Talk:Serena's Pancham
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Moves
I haven't gotten a chance to re-watch the episode, but do we have any confirmation on the moves? Unless it was explicitly said, Karate Chop could also be Arm Thrust and the rocks popping up from the ground looked more like Rock Tomb than Stone Edge or Rock Slide. Adyniz — Wanna talk? 07:11, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- I was thinking the same thing. I haven't watched the episode yet, but Pancham battled on its own and didn't get any commands. When Fennekin first used Hidden Power, we made sure it wasn't added until it was called out in another episode, as there was no real confirmation when it first used it. I don't think we should act differently here. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 07:42, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Neither attack was named in the episode. The only move we can be certain about is Dark Pulse, since both Pancham and Pumpkaboo used it. I think the rock move was trying to portray the way Stone Edge comes out of the ground in XY, which has been a theme in this season's animations. I do think both of Pancham's moves should be hidden, as we did with Fennekin's Hidden Power. ㄱ쉰 G50 09:40, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- If we do hide it, would there be a way to display the unknown moves as "???" or something to that extent while we wait for confirmation? That way we acknowledge that there are three moves, but we don't know what two of them are yet. --Pokemaster97 14:22, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, that would be better.
- {{anmov|rock|???|XY047|XY047}} seems to work fine. And it shows this, if we don't include the types as well, i.e. {{anmov|???|???|XY047|XY047}}. Feel free to use whatever you guys feel suitable. I personally don't mind either. Adyniz — Wanna talk? 15:09, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- If we do hide it, would there be a way to display the unknown moves as "???" or something to that extent while we wait for confirmation? That way we acknowledge that there are three moves, but we don't know what two of them are yet. --Pokemaster97 14:22, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Neither attack was named in the episode. The only move we can be certain about is Dark Pulse, since both Pancham and Pumpkaboo used it. I think the rock move was trying to portray the way Stone Edge comes out of the ground in XY, which has been a theme in this season's animations. I do think both of Pancham's moves should be hidden, as we did with Fennekin's Hidden Power. ㄱ쉰 G50 09:40, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Sunglasses pic
none of the pictures on this page show Pancham wearing its sunglasses. Seems silly to me. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 21:16, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
About it's Gender
Since Smoochum is a female-only Pokemon, doesn't it mean Pancham's a boy?-- --DragonSlayingFairy (tAlk) 02:52, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
- Site Policy is that Pokémon can be homosexual/gay/lesbian/trans/bi/bi and/or Tri-gendered/whatever, so no. And that crush was dub-only. So no.--BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 03:11, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
- Site policy huh...? Well alright then. And I wouldn't exactly say the crush was dub only, it was heavily implied with Smoochum's blush and having hearts in her eyes when Nene tried to get Serena to trade Pancham. Still though I get it and all, what with that particular Purlion in that BW episode. -- --DragonSlayingFairy (tAlk) 23:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Pancham's gender confirmed in 7-11 movie event
In the Japanese 7-11 movie event, Serena's Pancham was given via code. It was a male with black glasses. Does this confirm that Serena's Pancham is male?Leafeon6954 (talk) 22:34, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
- No. Information given by event Pokémon does not confirm anything, because an event Pokémon has to have a gender, Ability, and Nature in order to work properly, even if the anime version has not had any of those things confirmed. AGGRON989 00:03, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- Don't get me wrong. I think Pancham is male, myself. But keep in mind they had a male Purrloin that Oshawott fell in love with, and you can't know if it was two girls having a little dance in Pancham's appearance with Smoochum. CycloneGU (talk) 01:47, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- Aggron989- Serena's fennekin and Ash's pikachu had correct genders when they were distributed via code. Why wouldn't they do the same for Pancham?Leafeon6954 (talk) 22:35, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- They had the correct genders, but those genders have also been confirmed in the anime itself - Pancham's hasn't, so they had to give it a gender for the event. I agree with CycloneGU in that Pancham is almost certainly a boy, but it was decided a few months ago that we can't put it in the infobox until the anime says so. AGGRON989 02:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- As a confirmation for Pikachu's gender, one example is in DP142. Pikachu and others get caught up in Togepi's Attract, and with at least one confirmed male already, all affected Pokémon and the Togepi were also confirmed respectively. Meanwhile, Jessie's Yanmega was NOT affected, confirming its gender as female, much to the surprise of even Jessie (who clearly thought it was male).
