Talk:Umbreon (Pokémon)

Evolve Eevee?

The article writes that you can get an Umbreon in FR/LG by evolving an Eevee. Where does one get the moon shard? How can one evolve an Eevee in FR/LG without it because I'm not sure there is one in the game. Harvestdancer 21:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Moon Shard? Only in XD: Gale of Darkness, I'm afraid.

I'm afraid you can't get an Umbreon in FireRed/LeafGreen without trading it over to Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald and evolving it there.

Espeon works pretty much the same way, only involving the opposite timeframes and the Sun Shard instead of the Moon Shard. --Shiningpikablu252 21:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

What would happen if you chose the Moon Shard, then waited until you could trade, had a Pokémon hold the Moon Shard, and traded it to FRLGE? --Shiny Noctowl 21:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The Moon Shard is a key item. It can't be held. --Shiningpikablu252 00:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't the page say "trade" instead of "evolve" then for FR/LG? Harvestdancer 17:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Not really. You can get Eevee, even if you can't evolve it within FRLG. TTEchidna 02:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I meant for Umbreon (and Espeon) shouldn't FR/LG say "trade"? Harvestdancer 03:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, you can get the Eevee just fine... You may have to trade to evolve it, but does it say that for a Pokémon like Rhyhorn or Graveler? TTEchidna 03:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Argh no! Graveler, for example, it says can be acquired by evolving a geodude or catching a graveler, but Golem can only be acquired through trade. It says so in the Golem article.

According to the above discusison, the only way to get an Umbreon is through trade. You can't evolve it. You need to evolve it at night, which doesn't happen in FR/LG, or with a moon shard, which you can't get at all in FR/LG and can't trade over as a held item because it's a key item. Therefore you cannot, when playing FR/LG, evolve an Eevee into an Umbreon.

Since you can't evolve an Eevee into an Umbreon in FR/LG, but can get an Umbreon through trade, shouldn't the article say you can get it through trade instead of evolution? Harvestdancer 15:17, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

All of the trade-evo ones I checked say "evolve (prevo)". The method, of course, is stated in the evo box. The point is that you can get Espeon/Umbreon by evolving the Eevee you get in FRLG, no matter that you have to trade it to another game to get the job done. It's like Machamp or Scizor. You can get the Machoke and Scyther in FRLG, but they don't evolve unless they get traded to another game, then traded back. Sure, it's a tiny bit more complicated with Eevee, but it's still the same concept. The trivia section, of course, should have that you can't evolve it because of no day/night function in FRLG, but that's one of the games you can actually get an Eevee in. TTEchidna 11:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

So do you just level up eevees with max happiness during the tides on emerald? If so, which would eveolve on high tide?--Ace 17:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Psychic mention?

Is it worth mentioning specifically how it can learn psychic in the trivia section? A pure dark pokemon being able to learn psychic would seem fairly note-worthy. Prophaniti 15:38, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Honchkrow Is also a Dark type that can learn Psychic. To be honest, I don't really think it belongs in the Article. Dean

Sounds notable enough for me.Honchrow is not pure DarkGood Day;DCM

...I didn't know being a flying time allows Honchkrow to learn Psychic attacks...PDL 14:43, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't see any notability in it. The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 14:45, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Darkrai, Sableye and it's rip-off Spiritomb, Honchkrow are the other dark types capable of learning Psychic. 5/23 dark types is a fair few. I'd not call it notable enough. Gywall^(Talk) 14:47, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Added note: Damn you fiddler, I had to find this again! Gywall^(Talk) 14:47, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Sun/Moon Shard

I just changed the Moon/Sun Shard links in the Espeon, Umbreon and List of Pokémon with branched evolutions pages so that they link to the appropriate sections of the List of key items in Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness page, rather than the Evolutionary stone page that doesn't mention them at all. Is there a way to make a search for Moon Shard/Sun Shard redirect to said page? It's rather useless having it redirect to the stone page (as it does now) when the page doesn't even say anything about them. It took me forever to find ANY mention of these shards in the wiki because of this. I was starting to think they were typos. --MASLEGOMAN 20:14, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I've changed them. In future please add comments to the bottom of a page, rather than into the middle of a three year old conversation. Werdnae (talk) 21:04, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

wrong wikipedia entry

On the origin section, the wikipedia enty for moon rabbit led to Moon Rabbit, not Moon rabbit like its supposed to. i just fixed it. can someone tell me if i was supposed to fix it? Jaller95 16:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

If it didn't link to the proper Wikipedia article, then yes, you were supposed to change it :) --PhantomJunkie 16:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Note Worthy?

Is it worth mentioning that Umbreon and Espeon are the only eeveelutions that share an ability?----XD00153 (tAlk) 00:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

dude..fix your sig..please.... and maybe Ataro 00:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. I'm not that great at sigs.----XD00153 (tAlk) 00:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Another question on noteworthiness, is it worth mentioning that the minimum level for Umbreon is 2, and that the best way to get a lvl 2 umbreon is to hatch an eevee egg, then work it's happiness over a few days by massages, haircuts, and long bicycle walks while watching tv? Also, if it is, you should mention that you should save progress before any attempt to evolve a lvl 2 umbreon to be sure the happiness level is high enough. (Crystufer I don't know bbcode. Sorry.) - unsigned comment from Crystufer (talk • contribs)

First of all, signing your posts is done by typing four tildes (~). It's that easy, and there's even a shortcut for it on the toolbar above the edit box, and on the character palette below it.

