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Hope you're not working on classifying "side-effects"

Imma start work on the talk page to make a parseable table. --Raijinili (talk) 03:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm currently just going through all the moves (alphabetically) to figure out which ones have side effects. I don't mind you helping out.--ForceFire 03:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm up to Powder Snow >.>. I'm doing it a different way. --Raijinili (talk) 04:18, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Recoil, user-stat lowering (Close Combat), and draining are not "additional effects". They might be called primary effects. Additional effects are generally those that are affected by Sheer Force, Shield Dust, and Serene Grace, and none of those are. --Raijinili (talk) 22:09, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Replied on the talk page of Additional effects.--ForceFire 02:38, 15 January 2014 (UTC)


Force Fire, Tacopill had made more than three userspace edits, will you warn this user about the userspace policy? Cinday123 (Talk) 02:49, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Old spellings for older moves

Force Fire, will you undo my edits since you said we are allowed to use new spellings in the anime, because we do not need old spellings. Cinday123 (Talk) 03:18, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I would like to know why you yourself can't do the task. You can simply undo them by going to the history tab, find your edit and click the undo button next to it.--ForceFire 03:24, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Archive protection

Hey, can you protect my talk page archive (talk page}? Thanks in advance. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 08:01, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Done :).--ForceFire 08:04, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! --It's Funktastic~!話してください 08:05, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Item maniac in Generation VI

Force Fire, do an item maniac make a return in Generation VI or not? --Cinday123 (Talk) 10:28, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't know, I don't have the game. --ForceFire 11:02, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Meta game trivia

This sort of trivia are unnotable as we are a wiki, not a strategy guide.
While this is usually practiced on other pages, there a few notable exceptions… 18 of them, to be exact. Each type's Characteristics section is basically a miniature Smogon, complete with popular moves, strategies, and evaluation of metagame effectiveness. Much of these Characteristics are theories based on metagame critique. To put it simply: Why are these here? Moves aren't analyzed like this, Pokémon pages don't get anything like this. So why the types, which on their own don't really provide much of an education into the metagame? Sorry to bug you, but I felt like raising the question. --TheVeryBest 08:14, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

This is something I've been wondering myself too, but never really bothered to bring up. I'll mention this to the other staff members and I'll have an answer afterwards.--ForceFire 01:58, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Mewtwo edit warring

There have been 10 edits on Mewtwo's Bio since yesterday arguing about who created it in the games, anime, etc. Help us, Forcey-wan Firobi; you're our only hope. --TheVeryBest 19:56, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Anyone who's seen the movie or played the games should now who created Mewtwo in their respected mediums. A group of Scientist for the anime, and an unknown scientist in the games.--ForceFire 01:58, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Team Plasma

What was wrong with Team Plasma's article? Likewise that of the Team Plasma grunts?

Jdogno4 (talk) 09:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

There was nothing wrong with the pages in the first place. You just simply made unnecessary changes, there was nothing wrong with the grammar.--ForceFire 09:11, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Oy, what's the idea with locking the article page. - unsigned comment from Jdogno4 (talkcontribs)

I locked it as you keep adding those unnecessary changes. Did you read your talk page? cause it looks like you didn't. I will not repeat what is said on your talk page, as that pretty much sums it up.--ForceFire 06:10, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Archives editing and uploading

