Talk:Pokkén Tournament

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New Screenshots

While searching through GameXplain's YouTube channel, I found this. Thought this would be of good use here. Still waiting on their analysis, though... Aidanzapunk (talk) 15:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Offical Japanese website

Which is the official Japanese website of Pokkén Tournament? This one or this one? --Yen01 (talk) 09:19, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Considering how I don't read Japanese, it's hard for me to tell, because they both could be official (emphasis on could). Let me see if I can get someone to tell me which one it is. Aidan the Aura Master 12:03, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
...actually, going off of the URL names, I'd say the first one. Aidan the Aura Master 12:05, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
They're both official. Note that the blue box after the video on the first site links to the second site. --Abcboy (talk) 18:16, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
OK, thanks! So which link we put into the article doesn't matter, right? --Yen01 (talk) 11:13, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
In all honesty, I say put both. Aidan the Aura Master 15:37, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh sorry, I didn't check Abcboy's edit when I said that. --Yen01 (talk) 16:06, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

So

Y'all need to catch up on this stuff. Aidan the Aura Master 03:26, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

And you need to watch the attitude. If you want to inform us about it, don't be so condescending, please. Ataro (talk) 05:33, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm just saying, at the time I put that up, it was HOURS after a huge Pokken Tournament stream (which is when Gengar was announced), and I would've assumed this page would be updated by then. Guys over here tend to take care of this stuff almost immediately, so I don't see why you guys can't either. Aidan the Aura Master 15:13, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
That's what BulbaNewsNOW is for, and also what you are for. Since you noticed it so quickly, you should help and update the article too. Bulbapedia is a collaborative effort. --Abcboy (talk) 16:27, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Background Pokemon

When the actual game comes out, all the background Pokemon should be divided into sections depending on what stage they're in the background of. Sir Jolteon (talk) 23:51, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Individual Playable Character pages

  • Now since the game isn't out for the Wii U just yet, I'm not saying this has to be done now, but anyone think it is a good idea to start making pages for the playable characters (kinda like the ones done for the Pokémon playable in Super Smash Bros. series)? At least starting as a userspace page before moving it to the mainspace? Hey, I'm willing to start one or more myself if need be. I just didn't want to start something I wasn't suppose to at the moment or anything. Or will the playable character information be added to the Pokkén Tournament page instead? I guess in other words, any plans and what are they? ^_^' ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 18:23, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Type?

Actually, does it really have a Type for the character in the games? It doesn't meaningful to add a secondary Type IMO. Raymond 02:41, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Jigglypuff?

I haven't seen her yet as a background character, if she really is one, mind providing proof please? Nintenzilla (talk) 13:21, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Is the "Gallery" necessary?

Now that the game is out- at least in Japan; should we remove the Gallery section since it doesn't give much information and is based on pre-release material? Superjustinbros. (talk) 02:02, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Pretty sure we have a gallery on most game pages... Me, Hurray! (talk) 21:50, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Shadow Mewtwo Artwork

So someone posted supposedly official artwork of Shadow Mewtwo on Tumblr. Should that be used to replace the generic Sugimori artwork? Or is it too low-res? Does anyone even know where it came from? 'Cuz I can't find it anywhere other than one un-sourced Tumblr post. Me, Hurray! (talk) 21:54, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Looks like it's from Famitsu, but flipped Vienna Waltz (talk) 23:36, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Character list

I have a few questions about the character list.

  1. Is there any way to make it larger? As it stands, the pictures are pretty tiny.
  2. Should we put their battling style and/or special moves on their? Serebii has them listed - obviously we aren't Serebii, but it seems like something we'd want to mention. This would also help with point 1.
  3. Is there another font color we could use for Chandelure's name that still means "fire-type"? Right now it's impossible to read.