Secondly, the minimum level trivia you suggested is NOT noteworthy. The same could be said for Espeon, Leafeon, Glaceon, and any other Pokémon which needs to level up to evolve. As for your info on how to evolve it at level 2, we aren't a strategy guide. Anyone who wants to know methods for increasing happiness can check the Happiness page, which is handily linked to from the evolution box. --Andy^P_K^M_N 18:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Shiny Umbreon Sprite

I've got a Shiny Umbreon in HeartGold and want to put the shiny version in the template, but how to do so? YoshisWorld 22:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)YoshisWorld

Umber

It states in the name origin section that it could come from umber, but i studied Umbreon's pictures, and it seemed closer to a very dark blue than a very dark brown. I'm removing this, because as likely as it seems, it's not really true. EvilKirikizan speaking! 02:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

The umber thing came back. I have already removed it for the same reason you did. Harrylane4 03:12, 25 November 2011 (UTC)Harrylane4

A ten second analysis by one user isn't enough to throw away the most likely reason. Even if it looks slightly bluer, Umber is the most likely source of the name. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 22:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Anime

Is it worth mentioning that despite Umbreon being the first Dark-type Pokémon in National Dex order, in the anime, no Umbreon is ever seen using a Dark-type move? Iml908 (talk) 19:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't see what it being the first one has anything to do with it, but I guess the second part is worth mentioning. --Pokemaster97 19:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect statement in Special Abilities.

"Umbreon can spray a poisonous sweat whenever it gets agitated. Its golden bands glow, allowing it to use moves such as Flash. As a Dark-type Pokémon, Umbreon can learn several moves with various disruptive effects, such as Taunt, Snatch or Thief."

Umbreon can not learn Thief in any generation. Vinven (talk) 06:43, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome to make the edit yourself. Be bold! MF231 00:34, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Trivia on Synchronize

Is Umbreon the only Pokémon with the Ability of Synchronize that is not Psychic type (its type is Dark)? Is it notable or too small of a group to note/unnotable? --Cinday123 (Talk) 04:48, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

It's easily visible on the page for Synchronize, so it's not notable. Crystal Talian 04:53, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Crystal, I'll be careful when I'm adding trivia that would be otherwise not notable. --Cinday123 (Talk) 05:01, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Inconclusive

About the Anime's lack of Umbreon using Dark Type Moves, Gary's Umbreon used Hidden Power, meaning that information can't be confirmed.--Benayla (talk) 08:59, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Hidden Power inflicts damage using a type and power determined by the user's IVs. The power varies between 31 and 70 in Generation II, and varies between 30 and 70 in Generations III to V.

As far as anime goes, anime does not necessarily equal game in terms of how things are applied. Therefore, we don't see it as anything beyond a Normal-type move. As such, the statement of not using Dark-type moves applies. CycloneGU (talk) 14:11, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

PokèPark 2

Should the side-game locations box include the location in PokèPark 2? It has the PokèPark 1 location but not the second game. And in the side-game data section it shows both PokèPark game entries. - unsigned comment from AngelicEspeon (talk • contribs)

Umbreon's Rings

Would it be notable, given the pokedex references to Umbreon being poisonous, that Umbreon's rings may be based on a blue-ringed octopus? This could also relate to the color choice for its shiny form. Yoriven (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Sounds kinda like a strech imo.

Comparing a mammal to a mollusk just because of some ring-like patterns and an obscure dex entry, ya know? It ain't even poison-type in the end.

And if it was their inspiration for some reason, why not reference it in the main design instead of the shiny one?

ExLight (talk) 01:46, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Well... was going to avoid mentioning the demo leak, but it is Poison-type in the demo. Provided that that's real (and there's a lot of evidence in its favor) then that would lend credence to Umbreon's design originally drawing inspiration from a notoriously venomous animal. As for why it would reference it in the shiny form instead of the main one- you could ask Wooper the same question. Yoriven (talk) 02:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

It's not an octopus. Just having blue rings is such a weak connection. Shiny colorations don't get their origins explained, unless it's very clearly obvious (this isn't, since it's just blue rings), since the colors may be random.--ForceFire 04:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I just figured, that it might connect to the shiny, but the point was more venomous creature with glowing rings = possible connection to poisonous eeveelution with glowing rings. But if you feel strongly against it, I will concede and hold my opinion. Yoriven (talk) 06:21, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Umbreon's Origin

Well, someone removed it without explaining why, so to avoid edit wars I guess I'm gonna make a topic about it first. Umbreon's origin has always been a mystery. I personally think Umbreon may have influences from the Set animal. This is a totemic animal used to represent the god Set in Egypt, usually as a black and slender canid.

My argument to such is that it could've drawn inspiration from such since it matches the supposed Egyptian thematic in its design (the golden rings), it is an unknown creature that partially fits the description, also explains the Dark type (Evil type in Japan) since it is associated with chaotic and negative elements.

