# User talk:Force Fire

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## Master Trainers

In light of the edit warring, seeking an opinion before adding it to the page -- the Rhyhorn and Rhydon master trainers, Farkas and Eugene, seem to be a reference to Bulk and Skull from Power Rangers. For what it has to do with the characters, the Dinosaur-like design of Rhydon, or the tough guy demeanor of the two, could be points of note. Drake Clawfang (talk) 05:58, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I can see that, both points are valid enough connections.--ForceFire 06:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Cool, thanks. Drake Clawfang (talk) 06:13, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
What about the ones that were removed? In my eyes, they're perfectly valid references and thus worthy of being there. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:58, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
If you'd notice, Drake Clawfang provided two other points other than their names. That's why I accepted that one, and not the ones I removed.--ForceFire 13:05, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

## Spammer

Hey, heads up. Mckenzie6361 (talk · contribs) has quite the talk page. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:02, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Dealt with.--ForceFire 03:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

## Special spawns

How should these so called "special spawns" be added to the Let's Go encounter lists? Without them, the lists remain incomplete. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

It's one of the things the other staff members have been discussing.--ForceFire 13:05, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
How's it going? Earlier today, a user came to me asking about it as well. What's keeping them from being added? Haven't you yet reached an agreement on how to display them or something? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:54, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
The way Chosen implemented them was the main suggestion, which I'm not against.--ForceFire 04:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

## Articles for the mainspace

I've got several character and location pages completed, I was hoping you could have a look over them and hopefully move them to the mainspace if deemed notable and complete enough. The Marina Group page is needing only images, but I'll wait to see if you think it is notable or not. Also, all of the articles previously marked as not notable can now been deleted, as all the information on those pages has been placed into the Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 03:08, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I'll look at all your suggested userpages at some point.--ForceFire 04:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Articles that are fine for mainspacing:
User:PardescanSlowbro/Bewear's Den
User:PardescanSlowbro/Pokémon hunters (M21)
User:PardescanSlowbro/Pokémon poacher (M04)
Articles I'm a little unsure of (they're notability), get second opinions:
User:PardescanSlowbro/Luka's great-grandfather
User:PardescanSlowbro/News Crew (M03)
User:PardescanSlowbro/Misty Village
User:PardescanSlowbro/Mountain Lighthouse
User:PardescanSlowbro/Unnamed Island (EP060)
Notable, but needs much more work
User:PardescanSlowbro/Coumarine City Festival
User:PardescanSlowbro/The Marina Group
For User:PardescanSlowbro/Pershie, it's not notable as of right now. Just wait and see if it does anything major in future episodes.--ForceFire 05:59, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
What about all the mainspace candidates I suggested earlier last year? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:56, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Tide Song Hotel and Kantonian Gym? Never got a definite answer on whether those are needed or not, at the time I asked. Haven't really asked again since other things took priority. Looker events can be made.--ForceFire 11:44, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Force Fire, feel free to move the ready articles onto the mainspace and I'll continue to work on the others. Thanks again. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 06:48, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
I've actually already moved the ones that were approved--BigDocFan (talk) 07:50, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks BigDocFan. I hadn't noticed because the links on my userpage are still connected to the articles, I'm not sure how the redirects are deleted though, but in the past I've seen admins move pages without leaving a redirect. Thanks. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:28, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
I've deleted the redirects. Admins have the ability to move pages without leaving a redirect behind.--ForceFire 09:35, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:36, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

How are my mainspace candidates coming along? It's been half a year since I brought them up. Can they be mainspaced soon?

Yeah, I've forgotten to remove the "under construction" part, but still, I feel like it's high time that these pages got mainspaced. What do you think? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:57, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

I think you're better off asking other admins if those pages are notable. All I can do is re-iterate that the discussion among the staff regarding those articles just never took off, and with me not having any strong opinions whether they should be mainspaced, haven't really bothered asking again.--ForceFire 05:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Okay. I'll give it a try at some point. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:35, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi ForceFire, I've since consulted Abcboy regarded several of my articles, according to him the following pages are notable and can be mainspaced:
User:PardescanSlowbro/Luka's great-grandfather
User:PardescanSlowbro/Misty Village
Also these pages which were said to be okay to be mainspaced are now ready:
User:PardescanSlowbro/Lugia (anime)
User:PardescanSlowbro/Malamar (anime)
User:PardescanSlowbro/Deoxys (anime)
The Mountain Lighthouse page can now be deleted as it has been merged with the Misty Village page. Thanks in advance, PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:57, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Deoxys (anime), per notability requirements isn't notable, now that I think about it. I've moved everything else and deleted the lighthouse page.--ForceFire 08:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for doing that. The Deoxys {anime} page can now be deleted as well, as I've since added the information to the recurring Pokémon in the anime page. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:39, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Would it be worth creating a recurring anime character page or category to make it easier to search up human characters that have appeared in more than one episode? We have one for recurring Pokémon characters, and the characters of the day have their own page.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
No. There's way too many of them. And if the recurring Pokémon page is being called to spit, then a recurring human characters page isn't going to work either.--ForceFire 09:31, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

It seems the Kantonian Gym is due to appear in the anime within a few weeks. Who could I contact to get my articles mainspaced or a permission to do it myself? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:59, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

You already contacted abcboy (I think), best to wait a response or alert him again. I know it's been months since you asked, but that should tell you that it's not of a high priority. Worst case, it'll get mentioned that it appeared in the anime on the page it (Kantonian Gym) is already on.--ForceFire 05:16, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Forgive me. It's been so long I had forgotten all about it. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:41, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

## Do you know of any Bulbapedian(s) who know proper Korean & Chinese romanizations?

I just finished editing and formatting my List of common phrases from fortune-teller tents (Festival Plaza) in other languages. However, I am not yet asking you to check if it is worthy of mainspacing, but rather ask you a side question: Do you know of any Bulbapedia contributor(s) fluent in Korean who can review the Korean romanizations in my page above and make any corrections there? And/or any Chinese-fluent Bulbapedian(s) who can do the same thing for the pinyin in the same page? Thankee! --SilSinn (TIDs: 768426S, 123446UM) (talk) 09:26, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Check the Staff page to see who's fluent in what (although it doesn't say who's fluent in Korean). I don't know of any normal user that can speak and knows either language.--ForceFire 09:38, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
The only reason Korean isn’t mentioned there is because there is no Korean wiki in Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis. The Staff page mentions two admins with knowledge of Chinese, 超龍Chao and Carmen (Talk | contribs), so I just asked them for reviewing at least the Chinese pinyin in my page. Carmen’s userpage says she knows some Korean, so I also asked her about the romaja in my draft article. Thankee! --SilSinn (TIDs: 768426S, 123446UM) (talk) 10:25, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

## Template: Item for LGPE

Thanks for updating the Template: Item. I already updated the Candy page for the update. It appears that the PE doesn't show up properly, however.

Just one other request: do you think you can change all the "lgpe" to just "pe" for the sake of consistent conventions? Thanks. TehPerson (talk) 17:49, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Fixed the issue with the game abbreviation. Also changed every instance of lgpe to pe.--ForceFire 03:53, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
The template works now (eg in Candy and Berry). While we're on the issue of updating templates, can you take a quick look at Template:Stats and Template:Pokémon/7? It's been a while since they've been updated for LGPE, so I made my tested versions of those templates and left the test cases in their respective Talk pages. Thanks! TehPerson (talk) 19:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

## Oranguru's Place

Last year, I asked abcboy whether User:BigDocFan/Oranguru's Place was good for mainspacing, his only complaint about the article was its name and would speak with other admin about it. This was sometime ago and I haven't heard anything back though I have asked him about it.--BigDocFan (talk) 09:08, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

I've asked the other admins, awaiting a response. Personally, I don't think it's notable since it was only important for one episode. But since this series is on-going, it could be important in a future episode (thus could change my mind).--ForceFire 11:46, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

## My trivia on protect and hidden power

First, I wrote "learned by most species", not "used by most species". Pokemon use struggle; they do not learn struggle. Second, I looked through the entire list of near-universal TM moves, and protect and hidden power really were the most universal of all of them. sumwun (talk) 05:14, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Don't add back removed trivia. I can see from the table on the TM page that their are several moves that are near universal. Attract, Frustration, Rest, Return so on so forth.--ForceFire 06:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
This is a list of currently "near-universal" TMs and the number of Pokemon that can't learn each.
Attract: most of these
Confide: 24
Double Team: 25
Frustration: 23
Hidden Power: 21
Protect: 21
Rest: 29
Return: 23
Round: 25
Sleep Talk: 23
Substitute: 22
Swagger: 28
Toxic: 23
As you can see, protect and hidden power are the most learned moves. sumwun (talk) 00:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

## Bewear Rescues

Was wondering if User:BigDocFan/Bewear Rescues might be worth mainspacing as a running gag?--BigDocFan (talk) 17:33, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

The table could be presented a bit better. I think it's fine to have an article about, though ask for second opinions.--ForceFire 04:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

## Pointless edits

One day, I was checking the log of blocked users and saw a handful being blocked for 30 days for “making pointless edits”. How does Bulbapedia define pointless edit and could you provide a few examples of what could be considered to be pointless edits (so that I do not make the same mistakes and end up like those monthly losers)? ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 05:26, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Depends on the edit. Changing sentences to say the exact same thing as it was before, adding info and immediately reverting yourself, adding unecessary white space, are some of the examples.--ForceFire 06:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

## Underleveled Pokémon page

I'm requesting that we should start a page with a list of all underleveled Pokémon owned by the trainers (excluding the Pokémon from the battle facilities). I detected that in Gen II games, if you chose Cyndaquil, Silver has a level 16 Croconaw, but its lowest natural level is 18. TheICTLiker4 (talk) 07:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Spriteit has a userpage that covers underleveled Pokémon.--ForceFire 07:43, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Does Spriteit’s page qualify for mainspacing? Because userpages do not get a lot of traffic and do not usually show up in search engine results. ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 15:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
In its current state, probably not. If anyone wants to know, just give them the link to the userpage and they'll edit it. Don't worry about it not getting "traffic". It'll get traffic if you share it around.--ForceFire 03:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

## Usertags for tagging suspected sockpuppets and their sockmasters

I just made two usertag templates that could be worth your attention as to whether they could be approved for templatespacing:

Admins could use these usertags for temporarily tagging sockpuppets and sockmasters on their userpages (at least until such pages are hit with Perish Song) in a fashion not unlike what is done on Wikipedia (where they use wp:Template:Sockpuppet and wp:Template:Sockpuppeteer for the same purpose). ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 01:54, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Just because Wikipedia does a thing, does not mean we have to do the same. We have our own rules and guidelines, and they have theirs. I don't think it's necessary. At all. It's basically throwing around accusations at possibly innocent users, even if you have all those parameters.--ForceFire 03:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Well, at least I hope you understood my choice of Pokémon (Shuppet for sockpuppet, Hypno for sockmaster) for the usertags, even if they were just defeated with Perish Song. At least I had fun practicing complex wikicode conditionals. ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 04:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

## Sorry for vandalising

So, how it happened. My brother was joking around, and did like, that, and he clicked on Save, though he didn't want to. Dunno how you can mistake left click with right click, but sorry :( - unsigned comment from SeeYaLater (talkcontribs)

## Links to fan sites and theory sites

Do we provide such links or references in any article? Or is it the same problem of copyrights to avoid them? Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 15:15, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Using fan sites and theory sites as references are not allowed, the former because they are fan sites and the latter because theories are mostly just speculation and rumors. Also depends on what you're asking about.--ForceFire 15:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Aging in the anime. Can this page cover Ash's age theories? Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 16:36, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
While the page is basically fan speculation, referencing theory sites is still not allowed.--ForceFire 03:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Ok. But adding theories is allowed? If not, then I suppose someone would have called for deleting a page like this... Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 20:01, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

## Creating a new page on how Gastly can learn the punch moves.

So, you can say it's kinda a theory. But I'm not stretching anything at all, not even medium. Just some good ol' theory. - unsigned comment from SeeYaLater (talkcontribs)

Read Gastly's biology section.--ForceFire 16:19, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

## Mainspace

Was wondering if you could check if Gladion's Umbreon and User:05308/Gladion's Lycanroc were notable enough to be mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 17:25, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I've brought them up with the others.--ForceFire 03:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

## Request to delete unneeded redirect

I had just renamed a draft template in my userspace, leaving behind a redirect. I now want an admin to delete the now-unneeded redirect page:

​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I also request the deletion of these two no-longer-needed draft templates:

​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 22:27, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Done.--ForceFire 03:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

## yo

so do u really think safari balls should be listed under items? i sure as hell dont. i dont think of that entry being helpful/important at all. --EternalDragonX (talk) 12:52, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't have a solid opinion on this. I don't mind either way.--ForceFire 04:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

## Sources

Was wondering if the following websites are acceptable sources

## Pokemon.com wallpaper?

Should I add this to the Excape from Gengar's mansion thing (btw this is daytime)? https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-online-games/escape-from-gengars-mansion/ If so, I can't do that because it's not a thing in Bulbapedia on it's own. SeeYaLater (sandbox) (talk) 18:33, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Minigames from Pokemon.com aren't notable for their own articles.--ForceFire 04:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

## Generation VII remake Pokémon

I was writing about it in the sense that all previous remakes have the ability to receive all Pokemon from all generations up until that game, either during the postgame or storyline. LGPE regress on this and only allows for the original 151 plus Meltan and Melmetal. Argentarus (talk) 06:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

I think post-game shouldn't count, since it's obvious that post game will have mons from outside the original generation. If LGPE adds Meltan and Melmetal, then that obviously makes the trivia false.--ForceFire 12:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Then maybe more like "its the first remake to limit its own National Dex down to the generation that is being remade throughout the entire game". Pokemon from Gens 2-7, besides Meltan and Melmetal, can't be sent from GO and don't exist in the game as obtainable Pokemon.
FireRed and LeafGreen, even though the Gen 2 and 3 Pokemon only appear in the postgame, counts as it and all of the other remakes are being viewed in their entirety. FRLG has data for the Pokemon from the first three generations, they exist as obtainable Pokemon in the data. LGPE is the first remake where we don't get Pokemon from the later generations, besides Meltan and Melmetal, throughout the entire game; it sticks pretty closely to first generation's Pokedex besides the two mythicals and Alolan formes. Argentarus (talk) 23:10, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
"besides Meltan and Melmetal". That already makes the trivia false. They're in the game, therefore it is not limited to the original listing.--ForceFire 06:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
So then, how about additions? So then: "LGPE is the first remake to limit its Pokedex down to Pokemon from the generation that is being remade throughout the entire game, with the addition of Meltan and Melmetal." and "Every Pokemon from the later generations is absent, with the exception of Meltan and Melmetal, which were just newly introduced."
I've been stating my case for this so far and I'd like to hear your side. You seem pretty adamant about not letting this make it to the Trivia subsection Argentarus (talk) 17:43, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
The LGPE page's trivia section already has "not every Pokémon revealed at the time is programmed into the games" which I think is a concise and clear way of putting it. --Celadonkey (talk) 22:11, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
The trivia is contradicting itself. It's saying it's the first to not have any additions to its original listing, yet it still adds Meltan and Melmetal.--ForceFire 04:56, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

