Talk:List of cross-generational evolution families

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Sprites to official art?

Considering the switch from sprites to art in the evolution sections, should we use the art instead of sprites on this page as well? - 050294 (talk) 03:59, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

I think we should, for consistency's sake. - unsigned comment from WyndFox (talkcontribs)
Staff approved. I'm editing it now.--ForceFire 06:43, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Porygon Trivia

Sorry the wording might be a bit poor, but I definitely think it is note-worthy since no other Pokemon has ever had an evolution introduced that could evolve yet again in another generation. It might even be prudent to add this trivia to Porygon's page, but I'll see how it fairs here first. Swiftgallade46 (talk) 02:31, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Mega evolutions? + request

First post here. I feel like it's necessary that this page include mega-evolutions as well. Could someone (anyone), with more editing creds include the mega evolutions, like the Charizardites?

I've tried editing pages before, but usually mess up, and someone has to fix it for me, or they just erase my changes. - unsigned comment from Camelsnake (talkcontribs)

Bulbapedia does not consider Mega Evolutions to be the same thing as evolutions. The word "evolution" in their name is the only thing they have in common; they are totally different both in game function and in flavor text/lore. Mega Evolved Pokémon do not belong on this page. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:16, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Galar Evolutions

Its been about a few weeks since Sword and Shield came out, and was wondering if we could get this page edited to have the generation 8 pokemon that got evolutions via Galar forms - unsigned comment from Burgorton (talkcontribs)

It's already been updated. Only the ones that go from regular to regional forms should count, as they go from Gen I (or IV in Mime Jr.'s case) design to Gen VIII design, rather than Gen VIII to Gen VIII.--ForceFire 04:46, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
I think all regional forms should be included in this list even if we need to move the page to something like List of cross-generational evolution families. IMO, the Rattata family received new members in Generation VII just as much as the Exeggcute family did.--MisterE13 01:27, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
I don't think we should count Alolan forms and Galarian forms as new Pokémon. They have the same numbers as their original forms. Alolan Exeggutor is still a Kantonian Pokémon as far as the National Dex is concerned. And this page treating Galarian forms as Gen VIII Pokémon meant it excludes Obstagoon and Sirfetch'd, which were two advertised cross-generation evolutions for Sword and Shield. And besides, the methods of evolving these Pokémon into their Alolan and Galarian forms are the same methods as normal. Pikachu evolves into both kinds of Raichu with a Thunderstone. It just has to be in Alola to be the Psychic-type. Exeggcute evolves into Exeggutor with a Leaf Stone anywhere. It just gets a longer neck in Alola. Alolan Marowak has an extra requirement to be nighttime but I don't think that qualifies as a crossgen evolution. Weezing gets a new form in Galar, but Koffing evolves into it at level 35 the same as the Kantonian Weezing. These regional variants do not belong on this page unless they are the forms required to evolve into Obstagoon, Sirfetch'd, Mr. Rime and Cursola. SeanWheeler (talk) 04:40, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

The only problem with this is that Alolan Formes are still recognized as simply forms of the original pokemon, despite certain things such as different ways of evolution. Let's Go proves this by having all Alolan forms return since they are kanto pokemon. Galar Evolutions also do not have their own page, and it would be excessive not to put them on this page. - unsigned comment from Burgorton (talkcontribs)

(resetting indent)Yeah, we should just treat the Galar forms and Alolan forms as the original Pokémon. The black and white Zigzagoon that evolves into Obstagoon in Galar is still a Gen III Hoenn Pokémon in a new form. Obstagoon is a Gen VIII Galar Pokémon. That's a cross generational evolution. SeanWheeler (talk) 04:44, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Mr. Rime

Sure it evolves from a Galar Pokémon, but it still is a part of a crossgenerational family. That's like saying we should remove Oddish from this article because it evolves into a Kanto Pokémon. Mr. Daikon (talk) 05:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Regional Forms

Should other Regional Forms be added to this page? Meowth's Alolan form is on this page and it doesn't evolve into a different Pokémon. Shouldn't we do that for the others? Ratboy Jr. (talk) 19:39, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree with you, this article is about cross-generation species, if Alolan Exeggutor fits the criteria, the same should apply for all the Regional forms. TossedDwarf5019 (talk) 20:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Actually the whole Meowth family is on this page because of Perrserker whick is a individual species. Anyway Alolan Exeggutor, Alolan Marowak and Galarian Weezing aren't individual species and still are on the page. TossedDwarf5019 (talk) 20:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
I want the Alolan forms off this page. The only regional forms that are relevant are the Galarian forms that evolve into new Pokémon. SeanWheeler (talk) 04:48, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
That will not happen--KnightGalarie (talk) 05:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Then we should probably add the other regional forms, too.--Ratboy Jr. (talk) 17:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
The intent of this page is pretty clearly, some A evolves into some B, and there was a point when A and B were not both available together...
Look at the intro. "For example, Pichu (a Generation II Pokémon) evolves into Pikachu (a Generation I Pokémon)." You cannot say the same thing about most regional forms.
IMO, it's silly to include all regional forms here. This page was useful (and can still be useful) because it collects a thing which isn't collected anywhere else. But it's silly to include basically the entire contents of one page on another. At best...I would say it might be okay to work a "main" link in somewhere if people really think regionals are that "important". Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Then we should remove Alolan Meowth and Persian from this page because they aren't the regional forms we're worried about.--Ratboy Jr. (talk) 18:19, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Well... Maybe not by an evolutionary line, but regional forms are connected through breeding.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 18:27, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Good point, depending on the region you breed it in (assuming it's not holding and everstone) You can get a different form of it. So... nothing on this page will change?--Ratboy Jr. (talk) 18:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with the Meowth line, because of Perrserker, which is a from a different generation than the other members of its line. The only errors are Alolan Exeggutor, Alolan Marowak and Galarian Weezing, because no new Pokémon õf their lines were introduced in other generation. TossedDwarf5019 (talk) 18:59, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Not errors--KnightGalarie (talk) 19:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Exeggutor belongs. Like Pikachu, "Exeggcute (a Generation I Pokemon) evolves into Alolan Exeggutor (a Generation VII Pokemon)". You could not evolve it like that prior to Generation VII. That is new. That belongs on this page.

Meowth does not belong. You cannot say, like you can with Pikachu, "Galarian Meowth (a Generation VIII Pokemon) evolves into Perrserker (a Generation VIII Pokemon)..." Now, as it happens, I understand your position that a pre-existing species (Meowth) got an evolution that is a brand new species. And IMO that sort of situation could perhaps have its own section. But those cases are definitely not the same as what this page started as. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I mistook some intervening edits for old comments and skipped them...
I still stand by my point that pulling in an entire group that's defined on its own page is overkill; a main link is the most that's really needed. And a section that's like Meowth's currently is looks soooo different than all the others; it's like, "Those are parallel...but they're not the same as any of the rest". It's just blatant.
The Egg situation is weak. Like I said, this is something that could best be explained near a main link, rather than adding every single one of them here. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Depends on the purpose of this page. For example, we know that Eevee can evolve into Leafeon, but this is only since generation IV what we can clearly see here, and compare it to other cases. Being able to produce a new form seems as much important as being able to evolve into new form/Pokemon, but adding this would require changing the name of the page.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 20:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
And if we did, we'd still have the contents of one page all on another. As I said: that's just silly, a main link and a little text is plenty. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)