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Hey! I have a strong reason to believe [[::User:Sun2020|Sun2020]] ([[::User talk:Sun2020|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Sun2020|contribs]]) is yet another sockpuppet of [[::User:Kittystyler|Kittystyler]] ([[::User talk:Kittystyler|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Kittystyler|contribs]]). Sun2020's writing style for this edit to Ash Ketchum is extremely reminiscent of Kittystyler's old writing style for this edit to the same article. Do you think you can look into it? Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:20, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Why does Kittystyler refuse to give up? I find these repeated comebacks very tiresome. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:25, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Because they're a troll, especially considering they refused to even acknowledge the existence of their original talk page when they were still active here. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
They were indeed Kittystyler and have been dealt with.--ForceFire 05:46, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! :D GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:09, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Archive 10

I removed the link to an image that doesn't exist on the Archives in the topic I wrote. Special:Diff/3090821 --キーコン 10:08, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Template approval

If you have the time, please let me know if User:Daniel Carrero/Puzzle needs anything to be approved (any change in contents, layout, etc.). If/when possible, I'd like it to be moved back to the template namespace. I also asked about aproving it on Discord, though I'm still waiting to see if anyone will reply there.

I created that template and used it in these pages:

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 16:30, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

I think asking staff who has more knowledge on the side games would give a better opinion.--ForceFire 05:57, 10 January 2020 (UTC)


Hi Force Fire, thanks for adding Dragapult to the Pseudo-legendary Pokémon article (which I requested on Discord since I don't have edit access). The box for Dragapult is bigger than the other boxes in the first section, though. Qzekrom (talk) 18:55, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm aware that the Dragapult image is large, I did try to resize it to make it smaller (as to make the template even with the others) but felt that it made the image look too small and unidentifiable, so I just left it as is.--ForceFire 05:57, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Is there a way make it smaller for the section that shows all Pseudo-legendary Pokémon together? It jsut getting clutter up and hard to see them all.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 05:59, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
That's the section I was talking about. Felt that making the Dragapult image smaller made the image unidentifiable.--ForceFire 06:05, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Two things

  1. Why did you revert me at those pages about types?
  2. I'm still waiting for approval of these pages:

Please respond quickly. --TheICTLiker4 08:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

  1. Mass updates involving multiple article must be approved by a staff member. You can't just do as you please.
  2. None of those are up to standards, especially the latter.--ForceFire 09:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
  1. Okay. I will follow this rule, even while moving pages.
  2. Both pages are marked for mainspacing, and they're awaiting approval. “[...] especially the latter” — you are wrong, as some content is hidden by <includeonly> because if not, the page would be in categories reserved for move pages, and SnorlaxMonster has fixed that. --TheICTLiker4 18:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Granted I didn't really look at the coding and just saw the template as is and thought that it looked incomplete and far too different to that actual "NewX" templates that we have.--ForceFire 01:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
But what about the first page I listed in this subject (User:TheICTLiker4/E O)? --TheICTLiker4 20:00, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

What's the point?

Why did you revert my episode title changes? SM003 is CLEARLY a pun, that's not difficult to see at all. We've added pun titles before. So why not now? And the others were put in the correct order of the Japanese title (not the translations of them) and added with words that needed to be added, like "region", when region is clearly in the title and has been included in other episode titles that had the Japanese characters for the word "region" in them before? Why stop now? We don't NEED to rely off translations from people over at Serebii. Other people CAN add titles as well. If there's a problem with them, at the very least explain why, I'm so annoyed with you being angry at me. Playerking95 (talk) 09:43, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

And I've done nothing wrong to deserve this from just a single admin. Playerking95 (talk) 09:45, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
I rolled back your edit on the episode list article based off your SM003 edit. The other changes, while questionable, were fine. As for SM003, as we discussed before, not everything is a pun. "Fushigi da ne" can be an actual phrase. Just because "fushigi" is in the title, doesn't automatically make it a pun.--ForceFire 10:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Template edit request

Given the fact that Go is on a pretty constant catching spree, should the category for episodes in which a main character obtains a new Pokémon be included in the new episode template? Kinda like how the category for Mythical Pokémon appearances was included in it while Ash had Meltan/Melmetal in his active team? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:24, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

I've brought up the suggestion with the other staff members.--ForceFire 16:43, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Having the category there before the episode airs is a bit assumptious, especially if said episode isn't an episode where Go catches anything. So the category is not going in the template.--ForceFire 06:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Noise Reduction on Gen 8 Pokemon images

I've done some easy experimenting with noise reduction on the grainy Pokemon images in photoshop, with much improved quality. Was wondering if there was any reason this hasn't been done already. Lanthanum (talk) 05:42, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Pichu Posse members

Dear ForceFire,

I've been in the process of reviewing the appearances of the Pichu Brothers and their associates in the anime. However I noticed there were some Pokémon listed on the Pichu Brothers page as members of the Posse who wouldn't fit the description of being a "friend" and are simply recurring wild Pokémon such as Snorlax, Houndour and the Squirtle Squad. Feraligatr and Murkrow other recurring wild Pokémon, that are yet to have a mention anywhere, however their appearances are brief like the others. Should they have separate sections on the Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime page or should all the recurring Big Town Pokémon be listed on one page with the subsections "Pichu Brothers", "Pichu Posse" and "Other Big Town Pokémon"? Regards, PardescanSlowbro (talk) 13:41, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Why did you undo my Wedgehurst edit?

You didn't even leave a reason why.] ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 17:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

It's not notable. The other trainers "not noticing the Slowpoke" isn't notable either. The nurse knowing it isn't suppose to be some in-universe thing. Just like the bulletin boards in Black and White announcing the Pokemon outbreaks, it's not meant to be an in-universe thing where everyone in that universe knows about the outbreak (I don't recall other NPC characters commenting on the B/W outbreaks).--ForceFire 12:25, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Origins Corrections

Hello! I am new to bulbapedia and I saw you reverted some of my changes to the verb conjugation implying uncertainty in two different articles. You mentioned that I would be allowed to do this in the future in the case that I have an official source. What constitutes an official source in this case? I ask because I would be willing to write to someone (maybe a developer?) in order to get confirmation but I do not wish to do this if it is unlikely written confirmation would not count as an official source. Are interviews with developers acceptable? Ideally, if you could link me to some sort of list that includes examples of acceptable sources that would be very helpful for me. Thank you for your time. DeterministicSpaceRichard (talk)

An interview with the original Japanese (or Western, in James Turner's case) designer is the absolute source. An example would be the interview with Pikachu's designer where she revealed its origin. We don't have a list because interviews with the designers regarding Pokemon origins are scarce.--ForceFire 04:54, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

why did you revert my edit?

I'm completely new to editing this wiki and was wondering why you undid my first edit? You didn't leave a reason in the reversion's edit summary and I didn't think my edit was "bad". Is there some policy about the trivia/name origin section I don't know about? - unsigned comment from Twisted Code (talkcontribs)

I had already removed that previously, as I felt that it was not really necessary to point out.--ForceFire 05:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
By that standard, what makes anything else on this wiki "necessary", especially stuff in the trivia section? I don't really understand the line you're drawing, as it seems like it could go either way. Then again, I'm new here so what do I know?¯\_(ツ)_/¯--Twisted Code (talk) 18:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
If you don't mind me inserting myself, I think that that's a worthy trivia point. I didn't realize it until reading it here. It's the exact kind of thing I'd expect to see in a trivia section. --celadonk (talk) 19:31, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Trivia point, sure. Just don't think it's worth pointing out in the name origin section as the line before already conveys what is being said well enough without trying to be witty.--ForceFire 07:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
maybe we could move the "based on a unicorn" trivia point altogether then? Seems that point being in *specifically* the name origin subsection is the issue. I'd like to point out the pun one way or another, as I thought it was a clever quip from the developers.--Twisted Code (talk) 13:46, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Uh... no. That line is meant to be in the origins sections as it's detailing what Galarian Ponyta might be based off. The extra bit about "unique horn" isn't necessary.--ForceFire 06:38, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
... And "unique horn" supports that point that it "might be" based on a unicorn. I don't see what the big deal is here, or why one piece of trivia is more "necessary" than any other piece? Is there some sort of rule against acknowledging puns (even to support another point) or something? --Twisted Code (talk) 13:21, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
After a bit of thought and reading one of Wikipedia's (a.k.a. the mother of all wikis or "MOAW") policies concerning impasses like this, I've decided I'm willing to just leave it go. Mostly because I know you're an admin and I don't feel like challenging the "staff won't bite" claim in the template:welcome message, but also because this impasse is such an enigma to me that it doesn't feel worthwhile trying to understand it — especially in light of the policy I mentioned (which presumably also applies to any wiki created in the same spirit of collaboration). That said, please register and take into account my STRONG objection to your decision in this matter, and on that note, have a nice day :-)--Twisted Code (talk) 22:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Apologies for the late response. It saying that Galarian Ponyta might be based of a Unicorn is suffice enough, without the need to be witty or smart. Like I said, if anything, the pun goes in the main trivia section, not the name origin section. As for the Wikipedia policy, we are not Wikipedia. We do not share the same rules or guidelines (well, we might share some, but not all, and definitely not that one).--ForceFire 04:32, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I accept that explanation, though I'm struggling slightly to reconcile it with my original thinking (though in any case, my initial question is settled). As for the thing about Wikipedia: yes I realize this is not Wikipedia, nor is it a project belonging to Wikimedia; what I meant by what I said was that, as both wikis are, by nature, collaborative projects and that policy is conducive to cooperation, I felt it could be applicable here, not that it would actually be enforced because, as you said, this isn't Wikipedia. Sorry about that, I should've been more clear.--Twisted Code (talk) 19:10, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Sobble's Origin for Trivia Section

