User talk:Boblers

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Shuffle Update

Major update just arrived on the eShop for Shuffle. Heard that it's adding the ability to save teams among other things. I'm looking up the information on this myself, but wanted to point it out in case you weren't yet aware. CycloneGU (talk) 01:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up! I've gone ahead and added all the info I could find. However, due to Miiverse's closure I can't get a screenshot of the new title screen. Do you know anyone who could add that to the page?

Additionally, it seems like some skill descriptions were changed and new skills were added, but I'm waiting on more info about that. Boblers (talk) 09:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

It looks like that was pulled overnight. I usually hang around in a Discord server where I get information, and usually ut's that same information that gets onto Reddit at some point, so I use it as a means to check anything before putting it here if I don't get it myself directly. What interests me is this new ranking system; they waited until all but 7 Pokémon were out to do this? LOL The knowledge that the other Celebration Pikachu will be in line with the already-released ones is cool as well, as now everyone gets one chance each year to get every single one; I'm not sure if we should put them all on the list yet (I've placed the Lion Dancer because the image is in the game now), but at least we know when the others will be coming and can update accordingly. I'll edit them in hidden later. CycloneGU (talk) 16:51, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Just to clarify on my note on the "erroneous" count in 1.5.0, I meant to say that the count changes to its proper value when you update to 1.5.1. In my case, it said my count was 758 in 1.5.0, but once I updated to 1.5.1 it said my count was 769. I definitely didn't catch 11 Pokémon with new list numbers in that time, so it was most likely an error with the count. A notice that pops up when up when on 1.5.0 also says that some data won't display correctly unless the game is updated to 1.5.1, so I assume it was referring to this. Boblers (talk) 19:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Just tossing it out there, this Reddit thread appears to corroborate Boblers' interpretation, and this comment seems to give an explanation for why it happens (although I'm not sure whether that user is just speculating or knows for sure). Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I got the 1.5.1 after finishing the update myself (I'm trying to remember the timing, I think I made that edit before doing my own update) and found that my 585 count (I took my time on the mains and have a lot to do there, don't jodge LOL) moved up to 600 with the later patch. I was bemused by this myself and am curious, since the rank system only counts unique species, which 15 were not counted before. I might have to curiously scan through my entire list to see what's going on there myself. CycloneGU (talk) 23:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm also behind in main stages. The furthest one I've unlocked is 607, so the 11 extra count that I got from 1.5.1 must all be from events. I've been curious as well about this "update gap", and by my logic I think we can place the "rollback point" at 1.4.27 or 1.4.28.

Since stages 621-640 were added in 1.4.26, the update that we "rolled back" to must've been between 1.4.26 and now. From that version to today, the newly-released Pokémon from events were:

• (1.4.27) Dhelmise, Gengar (Shiny), Palossand, Xurkitree, Pikachu (Celebration: Artist),
• (1.4.29) Necrozma,
• (1.4.31) Froakie (Winking), Ribombee, Celesteela, Gardevoir (Shiny), Fennekin (Winking), Toxapex, Flabebe (Winking), Floette (Winking), Snubbull (Winking), Cutiefly, Morelull, Shiinotic,
• (1.4.33) Pikachu (Celebration: Mushroom Harvest),
• (1.4.34) Chespin (Winking), Bewear, Charizard (Shiny),
• (1.4.35) Granbull (Winking), Pikachu (Celebration: Year's End), Kommo-o, Guzzlord, Cherubi (Winking), Cherrim (Winking), Hoppip (Winking), Skiploom (Winking), Jumpluff (Winking), Sandygast, Jangmo-o, Hakamo-o, and Minior.

If we ignore variants (note: I already have the normal forms of all these variant pokemon already), the total count of new species is 17: Dhelmise, Palossand, Xurkitree, Necrozma, Ribombee, Celesteela, Toxapex, Cutiefly, Morelull, Shiinotic, Bewear, Kommo-o, Guzzlord, Sandygast, Jangmo-o, Hakamo-o, and Minior. That's a little too many compared to my 11. Something to note is that all ultra beasts have been assigned list numbers and appeared as silhouettes in the Pokémon list ever since Nihilego released, so I don't see why the game would have trouble counting them should you obtain them. I have a hunch that a lack of an assigned list number may be the main factor as to whether a Pokémon can be counted, since technically all Pokémon (disregarding USUM and some forms) already exist deep in the game's data, just not all have been added to the visible Pokémon list.

