Talk:Leaf (game)

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So who made up that name? --nYoo 17:22, 2 February 2006 (CST)

I want to know that too. Following the trend that the 1st and 2nd gen games set, her name should be Green, or Blue in the Japanese version. I'm guessing someone just chose one of the optional names from FRLG and gave it to her when they made the article. There's no real basis for her name being "Leaf", so shouldn't we go by precedence, as was done with Gold, Silver and Kris, and just call her Green?. -Shaddow Boy
For an English Language Version, Green is accurate, however Green (game) already directs to Blue, does it not?--PikamasterADV 00:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Internal game data. There is a trainer, presumably used for debugging, with the sprite of the male player, and another trainer with the sprite of the female player. The male one is named Red, but the female is named Leaf for some strange reason. - 振霖T 09:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
English version or Japanese? --WikidSmaht 08:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Both. --Maxim 10:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
This isn't really a good habit to get into. If we start taking unused data as official canon, then Professor Oak started with Squirtle, the Safari Zone had no Pokemon in it 3 years after Red and Blue, and that the Lake of Rage is still a town. It just doesn't make sense. Fire Red and Leaf Green have officially fixed Green's (male rival's), name to that of the original, leaving lone Blue, the third version gal, without a truly official name. While logic would suggest we should call her Blue due to the Manga as well as Blue being the color generation's third game, we are stuck basing her name on what can only be called speculation. Unused Data =/= Fact. Fishman 15:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Er, no. When it comes to the games' canon, internal game data > manga name. Otherwise we should be calling Brendan "Ruby" and May "Sapphire".
And no offense, but your analogies are the ones that don't make sense to me. The prototypical Safari Zone in GSC doens't have wild Pokémon because the wild encounters data was never written, not because it was originally meant to not have Pokémon. And the finished versions of the games retconned Profesor Oak into not being a fight-able trainer, and the Lake of Rage into being just a lake are, not a town. But neither the finished games not Nintendo officially revealed a name for the FR/LG female protagonist, so if her name during the development stages was Leaf (which in-game data seems to prove it was), then it should still be, since there isn't evidence to make us believe that it was retconned into another name. Spideym 00:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Well we can't call her Blue, because Blue (game) is the rival. Zurqoxn 01:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

If only GSDS would become reality, we'd know for sure, since then we'd have to find out what happened to her as well as Red. TTEchidna 09:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
We don't need another sequel. Besides her name, the answers are right here in front of us. The Blue (game) has officially been renamed as Green. All we have to do with the old article is point out that his English name used to be Blue, and was later changed back into Green. Fishman 01:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
No, it has not been officially renamed. The rival's first default name for the Red version does not qualify as the character's official name. For all we know, his name could still be "Blue," just because it's not a default name doesn't mean it's been officially changed. Taking evidence from all the games supports that the rival is Blue and the girl is unnamed (leaving us with Green), but the idea that Blue has become Green is just fan speculation. I also agree that we can't go taking in-game data as official, and believe the name of the girl should be Green until Nintendo proves otherwise.--Mezase Master
No to you, Mezase Master. First of all, you'll give the reason to most of us when we claim that Blue, this is, Japanese Green, is now Green outside of Japan as well since FRLG. Why do I say this? Because of HGSS and in-game data. And if internal game data says that her name is Leaf in both Japanese and English versions, then we have to assume it is as such. It's like you're claiming that Nintendo, specially the American and European divisions, don't screw up on the manuals and stuff. Even if such material is official, it doesn't mean it's correct and in-game data is the superior form of canon in the Pokémon franchise, so I say you're wrong. Pokemon lover 11:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
BTW, I e-mailed Nintendo of America back in late 2008 and asked them what was the official name of the female player character in FRLG. They told me that there isn't any and that players can name characters as they pretend (we all know that happens in every game except the rival in RSE), so we only have in-game data left. And if in-game data says that the name is Leaf, it's because it is. Pokemon lover 12:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Her name can't be "Green" because is the rival's name in the games already Haruka uzumaki 16:06, 24 September 2007

Her name isn't "Green". It's "Blue". Fishman 15:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, that manga information should definitely be in a separate article. But what series is it referring to? --Pie ~ 05:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

RBG picture

So, supposedly she's based off of a picture from an old guidebook. Does anybody have an copy of this picture? I'm curious to see it.