We know Sobble is based on a chameleon and it says that's it's Water-typing is based on the basilisk lizard, but here's another thing you could add which makes a lot of sense (like how it also connects to water). Below are the reasons/facts and links.

Because of its color scheme and type, Sobble could be based on the Veiled chameleon. Even though it's not aquatic, it has a special adaption to collect water in its habitat where there is little water. This species of chameleon has a casque (the helmet-like protrusion on top of its head) that collects water. At night, droplets of moisture roll down the casque and into the chameleon's mouth.

The way the droplets flow down the Veiled chameleon's face could give the illusion that it's crying which could explain the teardrop markings on Sobble's face. The adult males of this species have defined bands of blue and yellow. Those two colors are part of Sobble's color scheme.

Here are the links for more information: (As you scroll down, start reading where is says "A water-catching casque.")

Here is a picture of the adult male Veiled chameleon: Macpika (talk) 04:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Its behavior and appearance is similar enough, you can add it if you want to, just remember to use "may be based off" or "appears to be based off" rather than "is based off", since it's still speculation.--ForceFire 05:11, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Adding Tabs

ForceFire, How do I add tabs to pages? I want to add a trivia tab to a move page, G-Max Wind Rage. How do I do that? PeakA (talk) 18:33, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

How is that correct?

[1] Isn't it pronounced "home-ige"? Thus it should be "a" instead of "an". ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:20, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

You need to google how to pronounce it. It comes in two English-speaking flavors and isn't worth making a change for. Kai * the Arc Toraph 17:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry if I'm being a pest, but the first result I found is literally "hom·age". ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
And underneath that is how to pronounce it. "/ˈ(h)ämij/" The h is in parentheses for a reason. If you straight up google 'herb' like you did with homage, you'll get the same thing, even tho we don't say the 'h' at all. Kai * the Arc Toraph 17:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
I think you picked a poor example, because everyone I hear that says "herb" uses the "h". However, it's clear I'm not going to make any progress talking about this, so you'll probably be happy to know that I give up. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 17:40, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


Do you believe that Ōkido (オーキド) means anything in Japanese? Wc12271991 (talk) 22:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Pseudo-legendary Pokémon

Now that Ash has captured a Dragonite, can you unlock the Pseudo-legendary Pokémon page so I can add that information to it, please? Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 17:40, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

The pseudo legendary page is never getting unprotected. If an edit needs to be made, request it on the talk page of the article or go to an admin.--ForceFire 04:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


We have a vandal on the loose. Could you or some other admin do something about them? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Never mind. They were just dealt with. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

New page

Thank you,ForceFire for helping me out in the talk. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:25, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


Could the Wyndon Stadium article be split to have a subpage for the Champion tournaments the same way as "Pokémon League (Alola)" was split to have a separate subpage for Title Defense? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I've brought the suggestion up to the others. I personally wouldn't mind it being split, since the page is already large.--ForceFire 05:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Please let me know when a decision is made. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:55, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Recurring definition?

I'm confused. Please explain why Meowth was removed from the recurring wild Pokémon in the anime page? I agree that he is a main character, however he is also a wild Pokémon that has been featured in than one episode, meeting the recurring wild Pokémon criteria. Recurring means just that occurring again. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 13:52, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Meowth doesn't appear every now and then, he appears in every episode (bar B/W, but that has already come and gone), which is the direct opposite of being recurring.--ForceFire 16:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Speaking of other things not meeting the criteria … the list of Ash's temporary traveling companions has some questionable additions.
Ritchie was simply encountered and is listed even though his appearances over three episodes was part of the Team Rocket-Lugia arc, plus Oliver and Luka who appeared during the same period are not.
Zoey, while she appeared across multiple episodes in Snowpoint City, she simply met up with the group rather than traveled with them.
Dia is another questionable addition, and while he appeared in two episodes, it was only while Ash was in the alternate dimension. Your thoughts? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 23:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Can Mewtwo of the original series be added? It appeared in two main episodes and multiple specials. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:36, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Zeraora matches the definition of a recurring wild Pokémon: a wild Pokémon that appears in more than one episode and has some enough notable sort of involvement in the plot. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:46, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure if there is a criteria for Ash's temporary travelling companions, but I think the idea should be if they're with Ash for more than three episodes and travel from place to place, they should be added. Which I guess would discount Dia. Get second opinions.
I'm not sure if major movie characters count? I know there's Slowking there, but it doesn't play a major role in its movie. As for Zeraora, I think it comes down to how many episode appearances counts as "recurring". I don't think Zeroara as much as most of the Pokemon on the recurring article.--ForceFire 10:05, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I've sought a second opinion. Thanks for the replies on today's queries. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 10:55, 2 February 2020 (UTC)


I saw the change made to BW058. However I based those additions on the fact that Gym Leader's Pokémon evolving like Roark's Cranidos has been listed in the past, plus Chili is a recurring character and also the brother of Cilan. - unsigned comment from PardescanSlowbro (talkcontribs)

Roark's Cranidos evolving is notable as it effects Ash's battle with him. The additions you made to BW058 weren't that major and didn't need to be elaborated on.--ForceFire 09:54, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Upload problem

I belong to the autoconfirmed members group and recently created my userpage. I can't upload any images and it denied permission saying I must be autoconfirmed. Please look into this issue and I also have have a lot of images from the new series, that I want to upload!! Dhiwakar (talk) 11:27, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Image uploading is done over at the Archives, and you have to be autconfirmed over there. Autoconfirmation on the archives is separate than on Bulbapedia. So you have to make some edits on the Archives to become autoconfirmed.--ForceFire 12:40, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you ForceFire for your advice --Dhiwakar (talk) 15:37, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I have a doubt,is there any colour difference between Ash's Pikachu in the Japanese and English dub of the pokémon anime? Can you please say something about it! --Dhiwakar (talk) 15:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

About Dinamax/Gigantamax in the anime

When a Poké evolves, here it usually says "x took y episodes to evolve" or something. How will you do with Pokémon that reach that level?For example, I'm doing a Gyarados'page for Lance. I put something like Lance's Gyarados took xxx episodes to dinamax (is that the name we should put?)? Where is this kind of information going to be? In the box with the animal's information?Are there any rules or tutorials already done explaining this? I really appreciate it if you can help me.--Hilaru Wazana (talk) 13:54, 02 February 2020 (UTC)

That's probably not going to be noted in the infobox, we don't note "how long" it took for a Pokemon to Mega Evolve. If anything, that goes into the main history section of the article.--ForceFire 15:24, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you--Hilaru Wazana (talk) 16:08, 02 February 2020 (UTC)


Lance was mentioned as the Indigo league champion in the preview of SS012. But, the trivia of SS012 has a edit that says he lost his championship somewhere in the middle of the anime. Is it right? --Dhiwakar (talk) 16:30, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Please answer my question quickly Dhiwakar (talk) 14:10, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Trivia has since been removed as it needs to be verified if he states that he's an Elite Four member in the original Japanese version.--ForceFire 14:15, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry about that, actually Lance is mentioned as the member of Kanto Elite four by Go in the preview. I checked it and undid the edit in SS012. Hope you wouldn't mind about the undo and thank you, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:20, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

