User talk:FinnishPokéFan92/Archive 2

Archieved talks: User talk:FinnishPokéFan92/Archive 1 (archieved on November 5, 2015)

XY093 errors

Why did you erase the error section of All Eyes on the Future!? You said you disagree with them, but that doesn't make them any less of mistakes. Light Screen was shown protecting the male Meowstic from Talonflame's Flame Charge despite Light Screen only reducing damage from Special Attacks, like Frogadier's Water Pulse, not from Physical Attacks like Talonflame's Flame Charge. Later on in that episode, when Talonflame used Steel Wing on the male Meowstic, Professor Sycamore said that Light Screen doesn't work on Physical Attacks like Steel Wing. Later, Clemont claimed that Prankster was making Helping Hand a priority move when Helping Hand is already one to begin with, for Helping Hand always goes first even if the Pokémon using it didn't have Prankster as their ability. Keen Eye only prevents your Pokémon's accuracy from lowering and ignores an opponent's evasive stats. Professor Sycamore claimed that Psyshock was chasing Frogadier and Talonflame because the female Meostic had Keen Eye, but moments ago, you clearly see the Meowstic using Psychic to make the Psyshock go after Ash's Pokémon. That's why these are mistakes. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 17:11, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Finally some Colo data

I finally got my rear in gear with some of that Colo/XD team data. I've got Colosseum teams now. Here's the file.

There are some comments in the file. The file is huge... I imagine the easiest thing will be to poke around BP's pages and just search for the right Trainers in the file. If you have any questions about anything, feel free to ask. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:32, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a ton! I'll hopefully get on with it later today. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

I figured out a couple things I did wrong for that Colosseum data with the gender. Half is BP's Shadow and non-Shadow templates acting a bit differently when the "gender=" parameter is missing, and half is a separate mistake on my part. I'll fix that up later on and update the link above.

FYI, right now for XD, I've mostly got the story data converted (just testing a few Trainers, and finding things like that gender issue), but XD also has a good amount of data for other modes, which (with the lazy-ish way I'm doing it) will also be a bit of an annoyance to make work (mostly tedious). Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

XD data. I've also fixed up the Colosseum data (replaced above; if you wanna check some of the differences, try searching for Entei.)

Colosseum's gender data is pretty straightforward, so I think it's OK now, but XD's is less so... For now for XD, I've assumed all Shadow Pokemon have a random gender (so far as they can), and everything else's gender works like I *think* it does. If you're ever in doubt, you can always try to check playthrough videos. I've done that a bit already while testing my output, and where I have, my data was right (and not just for gender; though Abilities can be hard to be sure about). Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Hyperspace Hole

Did Hoopa literally used Hyperspace Hole in the movie when it was summoning Pokémon? Because someone told me it did. Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

I doubt it was Hyperspace Hole, since Hoopa Unbound did it too, and it already has four other moves. Remember, the anime has been pretty consistent with the "only four moves at a time" thing over the recent years, so... --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:40, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

That was Hyperspace Fury. It's Unbound Form doesn't use Hyperspace Hole. Only when it is in its Confined Form.Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 06:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

I know. That's what I was saying. The rings are just Hoopa's special power. Confined didn't use them as an attack, so it wasn't Hyperspace Hole. Also, Unbound used its rings the same way too, so it can't be that move. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:56, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Clemont's Inventions

Can you add the information of Clemont's inventions from XY088 and XY089, please? -- Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 22:10, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Old Amber

I don't understand why there's no need for that. In gen. I there weren't key items, and it doesnt say so in the text. ( first time: 8 November 2015 9:33:45 (UTC)) Lokki (talk) 20:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Items!

I just want to go into a bit more detail about why I like the order I wrote on Dewford Town. I can certainly understand reasons for liking other orderings, and it's hard to say what may be "always" best, so I think there's definitely room for discussion. =)

1) I don't think there should be any "separation" of the games (which I'm just guessing is the reason you put the Ribbon last on Dewford). I.e., I really don't like the idea of putting all the items that first appeared in RS first, then all the items that appeared in E (but not RS), then all the items that appeared in ORAS (but not RSE) (or whatever games). That's just confusing as hell in longer lists.

