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Goh's Eternatus

Hey Force Fire. Can I get an update on User:Reinhartmax/Goh's Eternatus being mainspaced? Thanks.--Reinhartmax (talk) 15:04, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

No progress as of yet.--ForceFire 05:46, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Template edit request

Do you think the Battle Zone could deserve its own separate section on the {{Sinnoh}} template, similar to how the Isle of Armor and the Crown Tundra have theirs on the {{Galar}} template? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I think the Battle Zone is more connected with the Sinnoh mainland than IoA and Crown Tundra, so they shouldn't be separated.--ForceFire 05:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Shining Fates Page Creation

Hey there, Shining Fates (TCG) is pretty close to coming out and almost all, if not all, of the cards are confirmed now. I would do it myself, if I could, but I'm not there yet. Thanks! - unsigned comment from MasterEmerald (talk • contribs)

I'm sure a page will be made whenever someone can make it.--ForceFire 05:46, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Vandal

It appears that the user Luigisam is a vandal. They vandalized the talk page for Hidden Land so badly that it won't even open in the editor due to the size of the file (over 3k kilobytes), and I receive an error whenever I try to revert their edit. - unsigned comment from SpinyShell (talk • contribs)

Looks like it's been dealt with.--ForceFire 05:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Dynamicpokemaster (talk • contribs) made an inappropriate edit that I reversed. Probably counts them as a vandal. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:01, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Since it's one of their three edits, and they haven't edited since, I'd let it go for now. If they do it again, then they'll be warned.--ForceFire 16:41, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Chloe's Eevee

Given its role in JN049 and JN055, I was wondering if User:BigDocFan/Chloe's Eevee was notable enough to be mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 08:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

I would think so, it has had a notable role in a couple of its episodes and is basically Chloe's signature.--ForceFire 16:41, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I might have found a bug

When I try to click on the sidebar, nothing respond except the search bar and the other languages options. Is it a problem coming from Bulbapedia or from my navigator?Kristak (talk) 12:05, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Are you using mobile or desktop? Everything is fine on my end.--ForceFire 16:41, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Nevermind, it is functional again. Thanks for responding.Kristak (talk) 12:52, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

explain yourself

Cher is a blatant reference to the American singer, in fact it is one of if not the most blatant reference Pokemon's dub has done. I know you live down under but surely the people down there know who Cher is. I'm in England and I know who she is, so "speculation" my foot. In other words, obvious reference is obvious. Not including it is actually quite dumb because of this fact. Aden Singh (talk) 13:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Don't believe me forcy? take a look at the episode Beauties Battling for Pride and Prestige, then take a look at any Cher interview or acting gig. You'll see the same thing I do. Not sure what's available on the Aussie Netflix or how you guys get Pokemon down there, but take a look and see for yourself. I know Cher because my mum (RIP) was a huge Cher fan. It's not just the name, it's the particular voice that Hillary Thomas gives her. So it isn't "speculation" as you so smartly put it, it's a blatant reference. The only thing that would be more blatant would be giving her the surname Bono or Sarkisian. Aden Singh (talk) 13:56, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

GlowstoneLove

They're back and doesn't seem to have learned their lesson.Animaltamer7 (talk) 00:10, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Whilst they did add nonsense to the talk page, probably not enough to justify a block.--ForceFire 05:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

James Turner

Okay, I understand the Zigzagoon and Linoone placement, but shouldn't that mean Gigantimax Gengar should be moved as well? (BlazingTurtonator (talk) 18:42, 3 March 2021 (UTC))

Moved Gengar. I feel that users reading that list might assume it's going by production/generation order rather than it simply being listed by dex number, hence why I undid your edit.--ForceFire 05:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Chloe as a protagonist

I get what you mean that she's not been labeled a protagonist, but it's not like the show explicitly labels who's a main character and who isn't (aside from Ash of course). It usually depends on promotional trailers/marketing and appearances alongside Ash and Goh. Ever since Chloe caught Eevee, she's basically become a Trainer. Supporting anime characters would usually be a rival of one of the main characters, but recently Chloe has been accompanying Ash and Goh a LOT more than before, now that she has a Pokemon of her own. Crummymummy (talk) 17:05, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

The Japanese site. As you can see, Chloe is not listed under the main character section like Goh is.--ForceFire 05:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Let's keep that in mind if and when it updates to feature Chloe. Crummymummy (talk) 17:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Post on the /r/Pokemon subreddit

Hey, so you recently banned a user, User:Aden Singh. Well, they created a thread on the /r/Pokemon subreddit here claiming that the ban was unjustified and trying to rally support. I thought you might like to know and maybe step in to explain what happened, since you're named by the OP. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 23:16, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I came to check it out, the moderators r/Pokemon removed it already.Animaltamer7 (talk) 02:10, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Evolution Availability

It's basically confirmed that since the base form Pokémon are available in Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl/Legends: Arceus, that their evolutions will be as well, so there's no need to undo it. Pre-release or not, it's common sense that the evolutions will be present in the game's code, unless it's a special case like Yellow Pikachu (meant to emulate the anime) and Let's Go Partner Pikachu and Partner Eevee (meant to emulate Yellow).