I think that's all. Nutter Butter (talk) 22:12, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Once the game comes out, I expect that each character will eventually have their own page, including their fighting style, movelist, and BURST ability. - Chosen of Mana 01:12, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
  • And if you really want to add information about Pokémon's battle style and/or special moves, I suppose you can search for and see if anyone made a user namespace page for individual Pokémon and see about helping them out or organize the information or something like that. But it will probably be all taken care of once the game actually comes out, I suppose. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 00:22, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Split

Listing 122 Pokémon on the page for a game seems excessive. The Pokémon featured in each arena would fit better on articles for each arena. --Abcboy (talk) 23:20, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

  • I'm guessing that would be done when we have the pages for each arena, when the game comes out. I'm probably stating the obvious, but who knows. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 22:22, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
We're up to 214 now, not counting duplicates (playable and background). There's also Caterpie and Bunnelby on the rides in Diggersby Land, which I think should be included. --KingStarscream (talk) 20:18, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
I agree. I haven't analyzed each area, but it's better split by area. So now we need area pages. CycloneGU (talk) 21:06, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
I also agree. It also needs to be cleared up if depictions of the pokemon count, or just the actual pokemon themselves. For example, the Regi trio and Regigigas only show up as statues. Should they be listed? What about pokemon in paintings? etc. Jabberwockxeno (talk) 01:42, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, this should probably happen. The Kami Trio appears in a mural (in their Incarnate Forms) plus there are Caterpie and Bunnelby rides off the top of my head from Diggersby Land. EDIT: Also, there is Marshtomp and a Mega Swampert snowman in Old Ferrum Town Winter. EDIT2: I also just discovered a Mantine Kite flying over Old Ferrum Town AutumnSwiftgallade46 (talk) 01:41, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
I think "real" background Pokemon should be primarily noted. It may be okay to note appearances in paintings and stuff, but only separately (perhaps purely as text), and probably only if the background Pokemon are split off somewhere.
As a suggestion, Swiftgallade46, you seem to be finding a lot of background Pokemon. Perhaps you could also devote some time to trying to create a user page for one of the arenas, so that we can develop that and perhaps split the background Pokemon off sooner rather than later. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:48, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
I'd like to, but I'm not sure how to create a page or how to format it really. Once they go up I'll be happy to continue contributing more background Pokemon, though! (I have 6 more to add already). If you want me to hold off on adding any more until the pages are created, let me know! =] Swiftgallade46 (talk) 04:57, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm just wishing that those who obviously like a game can do everything the game needs doing. =P I'd like to just try and drop off some advice on your talk page (in a while) so maybe you could have a go at making an arena page (and maybe more). (Better there than here, so it can freely develop on its own.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:34, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

More work

This absolutely needs more work due several amounts of details as i have played it myself yesterday, also sub pages of the playable pokemon are needed like Smash versions because these have also details in their abilities and moves. --WikiAldo (talk) 17:27, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Dogasu's Backpack

I don't think we should use only Dogasu's Backpack for a scource because it only has Japanese names of characters, not full lists of moves Pokemon can use AND no moves for Sceptile and Chandelure. Because of this, we need another scoure to be used with Dogasu's Backpack. CoolMan6001 (talk) 22:38, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

No one's suggesting it should be our only source, our bible. But if anyone interested in editing the page doesn't have a primary source themselves, then Dogasu's Backpack is an acceptable option/middleground. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:42, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
No better source than the game's Pause menu. That beats any Web site. CycloneGU (talk) 02:28, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
And the game's Practice Mode helps go into a lot of detail. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 02:32, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Also, the official site has PDFs for each Pokémon's moves. For example: http://assets.pokemon.com/assets/cms2/pdf/video-game/pokken/Blaiziken_Chart_EN.pdf ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 03:44, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

So each character is getting their own Pokken page, right?