I've found Japanese sources describing AG097 that describe Lance as an Elite Four member in his Hoenn appearance as well. He indeed hasn't been referred to as a Champion since the Johto era of the anime. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:50, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Dhiwakar, please don't add back the trivia until the problem has been resolved. Finnish, if someone can find the Japanese episode and confirm it, I think that would be solid evidence.--ForceFire 17:02, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Okay ForceFire, I assure you I would not add it in the trivia until it is solved. Dhiwakar (talk) 17:09, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
If you don't mind, I shall ask something. Lance was mentioned as the member of Kanto Elite four in the preview of SS012. Isn't it enough to solve the problem? Dhiwakar (talk) 16:54, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm afraid you're missing the point here. We're trying to solve if he was referred to as an Elite Four members Pokémon in AG097, because that affects the piece of trivia you're wanting to add to SM012. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:02, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I get it now,thank you FinnishPokéFan92. Dhiwakar (talk) 05:45, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Question, out of curiosity

When you customize a signature, does that affect signatures that have been already submitted before said customization? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

No. The new signatures comes into affect after you've changed it.--ForceFire 09:29, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:38, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Delete, please

I recently moved Porygon's evolution category, following its Evolution item's new formatting. Could you delete the unnecessary redirect that was formed in the process? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:48, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Done.--ForceFire 13:02, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Now I've moved the category for Elite Four members' Pokémon to remove an unnecessary uppercase "M". Could you remove the redirect? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:23, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Done.--ForceFire 05:01, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Colour difference

Is thre any difference between Ash's Pikachu in the Japanese and English dub of the anime. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:40, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Please answer this question, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 13:53, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Not too sure what you mean here. Could be a number of factors.--ForceFire 06:45, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about that, i forgot to mention the word colour inthe above question. It was actually, " Is there any colour difference between Ash's Pikachu in the Japanese and English dub of the anime?". Dhiwakar (talk) 08:37, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of.--ForceFire 12:31, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:20, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Debut uncertainty

For movie 22, should cases like Gary's Pokémon on his page or Mewtwo on Viridian Gym's page have their debut appearances listed to be their main series debuts or M22? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:44, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Whichever one aired first in Japan. M01 (I believe aired first before EP063). Not M22.--ForceFire 06:45, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

User page

I want to move the usertag box to the right corner of my page. But I don't know how to do it. Can you please help with this!I won't edit it if you say it today itself,because I have already done three edits in my userpage!! Dhiwakar (talk) 09:53, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

The code containing the tags should go above everything.--ForceFire 12:31, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

I can't understand completely, can you show me a pic of it, please. Thank you ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:20, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

The table containing all your usertags should be placed above the first section. I.e. just swap the placement of your sections around.--ForceFire 14:58, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Can you see if have done it correctly, unfortunately I have wasted my edits and unable to delete the excess points and thank you, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 05:30, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

It's fine.--ForceFire 07:03, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 09:42, 9 February 2020 (UTC)


Isn't Pikachu Dynamaxing without going into it's pokéball, important? If it is too specific,it is notable right? I also have an intuition, that it has something to do with Eternatus. Moreover, it is supposed to go into the trivia. Thank you, ForceFire Dhiwakar (talk) 13:12, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

No, it isn't notable. It doesn't matter whether Pikachu returned to his Poke Ball or not.--ForceFire 07:31, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 13:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


Pokémon HOME reveals that Shiny Magearna doesn't have any paint on it, like the Magearna from the Sun & Moon series. Should it be considered a Shiny Magearna in the light of this new information? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:44, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

I would think so, if it's the most recent design of the Shiny form.--ForceFire 04:40, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
It is. Here is an image I found of the Shiny Magearna Sprite from HOME, while here in an image of the S&M series Magearna. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:25, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Based on those images, do I have your permission to classify Magearna as a Shiny in the anime? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
I'd say it's fine to classify it as a Shiny form of Magearna.--ForceFire 16:21, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:58, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Ash's Dynamax Band

Ash doesn't seem to wear the Dynamax band, continuously like the Z-Ring in the new series. Is it to be noted in the major events of SS014. Dhiwakar (talk) 15:00, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

No. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:19, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Ash not wearing his Z-Ring anymore wasn't a major event. And it's likely he'll just wear it when he's in Galar and can actually use it. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:20, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I wasn't asking about the Z-Ring. I just wanted to ask about the Dynamax Band, whether not wearing it continuously must be noted, if not in major events atleast in trivia! Hope you understand. Dhiwakar (talk) 16:13, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I used Z-Ring as a comparison. And him not continuously wearing it is definitely not major event worthy. Not sure about trivia worthiness either, but we'll see. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, FinnishPokéFan Dhiwakar (talk) 13:46, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about that edit, ForceFire. I added it because FinnishPokéFan92 was not sure about trivia worthiness,also I didn't do it on purpose. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Help me

I am getting a blank of space in my userpage. How can remove it? If you want a clear picture of my query,see my userpage. Thank you, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 17:28, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

It's because the Ash's Pokemon template is stretching the page due to it's size.--ForceFire 01:35, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
It was there before adding the template. How to clear it? I see there is no space in your page,eve though you usertags. Thank you,ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 13:42, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
There's always going to be whitespace on your userpage because their are things stretching the page, the template or the usertags prior to you adding the template. If you want to get rid of the whitespace, you can use the "expandable" tags to hide the templates or usertages so there's less whitespace.--ForceFire 15:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 13:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Deleting sandbox article

Hey! It's been a while. I created a sandbox article for the Pikachu in a cap article, but it seems someone's already beat me to the punch. Mind deleting it for me, please? Thanks! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:12, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Done.--ForceFire 12:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. :) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 11:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Minor disagreement

In SS013, Ash loses a battle for the first time in 54 episodes, a rarely and possibly even never before seen long streak for him. I think this should be noted in the episode's trivia section, but GrammarFreak01 disagrees, saying it's not notable. What's your opinion? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

You should've made it clear that 54 episodes was the longest period of time Ash has gone without a loss in the anime, because I did not know this. I'll restore the edit with the necessary addendum. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:37, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I did not say that because I wasn't sure. I only figured it was notably long. And I may have just discovered an even longer lossless period for him from the XY series (from XY036 to XY106). --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:47, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


[[::User:RedneckAnimeGeek|RedneckAnimeGeek]] ([[::User talk:RedneckAnimeGeek|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/RedneckAnimeGeek|contribs]]) has made excessively many edits on Hop and Leon's pages. I tried to notify them on their talk page to use the preview button and lessen the amount of their edits, but their actions did not change. Could you help? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

GaOlé Hello, can these images be placed on Archives and consequently placed on the pages of the respective characters?They are from the Ga Olé game with the theme of the new anime series.Hikaru Wazana (talk) 12:15, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Reinhartmax's categories

[[::User:Reinhartmax|Reinhartmax]] ([[::User talk:Reinhartmax|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Reinhartmax|contribs]]) has just created categories for Trainers with giant, Fossil, and baby Pokémon. I personally can see the notability in the first one and maybe in the second one, but not really in the last one. What's your opinion? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 22:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't think all three are notable. I've brought it up to the staff, and gave Reinhartmax a message to cease making more categories.--ForceFire 05:32, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I won't mind if all three of them were removed, so no objections there. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Has the staff made a decision yet? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:51, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Not yet. It got put off to the side for other things.--ForceFire 04:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Is this subject still waiting to be solved? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Can those categories be removed? Has a decision been reached yet? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:08, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Discussions regarding this has kinda stalled. Though I think it's rather clear that they aren't needed. I'll be deleting them in a bit.--ForceFire 12:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:25, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Process for reporting an admin

Hey! Is there a formal process to report an admin for shirking their duties? I've been trying for months to talk with Ataro about an editing style that I strongly disagree with, which led to what I believe to be an unnecessary three-day block on my end. Ataro responded, and this was my response. For months, I haven't received another response from them. I am led to believe Ataro is ignoring me on purpose because they have responded to other talk page messages, but not mine. They have also been active many times since that initial response, so it would've been absolutely difficult for them not to see all the talk page notifications that were sent by my many attempts to contact them.