As far as I'm concerned, this is not the case for Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl/Legends: Arceus.

I've decided already not to do this for Pokemon that appeared already in the original Diamond and Pearl because the wild encounter ratios and pools can vary in remakes. Crummymummy (talk) 17:52, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Pre-release info is still pre-release info, it does not go onto the pages until the games are released, regardless of common sense and they could still pull a "Yellow" for Legends.--ForceFire 05:46, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

User talk:MiltonPkc2730386‎

I replaced that page's content with {{subst:welcome}} because I want you to hide the first version of that page, because it contains personal information that can be valuable to criminals (e.g. address of residence). Can you do this? --Bfdifan2006_{something to say?} 13:11, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Done.--ForceFire 13:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Champion

No, I don't know how it works. What's wrong this time? That I added headlines in the table?--Rocket Grunt 18:42, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Such drastic changes to template structure need to be discussed before they're implemented. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:43, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Which change was drastic to you? It all felt like cosmetics.--Rocket Grunt 18:47, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes... you do know how this works. I've told you... many times before. Lots of times actually. If you plan making any changes to a templates layout, then that needs to be discussed. Don't just do as you please.

The changes you made weren't as drastic as the changes you would usually do, but it still needs to be discussed. You added a completely new column and shifted around the champion cells. That still counts as a big change. What specifically needed to be changed? The template is fine as is, the column you added and the reshuffling of Champions wasn't necessary.--ForceFire 03:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

You're just nitpicking and making it more difficult because I have to go and ask another admin and they are always fine with it. Don't revert my edits just because "I have no permission", everyone can edit these pages and correct them. Every change doesn't have to be "neccesary" to you, it may be neccesery for someone else, do you even care about that?--Rocket Grunt 08:17, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

And to toss it right back at you, just because you think it's a needed change, doesn't mean everyone else thinks it is. That's why you need to discuss any major changes you have in mind. The only one making it difficult is yourself by refusing to get other opinions on major changes before acting out on it. You have a history of making these kind of large edits without a discussion. It doesn't matter if you don't think it's a major change, any changes to a template/article's layout needs to be discussed. It's that simple.--ForceFire 16:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

It was just adding the headlines and I swap around some trainers so they will appear in their order of holding the title. So let's end this topic. Can I revert that back?--Rocket Grunt 19:11, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hero duo: Potential mainspacing

Hello, I don't know who to talk to about this but I've been working on an article in my userspace that I intended to possibly mainspace: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:ScraftyIsTheBest/Hero_duo

And I think I've mostly completed it and if the staff think it's good for mainspacing, this might be ready for it. If nothing else, I'd like to see what other people among the staff think about this being mainspaced. If not, that's totally cool too, I'd just like to see if staff can have some input about this before I make any attempts to move it to the mainspace. ScraftyIsTheBest (talk) 01:23, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Uploading a picture?

Hi! So, I was wondering how I can upload a picture onto Bulbapedia. I found a good picture of Sableye from the anime special "Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky - Beyond Time and Darkness" that I wanted to use on my User Page. Is there any way I could upload it onto Bulbapedia?
Gallade User 02:12, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

You must be autoconfirmed on the Archives. You can achieve so by editing file pages on the Archives a certain amount of time (it is kept secret). --Bfdifan2006_{something to say?} 15:57, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

How can I do that? I'm still trying to figure all of this out. I also got a screenshot of my Leavanny using Leaf Storm in Pokémon GO against a Landorus because I noticed that Leaf Storm in GO needed a picture.
Gallade User 17:27, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Ash's Bulbasaur gender

Could you say something here?--Rocket Grunt 22:24, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Absol's move

Goh's Absol most definitely used Razor Wind, even though it wasn't named. We saw the move's charging turn. I posted an image of it at the Bulbagarden Discord. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 22:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

It's a very generic charge that could apply to any move, even the ones that don't have a charge. Solar Beam's charge is at least unique to it.--ForceFire 04:40, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Razor Wind has a unique charging turn too, which was depicted very clearly in this episode. It was Razor Wind, no doubt about it. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

It's Absol gathering air, how is that remotely unique? Solar Beam gathers sunlight, specifically. A move gathering air is too vague and could easily be for anything.--ForceFire 11:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

