015 besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
  • In the top of the page besides the country flags after In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by Hungama TV, which started airing the original series. The channel also started airing the XY series from May 2015. there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that July 2015 into September 2015 as it debuted today.
  • In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
Please do these and the previous edits too or unlock the page and give us last chance! Yash Sen 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes? Is there any problem with these edit requests? Yash Sen 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --Yash Sen 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --Yash Sen 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Pokémon world in relation to the real world

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --ForceFire 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
It still doesn't actually mention the country.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--ForceFire 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a common name, so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is not a common name and could only refer to nothing but the country.--ForceFire 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
The country is referenced, therefore it is mentioned. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is mentioned. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country is not an assumption, because like I said, what else could it be referring to?--ForceFire 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city and a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--ForceFire 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after Mount Kenya. Kenya is also a commune in the city Lubumbashi. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--ForceFire 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it certainly isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing but the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my responseRatchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Because people would most likely know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--ForceFire 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would "most likely' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" not "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. England is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--ForceFire 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.- unsigned comment from Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talkcontribs)
Put it this way: if wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may objectively consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If no one has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly obscure or of low significance.) By contrast, both wp:Mount Kenya and wp:Kenya have tens of thousands of bytes.
You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will most likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is most certainly not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --ForceFire 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya only mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. ChE clarinetist (talk) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, but the country is the first thing that comes to mind.--ForceFire 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Super Mystery Dungeon

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). Eridanus (talk) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Admin edit request

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect Ash's father to Ash Ketchum#father? I made a request on the article's talk page a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks レシイラムtalk 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--ForceFire 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that Ash's father is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to Ash Ketchum, then I'll remove the HTML tags. レシイラムtalk 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Move protection on XY091

Does this need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - PokémonGamer (talk) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Sealed Ruin/s

Hello can you move Sealed Ruins to its correct name Sealed Ruin, please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --Raltseye (talk) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

The reason is that Sealed Ruin has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. CycloneGU (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --Raltseye (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Something went horribly wrong there... --Raltseye (talk) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--ForceFire 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a hundred :) --Raltseye (talk) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
The page history seems to be missing. CycloneGU (talk) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Heh, forgot 'bout that.--ForceFire 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
NOW it looks good. =) CycloneGU (talk) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --SilverioBOMB (talk) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. ChE clarinetist (talk) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

oh so no good then --SilverioBOMB (talk) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Clemont Bunnelby personality

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --SilverioBOMB (talk) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--ForceFire 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). CycloneGU (talk) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type can someone tell me what they think --SilverioBOMB (talk) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--ForceFire 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as this Meowth, should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. CycloneGU (talk) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--ForceFire 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
The question though is that's only available in My Pokémon Ranch and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. CycloneGU (talk) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--ForceFire 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". Lady Ariel 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto My Pokémon Ranch, they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the Battle Revolution Pikachu or the Colosseum one from the bonus disc; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. CycloneGU (talk) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? CycloneGU (talk) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like Pokémon Bank Celebi are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with SnorlaxMonster to see if we ever elaborated on that). Lady Ariel 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. CycloneGU (talk) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent)After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--ForceFire 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

The Underground and the Mystery Zone

SatoMew2 has added a Mystery Zone section to The Underground, believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, nothing but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for the location, but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I have tried to discuss it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the void. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
This sums up my POV.サトミュウ (SatoMew) 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the actual Underground (i.e., actuall/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between The Underground and the Mystery Zone really needs to be discussed, it belongs at Mystery Zone (where bugs and quirks are explicitly at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, Lumiose City's save bug or perhaps glitches associated with Cinnabar Island—and both of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very deliberately to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in The Underground#Mystery Zone become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to The Underground simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be all of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--ForceFire 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. サトミュウ (SatoMew) 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, unintended by definition, does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. サトミュウ (SatoMew) 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of The Underground. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--ForceFire 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Ash Greniniga

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--SilverioBOMB (talk) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--SilverioBOMB (talk) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--ForceFire 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --SilverioBOMB (talk) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--ForceFire 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Deleted Page

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it. - unsigned comment from Swonic (talkcontribs)

Fan comics are not notable for their own article.--ForceFire 14:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Pokemon Conquest

I've picked it up again and wanna ask someone - any hope of getting this project off the ground at last? Drake Clawfang (talk) 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Thought this was already implemented in the articles? Either way, I'll give it a mention to the others. If it's any consolation, I like the template and think it's good to go.--ForceFire 14:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Unfortunately, no it was never implemented. I gave up after months of reaching out to staff members about it, but I have time on my hands to implement it now, and figured I'd give it another shot. Drake Clawfang (talk) 15:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Have there been any updates on this? Also, sorry if I'm bugging you about it, I just don't want interest to die like it has before. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

In lieu of the move templates being discussed, I've restarted work on another Conquest template, viewable here. Please let me know if there's any concerns about its coding, and/or who would be willing to help refine it if needed.