## DoveSmith

Received a message on my talk page from DoveSmith which reads Please stop your disruptive editing as you did to Anela. You may be blocked from editing Bulbapedia if you continue. From what I can tell, I did little wrong to warrant the message, especially as he isn't admin so thought I would ask you as admin about this just to clarify any issues.--BigDocFan (talk) 10:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

## Trying to make my show/hide usertag box work correctly...

My problem with expandable usertag boxes… (link to my PhotoBucket-stored image)

I am trying to turn my ridiculously-long box of usertags into a simple box of expandable usertag fields (using your infobox template as an idea), but I am not getting the results I want. If you see my PhotoBucket image above, you’ll see that I specified my headers to be horizontally centered within the box, but they only stay centered when they are collapsed; when I expand them by clicking on Show, they move to the far right (leaving a ridiculously-large gap to the left), and the usertags below such headers, rather than filling the whole width of the box, only fill an amount equal to the void to the left of the headers (leaving unsightly gaps to their right). This is my current partial wikicode:

{|style="{{roundy|16px}}; text-align:center; border:2px solid #000; background:#000; color: #fff; margin-right:8px; margin-bottom:8px; float:right; font-size:90%; width:320px;"
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{|width="100%" class="expandable" style="{{roundy|10px}}; text-align:center; background:red; color:#000; font-size:13.5px;"
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!style="{{roundy|9px}}; background:#000; color:#fff; text-align:center"|''Personal stats''
|-
|{{User Country|628|the United States|0000DD|DD0000|FFFFFF}}
<!-- other usertags below the Personal stats header -->
|}
|}

I want both my headers and my usertags to fill the whole width of the box when expanded, rather than having headers to the right and usertags to the left. How do I fix this? ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 00:20, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

## Possible Mainspace

Was thinking User:Super10ZX/Scott Williams might be notable enough for mainspacing so went to do it, only to get 'You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason: A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name.' Could you check if the page is notable enough and if it is, could you sort it out please?--BigDocFan (talk) 16:53, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

I think the biography section should be filled out first. Other than that, it's good to go. Once the biography has been expanded, I'll move the article over the existing redirect.--ForceFire 05:00, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
With help from GrammarFreak, we have added a biography--BigDocFan (talk) 09:08, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
I think that's good enough for a start (I assume date of birth and such isn't readily available?). I've moved the article.--ForceFire 13:08, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
I looked over for all available information, sadly a date of birth couldn't be found--BigDocFan (talk) 14:15, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

## yo

dont know if you need to be reminded but im still getting internal error on the bottom of my pages. if you dont, just lemme know; i wont bring it up again --EternalDragonX (talk) 23:42, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Not really sure what the progress on this is, I'm assuming it's still being looked into. The internal errors comes and goes on my end.--ForceFire 04:58, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

## LET ME CREATE PAGES!!!!!!!!!!

Please let me create pages, Force Fire! I have no permission!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - unsigned comment from Mjhenry93 (talkcontribs)

First of all, calm down. Second of all, you must be Autoconfirmed to be able to make pages.--ForceFire 04:06, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
And third, you MUST sign on every talk page by using 4 tildes (~~~~). Don't change the talk page posts from the past because there will be an incorrect timestamp. Of course, I'm not saying that to you, Force Fire. I'm saying this to Mjhenry93.
To become autoconfirmed, you must assist Bulbapedia by editing a certain number of pages and having your account existing for a certain amount of time. Those values are kept secret. When I joined Bulbapedia, I had no permission to edit the page MissingNo., but now, I can edit it (since I'm autoconfirmed). Being autoconfirmed ALSO allows you to edit semi-protected pages, like MissingNo.
I also wasn't able to send images to the Archives, but now I can.
Thank you in advance. --TheICTLiker4 11:12, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

## New image

Add the image (address to the right) to the last section of the page “Celadon Gym”. https://ibb.co/hLMyM9D TheICTLiker4 (talk) 19:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Please ignore this post because I already posted. --TheICTLiker4 11:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

## Error 503

Hey! Every time I try to click on an article, I keep getting a "Error 503 Backend fetch failed" message. I eventually manage to get through after refreshing the page a couple of times, but it's getting frustrating already. Do you know what's going on? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:42, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

And the problem's just getting worse. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:55, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
We're well aware of the issue and is getting looked into.--ForceFire 06:39, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm not sure if the staff did something, but it looks like the problem has already been fixed for me. I'll check back with you if it starts happening again. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:21, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

## Reverts

[1] Can you check this? It was reverted. Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 13:22, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

It was reverted because there was consensus that the armadillo tidbit is way too insignificant for inclusion. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:32, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
The word "armadillo" comes from "armor" anyway, so it's redundant. And the tail thing isn't significant, as many unrelated Pokémon share design traits.--ForceFire 05:02, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

## Near-universal TMs

What is the definition of "near-universal"? sumwun (talk) 04:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

"Can be learns by almost all Pokémon". There is no set number, it is subjective to try and make up a max number. Just leave it.--ForceFire 04:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
How is "almost" any less subjective? What purpose does a definition like that have? With a definition like that, how are editors supposed to know whether the list is complete? sumwun (talk) 16:51, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

## First to appear outside the League

I thought Koga was the first one because he appeared in his gym in the Generation 1 games. sumwun (talk) 15:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

He appeared at his Gym before he became an Elite Four member. That's why it doesn't count. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:43, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Okay thanks. sumwun (talk) 04:21, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

## Humor articles

Hi. Do we allow humor or satirical articles? Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 16:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

No, they are not allowed. We're a wiki, not buzzfeed.--ForceFire 05:16, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Oh great! Thanks. Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 14:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

## Pokémon quest images.

Am I allowed to put Pokémon Quest images to the sprites page? - unsigned comment from SeeYaLater (talkcontribs)

If you mean their models, then those would go in the side series template, not the sprite box. As for whether you can add them, no, since the template doesn't have support of Quest information. That would need to get added at some point.--ForceFire 05:16, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

## Good News

Received cast lists from Lisa Ortiz today, there is a lot there which I am currently screenshoting for your approval--BigDocFan (talk) 09:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Emailed you the cast lists I've received, awaiting your approval--BigDocFan (talk) 13:39, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
All of those are fine. Also, do you have a discord account? Would be good if you could contact me via the discord.--ForceFire 07:07, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

## Trying to make my show/hide usertag box work correctly... REPOST

I had posted this above several weeks ago, but received no response, so I am reposting this:

My problem with expandable usertag boxes… (link to my PhotoBucket-stored image)

I am trying to turn my ridiculously-long box of usertags into a simple box of expandable usertag fields (using your infobox template as an idea), but I am not getting the results I want. If you see my PhotoBucket image above, you’ll see that I specified my headers to be horizontally centered within the box, but they only stay centered when they are collapsed; when I expand them by clicking on Show, they move to the far right (leaving a ridiculously-large gap to the left), and the usertags below such headers, rather than filling the whole width of the box, only fill an amount equal to the void to the left of the headers (leaving unsightly gaps to their right). This is my current partial wikicode:

{|style="{{roundy|16px}}; text-align:center; border:2px solid #000; background:#000; color: #fff; margin-right:8px; margin-bottom:8px; float:right; font-size:90%; width:320px;"
|-
{|width="100%" class="expandable" style="{{roundy|10px}}; text-align:center; background:red; color:#000; font-size:13.5px;"
|
!style="{{roundy|9px}}; background:#000; color:#fff; text-align:center"|''Personal stats''
|-
|{{User Country|628|the United States|0000DD|DD0000|FFFFFF}}
<!-- other usertags below the Personal stats header -->
|}
|}

I want both my headers and my usertags to fill the whole width of the box when expanded, rather than having headers to the right and usertags to the left. How do I fix this? ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 23:55, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

That's also a problem in my infobox as well, though I never really bothered to check why it does that and just left it as is. The expandable tags is something that I'm not too knowledgeable on, especially when used in templates. Try asking someone that would know what's wrong with them.--ForceFire 07:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I found the solution to our common problem, courtesy of Willyh106 ㅓTalkㅏ:
{| cellspacing="3" cellpadding="3" class="collapsible" align="right" style="{{roundy|20px}}; border: 5px solid #000; background: red; width: 320px"
|-
| cellpadding="3" align="center" style="font-size:120%; color:#fff" | '''Usertags'''
|- class="collapsible" <!-- show by default -->
| style="{{roundy|16px}}; background: #000; color: #fff" | '''''Header 1'''''
|-
|{{Usertag 1.1}}
{{Usertag 1.2}}
...
|- class="expandable" <!-- hide by default -->
| style="{{roundy|16px}}; background: #000; color: #fff" | '''''Header 2'''''
|-
| <!-- more usertags -->
|}
Just copy it and change colors, widths, font sizes, styles (bold/italic), headers, usertags, and collapsible/​expandable classes (depending on whether you want to show/hide some usertag lists by default). Or allow me to turn all this wikicode into a series of table templates (like those made by Tiddlywinks for Fashion item) so that everyone can save time and effort when building their userpages (and thus have way more time available for working on productive edits). ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 22:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

## New proposed article: List of Pokémon that appear each in only one regional Pokédex

Each Pokémon in my proposed list above has so far appeared in just one regional Pokédex (the one that debuted in its corresponding generation), as opposed to those who appeared in every regional Pokédex to date and those who appeared in none. Because all of the original 151 Kanto Pokémon also appeared in the Johto Pokédex, none of them is in my list above, thus leaving Meltan and Melmetal as the sole representatives of Kanto in such a list. Also not on this list are those Pokémon that appeared in at least two regional Pokédices (because I do not like to say Pokédexes), even if they did not appear in every Pokédex.

If this list is ever approved for mainspaced, then the {{pokelist}} navbox template may need to be updated to include this list.

On average, how long does it take for staff to review a proposed article and reach a decision on whether to approve it or not?

P.S. the speech balloon on my signature is not an inline image, but a font character escaped via an HTML hex code (&#x1F4AC;, officially termed a numeric character reference), so it should be acceptable under the Signature policy. If I were to directly type the character without first escaping it, then the wikicode processor, for some technical reason that seems to apply to all characters beyond U+FFFF, would stop at that character and truncate the remainder of the wikicode, as I just discussed here. ​ ‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 04:19, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

It will be under consideration. There is no "average" time an article gets mainspaced. It depends on what article it is and if it is needed. Also, any articles proposal should have the {{mainspace}} at the very top and categories should not be added to the proposed article until after it has been mainspaced. - unsigned comment from Force Fire (talkcontribs)
Is it safe to rename the page in the meantime? Tiddlywinks suggested removing the word “each” from the title. Also, you forgot to sign your comment. ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 06:41, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, you can change the name of the userpage.--ForceFire 08:07, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

## Stoutland

Would anyone object to me creating an article for Stoutland (anime)?--BigDocFan (talk) 13:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Its been several days since I posted, is it OK to mainspace Stoutland?--BigDocFan (talk) 21:10, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
I'd say it's fine to be mainspaced.--ForceFire 04:09, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

## User:BigDocFan/Ryota Iwasaki

Was wondering if Ryota Iwasaki was notable for mainspacing.--BigDocFan (talk) 15:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Looking at his roles, he's only played 9 minor characters, the minimum is ten. So not yet.--ForceFire 12:56, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough, so once he is credited with one more character, he gets the go ahead?--BigDocFan (talk) 16:53, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
With Ryota Iwasaki confirmed as having 10 characters, can the page I created be mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 15:38, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Once SM113 airs in Japan, it can be moved.--ForceFire 04:42, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

## Request to delete two unnedeed redirects

I request the deletion of these two leftover redirects:

​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 19:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

## Z-Move descriptions

I personally have not understood why the Z-Move descriptions when used in the anime or manga are not only displayed on their respective articles (where they definitely do belong) but also on the articles of Pokémon that have used them. Aren't those kinds of descriptions on Pokémon articles supposed to be reserved for improvised moves and combo moves, i.e. moves that don't exist in the games and thus must be described on the Pokémon's own articles due to those moves not having their own pages to be described on? Don't move articles have descriptions of the move specifically to avoid the need to put them on the articles of Pokémon that have used them?
I've always seen that Z-Moves should be listed with the same template used to list other moves used by a Pokémon, just in a separate section. Like how, for example, May's Munchlax and James's Mime Jr.'s "Moves used" sections have subsections for moves they've used through moves that call other moves, like Metronome or Mimic.
I hope you understood what I was trying to say. What do you think? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:05, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm not too sure on the reasoning, but they're probably split because they're special moves? I've inquired with the other staff members about it.--ForceFire 10:25, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Special moves or not, I see the descriptions belonging only to the move pages, if such exists. But thank you. I'll be waiting for replies. Hopefully they'll come soon. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:42, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Have you gotten any responses yet? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

## BigDocFan mainspacing

Was wondering how User:BigDocFan/Toucannon's flock (anime) was looking in terms of being mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 19:52, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

I feel that only Trumbeak and Toucannon are notable, I've asked the other staff members for their opinions.--ForceFire 10:25, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Pity one of the members are notable--BigDocFan (talk) 12:15, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Was wondering given their appearance in today's episode if it helps make the page notable enough for mainspacing?--BigDocFan (talk) 09:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
It's okay to move, though it doesn't need the "(anime)" in the title.--ForceFire 09:38, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, removed the "(anime)" from the title--BigDocFan (talk) 09:40, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

## Errors by game NPC

Can we mention grammatical errors made by game NPCs? We often mention these errors if they happen in anime... Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 15:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

I think we already do, it's a very rare case though.--ForceFire 02:46, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