- If we ever get a similar scenario with both Pancham and Pikachu hit by this type of move and affected (or not), or even both Pancham and Braixen, then Pancham will be instantly confirmed. CycloneGU (talk) 21:27, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- This is the sole reason I hope to see Iris's Emolga again. I hope she uses attract like she always does (possibly for the Pokepuffs) so that Pancham and the others finally get their genders confirmed. Hopefully after Serena get's her third pokemon of course. By the way CycloneGU, did you mean Braixen or...?-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 01:54, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- They had the correct genders, but those genders have also been confirmed in the anime itself - Pancham's hasn't, so they had to give it a gender for the event. I agree with CycloneGU in that Pancham is almost certainly a boy, but it was decided a few months ago that we can't put it in the infobox until the anime says so. AGGRON989 02:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- Aggron989- Serena's fennekin and Ash's pikachu had correct genders when they were distributed via code. Why wouldn't they do the same for Pancham?Leafeon6954 (talk) 22:35, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- Don't get me wrong. I think Pancham is male, myself. But keep in mind they had a male Purrloin that Oshawott fell in love with, and you can't know if it was two girls having a little dance in Pancham's appearance with Smoochum. CycloneGU (talk) 01:47, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, Pancham's gender is right now! It was already confirmed in XY104.--JasonL (Talk) 16:25, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Pancham's gender trivia
Shouldn't we wait until the end of the series to add that Pancham is the only Pokémon of Serena's without a confirmed gender? This is because Serena has three Pokémon currently, a Pokémon with Attract (such as Iris's Emolga) might appear in a future episode and we'll get Pancham's gender, or Serena may capture three Pokémon during the series run and their genders don't get confirmed right away. PattyMan 05:03, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- I agree, the series is no way close to being over yet. We should wait until the last episode or something just to be sure since Iris might be coming with Emolga soon or from another circumstance in an episode to come.-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 16:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
The preview for XYZ012 has confirmed Pancham's gender, it was showed to be wearing a blue bowtie, which means it is male. Esquilo30 (talk) 19:48, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- I've been told that clothing doesn't count. Since the rules say that males must pair with females, I'm guessing Serena paired Pancham and Braixen together judging from the preview, or there's a dress code. We have to wait until the ep to be sure.-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 00:11, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, there's proof now! Esquilo30 was right.--JasonL (Talk) 04:56, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
- There's been proof for a while but the admins insisted on denying it. They need to start excepting obvious evidence instead of going by something the writers are never going to do. I'm sorry if this off topic or whatever but I feel that this is something that needs to be said.Flain (talk) 21:07, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Yeah I agree and that's okay. Next time the other admins should follow their instincts on what gender a Pokémon is.--JasonL (Talk) 21:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
- I am only going to say this once, we are never going to assume genders based off behavioral patterns. That is the worse way to guess genders, since a guy can act like a girl and vice versa. If you have a problem with that, then too bad.--ForceFire 05:08, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Who says somebody has a problem with genders? We know how they work differently through out both anime and the games.--JasonL (Talk) 05:17, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think wearing a crown/bowtie during that dance automatically confirms a gender. Remember the time that Dawn's Piplup wore a cheerleader outfit, and was later confirmed to be male? The only real hint that Pancham could be male is because a Smoochum, a female-only Pokémon, has a crush on it. But of course, there's that bizzaro episode where Pikachu and Piplup fall in love... and they're both male (justified because of the Affinity Enabler). This is also a reason why we don't list Clemont's Chespin as a male despite it having a crush on a female Meowstic. UxieLover1994 (talk) 05:25, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- It's not just because Pancham wore a bow-tie. It's because the rule of the dance party was that the people and Pokemon had to dance with the opposite gender. Pancham danced with Serena's Braixen. Playerking95 (talk) 07:49, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- Besides do you guys honestly think that the writers would make a Pokémon gay or bisexual? I'll tell you write now that if you asked any of them they would tell that there are no gay or bisexual Pokémon. Take what the writers will and won't do into consideration. - unsigned comment from Flain (talk • contribs)
