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==Animation teams==
I see both, Team Wasaki and Team OTA mentioned in the ending. Wouldn't this mean that both have to named in the info box? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 02:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I see both, Team Wasaki and Team OTA mentioned in the ending. Wouldn't this mean that both have to named in the info box? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 02:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


== Giovanni and Ash ==
==Giovanni and Ash==
 
Isn't this the only time our main protagonist and main (er, kinda...) antagonist even encounter each other, no matter how briefly? <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 07:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Isn't this the only time our main protagonist and main (er, kinda...) antagonist even encounter each other, no matter how briefly? <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span>{{ani|155|Fire echy}}<span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 07:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 
:Probably...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc><sup><span style=" color:navy">[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</span></sup>Hi''' 07:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Probably...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc><sup><span style=" color:navy">[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</span></sup>Hi''' 07:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::If Ash being hidden from Giovanni's viewpoint by Onix can be classified as an encounter... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 22:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::If Ash being hidden from Giovanni's viewpoint by Onix can be classified as an encounter... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 22:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Nope, he was definitely seen by Giovanni beforehand (He was seen talking to them about how Mewtwo belongs to him, Misty and Brock yell that he doesn't and they won't allow him to harm Mewtwo any longer, and THEN they unleash their pokemon on Giovanni), and even IF he wasn't exactly seen them beforehand, Giovanni was tipped off on who the kids were by [[Domino]] (In the Japanese version, at least, though don't take my word for it.).
:::Nope, he was definitely seen by Giovanni beforehand (He was seen talking to them about how Mewtwo belongs to him, Misty and Brock yell that he doesn't and they won't allow him to harm Mewtwo any longer, and THEN they unleash their pokemon on Giovanni), and even IF he wasn't exactly seen them beforehand, Giovanni was tipped off on who the kids were by [[Domino]] (In the Japanese version, at least, though don't take my word for it.).


== Japanese title ==
==Japanese title==
 
I do not know the Japanese title but, knowing Japanese, 我ハココニ在り should probably be 我はここに在り. I'm guessing the use of 我 instead of 俺, 僕, or 私 and 在り instead of あり is a statement about Mewtwo's character but I think the first thing I pointed out was a typing error. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 19:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I do not know the Japanese title but, knowing Japanese, 我ハココニ在り should probably be 我はここに在り. I'm guessing the use of 我 instead of 俺, 僕, or 私 and 在り instead of あり is a statement about Mewtwo's character but I think the first thing I pointed out was a typing error. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 19:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
:[http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC-%E3%83%9F%E3%83%A5%E3%82%A6%E3%83%84%E3%83%BC%EF%BC%81%E6%88%91%E3%83%8F%E3%82%B3%E3%82%B3%E3%83%8B%E5%9C%A8%E3%83%AA-%E6%9D%BE%E6%9C%AC%E6%A2%A8%E9%A6%99/dp/B00005L9DV It's completely correct]. And using katakana instead of hiragana like that isn't incorrect--just old-fashioned.--[[User:Urutapu|Loveはドコ?]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
:[http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC-%E3%83%9F%E3%83%A5%E3%82%A6%E3%83%84%E3%83%BC%EF%BC%81%E6%88%91%E3%83%8F%E3%82%B3%E3%82%B3%E3%83%8B%E5%9C%A8%E3%83%AA-%E6%9D%BE%E6%9C%AC%E6%A2%A8%E9%A6%99/dp/B00005L9DV It's completely correct]. And using katakana instead of hiragana like that isn't incorrect--just old-fashioned.--[[User:Urutapu|Loveはドコ?]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


== Luka Carson ==
==Luka Carson==
 
Is Luka the bus driver? (No, Luka =/= Luna; ANN confirms two different VAs for both.) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Is Luka the bus driver? (No, Luka =/= Luna; ANN confirms two different VAs for both.) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


== Major Events ==
==Major Events==
 
in the dub, at the end when Mewtwo decides to let ash and co. remember their encounter Ash says "and this time we'll both remember meeting each other" or something to that point so that could mean that they were told about what happened in Mewtwo Strikes Back. At least in the dub --[[User:Dion24|D i]] [[User talk:Dion24|o n]] [[Special:Contributions/Dion24|2 4]] 01:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
in the dub, at the end when Mewtwo decides to let ash and co. remember their encounter Ash says "and this time we'll both remember meeting each other" or something to that point so that could mean that they were told about what happened in Mewtwo Strikes Back. At least in the dub --[[User:Dion24|D i]] [[User talk:Dion24|o n]] [[Special:Contributions/Dion24|2 4]] 01:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


