Talk:Shipping

Dump qustion

Is caild shiping when it's none Pokemon? Like Lufy and Nami from One Peace--Cerberus 23:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, shipping is pretty much a universal term that is not exclusive to Pokémon. --PAK Man ^Talk 02:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--Cerberus 18:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, like Inuyusha and Kagome. (no, I don't watch that show, I just heard about them.--Starlight_the_ampharos 20:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Link

Does any one else think that on the Characters page (for example, on Mistys page include a link to Pokeshipping)?--DarthCookieMonster 00:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

No, no. Shippings are just (highly agreed on) fan assumptions, such as GSDS or that Ash is gonna catch a Hippopotas. --Theryguy512 01:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Why not? It makes sense, since there is plenty of speculation already, why not at least offer a link to the appropriate shippy section? Also, is there an article that lists all ships described on Bulbapedia? 'Cause I think that might be appropriate here. (Where's altoshipping on this "favorites" list? *pout*) NonaSuomi 21:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

For the sake of having a comprehensive wiki, I'm thinking that compiling a list of all 'ships' might not be a bad idea. -- BCJ(talk) 09:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Gay Shipping

Can We take down all the Gay Shippings like palletShipping, Even with the warning, It just isn't right.--Quick Man 21:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Why?????????!!!!!! Are you against homosexuality? sigh, such prejudice in the world. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HOMOSEXUALITY•Pokemaniac102 21:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

1. No.
2. There's nothing wrong with being gay or lesbian. Besides, just because there's a shipping doesn't mean that people think they're banging each other in secret. Brock and Ash are great friends. That's a relationship, is it not? TTEchidna 02:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, most people think that being lesb/gay is ethically wrong. But wrong/right is a matter of opinion. I, myself, think that homosexuality is wrong, but then again, one must look at the big picture. So, please, show some respect to each other. Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links10:00 23 May 2008

I would challenge that first claim (at least for the West) but let's not get into a political debate. Bulbagarden actually has a longer history of accepting these. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 11:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Whether or not people consider right or wrong, it should still be allowed on the site. This is a Pokémon encyclopedia after all. If shipping in general is part of this encyclopedia, then homosexual ships should be included as well to make the site as complete as it can be. Just because some people find it offensive is no reason to remove it (though it does happen...). Some people find shipping in general to be offensive, while some disagree with having spoilers of things that have only been shown in Japan at the time. These aren't going to be removed, so why should this? - unsigned comment from Hyper Turtwig (talk • contribs)

Keep them up. Weather you thing Homosexuality is wrong or right, it doesn't matter, some people do some people don't. I can't actually stand people who are always against homosexuality and are always like "yeah its wrong blah blah blah" (being Bi-sexual and having a girlfriend myself...). As for you saying "it just isn't right"...Love is love, regardless of gender (: *totally stole that quote from a friend btw* Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 15:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I see no reason why homosexual shipping should be removed. Bulbapedia is supposed to have a neutral POV. One's beliefs on what is right or wrong should have no bearing on the deletion of RELEVANT and LEGITIMATE articles. I agree with Hyper Turtwig, if some find shipping in general to be offensive, why should one class of shipping be removed but the rest spared?Draconium 23:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Um, I actually think the original poster was insinuating upon that he doesn't think odd pairings between members of the same sex is right, aka May and Dawn (simply because people think they would look "cute" together), Ash and Gary (as they are pretty much rivals), and others related to those. - JWhitt 09:20, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

In regards to adding articles

While I'm definately not immersed in the shipping scene, I do notice a few trends that don't have articles yet, like Ash's Chikorita/Bayleef having her obsession over Ash, it's probably as significant as the Latias one. The side of me that likes to add articles started kicking in, but really, what does one do, just make an article and make up a name for the shipping? Or is there some accepted name for how these shipping things turn out, or what? @_@ Toastypk 22:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

We has a list; we likes to use it. Ash/Chikorita is Chikoshipping, and Ash/Bayleef is Bodyslamshipping. If the side that kicks you into making articles exist, be our guest. ArcToraphim 14:23, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Relationship

Relationship did not must be romantic. We all there have a relationship, because we all post on this page. So it will be better to delete the word romantic if is not 100% clear. --Hanmac

i don't have relationship. u need better grammar. i cannot understand what you are writing, you are not clear. Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links10:54 22 Aug 2008

What about Brock and May Shipping?