I find it hard to believe they were unaware of all of that. If there was supposed to be another, more appropriate way to reach them, then my apologies; I didn't know. But nevertheless, I find it absolutely disgusting that this admin would engage in such selective behavior. Trying to contact them even before they initially responded was an extremely tedious debacle, and by this point, I am absolutely done with their conduct. I'd like to see if there's a formal procedure to address this. Thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 11:05, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

If you have a concern about a staff member ignoring you, you can bring it up to either the Editor in Chief (Kogoro) or the Deputy Editor in Chief (Pokemaster97).--ForceFire 13:17, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. :) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:48, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


Hello, why is it that you removed my Shadow Lugia base stats from the Shadow Lugia page? Those were the real base stats so they had no reason to be changed. Email me at [email protected] with your reply. - unsigned comment from Gamer PROJonah (talkcontribs)

It was improperly formatted. See how the base stats on other articles are done.--ForceFire 04:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Vandal alert

It looks like [[::User:Justin Bibarel|Justin Bibarel]] ([[::User talk:Justin Bibarel|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Justin Bibarel|contribs]]) is going to be nothing but a vandal. Take care of it? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:34, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Never mind, SnorlaxMonster took care of it. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:41, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


Is the title of SS017 is "Something happens to Hibanny". I saw the news about this in Twitter. So, I want you confirm the truthness of this fact. Because I can't edit unless I have proof about it,right! Dhiwakar (talk) 09:04, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi,ForceFire please answer my question! Thank you. Dhiwakar (talk) 04:17, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Where did you get the title from?--ForceFire 06:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not completely sure about the title. I saw it in #anipoke in twitter. Hence, I asked you if you're aware of it. Dhiwakar (talk) 08:24, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
A simple Twitter hashtag is not a reliable source. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not trying to prove my fact,I was just confirming it here. Also,it is the official hashtag of the Pokémon anime. The tweets may not be reliable, I accept. Hope you understand my point of view GrammarFreak01. Dhiwakar (talk) 15:24, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Don't worry about it,since we got the title. Thank you ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 03:50, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Gary's Journey

Hi, please, I wanted to understand why the change was reversed with Gary's page. Why no other human character has the separation between Kanto / Johto / Hoenn or anything like that anymore. The marking says "Orange Islands", but Gary was never said to have been on the islands. And the page is about Gary's point of view, isn't it? What's the point of keeping that with Gary only?Shouldn't that be standard for everyone?Hikaru Wazana (talk) 15:17, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Could've sworn we also split the history sections of human characters too, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I've reverted myself.--ForceFire 15:34, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

List of references to Pokémon in popular culture edit

Hello there. May I ask as to why you have deleted my writing on this page? If you would have given me some more time, I would have fixed up my own work, rather than someone else deleting it. Could you please explain as to why you have deleted this specific section? I recognise that some of my information is incorrect, and I would have fixed it up myself. If there is an alternate section where you want me to put it under, I will be more than happy to do this change. Thank you for taking the time to read this, and I hope you recosider your reversion. BlueDecoRoller (talk) 01:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

As I said in my edit summary, passing mentions are not notable. It has to be more than just a namedrop.--ForceFire 06:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
As an alternative, could I add my information here instead? I could create a new section for Books, comics and Manga, and put it in there, along with a stub. What do you think? If you approve, I should have it done by 06:00 03/05/20 (UTC). Hopefully. BlueDecoRoller (talk) 21:51, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
It's fine there.--ForceFire 04:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
All fixed. Thank you for clarifying as to where I should put it.BlueDecoRoller (talk) 06:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Focus on Ash

Isn't SS013 an episode focusing on Ash. I don't know how to add it in the Category: Episodes focusing on Ash. If it is an episode focusing on Ash,could you add it in the category for me, ForceFire! Dhiwakar (talk) 08:26, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Not really.--ForceFire 04:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 15:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Appearance info for Series-exclusive Recurring Characters:


I wish to clarify whether all appearances for recurring characters in a particular series should be documented. This comes in the wake of GrammarFreak01 restoring deletions made to Abe, Sarah and Harper and Anela's pages of otherwise unimportant or minor appearances, plus Poké Problem scenes which have little to do with the respective episode plots. As such I'd prefer for these changes to be reverted to make for a succinct article. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:15, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

I disagree with making articles such as those succinct. It needs material to fill it up, otherwise it'll be painfully short. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:16, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Only major appearances should be noted, if they didn't do much and was simply a background character, then it's not notable. And the Poke Problem segments are clearly not notable at all. It doesn't matter if it's too short, Reggie has appeared quite a few times and his article isn't that long. Quality over quantity.--ForceFire 12:22, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 12:48, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
So would this have to apply to every recurring character article, including those who only had major roles in just two episodes like Savannah and Sandra? If not, what's exactly the limit? Which recurring character articles have to be succinct and which ones don't have to be? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
If they contributed to the plot of the episode, then it's notable. And it counts for every recurring character, it doesn't matter of one page is longer than the other. That's simply not a problem.--ForceFire 09:38, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
GrammarFreak01, the examples you gave were deliberate cameos, which are different from background appearances of the examples I explained. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:42, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Allow me to rephrase, then: is the mention of cameos and flashbacks notable for all recurring characters' histories, or not? That's among the material that's being contested in Abe and Sarah and Harper. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
If they are important cameos or flashbacks.--ForceFire 09:50, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
How so? Examples? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:52, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
If they are important to the plot of the episode, then it's notable. If they didn't do anything at all, then it's not notable..--ForceFire 09:57, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Okay, gotcha. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

The trivia

The music from the trailer of the new series was used in SS014,when the egg containing the Golurk emerged from the underground of the ruins. Could it be treated as part of trivia of SS014, as we treated the use of Gym battle theme from SwSh. If it is a part of trivia, can you add it in the trivia of SS014 for me,as I don't really know how to frame it properly for the trivia. Dhiwakar (talk) 15:09, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

It's not a notable piece of music, so it's not notable.--ForceFire 15:40, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

User YayBoy7 vandalizing the site.

I think you should have access to the last changes, the user in question started to vandalize the pages of some users and places and characters with bad words. I tried to modify what I could, but I couldn't prevent other changes and as I don't know if it is possible to report here, it probably must have happened without me seeing it. 01:43 Hikaru Wazana 05 March 2020


I appreciate you protecting SS017's page for the time being. But could I request you'll remove the last edit that was there before the protection took place? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:58, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Eh, if it wasn't hidden, then I'd remove it. But since it's hidden, so it's doing no harm. It can be removed/corrected once the protection expires.--ForceFire 12:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Lugia (Pocket monsters)

In SS020,the Lugia from the second episode of the series is going to appear. Can we categorize this Lugia as a recurring character in the anime? Dhiwakar (talk) 15:32, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

I also wanted to ask you one more question,i.e How do I join in Project anime? Dhiwakar (talk) 15:44, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Once the episode airs. "Joining" projects is an out of use thing, everyone is editing under a certain project, regardless of them "joining" it. Though you can still add the "User is a part of Project..." usertags to your userpage if you like.--ForceFire 16:07, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
I get the idea about it now. You mean that the edits under the anime pages are part of Project anime. Thanks a lot, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 17:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Item Sprites

Hey, I've made a suggestion here Template talk:Bag2. What do you think about it?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 22:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

User edit-warring on an article

I've got [[::User:Kirigayaray|Kirigayaray]] ([[::User talk:Kirigayaray|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Kirigayaray|contribs]]) continuously reverting my own reversions of the Pokémon world in relation to the real world article. I've talked with them about going to the talk page to discuss the contested edits, but they still made a reversion. Would you mind intervening, please? Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

The entire article is speculation, so it's fine for them to change it within reason. If you feel that their edits are wrong, then go to their talk page or the talk page of the article. Would also help if you had knowledge on what those areas the location is supposedly based on. That way, your reversion might hold water.--ForceFire 09:48, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Recurring character categories

Hey! Since I noticed there's an entire set of categories for characters of the day, I was wondering if we could create the same for recurring characters in the anime. I feel like they could use some further categorization and distinction. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

The main anime characters category covers those fairly well, in my opinion.--ForceFire 05:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
But it's already so hard to look for some of them, like Savannah. I think we need such categories. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:12, 13 March 2020 (UTC)


Why did you delete Category:Pages with ignored display titles, even though I think it is needed? --TheICTLiker4 11:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

No... it's not needed.--ForceFire 05:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)


Hi, I'm putting together a custom template for the characters that will be in the world competition. Some details are still needed, but I would like to know the opinion of the site staff. Is there any chance of being approved? Is it worth it to keep doing this?My inspiration is something that I saw on sports websites. I thought it might be interesting given the importance of the event. Here is an example:

This marks the position that Trainer _____ took in the world ranking:

Pokémon World Championships logo.png
Pokémon World Championish

Bag Poké Ball Sprite.png

Normal Class

Bag Great Ball Sprite.png

Super Class

Bag Ultra Ball Sprite.png

Hyper Class

Bag Master Ball Sprite.png

Master Class
Ranking position Not Avaliable Top 999 Top 99 Top 8

What do you think?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 16:17, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Initially thought this was for the TCG worlds tournament thing, so there was a bit of confusion on my end. I've asked and the judgement was that it's a bit too early for such a template, when we know very little of it and its competitors. Maybe once that gets revealed it could be used.--ForceFire 12:14, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Let's Go plot description

I personally think the plot description [[::User:Kahchun|Kahchun]] ([[::User talk:Kahchun|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Kahchun|contribs]]) wrote for Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee today isn't up to code. Do you agree? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:21, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Articles for the Mainspace

Hello. I'd hoped for a response from Abcboy or G50, in regards to some of these pages which are ready to be mainspaced, hopefully you can help.