Is there anyone else whose attention I should be after for these templates? Drake Clawfang (talk) 01:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

"Comprised of" edit warring

As you have made comments on this issue in the past (and you are usually available around the time I am writing this) I figured I would bring to your attention that there is currently an edit war going on involving the use of "comprised of" on several pages. Ratchet and Clank 1995 has so far made edits and subsequently reverted the edits Tiddlywinks made to undo Ratchet's first edits. Here is a quick link to Ratchet's contributions to see the affected pages in a single place. ChE clarinetist (talk) 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)


Could you please block this user for vandalism [1] --Raltseye 11:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)


Excuse me for seeing the page being protected but, could you remove debut for Olympia, who will debut in XY091, please? Raymond 10:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)


A few pokemon fans pointed out a couple months ago that new pokemon merchandise was being released featuring the cast of the anime. (You can simply google "Chespin Evolving Merchandise" to find a lot of the links, since I know Bulbapedia is a bit weird about directly posting the links.) Now, I posted an idea on another forum that casually talks about the anime, but apparently the idea is gaining momentum on some of the bigger pokemon forums. That Ash is going to catch the Quilladin in this episode. It might be worth to pre-emptively semi-protect this page. Not full on protection obviously as it's just a silly fan idea, but a semi-protect might be worth it because although there's no clear evidence (which would be cause for a full on protection), I would think there's enough that people would be drawn to eventually edit the page as they start seeing people talk about it. The merchandise alone seems to suggest a Quilladin WILL be a part of the team sometime soon and there's been nothing to suggest Clemont's will evolve. Coupled with the fact that suddenly, there's this episode which takes place after the poster line-up, which happens to have said pokemon in it, and happens to be the correct type Ash needs to fill in his usual Water/Fire/Grass elemental wheel and of the correct stage to not be a direct copy of Clemont. This wouldn't be completely unheard of, as a user on said board who talks casually about the anime, Misty did have both Staryu and Starmie on her team at the same time, so although it'd be a first for two different people to have different evos of the same pokemon, it's not entirely unheard of. Obviously, up to you/other admins on if they want to wait to see if people start trying to add it, but I figure pre-emptive strikes might be worth it? Myzou (talk) 02:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Done. Whilst I think it's all just speculation and that Clemont's Chespin could still evolve (which is very unlikely), I'll just semi protect it as a just in case.--ForceFire 05:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

We got ourselves a spambot

If you're still around, please block Treatthatanxiety. Ta. レシイラムtalk 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Account creation summary

I think a staff member may need to check this account creation summary here. --- "00:28, 12 October 2015 User account Keagan Davis333 (Talk | contribs) was created by Keagan Davis (Talk | contribs) (inappropriate language summary removed)" - PokémonGamer* 05:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Dealt with.--ForceFire 05:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Talonflame's Flame Body

"We haven't put on Sceptile's page that Treecko's ability was unconfirmed, and Dwebble's page doesn't suggest its ability could have changed after evolution despite never using Sturdy as a Crustle"

Perhaps I'm late to the party discussing this, but these examples above, I think, demonstrate why we needn't put this note on Talonflame's page. The only example of a Pokémon changing its ability in the anime is Paul's Electivire which as a species loses access to Static in favour of Motor Drive. I know that anime doesn't always go by the same rules as the games but we have consistently been shown Pokémon using the same abilities throughout all stages of there evolution. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 15:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

It's done on Ash's Leavanny. Sceptile is automatically invalid since at the time, it only had one ability. Fletchinder and Talonflame have two, the primary and hidden ability. The writers could decide to give Talonflame its hidden ability for whatever reason. Yes, that's speculation but it is also speculation when you assume Talonflame has the same ability as Fletchinder just because it also normally has Flame Body. Cilan's Crustle was simply overlooked, nothing more.--ForceFire 16:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Unacceptable username****. - PokémonGamer* 11:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

This one too. - PokémonGamer* 22:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
I believe this would also be considered an unacceptable username. - PokémonGamer* 02:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Whilst it's most likely a bot, it's also most likely just part of a surname. --ForceFire 02:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Frogadier's Egg

Since you are the one who blocked the page could you go in and add the information about Frogadier's egg being shown? Thank you.--Pikablu (talk) 13:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Also could you add it to Frokie's species page since you blocked that as well. It may not seem like it but some people like to add information.--Pikablu (talk) 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Patience, my friend. For I was away for a little bit. But if you really wanted the information to be added, you could've asked another admin. Just because I protected it, doesn't mean you can only ask me for edit requests.--ForceFire 15:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


I wanted to do something for the Major Events but it's locked. Could you unlock it for a moment and don't worry I'll write it hidden and won't show it now because I know that episode won't air in Japan until next Thursday.--- unsigned comment from JasonL (talkcontribs)

Fake arts (please delete them)

--DarkPikaDex123 (talk) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

I can't delete them since I don't have the powers to delete them from the archives (I'm a junior admin there), I'll ask another admin.--ForceFire 04:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


So you're just not going to answer me? That's how we fix the problem?--Pikablu (talk) 13:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Or I could've just forgotten? I'll bring it up with the others, and we'll discuss it. --ForceFire 13:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Alright, thank you.--Pikablu (talk) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


How come you didn't write back? If you didn't want to help, you could've told me to ask someone else.--- unsigned comment from JasonL (talkcontribs)

It can be added once the episode airs. Simple.--ForceFire 06:44, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, easier said than done.--- unsigned comment from JasonL (talkcontribs)

