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:::Except that those pictures are REALLY low quality. They're not even scans, they're photographs of the guide pages. The Gym Leader art will be uploaded—but only once we have images which are half-decent. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:02, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Except that those pictures are REALLY low quality. They're not even scans, they're photographs of the guide pages. The Gym Leader art will be uploaded—but only once we have images which are half-decent. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:02, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
We now have some (all?) of the Gym Leader and Elite Four artwork. It's not the best quality - but it's the best quality that exists. I think that'll give an idea, anyway, and we can update the art as more comes to hand. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 19:49, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
We now have some (all?) of the Gym Leader and Elite Four artwork. It's not the best quality - but it's the best quality that exists. I think that'll give an idea, anyway, and we can update the art as more comes to hand. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 19:49, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
==In the anime?==
Didn't Aloe switch pokemon against Ash? [[User:Plato Platinum|Plato Platinum]] 18:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Revision as of 18:16, 18 January 2011

Is it necessary to have "Jimu Rīdā" in there when that's just the Japanese pronunciation of "Gym Leader" to begin with? --BJG

Of course it is. JAPANESE IS GOOD AND ENGLISH IS BAD. Jimu Riidaa is obviously a different phrase than Gym Leader, and NoA CHANGED IT AND BASTARDISED IT when they translated the games! Just like Kurisutaru and Crystal are also DIFFERENT WORDS and so are Reddo/Red, and so forth. --Ketsuban

Assuming you were kidding, Ketsuban, I changed the Japanese to "Gym Leader"... also I got rid of some of the info at the beginning that was already covered under Gym AND Badge. If anyone thought it was also necessary here, feel free to revert back. Also, regarding this page, do we need to have the USE of the Badge if that's already covered under Badge? Also, shouldn't all the Badges be linked to the Badge page? --Greengiant 01:49, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I agree with linking the badges to the Badge page. surskitty 21:03, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I thought the Badge page was mostly there so that individual illustrations of each badge would have a place to go. - Zeta

Leader name and badge change

i changed Wake and Candice's stuff because of this SinnohGymLeaders.bmp.jpg
--- unsigned comment from DSDark (talkcontribs)

Not too surprised that they're calling him Wake. After all, his full Japanese name (Maximum Maxi) was shortened to just Maxi. --PAK Man 14:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Jasmine comment

An NPC in the Lighthouse in G/S/C mentions that Jasmine used to train Rock-type Pokémon. Her badge's name (Mineral) also sounds a little like a Rock-type badge. Therefore, hasn't every region technically had a Rock-type gym at some point?--Nebula 22:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Unless there is a source that gives some of the Olivine Gym's history, we don't know for sure if it was ever for Rock types. --FabuVinny T-C-S 23:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
NPCS confirm that Jasmine did used to train Rock types as a Gym leader. IIMarckus 18:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, there's a bloke (I think he's a sailor) in the lighthouse. He says he returned from his travels to Olivine and was shocked to find that the Gym Leader had change the type she specialised in. Hope this helps. Flicky1991 19:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Trivia, Trivia, and MORE Trivia

So last night I was really bored and decided to see any patterns in the Gym Leaders, along with some awkward stuff too..

  • There are *usually* 4 females, and 4 males, however Johto breaks this rule, with 3 girls and 5 males. Unless Bugsy is a girl.
  • Hoenn, has 4 Special-typed gyms, and 4 Physical-typed gyms. Hell, the gender is split evenly along Special and Physical, with 2 females and 2 males specializing in Special-type, and vice versa. Otherwise, the amount of Special-based and Physical-based are uneven.
  • There was something else, but I can't remember it at this moment.