Looks like the Archives are once again locked due of upgrading the site, and I can't upload WTP_XY003.png picture that I found it. Would you add this picture, so I can add it on the episode XY003 and Who's That Pokémon? pages? Pikachu65 10:22, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Not sure if the archives are safe to edit/upload. Not sure if the upgrade is done yet. So just wait for a few days.--ForceFire 02:13, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Right. I found this! Can you tell me if it's an error or not? 'Cause I'm going to add it. I've also noticed Bonnie and Serena were imitating Caterpie and Swadloon. We can't add this because it's a waste of time. Pikachu65 13:22, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
So... what's the error? You can't just expect me to magically know what I'm looking for.--ForceFire 13:37, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Alright now, it's Clemont's teeth, you can see the colors of Afternoon, right? And they are white, not in the colorization of Afternoon. You know what I mean. I guess adding Bonnie and Serena imitating Caterpie and Swadloon would be added, huh? Pikachu65 13:41, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Ehh, for me, it's not much of a big deal. So I'd say no. Also, not sure if you want to put the Serena and Bonnie thing as an error or if it is a trivial thing, because either way, it's not notable.--ForceFire 13:46, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Well, Clemont's teeth error would be notable (I mean white color in the colorization of afternoon?), but Bonnie and Serena imitating Caterpie and Swadloon would be added to the trivia, so it will do a trick here. Pikachu65 13:49, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Like I said, not a big deal. The Serena and Bonnie thing is not notable. The only reason we mention Pikachu doing imitations is because it is a series running thing that has been happening for a while. Bonnie and Serena doing it in one episode is not notable.--ForceFire 13:52, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes! They were doing this for fun, that's all. So this one is not a big deąl, really. Pikachu65 13:54, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Pokemon Conquest Moves

Hello. Not long before I posted this, I was adding tables to the various moves used in Pokemon conquest. However, I happened to find a website where they use images right from the game to show the area of effect moves have, such as this one here. Would it be preferred for me to stick to the tables being used now, or to upload these images and use them instead? Drake Clawfang (talk) 21:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Try bringing this up to Kogoro, as she's the Archive's Editor in Chief, so her input would be important. --ForceFire 02:13, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Will do. Drake Clawfang (talk) 04:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Error Images

For the error images, is the staff aware about any of the pages with more than five error images? That way, if they are, I won't put in any tags telling them which page has over five. PattyMan 02:51, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Considering the fact there is over 800 episode episode page, I don't think the staff are keeping track of how many images are there on the page. We trust that users will follow the five image per episode rule. --ForceFire 03:23, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Ok. PattyMan 03:35, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


I will resume lurking and the occasional spelling/grammar edit, then, if that's okay with you. As I come from a large wiki, where we have our own little cliques, seeing a new person being bold tends to ruffle a lot of feathers, and I haven't really seen a "be bold" policy here. Thus, since there is none, then I will stop being bold and resume the occasional maintenance edit.

The confusion resulted from the userpage being displayed and basically a message asking for edits. I supplied what information I could, section by section, as opening a very large page in its entirety is very confusing. It is much easier to keep track of what's done by working by section, and that is where Preview doesn't help (which I used every single edit, including this one).

I admit that I didn't see the in-use tag when I started. However, when it was asked on the Pokémon-Amie talk page for edits, and I felt I should add what I could, then the message was mixed. The task would have been very simple; if a page is not public yet, don't display it.

That being said, and my own experience with cliques, I can see where I'm not wanted and will be returning to lurking. Wookieepedia needs my attention more, anyway. Trak Nar (talk) 08:00, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

New Pokémon

Have you seen Hoopa and Volcanion as well? I was thinking we should create sandboxes for them too. I would do it myself, but unfortunately I have no idea how those templates work.

From what I've gathered, Volcanion is Fire/Water type, and Hoopa is Psychic/Ghost. I found their level 100 move sets, abilities, and types here. I'm not sure about the accuracy of the leak, but they are pictures of a real 3DS, so I assume they are pretty accurate. --FireGambit (talk) 03:00, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Until they are confirmed to be real, they are unconfirmed. We only have Diancie because it was just revealed in a corocoro magazine.--ForceFire 03:03, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Alrighty, then. Thanks for your time! --FireGambit (talk) 03:06, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Also, a small question: How do I make a sandbox page? --FireGambit (talk) 03:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

You can create it by making: User:FireGambit/Sandbox.--ForceFire 03:13, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm a little confused about what is found 'notable' in trivia. Would you mind explaining? --FireGambit (talk) 04:22, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