Olympia's Meowstic

Just like Rizzo(the poacher trying to steal Volcarona)'s two Jellicent (♀ and ♂) are indicated as Jellicent (×2), shouldn't Olympia's two Meowstic be indicated in the same manner.Harryghost (talk) 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, they should be in one template since they're the same Pokémon.--ForceFire 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Pangoro Slash

Seriously, why are you an admin and whoever gave you the power of the undo button must want this site to burn. It is easily seen as Slash in XY071. Why don't you tell me what else it could have been when Pangoro grew its claws, turned them white, and SLASHED the opponent. Well it must have been Water Gun huh, how stupid of us. Stop doing counter productive things.--Pikablu (talk) 05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Could've been Scratch. Or False Swipe. Or Cut. Or Fury Swipes. Yes, I know it can't learn Scratch or Fury Swipes, but the anime can make it use those moves because... just because. Anyways, we don't assume the moves of a Pokémon unless it is stated by one of the characters. Just because it looks like a move, doesn't mean it is the move. Hydro Pump and Water Gun basically share the same animation in the anime. So does Bubble and Bubblebeam. So does Bite and Crunch. So does Thunderbolt and ThunderShock. So does HeadButt and Tackle. So does Explosion and Self-destruct. So does Wrap, Bind, and Constrict. Bottom line, many moves share an animation so don't just assume a move.--ForceFire 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Force Fire, I have to wonder weather you actually watch the anime? The suspected moves in question being Pangoro's Slash, Glaceon's Ice Shard, Flareon's Fire Spin, Vaporeon's Aqua Jet and Jolteon's Thunder; of these the only one that could be argued is perhaps Jolteon's Thunder, although I'd wager highly that Thunder was the move used. If the move is not named on screen how can we be sure what that move is? Well it turns out there is a precedent (an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances) for that.
When the episode BW007 aired we saw Snivy use an unidentifiable grass type attack; the move used a new animation and there was no way of telling what the move used was, the same happed in XY003 when the Flethcling Ash was battling used an unidentifiable move with its wings. In both cases the moves were not documented at the time whatsoever, other moves like Vine Whip and Double Team were not named in the respective episodes but they were assumed to be those moves as the animations are conclusive. The former two moves were later revealed to be Leaf Storm and Razor Wind, as the two Pokémon continually appeared with the main cast, and they were documented on Bulbapedia as if they were known from the start. The problem here is that none of these Pokémon are on the main cast and its not certain we'll get confirmation in the same way that we did with Leaf Storm and Razor Wind. However, nearly half of the moves used in the anime and indeed the moves documented on Bulbapedia were unnamed and assumed.
There are even moves used in the same episodes that were unnamed and yet assumed here. Further precedents take us back to "White—Victini and Zekrom" and "Black—Victini and Reshiram" where in the movie, Reshiram used a fire type move that was unnamed on screen. The head of the entire Anime project: Kenji- Girl was asked weather she thought the move was Flamethrower or Overheat, she decided it was Flamethrower and it is documented as such. Keji- Girl's example in this situation is to use our initiative and simply agree.
Furthermore, in Tangrowth's debut episode, it used a move where its arm glowed purple and it struck the opponent, unnamed in the episode but nevertheless documented as Poison Jab for several years before one user recognised the moves animation more closely resembled Power Whip, a move that had not been shown again and named for almost a year after Tangowth's debut. The appropriate changes were made one the consensus had been made.
In the case of Pangoro's attack, we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors, ruling out Scratch and Fury Swipes, Cut has been shown in the XY anime and the animation is distinguishable. The case you put forward for False Swipes is the only one with grounds however my rebottle is that we, historically, assume a move that sees a lot of use over a move rarely seen. The move matches Slash and we have no false swipes to compare it to.
Glacoen's move, I can hardly believe is even subject to debate. The animation matches BW's Ice Shard. While was have not yet seen Ice Shard used and named in XY. We can surely assume the move is Ice Shard, same as we assumed that Golbat used Air Slash in XY052; the move was never named and it has not appeared at any other time in XY but we assumed it to be Air Slash as it shared the animation with the BW Air Slash.
Flareon's very clearly used Fire Spin as the stream of dire instantly began to form circles. This is what we've always recognised as the distinguishing factor between Flamethrower and Fire Spin. This has been used many times when the move was neither specified Flamethrower of Fire spin. Both pages have many times listed where the move was not named on screen but the initiative of the users arrived at a decision. On a side note, assuming you have actually seen the clip of the move in question, do you doubt the move is Fire Spin?
As with the case of Ice Shard, the animation of the move used by Vaporeon matches BW's depiction (and DP's, for that matter) of Aqua Jet. This move would be, however, an error and as I argued in Pangoro's case "we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors". My aforementioned statement, while still having validity concerning Pangoro, has no bearing on Vaporeon and is in no way a contradiction. Anime move errors happen a lot, in the XY series we've seen a Fletchling use Feather Dance and a Slurpuff using Electro ball, two errors, however they were named. Nidoran♂'s Bite, Froslass's Slash, Dusknoir's Rapid Spin, Regigigas's Hammer Arm, Baltoy and Claydol's Shock Wave, Politoad's Jump Kick, Skunktank's X- Scissor, Uxie and Mespirit's Teleport, Chingling and Chimecho's Sing, Kricetune's Bullet Seed, Unown's Psychic and Tediursa's Pound are only half of the errors documented on bulbapedia that were not named onscreen. These are precedents that say the animation is conclusive. Your comment that "the other[s] could be illegal moves as well" is a nonsensical argument; you may as well argue that May caught another Venasaur rather than evolving it from Bulbasaur because it was never said to have evolved on screen. Or even that every time Ash's Pikachu has ever used Thunderbolt, it was a script error and the move was actually Thundershock. Your argument is pedantic.
Thuder, Thundershock and Thunderbolt have always been similar animations if not the same. However, Thunder has always made a louder sound. To leave this particular move of Jolteon's undocumented would mean most of the times these three moves and discharge are documented will have to be removed. We must come to an agreement as we always have done.
Finally, don't take my repeated use of the word "assume" as basis for a counter argument, as I'll reiterate that assumptions about moves have been made more than they actually have been confirmed. If you're sticking to the argument where unconfirmed moves should be left undocumented, you have a lot of editing to do because these are only the latest in thousands of instances of a move that has not been named. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
No assumptions. That's the Bulbapedia rule with ANY content. This is an Ash's Charizard gender debate all over again. We require CONCRETE, undeniable proof of anything around here. Otherwise we're not being professional and accurate. And FYI, Force Fire said on the Forums that he does not watch the anime as actively. --BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 16:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Yes, I do watch the anime, at least the important episodes (captures, gym battles, evolutions). We can only use precedence if the move in questions has a unique animation (like Vine Whip or Double Team, since they have unique animations). Slash shares its animation with other "claw" moves like Fury Swipes or Cut. Leaf Storm and Razor Wind didn't get documented because they could've been Razor Leaf or Air Cutter.