Regards PardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:55, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Legend festival should be fine.
  • The PokeStar competition article should detail its competitors like the other competition articles.
  • Same as above.
  • Marina group should be fine.
  • (not sure why it's a subpage of Pershie) Protectors is fine, though is looking bare without a navigation template.
  • Bloom Canyon could do with a bit more, but if nothing else major happens there, then I guess it'd do.
  • Flower Garden Troupe is fine.
  • Pokemon Training Center is fine.
  • Unnamed Island is fine, again navigation template would help it look nicer.
  • Big Town Pokemon needs further discussion about splitting it off from Pichu Brothers.
  • Pershie didn't do much, and didn't really have an impact in any of the episodes it was in. Not notable.--ForceFire 12:14, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Just confirming, Bloom Canyon had a brief appearance in the episode.
Anyway, I've made those suggested changes, the pages are now ready for the mainspace. Thanks for the reply. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 07:45, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I've noticed only two pages have been mainspaced so far. When will the other approved pages be uploaded to the mainspace? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:40, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Apologies for that, all the approved articles have been moved.--ForceFire 10:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Much appreciated, thanks. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 10:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Professor Burnet

Her name is Burnet, which comes from the Japanese name. Profesor is her title/occupation, not part of her name, so it's not counted.

Thank you for this explanation while you “rollbacked” these edits, this will be useful in my future contributions. --TheICTLiker4 18:44, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Mythical pokémon pics

Hi! I'd like to know the ratio over using promotional images of past mythical pokémon in the general page while the latest ones have to use the Sugimori artwork. I edited it because I thought it looked better and more cohesive. Thank you! --Criққѳ~* 16:58, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Gen 8 Sprites

Hi do you think we should start on the gen 8 sprites now and use the front sprites such as Grookey's front sprite

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and upload the backsprites later? I apologize about my wording and English BTW (Mr.GodzillaMan (talk) 16:27, 17 March 2020 (UTC))

New vandal alert

Hey! We've got [[::User:Yeety|Yeety]] ([[::User talk:Yeety|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Yeety|contribs]]) being a vandal here. Take care of it, please? Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:27, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Now this person's directly harassing me on my talk page and spreading lies about me on other users' talk pages. I need assistance! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Never mind, Abcboy took care of it. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:52, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Rillaboom's Drumsticks

I know that Rillaboom carries its drum on its back, but where does it keep its drumsticks? The leaf-like fur near its hands (like how Delphox keeps its branch in the fur on its arm)? Macpika (talk) 17:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Totodile’s Tackle

Excuse me, I already know which episode Ash's Totodile used Tackle, and Duplica's Mini-Dit did the same, but why did it get reverted? Dub edits or something?--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 19:03, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Was it stated or are you just guessing? I don't particularly remember the episode.--ForceFire 05:08, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
It was stated. I’ve seen that episode for a very long time.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 07:13, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


You can't just delete a fan theory from a paragraph designated to fan speculation. And why isn't Relicanth a map?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 16:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Do not edit war. Wait for a response. No response does not mean you can just add it back. Have patience.
I already said why on Relicanth's talk page. It's an opinion. Relicanth's body design looks nothing like the map of Hoenn. And it's a very large stretch to say that its design is why it's needed to unlock the Regis when the far simpler and probable reason is because it's a living fossil Pokemon.--ForceFire 17:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not saying it's a map of Hoenn, but it surely is a map. Being brown (like old maps), having unexpleined by any other mean red spot, being unchanged for centuries and always placed sideway instead of heading the player in game sprites, all these things together suggest that. And as a theory of Hoenn map, even if you can't see it, it has no reason to not be added under speculations.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 20:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
It would make more sense if it looked like the map of Hoenn, otherwise, it's just a random design. Again, all of those are a stretch when the more simpler and probable reason is because it's an ancient Pokemon. It still needs to be reasonable speculation, and the whole map thing just isn't.--ForceFire 01:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Bulbapedia Rework

Hello, Force Fire. My name is Xeraphyy. Last month, a tweet was made announcing that Bulbapedia was going through some site upgrades. The link to the tweet is below.

I was wondering if the site upgrades are still continuing. Do you know of the status of the rework? Please get back to me when you can. Xeraphyy (talk) 18:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Raichu's gender

May I ask why the gender of Visquez's Raichu can't be confirmed? It's a Raichu that was first seen after gender differences were implemented, we've seen Pikachu's gender differences before, and her Raichu's tail clearly was that of a male Raichu. I personally fail to see the reason to not consider its gender confirmed based on its tail. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:58, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

That's Pikachu's gender difference. Not Raichu's gender difference. Just because one gender difference has been acknowledged, does not mean the others exist. They still need to be acknowledged by the animators. They could easily acknowledge one difference but not the other, because they can just be like that sometimes.
A female Raichu has appeared in the anime, but it was drawn with a male tail (Tierno's). So we still can't use gender differences, until the female variant Raichu appears in the anime. Other than that, it needs to be explicitly stated or hit with attract/cute charm. But you know that already.--ForceFire 01:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Oh, right. I had completely forgotten about Tierno's Raichu. Sorry. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
How is Tierno's Raichu a cetain case? I've ask about this here.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 11:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hikaru Wazana

Me and FinnishPokéfan92 have been having some trouble with Hikaru Wazana, mainly on the Archive section with him uploading images that aren't the right size or quality, adding more work for us and other users. I've spoken to Chosen and Abcboy about this but haven't had any response. Was wondering if you could look into it? I'm bringing this up now as he's starting making more work on this side of Bulbapedia, notably the Elite Four‎‎ and Casey's Meganium pages.--BigDocFan (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

I didn’t upload anything to Casey’s Meganium page, the only thing I did was expand the page, which YEARS passed without anyone putting anything relevant about her role. The other uploads I made with images with the best quality I got, unfortunately I can't change them with the standard quality. If the images of the E4 you are talking about are those of the Pokemon Puzzle League, unfortunately I couldn't get any better, so I wondered if it was better to add content or not. I chose to add the content.

What should I do? There is a page that, as notable as it is, no one takes the trouble to update. It seems that people care more about putting Trivia than really supporting the site. The other day I sent you the screencaptures of a hosted site, but doing that for all the ones I get is an extra job. I don't want to give extra work to the people who collaborate here,Hikaru Wazana (talk10:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't pay too much attention to the archives side of things, so any issues should be brought up with someone that spends more time over there. As for Hikaru's edits here, they're fine. If they feel like a page can be expanded, they are free to expand it to the best of their abilities.--ForceFire 12:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


So why exactly you reverted back the table for Pokemon that evolve depending on gender? It wasn't big edit, not even mine.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Because it wasn't necessary. Not every page have to have the same template design. You also made a large scale edit without consulting others on the talk page, like you usually do. If you want to suggest a drastic change, always propose it on the talk page first. Don't just do as you please.--ForceFire 08:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm too convinced that Bulbapedia's style should be precise and consistent as it is on most of pages already. Do you have any reason for this page to not be like the others? Because there is one reason for and zero against. Also, I do many bigger changes by myself because my questions and suggestions are rarely answered and when they do there is almost no reason presented. For example you still haven't answered my question about Tierno's Raichu.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 16:31, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Don't just go ahead with making largescale edits just because no one responds, that does not give you the privilege to just make the edit anyway. Wait for a response. The evolution chain is not the point of that section of the article, so there is not needs for a template that showcases an entire evolutionary line. The article is about gender, so it shows the different gender specific Pokemon. Evolutionary line has nothing to do with the article. And Tierno's Raichu is confirmed female because the original version stated that Attract failed on Blastoise because Blastoise was male.--ForceFire 16:55, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
If there is no point in showing whole evolutionary line, then why don't you simplify it in the same way on other pages? And if Tierno's Raichu is confirmed female then why don't you mention that on page of Visquez's Raichu that it is the reason for not giving him gender. It's really annoying how you're making decisions you're not fully abide to.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 15:16, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Just leave it. It's fine the way it is and gets the point across just as well. The point is to show the evolution method and the gender specific forms, since the section is titled "gender based evolution", and using the artwork shows the differences much more clearly than a minisprite. That and your template makes it inconsistent in design with the template right below it.--ForceFire 16:17, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
And as I said, they don't all have to have the same template design. Some pages can have unique templates designs depending on the article. There is no inconsistency issue.--ForceFire 16:21, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


