Talk:Lana's Primarina
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What gender is it Male or female since Popplio evolves into Brionne than Primarina in which femmine looking pokemon in the anime are usually female. - unsigned comment from Feelitstill23 (talk • contribs)
- It is our strict policy not to assume a Pokemon's gender. It must be explicitly stated. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:34, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Popplio is also a starter. All starters have a 7:1 male-biased gender ratio. However, there is evidence from SM061 that Lana's Popplio is indeed female. That discussion is being had at the discussion page for that episode, and I don't think we should make any changes until a consensus is formed. Macsen (talk) 23:40, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
- As an aside, I don't think the gender ratio that exists in the games exists in the anime. The gender of most Pokémon is decided by the writers of the show. But I agree that we need more evidence before we can confirm its gender. PDL (talk) 14:49, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
- It's a girl for pete's sake, it was confirmed in SM061 because the female Pokemon were given ribbons, while the males were given pendants. So that pretty much says its gender. it's the same as the dance in XYZ where the females were partnered to males, the females wore crowns, and the males wore bowties. So why oh why does its gender need to be stated? I already said that I saw when it was confirmed. Come on people, get on the ball already! User:PokemonFan229 talk)
- The difference is that in the XY episode, it was stated that males must dance with females, with the gender specific accessories being evidence. In SM's case, it wasn't stated whether the accessories were gender specific and could've either been random or based on trainer preference.--ForceFire 05:52, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
- FWIW, I am personally not sure that XY105 actually confirmed any genders. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:23, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Quoted here for context...
- " In the Japanese dub, Monsieur Pierre mentions that Performers and their Pokémon must come to the dance party in male and female pairs (in the beginning of the episode when Serena watches his video). He uses the word 男女 danjo, which means "men and women". I don't understand Japanese too well though, so maybe someone who does speak the language can confirm this for sure. As for the outfits, Pokémon with bowties were paired with Pokémon wearing tiaras, which meant one group has to be male while the other is female. Since already confirmed male Pokémon (like Pikachu) wore bowties and confirmed female Pokémon (like Gourgeist and Eevee) wore tiaras, it was assumed that all bowtie Pokémon were male while all tiara Pokémon were female." Unless you are counter-implying that some people randomly switched outfits according to the Dawn's Piplup cross-dressing and Misha's Purrloin acting female thus non-binary Pokémon COULD exist in this show for 10 year olds so nope principle(A weak and seemingly paranoid contrarian argument for the sake of being contrarian that, being cloaked in good intentions, seems to be there in order to ensure site accuracy by taking no minor risks(and maybe having to make a few minor edits in reality to fix/clean up a temporary inaccuracy) thus not changing the net or gross accuracy of the site at all in order to not lose Google Search result placement for maybe a few days from a minor temporary error and false transphobia flags to other for-profit sites and thus ensuring ad hits and Archaic being payed), then it should stand. This franchise uses sex in most other languages(Including Japan) anyway, but due to due to Americans being so immature about the word sex they used the dated definition of gender and opened a can of worms regarding modern gender discussions in the process after Gen V. If the Japanese version calls it sex we should not get held up on the word gender and what it means nowadays and should treat mentions of gender as biological sex for the purposes of male or female discussions of Pokémon in this franchise due to Japanese term being sex(This site is well-known to be completely accepting of the entire gender spectrum, so thinking of the concept as sex within the context of Pokémon biology isn't going to change that, except to those who already hated this site who were looking for another excuse to do so). Getting hung up over an English-language retroactive muck-up isn't worth holding down and crushing debates like this...And all other gender(read:Sex)-paired outfits that come in twos should if one Pokémon's outfit matches their previously known gender(read:sex), as well.. But the argument is over already, isn't it? Piplup crossdressed in a way only Dawn did to her Pokémon and Misha's Purrloin pretended to be a girl to seduce Meowth and Oshawott, so any other Pokémon COULD be non-binary...so nope. --BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 02:10, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- Good lord, really?