..yeah, I was bored alright. Tina281 05:16, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Usually 4/4? No... Kanto's 5/3 in I/III. Johto's 5/3. Hoenn's got 5/4 in both RS and E. Sinnoh's 4/4. Neo Kanto's 4/4. Though Hoenn's Physical/Special split is correct. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 06:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • The face of Bugsy is truly male, not female. That's why Johto have 4 males gym leaders and 4 females gym leaders. Joannes
Bugsy being male makes it 5/3, not 4/4. God, why can no one count... or spell. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 14:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

good trivia, I think

All the kanto gym types, before blue and with the exception of saffron's gym, are followed by a gym type with an advantage to them. Also all the johto gym types, with the exception of goldenrod's gym, precede a type they have an advantage against. Kanjo 18:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

See, whenever there's an "exception" in something like this, it makes it a lot weaker. --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 18:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Normal-types are immune to ghosts, so that might not really be an exception. I think this is very interesting, since I'd never noticed that pattern before. IIMarckus 18:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


Why is there a separate list for the Diamond/Pearl and Platinum gym leaders? Redstar 20:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The order changed in Pt.--MisterE13 20:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Orders can't change. Most of the time you either go down a set path, or you have some freedom in going to towns in what order you like. Now, unless the path was set and they rearranged the landscape to put one city before another, I find it highly unlikely that the "order was changed". Redstar 20:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
It was changed. You must fight Fantina in order to go further than Hearthome City, or else you're blocked in. The order is changed and set. --ケンジガール 20:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
That's not reason enough for me. Removed. Redstar 20:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry but you do not have the authority to do that. Try a stunt like that again and you're blocked. --ケンジガール 20:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
How do I "not have the authority"? This is a Wikipedia, and is freely edited by its users... I'm not some guest, or low-level, never-edits user. I feel that that information is redundant, and should be removed. You cannot block me for doing something that is not in any way vandalism, or addition of non-notable, or un-verified information. Redstar 21:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I am an admin and I do not want this changed. You are going against an admin decision and that's what you can get blocked for. BTW, this is verified information. Why don't you try playing Platinum before you call something un-verified. What you were putting was not true. Fantina is not the fifth Gym Leader fought in Platinum. Crasher Wake is. --ケンジガール 21:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't care if you are an admin. This is a freely-edited Wiki, and you can't have the articles exactly as you like them; they have to be encyclopedic.
I never said that that was unverified information. If you had read what I said clearly, you'd know that I was using that as an example to block someone; not as to the information in this article.
Finally, in Red/Blue/Yellow, you could fight Erika or Sabrina in any order. Heck, you could outright skip some gym leaders... So how were the lists for those gym leaders compiled in that specific order? We might as well make lists of every conceivable order, right? This article is about the gym leaders, not the order of said leaders. Including the same leaders twice is nothing but redundant, and clogs space. 21:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Besides, you just called this wiki a Wikipedia. Bulbapedia's license and most of its practices are different from that of Wikipedia. Maybe if you read over our manual of style and Wikipedia's manual of style, you'll see just how vastly different Bulbapedia is...--Shiningpikablu252 21:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Your point being? I have read the manuals, and I see nothing on Bulba's that suggests this Wiki is not freely edited. Redstar 21:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
If we let every user do what ever the hell they wanted to do then this place would be a mess. Admins need to take charge at times. It's not entirely free as you say. --ケンジガール 21:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Umm... You make me out to be an anarchist. I fully realize that admins are needed to police the edits and make sure nothing extreme is done. And by extreme I mean what I said earlier: outright vandalism, and non-notable or un-verified fancruft/rumours. And edit pertaining to the article itself, and in no way harming, only benefiting it, is clearly outside the range of an admin's stated purpose, and falls only into your personal opinion. As an admin, you cannot have a personal opinion that gets in the way of intelligent editing. Redstar 21:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
The point is you did not ask proper permission or talked it out on the talk page. You just went ahead and removed it. Anyway, were working on a solution so both parties will be happy. --ケンジガール 21:29, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I apologize for not going through the proper channels. Like so many other people on the Internet, I was "in a bad mood". Lame excuse, but at least I've gone through it quick enough that we can discuss this right. The article can remain the same if you like, though I feel it's redundant, but a notice explaining the redundancy would be a fair compromise. Redstar 21:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Attention all