I'm asking because [[1]]

I was debating whether to post character trivia on the article (even if it's temporary), or just wait. Unowninator (talk) 04:16, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, I do have a separate page for Charizard that is being worked on. Technically, the idea of separate pages for each of the Pokémon has been brought up probably about three times now. :P But looking at Charizard's main page, I'm surprised they say that Pokkén trivia should be moved elsewhere when there is currently at least one Super Smash Bros trivia on his main page even though Charizard has a specific page for him in Smash Bros. :/ IDK. But I'd say just wait. I'm not even sure if the Pokkén pages for will have trivia or not. Not yet, anyway. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 20:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Cinnabar Island Trivia

There was previously a Trivia point that was listed about Nia mentioning that she read the Cinnabar Island documents on Mewtwo. I personally agreed that this was an interesting bit of trivia and that it deserved to be listed. The reason given for removing it was...not the best. I'd like to avoid contributing to the edit war that was going on, so it would be cool if a Staff member could give a final say about this. Thanks! =) Swiftgallade46 (talk) 23:24, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

It's "interesting", but it's not actually ideal for this page anyway. The trivia is really about Shadow Mewtwo and/or Cinnabar Island (documents), not so much "the game overall"; it fits much better on pages for those narrower subjects than it does here. It's already on Cinnabar Island. When there's a Shadow Mewtwo page it could also be added there. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:48, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I did not know it was listed elsewhere. Thanks for clearing that up! Swiftgallade46 (talk) 03:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Oh, my Cinnabar Island fact is still gone? I thought I put it back after that guy kept taunting me.
Also, I probably should've mentioned that it happens when fighting him as a boss after advancing to the next league, but I couldn't avoid making it too wordy. Unowninator (talk) 03:11, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Well the reason that was originally given was rude, which is why I brought it up here. But I think Tiddlywinks gave a good reason to leave it out of this specific page for now. I was Just curious as to why it hadn't been put back is all. Swiftgallade46 (talk) 03:57, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Hasn't it already been said that this specific piece of trivia is not suitable for this particular article? Why is it being put back again, no matter how uncivil the original removal/taunting was? Chenzw (talk) 04:01, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
So Tiddlywinks, this trivia should go on Shadow Mewtwo's page? Because even though it isn't finished, me (or anyone else if necessary) can just add it to the page on my userspace for now. At least then it will be there whenever the page is ready for mainspacing. I feel like any trivia about an individual character on the roster might as well be moved to their own page, even if it still is on my userspace, it will just have to be discussed on their talk page first, at least. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 17:27, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Mewtwo vs Shadow Mewtwo opposites.

I noticed that Mewtwo & Shadow Mewtwo, despite being the same Pokemon, have a lot of opposite characteristics. Here's what I noticed.

Mewtwo Shadow Mewtwo
Moves consume Synergy Gauge Moves consume HP
Can only teleport into the air Teleports onto the ground
Synergy Gauge charges the slowest Synergy Gauge charges the fastest
Non-damaging counter attack (Barrier) works on the ground, and links into 3 other moves Non-damaging counter attack (Reflect) works in the air and links into 3 other moves
Burst attack has the shortest reach Burst attack has the greatest reach

Not the best table, but it'll do for now. They also share some of the same attacks, but I have to leave soon, so I'll probably add those later. But anyway, is this worth mentioning? Unowninator (talk) 21:05, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

They also share some of the same, if not similar attacks (But I forgot the names for most of them).

Field phase:

  • (Y)
  • →(Y)
  • (X)
  • Grab attack

Duel Phase

  • ↑(A) Psystrike
  • (Y) + (Y)
  • Grab attack
  • Midair (Y)
  • ↑(X)

Well? Unowninator (talk) 17:26, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Even though they are basically the same species of Pokémon, they are technically two different characters on the roster. Otherwise you might as well do the same for Pikachu and Pikachu Libre. That's what I think, anyway. Plus a lot of this trivia probably would be better for their actual pages when they are done. I've already linked the ones that are on my namespace multiple times on this talk page, so I don't really need to re-post them again. :P ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 22:49, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Did I say "different"? I meant to say "two separate characters", my bad. ;P ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 23:14, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
201 Spoiler warning: this article may contain major plot or ending details. 201

They're the same Mewtwo. After you beat the final boss, the yellow crystal on its shoulder shatters, and then its black coloring reverts back to normal. But it's clearly 2 different Pikachu thanks to the gender-tail thing.