==New Error?==
==New Error?==
Hey,When I was watching this movie I noticed that when team rocket is in the ballon(at the begginging of the movie) And james is holding ash's pikachu,Pikachu is supposed to be wraped in that wire thingy but its not there in that scene....
Hey,When I was watching this movie I noticed that when team rocket is in the ballon(at the begginging of the movie) And james is holding ash's pikachu,Pikachu is supposed to be wraped in that wire thingy but its not there in that scene.... {{unsigned|Bluepika!!!}}
:Um...proof??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">512</span>]]''' 03:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:Um...proof??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">512</span>]]''' 03:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
::Watch the beginning.I saw it last Saturday,and it only took like 5 minute's Check it out is it an error?[[User:Bluepika!!!|Bluepika!!!]] 01:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I reviewed the entire scene, from when James wrapped Pikachu in the cable to when the balloon crashed into the island.  In any shot when you could see below Pikachu's chin, you can see the cable, including when James has Pikachu tucked under his shoulder (you can see it in the crook of James' arm). [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 02:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


Watch the beginning.I saw it last Saturday,and it only took like 5 minute's Check it out is it an error?[[User:Bluepika!!!|Bluepika!!!]] 01:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
==This Synopsis is Incomplete==
 
I reviewed the entire scene, from when James wrapped Pikachu in the cable to when the balloon crashed into the island.  In any shot when you could see below Pikachu's chin, you can see the cable, including when James has Pikachu tucked under his shoulder (you can see it in the crook of James' arm). [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 02:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== This Synopsis is Incomplete==
There's a notice saying that the plot synopsis is incomplete... but it looks pretty good to me. Can I remove the notice? [[User:Zesty Cactus|Zesty Cactus]] 21:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
There's a notice saying that the plot synopsis is incomplete... but it looks pretty good to me. Can I remove the notice? [[User:Zesty Cactus|Zesty Cactus]] 21:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


== Error ==
==Error==
 
Is a baby nidoqueen an error? surely it would return to nidoran? or is this just clone physics?--[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 19:58, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Is a baby nidoqueen an error? surely it would return to nidoran? or is this just clone physics?--[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 19:58, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


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I don't think the coloring of the machines is an error (when Mewtwo destroys them. When Mewtwo turns red, using all it's power to destroy them, around 49min of the episode, it is shown that both of the machines turn into darker red. [[User:Sliver|Sliver]] 15:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the coloring of the machines is an error (when Mewtwo destroys them. When Mewtwo turns red, using all it's power to destroy them, around 49min of the episode, it is shown that both of the machines turn into darker red. [[User:Sliver|Sliver]] 15:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


== Giovanni referencing Mewtwo's gender? ==
==Giovanni referencing Mewtwo's gender?==
When Mewtwo steps into the forcefield that Giovanni's machines create, I swear he says "Good boy." Is this what he's saying, or am I hearing things? [[User:Scorponis|Scorponis]] 04:30, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
When Mewtwo steps into the forcefield that Giovanni's machines create, I swear he says "Good boy." Is this what he's saying, or am I hearing things? [[User:Scorponis|Scorponis]] 04:30, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Does he also say that in the original Japanese version, or just in the dub? <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 07:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Does he also say that in the original Japanese version, or just in the dub? <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 07:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