- It doesn't matter what we think the writers would and would not do. Unless something has been officially confirmed by a completely irrefutable piece of evidence, such as the use of Attract, its being explicitly stated, or the wearing of gender-specific items (as was the case for Pancham in the dance episode), then the policy is that it doesn't go on the wiki. We can't make assumptions based on what we think the writers would and would not do. AGGRON989 22:28, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- So it doesn't matter what the people who literally control every single thing in the anime, and therefore a Pokémon's gender and Personality, would or wouldn't do doesn't matter? Yeah that makes perfect sense, not. Okay how about this: Prove that gay/bisexual Pokémon exist in the anime. Do that and I'll shut up. It cannot be something like the Piplup and Pikachu example because that was not an act of homosexuality.Flain (talk) 22:44, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter what we think the writers would and would not do. Unless something has been officially confirmed by a completely irrefutable piece of evidence, such as the use of Attract, its being explicitly stated, or the wearing of gender-specific items (as was the case for Pancham in the dance episode), then the policy is that it doesn't go on the wiki. We can't make assumptions based on what we think the writers would and would not do. AGGRON989 22:28, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- The anime is targeted at children, not at yaoi fans. Homosexuality is banned here, and the example with Pikachu and Piplup is only because of artificial reasons. Case closed. UxieLover1994 (talk) 23:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- I'm glad someone understands that. Flain (talk) 02:43, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- We will not assume what the writers will and won't do, regardless of the laws over there. This will not get discussed any further, our policy is very simple, gender is only confirmed through Attract or explicitly stated in show, not behavioral patterns.--ForceFire 03:41, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- And that is severely flawed. Flain (talk) 23:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- No, that's not. Plus, Smoochum could've mistaken Pancham as male out of all the possibilities. Besides, there's no proof all Pokémon are heterosexual, as Quilladin in XY094 could've been attracted to the Eeveelutions and not opposite gender, we don't know what each Pokémon is attracted to, and if we knew that all Pokémon were attracted to the opposite gender, well then, again, Pancham could've mistaken Smoochum for male like in Purrloin: Sweet or Sneaky?. So, that's why it's ambiguous whether Quilladin in XY094 is male or not just because it fell in love with Eevee. Only if it was stated in the episode, has a noticeable gender difference*, or if was hit with Cute Charm/Attract or not, but with one of the Pokémon having a confirmed gender that is, like in Kindergarten Chaos!, where the Sylveon's gender wasn't confirmed, therefore Froakie's gender wasn't confirmed either, even if Meowth fell in love with it. So yeah, no gender difference, no Attract or Cute Charm, no dialogue in the episode confirming the gender = no gender confirmed. That's how it works. - PokémonGamer* 00:22, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
- And that is severely flawed. Flain (talk) 23:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- We will not assume what the writers will and won't do, regardless of the laws over there. This will not get discussed any further, our policy is very simple, gender is only confirmed through Attract or explicitly stated in show, not behavioral patterns.--ForceFire 03:41, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- I'm glad someone understands that. Flain (talk) 02:43, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- Besides do you guys honestly think that the writers would make a Pokémon gay or bisexual? I'll tell you write now that if you asked any of them they would tell that there are no gay or bisexual Pokémon. Take what the writers will and won't do into consideration. - unsigned comment from Flain (talk • contribs)
- It's not just because Pancham wore a bow-tie. It's because the rule of the dance party was that the people and Pokemon had to dance with the opposite gender. Pancham danced with Serena's Braixen. Playerking95 (talk) 07:49, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Question
Um, is it okay to add picture of Pancham (as well as the others) evolved in the article? Of course just in the trivia section, since it was a dream made up by Darkrai. It just seems like a shame not to in my opinion, if not though- then alright.
I'd imagine it would look something like this:
- ==Trivia==
- Pancham's capture marks the longest duration between one of Ash's friends' first and second captures, taking 43 episodes.
- Pancham is the first pure Fighting type to be caught by a main character since Ash's Primeape. Coincidentally, both of them stole Ash's hat.
- The sunglasses that Pancham wears are based on the red version of the Wide-Frame Sunglasses that Serena wears in the games. Their color scheme is also similar to Ash's Krookodile's.
- In XY097, Pancham appeared in Pikachu's dream able to speak human language and evolve at will.
Pancham as Pangoro
Should it be?-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 05:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- That can go in its history section, alongside the paragraph detailing the events of XY097 (in relations to Pancham). --ForceFire 05:51, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Could I do that for Chespin, Bunnelby, Delphox, and Frogadier as well?-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 13:16, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