## Latter half of the trivia

It says "transport a human being at sea." That was transcribed character by character, not copy pasted. Now that I've read it, what's next? Also I posted a new comment about TMs. sumwun (talk) 16:53, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't think you understand what the trivia is saying. It's saying that there are Pokémon that can use Surf that don't appear to have the physique to be able to carry a person. It is not saying that they don't have the physique to perform the move. And you're "what's next?" comment furthers my suspicions that you don't understand the trivia. Did you really just read it and not try to understand what is was trying to say?
On the TMs, I already said to leave it. It's fine the way it is. Trying to make up a number is more subjective than the vague "near universal."--ForceFire 02:46, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
First, I don't think you can expect people to understand everything they read. Isn't that what talk pages are for? As for the trivium about surf, isn't carrying a person part of performing the move? If no, why not? And isn't it true that every HM move that involves carrying a person can be learned by Pokemon that don't look like they can carry people, making this trivium not unique to surf?
If you set a vague definition and list all the TMs that fit the definition, how is that list useful to anyone? How are editors like me supposed to know whether the list is complete? sumwun (talk) 21:44, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
The trivia was neither confusing or difficult to understand, it was straight to the point. There's a difference between using a move in battle and using a move to transport people. You're thinking of the former when the trivia is talking about the latter, and the trivia make that very clear. The trivia is notable, it's similar to the Iron Tail or Ice Punch trivia about Pokémon being able to use the move when they shouldn't.
It's simply a list of moves that can be learned by almost all Pokémon. If you want the nitty gritty specifics, go to the move article. Don't expect every single bit of information to be on one single page. Actually browse the site for the information you need. That's what a wiki is for (at least, one of). You don't read a guide book expecting everything to be on one page, you actually read the book page by page.--ForceFire 04:15, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
So if fly, waterfall, dive, rock climb, and dig can all be learned by Pokemon that look like they can't carry people, does that mean I can add this trivia to the 5 pages about fly, waterfall, dive, rock climb, and dig?
You still haven't answered my second question about TMs. How are editors like me supposed to know that the list is complete? sumwun (talk) 18:19, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
If you want to? Also, dig doesn't require the person being carried, I would think.
Because it is complete. Whoever added them has probably done their research before adding them. Not sure why you'd think it's incomplete just because there's nothing telling you that it is complete.--ForceFire 04:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Why should I trust someone who hasn't made a single edit since 2017? Yes, I did try posting stuff on his/her/its user talk just to make sure he/she/it was really inactive. Also, this is a wiki. I can attempt to improve the quality of whatever parts I want. It's almost as if you're saying, "Not sure why you'd think there are grammar errors just because there's nothing telling you that there are no errors." sumwun (talk) 19:44, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Now that Pokémon Sword and Shield were announced, will you let me do the {{sup/8}} and {{gameabbrev8}} link templates? Shall we abbrev them as Sw/Sh, given that both titles start with "S"? ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 14:09, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Never mind, I just created the placeholders, now it's up to someone to develop the {{sword color}} and {{shield color}} templates (and their light/dark variants) and change the sup/8 and gameabbrev8 templates to use the new color templates. Hope this going ahead does not earn me an edit block... ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 14:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Staff will figure all this out, please don't just do as you please. Wait for us to make a decision. Have patience.--ForceFire 15:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

## Forum ban. Why?

I've been banned from Bulbagarden Forums due to "ruled violation", but I have no idea what I have done today that would count as rule breaking. And now they're saying I'm going to be banned until March 9. I simply can't stand being banned for that long! Please, can you help me? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Ignore that. I just found out what went wrong. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Do note that whining about it is not going to get you unbanned any faster, especially if your going over here and pestering the staff about it. Not only do you risk getting blocked on the forums for longer, you also risk getting blocked here. So don't whine about a ban and wait it out.--ForceFire 05:53, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

## Pokémon world in relation to the real world lock

Hey! I think you might need to impose an editing lock on the Pokémon world in relation to the real world article for the time being. Users keep posting information that Galar is based on the UK without providing sources or waiting for official confirmation. Thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:54, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

## Natural freezing vs Freeze (status condition)

FinnishPokéfan said they are both same thing. Check the history of EP237. Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 07:48, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

I interpreted that as "it's no different from having a Pokemon getting frozen due to a move". I'm saying that the status condition is caused by a move, while Piloswine did not freeze because of a move, it froze because of nature (IIRC). Also, you should avoid making trivia for very specific things. It's not interesting and makes it looks like your trying to shove in a lot of things just to make it notable.--ForceFire 10:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
So... it's not notable that somebody remained frozen for thirty or forty years? Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 11:31, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
No.--ForceFire 12:47, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

## List of Pokémon that appear in multiple regional Pokédex

You have this old, apparently-abandoned candidate-for-mainspacing page in your userspace:

It looks like you stopped at Generation IV, even though you were considering Kalos Pokédex in your entries. Your last edit dates back to November 2015, more than three years ago. What happened? Did you get tired of building up that page, even though it was tagged as a candidate for mainspacing?

Well, never mind that. I don’t know if you would consider this an intrusion, but I started to edit that page so as to take Alola Dex into consideration (because the {{alldexh}} and {{alldex}} templates were updated to include Adex and the table rows were looking kinda messed up relative to the table headers. Currently, only Generation I has been updated; I still need to update the other Generations and also add Gens. V to VI plus refresh the Hoenn numbers for all Gens. because of ORAS.

The wikicode itself is a total mess, a mixture of raw wikicode and {{alldex}} transclusions. Why didn’t you make a template for all those rows that could not be served by {{alldex}}? And even I think {{alldex}} was somewhat badly engineered: why does it have to default unspecified dex entries to "001", when the most logical choice could have been "---"? Well, yes, I know the reason: that less-than/greater-than conditional used for the Sdex column crashes whenever you feed "---" to it, hence why {{alldex}} cannot even be manually fed with "---" values (as I tried when entering "s=---").

Maybe I should make a new, sandboxed version of {{alldex}} to take "---" values into account, or a newly-named template that could be called {{multidex}} that would automatically fill unspecified dex values with "---" (and make those "<"/">" comparisons execute only if their input arguments are specified). With such a new template, your neglected “apparent pet project” could be greatly optimized and quickly updated to the current USUM-savvy situation, and perhaps inch closer to mainspacing (that’s why you tagged it for mainspacing in the first place, right?). Given that you apparently do not have spare time to work on this (but I do have plenty of spare time), would you find it acceptable for me to update that page of yours? (But first, I must test that prototype row template in my sandbox.)

Thankee! ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 03:01, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I just created my sandboxed alldex template version:

• {{User:SilSinn9801/alldex}}

Unspecified dex numbers fall back to #--- (rather than #001), and I added extra #ifexpr checks to ensure those less-than/greater-than conditionals do not crash when encountering #--- (the #--- is temporarily replaced with a sentinel value like -1 or 0 for such comparisons) and to ensure B2W2 and USUM do not show up for unspecified fallback values.

This sandbox template could now be used on your prototype multiple-dex page above (instead of all that ugly, extremely-tedious raw wikicode), if you give me the green light. Or, if you think this sandboxed version (which I do not think I need to change anymore — it looks stable enough to me) could be approved to replace the current {{alldex}} template, then feel free to nominate it for templatespacing.

Thankee! ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 04:06, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

...
The reason I abandoned that article was because X and Y was too much. Unlike BW or DPPt before it, XY literally added almost every Pokémon in its regional dex, meaning I had to add much, much more than what I had originally thought I would be adding (I believe I started the article around B2W2?). And here comes Sun and Moon to rear its ugly butt in and do the exact same thing as X and Y. And to be fair, they had to compensate the generation's lack of new Pokémon by adding a crap ton of older Pokémon. But still. It was just overwhelming. So I abandoned it.
If you want to improve the page and make it more complete, be my guest. I could do it, I could've done it a long time ago. Time I had. Motivation I had not.
As for the coding. When I started the article, I copied and pasted the template from the "Pokemon in every regional dex" article, hence Gen IV uses the alldex template. And since I never updated it, the amount of parameters that I inputted did not amount to the number of paramaters the template has now, hence why it looks messy. When editing the template, I swapped out the alldex template for the raw wikicode. I don't exactly remember why. Looking at the coding, seems that Gen IV was the only generation I had left to swap the alldex template out before giving up on the article.
Adding "---" to the Sinnoh parameter in the Gen IV section will break the template, because the second parameter is set to Gen IV. You wouldn't add "---" in the column that should have a number. As for why it's default to 001, default is always 001 for list templates. Even if we were to update it, we don't need an entirely new template. All we have to do is change 001 to --- in the current template.
Aside from all that. If you want to update the page, go for it.--ForceFire 14:00, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
OK, thankee for your green light. However, I cannot use the current {{alldex}} template by doing param="---" in the transclusions - it breaks the mathematical comparisons (like {{{s}}} < 151, for example) when parsed, getting me red-colored error messages. Hence why I made the sandboxed version and re-engineered it (you can check its code and see how I improved it). But well, since you think there is no need to replace the current template, can I at least rename my sandboxed version of it to {{User:SilSinn9801/multidex}} before using it on your page? Just to avoid any confusion. ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 16:59, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
I did not say that I prefer having 001 as the default, I was simply explaining why 001 is the default. As I said, we wouldn't need a completely new template, just update the one we currently have. Heck, the current template could do without the formula for sinnoh and make it like the others, simple. You can move your template to a new name yourself, if you want to.--ForceFire 06:04, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
OK, if you say it's safe to update the official template, then I could go ahead and do that (fortunately it is only being transcluded into two pages or so, so I do not expect server stress). Actually, my sandbox template was meant to be a proposed update to the official one, so if I update the official one based on my experience with my sandboxed one, then I may not have any further need for my separate version to exist and thus I could instead opt to request you use Perish Song on it. Just give me time for that, I got to sleep now because of my geographical location. ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 07:06, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
I am going to update the official alldex, but I discovered some inconsistency regarding Udex: Unlike Jdex, Hdex, and Adex (where new dex values are printed first and old values –if any– are printed as tooltips along with Gen.II/III/SM), for Ndex > 493 Udex prints the old dex value first and the U2dex value as a tooltip (with B2W2). Shouldn't it be the other way around: print u2dex first and then old udex as tooltip (with BW, unless both values are the same, as is the case of Patrat family), in pretty much the same fashion as Adex? That way we can get rid of another #ifexpr numeric comparison: {{{2|001}}} < 494 (which right now is the one thing that decides whether to print U2dexB2W2 for non-Gen.V Pokémon or instead old Udex for Gen.V Pokémon). ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 18:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Why did you protect the official {{alldex}} template before reading this new suggestion above regarding the order in which u and u2dex values are to be printed? I noticed you did adopt my suggested --- fallback values, but there were a few other #if and #ifexpr instructions I wanted to add to that template to prevent the printing of tooltips and sups when deemed not necessary (like, for example, when both adex and sm are the same value, a tooltip should not show, or whenever u2dex and adex fall back to ---, no superscripts should be printed). ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 05:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
First of all, I did not say you could edit the template. I said you could update thee userpage. Standard users aren't supposed to be editing high traffic templates (regardless of how many pages are actually using it), thus I protected it. As for the template itself, I personally don't think it needs to be that complicated. I think we could do without the if clauses and have users type out the superscripts and/or tooltips when using the templates. Tedious for users, sure, but if it makes the coding less complicated so be it.--ForceFire 08:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, then go ahead and make the necessary changes (whether to remove the ifs and make me manually type the sups and tooltips at the input, or copy code from my sandboxed template and paste it into the official template, or delete that template then quickly move my sandboxed copy to it to effectively replace it - I am fine with any outcome) before I continue (and, hopefully, finish) that masterpiece of yours (your user subpage). Thankee! ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 13:34, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I completed that masterpiece of yours, your list of Pokémon that appear in more than one regional Pokédex. All it needs now is for an admin like you to re-update the {{alldex}} template to suppress the B2W2 and USUM superscripts whenever the u2dex and adex parameters, respectively, are left undefined in the transclusions. And reverse the order in which both u and u2dex are printed relative to each other (to bring the Udex column on par with Jdex, Hdex, and Adex – that is, new dex value first, old dex value in tooltip). And allow the user to specify/print under the Adex column the sm parameter alone without requiring the adex parameter (useful for SM Pokémon whose Adex numbers were unchanged in USUM – just as is done under Udex when only u is defined without defining u2dex). All those requested changes are done in my proposed {{User:SilSinn9801/alldex}} template; you can copy the required code from my template and paste it into {{alldex}}, then every instance of {{User:SilSinn9801/alldex}} in your draft article can be replaced with the updated standard {{alldex}}, and then I can request Perish Song on my template. That is all, and THANKEE! ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 02:38, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

(resetting indent)I've updated the template, but haven't deleted your template just yet. Once everything that uses your template is updated, then I'll delete it. I'll completely update my userpage at some point.--ForceFire 02:19, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

I just removed the last lingering transclusions of my user template from your draft article and replaced them with the updated alldex template. Now your page looks like a masterpiece – I can now say I can feel proud of turning a long-abandoned project into something of superb quality. Now I can finally grant you permission to use Perish Song on that sandbox template of mine. ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 03:49, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

## Candidates for merging.

Dear ForceFire,

I am aware of the policy regarding merging, that there needs to be a discussion and a general consensus for it to occur. However, most of the pages that I and others have marked for merging or deletion in some cases have not been acted upon for months, or years in some cases like the Winds of Water page, and also no discussion has occurred.

Here is a list of pages that should be merged together:

I am bringing this up as the Mountain Lighthouse was not considered worthwhile having its own page simply because little happened there, and stands as a more suitable subsection of the Misty Village page. Hope to hear back shortly,PardescanSlowbro (talk) 05:48, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

There is no deadline to when pages will be merged. Most of those a for minor things, so they aren't high on the priority list.--ForceFire 14:00, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm more than fine to combine the pages myself by cutting the information from the article and putting it into the other, I simply need your say so to do exactly that. And afterwards I'll just need you to delete the residual pages.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 00:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Merging isn't simply just copying and pasting. You have to preserve the history of the other article, which only staff can do. Like I said, it's not high on the priority list.--ForceFire 04:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
How long does the history preservation process take? Does the priority list have a page? Or is there someway this issue could become high priority?PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:38, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Moving Article A over Article B (after copying and pasting content from Article B to Article A), which involves deleting Article B (which only staff can do). And then undeleting the revisions of Article B on the new article (which only staff can do). There is no physical priority list that I am aware of. Even if there was, it's obviously not going to be out in the public. Since these are minor articles, they are unlikely to become high priority any time soon. These article have been laying around for years mainly because new things (like games or anime) show up and they take higher priority, putting these article lower and lower.--ForceFire 06:04, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

## MechaMew2

Has this been left out of the mechas article for some good reason? Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 13:22, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

It's not canon, has absolutely nothing to do with the anime, even if it uses characters from the anime.--ForceFire 14:00, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

## The MHA reference

You and Chosen both say that that's just a generic angry anime face that James makes in SM111. However, as I've already said before, I strongly disagree. Take a look at these pictures: [2][3][4] Can you honestly say you've seen eyes like that in some other anime? I highly doubt it. This is definitely not a coincidence. The Sun & Moon series loves making references to other anime, that fact has been established many times before. Why would this one be more farfetched than the rest? So, can we readd that picture and trivia on the episode article? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm certainly not going to find every instance of an angry anime face, so here's the TVtropes page. In short, it's a very common trope in the anime and not exclusive to MA.--ForceFire 02:19, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
The thing is, usually angry anime are just round and white. These angry eyes are distinctively different. They're far from generic, a fact that you seem to fail to understand. Even the Bulbagarden Forums has acknowledged that this is a MHA reference. Please, can you give a permission to re-add that piece of trivia? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:20, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
So? Do I get the permission or not? I think this evidence should be enough to convince you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:53, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
There are other anime that uses eyes shaped like the one in MHA. Again, I'm not going out of my way to find them because there are just too many of them to look through, but I wouldn't be surprised if a popular anime (idk, like DragonBall) didn't have an angry face stylised like the one in MHA.--ForceFire 04:42, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Would it help if you heard some person who's seen more anime than you have to say their opinion on the matter? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:02, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
This is not a case of me apparently having watched more anime than you have, this is me being absolutely certain that he has seen an angry face stylized like that in more than a few anime. Again, I'm not going out of my way to find it because there are A) too many of them B) too many episodes to look through just to find one face.--ForceFire 09:09, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
And since you keep asking, I have googled and found plenty of comical angry faces that uses those stylized eyes as MHA. Full Metal Alchemist, Ouran High School, Another Full Metal Alchemist.--ForceFire 10:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

## Planning to take a Wikibreak here…

I want to tell you that I am thinking of taking some kind of Wikibreak from Bulbapedia to focus on my upcoming original music single release (yes, I do chiptune music as you can read from my userpage), due April 1, 2019 (I have to prepare the promo videos and other stuff and won’t have time to dedicate to Bulbapedia). So, as a precautionary measure (in case someone hacks into my account and uses it to vandalize this wiki), may I ask you to temporarily freeze or block my account from performing any edits until May 11, 2019 (the second anniversary of me joining YouTube)? Is there a template that I can put on top of my userpage to alert readers that I am taking a Wikibreak until May 11, 2019? Thankee! ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 03:56, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

You can place Template:Inactive User on either your userpage or talk page (or both). I don't think blocking is necessary.--ForceFire 08:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

## African Vulture/Annice Moriarty

I've had a message on my talk page from African Vulture about Annice Moriarty which reads as follows: I am currently working on fixing a mistake that has been made in regards to the Ugandan-American voice actress Annice Moriarty, a woman that some in the anime communities have mistaken for a similar sounding voice actress named Kether Donohue I'm wondering if you can help me migrate the page over to Annice Moriarty as they are not the same person at all. I've looked all over the internet, and I am unable to find any sources at all, even if she was not my sister. Can I ask for help in correcting this mistake? We actually did a parody of this on a youtube channel we created called Kether Ketchup, which was meant to make fun of the internet's mistake about Annie. I would deeply appreciate help in fixing this error, and would like to know what sources people claim to have so we can address them. thanks.

