Talk:PokéGods

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Deletion

Really, how are these any different to Fake Pokémon. It says that they are a group of fake Pokémon, but not what what makes it a PokéGod rather than a regular fake Pokémon. --SnorlaxMonster. Help here 00:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

If anything, merge, not delete... CuboneKing (Planet CuboneBone Club) 00:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't really have any extra information. Maybe both tags are necessary? --SnorlaxMonster. Help here 00:23, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
My opinion: It should not be deleted. Nor should it be merged. It does, however, need to be expanded upon a whole lot. The whole PokeGod rumor deal was huge back in 1998-1999 - at the time my involvement in the fandom was basically limited to occasionally discussing the anime on message boards, and even I knew of the term. It most certainly deserves its own article, as a major part of fandom during its time. We just need someone who was more involved in the PokeGod phenomenon back then to give the article more substance. 梅子 01:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
I say no. The PokéGods stand out among Fakemon, and deserve their own article. CuboneKing (Planet CuboneBone Club) 01:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
It's fairly notable. PokéGods were fairly notable.--GreenGyaradosHappy Holidays! 01:24, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
OK, then it needs some serious expansion. I see no difference between these and regular fake Pokémon from what this article says. It tells me what were considered PokéGods, and that PokéGods were fake Pokémon, and that there were fake cheats to get them; but it doesn't tell me what a PokéGod is. --SnorlaxMonster. Help here 02:59, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


Recent Work

A lot of the recent additions may have brought the article up to higher standards, but much of it is still incorrect. Ah well, guess not every site can be fully-informative. Redstar 15:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Of course a lot of it is incorrect - PokeGods don't exist!
As for what was considered to be correct among the PokeGods phenomenon, I did extensive research on the subject, determined which were considered by the fandom to be the "leading sites on PokeGod information," checked out some other PokeGod sites also (sometimes having to make use of the Wayback Machine, of course), and took information from there. Of course there were a lot of conflicting "facts," due to the fact that PokeGods were complete made-up bullshit and anyone would just claim whatever tyhey wanted about them, but I took what seemed to be the most commonly-accepted spellings/evolutions/rumors and that's what I put on the page. (And btw, I don't quite appreciate your veiled accusation on my talkpage that I had made it all up.)
Though could you possibly point out exactly what you find to be incorrect, so that I can look into it? Specifics will help us become, you know, more informative. 梅子 18:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I didn't imply you made anything up, though your mentality that it's all "bullshit" just goes to show you probably shouldn't be writing on the subject. Redstar 18:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
bull·shit n.
  1. Foolish, deceitful, or boastful language.
  2. Something worthless, deceptive, or insincere.
  3. Insolent talk or behavior.
PokeGods are all fake. Made-up. Bullshit. That doesn't mean that I can't write about it (and even if I did absolutely detest the subject, I'd still write about it if no one else would, because I am perfectly capable of taking an objective stance in writing).
Also, my apologies for saying that you were accusing me of that; I viewed your comment on my talkpage as somewhat confrontational (asking why I was updating it... because, uh, why shouldn't I be?), so, along with your mention here that a lot of it was incorrect, I took "if anywhere other than your head" as a veiled accusation. I'm sorry for doing so in error.
On that note, would you mind pointing out exactly what is incorrect...? 梅子 18:42, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't necessarily mean to be confrontational, though discussions do have a tendency to be hard-headed.
For starters, it's incorrect because you're operating off the assumption that all of it was made-up. This actually isn't true, though I can understand why someone would think so. In any case, I do enjoy your expansion of the article and am looking forward to seeing where it's headed. Redstar 18:48, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
POKEGODS EXIST??? HOLY SHIT WHERE?? -- MAGNEDETH 18:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
...So. Exactly what is it about PokeGods that was not made-up? 梅子 18:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I've done the research. You're welcome to do the same and discover the truth. Redstar 18:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh, dear. Unfortunately, it seems that I'm not nearly as amazing at doing research as you are. Would you be so kind as to share this information with lowly little me, o superior one? 梅子 18:55, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm not trying to presume or imply anything. I just wanted to make note that the mentality of this page is rather deprecating, and against the research. I can't help in any other regard. Redstar 18:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
this is amazing. ive heard about PokeGods, but ive never actually got to see, or use one! i would love it if you could show us some of the research you have. -- MAGNEDETH 19:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Is it really so hard to just provide links to where you've found this research? --Shiay (The Morty Lover ♥) 19:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm just saying, provide sources. Redstar 19:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
hows about YOU provide sources? -- MAGNEDETH 19:04, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm not the one editing the page, and I'm not the one claiming having done research that's being used on the page. Redstar 19:08, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
You are, however, claiming to have found sources that conflict with the information used on the page. But, you provide no source information to back up your claims. It's a two-way streak, Redstar. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 19:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't "have" the source information on me. I just recall what I've read and seen back in the day. I only want to see someone provide sources if they're claiming to have done research. Redstar 19:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Redstar, with all due respect, you're not even telling us what exactly it is that you think is wrong about this article. Umeko and any other user is allowed to edit this article and add information. If you don't have sources to counter this information, it stays. Back up your claims or stop protesting against the edits. --electAbuzzzz 19:25, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