So, if we ignore the ultra beasts then our count is now 14. Note that Sandygast and Palossand had been assigned list numbers by 1.4.26, so we can ignore those to get down to 12. We just need to drop one more, and since Dhelmise is the only one left in 1.4.27 that we haven't eliminated, we can take him out to get 11. This places the rollback point either on 1.4.27 or on 1.4.28, since the next new species was added in 1.4.29.

As for the 4-Pokémon discrepancy between my count and yours, it's likely because normal Hoppip and Skiploom are only in main stages 530+, which you say you haven't unlocked, and Jumpluff is an EX stage that requires 530 S-ranks. I'm unsure about the last one of the four, but perhaps there's another Pokémon that you don't have the normal form of, but that you got the winking form of recently? Boblers (talk) 20:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

I thought Winking Granbull and Winking Snubbull might be related, too, but noticed upon review that they're way back in Pedra Valley (Granbull is 184), and I know I have that area 100% save maybe the odd S rank. So that's not it.

I'll give a review of all of the new data added. I'm curious how I got to 15 missing. I know Minior, Kommo-o, Hakamo-o, Jangmo-o, Bewear (not Stufful yet), Toxapex (not Mareanie, out next week), Shiinotic (Safari), Morelull (Safari), Ribombee, Cutiefly (another Safari), Necrozma (hated this stage), Palossand, and Sandygast (Safari again!) add up to 13. I agree that Hoppip and Skiploom, as winkers, would make 15 for me, but Jumpluff makes it 16. I do recall data being added leaving numbers skipped at points, so the question is where this rollback went to. I didn't think of checking my Dex before checking in to 1.5.1 myself, so I can only make an educated guess myself. Based on my count, however, it's possible Dhelmise was there already (October 24) and Palossand, being the oldest on my list of 16 (October 31) was also there, bringing us to October 31 version being where 1.5.0 rolled back to. November 7 at Reddit lists no Dex new content added to the game, meaning that was still based on the October 31 version. November 14 put in Necrozma. I would suggest that's our backup point.that's our backup point from which 1.5.1 resumed to get the 12 newly added species, and you can go through November 28 to confirm a beefy addition including 5 winkers, Shiny Gardevoir, and a number of new species in my list of 15.

Let's complicate things now.

• Empoleon was finally actually released see here on December 12. It doesn't affect me, since I'm not at the point where I can catch it yet (stage 660); however, it might factor into your count if you're there unless the Pokémon itself was in the gae before with placeholder data (in which case the catch might have still registered as placeholder data for those with it). Did you also include Wooper and Quagsire? They were brand new in that update, not even in the data; if you had them caught, they would have been gone in 1.5.0 possibly.
• December 26 was another beefy addition, and this is where winking versions of Cherrim and Cherubi first came along. Being in the 500s, I didn't catch these before, but I've caught the new ones.

If you've been adding these complications, you'll note the December update gave me nothing different, but the January update adds 2 winkers that might not have been in the 1.5.0 data. Joy! This means I have to assume Necrozma, the oldest of those found in my list, WAS IN THE GAME and counted by 1.5.0, leaving me 16 new species to count instead of 15. Cutiefly, next in the Dex, was in a December 5 Safari, so we have to find something in the list in November, preferably before the 28th. I could harbour a guess that Ribombee on November 28 is that last one to assume already caught. However, Celesteela was in the same update, and had a silhouette before. I'm could assume November 28 did not count. Celesteela was, however, "added" to the game on November 28th. Does game data exist before then? The threads are not clear, and GS has held numbers for Pokémon before (look at the Sinnoh and Unova starters). If Guzzlord and Celesteela both had silhouettes, and thus RESERVED DATA, before November 28, then that removes 2 from the 16 and forces Necrozma back in. Therefore, I think the answer is that the rollback went to 1.4.30, from November 21. There's one problem. There were no new 'Mons on the 21st to test with. So it might have been 1.4.29 instead, and we'll never know, nor is there any way to figure it out. Therefore, we can say that 1.5.0 didn't count any new species added since 1.4.29 on November 14, and that 1.5.1 readded all affected catch data. CycloneGU (talk) 21:59, 11 January 2018 (UTC)