When Brock returned to the cast, May was quick to drag him around like a new boy toyYami 22:09, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

We have that. It's called ShoppingShipping. --ケンジのガール 22:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

• Speaking of which, can we add this one to the list? If it has its own article then we should list it here. The GRAND list has a bunch of stuff and Shopping lacks a link to this article so people will be unable to find it. Tyciol 09:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Order of the list of popular ships

I know this is a petty thing, but I really think it would be better alphabetically listed, as popularity can be subject to opinion. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 22:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Ditto. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 22:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

That's true...but how are the ships on the page decided?--KK Happy new year! 22:59, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

That is indeed an issue, but we should take it one step at a time, and put the list in alphabetical order until we can figure out what makes a ship be allowed on the list. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 23:31, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

That's fair. I just hope PokéShippers don't freak out that it's not at the top of the list. Personally, I don't think Ikari, Orange, and AppealShipping should be on the list. They're not as popular as the others. --ケンジのガール 23:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, since 3 people hardly counts as consensus, I will wait a bit more before I change it back, to see if anyone complains (for whatever reason) The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 23:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

What about Brock and Dawn Shipping

Is it just me, or should there be a shipping for Dawn and Brock? I mean there is a shipping for Brock and May ShoppingShipping and there is a shipping for Brock and Misty GymShipping. So why not one for Dawn and Brock? - Alexa9966

Go ask the Shipping experts, not here. There probably is one. --ケンジのガール 22:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Says here that it's LightrockShipping.--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 22:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

PalletShipping

Does anyone else think that Palletshipping shouldn't be up on the popular shipping list? I think that no one even supports this shipping anymore because Gary is hardly in the anime anymore. - Alexa9966

That's like saying no one supports Pokéshipping anymore because Misty isn't around (and you know that isn't true) and should be removed from that list too. Palletshipping: stil priddy dam popular. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 15:04, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, but what's popular to one person might not be to another. For example, subconciously, I want to think that no one supports gay ships because I was brought up to believe that homosexuality is wrong (though I now agree with what Seinfeld has to say on the matter).--Totodilesentret!^{Talk to me.} 21:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

LuckShipping

I feel that this should not be under the most popular shipping page. There isn't many fanart, videos, or fanfictions about it. So I don't see a reason for it to still be on. - Alexa9966

ArcToraphim says there needs to be at least one Brock ship up there. And according her, it's the most popular Brock ship. If we defined popularity as a whole, then there would probably be only Ash ships up their. I believe ArcToraphim's idea was to try to make a blended character list. --ケンジのガール 04:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Popularity is found within the voice of fans and not always the fanwork that goes with it. Kenji's correct: I want a mixed list that simply isn't all Ash (which is why Boulder isn't there, even though I'm a fan and I know it has a moderate following). The lack of a Misty 'ship is due to her not being currently present in the group, coupled with not having an alternate, non-Ash 'ship that has the following of Contestshipping (no, Orange doesn't compare; if she did, it wouldn't matter that she's gone like May, it would have been up there). Dawn and Zoey for the lesbian side (Ikari might be thee most popular Dawn 'ship, but Appeal and Penguin at least have something to stand on), Ash and Gary for the gay side (not to mention, still darn popular), Contest because it's nigh-canon, Luck as Brock's top 'ship because Brock is still current (thus shall set an example), and Rocket because that's never going to die. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 04:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Well then what about KitchenMaidShipping or TeenCareShipping, these two shippings have more evidence and TeenCareShipping has a fansite dedicated to it. - Alexa9966

No. It doesn't matter "what has more evidence" or which one has a website. That's not the point. It'll never be KitchenMaid because Autumn is no different than Wilhemina, Temacu, or Natalie: she's a one-off character (AND it's not wildly popular). And Luckshipping against TeenCareshipping...I work off what I hear and see on the forums: Lucy would still beat Holly at the polls as the preferred Brock-ship. Okay? This isn't exactly a debate. Because if you haven't noticed, that listing is called "Some popular ships include," meaning they aren't thee top ten most awesomeawesome 'ships in the world. They're some of the most popular 'ships in the fandom. And we have plenty of those; at the very least, thirty.

Why is this so damn important to you? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

List of Popular Ships

I don't think LuckShipping should be here. As stated before, there isn't many fan made arts or stories about Brock and Lucy. And it's not usually voiced by the fans. If there's a need to be at least one Brock Ship then it should be GymShipping. I'm not a fan of this ship, but GymShipping is mentioned most of the time rather than LuckShipping and there are fanworks. - unsigned comment from Jczala (talk • contribs)

I agree! I feel that Gymshipping is much more popular then luckshipping beacuse it was one of the original shipings so it has lots of fans. I think Luckshipping should be taken off for Gymshippinmg.Alexa9966

I gave my reasons above. You want more? How about, with Luckshipping's inclusion, it's not simply a list between main characters and their rivals (providing minimally accepted diversity/variety)? It stands out as the 'ship that isn't so interlaced with the heavily recurring characters. Luckshipping IS popular (I traverse enough 'shipping forums to know it's a preferred Brockship in recent times), more so than TeenCareshipping, and it doesn't matter about the lack of fanworks. Gymshipping might be the more popular Brockshipping within the overall cast, but Misty has currently fallen off the scene, thus promoting her heavily goes against the grain of getting off the Advance horse and onto the DP horse.