This was the only conversation about Reshiram's move that I could find, and she didn't even give an answer. Yet, you added it in anyway, so I believe that you think she gave an answer, but she didn't. As for Power Whip, both Poison Jab and Power Whip have a unique animation in the anime (at least, so far) so that was correct.

Back to the topic, just because we haven't seen a Pokémon use False Swipe doesn't mean that the animators won't make a Pokémon use False Swipe. They can do whatever they want, thus we won't know and we won't assume we know. As for the Eeveelutions, they were fantasized as being used on a Showcase, so it could've been stylized versions of Flamethrower (Flareon), Thunderbolt (Jolteon), Random Water move that isn't really clear on what it was (Vaporeon) and Icicle Spear (Glaceon), may seem like a stretch, but still... showcase fantasy.

As for the other assumed moves, those were from a time before we had the "don't assume" rule. Whether we'll go through them, I don't know. May's Venusaur had to evolve because it's known that she had a Bulbasaur. It's not like Paul's Weavile where we don't know if he caught it as a Sneasel. You Pikachu example doesn't hold water as it's always been called Thunderbolt in both the Japanese and the English dub. Thunder having a "louder" sound doesn't amount to anything.

Again the assumed move of the past were from before we had the "don't assume" rule. And whether we'll go through them is up in the air.--ForceFire 04:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