== Wild Pokemon List ==
==Wild Pokemon List==
 
This needs a wild Pokemon list. Other anime locations have them too. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 16:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
This needs a wild Pokemon list. Other anime locations have them too. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 16:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:Ignore this: I need to move it to New Island's talk page. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 16:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:Ignore this: I need to move it to New Island's talk page. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 16:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
==Ledian Debut==
Ledian didn't debut in this special. It first appeared in [[EP172]]: ''Mountain Time''. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 03:19, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
==Few questions==
Hi guys, I have few questions to ask:
*The American dub wa released as a direct-to-video, but was it ever shown on tv?
*Many European countries dubbed the special, did they show it as a tv special or as an home video movie?
* Did some European country also translate "The Uncut Story of Mewtwo's Origin", besides the first two minutes that were attached to the beginning of the first movie?
*In the American dub, they left the Pokémon with their original voices in the scene where Mewtwo walks into the light, as we hear Blastoise saying "Kame", from Kamekkusu.
*Sometimes we see 5 Team Rocket airshhips and sometimes we see 6 of them, is this a mistake?
--[[User:Abcd|Abcd]] ([[User talk:Abcd|talk]]) 21:17, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
*Looks like I'll be watching this again tonight...
**The American dub was direct-to-video and near as I can tell, was never shown on TV. I may be mistaken, as it may have seen a TV showing later, but I do not have a TV and thus cannot watch it to be certain.
**I cannot say for the European releases.  I'll ask around, however, see if I can dig anything up.
**I'll need to watch it again to be certain, which I shall do tonight.
**Again, I'll need to watch it again, but it's likely a continuity error.
[[User:Trak Nar|Trak Nar]] ([[User talk:Trak Nar|talk]]) 22:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
*Alright, have the DVD in right now, and I counted five blimps for the majority of the scenes in which they appear. There were only one or two distance shots in which there were six blimps. As it was established that there were five, then the sixth blimp is in error.
*Blastoise is indeed saying ''Kaaaaa-meeee!'' in the sequence where Mewtwo surrenders to Giovanni. [[User:Trak Nar|Trak Nar]] ([[User talk:Trak Nar|talk]]) 02:55, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
==Red/blue machines==
Forgot to explain why in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Mewtwo_Returns&diff=2168131&oldid=2167831 this edit], but I removed the error about those machines because the blue one is shown changing color when Mewtwo tries to destroy it. Don't know why it does that and stays red, but the change was intentional. —<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="#fff">The</font>]]Very[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">Best</font>]]</span></font> 05:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
== Release dates ==
What are the correct release dates?
*The Japanese version aired on December 30, 2000, and this seems an undisputed fact.
*The Japanese home video release is listed on the English Wikipedia as March 21, 2001 for both the VHS and DVD, but this article doesn't have a date for home video releases; from what I understand, it seems the Japanese Wikipedia mentions the date of the DVD release as August 29, 2001.
*According to the article [[Weekly Pokémon Broadcasting Station]], it was also shown on TV Tokyo, divided in three parts, on October 29, November 6 and November 12, 2002.
*Australian VHS/DVD release: the article [[The Uncut Story of Mewtwo's Origin]] says the date is August 17, 2001, and the English Wikipedia confirms this.
*The biggest problem: the date of the American VHS/DVD: this article says December 5, 2001 and the date is confirmed by Dogasu's Website; on the other hand the article [[The Uncut Story of Mewtwo's Origin]], the English Wikipedia and the Japanese Wikipedia all say the date is December 4, 2001.
*The English Wikipedia reports a UK release date:February 11, 2002.
--[[User:Abcd|Abcd]] ([[User talk:Abcd|talk]]) 17:37, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
:A few notes that might help:
:The UK release was VHS-only, which tend to be ignored here it seems. If it helps, I believe it was only released as a double-pack with VHS volume 11, so their release dates should match.
:The JP home video release was on 27 June 2001 for rental VHS, 29 August 2001 for retail VHS, and 7 July 2001 for retail DVD according to pokepale, a fansite that has been running since 1999.
:It's also been shown divided into two parts during the BW era on Pokémon Smash! in 2011 [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] ([[User talk:Bluesun|talk]]) 05:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 02:58, 14 November 2015

Animation teams

I see both, Team Wasaki and Team OTA mentioned in the ending. Wouldn't this mean that both have to named in the info box? --nYoo 02:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Giovanni and Ash

Isn't this the only time our main protagonist and main (er, kinda...) antagonist even encounter each other, no matter how briefly? TTEchidnaGSDS! 07:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Probably...Optimatum♏Talk|Hi 07:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
If Ash being hidden from Giovanni's viewpoint by Onix can be classified as an encounter... --FabuVinny T-C-S 22:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Nope, he was definitely seen by Giovanni beforehand (He was seen talking to them about how Mewtwo belongs to him, Misty and Brock yell that he doesn't and they won't allow him to harm Mewtwo any longer, and THEN they unleash their pokemon on Giovanni), and even IF he wasn't exactly seen them beforehand, Giovanni was tipped off on who the kids were by Domino (In the Japanese version, at least, though don't take my word for it.).

Japanese title

I do not know the Japanese title but, knowing Japanese, 我ハココニ在り should probably be 我はここに在り. I'm guessing the use of 我 instead of 俺, 僕, or 私 and 在り instead of あり is a statement about Mewtwo's character but I think the first thing I pointed out was a typing error. Kanjo 19:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It's completely correct. And using katakana instead of hiragana like that isn't incorrect--just old-fashioned.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 02:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Luka Carson

Is Luka the bus driver? (No, Luka =/= Luna; ANN confirms two different VAs for both.) Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 17:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Major Events

in the dub, at the end when Mewtwo decides to let ash and co. remember their encounter Ash says "and this time we'll both remember meeting each other" or something to that point so that could mean that they were told about what happened in Mewtwo Strikes Back. At least in the dub --D i o n 2 4 01:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

New Error?

