Talk:Pokémon Journeys: The Series

The series is more based on Pokémon Go and Pokémon Masters than SwSh

Just thought you aught to put the mobile games in front of the Gen 8 core game series since the new series will be promoting all of the regions than SwSh. Cynthia149 (talk) 11:23, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

You're going to need an external source to back that up. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 11:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I can already think of one, the new character Go. The description of his goals to complete his Pokedex and capture Mew. The way they will travel to all the regions in the Pokémon world (And likely meet the Gym Leaders, strong trainers, E4s and Champions in each Region) instead of just going through and showcasing Galar like the previous series. Since Ash would represent the mainline games, Go seems to represent Go, so to attract the people that play the mobile games to watch the anime. Cynthia149 (talk) 11:30, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

When I say "external source", I mean an interview from the production staff that explicitly confirms that. Having a character named Go could mean anything in the eyes of the writers. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 11:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Two-letter Abbreviation for this series

So, I'd like to have a discussion about what this site is gonna do about that. "NS" (for "New series"), "SS" (for "Shin series", but also works as "Sword & Shield"), or PM (for "Pocket Monsters") are ideas I've had. --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 23:46, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

"NS" sounds like the best option until we learn an official title for this series. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Given the episodes aren't going to air before we have a proper series title, there's no point in figuring out episcodes right now. Once there's a title, we'll work on them. If, by slim chance, the first episode does air prior to a proper title, any epicode we assign it will be temporary. If it never gets a proper title, we'll worry about that then. Kai * the Arc Toraph 01:30, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

It's not getting a "proper series title" besides just Pocket Monsters. They've said several times that they're removing the subtitle for this series.--TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 04:06, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Opening up the discussion again, why is the abbreviation SS if it's not even entirely based on Sword & Shield? Is the "shin series" thing actually how they refer to it in Japan or is it just a way to justify the double meaning of SS? I just think SS is a bit counterintuitive. --Gabo 2oo (talk) 19:14, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I'll have to agree. Plus, it doesn't even seem like we'll be getting a new series after this, judging by the format of this series. If Generation IX ever does come rolling around, they'll just implement it somehow into this series, and so on and so forth. I think "NS" is the perfect episcode for this. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:20, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Page Title

Why not name the series Pokémon (2019)? That's what most of the other forums are calling it. It's been confirmed that this is the official name for the series as the anime's Twitter page has repeated several times that this series would have the same name as the original series in 1997. - unsigned comment from Alola adventurer (talk • contribs)

We don't call the original series "Pokémon" even though that's the official title. We need some sort of title to fulfill the "series" quota, with or without the core series game titles. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:06, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Koharu as a main character

Where was it confirmed that Koharu would be a main character? None of the sources I'm reading have ever clarified on that. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:12, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Rename the title of the series

A more appropriate title would be Pocket Monsters (2019). - unsigned comment from Panky.. (talk • contribs)

We don't call the original series "Pocket Monsters" even though that's the official title. We need some sort of title to fulfill the "series" quota, with or without the core series game titles. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:27, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

But I don't get why we should follow a "quora" specifically for this occasion, when there's several arbitrary decisions around it. Pocket Monsters have the "EP" epicode instead of "RG", while for some reason Bulbapedia tries to force the Sword and Shield initials for this series all the while this series in particular is not even entirely based on said games. The "shin series" thing seems like a made-up explanation to justify another meaning for "SS", as no one in Japan calls it like that in the first place. Even the title provided in the article, 新無印編 new unnamed saga, is nowhere near as commonly used as ポケットモンスター (2019) Pocket Monsters (2019). "New series" doesn't even match the "SS" epicode either. The "new series" will stop being new at some point; in fact you could argue it's not new, it's the "current" one. Most people refer to this series as Pocket Monsters (2019), or PM, PM (2019), etc, for short. I agree that this should be renamed to "Pocket Monsters (2019)". If for some reason the first series being named "original series" is a problem, then we could rename that one to "Pocket Monsters (1997)" as well. --Gabo 2oo (talk) 16:41, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, there must be a quota, because it'd be weird if every other series has the same format for a title and then there's this: "Pokémon (2019)" or "Pocket Monsters (2019)". What do you suggest we rename the Advanced Generation, Diamond & Pearl, Best Wishes, XY, and Sun & Moon series to? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:50, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I think that there should be consistency, yes, but with moderation. If an official name exist, we should use it. "Pocket Monster (2019)" seems to be the closest we can get at the moment. Also, yeah, New series will stop being new at some point, if already hasn't, so it's a silly name we shouldn't use for that matter. --Raltseye prata med mej 00:26, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

