Should probably be merged with lawsuits. Under a new title. Evkl 20:53, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Good plan. Wonder why I didn't think that in the first place. - Ferret 20:59, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Arty, the a Swastika-like symbol is in fact good luck in numerous cultures, notably some Native American ones.
Okay, but I think keeping the extrnal links would enlight some people that want more proof :)
I really need someone to get in here and change it to 'manji', which is what the symbol on the card really is. I still haven't figured out the hang of external links.
manji is merely the Japanese name for what is ultimately an Indian symbol, otherwise known as Swastika in English. - 刘 (劉) 振霖 12:58, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Really? Because what I saw is that the Manji goes the other way.
The term swastika cannot describe the symbol going either way. read the original article and you will understand. they are both different symbols. the nazi's intentionally derived the swastika from the manji.
Wikipedia says: Manji (卍) is the Japanese word for swastika. and The word swastika is derived from the Sanskrit svastika, meaning any lucky or auspicious object, and in particular a mark made on persons and things to denote good luck. The two words are one in the same. To say otherwise would be the equivalent of saying neko and cat are two different things. However, I have read there and elsewhere that manji is used only for the swastika in the context of Buddhist art and scripture. So, we have a dilemma. Is manji acceptable given the context of the card? --Argy 22:51, 28 August 2005 (CDT)
We have a double context here - it's a swastika from the POV of the complainers, and it's a manji from the POV of the artist. The reason why both POVs are correct: they're the same damn thing at heart! Just different connotations.
Now, why don't we avoid all this ridiculous controversy and call it that damned symbol which appears to be a cross with its arms bent clockwise which invokes memories of facism and racism in the West and Buddhism in the East - 振霖T 01:23, 29 August 2005 (CDT)
I happen to remember a story a while ago about children ins some far-flung country imitating Pokémon by jumping off of buildings and attempting to fly (Like a Pidgey I think it was) If anyone else remembers this story, can you link to somewhere documenting it? Thanks. - Ferret 11:02, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I think that was made up like the Superman story back in the 50s.
I read a largish essay on a website once that explained that Jynx was actually unintentionally racist, due to how the Japanese culture is. Anyone know where I can find it? I'ld like to expand on this section a little. - Ferret 11:07, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
- I don't think you can be unintentionally racist. - Jshadias 15:18, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
I think you speak of this article, Ferret: http://www.bulbagarden.net/~dogasu/bashing/racist_jynx_01.html - Zeta
Am I the only one who just plain doesn't see the resemblance? I seem to recall a Nordic story about a witch who stayed out in the snow so long she turned black from the cold...--BJG
Yeah that's the article Zeta. Thank you. - Ferret 02:21, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
>The vauge legend about the ice princess who turned black is addressed in the article on Dogasu's Site - IE, no one can find solid proof of it. And it seems likely that someone just fabricated it to explain Jynx in an inoffensive manner. - Zeta
No, I'd heard it. I'd have to look it up. But I don't think she was a princess, though, which may be what throws people off--BJG
- Searching around the Japanese Wikipedia implies that they only call her Hel (ヘル) (in Japan), though.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 21:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
It should be noted in the article that Pokémon is completely banned in Saudi Arabia. I would avoid placing the mention in the "Jewish Plot" area since that is not (to my knowledge) the justification given by the Saudi government.
About the controversy section...
Ok, I just wanted to mention that something about this section seems... off, Could someone mention the part of sexism in the anime? I feel that this should be mentioned because i noticed quite a bit of it, especially in AG and DP in how the main girls act. In fact even in the first season there were slight traces of sexism (Though not in the main female) in the series, one infamous example is Beauty and the Beach, but another, little-known example is in Princess vs. Princess when they had almost every single girl (with the sole exceptions of Misty and Jessie) in the store (and even the contest hall) squealing like animals at least twice, and at most three times (one of which had Ash, Brock, Pikachu, James, And Meowth being trampled by those... Airheads like Mufasa with the wildebeest stampede). I know this one is an awful sexist stereotype because a relative of mine commented on it being awful and disliking it when she saw it, heck, at least 2 of my classes in my school agreed with me when i brought it up as part of a project. so, with your permission, i'd like to add these tidbits into the article.
- This is more about controversy from outside voices than controversies that only arise within the fandom. --FabuVinny T-C-S 17:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
umm... my relative IS an outside voice, and possibly some of my classmates who aren't exactly part of the forums. ~~Weedle_McHairybug~~
...Or were you meaning that we can only cite controversies that are within the fandom? because if that's what you were meaning, then most of these things REALLY have to go. Take the Jynx thing, that technically wasn't an "in-fandom" controversy (at least, not to the same extent that the VA Change or even Misty being removed from the main cast was), and yet that one is counted as a controversy. Same deal with the satanism controversy, the Uri Geller fine, the swastika/manji controversy, "Pokemon Kills", Pokemon TCG = Gambling, or the Jewish Plot = Pokemon Controversy. and anyways, it is also a controversy within the fanbase since I also have at least one person on serebiiforums and a few others who agree with me, or at the very least understand where I am coming from. So this is the rationale as to why I think it should be implemented.
- No, he means controversies outside of the fandom. Controversies inside the fandom are usually on the articles' pages, this stuff's about people who likely never played a Pokémon game and are just yelling about it being horrible because they're a bunch of not-our-generation people. TTEchidnaGSDS! 21:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
well, now that i know that he was Indeed meaning that we should mention only non-fandom sources, I'll go back to my original statement of "umm... My relative, as I have said Before, IS outside of the fandom since she doesn't really play the Pokemon Games. So i figured that that should be sufficient enough for this to warrant a mention."
It's really only 4 or 5 people that aren't doing anything about it. Now, if they were setting up huge websites and getting around 50+ people supporting the cause, then it'd deserve a mention. Mumbles 20:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it's between 900 and 1000 people. I know because that's the number of people who signed my petition to bring... you-know-who back, and many of them (Probably a sixth of them) ALSO signed it because they wanted to eliminate this stereotype as well (The BMB petition also served as a anti-FAS petition). the majority of them were from high school, but 200 of them came from the AWA convention, about 80 of them were from my neighborhood, and I also got my family to sign it. I'd say that's enough evidence to upload them onto the controversy section (most of them either weren't Pokémon fans at all, or haven't been fans for a LONG time.) Weedle Mchairybug 17:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
The gambling lawsuit
Is that still taking place? Or was it thrown out of court (crosses fingers)? Any news on it? I mean, WoTC hasn't been the producer of Pokémon TCG cards for, like, five years.' --ニョロトノ666 22:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
- Logically, two things would've happened: (1) the suit would be thrown out of court for being stupid, or (2) the lawsuit would eventually be against every single collectible card game ever. They still make CCGs and we haven't heard anything on the suit in a long, long time, so I'm thinking it got thrown out of court.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
In this article it is mentioned that the Swastika is associated with Buddhism. However, it is more associated with Hinduism than it is with Buddhism. Can an admin change it?--Maria♥♪♫δ50px 07:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)