Honestly just a small issue I spotted regarding Urshifu's page, where the Tower of Darkness and Tower of Waters are referred to as the Temple of Darkness and Temple of Waters in the evolution box. It's a minor error, but it bothered me, so I made an account specifically to try to fix it, but of course it was protected, which I didn't realize was a thing because I didn't ever consider it. Anyway, just something I felt obligated to point out for the sake of accuracy. Thanks for your time reading this. --ArcaneCrystal (talk) 07:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Fixed.--ForceFire 08:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

List Grammar

On the Normal (type) page, you reverted my edit to the sentence, "Their inability to hit Ghost-type Pokémon can be nullified by using Foresight, Odor Sleuth, or by Pokémon with the Ability Scrappy." That's a list of two nouns (Foresight and Odor Sleuth) and a prepositional phrase ("by Pokémon with the Ability Scrappy"), which just doesn't work, or a list of two prepositional phrases ("by using Foresight" and "by Pokémon with the Ability Scrappy") and a noun (Odor Sleuth), which also just doesn't work. (At least, it doesn't work in American English; I don't know about other major dialects.) Matthias von Schwarzwald (talk) 16:41, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

"In the movies"?

Dear ForceFire,

I noticed several of the anime characters that have been featured in the Pokémon movies have sections titled "In the movies", while most are "In the anime". Is there a reason for this, or should it all be standardized to one format?PardescanSlowbro (talk) 07:28, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

If they've featured in both the main series and the movie series, then it should have two subsections for anime and movies (order goes by whichever they first appeared in). Movie exclusive characters get a history section.--ForceFire 08:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Pokémon seen sections for anime locations

Dear ForceFire,

I would also like to clarify what Pokémon are typically included in the Pokémon seen sections of the location pages. While I think we can do away with these sections entirely due to differences in formatting and non-specific images as some appearance have only occurred in a group. I've noticed that some Trainer owned Pokémon are included in these segments, especially locations that hosted Contests, should it only be wild Pokémon and Pokémon known to actually reside in the area with their Trainer? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 07:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I think the section is necessary to showcase what Pokemon reside in the area. Multiple images of the same thing for individual Pokemon isn't a problem. It should ideally just be for wild Pokemon. I don't think a trainer's Pokemon being at a location counts, since it technically doesn't reside there (not sure why a contest location would have a section for that).--ForceFire 08:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Tracey's Scyther

The Grammarfreak user insists on putting a "Johto" section for Tracey's Scyther. Since Tracey didn't have a "Johto Journey", does that make any sense?I mean, the Johto and Kanto level is not separated with Kanto arc and Johto arc unless the respective Pokémon has a journey in such a place (Gary's Eevee, Gary Arcanine they are like that as far as I'm concerned, right?).

Doesn't the page just list the point of view of that respective character?Even if you allow me, I think the division should be just in the anime saga (something like Original Series, Advance, Diamond and so on). As is done even in the manga section. In this case of Tracey, what is the point in creating a section to detail a journey it did not take?I don't know I managed to put my point of view correctly, I apologize if you may have been a little confused.Hikaru Wazana (talk10:30, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

The history is only separated by region if they have appeared in that region, yes. Though, in the case of Scyther, it did appear after the Orange Island arc but in Kanto and not Johto. I think renaming the section "Kanto", "Other", or "post Orange Islands" would be more appropriate.
The region specific separation should only be for Pokemon that appeared in two different regions in an arc (so Hoenn and Kanto for AG, Kanto, Orange, and Johto for OS, so on so forth). If the Pokemon has done something notable or important in a region, then it should be noted.--ForceFire 12:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

New titles of new series

SS021 - Hit Your Mark, Wave Guidance! Satoshi and the Mysterious Egg!!(12/4)

SS022 - Farewell, Rabbifoot!(19/4)

SS023 - Massive Panic! Sakuragi Park!! (26/4)

These are the new titles. Could you confirm and them in the list of new series episodes. - unsigned comment from Dhiwakar (talkcontribs)

Don't worry about it, ForceFire. It's already added. Thank you. Dhiwakar (talk) 13:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


I was wondering that should the Battle Frontier facility info templates be edited to include the possibility of a battlefield section, like with Gym info templates, and the game image of the facility in the template be replaced with the anime image, if possible. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:22, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

While I wouldn't be against it (I only really checked the Battle Pyramid article, and an anime image would be a better alternative), tryask for second opinions.--ForceFire 05:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Blazingfist has also agreed to the idea. Should I ask some more users, or is this fine? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:30, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
If you'd like, you can make a mockup in your userspace and I can get the Editorial board to check it.--ForceFire 15:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
I created a mockup here. I mainly just added another image section to the bottom of the template. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:10, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
I've brought it up with the editorial board, waiting approval.--ForceFire 04:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Does not explain name origin?

howdy, Force Fire. i'm just here to ask you, why have you removed my edit on Hawlucha's page? i was thinking it'd be possible that a Matador (Bullfighter) puts the "bull" in Luchabull. which is why i added it in the name origin. was there something wrong with it? ----i n u k o i n u (talk) 19:37, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

It did not explain how the word "matador" itself is incorporated into the name. The relevance to bulls is already mentioned with just "bull" before it.--ForceFire 05:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
oh, i really wanted to add how i thought it meant but i guess not. i'm still just a bit new at this so, sorry. heh. ----i n u k o i n u (talk) 13:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Ash Ketchum page split suggestion

Hi Force Fire, I've started a proposal on Ash Ketchum's talk page about splitting it into different pages and I would like to hear from you as Senior Administrator! Thanks!--Criққѳ~* 15:08, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Cynthia (anime)

I was wondering if it might be worth giving Cynthia her own anime page or start work on one at least.--BigDocFan (talk) 11:54, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to use another user's conversation, but as the subject is the same ... Well, I started creating a page for Korrina. I wanted your opinion, should I continue with it? I think that here I could start making more exclusive pages for the counterparts of some characters, mainly to relieve the space of some "official" pages of some. Because here there are a lot of pages I could gain from this, as the tidy could be more detailed and the main page would stay with only the basics.
I think the site has a problem that many people prefer to fill the pages of Trivias, but do not put relevant content on the same page. This happens very often on trainer's Pokémon pages (Maylene's Lucario for example). But even relevant characters went through this, the page of the matriarch of Village of Dragons was almost a summary and did not even have all the character's participation. Bulbapedia could create a stricter rule for placing Trivias on the pages. I mean, it's just a suggestion.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 23:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
I agree that some more Gym Leaders might necessitate sub-articles for their anime counterparts and so on and so forth, not just those who accompanied Ash on his journey. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:24, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
I think both Cynthia and Korrina are notable for their own article, though I suggest adding something to the "pre-series" section of her page before moving first.
As for anime articles for game characters, only if they've played an important role and appeared in more than a few episodes, obviously Surge, Roxanne, and Clay aren't notable for anime articles. If you have any suggestions, you can always start one up in your userpage and the staff will take a look.--ForceFire 15:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Went to mainspace Cynthia, but got this message. You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason:
A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name.--BigDocFan (talk) 15:41, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
I did the pre-series section and put content from episodes that were not included in the main article, as you suggested, Force Fire. If someone wants to coordinate efforts and make pages for characters notable enough for the page, I volunteer. I'm already making some Pokés for some characters.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 21:04, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
I have moved both Cynthia and Korrina to the mainspace, though cynthia could do with an introductory paragraph, like the other anime character articles...--ForceFire 04:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
What are the rules for a character to get his own page? I mean, there is one, right?I know some people made a page for Hau, I have one in progress for Steve Stone. I believe that Clair has what is necessary, but it would be good to have an official opinion so that we don't have to make a lot of pages that we don't need. What rules do they use in the manga section? Would Morty, Norman, Roark, Gardenia or Brandon be notable?Sorry about the lot of questions. LOL.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 15:04, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
There isn't a hard notability rule for anime characters as there is for anime Pokemon, though some of the rules there would probably apply. Basically they must appear from more than a few episodes, play an important role in the series, and do more than just battle the main characters. Norman and Brandon could be notable, but not the others you mentioned.--ForceFire 05:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Created a page for Brandon, was wondering if you could have a look.--BigDocFan (talk) 08:43, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Both Steven Stone and Brandon are fine to be mainspaced, both played a major role in their series.--ForceFire 09:53, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
I personally disagree. We don't need to create such an excessive amount of separate pages. Cynthia and Korrina I can understand, but Steven and Brandon I disagree with. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:08, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Both have played major parts in an arc they appeared in (Regigas arc for Brandon, Mega Evolution arc for Steven), and have done more that just battle. While I do go on and on over quality over quantity, the quality of those pages are fine.--ForceFire 05:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I added information to Brandon's page, I hope everything is right. Despite that, from now on I will only suggest the page when it is ready, Brandon's page was still far from ready(We still need to find a better image to put in the infobox). The one I'm doing for Steven I'll be letting you know when it's ready to head to the main space.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 22:04, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I did the first drafts on this page, do you think it is good enough to go to the main space?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 20:09, 05 May 2020 (UTC)