Gym Leaders all go in badge case order as of the most recent game they appear in. Since that order doesn't change between games (RGBYFRLG all use the same one, that is), that'll be our standard. Especially considering the ability for you to do badges out of order in some games (Kanto especially). TTEchidna 21:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Badge case order in Platinum is still Maylene-Wake-Fantina for those of you who don't feel like checking, so I guess the above argument could have been diverted x.x ~ solaris 21:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Trust me, we really don't want to go disputing the order of gym leaders, especially in the case of Kanto in Generation I if we bring Pokémon Stadium 2's Color Case exploit into things...--Shiningpikablu252 21:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

HG/SS Kanto Gym Leaders

Do the Kanto Gym Leaders in HG/SS have VS sprites like the Johto ones? --Shiny Noctowl 20:46, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't know but since there details coming in it is better to wait a few days and see so just be patient. -Tyler53841 20:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
The answer is yes. Blaine's in particular is amusing, because he does a peace sign.--Ryuutakeshi 23:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Someone should upload them, then. --Shiny Noctowl 03:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Already have. MaverickNate 03:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Interchangeable Sprites and VS Sprites

Do you think we can make it so that the sprites will change from the VS sprites to the regular sprites every so often? It seems kinda weird that only the GenIII ones won't have the VS sprites while everyting else will. --ケンジガール 03:06, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah felt the same way of roaming the images and finding that not all Gym Leaders are going to get headshots so I will support your proposal. -Tyler53841 03:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
It's a very good idea! I support it also. -- RikkiKitsune 03:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Johto Gym Leader new Sugimori art

Why do the first four have it but the last four still have the artwork from Gen II? --Shiny Noctowl 20:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

'Cause the others haven't been uploaded yet.--Dark ICE (User:Cold)(page, talk) 20:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Do you know where whoever uploaded the first four got them from so I can upload the rest? --Shiny Noctowl 21:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
They're on the official Japaneses website. So far, only the first four have been revealed. --Mr.lol 21:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Whoever put up the rest of the Johto gym leader artwork, good job. Now we need the new Kanto gym leader artwork.--Black Artist 20:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Indigo League..

Why is it that we use the small first generation art, instead of the full sized ones? Lovely Rose 01:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

On this page we are using their ingame sprites, not their official art. —darklordtrom 01:44, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I meant in their own pages. Lovely Rose 01:45, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Anyway, the ones you link to are too small--Black Artist 02:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I have larger ones on my PC, but they have some sort of black background around them and I don't have Photoshop. Lovely Rose 02:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Still more trivia.

Picknicker Liz just phoned to mention that Gym Leader Whitney was chosen by the League shortly after becoming a trainer. I guess that means they are using a talent scout system of some kind. *shrug* --PLA 07:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I can confirm that. I'll do something with it on some article... —darklordtrom 04:35, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


In this article, it puts Pryce as the 7th gym leader. I battled him before Chuck or Jasmine-because I hadn't even gotten to their respective cities yet. There was a guy in front of the door, but he disappeared after the souveneir shop thing. Pryces article said that he couldn't be battled until you defeat Team Rocket in their headquarters, but now i'm confused as to whether it meant the thing i did, or another event later in the game. And no, i have never used an external device or, to the best of my knowledge, any glitches. Flyingtypefan 08:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Pryce is meant to be the seventh Gym Leader, but you can defeat most of them in any order. For example, in Kanto you can skip Lt. Surge and Sabrina until almost just before taking on the Viridian Gym if you so desire. —darklordtrom 08:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh. I thought the table might have been out of order or something. Thanks. Flyingtypefan 22:40, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

In HG/SS, you can battle Chuck, Jasmine, and Pryce in any order you choose. Due to the fact that the road splits after Morty, you can battle any of the three in any order you want. I personally battled Jasmine before Chuck. It all depends on where you want to go. If you are not sure which way to go, look at the Pokegear and the strategy guide if you have it. If there is a Pokemon you want, (because you might still be building your party to how you want it) then go the path that leads you there the quickest. In Kanto, I went the route suggested and beat 4 Gyms in one day and 3 the next. It was all based on my thought process at the time. It is like so many things in Pokemon, it is all based on decision. To answer your question, the souveneir shop thing is supposed to happen before Pryce. You did the right thing. Pokemon26 18:24, 21 July 2010.