201 Spoilers end here. 201

Unowninator (talk) 23:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I am aware of that. Even so, as I said, they are two separate characters on the roster itself (e.i. you can have a Mewtwo vs Shadow Mewtwo match and it won't counted as a "mirror match" and no alt skins with be used). Unless we end up combining the pages I made for Mewtwo and Shadow Mewtwo into one article, I personally don't see much of a point unless you do the same with Pikachu since it and Mewtwo have two members of the same species on the roster itself. And so far, it seems the plan is to have separate articles for each. But I don't know if that will change or not. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 23:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
I haven't even tired regular Pikachu, so I don't know enough about the two. But I still think it's interesting. Besides, Zangoose & Seviper have trivia about their similarities. Why not allow the opposite? Unowninator (talk) 16:47, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
I think you meant "tried" (don't worry about editing that, typos happen, that's why previews can help...sometimes, but I digress). Also, I wouldn't say this is the "opposite" of the Seviper/Zangoose thing, but if you mean "why not try it here with both Mewtwos in Pokkén" or really "why not allow the same here", then I'd say that I just don't see a point, unless the same is done with both Pikachus as it currently stands. Especially since right now they have separate pages. IDK, people can just look at the information there and pretty much differ for themselves if they need to. But like I have been saying, this is just my personal thoughts on the matter. I feel this idea would actually work better if the pages for both Mewtwos were combined into one article, as I have been saying as well. But I'm now just repeating what I have been saying already, so I really have nothing else to add on this currently. Right now, I think we should be more concerned on finishing the character pages I've started (as well as the ones needed for the arenas, though I don't know if anyone else started on those) and getting them ready for the mainspace. At least, as far as Pokkén Tournament related things go. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 17:17, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Look, I'm not asking you to add it now, (or even on their pages). This was originally meant for the Pokken trivia. And the only reason I care so much is because it's the same Mewtwo, unlike the male Pikachu & Libre one. Does anyone else want to share their opinion? I need someone to break the tie, you know what I mean? Unowninator (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough, all I can add now is that if this is trivia to be added, it should probably be best added to the character's page(s) and not the actual Pokkén Tournament page (and really that goes for any of the roster, as I've added the trivia for them posted on the Pokkén page to their individual page on my userspace). But they aren't necessarily complete at the moment. Probably best to see how the pages turn out, I suppose. Somehow, try to keep a copy of this "trivia" in case they do combine the Mewtwos into one page at least (which I'm gonna ask about in the talk section of one of the pages I'm working on). A second opinion is always welcome, even though I'm wondering why no one else has said anything so far. Maybe they feel it is too early to tell (as far as the pages' progress is going). IDK. For all I know, this isn't really a top priority for anyone else, honestly, I'd think finishing the basic information on a page would be more important to focus on than the trivia. So like I said, let's worry about getting the basic information finished for the pages so they can be mainspaced, then we can discuss the trivia. (P.S. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to do this but, the physical structure of your reply was a bit odd to me, so I kinda tweaked it; if I overstepped my boundaries, may that edit be undone) ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 00:29, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
That's a great point. If you have Pokken and/or know a lot about it, we would be much happier if you could work on improving our Pokken coverage overall instead of focusing on trivia. So very little work is being done on the things that really need it, like characters and arenas... Even Support Pokemon should be improved so that it includes all the information you see about them when you select them (and possibly more). Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Very well, we can worry about this later (besides, I can't change any trivia for the time being). If it helps, here's some of my notes that I think could be added:

  • Fennekin: The user is invincible temporarily before she "explodes".
  • Emolga: Shoots in a straight horizontal line
  • Ninetales: Also grants invincibility, and makes like a wall which blocks attacks.
  • Farfetch'd: The user can still attack when Farfetch'd does.
  • Croagunk: The attack is a purple puddle on the ground.
  • Yveltal: A red attack on the ground like Toxic, which then gets larger, but weaker.