In regards to Reshiram's Flamethrower, I remembered that incorrectly, so it should be disregarded. However my point about, May's Venasaur is that we assumed it had evolved from Bulbasaur, this was never stated (see Lenora's Herdier for a similar argument that went the other way on the whim of an admin) and Pikachu's Thunderbolt, I meant an error with the Japanese script (see Roxanne's Nosepass) but I'm obviously not arguing those things, they are just examples of pedantic arguments akin to your own. (Pedantic means "excessively concerned with rules and minor details to the point you become difficult) It would be like saying Brock's Onix didn't evolve into Steelix, Forrest could have lied and the Steelix Brock reunites with is just an actor hired to cover up the fact Onix is dead at the bottom of the ocean. We never actually saw that Onix evolve, now did we?
This mythical "we don't assume" rule, only seems to have come into effect during XY071 and was lifted right up until XY089, though it still seemed to fluctuate relevance during the episode.
I think you are arguing black is white. I think your just saying "I am an admin and I'm right no matter what", which you'll probably get away with here but that's not gonna do you much good in the real world. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 11:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Original Japanese dub trumps all, that's why we don't count Herdier and Lillipup as one. Pokémon is a different case to the moves. We base the Pokémon on what we know, we know May had a Bulbasaur, so when it reappeared as a Venusaur under her command, we put two and two together. Moves are different, unless the move has a unique animation (like Double Team or Vine Whip), we cannot put two and two together because some (if not, a majority of) moves share the same animation.
The "don't assume" rule is more like a common sense thing. If we don't know what something is, don't guess. Wait until it gets revealed or just leave it be. It's like the VAs, we don't guess or play by ear, we go to the VAs themselves and ask.
Just so you are aware, I have spoken to Kogoro about the matter (I asked that we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique animation) and her response was "pretty much". I am not abusing my powers, I am just going by what I know from past experience, how we usually do things here and what my fellow admins and higher ups say.--ForceFire 13:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
As far as Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet go, we do know what they are, the only one to have a problem with this was the original user to revert the edits, if he hadn't said anything you'd have no doubt those moves were Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet. Slash is something we can deduce from this "common sense thing" you so patronisingly mentioned.
And it seems I remember the Herdier situation a bit better, i'm aware that Japanese dub trumps all. The original made no mention of Herdier having evolved from lillipup the same way it did not mention Venasaur (or indeed Drew and Nando's Roserade) but "two and two" weren't put together then. You can see why I think most admins here choose whichever rules they want to follow as and when they feel like it.
I'm sure you did a great job explaining to kongoro why you think your right.
Can I ask why Fire Spin and the others are being denied but Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind from the same episode are okay?
Be honest now, PlayerKing is only a regular user on here, but he holds some kind of seniority on the forums. That's the staff bias. Furthermore Pikablu is a fairly new user so it's easy to assume he's wrong, perhaps a trouble maker for arguing the case. Then comes along a long time user with a sound argument that you cannot really deny (the only points you've addressed were The Reshiram situation, which I remembered wrong though it still does not deter my case, and my hypotheticals about Venasaur and Pikachu which you either don't fully understand or your just looking for something to argue with) and you as the "senior admin" can't admit you may be wrong. These five moves are literally the only ones that aren't noted down because they haven't been named on screen, while every other time this happened the move was deduced through common sense Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 10:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
If the moves weren't fantasized about being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), then maybe. But since it was fantasized as being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), there's the ambiguity of whether it's a stylized version of another move (because again, showing off a Pokémon).
I've always assumed that we did what we did with Venusaur (and Roserade) because of common sense. We know they had a Bulbasaur and Roselia at one point, so when they reappeared in their evolved form, we put two and two together. Those were done before I was an admin I believe, so if you to ask why they were given the okay, go ask Kenji-Girl.
And that's literally all I said to Kogoro, I literally asked if we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique combination and she replied with "Pretty much". I didn't parade that I was right, I just asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward response.
As for Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind, they most likely just slipped by.
Just because Playerking was the one that started it, doesn't mean we are biased. He was just following the common sense rule of "no assuming". I've already gave reasons against your examples. We know May had a Bulbasaur, it reappears as a Venusaur, common sense. Pikachu's Thunderbolt has always been called out as Thunderbolt in both the original and the dub. As for all the other moves that were assumed and whether we remove them, take that up to the Editorial Board as that would be a major change.--ForceFire 13:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Psychic move

I have my doubts but didn't Olympia's Meowstic use Psychic in XY091Harryghost (talk) 15:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

A Festival Farewell (?/!)

The English name of XY081is A Festival Trade! A Festival Farewell! as revealed in the title card. Shouldn't necessary changes be made on Bulbapedia? Also Bunnelby was hit by Shadow Ball in XY081, shouldn't that be included in the error section.Harryghost (talk) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

The way the title was said implies that it was meant to be a question mark and that what was shown in the title card was an error. And it is not proven in the anime that Normal type are immune to Ghost types.--ForceFire 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


Can I ask why you undid the edit on SS035 for Mairin's Chespie? She nicknamed her Chespin, so why refer to it by its species' name instead of its nickname? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

When referring to the Pokémon as "Trainer's X", we use the species name not its nickname.--ForceFire 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Still confused

I kind of understand the first part of your reply on XY081 title card. But is the proof, you are suggesting in second part, something like 'someone stating in the anime that Ghost type moves do no good on Normal-types?'Harryghost (talk) 17:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

It is not proven in the anime that Ghost type moves have no effect on Normal type Pokémon. That's pretty simple to understand--ForceFire 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Staff of Pokémon Snap

I have a couple questions/concerns regarding a recent edit to the Staff of Pokémon Snap page. First and foremost: Technickal added "Tara Jayne as Bulbasaur (uncredited)", and I know Technickal has had issues with sourcing before, so perhaps someone had better double check that this addition actually measures up to Bulbapedia's standards? (On the other hand, it also looks like Rachael Lillis and "Madeleine"/Maddie Blaustein aren't in the actual (English?) end credits either, so...I guess either those also don't belong or they're all OK? Or maybe those were confirmed adequately somewhere?)

Of lesser concern, I'm also kind of wondering if the addition of "as Professor Oak" and "as Todd Snap" and all that is okay? Basically, I'm half under the impression it's supposed to be like a duplicate of the end credits, so maybe that's not quite appropriate. Or maybe it's not appropriate for some other reason, I don't know. (This one also applies to the Staff of Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire page.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that's just playing by ear. I've reverted the edits. As for the "As X", I'm not sure as well as I don't recall there being a page with the credits formatted like that (it's uusally done in a table, as you know), I've reverted it for the mean time.--ForceFire 02:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
So, the Rachael Lillis and Maddie Blaustein credits are OK? Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Oh, he didn't add them... removed.--ForceFire 09:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Confirmation Please

Hello! I think Serena's Eevee's gender might have been confirmed in context like Fennekin (read this second section). I'm asking just to be sure this counts. Don't know about Chespin and the other two though. --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 23:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

I've brought it up with the other admins, just waiting on a response.--ForceFire 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Charon assumptions