Could we add

shouldn't we add aloe and dento here as well as the isshu region?Badwolf1234 05:56, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I think their waiting for all the gym leaders to be announced, so probably won't be added until the games are released. --S2daam 11:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Should we?

Shouldn't we add the the lower template to the page? It is a trainer class, after all. It only seems right that we do. ~ Master of Illusion: Z 50px User page 13:24, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Isshu Gym Leaders

An image with the new gym leaders popped up Vienna Waltz 20:17, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

And accordingly, users have put them in their userspaces. --Psyライダー 20:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
And why is the Icicle badge under the Isshu gym leader template?Patrickmck 00:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
It's called the Icicle Badge, and because of the way the template works (you put the name of the badge and the image and name show up on the page) Sinnoh's Icicle Badge is there. God, it's like GameFreak is trying to force name-changes on every Ice badge or something...—Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 05:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Apparently Iris is only the Souryuu City gym leader in one version of the game, in the other the leader is a man called Shaga Vienna Waltz 08:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is confirmed on the game's books. Iris is the Gym Leader of White Version, and Shaga (?) is the Gym Leader of Black Version. Masatoshi: Gen. II>All. Discuss. 19:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Isshu leaders' etymology

Leaving this here until actual pages are made.

  • Dent/Pod/Corn: Dent corn and pod corn
  • Aloe: Aloe
  • Kamitsure: Japanese for chamomile
  • Yacón: Yacón.
  • Fūro: Japanese for geranium. Fūrō (風浪) means "wind and waves".
  • Hachiku: Japanese for "breaking bamboo" (破竹)
  • Iris: Iris

Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 05:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

And Shaga (著莪), Japanese Iris. For gyms:
  • Sanyō: Most likely to be from 三曜模様. 三 san (three) and possibly 陽/葉/洋 you (sun/leaf/ocean) or 様 you (manner)you (luminary).
  • Shippō: From 七宝模様, 七宝 means "seven treasures" or "cloisonne"
  • Hiun: From 飛雲文, 飛雲 means "flying cloud" (or 非運 "misfortune")
  • Raimon: 雷門, literally "thunder gate" From 雷文 raimon (thunder pattern).
  • Hodomoe: From 帆巴文様. 帆巴 hodomoe literally means "sail swirl". 巴 tomoe also means "comma-shaped design". Contains 土 do, earth.
  • Fukiyose: From 吹寄せ模様 "drifting pattern". 吹き寄せ means "medley". Contains 吹, "blow".
  • Sekka: From 雪華模様 "snowflake pattern". Can be read as 雪花, "snowflakes".
  • Sōryū: 蒼竜, "Azure dragon". From 双竜文 "double dragon pattern".
Might as well add this:
  • Kanoko: From 鹿の子模様, "fawn dapple pattern".
  • Karakusa: From 唐草模様, "arabesque".
  • Kanawa: From 金輪, "metal ring/hoop".
  • Kagome: From 籠目, "woven-bamboo pattern".
  • Sazanami: From 漣/小波/細波, ripple.
神奇超龍 15:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC) Edited.神奇超龍 17:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
What about Arty? Flicky1991 16:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
His name wasn't out at that point. Also, half of Beyondnor's Romanizations make no sense. Are they official? Because Fuuro≠Flo and Kamitsure≠Camille.—Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 17:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
How about アーティチョーク artichoke? 神奇超龍 18:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Hey, good job. It hadn't occurred to me.—Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 22:03, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Icicle Badge

I know because of their same English and Japanese names, the respective 7th badges for Sinnoh and Isshu have the same file picture on the page. Just seems like a minor problem, but I am a perfectionist. Omnis 10:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Lt. Surge

I'm pretty sure this is a mistake, but when does Surge appear at MooMoo Farm? --HoennMaster 17:01, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

On Fridays and Saturdays, he appears on Route 39 (MooMoo Farm) after you've traded for his Pikachu. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 17:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Gotcha. Thanks, glad I checked first. --HoennMaster 17:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Merger discussions


