Talk:Soaring in the sky

Mirage spots

I think we need to address the issue of multiple Mirage Caves, Islands and Forest from previous gens, games and the TCG.

So to try and minimize confusion between the old Mirage Cave, Mirage Island and Mirage Forest and Gen VI Mirage Cave, Island, and Forest, we should change the Mirage Cave article to Mirage Cave Article to Mirage Cave (Mystery Dungeon) and turn the Mirage Cave Article into a directory article like the Unknown Dungeon article http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Unknown_Dungeon which would direct people to either the Mystery Dungeon version or the ORAS version Mirage Cave (Hoenn)

Next, the Mirage Island article (which is the real [censored] of this all) should also be turned into a Directory article. It should direct people to Mirage Island (RSE) for the Gen III version, and Mirage Island (ORAS) for the Gen VI version. Or we could also carefully retrofit it to cover both the RSE version and the ORAS version. I'm not opposed to either option.

Finally there should be a Mirage Forest Directory article that article directs people to Mirage Forest (Holon) (which would more or less just go to the same article that Mirage Forest currently redirects to) and Mirage Forest (Hoenn)

Since Mirage Mountain hasn't been used (to my knowledge) before, it simply should get a article titled Mirage Mountain (Hoenn). Yamitora1 (talk) 00:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Or we could just make them Mirage Forests, Mirage Caves, Mirage Islands and Mirage Mountains and throw a Template:Samename at the top. Or split them apart into 32 tiny, separate articles using the numbering system from the guide. glik^glak 01:31, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

For now, it's best to just create four pages with the plural titles glik mentions. No direct conflicts, just add a little directory template on confusing pages like Mirage Island.

In the meantime, we can continue debating page names or merges or splits or whatever; but at least the information won't wait on those decisions. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I have created a preliminary page here. If the design is liked, it can become the template to make the other three. Adamws (talk) 17:34, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

That is a good start, but when you're in a mirage spot it will say Unknown Area and you can't tell where you are so the maps are not needed.Yamitora1 (talk) 05:34, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

FWIW, I think maybe it would be nice if the locations were listed in numerical order of the route they're near (if it's near a city instead, then I suppose it'd depend on the earliest route connected to that city). Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:46, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

The maps are just place holders. They will be layout images in the final version. I do agree with you on the numerical order, Tiddlywinks, we just need the other locations before the order can be finalized. Adamws (talk) 06:47, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I did some searching around the web to see what others had to say about Mirage Islands. Its mostly a abyss of FAQ type stuff but I did learn that Serebii is counting Mirage Caves, Forests and Mountains as variations of the Mirage Islands, and not entirely separate Mirage Spots.

But we can't go by them lol. Anyways, does anyone have the Official Guide? How does it explain Mirage spots and Mirage Islands? Yamitora1 (talk) 21:07, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Move

Soaring would be a more suitable name for this article, imo. But if someone has a better title, feel free to suggest it.--ForceFire 04:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

While Soaring would be a better name, the in-game location for the Pokémon obtained via soaring is "Soaring in the sky". Adamws (talk) 05:20, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

The purpose of this page was to be the location "Soaring in the sky". Adding the mechanics of soaring was my orignal idea because the mechanics page for soaring would be extremely short. Adamws (talk) 17:34, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Here is evidence that this is a location: ORAS Dialga. I don't have a capture card so I used my camera. Adamws (talk) 17:55, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Sea Mauville

Should we list Sea Mauville? its a odd ball among the other Mirage spots. You can reach it without soaring, but it still has the mysterious floating rings. Or perhaps we should make a separate Mirage spot article? Yamitora1 (talk) 18:23, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't think so. It does have the mysterious rings but unlike the other Mirage Spots, it is always there and doesn't require a certain Pokémon in your party to appear, or appear and disappear daily. Adamws (talk) 18:29, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

But it does require a special item, and only the Mirage cave, forest, island, crescent isle and mountains temporarily disappear, and the Storm Clouds and rifts in the Space-Time Continuum vanish permanently. All the other places remain open, they just lose the red shimmer effect but they can still be traveled to.

I believe it deserves some mention.Yamitora1 (talk) 18:54, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I disagree with putting it on. This page is for the locations that are accessible only through soaring. But let's wait for another opinion before adding it on the page. Adamws (talk) 19:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Aren't the ring portals considered spots themselves? If so, then we need a article dedicated only to Mirage spots and/or these rings. Yamitora1 (talk) 19:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

If we made a page dedicated to just the rings or to the mirage spot idea, it would be a short page if it had nothing from this page. The spots already have pages and links from and to this page. Those mentioned on this page require soaring to reach all of them. The rings that appear in areas that you can reach without soaring (the Sea Mauville and the Scorched Slab) don't really need to be on the page. Adamws (talk) 20:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, lets look at it this way. How many locations are only available through surf? Sure there are Pokémon you can encounter while surfing listed, but all the locations themselves are not. We need to make this article only about soaring, we can keep the list of Pokémon from flocks but put all other info into their own articles. Yamitora1 (talk) 20:36, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you can just add another header under Locations. Perhaps you could add a new section "Normal locations" (or something better, IDK what) before the current sections and re-emphasize that any previously visited location can be visited from the sky, and at the same time note that Sea Mauville and the Scorched Slab inexplicably have the floating rings.

After all, if the section is "Locations", that implies to me that it should cover all accessible locations, not just the special ones.

@Yamitora: Surf isn't a great analogy. Surf is purely a mechanic, and you can surf in many different locations (yielding many different sets of encounterable Pokemon); but "soaring" is a mechanic that gives you access to a single area (with one set of Pokemon)...from which multiple other special areas are accessible. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:44, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok, two things. One: This article is about the location "Soaring in the sky" (see the above post in the Move section). The reason that there is the mechanics for soaring are on this page is that the page would be a stub if soaring (the mechanic) was its own page. The reason that the other locations are mention is that they can only be visited via soaring. It is like an extended connection locations section of the location info box (look at Route 101 to see what I mean).

Second thing: I looked on Pokémon.com to see if the wording could give the definition of "Mirage Spot." The wording points to the rings themselves being the Mirage Spots. So, yes, I do now agree that a link to the Sea Mauville and the Scorched Slab can be on this page, they just need to be under their own subsection. Thereby, I agree with Tiddlywinks. Adamws (talk) 20:57, 9 December 2014 (UTC)