I'm not sure if you've maybe missed or forgotten about the comment (/wall of text) I added at Talk:Charon#Assumptions?, but in case you have, it kind of requires a response... Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Ah, right. Forgot about that conversation. I'll respond as soon as possible.--ForceFire 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Ash' Frogadier

Why did you deleted the Trivia I put on Ash' Frogadier's Bulbapedia page, without an explanation. If you have watched the trailer, you can obviously see it isn't fanmade, and it is Ash commanding a Greninja, also obviously his. If you don't come up with a good reason why it isn't allowed to be on the trivia sector, I will put it back in. Danny199

It's not really trivia since it's already known its going to evolve. That and we don't add things about its evolution until it evolves.--ForceFire 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
That's clear, thanks for the explanation. Is it something to say that it has such a strong bond that it becomes a different kind of Greninja, of course as soon as it has evolved. Danny199 12:16 8 November 2015 (UTC)
That could get added once it changes into that form.--ForceFire 12:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Possible spambots - PokémonGamer* 17:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

As long as they do nothing, it's fine.--ForceFire 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


Hello may I mainspace these templates and apply use on all the needed pages? --Raltseye 08:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Serena's Eevee

Thanks! Because I was proving a point but one of the users said that Eevee was voiced both ways in English but I know Eevee was voiced in Japan and English so I tried to put it back how it was. I forgot to remove Rogers's actor by the way.--JasonL (Talk) 04:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

M18 Dub NDA

In an e-mail, I asked one of the voice actors listed in the dub credits of M18 who they voiced. They said they couldn't tell me until the movie got aired in the U.S., so there is an apparent non-disclosure agreement. Since we won't be able to reliably determine the voice actors until then, should we remove the "Missinginfo" templates until it airs in the U.S.? Technickal (talk) 20:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

No. The template is there to notify users that we don't know who the VAs are. You can just simply ask again now that the movie's out.--ForceFire 03:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Future Event?

Now that Zygarde's other formes have already appeared in the anime, shouldn't the 'Future Event' tag be removed from its page?Harryghost (talk) 06:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

We still know next to nothing about them. The other two formes haven't appeared in the anime. Be don't know their types, stats, move sets, importance etc.. So no.--ForceFire 06:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Help Please

Trying to log on to the new forums but everytime I try to reset my password, it is too weak, even with 10 letters - unsigned comment from BigDocFan (talkcontribs)

That just means the password you want to use is legitimately weak, you just have to make the password stronger. Also, see this: [2].--ForceFire 02:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde page

Excuse me. Would you mind if you unlock the Zygarde page? I just made a disambiguation page of it and a really want to post it on the page. -- Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 07:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Go for it.--ForceFire 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

String Shot

Look at Playerking95's recent edit reverting me on this page; String Shot. The case put forth is, don't assume the move was String Shot. In case you haven't seen the recent episode, Ariados took captive a prisoner by entangling him in its thread. Playerking says the move may not be String Shot because Ariados can produce thread regardless. This would be fine, if all the other times Ariados spat thread (and it wasn't named) it wasn't documented as String Shot, however it was. In fact Ariados has used what was documented as String Shot yet not named twice in the XY series, the former being only two episodes before the one Playerking fought so counter productively to remove the documentation of Pangoro's Slash, (Which I think is further evidence of how volatile this 'no assuming' crusade quite is) It feels like Playerking95 is targeting me now, with no regard for Bulbipedia's precedence or conventions, his only purpose to oppose myself. As the admin who may be responsible for enabling this kind of behaviour, I thought I'd raise the issue with yourself. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 23:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

This I agree with, since it did use String Shot to attack (ie. trap) its opponent and String Shot has a unique animation.--ForceFire 03:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Stages in Pokémon Picross

Any chance Pokémon Picross Stages can be speedily approved for mainspace on the basis of Shuffle stage data being split already? Already completed up to Area 07, and we're working through it to fill in the data. Further, with over 300 puzzles (304 to be exact) just for Pokémon, it's just as large as Shuffle right now in terms of game size; the userspace page right now is already over 60,000 bytes while the main article is only 16,000, so it makes sense to update the stage data separately from the main page and leave the main page for other game details (skills can stay there this time around, only 12 in the game). I see no harm in providing a "more information" link and using the "stages": section to detail the various modes of play (standard play, Alt Mode, Mega Pencil, etc.).