Blue artwork?

I found an image that appears to be the artwork described in the article. Is this it? [1]

It doesn't show her face, unfortunately. GigaMetroid99 02:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

We're not sure it's her but she does resemble Blue (Green in the U.S)--Coolピカチュウ! 02:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I was just wondering if that was the picture that the article described with:

Leaf was supposed to be in the original Red and Green versions, due to the fact that on Nintendo's Official guidebook, it depicted a female trainer with long brown hair, a black dress, white gloves and short black boots, alongside the male protagonist and the rival. It is believed she was supposed to be in the game, but was left out for some reason.

If that's the right image, it should be added to the article to show viewers how she would have looked.GigaMetroid99 01:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused I thought the picture already was in the article.... I made a copy of it from somewhere...--Marhawkman 02:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I remember reading in one of the articles something about how there are bits of code in red and green that treat the gender of the player character as a variable. wouldn't this be additional confirmation?--Marhawkman 15:09, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Her back sprite

It may be me but her back sprite,and Red's,makes it look like she has brown eyes,despite what the trainer card shows. Lovely Rose 02:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Rival = Blue? or Green? HGSS

Well, being that the rival's name also complicates things, as TTEchidna said, if the Viridian City gym leader in Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver is Leader (or Gym Leader) Blue, then it's back to the drawing board, but if he's Leader (or Gym Leader) Green, the name of the female player character of FireRed & LeafGreen may very well be Blue then.

Her name will be Leaf regardless. TTEchidna 02:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't the situation change if she appears in HG/SS under a different name? Tsum 04:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

It might but I think if the English translation calls the Viridian Leader "Green" to go with FireRed and LeafGreen, and has Red still in Mt. Silver, then this girl being Blue would confuse people due to Green being Blue in Gen II because before it was Red and Blue. Leaf fits her best of all, unless they were to go a completely odd route and go with actual given names, in which case I'd bet that Red would be Satoshi in Japan and Ash here, Green is Shigeru/Gary, and Leafy-poo is Ashley. TTEchidna 22:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The only one not to appear in the anime?

Wouldn't Soul count? Also,what about Mark,Mint,Wes,Michael,Lucy,Kate, and Lunick? Or do it just refer to the main games. Even so,what about Soul? Or is it still up for grabs that she is just a redesign of Kris,and not a seperate character? Lovely Rose 03:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Soul's game hasn't even been released. Of course she hasn't appeared in the anime yet. If she appears, she will probably show up during the 13th or 14th seasons, late 12th at the earliest, assuming they return to Johto after the Sinnoh League and the Sinnoh GF. --ルレ 04:36, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Apperence in HGSS?

If she's not, so should that be mentioned if she is not? Just saying b/c of the games comming out today.--Midnight Blue 02:43, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't appear so. Just Red. --ケンジガール 02:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Alright was that added to article?--Midnight Blue 02:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone finished the game with Kotone to confirm? All the places I've seen were finishing with Hibiki. Maybe Leaf takes place of Red when you play with Kotone. -- RikkiKitsune 03:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Well many have confirmed her not to be in HGSS, should I undo the trivia just in case? She might be in beta?--Midnight Blue 03:41, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I think it is too early to say it, it's better to undo it until someone who has finished with Kotone to confirm. -- RikkiKitsune 03:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Alright, I'll do unless you already did.--Midnight Blue 03:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

HGSS (again)