Hey,When I was watching this movie I noticed that when team rocket is in the ballon(at the begginging of the movie) And james is holding ash's pikachu,Pikachu is supposed to be wraped in that wire thingy but its not there in that scene.... - unsigned comment from Bluepika!!! (talkcontribs)

Um...proof??? --Theryguy512 03:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Watch the beginning.I saw it last Saturday,and it only took like 5 minute's Check it out is it an error?Bluepika!!! 01:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I reviewed the entire scene, from when James wrapped Pikachu in the cable to when the balloon crashed into the island. In any shot when you could see below Pikachu's chin, you can see the cable, including when James has Pikachu tucked under his shoulder (you can see it in the crook of James' arm). Legionaireb 02:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

This Synopsis is Incomplete

There's a notice saying that the plot synopsis is incomplete... but it looks pretty good to me. Can I remove the notice? Zesty Cactus 21:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Error

Is a baby nidoqueen an error? surely it would return to nidoran? or is this just clone physics?--Ben7229 19:58, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Not an Error

I don't think the coloring of the machines is an error (when Mewtwo destroys them. When Mewtwo turns red, using all it's power to destroy them, around 49min of the episode, it is shown that both of the machines turn into darker red. Sliver 15:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Giovanni referencing Mewtwo's gender?

When Mewtwo steps into the forcefield that Giovanni's machines create, I swear he says "Good boy." Is this what he's saying, or am I hearing things? Scorponis 04:30, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Does he also say that in the original Japanese version, or just in the dub? XVuvuzela2010X 07:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Wild Pokemon List

This needs a wild Pokemon list. Other anime locations have them too. Jdrawer 16:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Ignore this: I need to move it to New Island's talk page. Jdrawer 16:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Ledian Debut

Ledian didn't debut in this special. It first appeared in EP172: Mountain Time. PkmnChmp5 03:19, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Few questions

Hi guys, I have few questions to ask:

  • The American dub wa released as a direct-to-video, but was it ever shown on tv?
  • Many European countries dubbed the special, did they show it as a tv special or as an home video movie?
  • Did some European country also translate "The Uncut Story of Mewtwo's Origin", besides the first two minutes that were attached to the beginning of the first movie?
  • In the American dub, they left the Pokémon with their original voices in the scene where Mewtwo walks into the light, as we hear Blastoise saying "Kame", from Kamekkusu.
  • Sometimes we see 5 Team Rocket airshhips and sometimes we see 6 of them, is this a mistake?

--Abcd (talk) 21:17, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Looks like I'll be watching this again tonight...
    • The American dub was direct-to-video and near as I can tell, was never shown on TV. I may be mistaken, as it may have seen a TV showing later, but I do not have a TV and thus cannot watch it to be certain.
    • I cannot say for the European releases. I'll ask around, however, see if I can dig anything up.
    • I'll need to watch it again to be certain, which I shall do tonight.
    • Again, I'll need to watch it again, but it's likely a continuity error.

Trak Nar (talk) 22:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Alright, have the DVD in right now, and I counted five blimps for the majority of the scenes in which they appear. There were only one or two distance shots in which there were six blimps. As it was established that there were five, then the sixth blimp is in error.
  • Blastoise is indeed saying Kaaaaa-meeee! in the sequence where Mewtwo surrenders to Giovanni. Trak Nar (talk) 02:55, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Red/blue machines

Forgot to explain why in this edit, but I removed the error about those machines because the blue one is shown changing color when Mewtwo tries to destroy it. Don't know why it does that and stays red, but the change was intentional. —TheVeryBest 05:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Release dates

What are the correct release dates?

  • The Japanese version aired on December 30, 2000, and this seems an undisputed fact.
  • The Japanese home video release is listed on the English Wikipedia as March 21, 2001 for both the VHS and DVD, but this article doesn't have a date for home video releases; from what I understand, it seems the Japanese Wikipedia mentions the date of the DVD release as August 29, 2001.
  • According to the article Weekly Pokémon Broadcasting Station, it was also shown on TV Tokyo, divided in three parts, on October 29, November 6 and November 12, 2002.
  • Australian VHS/DVD release: the article The Uncut Story of Mewtwo's Origin says the date is August 17, 2001, and the English Wikipedia confirms this.
  • The biggest problem: the date of the American VHS/DVD: this article says December 5, 2001 and the date is confirmed by Dogasu's Website; on the other hand the article The Uncut Story of Mewtwo's Origin, the English Wikipedia and the Japanese Wikipedia all say the date is December 4, 2001.
  • The English Wikipedia reports a UK release date:February 11, 2002.

--Abcd (talk) 17:37, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

A few notes that might help:
The UK release was VHS-only, which tend to be ignored here it seems. If it helps, I believe it was only released as a double-pack with VHS volume 11, so their release dates should match.
The JP home video release was on 27 June 2001 for rental VHS, 29 August 2001 for retail VHS, and 7 July 2001 for retail DVD according to pokepale, a fansite that has been running since 1999.
It's also been shown divided into two parts during the BW era on Pokémon Smash! in 2011 Bluesun (talk) 05:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)