That's exactly what Razor Wind does: it first whips up a whirlwind around the user, and then the move is actually executed. None of the other moves with a similar animation, like Psycho Cut, have this characteristic. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:17, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

There have been other moves used in the anime where the user gathers air to attack. It's not unique to Razor Wind.--ForceFire 12:25, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

It's the same move that Drew's Absol did when it performed a Razor Wind. It's definitely Razor Wind. Perhaps, just a suggestion, it would no longer be useful to leave the text with the move invisible and (if) Goh use it in battle, make it visible again. Anything leaving a notice asking not to change. Or change the rule for only moves used in battle or commanded / named by someone. Sorry if I look nosy.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 13:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

The problem with above statement is that Air Slash's recent animation in the anime is very similar to what Drew's Absol uses as Razor Wind back in AG. The game animation doesn't entirely help in this case, as it is still a bit questionable to judge without the chance of an error given how similar the two moves look/has looked over the course of time in both media. It'd be safe to wait for a verbal command for this one. Adil — Talk page 15:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

While there may have been many attacks that gather air around the user, I don't recall any other move that combines that aspect with the wine blades we see here. Not even Air Slash. Also, Air Slash tends to have a blue coloration. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

While blue, I still don't think said moves are visually that distinct. It's also not exactly a signature move that can be easily assigned to a specific Pokémon or take game animation as a damning evidence to back it up. In addition, it hasn't been identified even once in the current series. Hence, we should wait. Adil — Talk page 01:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Razor Wind is basically Absol's signature move in the anime, as in that Absol has used the move in the anime more than any other species. To me, that fact and the fact that this attack is white and not blue, in addition to the aforementioned charging turn (which, to me, is a dead giveaway to it being Razor Wind), are solid proofs of the move's identity. If it's confirmed as something else, couldn't it be changed then, instead of waiting for it to be confirmed as Razor Wind like I'm 100% sure it's going to be? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I feel like we are running around in circles. You're missing the point. I don't deny that there are things that support the move being Razor Wind, but I disagree that they are strong enough to support the claim with 100% accuracy. Once again, it is not visually distinct enough to make a final decision without there being the chance of an error. I'd rather prefer us to wait than having to rectify it later. If it gets verbally confirmed, then good. Until then, we should wait. Adil — Talk page 16:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Buttefree's gender

So I have problem with Goh's Buttefree, can we confirm it's male? Female Buttefree appeared in M20 (right before SM034) does that confirm any Buttefree since that time? --Rocket Grunt 22:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Goh's Butterfree is fine.--ForceFire 06:45, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Then Ash's should be too, look Talk:Ash's Butterfree, it also appeared after the female variant debuted.--Rocket Grunt 10:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

User:Hikaru Wazana/Clair (anime)

Hi, since Clair was shown as an important part of Iris until now and she has more participation than any leader in the Johto region, does this page have the requirements to go to the mainspace? I mean, counting flashbacks she already has appearances in at least 10 episodes in several arcs of the anime.Hikaru Wazana (talk) 13:10, 07 May 2021 (UTC)

Taking advantage of this discussion, I think I talked to someone from the staff at the time, today they announced that that series of Pokétoon shorts will be bigger. Even the official page already has a video starring a Pancham(more comprehensive and with human characters), the other was that of Scraggy

https://twitter.com/Pokemon_cojp/status/1391588833335119877

I want to ask, will something exclusive be done for this series as it was with Twilight Wings and Generations?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 04:07, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if Clair would be notable, she's only technically physically appeared in two series, the other appearances were small cameos. Try asking for second opinions.

This was brought up by a staff members some time ago. But if it's going to be a series, I think it's worth drafting an article up (I believe someone already did in their userspace, but don't remember who).--ForceFire 07:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

You didn't explain

why didn't you explain the reason even the other person help out. Two people wrote it. Never having encountered an aggressive Dragonite before, Ash's Dragonite exhibited hesitancy as it decided to battle for Ash against the aggressive Dragonite belonging to Iris.--Gian9456 12:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

A teacher of English gave me that. So you can't say grammar is wrong that be mean to say about my friend.--Gian9456 12:49, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

The person on top you responded today. Why not me. Im trying to be helpful but if beinfg treated like outsider or useless person then just say it. Don't treat me as no one. --Gian9456 23:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

well--Gian9456 22:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Question about Lance (anime)

What is the general consensus on Lance's current status in the anime (a Champion or former Champion)?

According to FinnishPokéFan92, Lance lost his Champion title, but outside of Lance being referred to as an Elite Four member in JN012 (which I don't feel is sufficient enough evidence), there doesn't seem to be anything that definitively states that Lance is a former Champion. After looking into edit history on various pages, Finnish seems to be the primary advocate for this as well.