That's actually something I'm unsure of myself, as everyone has their own views on what is notable. I've written an unofficial policy that kinds of narrows down what is notable and what isn't based on my experience with trivia. In regards to your Smogon mascot trivia, fanon aren't really considered trivia.--ForceFire 04:39, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Image Upload Issues

Hi, mate. Long time user and occasional editor. Just trying to upload pictures of the 2005 Subway promotional toys and I am being told that I do not have the permissions to do so. Cheers. -- Lachynorms (talk) 02:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

New comments go at the bottom by the way. Also, you can upload images via the Archives. Don't know if there is a number of edits you have to make in order to upload an image, but I'm pretty sure there isn't. --ForceFire 02:46, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, mate, first time I've posted on someone's talk page. :) Yeah, I've attempted uploading the image there but an upload error stating 'You do not have permission to create new pages' appears. The images would go a long way to completing that page so I'd like to get 'em on there! Cheers, mate. --Lachynorms (talk) 02:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Have you been email confirmed?--ForceFire 03:14, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Yep, although four years ago, mind you. I attempted with some other images to no avail. Quite unsure what to make of it. --Lachynorms (talk) 03:22, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Looks like you do have to make some edits to the archive in order to upload. Not sure what exactly you can edit there, as the archives are only used for uploading images. Your account must also be on the archives for a considerate amount of time, which I'm sure you have that done as you've been for over 4 years.--ForceFire 03:29, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Alright, I'll do what I can in the meantime. Cheers for the help, mate! --Lachynorms (talk) 03:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

XY016 error

Wait. I know it's not an error, but please take a look on this for a second. Pikachu65 13:34, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Eh, I feel that is a bit wrong. Her nose and eyelashes appear to be too high on her face when it should be lower as she is facing Bonnie. It's her hair, not part of her face.--ForceFire 13:42, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Seriously? Then put the delete on it that is not an error. Thanks for your advice. Pikachu65 13:44, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
We had already talked about Zigzagoon's mask in XY010 before, but there's something that is bothering me. Pikachu65 13:52, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
I guess that could be an error. --ForceFire 14:11, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Really? Its eyes? Pikachu65 14:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm not saying it isn't an error. I'm saying it could be an error. --ForceFire 14:39, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Aha, so when it's closing its eyes, this could be an error. They used different color on its mask. I thought its mask is always black... Pikachu65 14:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
The mask is always black. The eyes (or the outlines rather) should be of a lighter shade.--ForceFire 14:56, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Yeah! Then let's add this on XY010 about its eyes closed or something, not the mask 'cause everyone know that it's always black. Pikachu65 15:02, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Hey! Look what I found. Can you tell me the difference between Ash ans Serena's mouths? I think it's their teeth. Pikachu65 10:30, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that would be an error.--ForceFire 12:56, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Great! Now you see the difference. It's their teeth, the are colored pink like tongues instead of white. There's no way we can add the Rena's bag error with the clip, which is an oval shape when it should be a diamond shape. Pikachu65 12:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey! Look at this here here Do you see the difference? I need to know. It's his blonde hair. Pikachu65 12:09, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm not too entirely sure about it. The fact that it is sunset in that scene, implies that the darker shading is normal. No 100% sure. Ask for second opinions, I'll leave the error in the error section for now.--ForceFire 12:28, 27 February 2014


Okay! Pikachu65 13:26, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi there! I found this. I think it's not an error. Am I right? Pikachu65 17:43, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Major miscolorings are errors. In this case, it is.--ForceFire 03:32, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Right. [[1]] I think there should be 13 errors in this page, but the limit of the error images must be five. We need to talk to Kogoro about extensing the limit up to 15. Pikachu65 09:38, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
If you want, you can bring it up to Kogoro. If you want my opinion, five images is more than enough. I personally do not like to see sections that are loaded with images.--ForceFire 09:40, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes! But there must be more images. I will talk to her/him about extensing the limit, so this case will be solved. I don't care if five is enough, but that's not enough - 25 is enough! That's why we need this limit extension. Maybe 7 o 10 images would be enough. Pikachu65 09:42, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