I've already sent them a message.--ForceFire 10:27, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Not sure how I am supposed to prove who I am given that I don't go around sending people my personal information after an event a few years ago where I had personal info stolen when I last visited this country I am currently in, but if I can prove in a way that does not mean me sending personal info to you guys I can do it. Annice Moriarty is a real name, not a pseudonym. A pseudonym is a fake name that somebody uses as an alternative to their real name. Annie Moriarty could be considered a pseudonym to Annice. Annice is an African name as is my name, Ritaya. thanks. African Vulture (talk) 14:28, 6 March 2019 (UTC) Of course you need to recignize that neither Annice Moriarty or myself are American-born, I do not live in America. So if you are looking through American birth records for Annice Moriarty you won't find her as she was not born in America. Annice is an African name of likely Swahili or Malagasy origin (as our mo mwas Malagasy and our dad is from Uganda) She never told us where Annie's name is from exactly. African vulture is my pseudonym, Annice Moriarty is Annice Moriarty's real name, we would not allow anybody to use the Annice Moriarty name because if they did we would be contacting them. By we I mean Annie. As for proof for who I am, a little while ago when I came to visit where I am right now, I had an incident where my identity was stolen, because I gave personal info to somebody who wanted me to prove who I am. that's why I'm not willing to send personal information, so if there is a way I can prove to you who I am without sending a Zambian birth cirtificate, personal ID or anything like that, I cannot help you for now. I'm ot even using my own e-mail address. A Canadian friend of mine allowed me to use his e-mail address for the purposes of this account. I chose him because of his knowledge of Pokemon, a series I am falling in love with myself. So if there's anything I can do short of giving you my personal information after the incident a while ago, I can for sure help you. thakns Ritaya. African Vulture (talk) 14:52, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

We don't ask for your personal information and such. Just link to us a page that is related to the actual Moriarty, if there are any, and the staff will try to contact her. Also, I'm not saying Moriarty isn't a real name, I'm saying the Donohue possibly used at as her pseudonym.
I searched through google for Annice Moriarty, I didn't look through any records, I don't have access to that. Also, Donohue was credited as Annice Moriarty in the actual credits of Kappa Mikey and an interview with her also stated that she voiced a character on the show.
And since I couldn't find (read: google) anything about an Annice Moriarty, I will restore Donohue's page to what it was before.--ForceFire 04:42, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

No, it must stay gone until you guys in th eanime community can provide proof that Donohue appropriated this Malagasy name. You guys are drawing parallels based on voice and that both Moriarty and Donohue were in a couple of the same shows. I don't doubt that Donohue has been in a couple of the shows that Annie has been in, but I'm affraid that you are the one who has to source that Moriarty is a pseudonym, since you guys argued the positive for eons. I am merely challenging this with a where did you get this from. IMDB is not reliable at all because it helps to propagate this lie/mis hearing of voices and misunderstanding of the interviews. She may have been in Kappa Mikey but she's not Annie. African Vulture (talk) 06:39, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

do not revert, she was in the show but until a source exists that shows Donohue's appropriation of the Annice Moriarty name, you must not re asd it. You may be highly respected on bulbapedia, including by me, but I do not respect your version due to it being wrong and not to mention unsourced. Show me the interview that she says "I am Annice Moriarty" or "I did this under Annice Moriarty" or else leave it be for now until you can find such a source. Donohue is a caucasian-American who has no right to the Malagasy name Annice Moriarty, if she were to use that name do you know how much the Malagasy and Swahili communities would be upset with her? especially in these times when cultural awareness is so strong? Seriously, Annie is Annie, Kether is Kether. Kether was in that show for sure, absolutely, but she did not use Annice Moriarty because she would otherwise be appropriating an ancient malagasy name. thanks. All these claims on sites like IMDB (which is user-submitted, I have submitted to that site myself for various things), and does not often fact check itself. I am working on removing all Annice Moriarty credits from them, as is Annie herself. I am contacting Kether Donohue right now using my friend's e-mail and am going to make her aware of this post, so she can come and explain to you everything from her point of view. give it time as she's likely a bus woman. thanks. African Vulture (talk) 06:47, 10 March 2019 (UTC) African Vulture (talk) 06:47, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I am bringing a third party in just to help us figure this out. You need to find more better sources if you want to make this claim that Annie's name was used by Kether Donohue. The third party I found is Kogoro, another well-respected bulbapedia member. I want all of the Annice Moriarty stoff off that Kether Donohue not just because Annice Moriarty is my sister, but because there's nothing out there that officially verifies this. Leaving the real Annie asside, pesudonyms must always be verified before they can be added to places like this, it's in your own pollicies that you guys always push. thanks. African Vulture (talk) 07:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

## Idea for Pokemon move pages

Seeing as some pages are getting really long because of all the ways lots of Pokemon can learn certain moves, what if the TM/HM/Move tutor tables are combined into one? The tables could have a header on how the move is learned in that particular generation, and they all use check marks to signify compatibility anyways, so I think it's a simple change that can go a long way in presenting data. Lanthanum (talk) 13:40, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Gonna need to see what that would look like. I personally think TMs/HMS and tutor moves are completely different thing to be able to place into one table.--ForceFire 05:44, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
I wanna clarify that theyre really similar in move pages (say Defog), not in Pokemon pages (which should stay separate). You know how if a move is learnable by TM/HM the header displays the number of TM it is in a certain gen? If its learnable through move tutor, the header can read "Move tutor" instead. No move so far is both a TM and move tutor in the same gen, so conflicts between these shouldnt happen. Lanthanum (talk) 05:41, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

## Inappropriate comment

Hi ForceFire. Please have a look at the Professor Ivy's page and deal with the user responsible. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:57, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Dealt with.--ForceFire 05:44, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

## Annice Moriarty

Hello You keep re-adding an Annice Moriarty quote to the Kether Donohue page. Please look before you revert. Yo keep adding a thing "(as Annice Moriarty) even though Annice Moriarty is not a pseudonym for anybody let alone any American-born voice actress, because they would be appropriating a Malagasy name. thanks. African Vulture (talk) 05:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Please refer to my comment above. Don't create a new section to discuss the same subject, use the section that already exists. Thank you.--ForceFire 06:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

## Evolution templates on branched Pokemon

I noticed on pages for Pokemon like Gallade that are on one branch of a branch evolution, the Evolution section doesn't show the other branch (in this example, Gardevoir). I believe this should be changed, and that Pokemon on one branch should show the other branch in their Evolution template— the other branch is already mentioned in the introduction to the article, and I believe it would be very useful information to include, especially since the introductions don't mention the evolution method for the other branch. --celadonk (talk) 17:06, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I think it's better if you go to the template talk page, that way people will see it (and they'd probably rather have a discussion there rather than on an admin's talk page).--ForceFire 04:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
I considered that, but there are a bunch of evobox templates, and I didn’t exactly know which one to post on. --celadonk (talk) 11:39, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
The main evobox template already has a talk page, you can just use that one.--ForceFire 12:13, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Alright, I’ll post it there. Thanks! --celadonk (talk) 12:20, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

## Тиддлівинкс

Just seen Тиддлівинкс edit that she couldn't care less on AG156 to give a rat's ass--BigDocFan (talk) 19:03, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

AG158 sorry--BigDocFan (talk) 19:08, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
It's also worth mentioning that "Тиддлівинкс" is "Tiddlywinks" in Cyrillic letters... --celadonk (talk) 19:09, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, this user should've been banned at the very start, as his/her username violates Bulbapedia's username policy. --Maxim (talk) 19:10, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Dealt with.--ForceFire 04:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

## Deletion of the template 'Protected'

Hi, Since you just deleted it, see this discussion. If you wish to reply, please reply there. If you want to tell me anything off-wiki, then send me a private message on the forums (my username there is the same) email me directly.--Xanthipos (C@) 05:14, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Evkl just gave the go ahead in his comment. He also gave the go ahead in a private staff chat.--ForceFire 05:50, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

## Green/Leaf

My reason for replacing Leaf with Green is that you're holding a double standard with her. When Gold was renamed to Ethan, the admins made the decision of the games overrode any sort of supplementary material such as game guides that referred to him as Gold in Gen II. With the ORAS demo, this further confined to just the fully released games. Then with Elio/Selene, you guys used supplementary material since there was no established names in SM and USUM, which is understandable. What I don't get is why a figurine is the reason why "Leaf" is being held over, when the games should be, by Bulbapedia's standards, override any sort of supplementary material, since PE established her name as Green. Also, if you're guys are going to stick with "Leaf" in the context of FRLG, regardless, then shouldn't Ethan be referred to "Gold" in the context of GSC, too? Sinjoh (talk) 18:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

## Jessie Kane Gill

I was wondering given Nina's continuing role in Pokemon if it was worth giving Jessie Kane Gill a voice actor page.--BigDocFan (talk) 11:58, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

While she does meet the notability requirement, page feels so empty when she's only had one role (though there are probably other va articles that only lists one notable role), doesn't seem enough. Try get second opinions.--ForceFire 03:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

## Pokemon World in relation to real world notice idea

Could a notice template like (Template:Upcoming notice) be added to to discourage unnecessary editing and lower revisions that are brought the introduction of Galar, and to still allow for editing of previous regions. There also wasn't a notice up on that page before the full-on protection, which is probably why everybody thought it that it was fine to add Galar. Argentarus (talk) 00:19, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

## Autocomfirmed

How do I become autoconfirmed?MeItan (talk) 19:53, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Keep editing in the mainspace enough times. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:06, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

## Torracat talk page

Can you answer my question if Rowlet and Litten/Torracat interacted in any episodes. - unsigned comment from Feelitstill23 (talkcontribs)

I'm not sure how to answer that question, I haven't watched every episode of sun and Moon. Also, sign your comments.--ForceFire 13:07, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

## Pointless edits

Dear ForceFire, I remember writing that absolutely useless link to begin with simply because, guess what would happen, GrammarFreak01 would come along and add such useless links simply to get the latest edit on a page. I have complained about that user's edit stalking multiple times and spoken with the user about such matters, but they continue to repeat this conduct without consequence. GrammarFreak01 undid the link on the Rustboro City to begin with and that was all the user did in the revision, and it is was an unnecessary edit. I do not want that same behavior of unnecessary and pointless edits which the user has been spoken about to be enabled in any way. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:57, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I have to agree with GrammarFreak that the link is unnecessary (albeit for a different reason). Just because an article for Pokémon battle exists, doesn't mean you have to link to it every time the word "battle" appears.--ForceFire 05:32, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Please have a look at the latest changes to Scott and Norman's pages. The rewording is not needed, but for some reason GrammarFreak01 feels that such a change is required.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 06:06, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
I find the recent overuse of "reappeared in", "appeared again", etc., in recurring character articles to be highly repetitive and therefore unnecessary, and found the use of "In [episode title]" to be much better in quality. I apply exceptions to recurring characters who only appeared in two or three episodes in total, since there's still some justification for saying "reappeared in" without being overly redundant in terms of style. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Those were completely fine Pardescan, I agree that the over reliance on "reappeared" can make for a boring read. I don't mind using the word for when there's a large gap in between appearances, though.--ForceFire 06:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
On an unrelated note, I have noticed the extensive nature of the history summaries on some of Ash's classmates pages when compared with many of his former traveling companions. The list of Ultra Guardians missions will continue to grow as the series continues, and much of the details will be listed on the Ultra Guardians page. But I feel that for the characters themselves, these appearances should be only detailed on their respective pages if that specific character did something significant to the plot as opposed to simply being a part of the mission. Take for example Kiawe in SM061, which I consider unique enough to be mentioned, versus his role during the other missions. Thoughts? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 06:39, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps this is something you should create a brand-new section for. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:42, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Isn't that how it's done? If not, it should be. If a character doesn't do much in an important/story driven episode, then it shouldn't go into great detail about what they did.--ForceFire 07:31, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
After having added info to the Nurse Joy and Officer Jenny pages, I thought that idea would be the case, but not so. I have cleaned up {[an|Kiawe}}'s history section to show how much unrelated stuff there was present, and likely this will have to occur on all of the main SM characters' pages. Feedback on this edit would be much appreciated. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 07:55, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Joy and Jenny are completely different characters from Kiawe or any of the classmates. Only episodes where they do (major) things outside of their jobs gets noted. You're edit to Kiawe seems excessive. They're important episode and should be noted, but it shouldn't go into great detail if they didn't do much.--ForceFire 08:03, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
I understand where you are coming from, The edit was drastic, but was well considered in terms of significance. Having written the plots for these episodes it is in general a collaborative edit, with no stand out member usually. Maybe the missions should be listed like an achievements section?PardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:17, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

## Signing

Hello. It feels odd and not right telling you this, but apparently something went wrong with your signing on Chikomastr's talk page. For some reason, your four tildes didn't make a signature and your comment ended up unsigned. Kikugi (talk) 14:53, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Didn't "subst:" the template. Fixed now.--ForceFire 15:12, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

## Creating new userspace pages

You've recently written to me that I shouldn't put information about my situation at school. How can I create subpages to my userspace? --TheICTLiker4 (talk) 06:48, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