Also have this on the go, and the data on that also needs filling in. Short of a Pastebin file from somewhere giving up the details (like Shuffle), we have to do this the long and hard way, but at least we have an accurate Pokémon list to work with. That list follows the precedent of making a list of Pokémon for every Pokémon game. CycloneGU (talk) 18:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Apologies for the late reply, I was busy yesterday. Abcboy has brought it up with the staff, and we're discussing it at the moment.--ForceFire 04:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Alrighty. I'm doing an edit at the stages page right now, so if it's getting a move, let me know and I'll move it when done. If I don't hear otherwise, I'll save my edit and be done for now. CycloneGU (talk) 04:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
That edit is done, so I'll stay back for a while. =) 11 areas completed in full now. Also, if you want to see the data that will be added for Areas 16-30, I can link; it's on the same Google Sheet as my trade shop and will eventually be deleted or hidden once I'm done with everything there. CycloneGU (talk) 04:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
That pages are good to go, though the "stages" page may need to be condensed. Right now, it just looks like a cluttered mess, but that can be edited along the way.--ForceFire 04:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by it being a cluttered mess? I'm trying to fit in as much information as possible, but if you think something can be removed, I'm all ears. I already moved a couple of things off of the page to the Pokémon list page, but I don't know what else I can move without leaving data incomplete. Unless we can merge columns somewhere? I don't see a good way to do it; the only possibility is merging energy and stage size into one column unless there's something else you have in mind. But yeah, we can discuss that later.
I'll reorg the list back to NDex order for the species list and add more stage data, then I'll move it into place. I have all except a few stages and I want to figure out those last ones before I make it live since I'm extremely close. CycloneGU (talk) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
One more quick question. Unless I'm beaten to doing it (and that's fine!), I'm going to eventually add the sidegames entries for Pokémon Picross for the relevant Pokémon, noting for those with Mega forms both stages (48 have Mega forms, so only 256 pages to actually edit). I know the entries for Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon (for which all 720 will eventually get one) must precede it being released a mere two weeks earlier, and even earlier in Japan, but what background template should I use with the Picross entries? I can edit that down and prep 256 entries with it and go on an editing binge to add them one at a time, and any pages missing the Super Mystery Dungeon entry I can leave a commented out version for. For now, I'm going to finish the species list and get it into mainspace by tomorrow, but that's on my mind for afterwards; another editor is helping add the mission data, and I'll be doing an Alt World page soon as well (again prepping in userspace). CycloneGU (talk) 06:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
The individual Picross info for all Pokémon (which I assume is what you mean), would probably be implemented into the already existing side games template. You can make a mock template to suggest how it would look like on the template.--ForceFire 06:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
I was presuming it would just be a single line like all the others. The question was more what colour to use. Since Pokémon Picross uses the "yellow" scheme, that's what I would use in the sidegames template to add a line for it (and yes, I figured the existing sidegames template; I added lines for four other games in there, after all, so more than familiar with them). CycloneGU (talk) 07:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
The color scheme would probably have to be decided upon among the staff, just use whatever color the game uses (in this case, yellow) for the mean time.--ForceFire 08:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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I can do that, then. However, I would suggest, as Picross is a puzzle game (like Shuffle), that it should be the Beauty colour scheme. That's just my opinion, and it will likely be a little bit before I get to updating them, so if a decision is made on that prior to my using the yellow, please let me know. I don't really mind whatever is used on the sidegames layouts as each line just follows the page. =) CycloneGU (talk) 17:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

All right, both pages are mainspaced. I already accounted for the stage list at the main article and added some info on other things related to gameplay, most notably the Mega Pencil and the possible rewards earned by using it on puzzles (and then those Megas on other missions), giving an eventual theoretical cost to the Pencil in actual Picrites that are not earned back. I plan to expand the main article with a medals list, but I checked with my data ripper who notes the GameFAQs version, while correct, doesn't account for "further challenge" medals (I am guessing they are unlocked upon game completion) and is also referred to by my ripper helper as "a partial version of Serebii" with some of the descriptions being "made up, not data ripped". I will follow up on this and see if I can get the proper data-ripped list for the article as this would be ideal to include.
Meanwhile, for the list, can you edit it appropriately into the Template:Pokelist and onto the associated page? I'll let you determine the best placement on both, though I'd suggest side games (like Shuffle). CycloneGU (talk) 22:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
Abcboy has added that to the template.--ForceFire 03:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Ash-Greninja Form

Would the form change be added on its page or do we have to wait for another episode where it occurs, and will it be added as how Mega Evolutions are added like ' ↔ 'Pratik_12 Talk 12:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

It will be added when it occurs, just be patient.--ForceFire 12:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Wait, it already happened. Why are you asking if it already has occurred? just add it.--ForceFire 12:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Let me throw out the fact that it's Stage S03-06 in Pokémon Picross. Even if it had not occurred in the anime yet, it's a thing. It needs to be added. CycloneGU (talk) 15:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Voice Actors

I have been in touch with Theresa who is happy to provide me a list of voice actors for episodes if I request, just hope that info can be put to good use here --BigDocFan (talk) 16:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

You can screencap the email and send it to me or any of the staff (since I know she is very strict about sharing emails since they contain her email address).--ForceFire 16:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Will a link do like this (talk) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

You've hidden her email, while I get your intentions, hiding her email isn't really going to make me believe that the email is legitimate. I also expected to get this via email (I don't mind emails about VA confirmations). --ForceFire 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Forum Account

What's your member name on bulbaforum, I can send you a screenshot, might be easier--BigDocFan (talk) 19:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

It's the same username.--ForceFire 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Can't see to find you--BigDocFan (talk) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Cast lists

Can't seem to PM you on bulbaforum but is a link like this featuring the voice actors acceptable (talk) 09:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)