2) I think items should be listed by an order of traversal. Basically, pick something that at least makes some (consistent) sense, and stick to it. Basically, N to S then E to W, or E to W then N to S, or... Anyway, this one I'm kind of taking on a case-by-case, "how do I feel" sort of basis. Currently, I'm not entirely sure if it should very strictly obey the location's natural traversal (like, you first enter from N/S/E/W, so that's where the list should start), or if maybe it should always be "reading" order (left>right (E>W), top>bottom (N>S)), or what.

2b) I'm a little torn on whether accessibility requirements should affect the order things are listed in. I.e., when you first reach some places, you may not have an HM that will let you get some of the items, so any of those that you'd have to return for could be listed after all of the things you can get immediately. ...The thing that kind of tilts my opinion in this case is that, if you don't grab any items at first and only scour the town after you have all necessary HMs (like in the postgame), then a single, coherent listing of all the items is best, otherwise you may be forced to backtrack a bit for an item that needs an HM. And at the same time, with a single, coherent list, people who are only on their first visit can easily just skip those items they can't get.

These things basically seem best and simplest/most consistent all around, to me. (And simple is best. Less room for arguments; or confusion.)

(Hope all that's not too wall-of-texty... =P ) Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:19, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Aero

hey! How are you? :) You must know that your page was chosen to be the official Aero one. I just happen to have worked on it too ( User:MannedTooth/Aero) and wondered if there is anything you would like to add to yours? I'm thinking of the Giovanni part, since Aero technically was owned by him before Red. Anyway, take a look at that :) MannedTooth (Talk) 15:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

XYZ

Can you add the Finnish/Swedish name origins for Squishy and lyrics/translations for Stand Tall to the List of Finnish Pokémon themes and List of Swedish Pokémon themes? Thanks! --Abcboy (talk) 04:02, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

I'd be pleased to do so if I knew where to watch those XYZ episodes. I didn't even know they had Finnish titles until just now to be honest. The previous season ended just last week or so. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:09, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

http://www.pokemon.com/fi/pokemon-jaksot/ and http://www.pokemon.com/se/pokemon-avsnitt/ --Abcboy (talk) 04:18, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll get to work on them tomorrow, I am unable to watch them just now. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:39, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Also, when you get around to adding the lyrics, the titles of the songs need to go on Stand Tall in the "In other languages" section; I forgot to mention that earlier. --Abcboy (talk) 17:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Of course. I'll keep that in mind. Also, I kinda forgot to do that today, so I'll try to remember it tomorrow. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:02, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Lyrics problem

Hello, I don't know how much Swedish you speak but I was wondering if you could take a look at Bli en hjälte and Pokémonsången XY because I can't make out the two dotted lines I left at Bli en hjälte and also the question mark at Pokémonsången XY. I'm afraid that I couldn't find Bli en hjälte on youtube, I listened to that at tv4 play, here is the link to Pokémonsången XY movie version at youtube. Tack på förhand. --Raltseye 19:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Stadium 2 Trainers

First of all, thanks for working on getting the details for the trainers in each cup, I at least really appreciate it. :) Do you have any plans to continue with work on the Gym Leader Castle trainers? Currently all of the more detailed information is scattered over about two dozen pages, and only the Gym Leaders and Rocket Executives have any detailed data. The same thing is the case for Stadium 1's GLC as well. If you weren't planning on doing anything with them, I'd probably get to it eventually, but I thought I'd check in with you first. VioletPumpkin (talk) 02:00, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for the compliment. Second, no I wasn't planning on doing anything with the GLC Trainers. Much like core series Gym Trainers, I don't think they really need any detailed info, at least not on the Gym pages. If there are separate pages for GLC Trainers, I can reconsider. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
PS. The only Cup thing that I haven't been able to completely add was the Jr. female's Squirtle's moveset in Stadium's Petit Cup Round 2. Any source material I could find incorrectly listed its moveset as the same used by the same Trainer's Meowth in Round 1, which is why it was initially missing from the otherwise already completed Trainer list for the Cup. By watching several videos, I was able to figure out three of Squirtle's moves, but the fourth one is still unknown to me. I hate incompleteness, so I'd really appreciate any kind of help. Thank you.