No. It does not belong here. Bulbapedia is not your personal blog. You can put it elsewhere, but not on Bulbapedia.--ForceFire 06:57, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Having read innumerable talk pages of people who don't read their talk page at all, I started to wonder if there is any way to force a user to read their talk page if the message was sent by someone from the staff, similar to how having to use preview can be enforced. Could be helpful for you guys. Kikugi (talk) 08:59, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

There isn't anything like force preview, the closest thing is to block them but let them have the ability to edit their talk page. And that's only for extreme cases.--ForceFire 12:20, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

## Request for deletion

Hello, could you help me to delete this? since BigDoc had created. Singaporean (talk) 08:40, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

## Mjhenry sockpuppet

Hey! It has just come to my attention that Mjhenry93 (talk · contribs) created Mjhenry83 (talk · contribs) as an alternate account. Just wanted to let you know. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

## Articles

Was wondering if several of my possible mainspace articles were ready for mainspacing

User:BigDocFan/Hala's Hariyama
User:BigDocFan/Professor Kukui's Braviary--BigDocFan (talk) 15:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Gladion1028 (talk · contribs) has in several occasions done multiple edits on one page in a rapid succession, editing each section he edits separately. In addition, he tends to make redirect links, especially with Pokémon species, as well as occasional grammatical errors, that need to be fixed. I just notified him of this, but I'm not sure if he's paid any attention to my post on his talk page. Just thought I'd let you know. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:34, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Yup. I'm pretty sure he hasn't paid attention to or respected my message. He still keeps on doing edits that way. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:36, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
I will have to concur. His edits and overall conduct seem very concerning as of now. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:38, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Will keep an eye out.--ForceFire 06:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:29, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you from me as well. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:52, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

## Hopoosucs

Hey! I'm a bit concerned on what Hopoosucs (talk · contribs) has to say here. I've since managed to delete that message and replace it with a welcome message. However, I think you probably should keep an eye out on them and their future conduct just in case, since that was just their first edit. We'll see where this goes from here. Thank you very much. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:04, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Probably a bit too quick to judge them, GrammarFreak. Hasn't really done anything worth coming to my talk page for.--ForceFire 05:01, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Okay. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:38, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

## Vandal

Hey! I've got a problem. It's pretty clear to me ポケモン理論家 (talk · contribs) is a vandal, posting unsourced information that he acknowledges may not be true. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:02, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

And it's getting worse. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:28, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

## Annice Moriarty

Hello I am going to make some edits based purely on two things:

• The knowledge that Annice Moriarty is most definitely not Kether Donohue, and
• The episode credits.

We know that both Donohue and Moriarty voice Lila, that was what Tom Wayland said. In fact it was Lila that was the source of the belief that Donohue and MOriarty were the same person, due to them both being credited and them both voicing the same character, albeit during different stages in her life. I will not add any biographic info on Ann. here's an easy way to gage my edits: If Kether Donohue's name appears in the episode, then we can credit her. If Annice Moriarty's name is there, then we must put Annice Moriarty.

I also want to remind you of something: I got 3 names for you:

• Allyson Johnson (Agatha)
• Kathleen Delaney (Rouge the Bat)
• Caren Manuel (previously believed to have voiced both Agatha and Rough due to her similar voice to Johnson and Delaney)

Remember that? That's the other reason why you have to be careful with pseudonyms. thanks. So my edits are based on the credits and what Wayland had actually said. thanks African Vulture (talk) 21:04, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

I guess what I am saying is that the episodes from the galactic battles DVDs credit Annice Moriarty in some episodes, notably the ones with Candice in them, not Kether Donohue. Donohue did for sure voice young Lila but Moriarty voiced adult lila. African Vulture (talk) 21:34, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

## Search bar problems

I'm completely unable to use the search bar at all. Every time I try to search for articles containing certain words, I get this message: "An error has occurred while searching: We could not complete your search due to a temporary problem. Please try again later." GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:42, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Staff are aware of the issue and have brought it up with the tech team.--ForceFire 05:59, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 19:10, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

## Lillie's Mansion

Was wondering if it was worth creating or working on a page for Lillie's mansion?--BigDocFan (talk) 09:44, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Not sure if it's that notable, but feel free to create a page in your userpage and the staff can evaluate it.--ForceFire 15:00, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

## Are you active right now

Hello I have no idea what time it is in Australia, wher I am it's about 10 to 9 in the morning. At the page Dimensions, Grammarfreak reverted my edits with no clear explanation on how it was poor. I don't speak or write in U.S. English as I am not American. My sister lives in America, not me. While English is not my first language, I speak it fine, but write differently than an American does, hence why Gramamrfreak doesn't likely understand me. I am going to go to Dimensions and restore my edit again, but right after I do so I will attempt to edit it, assuming that gramamrfreak does not revert it and give me an edit conflict error. Please respond sono as I don't trust Gramamrfreak's judgement here at all due to him not being clear as to his roll as a grammarfreak. more like deletefreak. African Vulture (talk) 05:57, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Resorting to insults, huh? Nice. >:( GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:11, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Here is the text I will add. It is an edited version of the one that grammarfreak says is poorly written to the point where he just can't edit it and instead deletes it.

here it goes:

How is that version? African Vulture (talk) 06:07, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

## Riley Joseph/Bobbi Hartley

Been trying to find out more information about Riley Joseph and Bobbi Hartley with little success, guess I am unable to mainspace User:BigDocFan/Bobbi Hartley and User:BigDocFan/Riley Joseph--BigDocFan (talk) 21:34, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

While it would be nice if the bios were expanded a bit, it's not something that is part of the notability requirements (technically it's fine as it is, but I personally just like to see articles whose bios are more than just one line). Both articles are fine to be mainspaced, as they meet the first requirement.--ForceFire 04:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

## Template protection

I've talked with Tiddlywinks about undoing the protection of {{Team Plasma}}, which I see as unnecessary at this point. It's been a couple of weeks and no further word has come from Tiddly yet regarding the subject. Can you help in any way? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Done. Was most likely forgotten that it was protected.--ForceFire 09:49, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. I figured as much. I've encountered a similar forgotten protection before. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:02, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

## Disputed moves

There are a few questions regarding disputed moves from the Sun & Moon series that I'd like to see getting answered. Can you help? I'll list some of them below.

• Kiawe's Marowak used Bonemerang in its debut episode, and I think the "Headbutt" the subtitles referred to was just a generic headbutt instead of Headbutt the move, especially since it has never been commanded to use the move.
• Lusamine's Salazzle definitely used a move while in Ultra Space. My personal guess is it's Sludge Wave. For some reason, the subtitles didn't identify this move at all.
• The Blacephalon from the Blacephalon and Xurkitree episode definitely used Mind Blown multiple times throughout the episode. That head blow-up trick isn't just some natural ability it has. Do you agree or disagree?
• Mallow's Tsareena definitely used Sweet Scent in the episode where it evolved. For some reason, Playerking95 or the subtitles don't seem to recognize this, despite the move being identical to Bounsweet and Steenee's Sweet Scent. What do you think?

I may have forgotten some disputed moves, but these are what initially come to mind at least. Waiting for your reply, FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC).

I would like to weigh in and say Tsareena used Sweet Scent. We've seen enough proof from its pre-evolved forms to know what it was doing.--Rahl (talk) 19:12, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
You know the answer to the first three, if the move wasn't called out or the captions doesn't say what the move is, then we won't add it. Yes, it use something, but we don't know what it is, and we are not going to guess and potentially be very, very wrong. On Blacephelon, from it's Ultra Sun dex entry: "Then, without warning, it triggers the explosion of its own head.", so yes, it is a natural ability it has.
For Tsareena, I've added it to my unique move animation page with the condition that its secondary effect takes affect and that it gets commanded/stated.--ForceFire 10:10, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
So seeing its effect on Rowlet being exactly the same as before isn't enough to confirm it?--Rahl (talk) 15:31, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
What Rahl said. And are we going to ignore the fact that the Bonemerang that's called out is animated identically to the bone throw Marowak did in its debut episode? Or that Blacephalon's Pokédex entry could be referring to Mind Blown? Also, saying that Salazzle doesn't have any known moves is an outright lie. We clearly see it using a move, even if it wasn't called out. Could it at least be discussed about and be "confirmed" that way? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:34, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm still unsure of if there are other moves that have the same affect and would have the same animation, hence the "has to be commanded" requirement. I don't recall whether it was called out in Marowak's debut, but if it wasn't, then there's nothing we can do. It could be either, but the way the dex entry is worded, implies that it's natural. For Salazzle, as I said, we're not going to guess the move and risk being absolutely wrong. No. And it says "none of Salazzle's move are known", as in we don't know what the moves are, not that it didn't use any moves.--ForceFire 07:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

## Playerking95's attitude

Sorry for starting yet another subject before you've even gotten to respond to the previous one, but me and Grammarfreak01 both recently asked Playerking95 why he doesn't respond to some of his talk page posts, and his response was as follows:

"I'm not responding since certain people aren't worth having a conversation with, when they're being stubborn and keep doing the same thing."

I personally see this kind of attitude/behavior being impolite, and thought I should notify an admin about it. Just in case. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:12, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

For further context, I approached Playerking95 about archiving his talk page. However, he didn't respond for days, hence FinnishPokéFan92's initial message and PK95's response. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:34, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
While I don't think asking him to make a userpage or archiving his talk page was necessary, that's something for him to decide, his attitude regarding talk pages is a known issue and he has been told to use talk page regardless of how "stubborn" a user is. I'll send a message his way.--ForceFire 07:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, but I disagree about the talk page part. In the diff I provided, it was really difficult for me to find a talk page discussion that I could use as a reference for another discussion I was having at the time. All of that would've been avoided if he organized his talk page efficiently. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:39, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

## Mega Evolution Related Articles

Shouldn't we link Mega Evolution on the Related Articles of all the Pokémon that can Mega-Evolve? (Don't you dare to steal this >: :P) SeeYaLater (talk) 19:52, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

No, that's not necessary. The "Pokémon with Mega Evolutions" category will suffice.--ForceFire 07:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

## BrockisdatingMisty

Once again, this user has disregarded your warning and in a pretty heinous way. Just pointing out. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

And they're also vandalizing the Ash's Meltan article. This is getting out of hand. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Now they're going on a vandalizing spree. Maybe it's time to let them go? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:31, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Dealt with.--ForceFire 07:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. :) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:40, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

## The Forest Pokémon Café!!

The title for SM121 is Mao's Valiant Effort! The Forest Pokémon Café!! and the summary suggests that this is the name given to Oranguru's Place. Was wonder if this would help getting the page mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 19:03, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Could just be a descriptor and not an actual name. Wait for the episode to air to see whether it's a name or not.--ForceFire 05:07, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
The summary found here suggests it is called Yareyuutan's restaurant, would this help its case?--BigDocFan (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

## Orville

Hello. I have just been editing EP211 and noticed that Orville has his own page, despite having only appeared in one episode to date, and there is no mention that it appeared in the manga or in games. I agree that the the Pokémon character was significant to the plot, however, other significant Pokémon characters that have only appeared in one episode do not have their own pages. I wish for this page to deleted, and relevant information transferred to Wilbur's own page, Thoughts? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 03:44, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

It was deemed notable by the former head of anime. While I personally don't think it's notable (as I've stated on its talk page), it is effectively a character of the day.--ForceFire 05:07, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm guessing a general consensus would need to be reached for any changes to occur? Would you discuss it with the other admins to have this change pushed through? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 05:30, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
May I ask what you mean when you say "former head of anime"? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:04, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
@Pardescan: I've brought it up with the others.
@GrammarFreak: An Editorial Board member in charge of a specific part of the franchise. In this case, Kenji Girl was the former head of anime.--ForceFire 06:43, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Okay, thank you for the clarification. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:52, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

## On User:YuYuYuuki

Do you think it's possible I could put her in my userspace? Something like User:Dancingbug11/YuYuYuuki. Because I enjoy listing tags (which is the reason I did that page), I was just having fun, and it's sad some of my work got deleted off the wiki. I agree it's strange to have an imaginary friend at this age, but it's how I live. I've got real friends too. I made it drink gasoline. (talk) 16:19, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

## Perish song

All other moves in the "moves that cause the user to faint" category make the user faint whenever they're successful. Perish song does it only if the move is successful AND the user stays in battle for 3 turns. If the category should include moves that can make the user faint under certain conditions, should it include recoil attacks or curse? sumwun (talk) 00:50, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

in sections i agree, but in item tables repeated links should be fine. also its been a while but i believe tiddlywinks was also of the same opinion as me. --EternalDragonX (talk) 08:07, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't mind repeated links in tables as well, just not for every row the name appears, especially for long lists as it'd be overkill and tiring from an editing standpoint.--ForceFire 08:53, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

## I try

I already tried everything, but it keeps marking me an error, it does not let me auto-confirm myself to upload and no tutorial helps me what do I do then? - unsigned comment from Grizzlyring123 (talkcontribs)

To be autoconfirmed, you have to make some edits and be a user for some time. So you have to make some edits to the archives to become autoconfirmed. If you're not sure what to edit, you can fix summaries or add missing categories.--ForceFire 06:04, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
I got into the files, I already confirmed myself in my main profile, but the system does not allow me to confirm myself, besides I already have many editions of files, if the system itself does not let me then do what I do.
They do not let me put categories to images, this is ridiculous. - unsigned comment from Grizzlyring123 (talkcontribs)
You need to be autoconfirmed on the archives, as in, not Bulbapedia. The archives and Bulbapedia's autoconfirmation are not linked. Also, read Autoconfirmed users, autoconfirmed isn't something like "email verification", it's a system criteria, you can't autoconfirmed yourself.--ForceFire 04:36, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

## Horacio's Vikavolt

Was wondering if it was worth creating or working on a page for Horacio's Vikavolt?--BigDocFan (talk) 13:38, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Going by the notability requirements, it would be notable. Think it's worth creating in the userspace first, and if it's good, can be mainspaced.--ForceFire 14:41, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
How does this look? User:BigDocFan/Horacio's Vikavolt--BigDocFan (talk) 18:45, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
OK to mainspace or does it need a bit more work?--BigDocFan (talk) 13:21, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I asked the other staff members for their opinion but go no response. Technically it's good to go since it meets the notability requirements, and I think the page looks alright. You may mainspace it but cite the notability requirements when you move the page, just in case.--ForceFire 13:52, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, mainspaced it, how do we leave redirect pages for Horacio's Charjabug?--BigDocFan (talk) 14:03, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Never mind, Reinhartmax (talk · contribs) has already done it--BigDocFan (talk) 14:06, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

## Who's That Pokémon Narration

I really couldn't hear exactly? If you have seen the episode, if Ash, Lillie, and Sophocles (in shrunken voices) and Mallow, Lana, and Kiawe (in normal voices) have narration the WTP episode segment? I mean it was hard to hear. From, Sean 00:23, 30 April 2019 (UTC)- unsigned comment from PokéSean (talkcontribs)

## Deletion request

Earlier today, I split the "Sun and Moon Shards" page into two separate articles, following the example of the Fossil pages. Should the original combination page be deleted now? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:12, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

It's fine to be deleted now that it's split, just as long everything on it it already in their respective articles.--ForceFire 13:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

## WTP Narrations

So let me get this straight. We don't list who narrates the Who's That Pokémon? English dub versions if it's only Ash and his friends. Abcboy, did Hapu narrate the WTP English dub segment of SM104? FinnishPokéFan92, because no one but Ash and Lillie appeared in SM096, they were the only ones who could narrate the segment. Force Fire because Ash read SM083's English dub title in his shrunken voice, he, Sophocles, and Lillie narrated the segment in their shrunken voices while Mallow, Lana, and Kiawe read it in their normal voices. From, Sean 00:54, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Not sure what you're trying to say. I don't think any of the episode says who narrates the "Who's that Pokemon" segment in the dub, just who narrates the episode previews for the Japanese episode. I also don't think it needs mentioning on who narrates the WTP segment, it's not that important compared to the episode previews.--ForceFire 04:15, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

## Mega Stone

Green's article shows her Blastoise having a held item, which don't exist in Let's Go. Could you remove it?
Also, speaking of Let's Go, is anyone going to make a Pokémon template for that? How's the Mega Stone going to be shown on them, if they're not held items? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:28, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

In Let's Go, the player just needs to have the Mega Stone in the bag to Mega Evolve the Pokémon. Thank you in advance. --TheICTLiker4 07:27, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

## Template edit request(s)

I just created articles for the three original fishing rods. I was wondering if the encounter templates for Pokémon found by fishing could include links to the specific rods too? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:21, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

I have created a new page revolving around all Pokémon available by fishing. Right now, it's only about Pokémon in Generation I that can be fished by the Old and Good Rods: click here to be redirected to this page. --TheICTLiker4 17:10, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Now I have a more minor edit request: with "PC", {{shopitem}} creates a link to "PokéCoupon", instead of "Poké Coupon" like it's supposed to. Could you fix this? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:54, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Done.--ForceFire 06:31, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

## Capital letters

When you're writing the adjective that comes from the name of a country (e.g. Polish, French, German), consider writing these with the first letter being uppercase. Thank you. --TheICTLiker4 (talk) 07:07, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

## Template Edit Request

Hey, ForceFire, I've noticed that Template:Vatable is missing several languages. Can you please add them?