New image for template

Hi there, I uploaded an anipng file to replace the gif that the current suspected evolution template uses, but cannot update the template myself. New image is here. --Jdthebud (talk) 21:24, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

There seems to be a problem with the image animation. Probably best not to update it yet until it gets fixed.--ForceFire 02:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
fixed now, so feel free to update it. Can you also tag the .gif for deletion when you are done? Jdthebud (talk) 00:35, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Cool. I'll update it now and place the delete tag on the old image.--ForceFire 02:36, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Diggersby (Pokémon)#Name origin

As one who was skeptical of Relicant's reasonings in Talk:Chesnaught (Pokémon)#Knight (and as a staff member), I'm curious to know what you think of Relicant's arguments for "rood" as an origin for Diggersby's Japanese name (Horūdo).

I do not believe there is enough substance to support "rood" as a possibility, but I'm sure Relicant wouldn't just let me remove it (and that would lead nowhere), so I need some authority to judge this and give it a solid resolution. If you (and/or other staff) judge that, thin though rood's substance may be, its possibility still cannot be absolutely denied, then I'll be happy enough to accept that. I really think it's much too unlikely, though... Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:19, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Rood is also a measurement of land, which is supported by its Ground typing. Whilst I think it is a stretch, it does fit in a way (again, Ground typing). Even if it is an obscure word. I'd probably just leave it in there for now.--ForceFire 02:55, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Coding for the infoboxes

Hi Force Fire, I was wondering if you could give me the coding for the Pokemon infobox template? I want to make my infoboxes on this wikia I'm creating look like that. I will not copy them completely, I plan on tweaking the design a bit. Thanks :) TheManofTomorrow (talk) 00:22, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Send Back

What's the difference? It did stated to be Lick I saw the episode and other characters mentioned this to be lick.--JasonL 13:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Blaziken Mask / Meyer

Is there any discussion anywhere on merging these two pages? There is no spoiler left. They are now revealed in North America to be the same person. It's time to merge rather than try to protect spoilers for those who might not watch it in the next five years.

I have an idea for how to do this; I would rather be bold and go ahead and do it, but in my experience here (unlike Wikipedia) find my bold attempts quickly reverted. Will there be a reason that they cannot be merged or can we finally go ahead and do it? CycloneGU (talk) 14:24, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Pokémon Trainer's Choice

Why are you adding "good" choices? Those questions ask for the best choice, and having the most resistances and advantages makes Treecko and Crobat the best choices. We shouldn't even bother with any other choice unless it has just as many resistances/advantages as the best one. I'm curious as to why you think it's notable to mention Carvanha and Togetic. --TheVeryBest 05:38, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Because they would also be good choices. Yes, it's asking for the best, but we can't just ignore the fact that other choices would also make good choices. Also, having the "most resistance and advantages" is akin to having "better stats". For all we know, whoever wrote these question was probably only going for "X beats Y because it's Z type" not "X beats Y because not only is it Z type, it also resists Y's typing".--ForceFire 06:15, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
If we can't assume that type-based match-up questions include defensive advantages, why can we assume that it doesn't? Not that it matters since I have evidence that resistances are considered in the PTCs of AG061 (Chinchou is preferred over Illumise against Crawdaunt), AG066, AG082 (Venomoth > Gastly vs. Sunflora), and AG087. --TheVeryBest 07:44, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Abuse log

Force Fire, that edit gives me the bad formatting tag, what I'm going to do? --Cinday123 (Talk) 06:46, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

It's because the template had "align=center" which is outdated. It has to be "margin:auto" (for the template to be centered) and/or "text-align:center" (for the text to be centered).--ForceFire 06:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Opps, I forgot to get the new ones, I have to be careful next time. --Cinday123 (Talk) 07:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)