I understand, and agree that putting them onto the general "Pewter Gym" and similar pages might be a bit much. I'll probably try making dedicated GLC trainer pages since it feels at least as significant as the other cups to me, but I'm not sure when I'd get around to it. And thanks for the notice about the Squirtle, I'll take a closer look at it. VioletPumpkin (talk) 15:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Colo/XD script (Miror B)

In response to this lament for Miror B's quotes, you could try checking the text dumps I made for Colo/XD linked on Abcboy's userpage. If you can identify enough of the quote, you can probably get the rest of what came after it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:02, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a ton! I more than appreciate your gesture! :D --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Anime edits

Hi! Playerking95 seems to think that you've been targetting him/his edits. I'd like to ask you to describe your perspective on this situation. (Please understand I make no judgement either way at this point.)

Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

(P.S. I'm asking you do it here rather than respond at Playerking's talk page. It could "explode" either way, but it's a bit less likely if we keep this part here for now. Thanks.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:53, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

New episodes

In the future, please use {{New episode}} when creating pages for new episodes. It's fine to make another edit after substituting the template to change anything the template doesn't fill in. This prevents errors like incorrect preview threads, incorrect ordinal numbers in the intro, allows the interwiki links to be automatically generated, and helps prevent other copy-and-paste errors. Thanks! --Abcboy (talk) 15:36, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I had kinda forgotten that. I'll keep that in mind. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:00, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Swimming to Kalos

How on earth could that be interpreted as not the same person? A person in a game says he will do the exact same action as someone in a different game has completed, within the same generation, when we know ORAS is set before XY and has references which say as much, and it's the same trainer class, but they're different people? I legitimately dont understand how one could come to that conclusion. Smear-Gel (talk) 05:11, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

How about the fact that they don't even have the same name? Word that piece of trivia a bit differently, and the only thing left to fix are possible grammar errors. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Well that's dumb, I didnt even consider they'd do that. Now I wonder why on earth Gamefreak would have put that effort into that easter egg and then make the names different. Not even the Japanese names are the same? Because that seems silly. Either way I guess I need to look into that and reword it before posting again. Smear-Gel (talk) 22:26, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Deoxys

Did Deoxys use Safeguard or Protect in PG09? And did Deoxys use Recover when it regenerated itself? Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 20:08, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

First off: I'm surprised you thought of ME of all people when deciding to ask someone. Second: I think it was Protect, but I don't think it used Recover. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:13, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Edit Summaries (again)

You've been spoken to before about using edit summaries to vent/complain about other users in the past. Edit summaries like these are unnecessary and does nothing to contribute to the overall project of Bulbapedia. Follow the Code of Conduct at all times. Thank you. --Pokemaster97 23:44, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Heatran

What moves did Heatran use in PG12? One of which looked like Protect while the first one looked like either Flamethrower or Eruption. Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Heatran and Mimikyu

What moves did Heatran use in PG12? One of which looked like Protect while the first one looked like either Flamethrower or Eruption. And was Mimikyu using Feint Attack or Wood Hammer in SM003? Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 20:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Trainer classes

It seems to me that if old information on Plasma and Flare is wrong, we should be correcting that rather than citing it as a justification for maintaining false information on Skull, don't you think? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:14, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Are you going to answer me? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 15:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring

I just wanna let you know part of my own personal definition of edit warring. IMO, if you revert (basically) the same edit up to two times, that may or may not be edit warring, depending on the overall situation. But if you do it a third time, that's definitely crossed a line.