• Albanian (sq)
• Lithuanian (lt)
• Macedonian (mk)
• Malaysian (ms)
• Serbian (sr)
• Ukrainian (uk)

In addition, Dutch should split into "Netherlands" (nl_nl) and "Belgium" (nl_be) just like Spanish/French etc.

Thanks in advance. Yaronos (talk) 13:28, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

## Team Magma Hideout split

Hey, there was a discussion spliting the page about Team Magma Hideout, and in general everyone agreed that the two locations are too different to be in the same page. With that in mind, I created two pages in my userspace: Team Magma Hideout (Lilycove City) and Magma Hideout (Jagged Pass), that are basically how the current page would be after the split. I was wondering if you could take a look at the subject. Thanks. Suic (talk) 03:02, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Team Magma Hideout info can remain on the page, since the location is referred to as such (adding the Lilycove parenthesis isn't needed). Jagged Pass hideout can be moved.--ForceFire 06:20, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

## M22 credits

I'm not saying they're gonna be replaced, but I really would like to know, if (when) the movie is getting a dub with that cast. They have not announced the cast yet, and probably will not in the near future. Smartorama (talk) 09:32, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Just because the dub cast hasn't been announced yet doesn't mean there won't be a dub at all. The anime is too popular to simply leave one of its movies undubbed, unless it contains something extremely insensitive, which we don't know. It's common sense at this point to assume there's a dub coming up. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:07, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

## OK to Mainspace

Was wondering how User:BigDocFan/Forest Pokémon Café was looking for mainspace?--BigDocFan (talk) 14:48, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Guessing it wasn't given any specific name, just "Mori no Pokemon cafe"? Other than that, it's looks good (though wait for abcboy to give his approval first).--ForceFire 15:29, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Will do, I'm going to check the subtitles to see if the Narrator gave it a name--BigDocFan (talk) 15:32, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Watching the subs, the Narrator refers to it is Orangutan's Café--BigDocFan (talk) 19:21, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Mixed the name up, I meant Oranguru's Café--BigDocFan (talk) 19:23, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Don't rely on subs. If the narrator calls it "yareyuutan no cafe", then there's no need to rely on subs.--ForceFire 04:47, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

## Shinx08 and Shinx089

It has just come to my attention that these two users share almost-identical usernames. They both also specialize in the "Origin" sections of Pokémon articles ([5] [6]). I think you should look into it. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:09, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Dealt with.--ForceFire 04:47, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:02, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

## Grandpa Forest

Was wondering if you think it worth creating a page for Grandpa Forest?--BigDocFan (talk) 09:33, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

It fits the notability requirements, so it's probably worth a shot. Go ahead and make one in the userspace and I'll (or the other staff) will review it.--ForceFire 04:51, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Created a page and with the help of fellow members including Chosen, I think it is now ready for admin to decide if it is OK to mainspace--BigDocFan (talk) 19:04, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Mainspaced.--ForceFire 05:13, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, its a pleasure as always helping Bulbapedia--BigDocFan (talk) 06:28, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

## Possible vandals

Hey! I'm a bit suspicious of the activity of ShylokVakarian (talk · contribs) and NigelTesterman1 (talk · contribs). Think you can check them out? Thanks. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:01, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

The latter appears to have been dealt with and I've given a message to the former.--ForceFire 04:51, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:17, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

## Chat

Hello, ForceFire. How are you? I need a little help. I have been blocked from the Archieves for quite a long time. I wanted to talk about something there, but no luck. And I didn’t mean to have a problem there and I want to help there again. So, if there’s anyway I can get unblocked? I want to make an adjustment on my profile page.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 02:44, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

According to the log, you've been blocked for repeated image theft, which is grounds for an indefinite block (especially if you have ignored warnings). Begging to be unblocked won't get you unblocked, and going by the severity of your block, you are not getting unblocked. Thank you.--ForceFire 04:51, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

I didn’t mean to steal any images. I only add what I search. And I wasn’t impatient and begging. I thought the indefinite block has been gone long enough, that’s all. And besides, I just want to help again without situations. Nothing personal. Can’t I just a get a time limit about my block, please?--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 08:59, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

## Is Bulbapedia's Gen 5 betamon info mostly rumors?

Hey Force Fire, how are ya. I made this Bulbapedia account just to send you this message.

I've got a YouTube channel that primarily focuses on beta Pokemon content (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QekTvy4UfoE), with an emphasis on having a source for everything. I'm working on Gen 5 now, and I was looking at Bulbapedia's unused Pokemon page. It seems that information regarding the beta of the Hydreigon family, Sawk, Throh, Tornadus, Thundurus, and Stunfisk is all credited to a Nintendo Dream interview with Ken Sugimori. But I've spent about 12 hours over the past couple days searching for that interview, or even a volume number that interview is meant to be contained in. I even googled around in Japanese. Couldn't find a thing. I asked my 22,000 subscribers for help, including some who are Japanese. No one could find anything. It seems Bulbapedia and many other sites have just been citing "a Nintendo Dream interview," and no one has been linking or citing a specific volume.

I'm thinking maybe it's meant to be volume 205, the May 2011 issue. But in that interview Sugimori only says that Hydreigon is based on the Yamata no Ochiri. I'm thinking all these quotes attributed to that Sugimori interview -- about dragon tanks, horned eyebrowless Oni, red Tornadus, and anglerfish Stunfisk -- probably don't exist, and that all Bulbapedia's Gen 5 betamon info is bunk -- all except Sawsbuck and Excadrill. I'd really like to be wrong though.

I tried combing through the page's history tab, but couldn't find where this information was added. Please let me know, I'd really appreciate it.

Btw, I also left this message on the page's talk page. My apologies if I shouldn't have done that, or if I've formatted this post incorrectly. I'm new to all this back-end wiki stuff. I tried sending you a DM in the forum but it said I needed more posts in order to send a DM. So I came here since you appear to be the most active admin.

Cheers Force Fire.

Dr Lava - unsigned comment from Dr Lava (talkcontribs)

I've responded on the unreleased Pokemon talk page. Ideally, only use one talk page to bring up an issue, it helps keep track of where the discussion is being held.--ForceFire 05:13, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

## Thank you

Thank you for deleting Film Review. Also, I think you should have a little talk with Tyciol (talk · contribs). That guy seems obsessed with Brock and Misty's surnames. I'd expect better from a guy who's been active here since 2010. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:26, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Looks like you already took care of that, though. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:28, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

## Ultra Beasts (anime)

Now that all the Ultra Beasts have appeared in the anime, I was wondering if User:BigDocFan/Ultra Beasts (anime) could be mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 10:08, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I think their important enough to be mainspaced, go for it.--ForceFire 05:57, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

## Professor Burnet

Hello, I see you undid my edit. I'm relatively new here (account since 2013) but do have familiarity with the general philosophical underpinnings of a wiki (I work with them all day!) and could use your help in understanding the polices and norms here. I don't dispute your claim that the English voice actor is correct. However I've been told that Bulbapedia requires reliable sources (see my talk page). I don't see any source for the claim. So I removed it thinking I was helping. Could you please help clarify how you know this is correct so I don't run afoul of future confusion? Thanks for your time. Ckoerner (talk) 23:35, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

BigDocFan asked the voice director via e-mail and showed me the e-mail confirming who played the role.--ForceFire 05:55, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for responding. Ok, that's cool thet we have a reliable source (the voice director) that can confirm claims like who voiced what character. Glad to hear someone (you) were able to verify the claim. I'm curious, as someone who is new around here, how am I suppose to know who has what information? How is it verifiable from someone like me, who doesn't know other users or what access they have? Heck, how do I know you're telling the truth! (I'm joking) Is there a place to learn this somewhere? It's really confusing as a newcomer and if I'm going to spend my free time helping here I want to make sure its not wrought with frustration. Thanks again for your time. Ckoerner (talk) 22:04, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
BigDocFan usually says in his edit summary that his source is the voice director (he can't actually show the e-mail publicly, he sends the screenshot to me privately). You can tell if an addition is legitimate if the user cites a source in their edit summary. Usually it'll be a direct source from the voice actor's twitter/social media confirming their role. Though that doesn't mean any edit without an edit summary is a false edit, always ask the user that added the information where they got it from.--ForceFire 07:45, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
I have to apologize on that occasion, as I was adding so many that day, I didn't always put admin approved email in the edit summary.--BigDocFan (talk) 08:09, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation – both of you. I think it's a little confusing still. This method of verifiability seems incredibly insular and wrought will potholes like the one I've called into. :) I'll continue to do my best to edit in good faith and assume the same from others. I appreciate your time and efforts. Ckoerner (talk) 15:08, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

## Matori's Meowth

Was wondering if User:BigDocFan/Matori's Meowth was notable enough for mainspacing?--BigDocFan (talk) 09:06, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Seems notable when it was a recurring wild Pokémon, but isn't notable now that it has an owner... I think it's okay to move, not sure if there'd be any objections.--ForceFire 15:51, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

## Articles for the mainspace

Hi ForceFire,

I have been working on several articles intended for the mainspace:

Could you please move them into the mainspace if deemed ready? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 11:09, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

The Chinchou and Wela Festival article seem bare. Not sure if you could expand it, but it doesn't really look nice being a few pictures and a wall of text (essentially). I'll let the other staff member give their judgement.
Alola TV station, Ho-oh shrine, Marie's father, and the Light trio look good to go. I think they're fine to be mainspaced.
Pershie hasn't really done anything major or had an impact on the plot. I don't think it's notable.
The other articles aren't within my forte, so you'll have to ask the others about those.--ForceFire 06:23, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply, could you mainspace the go-ahead pages to avoid having to delete an unneeded redirect?
As for the festival pages, they are in line with the other festival pages that are already mainspaced, do you think a gallery might make any difference?
I'll message someone in the merchandise space about those other pages. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 10:07, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
I've moved the pages I've approved. As for the festival articles, I did a quick check at the existing festival articles and there are some that are even smaller than your articles, so I guess with that precedence they're good to be mainspaced. If you want to add a gallery once I've moved them, you could, but you don't have to. I'll also be moving your Coumarine City festival article as well.--ForceFire 12:00, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, the effort is much appreciated. Also I was looking for a way to add the Ho-Oh Shrine & Alola TV Station to their respective region's anime-exclusive locations templates, where would the template be so I can add those changes? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 13:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
{{Animelocations}} has links to the region specific templates.--ForceFire 13:28, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

## Totem Pokémon

Having created a page for Ultra Beasts appearances in the anime, I was wondering if it was a good idea to do one for the Totem Pokémon, I'd include the ally Pokémon on the same page--BigDocFan (talk) 10:13, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Whereas the Ultra Beasts are fairly important to the series, I don't think the totem Pokemon are that important nor are they notable, even as a collective. All they've done is battle, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think they're notable.--ForceFire 06:23, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

## Unnotable SM103 content.

What made my edits on SM103 not notable? - unsigned comment from PokéSean (talkcontribs)

Wobbuffet always pops out of its Poké Ball. That "error" can easily be explained as Wobbuffet having popped out of its Poké Ball off-screen. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
First point, so what if they don't land in Bewear's den? it's not notable
Second point, made no sense whatsoever. I could not make out what you were trying to say here. So I removed it.
Third point, again not sure what you were trying to say here. And the "there were other parts" made even more confusing.--ForceFire 06:23, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Just why did it not show where Team Rocket landed or have Bewear rescue them in "Alola, All!"? It's not an episode now without her rescuing her buddies or even show land in her den. Anyway, the head was only blasting off but on the island where the trios see the twerps and twerpettes, all the other parts of Mecha-Meowth was there.
It doesn't matter is they do or do not land in Bewear's den. It's just not notable.
And what does that have to do with Wobbuffet? It could've been in his Pokeball, which Jessie would obviously have on her.--ForceFire 06:36, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay! So I understand the Wobbuffet issue. He is rarely in his Poké Basll. Case closed on that. But still, this is the Sun & Moon series. They always show the trio getting grabbed by Bewear. Not grabbing them or even seeing them getting grabbed is not right. Also? Where did they get Mecha-Meowth's other parts? They were just blasting off in MM's head. PokéSean 23:10, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
It doesn't matter if they land in Bewear's den or not, it's just not notable. And where they got the other mecha parts can be explained as anime physics or something. Don't think too hard about it and just go with it.--ForceFire 05:44, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay! It does not matter. But still, Bewear did poor judgement by not rescuing her buddies from Mega Gyarados. I know I should not hold a grudge on that but do you agree with me. PokéSean 01:12, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
I have not seen the whole episode but I saw the summary. The crew really should think about the Bewear rescues. I mean, it is not a bad thing. PokéSean 01:49, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

## Possible vandal

Check out SuperSaiyan27's contributions, we might have a vandal on our hands - unsigned comment from SweetLaplace (talkcontribs)