Since it's a worthless stub, I suggest merging it with Gym Leader. Would it be a good move? Just make sure to put other languages section in Gym Leader article if it's decided to merge the page. --Maxim 12:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe. There is a discussion in the forums about it.--Clarky13 12:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
No. This article is about the trainer class, not the characters. Yes, they are similar, but they remain quite different. It just needs improvement. — THE TROM — 10:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Wait, huh? How are the 'Leader' trainer class and the 'Gym Leader' position any different? They both refer to the same thing... Anyway, I suggest a merge. Do we have to vote or something, or are we just discussing for now? Memo326 00:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
This article should NOT be merged. It specifically provides information regarding the Gym Leaders in the Pokémon games. The article Gym Leader heavily references the Anime. AUXIA 02:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, they're still the same subject. We are not proposing a mere deletion of this page, but a merging to the Gym Leader one, so if you feel that this one addresses the games and the other the anime, if they became merged, the 'Gym Leader' page would talk about Gym Leaders in the games and anime (which happen to be the same thing)... (the Gym Leaders in both mediums, not the mediums themselves, I mean.)Memo326 04:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes, they are technically the same thing. But if the decision is made to merge the articles, it might be a good idea to have one section of the article dedicated to the Anime and another to the games. Furthermore, if they are merged, I think a link to the Gym Leader article should remain in the list of Trainer Classes, as they are, technically, a separate class. AUXIA (talk) 23:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Heavily references the anime? Having a section on the Orange Islands is not "heavily references". TTEchidna 23:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
MERGE with Gym Leader. ---LūgīāRōcks (Tālk δ Ēdīts) 01:33, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


Everybody still up for merging?--Clarky13 11:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm against the merge.--Sher-e-Bengal- 11:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm in favor of the merge. =) Memo326 15:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay, no one came here in the past months, but I am in favor of merging. -- RikkiKitsune 20:32, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm with merging. CuboneKing 22:42, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
As stated above: MERGE ---LūgīāRōcks (Tālk δ Ēdīts) 01:33, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
No merge. It is actually a trainer class. Then our little trainer class box at the bottom of the page has a link to an actual trainer class that was merged to Gym Leader because everyone thought they were the same. They aren't so deal with it. (No offense). Find a way to include the fact that the Trainer Class was actually Leader not Gym Leader, then go ahead. If not, then don't.--Smartkidhen (So I saw this sign that said Red VelvetTeam Galatic has plans!) 01:51, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
They aren't "the same" in the English versions because of the character limit. In Japanese, it's the same, and it was intended to be the same in English, undoubtedly. Now, I'm either for us moving everything to X (Trainer class) [because that's how we do it with other things, we don't have Psychic and Psychic, Double Team and Double Team, and not Leader and Fire Blast or merging this. TTEchidna 19:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Merging makes sense. The two articles are about the same thing, regardless of what media they describe. We don't have seperate articles on Gyms in the anime and games. And the fact that it describes a specific Trainer class is also a non-issue. Mysticalman redirects to Eusine, after all. Couldn't the Gym Leader page have information about the Trainer class as well? --AndyPKMN 20:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


This has been tagged since early 2009 at the latest. There are no logical arguments against merging, really. So I'll just go ahead and merge, like I did the Team Rocket Grunts. Memo326 21:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Right, so that's done. Let's sort those two incomplete sections now. —darklordtrom 10:59, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Where is the artwork!

Official artwork for all Unova Gym Leaders, Elite four members and Adeku have been revealed on Pokebeach. Why doesn't someone upload it already! User:TheBlackPokemonMaster

You're free to upload it if you want to.. --Kolink 21:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes and please do upload them TBPM felinoel 15:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Except that those pictures are REALLY low quality. They're not even scans, they're photographs of the guide pages. The Gym Leader art will be uploaded—but only once we have images which are half-decent. --AndyPKMN (talk) 16:02, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

We now have some (all?) of the Gym Leader and Elite Four artwork. It's not the best quality - but it's the best quality that exists. I think that'll give an idea, anyway, and we can update the art as more comes to hand. —darklordtrom 19:49, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

In the anime?

Didn't Aloe switch pokemon against Ash? Plato Platinum 18:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)