Talk:Substitute (move)

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should we get sprites for the decoy pokemon? Lord of Origami 11:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I say so. Definitely--KukiTalk 11:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah! We need sprites of Substitute from all Generations from back and front. Is it possible? --Maxim 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

It is possible for that to be possible!--KukiTalk 12:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Is it? I can't even find sprites of the Substitute from Diamond/Pearl... It'd be cool if you could do it up with the template for the Pokémon Sprites. --Phred 06:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

It should be in the games' data... the question is... hrm. TTEchidna 04:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
You mean this?
Generation I and II:
Generation III:
Generation IV:
SubstituteG4f.pngSubstituteG4b.png hfc2X 21:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Holy shit, that's it in Gen I? In battle!? WHAT. TTEchidna 06:15, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

With Kecleon

Well, since it has Color Change... when something hits it, does it change its type? I'd assume not... but... TTEchidna 05:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Outdated information

The information in this article is either wrong or from the first generation of Pokémon. Substitute, for instance, WILL protect against sleep moves such as Hypnosis, and a Pokémon using Explosion against a substitute WILL faint. This article needs a full revamp. --Kefkafreak 22:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

By breeding

This doesn't apply to the Substitute page itself, but to quite a number of Pokémon pages that list Substitute as an egg move. For example, see Furret (Pokémon)#By breeding. While Substitute can be bred, in Generation IV, this is simply because it is a TM. In Generation III, it was an egg move, and I suspect it has been carried over in many of the breeding move lists for Pokémon. I don't think it belongs in the primary 'by breeding' for Pokémon, though. In the Generation III breeding moves for sure, but not the Generation IV ones. Are there any reasons to keep Substitute in the breeding move lists on main Pokémon pages? — Laoris (Blah) 16:45, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Because it's programmed that way into the game coding. Just because a move can be taught through a TM doesn't mean it can't be programmed into a breeding list. Another example is Remoraid and Thunder Wave, where Thunder Wave is still on Remoraid's breeding list despite Thunder Wave becoming TM73 in Generation IV and Remoraid being compatible with said TM. If the game code says it, we list it. --Shiningpikablu252 19:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Two moves named 'Substitute' in Japanese???

Wha--??? Both Substitute and Switcheroo are called 'Substitute' in Japanese??? --Theryguy512 22:07, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

If you'll notice the kanji, they're spelled different. It just translates the same. TTEchidna 00:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead and changed both translations, to avoid confusion.—Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 06:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! --Theryguy512 11:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


Al that know TMs can learn it, right? Or are there specifics that also can't? ht14 03:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Beldum can't. That's all I noticed.