They've only made one edit, of which the edit is totally fine. They're not a vandal, don't assume bad faith.--ForceFire 11:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

well at least they're not a vandal SweetLaplace (talk) 01:00, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

## New vandal

Hey! I'm here to alert you to a vandal wreaking havoc on the Gulpin article: Bofadese Baltoy (talk · contribs). GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:25, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Never mind. Abcboy took care of it. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:34, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I see you reversed my edit about shiny shadow lugia. The reason I removed it is because shiny shadow lugia is not possible due to the XD shadow shiny lock. Therefore it's only possible to see this animation if you hack the game. I didn't think we included info about hacked scenarios here? I mean it's possible to see any animation if you hack the game hard enough....JMVB - very sporadic editor since 2008 (talk) 13:53, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, never played XD (only colo), so didn't know about the shiny locked. My bad.--ForceFire 06:07, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

## SweetLaplace

I'm a bit worried about SweetLaplace's ability to contribute seriously as an editor. [7] GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

I've given them a message.--ForceFire 07:46, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:33, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

## Sprites

I wonder why not use actual sprites from VI+? And where are the LGPE sprites? PokéSean 01:49, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I also wonder why the German wiki has animated models and move animations from the 3DS games, and why Bulbapedia doesn't have them? Your question's answer is: If using actual sprites would be the case, then Bulbapedia would cover another server and, even worse, drain its resources! That's because the actual sprites would need to be cropped. --TheICTLiker4 08:56, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
You mean the models? The SMUSUM models are there, just not the LGPE models. They just haven't been uploaded yet and the template hasn't been updated yet. And having animated models would put too much stress on the wiki as they are much, much larger than the animated sprites (especially if we're going to have multiple of them on one page).--ForceFire 09:42, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry, Force Fire, I meant sprites. But I don't know why they aren't on Bulbapedia, but are on the German wiki! --TheICTLiker4 07:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
You mean the images in the spritebox? Because we do have the Gen VII (bar LGPE) "sprites" in the template...--ForceFire 08:42, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
I mean animated sprites from the 3DS games, which are on the German wiki. See e.g. Pikachu. The section called Bilder has got animated sprites from Generation VII games. You can also press PKMN/Sprites und 3D-Modelle, with the earliest sprites appearing first on the list. --TheICTLiker4 18:57, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
So you are talking about the 3D models (they're not sprites, i.e. 2D). We do have them bar LGPE. Check the spritebox on the species articles. LGPE isn't there because they haven't been uploaded yet and the template hasn't been updated yet to support LGPE. As for why they're not animated. It's because it would put too much stress on the wiki, especially as they are much, much larger than the 2D sprite animations and since there's going to be multiple of those 3D models in the templates, having them all animated will make the site slower.--ForceFire 03:56, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
This male Pikachu's front sprite from X and Y looks like it is in 3D, but it is a 2D sprite. Even worse, the German wiki has GIFs, not AniPNGs. But I know, AniPNGs are of smaller size, have better quality and have a much richer color palette. GIFs are for buttons, not for animated pictures on this wiki. --TheICTLiker4 08:07, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Uh... no... that is (and the other models are) directly from the game. It's a 3D model. It's still going to make the wiki lag if we have them animated, especially with bigger models like Kyogre (and I don't think you understand just how many models we'd be having on the articles).--ForceFire 10:21, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
But the models from X and Y were passed to future games, so a normal Pikachu doesn't need to have 32 models, described in the table:
 XY ORAS SM USUM Male 2 2 2 2 Female 2 2 2 2 Shiny Male 2 2 2 2 Shiny Female 2 2 2 2
Each 2 in the table corresponds to both the front and back sprite. There are 16 2s in the table, and 16 × 2 is 32. The sprites for Let's Go are the same, though they lack their borders. I want to close this topic for now. I have even written to Lombrero about the use of AniPNGs over GIFs. The message looked like this:
Should the GIF files be in PokéWiki?
I think that AniPNG files are better than GIF files. They occupy less space in the server, have better quality and color palette. If you want to make AniPNG files, you need to download AniPNG (see here). GIF files need to be limited to buttons. The English Pokémon encyclopedia, Bulbapedia, has AniPNG files. That existed on Bulbapedia for a long time. Thank you for reading. --TrikephaloFan635 (discussion) 09:57, 29 June 2019 (CEST)
This was the original post (in German):
Sollen die GIF-Dateien in PokéWiki sein?
Ich denke, dass AniPNG-Dateien sind besser als GIF-Dateien. Sie beschäftigen sich weniger Raum im Server, haben besser Qualität und Farbpalette. Wenn Sie wollen AniPNG-Dateien machen, Sie müssen AniPNG downloaden (sehen Sie hier). VORSICHT: Diese Seite ist auf Englisch. GIF-Dateien müssen beschränkt zu Knöpfen sein. Die englische Pokémon-Enzyklopädie, Bulbapedia (sehen Sie die Hauptseite hier), hat AniPNG-Dateien. Das existierte in Bulbapedia für lange. Danke fürs Lesen. --TrikephaloFan635 (Diskussion) 09:57, 29. Jun. 2019 (CEST)
--TheICTLiker4 16:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
You're not counting forms and gender differences. They add to the count. And Kyogre is the biggest of them all (it's why there is so much whitespace with the smaller models). Imagine having a bunch of those bad boys animating on one page at the same time. Imagine how slow the wiki will run. That is what we don't want.
While I'm open to having a template that is specifically for the 3D models so we don't have to show duplicates, and I believe someone has a template made on their userpage (Celadonk, I believe), for now we don't have them animated for a reason.--ForceFire 05:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

## Elevators

Something that I've been wondering for a good time now: should elevators be given their own article? They've been pretty prominent in the Pokémon series since the very beginning, especially in the games. Do you think they'd deserve to have an article of their own? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:03, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

They may be prominent, but they don't really play a large role in the games. They're just elevators.--ForceFire 10:20, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Lesser things have gotten articles here, if I recall correctly. Plus, there are several items and trivia bits connected to them. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Such as? --ForceFire 12:14, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
The Elevator Keys, the infamous Lift Key; the fact that elevators are operated manually in Gens 1 to 3, either automatically or by talking to a person in Gen 4 and so on; the elevator glitch from Silph Co. in Gen 1... Or were you asking of the less notable things? Okay, maybe "equally notable things" is more accurate. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:32, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
I was asking for less notable things. The only thing that I can think of that would be less notable than elevators are things like "doors", "windows", or "escalators". There's a Chair article, but that is notable for being a decoration for secret bases. The elevator related items doesn't really make having an article about elevator necessary.--ForceFire 12:45, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Oh, well. I was figuring we could compare the elevator mechanics of different generations, but if it's not notable enough, then okay. I guess I was thinking that if gates or different types of floor tles deserve their own articles, why not elevators? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:41, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
There are several floor types of floor tiles, each having their own mechanic, so they are notable. There are several different gates across the seven regions, and some gates have other things outside of just acting as a passageway from one place to another. Elevators don't have anything special to them, they do what you expect them to do.--ForceFire 13:51, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

## Masters animated trailer

Here's an idea. Since the trailer for Pokémon Masters came out, how's about we make a page for it like we did with Black 2 and White 2 and Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire? That way we can help promote the game. Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 19:34 27 June 2019 (UTC)

MQ Dread is used to taking information from PokeBeach. I do fear that he might move the pages for Pokémon cards in the Unified Minds expansion. I should have ask Nuval-kal but he seems seldom acrive nowadays. MQ Dread also tend to do multiple edits to a page in a short span of time (not using the Preview button). He even does not check before redirecting or moving pages. I wonder if anything can be done about it. Sorry for disturbing. Thanks. — Ruixiang95 13:33, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Ah, he already moved the pages. — Ruixiang95 13:34, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
TCG is not my area of expertise, but if he's taking information from PokeBeach, you should revert him. Otherwise, for specific TCG things he's added, you should refer to a staff member with TCG knowledge.--ForceFire 13:58, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

## Pokemonmasterguardian91

This user's most recent edits have led me to believe he may be another sockpuppet account of Kittystyler (talk · contribs). The username is also reminiscent of past Kittystyler sockpuppets such as Pokegirl22 and Pokefan1996. Do you think you can look into it? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:21, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

I've checked their IPs and they don't match any other user.--ForceFire 05:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh, okay. Thanks! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:46, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

## Ilima's Eevee

With Ilima and his Eevee having appeared in 2 episodes and looking set to appear in more, was wondering if it might be worth working on giving Eevee its own page--BigDocFan (talk) 15:41, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

If it does more than just battling, maybe.--ForceFire 05:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

## Playerking95

Hey, could you talk to Playerking95? He’s undid my edits and I’m trying to talk to him about it and he’s been ignoring me for weeks. --Pikablu (talk) 21:15, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

I'll give them a buzz.--ForceFire 05:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you!--Pikablu (talk) 12:55, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

## Faba (anime)

Was wondering if User:BigDocFan/Faba (anime) was worth being mainspaced given his big role in the series.--BigDocFan (talk) 10:52, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

## Alcremie user

Hey! I understand that users aren't allowed to name themselves after Pokémon? I just wanted to let you know there's a new user whose username is the same name as the Pokémon species that was revealed today: Alcremie (talk · contribs). GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:21, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

I was aware. The policy grandfathers in (i.e. exempts) those that used the name before it gets blacklisted.--ForceFire 05:30, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh, okay. I didn't know that. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:26, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

## Notable pages

I looked at the Notability requirements and both Gladion’s Umbreon and Lycanroc fit. I think people have pages in their user spaces already. Could they be made into pages?--Pikablu (talk) 15:05, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Would be nice to see Umbreon be mainspaced as I've created a page for it, just have to wait for admin to get back. Did you (Force Fire) see my comment above regarding Faba?--BigDocFan (talk) 16:29, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Both Umbreon and Lycanoc would be fine to mainspace. Faba can be mainspace (Lusamine should get a mainspace article as well, she's an important character).--ForceFire 07:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Was wondering if the following pages could be mainspaced?
User:BigDocFan/Saki Endo
User:BigDocFan/Yasuyuki Kase
User:BigDocFan/Nicole Fujita
User:BigDocFan/James Weaver Clark--BigDocFan (talk) 18:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Not too sure of Fujita, has Curly appeared more than once? The rest are fine to be mainspaced.--ForceFire 06:37, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Curly has only appeared once so left Fujita's page to be worked on, mainspaced the others, thanks--BigDocFan (talk) 09:10, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

## SM129 Electro Ball

I dare say that the attack that Pikala's Pikachu used in SM129 was Electro Ball. We've seen Zap Cannon only a couple episodes earlier, and if you compare the two attacks, you can see some key differences, like the electric sparks around the orb of electricity. And the fact that it's an orb of electricity kinda disqualifies the chance of it being Hidden Power. And, as the most solid evidence of all, it looks identical to the Electro Balls that Ash's Pikachu also used earlier in Sun & Moon, with the same animation style. Do you think this is enough evidence? Please don't be a stickler. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:17, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Just the fact that both Zap Cannon and Electro Ball having similar animations rules out Electro Ball's animation being unique. Your description of the differences really means nothing, "electric sparks" is so vague... both are Electric moves, so that just becomes moot. Just because it looks identical to what Ash's Pikachu used, doesn't make it the same move if it was not stated to be the move. The animators and writers have been inconsistent before, and they still may be inconsistent today. I know it sounds like I don't trust the animators and writers, but we're just not taking that chance to be wrong.--ForceFire 05:06, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
I have enough eye for detail to compare Electro Ball and Zap Cannon side to side and see that they're not identical. We should pay more attention to detail and not just leave a move unidentified because it's "too similar" to another one. Please. Take a look at those two moves side by side. I definitely see some key differences myself. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:21, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
We're not going to let user guess moves with their eyes, like we're not going to let users guess voice actors with their ears. It's too risky and there is always a chance of being absolutely wrong. There may be differences, but you can't be certain the next time a move is used (and not called out) that it'll be the same move. The writers could make it another move, because they can. Our rules, while strict, is just pretty simple. Unless it has a unique animation, it has to be called out. Electro Ball neither has a unique animation or was called out.--ForceFire 08:02, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
• facepalm* The animation is different! You're not just looking at it clearly enough and don't trust people saying otherwise! I hate this level of being a stickler! Please! Stop it! --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
While we're talking about moves, could we circle back to Tsareena using Sweet Scent? I see no reason we can't confirm what its already used in a prior evolution.--Rahl (talk) 12:55, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
I said there may be differences, but we can't be too sure that the animators/writers are going to be consistent. Rules are strict for a reason, and you know the rules, no need to throw a tantrum. As for Tsareena, wait for it to be called out or wait for close captions.--ForceFire 06:37, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

But why do we need to wait for it to be confirmed? It already knows the move and showed it almost identically to how it did as a Steenee. If something like Parental Bond can be confirmed by just looking at it surely we can know when its using a move it already has.--Rahl (talk) 12:28, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

## AG176 mistakes

GrammarFreak01 (talk · contribs) has reverted my edits here and [8] about mistakes on AG176. GrammarFreak01 seems to ignore my questions why? Could you tell me what's wrong? PokéSean 01:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Both are totally valid reasons for removal. Butch could've left off screen if there was a large amount of time in between scenes. The second trivia was not well written, it took me a bit to realize what it was saying. I don't really remember much of the episode, so I can't say for certain whether those errors are truly errors.--ForceFire 05:06, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
When the trio picked the Poké Ball at the same time, they were surprised. But Jessie and James knew each other were there. - unsigned comment from PokéSean (talkcontribs)
Firstly, I apologize for not responding sooner. I saw the original message but was too preoccupied with personal matters to answer at the time. Secondly, it is unnecessary to point out Jessie and James's surprise as an error. You'd certainly be surprised if you and another person picked up the same thing at the same time, even if you already know the other person. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:27, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
But there was no reason for them to be surprised. They knew they were at the stadium when they saw Cassidy (disguised as a Nurse Joy). Also, how is Jessie seen cleaning up the Poké Balls after being flung by Thundershock? PokéSean 00:53, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear the first time: "You'd certainly be surprised if you and another person picked up the same thing at the same time, even if you already know the other person." GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
As GramarFreak said, you'd still be surprised to unexpectedly meet someone at an unexpected area, even if you knew they were in the area. As for you second question, anime physics. Don't think too much about it.--ForceFire 05:39, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
But Jessie and James should've expect it. So would Meowth because he missed them. PokéSean 01:13, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Surprises can still happen. Are you even reading my responses? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:09, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Fine surprises can happen but the trio should've expect it. - unsigned comment from PokéSean (talkcontribs)

## Lillie (anime)

i meant to put she’s the only classmate of Ash not specialize in a type

also my username comes from the song by portugal the man feel it still

--Feelitstill23 (talk) 00:28, 14 July 2019 (UTC)Feelitstill23

That makes sense. I've re-added it with the correct wording.--ForceFire 05:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

## Episode pages of Ash’s rivals meeting each and Rivals meeting team rocket

is it worth mentioning if ash’s rival meet each other or meet team rocket in the major events.

example gladion meets team rocket for the first time and bianca and trip meet each other for the first time.