I've brought up that page with the other staff members, as I wasn't sure if Clair had done enough outside of battling to warrant a separate page, and they deemed Clair not notable for an anime specific article.--ForceFire 12:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)


I tried to undo an edit on my talkpage but the abuse filter wouldn't let me. --CaliforniaPokemonGirl623 (talk) 03:30, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

That usually happens when new users attempt to remove large amounts of information. I've removed the template from your talk page. Again, your talk should not be used as a userpage. The only thing that should be on your talk page, aside form the welcome template, are comments and discussions.--ForceFire 04:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Force Fire How many edits (specific number) are needed to get autoconfirmed? --CaliforniaPokemonGirl623 (talk) 15:38, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
The number is kept secret, even I don't know what the number is. It's kept secret so users don't just make the reuired amount of edits and abandon the mainspace for the userpace.--ForceFire 05:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Blast Burn, etc.

Hey, if I recall I don't think I repeatedly edited the pages for Blast Burn and similar moves to state that they were the Kanto starters' signature moves - I think I only edited each of them once (or possibly twice to correct mistakes). But in any case, before XD was released, the Kanto starters were the only Pokémon that could learn those moves, similar to Greninja with Water Shuriken before ORAS. They're even listed on the signature move page as such. Therefore, if they don't qualify as signature moves, then Water Shuriken shouldn't either. --Darthrai (talk) 03:40, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I checked the history section of Blast Burn and you added it a few years back, which subsequently got reverted. Yes, the Kanto starters were the only one that can learn it, but it didn't keep it as a signature move for a generation, which is what (one of) the criteria is. I've removed the Greninja line on Water Shuriken.--ForceFire 04:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


Hey! It's clear [[::User:Dinosaurtime.YT|Dinosaurtime.YT]] ([[::User talk:Dinosaurtime.YT|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Dinosaurtime.YT|contribs]]) is going to continue edit-warring on articles rather than use the talk page. Do something about it? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:08, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

It's just a matter of explaining to him how things work and that he can help in other sections, there are loads of pages that need help.There is no point in creating a problem with this, or to reach the moderator's page with that tone of words.Hikaru Wazana (talk) 00:30, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
It wouldn't be a problem if the user hadn't immediately gone to the talk page when their edits were contested. Repeated reversions is automatically punished with a block, whether anyone likes it or not. I would know. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:33, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
I've given them a message.--ForceFire 05:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:19, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Dinosaurtime.YT - Can i say something? I am not Edit-warring. It am just correcting information that is wrong. Many people seem to think that 1-57 is 52 episodes when it is not, it is 57 episodes. I am merely correcting people who are mistaken and wrong.- unsigned comment from Dinosaurtime.YT (talkcontribs)

You are clearly counting the episodes that never aired in the US. Because while EP001 to EP057 are season one, only 52 of them actually aired in the US (EP018, EP035, EP038, EP052, and EP053 were either banned or aired later).--ForceFire 12:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh, ok then, i din't know. I just thought it was a typo that had become believed. I made an extra point in the seasons page to correct it and let people know, just in case they didn't know and i apologise for the inconvenience and misconception. {user:Dinosaurtime.YT} - unsigned comment from Dinosaurtime.YT (talkcontribs)

That's not what the dot points are for. The dot points are listing the different definitions of a season. The stuff about irregularities in count can go elsewhere.--ForceFire 13:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Where should it go then? In the first section of the page?--Dinosaurtime.YT (talk) 13:19, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Mainspacing suggestion

I have a page about Miette's Slurpuff that's been waiting for a mainspacing decision for years now. Do you think it's notable and complete enough to be mainspaced? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I feel like Miette's Slurpuff hasn't done much outside of performing in Showcases, if I remember correctly. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Miette's Slurpuff isn't notable. It didn't do anything major, apart from its debut episode, and every appearance afterwards was just battling/performances.--ForceFire 05:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
...Fine... --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:25, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Team Rocket's disguises

I noticed the page on Team Rocket's disguises is written in the present tense, while we typically write in the past tense. Is there a reason for this? Also Butch and Cassidy have used disguises during some of their schemes, should these be included on the List of Team Rocket's disguises page?PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

The wording on that article should be in past tense, yes. As for Butch and Cassidy's disguise, I wouldn't be against it, though you might need to suggest it to others.--ForceFire 06:11, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Not a problem thanks. I'll message BlazingFist to confirm whether Butch and Cassidy's disguises should be added to the page. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 02:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
I've always thought the article should be written in present tense because it's always been that way. My bad, I guess. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Spoiler tags for Lusamine page? Maybe also for Chairman Rose?

Okay as the both of us know, the wiki still has not tolerated spoilers in the opening paragraph of the Lusamine page (this may also be a good thing to potentially apply to Chairman Rose. Last I checked, the original Sun and Moon (the storyline where this fits into) was released approximately 3 - 3.5 years ago. Unowninator suggested spoiler tags, and I think that may be a worthy solution. What do you think? Crummymummy (talk) 03:38, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

It can be mentioned in the story section of her article, with a spoiler tag in the section (though I think the twist already been alluded to anyway), it will not go to the main paragraph as it is too much of a spoiler. It being 3 years after SM has been released means nothing. It's been years since Colosseum and XD were released and their villains have separate pages from their disguised characters.--ForceFire 06:07, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Sun and Moon Walkthrough edits

Hi, I am a new user here who wants to edit and create walkthroughs. The Appendix:Sun and Moon walkthrough/Section 3 page is essentially a copy and paste of the Hau'oli City page. When I tried deleting the parts unrelated or out of place in the walkthrough, I found that I couldn't, as it was automatically labeled as vandalism. Do I need to become an autoconfirmed user first, or do I need some other privileges? Thanks for your help. Mercilessstarfish (talk) 02:32, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

That normally happens when new users try to remove large amounts of information. You just need to wait a while.--ForceFire 04:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Lickitung's Lick

In 2016, you said on Jessie's Lickitung's talk page that the action of licking does not equal the move Lick. However, the announcer in Lickitung's debut episode clearly refers to the action as "Lick attack", as in "Lick the move". If you ask me, this is just an example of an anime move error than an "improvised" move. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm aware of what the announcer said, though I do not remember if it was dub added or from the original. I've removed the improved moves template from the page, the template itself having already been removed multiple times before only to be re-added again.--ForceFire 06:14, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Okay. I looked into it, and it turns out that Lickitung's licking wasn't referred to as a move in the Japanese version. So yeah. I stand corrected. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:44, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

My edits

Why are you reverting my edits to the Pokémon pages?--KnightGalarie (talk) 04:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Do paintings of Pokémon count as anime appearances?

