Talk:Meyer
Merge with Blaziken Mask
This character appeared in only a couple of episodes in each persona before being revealed as the same character (and only 10 episodes into what's likely to be a 150-to-200ish episode series, at that). In the grand scheme of things, this isn't (at least to my eyes) the type of plot-critical information that the soft redirect template is meant for. The stakes of Blaziken Mask's identity are nowhere near that of, say, Masked Man, Mayor Es Cade or even Guile Hideout. (And for that matter, even if they are to be kept as separate articles, the one without the soft redirect needs to have all the information, perhaps with a spoiler warning template. If both articles only mention what he does in that specific persona, the fact that the two characters are the same doesn't exist on the wiki except by the implication of the soft redirect, leaving us with a big hole in our coverage.) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:43, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
- I totally agree. To be honest, I don't think any of the soft redirects are really needed. We have the spoilers template for a reason and most of the soft redirects are common knowledge anyway. But that's another argument. Limone has only appeared what...three or four times so far and there is no sign that he will appear anytime soon or being heavily involved? I don't think this is necessary. --HoennMaster 07:52, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
- I've seen the first nine episodes, most importantly Clemont's Got a Secret!, and watched the English-translated version of Mega-Mega Meowth Madness. At the end of the episode, Blaziken Mask is seen saying, according to the dub, "Citron [Clemont]...Eureka [I presume Bonnie]...traveling with Satoshi-kun [Ash] and Serena-chan [Serena] shall teach you that a Trainer not only needs strength, but also the bond that the Pokémon have shown you." Further, to me, the face looks remarkably like that of their father, Meyer. Add to this that Blaziken Mask is not seen in XY009 anywhere (CORRECTION IN REPLY). I have not watched the translations from XY011 onwards (which are on Youtube and don't seem to get pulled down in the same way as the English ones routinely disappear), but based on what I'm seeing, I'm inclined to say that Meyer and Blaziken Mask are the same person. Do we have enough information (up to what has been shown in Japan) to confirm they are the same, or does something later disprove that possibility? It seems Blaziken Mask knows Meyer's children by name, but I concede they could simply be acquaintances, and Meyer seems not to know that the two were out of the city at first. Blaziken Mask also only appears in Lumiose City from what I've seen.
- If it's now considered fact that the two are one and the same, then we need to link the two after the episode airs in North America next weekend. CycloneGU (talk) 01:21, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
- What about we have a spoiler page, something like NOTE: "This page has a massive spoiler as to this character's identity., enter at your own risk: (Name of hid version of character, E.G. Blaziken Mask instead of Meyer, which will then also redirect." or similar. Then we have a warning but (as you cannot currently access Meyer from Blaziken Mask, which is silly) we can still have one page for the both of the identites. This is Mkbw50 signing off 21:23, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- I agree with the first post here in that it would be a good idea to merge the two pages. They are the same person, and while Blaziken Mask as a character has had a significant role, the identity of Blaziken Mask has not. Never was the identity used as a critical plot point, unlike indeed, Masked Man or Mayor Es Cade. Nonetheless, maybe we should have a sub-section of Blaziken Mask on Meyer's page, or at least a major spoiler tag as it still classifies as a spoiler. But in short in my opinion the hidden identity plot point has not been significant enough for Blaziken Mask to get a separate page, so I support a merge. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 21:37, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