I'm extremely bewildered by your statements that I'm... removing the trivia point on Elgyem and Beheeyem due to a personal bias and that I'm "salty?" No. I removed it for the following reasons, which were not at all ambiguous in the edit summaries: The trivia point originally speculated that it may have been a reference to Area 51. This was deemed speculative. I understand why that is, and I have not once added the speculation back. Still, how is outright saying it was "probably" an error any less speculative than saying it was "possibly" deliberate? No, I assure you I'm not asking for the other speculation to be added back - you might notice that, again, neither of my edits did so. Rather, I removed the speculation, so it was more neutral. This was reverted because it wasn't notable without speculation. Speculation isn't allowed. So if there couldn't be speculation, but the trivia point was unnotable - according to someone else - then how am I emotionally biased or "salty" in removing it completely? I thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do to speculation and to unnotable trivia. Next time, give a reason if you're going to revert someone's edit - I was under the impression edit warring wasn't allowed, and calling me "salty" is just ad hominem that doesn't contribute to Bulbapedia at all. EpicDeino (talk) 04:29, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Just a case of mistaken identity, that's all. There have been many users that have added that speculation.--ForceFire 04:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Changing Start to 1

Let us distribute the work, i will be completing with Gen 4, and if i get time, i will complete Gen 5 and 6, if some one can help us, we can re distribute Pratik_12 Talk 05:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Learnsets lv.1

Sorry, can you help me? I began editing several learnlists of pokémon from start to 1, but now I'm not sure if it's al right that I'm doing that. Is it OK? Lokki (talk) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

It's fine, and I've sent you a message.--ForceFire 08:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Don't you have to delete all the describtions of start at the bottom of the learnsets too? Lokki (talk) 08:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
I guess that would be the template that needs to be changed Pratik_12 Talk 08:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Ok, thanks Lokki (talk) 08:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
That will get removed once they've all been changed. Also, Lokki are you doing Gen III now?--ForceFire 09:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I began with gen.I, but thought gen.III would be better since nobody's doing it... Lokki (talk) 09:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
And Spririteit too, i think, because many of ...(Pokémon)/Generation ... learnsets of gen. III pokémon are already done by him.- unsigned comment from Lokki (talkcontribs)
Yeah, he done all of the generation learnsets. Now he's doing the main pages in alphabetical order.--ForceFire 12:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Is everything done then, or not? Lokki (talk) 19:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
There are probably still the moves left, but I'm not too sure. --ForceFire 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
(reset indent) If you are talking about the move pages I think those have all been taken care of too. --Spriteit (talk) 06:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
There are still some pokemon movesets left, to be done by me, had lots of submission so i was busy, will proceed now Pratik_12 Talk 08:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC) Done by Spriteit, so i guess everything is complete Pratik_12 Talk 08:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)


I'm making a wikia, but I can't find out how to make templates like Bulbapedia has. Do you know how to add a Template to a Wikia? Also, I found out how to add an image to a template, so I added Nate's 3 Pokémon and Hugh's Samurott of the trailer to the page. Danny199 (talk) 20:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

I believe wikia has their own how to guide on making templates. Either that, or make them from scratch.--ForceFire 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)


Is a celebrity impersonator account(A Nascar Driver). Please tell them to change their name. Thanks.--BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 08:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

On which talk page did I break a rule? Can you provide a link?

Sumwun (talk) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)


Would it be possible for each episode page to be given a cast list like what M18 has?--BigDocFan (talk) 13:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Manectric Scratch

Celosia's Manectric used Scratch in XY101, which is an anime move error. Then why was the edit regarding this move error, made on Manectric's page, reverted. Harryghost (talk) 13:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

I initially thought we don't add anime move errors on Pokémon pages because, well, they're errors. But I see from Pinsir and Raticate's pages that we do in fact have move errors on them. I've added them back.--ForceFire 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


Why are you even bringing up that place? Do you assume that any supposedly 'rude' person is from or influenced by that place? Did they troll you some time ago or something? Tempest370 (talk) 14:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Seeing as you removed the trivia because "people are laughing at it", then yes, you are influenced by some outside source (not necessarily 4chan, but that is usually where all the Bulbapedia trolling comes from).--ForceFire 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
That's just insane paranoia. No wonder it's impossible to improve this wiki as any criticism is labeled as 'trolling'. Tempest370 (talk) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Saying that we should be ashamed for having useless trivia isn't really criticism, let alone constructive criticism.--ForceFire 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Reverting out of spite?

Really? No one objected about this removal since August. It's not notable at all, and you literally reverted it back just because it was me who removed it months ago, despite everyone being fine with it back then. But at least I now know who's responsible for the trivia sections being so low quality. Tempest370 (talk) 14:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

I reverted it because it's basically the same trivia as on Gen VI's page and was removed with the same reason of "people are laughing at this".--ForceFire 15:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for confirming that your revert had everything to do with your hostility against me. Tempest370 (talk) 09:47, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Hyperspace Fury

I have a picture of Hoopa using Hyperspace Fury in the anime from the eighteenth movie. Is there any way by which this can be sent to you (your Bulbagarden forums page, for example) so that you or someone else can add it on the move's page, since, apparently, I cannot upload pictures by myself on Bulbagarden Archives. ... Or, by any chance, is it possible for me to put it on this talk page? Also would like to inform that the pictures shall have a Teletoon tag (to call it) at the bottom right corner, so are such pictures allowed on Bulbapedia?Harryghost (talk) 16:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Do you have an account on the forums? You link your Bulbapedia account to the archive which will automatically create a new accounbt under the same name on the archive (or so I think, don't remember).--ForceFire 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)