That's certainly not to say that toeing that line every time would be advisable or anything. If you can settle a conflict with discussion sooner rather than later, that's definitely preferable. And you've been around long enough. You definitely should know to use talk pages for this sort of thing, rather than trying to do it all right on Gladion. Please take more care in the future. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:27, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Electric Terrain

The dub CCs state explicitly that Tapu Koko used the move Electric Terrain. Unless there's explicit evidence to the contrary (like if a character states that the Electric Terrain in SM002 was a result of its Ability) it should be kept on the page. --Abcboy (talk) 18:17, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Playthroughs in your userspace

Hi!

I really like your playthrough section and would like to use your code to list my playthroughs in my userpage. Is that okay? Arctic (talk) 19:40, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Of course. Go ahead. It's not like I'm the only person who's using it to begin with. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:19, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Anime moves

It looks like you recently added some moves that Playerking removed. I just want to make sure our policy on adding moves from the anime is clear: unless the move is called (or else explicitly identified after being used), don't assume.

The only moves it's tentatively acceptable to identify by animation alone are the ones listed here. Honestly, I don't know the scenes in question, and Hyper Beam is on that list so I don't know what to say about that; but Bite isn't.

Anyway, please keep this in mind when adding moves for the anime in the future. Thanks! Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Please remember the above. If you think Hydro Pump has a unique animation, consider bringing it up on the talk page Force Fire's user page. Please be careful as well about generally engaging in edit wars.

I don't think this guideline is all that hard to grasp. Please remember next time. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

This thing with Thunder Wave seems to be the exact same situation as Hydro Pump just above. It's been a little while since then so I'm going to remind you this once more, but if it happens again, as far as I'm concerned you will be earning a block to help you remember afterwards. If a move is not stated explicitly, do not add it; at most, ask someone. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

(The resposne below is technically copied from here.)

I'm sorry if I seemed arrogant or whatever by adding that Thunder Wave use. However, I would like to assure you that I've learned my lesson: I don't add too ambiguous moves without them being confirmed anymore. However, this case wasn't ambiguous at all in my mind: the animation used for the move was identical to the one used in the XY series, you can check it out yourself if you want. A couple other users have also already left agreeing opinions to T-Wave's talk page. Do you give me the permission to restore my edit? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:30, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Please keep conversations in one place.

In case it wasn't clear after all, this isn't about adding moves that are "too ambiguous". This is about adding moves that are not explicitly stated. If such a move is not on Force Fire's user page, don't add it. Neither Hydro Pump nor Thunder Wave were on that page. You're welcome to ask, but it's not your judgement to make. Ask. Always ask.

Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:48, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

The point my friend is trying to make is that Thunder Wave is a completely unique animation and, without a doubt, SHOULD be added to Force Fire's page. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 09:43, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

For Tiddlywinks: That sounds pretty complicated. I recall that it hasn't always been like that, which is probably why I'm having tough times adapting to this way of doing things. Also, I think that having to wait for an agreement on any unspoken move or Ability's identity sounds really boring, and it feels to me like a legit fact is being withheld from the site for no good reason. But it seems I have no choice but to submit...

For 05308: Yeah, I agree that it should be done ASAP.

PS. Sorry for rambling. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:12, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I understand your point, 05308; it's still your opinion and not your decision to make. I hope you follow the same guidelines: ask. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:34, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Hol on a minute, is a "point" or an "opinion"- the animation for Thunder Wave that has been used throughout the XY series (And now in the Sun and Moon series) IS a unique animation. That is a fact and not an opinion. Even if you want to argue that what Murkrow used was Upproar, and the animation was (for some reason) exactly the same as Thunder Wave's animation in XY. Thunder Wave's animation in XY was factually unique. Force Fire has acknowledged the list is unfinished so Thunder Wave's absence from the list is not invocative of Thunder Wave not having a unique animation. Don't patronize me with nonsense about everything being an opinion. Thunder Wave should be on the list for its XY (and SM) animation- that's not an opinion. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 19:38, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

It's not your judgement to make.

If we just go, sure, we're sure you're right, then we have to allow anyone's opinion about anything. We're not opening that can of worms or we'll just have basically the same as we did before and/or more edit wars.