So I heard that you want sources. Here's a good source: http://www.angelfire.com/pokemon2/animerpg/rumors.html ;-) Pokemon lover 19:29, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
anyone can link any number of Angelfire, Geocities, Yahoo Groups, or assorted horrible late 90s fansites, and the conclusion is the same. POKEGODS DONT EXIST. THEY HAVE NEVER EXISTED. thats why this page is merely explaining the point of PokeGods and what they meant to us old kids back in the day. the name is still thrown around quite a lot, but it doesnt mean anything, they dont exist. its a popular fanon term on the same level as HSOWA or "if you use Strength on the truck, Mew will appear!" and so on. what Umeko is putting in the article is fine. she has discussed this article with me and other admins. PokeGods were invented by kids with computers back in the day. they dont exist. i dont want to hear any more about unverifiable claims because you cant verify something that doesnt exist. ive actually got a few "PokeGods" in my Blue version. theyre basically glitches, but we believed a lot of stuff we read on the internet back in the day, and thats what this article is about. -- MAGNEDETH 19:47, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I know they are fake. The link I posted was to a page that seems very reasonable and explains why the so-called PokéGods seem to exist, not that they exist. It's exactly the opposite. And like you said, the "real" PokéGods, if I may call them this way, are just really crazy glitches. So no Venustoise, Mewthree, Pikablu, or whatever people. Just get over it. But of course that we must talk about something that's part of the fandom's history, considering we have an article about it and are willing to take out the lies. ;-) Pokemon lover 20:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
why are you telling me to get over it? i know they dont exist. and my statement wasnt entirely aimed at you, i was basically explaining that for this article, there is no such thing as a "source" as much as there is a memory in every kids head. and as a nod to Redstar, you can "research" something that doesnt exist, but in the end youre just wasting your time. -- MAGNEDETH 20:08, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I apologize for giving the impression that I aimed that to you. :-) It was targeted to people that still believe in their existence. ;-) Other than that, I agree with you and will stop here as to not be repetitive. Pokemon lover 20:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
ok then, just try to be a little clearer when directing a comment at either one person or a group of people. -- MAGNEDETH 20:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Got it. ;-) Pokemon lover 20:55, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
So... what was it, exactly, that's wrong with the article? Or is it all hunky-dory now? 梅子 23:49, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Yoshi

Should we have an interwiki link to the Super Mario Wiki on Yoshi?--Purimpopoie 13:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Nidogod/goddess

Just a little info to adjust the page if you see fit. When I first heard about the Nidogod/goddess it was said that it was only named Nidogod and the way to get it was to somehow get Nidoking and Nidoqueen to hold hands and they would fuse together. I know its all made up non-sense but thought I'd add it since you guys all put that they were supposed evolutions when they were classed(in my area at least) as a fusion.--Lycos Ex Mortis 07:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Essentially right. There were only a very few codes for NidoGod, with at least one involving a fusion of several Pokemon (Nidoking and Nidoqueen being two of them). In fact, Nidogodess is a late addition the phenomenon, with NidoGod predating it by as much as half a year... Originally, NidoGod was said to be the evolution of both, yet this didn't sit well with people so they came up with Nidogodess to split the lines again. Slowpokeisgod 23:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Inaccuracies and incomplete information

Denryu and Kireihana were not Pokégods. They were some of the first Generation II Pokémon to be released and were posted on websites a lot, but they were never passed off as Pokégods. Maybe these should be removed from the list? It is possible that they were sometimes (although very rarely) referred to as Pokégods, seeing as there were so many rumours out there. Also I've never heard any rumours of a Lunareon or Solareon... perhaps these were Pokégods but they must have been obscure since I never came across them (unlike most of the others).

Also, the sentence "Some glitch Pokémon were also sometimes referred to as "PokéGods"" is unneeded. The glitch Pokémon that were called Pokégods have all already been included on the previous lists (174 - Pikablu, 175 - Locustod, 205 - Rainer, 209 - Psybur / Togepi, 211 - Psybird, 213 - Spooky, 224 - Raticlaw, 234 - Sandswipes, 240 - Sapusaur, 245 - Charcolt, 250 - Anthrax / Houou, 254 - Beepin, and 255 - Millenium).