What about the other series, though? What're are we going to do with their names? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:24, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

What about them? Why can't they be called "Xx Series"? --Raltseye prata med mej 00:18, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Because you want the original and new series to be renamed "Pokémon" and "Pokémon 2019" and the others are just going to be called Advanced Generation series, Diamond & Pearl series, and so on and so forth. It would look strange. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:11, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

I didn't say anything about the original series, but the current name for this series does not look right one bit. That was rather my point. But, how about we just skip the series part entirely? That way no-one stands out. --Raltseye prata med mej 01:39, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm way too used to the series format, so I disagree. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:44, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Honestly, you being used to something is not an argument. We should always use what's either official or the least confusing. Imo we should never have made up things like this in the first place. --Raltseye prata med mej 15:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Are we strongly against numbering the series? We could leave all of the article titles the same except for this one ("New series" becomes "Seventh series), and if we need to keep the episode article titles consistent you could say, for example, EP001 would be 1S001, AG001 would be 2S001, XY001 would be 5S001, etc., leading to SS001 becoming 7S001. Heck, how bad would it REALLY be if every other series is left alone and we only change this one to 7S###? --Neumannz (talk) 16:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Wouldn't "reboot series" make more sense? Me, Hurray! (talk) 16:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Is it really a reboot if it is still continuing the previous continuity? --Neumannz (talk) 17:42, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Not at all. --Raltseye prata med mej 23:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

We should've thought about what the titles should've been a long time ago, then. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:19, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

We are not going to rename every single episode article. That is something that is not going to happen.--ForceFire 07:41, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

I wasn't talking about individual episodes, I was talking about series titles. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:42, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

I was responding to Neumannz's suggestion.--ForceFire 08:24, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Oh, my bad. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:27, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

(resetting indent)That's fine. What about the second suggestion of just renaming the episode articles from the new season? And the suggestion of renaming this article to "Seventh series"? --Neumannz (talk) 15:01, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Force Fire just said renaming episode articles are a no-go. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:49, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

If we truly need consistency then I'm all down for renaming every series, such as "Pocket Monsters: Advanced Generation" instead of "Advanced Generation series". But my personal take is that under no circumstances this one should be titled "new series" and that takes priority. I'm also against using the "SS" epicode (we might as well use the "RS" epicode instead of "AG" by that logic), but I guess there's no possibility for that to change. "PM" is also risky if the next series will retain the exact same title anyways. --Gabo 2oo (talk) 03:36, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

The issue with changing the epicodes, is, as I understand it, having to change the many hundreds of them scattered everywhere. So 'SS' may still be able to be changed now, but by the time it ends and has 100+ episodes, it'll be too late, most likely.

'Shin series' isn't a specific term exclusive to this year, in case it wasn't clear — for example here's a 2010 Japanese news report about Pokémon having its 'first Shin Series in 4 years', Best Wishes.

While it's something Pokémon hasn't had as an issue before, other series like Doraemon which have had reboots tend to be called Doraemon (1973), Doraemon (1979), Doraemon (2005) for disambiguation. So 'year-in-brackets' is pretty much the standard on other sites. It seems like GrammarFreak01 is the only one exacting a series quota against this? Though, "Pocket Monsters (2019)" certainly doesn't fit with "Original series".

It's certainly not imaginitive, how about "The 2019 TV series", with codes 19001, 19002, etc, or possibly 2019001, 2019002, etc? While they are just numbers, they'd be high enough they shouldn't cause any overlap, and would resolve any future overlap issues for a minimum of 100 years.