Why is this such a big deal?? No one's picketing my door because I didn't include Ikarishipping or Comashipping. Or Abilityshipping, or Pikashipping (which probably SHOULD be there, now that I think of it, or Altoshipping, as a pokéship). Or Egoshipping, or Twinleafshipping, or Cavaliershipping, or a Max or Tracy 'ship. Why do you CARE? It's a LIST, of SOME popular 'ships. It is not ALL, or the ONLY popular 'ships. This shouldn't be an issue. Honestly. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:33, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it's uch more reasonable for GymShipping to be included instead of LuckShipping. I understand that you've traveled so many forums that have made this shipping with BrockxLucy very popular in the fandom. But I have also been to a lot of forums myself, both Pokemon-centric and not, and saw that Gym Shipping is a lot popular and rather preferred choice of Shipping for Brock. I especially take into consideration the fans who only find some leisure time in Pokemon. Many of them stated that GymShipping would be a good Shipping for Brock. I've also asked around online the rabid fans I know and found out that they recognize GymShipping more than LuckShipping. First of all, both Brock and Misty had so many interactions and hints that make this shipping somewhat solid. It also poses a threat to the popular and ever-so-strong PokeShipping. Misty had been a main character in the show and most fans know her more than Lucy. In addition to that, Lucy had only appeared in few episodes and she is never brought up by Brock again. Misty, at least, appeared in DP in a form of a lure and Brock is the one who explained to Dawn who she is. I have nothing against Lucy, as she is my favorite Frontier Brain. But LuckShipping does not overshadow GymShipping. It should be GymShipping in the list of popular ships and not LuckShipping. mikanlamperouge

If Misty ever gets back as a regular cast member or with a near-canon 'ship that isn't Pokéshipping, we'll see about changing the line-up. But the POINT of having Luckshipping is diversity to that small, tiny list. I went over my reasons for Luck over Gym. It's also just a list of some popular 'ships, not the "most popular" (something a bunch of you guys are not understanding). I'm tired of repeating myself. I don't wish to again on the matter. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 03:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I honestly find BrockxNurse Joy more popular--even for kids. Seriously, I've seen so many fandom works that involve more GymShipping than LuckShipping. I have no particular interest in GymShipping, but a lot of fans still like it. The hints shown in the series were rather convincing and not just a one-time love feeling in Brock's part. I also respect this shipping and don't want this dying for the sake and remembrance of the original series. Like PokeShipping, GymShipping serves as a reminder for fans, old and new, that there were great times spent in the original series. It also goes to show that many fans still would like Misty as the one for Brock, considering all they've been through. When it comes to fandom, I agree that LuckShipping is growing, but it is at the same time a shipping with a very short romance for Brock. Misty, who had been a main character before and a fellow Gym Leader, had more chances to be with Brock. Keep in mind that Misty was always the one who dragged him away from girls. Brock has also shown his good share of care and compassion towards Misty. Many fans also find the two's relationship rather entertaining. A lot of shippers agree to the fact that GymShipping had also pose a big threat to PokeShipping. Brock and Misty have also shaped Ash into the fine trainer he is today. Fan arts, fan videos etc... I've seen more of GymShipping than LuckShipping. There are hardly some LuckShipping works.Okay, I've just stated my opinions about this, and I just want to add that I don't particularly support any shippings with Brock. I only believe that GymShipping is still popular.Akatsuki_hime 06:37, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Links to shippers

Since the page is protected, some of the links, like "RocketShipping" (...relationship between Jessie and James. Thus, RocketShipping was born. ) and ShigeSato (...Satoshi (Ash) and Shigeru (Gary) would be called ShigeSato.) link directly to the shipping articles, when yet Bulbapedia:Shipping prohibits this. Should these be changed? Tails0600 05:37, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Is this relevant?