While it does not match perfectly a few aspects such as the slight curved snout, I believe this could be a valid origin to it since the moon rabbit origin doesn't fill many aspects of it other than the large ears and the moon theme. But since they're don't exclude each other I see no reason to rule this out.

Any thoughts on this? ExLight (talk) 02:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Since nobody discussed nor counterargumented it I re-added it to the origins. Also, removed some absurd things in it:

Umbreon as a "melanistic serval". Unlike mythological creatures who open space for imagination, comparing it to a real animal must be more precise. Servals are slim and have are quite long (length wise), have short ears and a cat-like tail. But then, Umbreon has a Hare-like ears and a fox-like tail and really short. The patterns are nothing similar as well.

"Moon Rabbit depicted to be white". Yes, but it is also commonly depicted as a black silhouette on the moon (which fits Umbreons design). It is also called "Jade Rabbit" and "Gold Rabbit" by poets. So it could basically have multiple different interpretations. This statement is pointless.

Bastet trivia was not relevant.

ExLight (talk) 03:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

No response does not mean you can just add it back, have patience. The set animal is too vague of a creature to make a connection, "black and canid" can describe any other canid Pokémon.--ForceFire 03:54, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Yea, but my point is that it's a "black and canid with correlation to the plausible Egyptian thematic and 'Evil'", which fits multiple aspects of it.

It was accepted for quite a few days until it was edited, c'mon.

ExLight (talk) 04:04, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Its behavior isn't chaotic or evil, judging by its Pokedex entries. To have an Egyptian motif is one thing, but the creature you are comparing it to is way too vague. All that is known about it that it is canine-like, which is way too little to try and say Umbreon is based off it.--ForceFire 04:22, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

The japanese, the original, name for the 'Dark type' is 'Evil type'. It doesn't need to be on the entries, it's right on its typing.

Although vague, the Set Animal also shares some really unusual details to Umbreon such as the always erected ears and tail. And the design differences could all be taken from the hare and fox previously on the origin. I know it may not be much, but Umbreon has always been an enigmatic creature and this somewhat can fill a few holes in its possible origin. All we had so far was the generic black cat and the moon rabbit (which doesn't explain the typing and most of its design), so, can't we just consider this as a possible one?

ExLight (talk) 04:38, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

EDIT: I guess that's a no. rip - unsigned comment from EXLight (talk • contribs)

Just because it's called "evil" type in Japan, doesn't mean it has to literally be evil. Umbreon's ears and tails aren't always erect, and saying the set animal always has erect ears and tail is speculation. It's always depicted as having erect ears and tail, you can't say that it definitely has an erect tail and ears (if it were real). The moon rabbit explains the moon aspect of Umbreon, it's not commenting about its design.--ForceFire 06:09, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, but saying that an dark-type pokémon isn't necessarily based on something evil makes as much sense as saying that water-types aren't based on aquatic creatures. Are there exceptions? Yes, there are, but these are pretty rare cases that should be considered exceptions as a last resort. Dark-types are often overlooked due to this poor localization and feels really unfair to dismiss it like that.

Umbreon is represented as having straight ears and tail in pretty much every official media I could find. Could you point out a few examples where they're notably curved?

I know the moon rabbit isn't commenting about its design, what I'm saying is: the Set animal, despite not being perfect, is the best fit for it so far. I never denied that it has influences from the Moon Rabbit.

My point here isn't Umbreon being based out of a biologically existent-or-not being used to represent the Set animal, what I'm saying is that its designer could've taken some from the characteristics of the Set animal's representation/symbolism itself and incorporated it to Umbreon's concept (Egyptian aesthetic, black slender canid, 'evil'-type, straight tail and ears, doesn't fit any known creature), that being the case it should be treated as a possible mythical origin, not a biological one. This kind of origin opens a large variety of interpretations by their creators (e.g. Dunsparce as a Tsuchinoko, Slowbro as the Sazae-oni, or Drampa as a Zhulong), so it's understandable it may not be perfectly accurate. ExLight (talk) 14:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I said you're taking the name of the type too literally. Just because it's called Evil type, doesn't mean all Pokémon of that type are going to be evil (Umbreon isn't evil by behavior or causes chaos). Just because it's called Water type, doesn't mean all Pokémon of that type are going to be sentient water. That's what I meant by taking the name too literally.

You're making a biological comparison by saying that the "slender, black body" and "erect ear and tails" of Umbreon may be inspired from the set animal. Is the set animal actually black or usually depicted as black? All ancient drawings/paintings I've googled have it not colored, with colored ones I found usually being fan-art. As for having mythical origins, it's fine to say that it may have an Egyptian motif, which is already mentioned in the origin section.--ForceFire 05:10, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, yes, I see, so that's the matter. You're right, it is not enough to prove a link between both, sorry about the fuss. Since the wiki accompanied strong references after the paragraph stating it was represented as black I kinda trusted it blindly, I should've searched more into it before considering it. Thanks for your time and patience. ExLight (talk) 20:58, 20 June 2018 (UTC)