That's all I can think of for the moment. Unowninator (talk) 02:28, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Voice cast

I really don't know where else to put this at the moment but here is the voice cast from the game's credits:

Character Voice Actors (Japanese/English): Nia - Marina Inoue/Ananda Jacobs; Anne - Yui Ishikawa/Jenny Shima; Alyssa - Mayumi Iizuka/Tomomi Shimada; Glenn - Kensuke Sato/Charles Glover; Travis - Tarusuke Shingaki/Michael Wattley; Keith - Kenta Ohkuma/Brett Coleman; Elinn - Karin Nanami/Aniella Sanchez; Walter - Minoru Inaba/Walter Roberts; Nora - Romi Park/Rachel Walzer; Jake - Masaki Terasoma/Peter von Gomm; Nicholas - Kazuhiro Fusegawa/Jovette Rivera; Chloe - Chinatsu Akasaki/Rumiko Varnes; Ryan - Chiharu Shigematsu/Vinay Murthy; Maya - Saaya Nohara/Tomomi Shimada; System Voice - Yuki Kaida

Pokémon Voice Actors: Chinatsu Akasaki, Daichi Endo, Kiyotaka Furushima, Kazuhiro Fusegawa, Sachie Hirai, Yuki Horinaka, Mayumi Iizuka, Kikuko Inoue, Miyuki Kobori, Tsuguo Mogami, Ami Naito, Karin Nanami, Saaya Nohara, Kenta Ohkuma, Ikue Otani, Toru Sakurai, Kensuke Sato, Chiharu Shigematsu, Tarusuke Shingaki, Masaki Terasoma, Hiroki Yasumoto, Hiroyuki Yoshino

Sorry, they aren't really specific on what Pokémon was being voiced by who. I just figured I share this for anyone making a page for the human characters. For the Pokémon voices, one can only make educated guesses possibly based on whether they've voiced for the franchise before or not. IDK. The only obvious one is for Pikachu/Pikachu Libre. Also, it seems none of the Pokémon have English VA's, which doesn't surprise me since all of them sounded like they were saying their Japanese names, anyway. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 06:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Ideas for templates and categories.

To be honest, I just don't want to jump the gun, do anything I'm not supposed to do/that I don't have the authority on, or even bite off more than I can chew (honestly, I'm not sure how much time I can spare working on Bulbapedia generally; plus, I'm still trying to finish up the individual playable Pokémon pages when I can, as well), but I'm wondering if I should also start making different categories for any current and/or future article related to this game: like a category for all the human characters, the playable Pokémon, the Pokémon of a specific fighting style (standard, power, speed, technique), locations, etc. Also, I think it may help to make a template for this game with at least the playable characters on it, I guess like a navigation template of some sort. I can try and see about starting on that (though I'll have to figure out the proper script/coding for that), too, but if someone else has started or plans to start one, please speak up now. Like I said, I can just try and start these things out on my namespace, but I would like to check in and see if that isn't necessary for me to do so (or if anyone have any helpful tips before I get started). ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 22:51, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Aand, I already made the navigation template in my sandbox/userspace. So yeah, that's another start, but yeah if anyone has anything to add/say, go for it. :P ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 22:43, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Darkrai

Okay since my edit was changed back to say Darkrai will be exclusive to the arcade version I think it's necessary to point out that files suggesting that Darkrai would be included were found in an update for the Wii U version through datamining.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokkenGame/comments/4o5mnh/some_info_about_file_differences_in_the_new_13/

Before anyone argues against this, let me remind you that this sort of thing is how different event exclusive Legendaries were discovered and were later officially confirmed.- unsigned comment from Flain (talkcontribs)

From what I read on gamefaqs, at least a month ago, they found data for Darkrai, Empoleon and Scizor. Its data is there alright. Unowninator (talk) 20:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
My point exactly.Flain (talk) 01:49, 18 July 2016 (UTC)