Sure this query will garner a largely negative response, but are Shipping articles really necessary or conducive to the goals and spirit of Bulbapedia? I figured Bulbapedia was about categorizing and listing all the facts pertaining to the Pokémon series of games and all spin-offs, anime, products, etc. Do fan-based pairings created in a sub-culture of the tie-in anime have enough to do with Pokémon to be relevant or edifying to the users of Bulbapedia? This seems like a weird place for fanfiction and, maybe it's just me, doesn't seem to sit right with the rest of the content on the wiki. I mean, what is shipping itself if not "representing rumors, misconceptions, or opinions as fact"? Podunk 9:13, 3 June 2010

All the shipping articles are kept away from the others for fear of contamination and tagged that they may contain speculation rather than cold, hard fact. It's not fanfiction. The reason we include shipping is because its a valid part of the fandom - Bulbapedia endeavours to document not just ingame statistics, but also the fandom it serves... within reason, after all. —darklordtrom 02:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Update the popular list

We really should update the list of popular ships. I am part of one of the largest Pokemon communities, and IkariShipping is supremely popular, while no one so much as mentions LuckShipping. Also, I believe NegaiShipping should be added to the list, it's popular. - unsigned comment from Chiramii (talk • contribs)

And I'm part of the entire Pokémon community, far and wide. The popular list will be updated in due course. But Ikari is not being put on it. If we listed /every/ popular 'ship, the list would be quite, quite long. The current listing is like it is for a reason. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 23:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Negai

Hey, I think we should add NegaiShipping (Ash <3 Iris) to the major ships, due to that all ships with ash and the main female character of the series (in this case, Best Wishes), always go to the top in popularity, or should we wait until it is a little more popular? ----Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth (talk) 10:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd like the article to have more meat to it before adding it. That's the only reason I'm holding off. It's popular, yes, but there's nothing to it, yet. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 00:03, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Manga Picture

Where did the picture of jessie and james married come from?Angel10698 03:03, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Probably Electric Tale of Pikachu, where they do get married. —darklordtrom 03:06, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Wishful

I think that we should probably add WishfulShipping to the major ships list. It seems to be an even about of shippers for Negai and Wishful so if Negai is there Wishfulshipping should be there as well. - User:Alexa9966

I think we should wait for the two characters to debut in the US before we can even consider it so that it can gain more popularity. Right now it's no where near as popular as some ships that are not listed here. --ケンジのガール 18:04, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Popular ships... too anime focused?

And that's coming from someone who is an anime fanatic. Don't you think some manga ships should be in there? I'm not in to the manga so I have no idea what the popular ships are other than SpecialShipping and ChoosenShipping. --ケンジのガール 06:02, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Frantic's definitely at the top of the list. Lemme scrap together a few. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 01:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

culture differences

should we mention that some culture definations of what's considered shippy is little different. I know that in some cultures(like in some middle eastern ones, and chinese), supposedly close friends also hold hands. in most latin american countries, some african countries, spain, and france friends greet each other with hugs and a kiss on the check. in amercian, friends hug each other.

Not really. Any romantic gestures will be either universal or Japanese in origin. And for the most part, the hints themselves are subjective between friendship and romantic. It's not really a cultural thing. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 01:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't mean to nitpick...

I noticed that NegaiShipping is listed under popular ships and that sort of bewilders me. Is that just because it's a ship with Ash and a female companion? Because from what I seen, NegaiShipping is not that popular among fans. Which is a bit surprising. WishfulShipping seems to be more popular than it is despite their being more valid hints for Negai displayed in the anime for Iris. Especially among Japanese fans (of course CafeMocha out-popularizes them all lol). Let me try to prove my case with some well known sites for fan works. If you have a problem with these couplings, don't click the links.

Here are the tags for both Negai and Wishful on Pixiv. Please compare: Negai vs Wishful

Here is what search results turn up for Negai and Wishful on deviantART. Please compare: Negai vs Wishful *

• In addition to this, I'd like to include the ships' focus groups on dA. Please compare member count: Negai vs Wishful

Here are Ash/Iris and Cilan/Iris stories on FanFiction.net. Please compare: Negai vs Wishful *

These show that NegaiShipping is lagging in popularity when compared to WishfulShipping. I am here to suggest that WishfulShipping get added to the list as well. And no, I'm not doing this because I am a Wishful shipper. If I saw evidence that it was indeed less popular than Negai I wouldn't bring it up. But if Negai is being listed, I think Wishful should be too. And if it is indeed only being listed because it is an Ash x Female companion ship, I would suggest a removal. Ash ships should only be listed if they are indeed very popular, which Negai clearly isn't. --ケンジのガール 10:45, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Satoshi and Bel?

Is there a ship for Satoshi and Bel?SONICバリヤ 06:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 06:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Ship?>

I know this is weird but seeing their is a ship for Ash and PIkachu and Dawn and Piplup, also Brock and Croagunk, Don't you think their should be a Shipping of May and Blaziken or Misty and Togepi? Emeraldben 20:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)