1. how should it be worded, (rival) encounters team rocket, team rocket meets (rival ), or (rival) meets team rocket

2. should it be worded like (rival) and rival meet each other for the first time or (rival) meets (rival)

--Feelitstill23 (talk) 23:08, 14 July 2019 (UTC)Feelitstill23

It's only notable if the rival is meeting one of the main characters for the first time (so Ash, his friends, and the trio), rival meeting rival isn't notable. The wording is dependent on the context of the episode.--ForceFire 06:37, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

## Dawn and Signal Beam

2 questions.

1: have you noticed that Dawn’s socks change from in the middle of her knees to below her knees and back over and over in the anime?

2: why did you remove the bit I added to the Signal Beam Article?

--Jtarvin (talk) 17:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)Jtarvin

I removed the Signal Beam trivia because "Signal Beam" is not a term exclusive to Pokémon, so something else is bound to have the same name.--ForceFire 06:37, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

## Thief

In the most recent episode, Acerola's Gengar, which was previously seen as a wild Pokémon in the Ula'ula Island arc, was revealed to know Thief. While having a basic animation, the move was kinda similar to how Gengar stole items in its first appearance. Should we take this as it having also used Thief back then or do we say move to as only shown off now? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:04, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

If it was first commanded in the recent episode, then that was it's debut, especially if it's animation is way too vague/simple (also, the act stealing items doesn't equal the move Thief, like how the act of flying isn't the move Fly).--ForceFire 05:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Figured as much. I thought that maybe Gengar hiding the stolen items in its body would count as a part of the move, but I admit it's a bit vague if that's the case, so I'm fine with only counting the commanded use as the move. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

## Sokuon (っ/ッ) use

You reverted me for using tch instead of cch on the page In-game trade.

Actually, the sokuon (Hiragana: っ; Katakana: ッ), presented as small tsu, doubles a geminate consonant. That means it can double k, s, t and p, and their voiced variants (j can't be doubled). However, while doubling digraphs (sh, ch, ts), only the first letter is doubled, except ch, which, with sokuon, creates tch (rather than cch).

Example: 抹茶を買いたいのですが。 Matcha-o kaitai nodesuga. (This is because I connect particles in romanizations by a dash, so syllables like え and ヘ can be distinguished, as when ヘ is a particle, it's pronounced e).

This sentence translates to “We'd like to buy some matcha”.

Further examples of sentences with a sokuon:

あなたのバッグはいっぱいです。 Anata-no baggu-wa ippai desu. Your bag is full.

イッシュヘ行きます。 Isshu-e ikimasu. We're flying to Unova.

お母さん、ペットが欲しいよ！ Okāsan, petto-ga hoshii-yo! Mum, I want a pet!

I hope you'll understand this. --TheICTLiker4 10:57, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

## revert

Hello, how come you reverted the edits I made on ULtra Recon squad? I formatted it to be easy to read and folowed some other pages I found like it. is there a reason for it? I wanted to get the magicarp thing removed AlabasterWitch (talk) 20:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Because it was incorrectly formatted. We do not separate sections by bolding a word or place paragraphs as bullet points.--ForceFire 07:02, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

## Mainspace

Was wondering if User:BigDocFan/Masami Iwasaki, User:BigDocFan/Nozomu Sasaki and User:BigDocFan/Hapu's Mudsdale could be mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 13:42, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Iwasaki and Sasaki can be moved. Mudsdale hasn't really played a major role in the episodes it appeared in, so no.--ForceFire 06:07, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Was wondering how User:BigDocFan/Hau's Decidueye was looking?--BigDocFan (talk) 08:10, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Per notability requirements, all it has done in its appearances is battle, which make it not notable.--ForceFire 07:04, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

## Need your help on a new article

This article, Queenko, was created by Bardock on the basis that the closed captions revealed its name. I want to know if such a source would be considered reliable and if its information counts towards creating an article on a character like that. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:11, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

I've brought it up with the other staff members.--ForceFire 06:07, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Seems the other staff members deem it notable as well, citing that we do make articles for other named Performers and the Clubsplosion contestants that didn't do much having articles as well. As for whether we should make articles based off CCs, other CotD's also have articles where their name was only revealed through CC.--ForceFire 06:59, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

## sorry

sorry SweetLaplace (talk) 10:28, 26 July 2019 (UTC) >.<

## Ban me

Can you contact someone to ban me (even preferred delete my account) and delete all my messages please? SeeYaLater (talk) 16:40, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry to get involved, but out of curiosity, why would you want yourself to be banned? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:42, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

## Professor Sycamore (anime)

I know that Professor Sycamore hasn't appeared in years but was wondering if he was worth having an anime page similar to Kukui and Oak as his role was quite substantial in XY--BigDocFan (talk) 21:07, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

I think an anime article for Sycamore is fine. His anime section is quite extensive, so go for it.--ForceFire 11:40, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

## Dunsparce Origin Edit

I honestly don't think the sphinx connection was too big of a stretch. If Dunsparce can be a visual pun on bee snake, what's wrong with a visual pun on sphinx caterpillar? Sphinx caterpillars were named for their resemblance to the Egyptian Sphinx and I could definitely see Game Freak exaggerating these sphinx-like features (though toning them down in a more natural way). This seems better connected to the Tsuchinoko than the feathered serpent, at least. It might not be true, but I'm sure there are plenty of other Pokémon origins that Bulbapedia hasn't hit on the head. To me though, it seems far too coincidental not to be and I've already had several others to agree with my theory.

I'm not trying to sound hateful or whiny, but it seems unfair for the theory to be chopped down without evidence proving that it's only a stretch. I do appreciate that you didn't remove my entire edit, though. Icycatelf (talk) 05:19, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

I removed it because Dunsparce doesn't look like the Sphinx. The actual insect being named after the Sphinx is irrelevant to Dunsparce. The spikes on Dunsparce's chin being a beard or the Sphinx's two legs are a real stretch, as they don't remotely look like legs. The "pyramid" is another stretch, as the tip looks nothing like a pyramid. I kept the rest (about the insect) as that was more plausible than the whole Egyptian paragraph.--ForceFire 12:24, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I feel that the sphinx-like features are somewhat vague since the caterpillar, said to resemble the sphinx, also doesn't look all that much like one. While the chin prongs don't look like the sphinx's legs, their positioning is reminiscent of a sphinx while their shape more closely resemble caterpillar legs. I agree that a cone and a pyramid don't look quite the same, but I thought it was worth mentioning since it's a triangular shape positioned behind what I felt looked like a sphinx, as pyramids are commonly depicted behind a sphinx, and may have been smoothed down for a more natural appearance. Here's a journal I posted (with images) that may or may not make the theory seem more convincing. [9]

It's fine, though. Other fans can interpret the (possible) sphinx caterpillar inspiration as they like. Icycatelf (talk) 15:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

## Formulae on Bulbapedia

PokéWiki, the German encyclopedia of Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis supports  tags, but Bulbapedia doesn't, and we have to add pictures of mathematical formulae instead. Why? The input

$EXP= \begin{cases} \frac{n^3(100-n)}{50} & {n}\leq{50} \\ \frac{n^3(150-n)}{100} & {50}\leq{n}\leq{68} \\ \frac{n^3\left \lfloor \frac{1911-10n}{3} \right \rfloor}{500} & {68}\leq{n}\leq{98}\\ \frac{n^3(160-n)}{100} & {98}\leq{n}\leq{100} \end{cases}[itex] would eventually get you to Thank you for reading. --TheICTLiker4 10:24, 8 August 2019 (UTC) An image is far, far easier to do than all that.--ForceFire 12:49, 8 August 2019 (UTC) I don't know about that, also, the [itex]$ tags seem much more flexible and easier to edit afterhand if we would need to fix or tweek something then uploading a new image. --Raltseye prata med mej 00:34, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
I think we should talk about this with a Webmaster because I know that Force Fire is not a Webmaster, but a Senior Administrator. --TheICTLiker4 06:51, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
I really want this extension. At the moment I make formula images by using the Math extension on Wikipedia anyway (and document the LaTeX markup I used to generate them on the Archives file pages), so it would hopefully be fairly easy to replace all of the images with their source markup if we ever install it. It would certainly make it much easier to tweak formulas when there's some minor issue that needs correcting. I've asked for this extension before, but never gotten any indication that it was being looked at being added. Adding new extensions is a server-side problem, so it's in the scope of the Webmaster's duties, but Archaic is always very busy. --SnorlaxMonster 09:31, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

## Galar templates

Recently I created the {{gal}} as a standard "<subject> (region)>" link template. I would've preferred to use "ga" but that one was already in use. Now I'm wondering what shortening should I use for the Galarian equivalent of {{alo}} to create an easy way of linking Galarian forms without having to write "[[Regional variant|Galarian]] {{p|Pokémon}}" every time. Any suggestions? PS. Should the "gal" template be protected like the other similar link templates? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:01, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

I've protected the "Gal" template. As for the Galar equivalent for "alo", I think Glr would work just fine.--ForceFire 11:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion. I didn't even consider that shortening. Template has been created. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:33, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

## Manalo Conference arc

As you saw, there has been some disagreement regarding which episode is counted as the beginning of the Manalo Conference arc: SM128 or SM129. I personally lean towards the latter because that's where the League was officially declared to have started, which has previously also been the signal to start counting the episodes as Pokémon League episodes. What's your opinion? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:15, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

You also might want to consult with Reinhartmax about that. He said this to say about the matter. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:12, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
With all due respect, I trust Force Fire's opinion more on the matter. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:32, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
The first appearance of the league marks the start of the arc. It's not the competition that has started, it's the arc.--ForceFire 11:52, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Good point. Yeah. Sorry for the edit war. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:06, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Duly noted. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:58, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

## Shaymin's Aromatherapy

With all due respect, isn't retrospectively confirming a past move a thing anymore? Because seriously, I am 100% certain that the move Shaymin used in SM117 was Aromatherapy, especially since it was now named in SM134. The animation was identical. This is ridiculous. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:35, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I think we should wait for the captions for SM133, if they reveal Aromatherapy then it can be changed to SM117--BigDocFan (talk) 10:36, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Words can't describe how much I hate that "let's wait for captions to confirm it" rather than using our own eyes and head. We used to do that all the time before SM. This is exactly the same as with Bolt's Electro Ball a few episodes back where Force Fire didn't consider it confirmed, despite Electro Ball and Zap Cannon having several key differences that make them look different. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Even if it was Aromatherapy at the time, it was still first said (revealed) in SM134, not SM117. And even then, healing other Pokémon or cleansing other Pokémon is something that Shaymin can naturally do, according to its dex entries.
And just so you know, we didn't just start getting strict on moves during the SM series, we've always been strict on moves since way back when, it's just being enforced harder this series because of the amount of time people keep guessing moves. You would rather us to possibly be wrong (or have possibly false information), than to wait for confirmation.--ForceFire 11:52, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Okay, with the latter point, I admit I may have not just noticed that, but for the former, I'm also getting tired that you brush off some things as a Pokémon's natural ability instead of a move, like this case of Aromatherapy or the earlier case with Blacephalon's Mind Blown. But SM117 is coming out in the US soon enough, so I have patience to wait for it and see what the subtitles have to say of the matter. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:51, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Even if the Dub cc says that it's Aromatherapy, the move wasn't explicitly stated until SM134, making that episode the reveal episode.--ForceFire 12:58, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

## Ash's Meltan Thunderbolt

Was wondering if you could have a look at the talk page for Ash's Meltan with regards to the Thunderbolt conversation to confirm we can have it using Thunderbolt--BigDocFan (talk) 15:10, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

## Pokemon FRLG Safari Zone Research

I have recently completed a large amount of research into the Kanto Safari zone. I have attempted to update the page with the new information which has been incorrect since 2011.

My research results can be found here: https://www.docdroid.net/LN3ZsgK/safari-zone-research.pdf

If you have any issues with anything please let me know before removing my edits. Formatting new tables from scratch and getting this information has been very time consuming and having this new information removed without any explanation is very frustrating Shiny TRex (talk) 19:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I reverted it because it was initially unsourced and you had added unnecessary category tags. I have no knowledge on the more complicated datamining stuff, so if you want to discuss with someone else to help solidify your research, you can.--ForceFire 05:42, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

## My userspace

Sorry, Force Fire, I made too many edits to my userspace today... --TheICTLiker4 14:17, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

## Marvelfan2011

It appears they may have posted links to streaming sites again. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:42, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

They're now becoming uncooperative and unruly. I don't sense any ability to contribute positively from this user. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:50, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I've given them a stern message.--ForceFire 06:36, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. :) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

## Unified Minds

Not sure what you mean by stealing. These fan sites just have scans of official product. Same with any video opening. - unsigned comment from Chicken008 (talkcontribs)

Taking information from other sites without their permission is stealing. If they got it from an official source, then the official source is the source, not the fan site.--ForceFire 05:18, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

## Lauren Kammerling

With their roles of Acerola and Nanu, was wondering if User:BigDocFan/Lauren Kammerling and User:BigDocFan/Michael McMillan could be mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 15:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Both of them can be mainspaced.--ForceFire 16:25, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Was wondering if User:BigDocFan/Barrett Leddy, User:BigDocFan/Gilles Motais, User:BigDocFan/Samantha Cooper, User:BigDocFan/Nicholas Corda, and User:BigDocFan/Jeremy Levy could be mainspaced as well?--BigDocFan (talk) 08:00, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
All five of them can be mainspaced, though Motais needs to be formatted properly first (to be like the other VA articles).--ForceFire 10:33, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
As Corda was mainspaced, was wondering if his Japanese counterpart User:BigDocFan/Kazuyuki Okitsu could get mainspaced as well?--BigDocFan (talk) 14:05, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
If Corda's notable, than Okitsu is too.--ForceFire 14:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

## Re:Aromatherapy

Actually, when I saw SM117 today in the dub, the attack was revealed in closed captions.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 16:34, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Does CPG need to post you a screenshot of the subtitles as proof, or why are you not approving this source that has previously been reliable enough? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:22, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
As I stated before in our previous discussion: Even if the Dub cc says that it's Aromatherapy, the move wasn't explicitly stated until SM134, making that episode the reveal episode.--ForceFire 17:25, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
...Excuse me, but templates clearly say "first used in", which refers to the first chronological instance the move was used, not when it was first called out. In this case, it's irrefutably SM117. The move was revealed in that episode, not in SM134. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:40, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

I didn’t mean to revert. Just making a point. I never give wrong information. If you watched SM117 this morning, you would’ve seen the attack was used according to the captions. Sure nobody didn’t mentioned that move, but it was revealed nonetheless.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 18:38, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

## Hi

Was wondering the following voice actors were OK to receive their own VA pages? Tamir Cousins-Ali, Graham Halstead, Brian Kim, Samantha Moon, and Caroline Spinola--BigDocFan (talk) 06:34, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Depends on if they meet the notability requirements. Not sure who they voiced, so I can't really give an answer.--ForceFire 06:41, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Tamir Cousins-Ali (Rango)