This isn't hard: just ask. I hope you understand. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:56, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

If I may intrude, 05308, I think Tiddlywinks' point that you aren't understanding is that because it's not on the list yet, we must wait until it has been added to the list before we can add it based on appearance. It's not about whether Thunder Wave might or might not be something else, it's about jumping through the proper hoops even with things you think are "obvious" so that there isn't a precedent for cutting corners in the future when someone decides something else is "obvious" and gets it wrong. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:37, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I absolutely understand the thing about not assuming moves and all that comes with it- I don't always agree but whatever. However, Thunder Wave did have a unique animation in XY- that is a fact and not an opinion. I don't care what you put on any of the pages, but opinions and facts are different. If being an admin means you'll not admit you're wrong even at the expense of showing you can understand very simple concepts- you are not doing a good job.

I apologise that all this has to happen on FinnishPokéfan's page. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 22:03, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Come on... Look. I'm not saying Thunder Wave isn't a unique move—I'm not making any judgement on that score. Okay? I'm saying your judgement doesn't decide whether it can be added as "unique". I hope you understand. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:51, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I understand, I've understood since before I interjected into to conversation, but you keep saying "I hope you understand" and that makes it look like I don't understand. Please stop. By the by, I realise what I said about "simple concepts" would come across quite rude so I apologise for that. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 23:04, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I feel pretty safe in saying that "I hope you understand" doesn't usually mean literally understand the concepts; it usually means more like "I hope you understand where we're coming from (and can accept it)"... I'm not trying to belittle you, I'm trying to be polite. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:24, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Bureaucracy at its finest. Nothing goes anywhere without first being signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters. This is honestly getting kinda ridiculous. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:43, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Image

I removed the image because out of all the Sun&Moon capture episodes, this was the only one to have it. I thought that images were not suppose to go there.-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 18:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Cleanup

Noticed a few episodes I have created synopsis' for have received a cleanup requirement, any advice on how to clean it up, checked the manual but can't quite understand in relation to my synopsis'--BigDocFan (talk) 15:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Code of Conduct

Over the last several years, you've had many talk page message left by various staff members about following the Code of Conduct and remaining respectful in edit summaries. As you demonstrated here this message hasn't reached you. I understand you may disagree or have conflicts with other users, but behavior of this nature creates a very abrasive and non-inviting atmosphere on Bulbapedia. Please take 3 days off and when you return, make it an effort to be more conscious of our policies. --Pokemaster97 21:29, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Conduct

In your recent comment to Playerking, you appear to have tried to avoid directly insulting Playerking, but you quite failed. You did not at all need that line before the "PS". Attempting to disclaim it at the end doesn't make it "OK", it's still an insult. Be careful about how your passions sway you in the future. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:49, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

My apologies. I guess since I was having a sort of bad mood at the moment (walking outside in a rain and so forth) I wanted to vent that bad mood into that insult. But I fully admit, it was inappropriate, and I apologize. I tried to avoid being rude, but it seems I didn't quite make it all the way through. I promise I'll do my best to avoid this in the future. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Edit Warring

Rather than complaining about it in the edit summary, try using the talk pages to sort out issues. They are there for a reason. You've been here long enough to know not to edit war. Regarding the trivia, you're stretching the trivia too far to make it notable.--ForceFire 14:59, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Talk pages

Rather than trying to sort out disagreements using the edit summaries, go to the user's talk page and discuss it there. Going back and forth in the edit summaries is a futile attempt and comes off as edit warring. Thank you.--ForceFire 03:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Direct linking

I'm not gonna try to argue with you because it's clear you won't listen. But I just want to ask you this: what is the point of the staff ruling on something if you're just going to ignore the ruling and say you "don't care" about it? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:29, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, that's just how I can be when I'm in a grumpy. I know it doesn't justify anything, and I apologize. I just get irritated when I see redirect links being added on purpose. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:34, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

DJ Leo

Were the Dugtrio's names the same in the Finnish dub as in the English? --Raltseye prata med mej 15:30, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Nope. They're the same as the Swedish ones. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:56, 28 October 2017 (UTC)