Also, I know of a few well-known ones that aren't listed on the page... anyone think I should add these?:

- Bruno or Buru (a real Pokémon -- Snubbull -- dubbed as a Pokégod)
- Pokémaniac (another name for glitch Pokémon #234... perhaps due to its type)
- Tyranticus, Primator, Psyke, and Wizwar (Pokégods with no canon basis)
- Luigi (from an April Fools Day joke by Nintendo... not as well known as Yoshi but he was still pretty common)
- Dimonix (along with other variations of the name... the evolution of Onix (not derived from Steelix))
- The Unidentified Dragon (supposedly a level 100 Dragon Pokémon found in a cave in the back of the Safari Zone)

Lastly, this isn't as important, but I suggest the spelling of "PokéGod" on this page be changed to "Pokégod". Why? Simply because it was never capitalized that way in the context of the rumours (it was mostly always written as either "pokegod" or "Pokegod"). I think the capitalized one is more consistant and the accented 'e' is a nice touch... but it doesn't look right with the 'g' capitalized (consider the fact that no other terms have the letter following the 'é' capitalized... it's not "PokéDex" or "PokéGear" or "PokéMon", etc.) Dannyjenn 23:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Also, like someone said on the discussion page long ago, this article doesn't even provide the definition of "Pokégod" (differentiating it from a "fake Pokémon", other than mention of fake codes being used to obtain them). The best definition I can think of is "a Pokémon supposedly catchable in the first generation games with a Pokédex number greater than 150". This at least deserves some mention, as it is the key fact in discerning the Pokégods from all other fake Pokémon. I'll edit this article later if no one disagrees. Dannyjenn 04:42, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
From what you've said, you seem to know a lot about Pokégods. Most people weren't part of the fandom way back then, and I think everything you've brought up here should be done. Same goes with what you mentioned in the section below. As for providing a definition, I certainly agree with that. Only thing I'm concerned about is completely removing the note about glitch Pokémon being regarded as them; it doesn't need to be in the same way, but I think it should be noted. --SnorlaxMonster 07:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I did some editing. I added all the ones that I mentioned here.
I left Denryu and Kireihana on there, because (as I said before) there were so many rumours out there that it's possible that these 2 Pokémon were considered Pokégods (even though I've never run into such rumours back when the Pokégods were popular or now when looking into them again).
I added my definition of "Pokégod" and slightly re-worded the part about the glitch Pokémon.
Also I re-added the part about Doomsday being the evolution of Doomsay... someone had it commented out before but I don't see why. Dannyjenn 23:53, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I agree with many of your points. I was the one at the forefront of the above discussion to get this page as accurate as possible, so I appreciate someone such as yourself looking into the matter now. Your changes are largely good, though I can see a lot more that should be changed. For instance, several of the PokéGods listed under "PokéGods with no canon basis" do in fact have a traceable origin. Slowpokeisgod 21:43, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm curious as to which of those Pokégods you're referring to as having canon basis. Yes, their origin is "traceable", but I don't trace it to anything canon. The following were definitely not canon: Millenium, Anthrax, Ruin, Psybir, Psybird, Mysterio, and Apocalypse. Tyranticus, Primator, Doomsay, Doomsday, Psyke, and Wizwar originated from a list of Pokémon numbered 155 to 160... but I think it was all speculation / predictions of "Gold / Silver" Pokémon, so none of that would have been canon either. That leaves only 4... Tricket, Hifishi, Pokémaniac, and The Unidentified Dragon. Pokémaniac (the name) was the name of a real character, yes, but the Pokégod itself had nothing to do with the trainer of the same name. So that leaves Tricket, Hifishi, and The Unidentified Dragon. I get the feeling that the dragon may be based on the giant Dragonite from the anime, but I have no evidence that that is the case. Tricket and Hifishi were purely made up, but they could coincide with the prototype Pokémon Kage no Mushi and Bukū... although I think that that's pure coincedence. Dannyjenn 03:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Mist Stone

That rumour of how to obtain the Mist Stone is unnecessary. The Mist Stone should be mentioned as the stone that supposedly evolves certain Pokémon (some rumours saying it can evolve any Pokémon), but the rumour itself shouldn't be there (if we started listing rumours then we should list rumours for how to obtain each of the Pokégods as well... which would be extremely long (even if we just included the most well-known ones) and I don't think Bulbapedia is the place for that). Not to mention that the rumour that's currently on this page is obscure / not even the most common rumour out there... the one that I have heard of the most is "use the item finder a certain number of times (usually 100 or "on every tile") in Seafoam Islands to find it". Dannyjenn 02:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

There were many secret stones rumored with each said to evolve a specific type or even Pokémon. The Mist Stone was just one of many (intended for Pikablu) that eventually became a catch-all. The rumor you mention is indeed the most prominent. Slowpokeisgod 21:44, 22 March 2012 (UTC)