Talk:Surf (move)

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Add something to Trivia?

I think we should add that this move can be learned by most of the pokemon (123 in Generation IV). Or that this is the most learned Water type in this game so far.

no, because moves like Hidden Power and Toxic can be learned by ANYONE. itd be like saying Fly can be learned by almost any Flying type. its self explanitory. Surf = water type. therefor, almost all the water types can learn it, along with the odd one here and there. MAGNEDETHTALK 04:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Ditto, Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna, Wurmple, Silcoon and Cascoon can't learn hidden power or toxic (Unown can't learn Toxic either), i believe. Chuck67322 05:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

He means All pokemon that can learn TM's and HM's can learn those moves SpecialK 15:52, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Hidden beta item

I think we should add this little trivia fact (I have done this, and it works!): There's a hidden key item in the Generation 1 games called ????? that allows you to Surf outside of battle without the need for HM03. It can be obtained with the Gameshark code for item modifying, with the hex variable set to 07. If the game is saved while the code is active, the item stays in the pouch like any other key item, even after the GameShark is removed. To use, just go up to water, and select it from the item pouch. The item was created in the beta versions, and later made unavailable, but not removed entirely. --250隼也 249じゅんや 17:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

It sounds like it could just be a simple glitch rather than a beta item. --FabuVinny T-C-S 19:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't know, but either way, it's there, and I just think people should know about it. --250隼也 249じゅんや 21:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Not to butt in on an old conversation, but the item was a beta for game testers to progress easier. It's like, a surfboard item or something. CherryParanoia 18:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Anime Surf

Unless the trainer specifically says's "Use Surf", then the occurrence should not be listed under the 'In the anime' section. --Theryguy512 22:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Pics in the article

Why does the picture in this article show Pikachu use Surf? I think it's better to use a picture of a Pokémon who can normally learn the move and not Pikachu that learn it only by event. ---Samu- 17:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoever put it there...probably put it up for bragging rights. I think what's important is that a pic of a Pokémon using the move is there. |>H1|2357R1K3 19:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah the new trivia...

You know, it'd be better if we had a list of these moves, or a category... or something. TTEchidna 18:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't that just be a matter of going through the TM, HM and move tutor moves? I'm fairly sure, but could be mistaken, that all TMs and MTs are learned via level up for one Pokémon, so that just leaves the HMs. Cut, Strength, Rock Smash, Dive, Rock Climb and Surf...? — THE TROM — 21:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Not Dive. Nine Pokémon learn it via leveling up in Gen. IV. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, when I added that earlier today, I actually didn't pay any attention to the move I was looking at. Realizing that it's an HM makes much sense. Kevin Y (talk) 22:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


I know Squirtle has never outright used the move surf but the move page indicates that it has. As I realize that Ash has used him for water transportation multiple times I can understand why someone might put that BUT this is still an inconsistancy between pages and I'm not sure which one should be changed...same goes for Misty's Starmie -- D558 01:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Seriously? That was taken out a while ago and somebody added it back.... R.A. Hunter Blade 16:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I added it. On the Pokemon race thing, Misty surfs on Starmie, and Pikachu surfs on squirtle. They were surfing, so i just added it. User:Littlmiget123
That's just swimming quickly though. Otherwise EVERY Water Pokémon would know Surf. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:But Misty and Pikachu was riding on their backs? User: Littlmiget123
Swimming, while ferrying passengers. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 18:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
It's like in Mewtwo Strikes Back, when everyone rode on a Water Pokémon to get to the island. It's just swimming. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

In SuperSmashBros.Brawl he can use it if that helps... SpecialK 15:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


Mewtwo is listed as being capable of using Surf in every generation on this page, but on Mewtwo's page it is not listed on his moveset, nor can I find any evidence that Mewtwo can learn Surf anywhere else.--JacobCrystal 20:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe that's called a fail. —darklordtrom 20:40, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Double Battles - Base Power

Shouldn't it be pointed out that Surf's Base Power drops if facing two opponents in a Double Battle? And that the Base Power is restored if there's only 1 opponent left in the Double Battle. Well, it is in Gen III anyway. I don't know if the partner-hitting properties of Surf added in Gen IV changes that last fact. --Raylax 23:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

surfing sprite

i really dont believe the surfing sprite for gen. 4 is a wailmer... just llok at it closely, its body is longer than wailmer. - unsigned comment from Wisp82 (talkcontribs)

Move image replacement

How about this? Got the transparencies fixed.

--Turtwig Lover 10:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


Is there any reason why there are 2 lists for generation 4? I'd do something about it, but I want to ask first.Pokemon champ 21:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I accidentally typed Generation IV instead of Generation V in the heading for the new section and another user must have mistaken that as Generation IV being missing and added it entirely. I fixed it. Jaroda 21:29, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

PIka Surf

Red's Pika in the adventures know surf. Pikachu can learn normaly not surf. Onlly from a event. So why we do not use a picture of Pika that surf uses.--Nazirbashir 14:47, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

--Nazirbashir 14:47, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
In a nutshell, Red's Pika uses Surf by forming its Subsitute to look like a surfboard. The description for the move entries is to describe how the Pokemon in question use the attack. Not all Pikachu are going to know Substitute and Surf at the same time. It's sort of the same deal with ChuChu's Fly: we can't list it because it ties balloons to itself. Littlmiget123 15:44, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


Shouldn't we have images of the non-Pikachu surf in PBR and the non-Pikachu outside of battle images for Gen I and Gen II? These are unique cases after all. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 22:49, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

In-battle, there really isn't any difference in the move's execution. Out-of-battle however, I think there should be separate images. --SnorlaxMonster 10:56, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


Tauros temporarily lost ability to learn Surf in Generation III (according to article), despite being able to learn it in Generation II, IV and V. This is the first time I saw such oddity in learnset of HM (discounting the moves that lost their HM status). Is it worth noting? Marked +-+-+ 17:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Tauros can learn Surf in Generation III. It must have not been added or something. Littlmiget123 17:26, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Surfing sprite

" In Generation I, a Dewgong is shown (although this was just the Water-type sprite; unless Pikachu is surfing, where a surfing Pikachu sprite is shown instead)." There is no way that anyone knows that that's a Dewgong. The only resemblance between it and a Dewgong is that they are both white and have flippers and a tail. Who's to say it's not a Seel? It doesn't really look like either of the two if you ask me. Dannyjenn 16:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)