And of course, there's already a manga by Machito Gomi based on the new series that will eventually need a page title figured out too, if the situation wasn't messy enough. Bluesun (talk) 10:16, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

I like where we're at right now. I have my doubts there'll be another series after this, anyway. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:15, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

How come? --Raltseye prata med mej 22:43, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

With the way this series is structured (Ash and Go traveling to a different region per episode), they can just easily introduce the next generation's region within this series, and so on and so forth. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:39, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

I would not trust that this series would go on indefinitely. Even if the structure is different from previous ones and has a lot more flexibilty, the odds of the show choosing to use the same formula for the rest of its days seem pretty small, and there does not seem to be a reason for us to take the chance if we don't have to. --Neumannz (talk) 15:42, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Just throwing my hat in the ring, but while "new series" is a fitting name for the moment, the series will eventually end at one point, so it's not the most suitable name long-term (and even if we were to assume that this will go on indefinitely, it still won't be considered new anymore in a few years, will it?). The Epicode also doesn't suit the series, since this barely features any elements form Sword & Shield, so why would the SS code be used? I'd say "2019 series" would be a more appropriate title for this series. It would still be in line with Bulbapedia's naming convention and would allow for the use of a more fitting Epicode (like TN (from twenty nineteen), for example), instead of using one that barely has anything to do with the series proper. Pulsaro23 (talk) 15:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

"2019 series" actually sounds like a good idea at the moment. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:13, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

(resetting indent)I'd vote for that or else my below suggestion of @Go series@ as in to go somewhere, since a whole lot of the series (judging by me reading bulbapedia articles of the episodes) involves Ash and the male companion visiting different regions. This also gives us a good epicode prefix of go this way we're not using Sword and Shield's innitials for epicodes. As for the male character's name go, I don't think that will stick in the dub so calling it @Go series' wouldn't be naming it after this character, rather it would be naming it after the fact that Ash and the male companion go to all of the various regions. Follow my logic? I'd also be fore the names @World series@ with ws epicode prefix or else @Pokemon World series@ with PM as the epicode prefix, in order to follow the theme of visiting many regions. African Vulture (talk) 07:29, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

I would rather not move the page until the dub is announced. Hopefully the dub will provide it with some kind of name, given that they've recently gone back and given names to all of the previous series (despite them not originally having names in the dub). --SnorlaxMonster 09:58, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

The dub has been given the title of Pokémon Journeys: The Series. With this, we should now be looking at changing the name of the series because it's definitely no longer New (plus the prefix for episodes could be altered to PJ instead of SS).Watchermark (talk) 14:00, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

series and epicode name question

Hello What exactly does SS stand fore since the series is not at all based on Sword and Shield save for a couple eps to date? And what's going to be new about it in let's say a year's time?

Why not call it the Pokemon World series and have the episodes renamed form ss001 to PM or PW001. Pokemon World series comes from the fact that post Sun and Moon league win, Ash is exploring the Pokemon World. I'm thinking if you were to rename this series to something related to the Pokemon world it would be a better reflection of what is going on rather than just "New" series, a term that is going to be out of date real fast. As for epicodes, what is SS anyway, given that it has little to do with just Sword and Shield? If you do rename it, do it soon while there are only 9 or 10 eps, rather than waiting eons then complaining about renaming 144 episodes or something like that. African Vulture (talk) 15:50, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Another good name is Go Series. Not go like in the character as I highly doubt his name will remain Go when he gets dubbed, as "Go" is a word in English not a name, but go as in to go somewhere. snd have the epicodes be go I.E. go001, go002

African Vulture (talk) 16:00, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

I suppose SS means Shin Series. Shin means New in Japanese. Nintenchris5963 (talk) 14:21, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

We're not baptizing this series. We need a title for the article and epicodes that accurately portray the official title (which is just "Pocket Monsters"), not inventing new things like "Go series" or "World series". --Gabo 2oo (talk) 17:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. Let's see what the English dub calls it first before we make any decisions. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:43, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Bumping discussion. Now that we know the English-dubbed title, does this change anything? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)