- I did not know what lines supported genders in that episode. Every point you try to make after that quote is invalidated simply because you ran with your worst fears and never gave me any chance to respond. (Rants almost always mean you've made a bad choice. Please rein yourself in.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:03, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- Short version then. The general base line for gender is weak due to people getting hung up on the dubbing of the word "sex" as "gender". So biological sex should be what is used in determining such things. Dawn's Piplup crossdressing and Misha's Purrloin do not entirely invalidate sexed articles of clothing because not every Trainer is Dawn or Jessie, and lying about sex doesn't make Non-Binary Pokémon exist for believing that Purrloin(For the record, I'd be all for it if and when it exists). This also applies to Ash's Charizard, Ash's Totodile, Ash's Corphish, Brock's Crobat, Brock's Ludicolo and many others. --BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 21:38, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- I, for one, did not ask for a short version of anything, but...
- It doesn't seem like you really came to a relevant point above, so let me make a guess: are you trying to say that, in your opinion, Lana's Popplio's gender is confirmed by what it was wearing in SM061? Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:55, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yes I do because...
- 1.there is a relevant precedent for sexed accessories(XY105)that should be applied retroactively and thoroughly wiki-wide.
- 2.Biological Sex in Japanese version overrules gender spectrum discussion in relation to sexing Pokémon since we focus on the Japanese version.
- 3:Not every trainer is Dawn or Jessie regarding accessories and costumes and not all Pokémon lie about their sex like Misha's Purrloin did in one episode.
- 4.The usual reasons for why this is denied on sight are questionable if not outright bunk because of the preceding 3 points.
- Hope that makes my reasoning clearer. --BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 23:25, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- Short version then. The general base line for gender is weak due to people getting hung up on the dubbing of the word "sex" as "gender". So biological sex should be what is used in determining such things. Dawn's Piplup crossdressing and Misha's Purrloin do not entirely invalidate sexed articles of clothing because not every Trainer is Dawn or Jessie, and lying about sex doesn't make Non-Binary Pokémon exist for believing that Purrloin(For the record, I'd be all for it if and when it exists). This also applies to Ash's Charizard, Ash's Totodile, Ash's Corphish, Brock's Crobat, Brock's Ludicolo and many others. --BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 21:38, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- FWIW, I am personally not sure that XY105 actually confirmed any genders. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:23, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- The difference is that in the XY episode, it was stated that males must dance with females, with the gender specific accessories being evidence. In SM's case, it wasn't stated whether the accessories were gender specific and could've either been random or based on trainer preference.--ForceFire 05:52, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
- It's a girl for pete's sake, it was confirmed in SM061 because the female Pokemon were given ribbons, while the males were given pendants. So that pretty much says its gender. it's the same as the dance in XYZ where the females were partnered to males, the females wore crowns, and the males wore bowties. So why oh why does its gender need to be stated? I already said that I saw when it was confirmed. Come on people, get on the ball already! User:PokemonFan229 talk)
- As an aside, I don't think the gender ratio that exists in the games exists in the anime. The gender of most Pokémon is decided by the writers of the show. But I agree that we need more evidence before we can confirm its gender. PDL (talk) 14:49, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
- Popplio is also a starter. All starters have a 7:1 male-biased gender ratio. However, there is evidence from SM061 that Lana's Popplio is indeed female. That discussion is being had at the discussion page for that episode, and I don't think we should make any changes until a consensus is formed. Macsen (talk) 23:40, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Lana's Popplio used Sing
In Episode 56 of Pokemon Sun and Moon, it's very clear even tho now on discovered it that Popplio was the one using Sing that put Jigglypuff to sleep. Even tho Komala was the one who doodled on it's face, Komala isnt a pokemon that can learn sing. The show clearly show that once they started practicing singing before Jigglypuff returns, Popplio was the one who wasn't drowsy while it was singing. So Lana's Popplio could already know the move Sing. -- Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- No matter how clear you think it may be, Bulbapedia policy is not to state moves unless they are explicitly named in dialogue or official closed captions. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