While I adjusted the trivia on JN012's page as a compromise, I would like to know how staff feels about it. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 06:10, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Grid

Hello. I see you removed the grid I made yesterday. Could you give a reason why? I made it using better CSS displays to be adaptable to each screen size (especially the mobile website). — Lakelimbo (talk) 20:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

We don't make tables using <div> templates, it's not how we do things. I get that it's meant to make the table look better on mobile, but changing the coding for the entire table is not something that you can just do.--ForceFire 05:02, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Totem and Dynamax in anime debut list

Hi Force Fire, could you check the talk page for the list of pokemon by anime debut, since I'm wondering if they should really be considered enough for the list. Animaltamer7 (talk) 06:16, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Brought it up with the other admins.--ForceFire 06:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay thanks! Animaltamer7 (talk) 06:22, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry but i didn't get explanation. Been waiting patiently. Please--Gian9456 22:53, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Kelly Davis

I have not seen this actress' name in any of the credits in The Legend of Thunder. I did see Caren Lyn Manuel, and there are no other characters who sound like Stella from Winx Club. That's why I put down Manuel as the voice of Marina. Smartorama (talk) 23:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, but just because Davis wasn't in the credits does not mean you should just go by the credits and put someone else who was in the credits there. That's not how it works. The only legitimate source is to ask the voice actors themselves on social media. Not credit. Not playing by ear.--ForceFire 05:36, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Possible Kittystyler sockpuppet?

I believe MShines (talk • contribs) may potentially be a Kittystyler sockpuppet (talks about character relationships a lot and makes similar edits to other confirmed sockpuppets). Compare these two posts, for example. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 18:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

It indeed was, they've been dealt with.--ForceFire 18:17, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Ash's Lycanroc

Ash's Lycanroc and James's Weezing contradict each other when it comes to presenting their gender. I'll revert your edit tomorrow because you clearly don't udnerstand what you are doing.--Rocket Grunt 16:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, no. That's not how it's done. Just because there are contradicting articles, doesn't mean you can just change one of them to suit your liking. And no, you may not revert me without a response as you will be reverted immediate and may be blocked because you are already on thin ice about just reverting edits without discussion. I know exactly what I'm doing, and I'm following our policy, which you clearly do not like.--ForceFire 16:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

What I like is having policy and keeping consitency between pages what you are too sloppy for and always just revert my edits instead of fixing the whole problem. Finally you did, thank you. Don't worry, I'll make Misty's Psyduck, Ash's Greninja and Brock's Steelix consistent now.--Rocket Grunt 16:58, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Gust picture debate

BigDocFan, Finnish, and I have been trying to update the Pidgeotto picture to Journeys, but Pikablu insists otherwise and has continually reverted those edits. So far, my talk page discussion with Pikablu has gone in circles with no real consensus. Their argument seems to be that the older picture features Pidgeotto using Gust back when it was a Normal-type move and that it is more important than using an updated picture. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 17:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Despite us not reaching a consensus, they have decided to go on and edit more move pages for similar reasons. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

The problem I see about the anime move images is, the boss can only contain 4 images maximum, so with 7 series at present, three of them miss out and I feel more recent images are better than old ones.--BigDocFan (talk) 20:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I personally agree with that the newer image should be used. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I am also in favor of using the newer image. To be more accurate, I haven't reached a consensus with Pikablu specifically (as they will undoubtedly try to revert any attempts at changing it back). PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

(resetting indent)I've brought the issue up with the other staff members. I think we should be using a mix of old and new, to show how the move looked 10-15 years ago, even if some have used the same animation over time. Though Pikablu's reasoning of "showing it as its original type" doesn't hold water, as you have said, since you can't really tell a move was another type by just looking at it. It may be a good idea to make a sort of rule, because right now, it really feels like anything goes.--ForceFire 07:11, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Beelzemon 2003

I once left a notice for the user Beelzemon 2003 (talk • contribs) about using the preview button. However, just now, they've once again apparently neglected using it. Just letting you know. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:58, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Lavender/Shion Town Romaji

Hello. I noticed that on the Lavender Town article, Lavender Town's Japanese name has inconsistent transliterations. It is transliterated as "Cion" two times and as "Sion" once. Isn't シオン supposed to be transliterated as "Shion"? I've only seen it be read as "Shion" and the kana シ is always transliterated as "Shi". I thought "Shion" is the correct way to transliterated it. Regardless of how it's supposed to be transliterated, it should at least be consistent throughout the article. Dark Nymphia (talk) 02:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)