KnightGalarie certainly seems to think so. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:48, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Paintings are images, right?--KnightGalarie (talk) 08:50, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
I've been getting mixed signals about that, honestly. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:54, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime#Pokémon appearances and debuts.--ForceFire 09:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
So the Pokemon Park robots/animatronics don’t count as appearances at all?--KnightGalarie (talk) 09:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
An exception can be made for those as they played a major role in their episode.--ForceFire 09:49, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

May's Ivysaur

And hey as long as we’ve got you, why is May’s Ivysaur considered a “Major appearance” when her Ivysaur never actually appeared? I brought it up on the Ivysaur talk page but it didn’t get any traction--KnightGalarie (talk) 09:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

If it has an article and belonged to a main character, then it's automatically a major appearance. The fact that most of its major appearances were spent as a Bulbasaur carried over to its time as an Ivysaur and then a Venusaur (which, if I may recall, didn't appear for too long either). GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:21, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
But Venusaur at least got an appearance. Ivysaur has zero appearances. It can’t be a major appearance if there’s no appearance to speak of--KnightGalarie (talk) 09:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The section is just more or less stating that May's Bulbasaur eventually evolved into an Ivysaur. It's fine.--ForceFire 09:49, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

My own block

Hey! I think I might have to be blocked too. I've reverted KnightGalarie so many times on so many different articles that I've lost count. Review my history and see if I've done enough reverts to warrant some sort of block, because I do feel like I've jumped the gun one too many times here. But at this point, I'm too tired to check for myself. Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

GalarPony and KnightGalarie

Hey! Call it a far-fetched hunch, but is it possible [[::User:GalarPony|GalarPony]] ([[::User talk:GalarPony|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/GalarPony|contribs]]) and [[::User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[::User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/KnightGalarie|contribs]]) could be one and the same person? Not only do their usernames both have "Galar" in it, but both GalarPony and KnightGalarie have a bad tendency to edit-war and use edit summaries to make their argument rather than trying to go to the talk page first. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:27, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Did a check between the two accounts. I've given them a message.--ForceFire 08:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
I just read your message. Honestly, given the similarities you just described (some of which I hadn't even thought of, honestly), it looks super-suspicious. I'm personally convinced they're the same person, but I suppose GalarPony's multiple IP addresses complicates things for you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Whoa, whoa, whoa, how can the issue be cleared up? How could KnightGalarie share the same computer details as GalarPony and yet say they created their account on a cellphone? Unless there's something about computers I don't know about (and please feel free to explain it to me if this is the case), this is telling me two possible scenarios:
1) KnightGalarie is GalarPony and created the account with a cellphone, and then used the same computer to make their edits.
2) KnightGalarie and GalarPony are different people who share access to the same computer (which KnightGalarie hadn't exactly confirmed).
I think you should press for some clarification on their explanation, because I'm still suspicious about this. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
I don't believe that he is GalarPony. The only thing connecting the two are the matching devices, which isn't that helpful if it is a mobile device. The similar names isn't even a good reason, anyone can use the word "Galar" in their name. Their behaviors, whilst similar, are still circumstantial. In a sense, I decided not to pursue it any further. If you still have concerns, you can bring it up with someone of a higher rank than me.--ForceFire 04:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC)


[[::User:Cynthia149|Cynthia149]] ([[::User talk:Cynthia149|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Cynthia149|contribs]]) had this lovely comment to say at the new series talk page. Mind giving them a warning? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:27, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Don't think it's too bad, but I'll leave a response on that talk page.--ForceFire 04:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Nah, I'll give them a message on their talk page instead.--ForceFire 04:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:52, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Pokérap backwards

Hello Force Fire, I was browsing through my previous contributions to the Wiki and decided to look at the controversy page, I noticed that the point about the Pokérap had an inadequate source. After doing a search for "Pokérap" and "Satan" I found no first had source, I reckon this could be a myth like Lavender Town and the Vikings wearing horns on their helmets so removed it but you want a discussion so I'm starting one. The point doesn't have a valid source and makes Christians come across as overly paranoid, I don't think this site should allow misconceptions to spread, I mean after all the Lavender Town point isn't on the page which is a similar myth so why should this one?Great Bear (talk) 21:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

The Lavender town myth was actually busted. The Pokerap thing hasn't been busted. Does it make Christians look bad? Maybe? But people from other religions have said stuff about the franchise, so Christians saying such things wouldn't be too far off. I've already had a discussion about this with another user years ago, but it most likely happened during the 90s when Pokemon was at the height of its craze. Stuff like this probably wasn't documented at the time, and if it was, most likely died along with the 90s.--ForceFire 05:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Your response comes down to "I speculate that it happened even though there's no evidence to support thid from the time, but I think it happened, therefore it must remain". Just because you think it MIGHT have happened doesn't mean it did and if a source died in the 90s we should assume it didn't happen (evidence must exist to confirm something). I think it seems quite a stretch because why would people decide to play specifically the Kanto Pokérap backwards. This is exactly like the Vikings with horned helmets, no account at the time yet believed to have happened because people spread their ideas after the time. Could it not be reworded to remove the piece about Christian fundamentalist, as we have no evidence that they specifically complained about this and instead just say that people (not Christians) have noticed (not complained) that you might be able to hear "I love you Satan" essentially showing that it's a rumour on the internet.Great Bear (talk) 11:09, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I will agree with ForceFire on this one. Given that there was a "Satanic Panic" starting in the 1980s and lasting well into the 1990s before it finally stopped for the most part. I would assume that there was a lot of overly zealous christians at the time trying to say ANYTHING they could to get people to stop being fans of the franchise, including making up lyrics and such that they may have heard in the songs when played backwards. The earliest record I could find making mention of this "backmask message" was from a forum thread documented in 2004 where someone asked if others had heard of this rumor before and if they thought they heard the message as well. So while it has been pretty much impossible to find videos or articles where christian folks are flat out stating this, it likely had been stated at one point in time during the late 90s - early 00s before the website was removed. Given most early internet websites were poorly archived, it would likely be impossible to find records of older christian websites making note of it these days. That being said, as youtuber SteveTerreberry has shown, if you try hard enough, you can hear whatever you want out of a song in reverse, even though 99% of the time, there is nothing there in the lyrics anyways. Frozen Fennec 12:30, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I completely disagree, it all boils down to did Christians specifically say that you could hear "I love Satan" in the Pokérap played backwards. The answer is "we don't know, we have no evidence to show that they ever did" and Frozen Fennec saying that it wasn't properly archived is not an excuse, it needs to be proved and saying that it could have happened but we have no evidence is NOT an excuse. Just because they may have complained about other recordings doesn't mean that they did about this one and shows them as overzealous people who complain about a children's entertainment franchise (which really doesn't portray them as good people, and some people might find this unproven information offensive). Force Fire saying that this hasn't been debunked is also not an excuse because you need to prove that something happened, not assume that something happened because of something that appeared on the internet after the time. Finally it's not opinion it's about objectivity and fact and you need information to prove a FACT otherwise it should only belong on speculative forums and not an encyclopedia.Great Bear (talk) 14:58, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Another thing I just thought of is why does it really matter if it remains on the page? If it's removed for being an internet rumour then it will still exist on speculative forums, that I mentioned earlier.Great Bear (talk) 15:03, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I just noticed something else, it says "Some claim" present tense, in other words happening right now. Regardless of everything recently discussed it should be past tense.Great Bear (talk) 15:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

KnightGalarie again

I don't appreciate the tone he's using here. I most certainly wasn't lying; I didn't see the first template at first. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

In what way is this acceptable behavior? The minute you see something you don’t like, your first thought is punishment?--KnightGalarie (talk) 00:21, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm already on hot water with admins for sending my own warnings to other users, so I'm not taking any chances. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
But your first thought was still punishment for saying something you disagreed with. I didn’t call you names--KnightGalarie (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
You're claiming I lied, which was extremely rude and uncalled for. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:26, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Uncalled for? You stated an easily-provable falsity in your argument. What else was I supposed to think?--KnightGalarie (talk) 00:28, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Very bold of you to assume I was maliciously lying when I was just distracted by other tabs on my computer at the time. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Which is why you acted out of malice by running to an admin after a single occurrence instead of solely talking it out with me--KnightGalarie (talk) 00:32, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Because, knowing me, I was going to remind you of certain site rules, which only admins could do. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Rules that weren’t violated--KnightGalarie (talk) 00:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Correction, certain user etiquette. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
And yet you still thought you needed an admin to scold me --KnightGalarie (talk) 00:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Because said etiquette is documented in the site rules. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:40, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Attention: Rillaboom's Biology Section - Please Add Info About Its Drumsticks

Could you please mention where Rillaboom keeps its drumsticks? It appears that they are in the leaf-like fur near its hands (similar to how Delphox keeps its branch in the fur on its arm).

We know this Pokémon carries its drum on its back, but if we don't mention where it keeps its drumsticks, it would feel incomplete. Macpika (talk) 18:21, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

What did I do wrong?

I made an edit on the move variations page about adding Pika Papow and Veevee Volley to the section about Frustration. I edited it and added the detail about the two moves being unable to miss and it was deleted by KnightGalarie for “changing criteria without permission”. I don’t know what I did wrong but is there a way I can fix this so I can add these moves into the page? Or better yet, how can I get permission to change criteria without permission? I just want to be able to do better next time. PeakA (talk) 23:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)