Is it really confirmed that she is not in HGSS? Has anyone finished the game with Soul Kotone to see if she is not in the place of Red? If not, the right thing to do is to remove this trivia. -- RikkiKitsune 03:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay, anyone answered, and people keep insisting on putting that freaking piece of trivia. It would be excellent if someone say where it is confirmed. I'm really sorry for bothering, but I just want to know -- RikkiKitsune 21:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Could you please stop asking already? I'm sure they are working on it. Be patient. I would do it myself but my rom always messes up by the time I reach Violet City. I have to wait a few weeks until I get the real game. We are not saying that she's in the game and we are not saying that she isn't. --ケンジガール 21:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
People have ripped all of the trainer sprites (including the event-only Giovanni... at least, I believe he's event-only) from the game. Leaf is not included in them. I don't have the game or ROM to go through the game with Kotone just to double-check, though... Tina 21:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I know it, it will take time, but I am also working on it. But people are insisting to put that trivia "[...] she does not appear in the games.", and we do not have clear confirmation yet. I'll hide it, okay? Sorry again for bothering. -- RikkiKitsune 21:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Leave it hidden. Although, Tina's comment gives great weight to Red staying there. Not to mention that there are a billion and one Red references. —darklordtrom 21:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Made it to Pallet. The mailbox says "Red's house". So yeah. I don't think she's here. However, there is a slim possiblity of her name being changed to Red in this game. But I highly doubt it. --ケンジガール 22:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I think it's already been proven that Leaf isn't in HG/SS from what I know after watching the HG video with Kotone in it. I think it might be possible that the designers may have planned her to be in HG/SS. I don't know about you guys but do you think she could be in beta?- unsigned comment from LeafGreen (talkcontribs)
Yeah, I actually found her hidden in the game. 梅子 05:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Well today, I made it to the top of Mt Silver as Kotone. Guess who was there? Give you a hint, it wasn't Leaf :D --ケンジガール 07:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Absence in other canons?

From what I've seen, she only appears in Special, as Blue, and in Firered/Leafgreen. Not in the anime, not in any other manga, not in any cards, not any figurines, etc.. I've only ever seen two official arts for her, the regular one and one with her and a Combusken. Does she appear in any other media? Lovely Rose 21:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Can you provide a shot of the one with the Combusken? Or a link?--Midnight Blue 01:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
This. I think that's from the Game Freak website, they have had tons of official art there. Well, she did appear in that "Pocket Monsters" manga, so that counts..But, only two manga counterparts, and her one game appearence? She still seems pretty absent. Lovely Rose 00:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

She appears in Pokemon Colosseum too or is that just a cameo or beta thing because Red, May, and Brendon have are there Pika Blue 7:29, 3 November 2009

Can I add this?

That leaf's clothes are opposites to Red's. As in Red's pants are the same color as her shirt and her red's shirt is the same color as her skirt. Same as for his and hers hats. Basically its showing they are counterparts.--Midnight Blue 02:14, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

It seems notable enough to add, no other characters share that yet. Lovely Rose 05:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Alright then, lets see what happens.--Midnight Blue 01:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Seems like a ridiculously convoluted way of saying it. Considering that all of the other game characters who are male/female counterparts wear similar clothes... TTEchidna 06:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Is this Leaf?

Where did this image come from? It seems to have something to do with this one. Those are the only two non-main official Leaf artwork I know of, they're all by Sugimori too. Lovely Rose 20:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Wow neat find, I'm not sure, it looks like leaf, umm is it just random artwork or like the TCG?--Midnight Blue 04:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
The first one I think doesn't have enough color to distinguish much--take off the brim of the hat and it would probably more resemble Dawn. The second one, however, as far as I can tell, is definitely based off this design (nevermind the fact that she's near a Pokémon heavily associated with May). --Shiningpikablu252 04:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Blue eyes?

Doesn't Red's sprite show him with blue eyes too? Plus, her pre-game sprite shows her with brown eyes, doesn't it? Her back sprite seems to show her with brown eyes too. Lovely Rose 01:03, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


Could someone upload Leaf's Title sprite from FRLG? Red has his, but Leaf doesn't. --Never Give Up Pika 13:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


The article says her name was in the games. Does that mean she was supposed to be in it, or is her name just there for another reason? Lovely Rose 22:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

You mean about the name "Leaf" is alternates for Dawn and Kotone? That just means they just share name. Or where soy talking about something out. Or do you mean about the dummied-out character? That was for FRLG.--Midnight Blue 22:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
It should say FRLG then, because in that context it makes it sound like they're talking about HGSS. Lovely Rose 18:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)