Talk:Guardian deities

Moving the page

Should we move the page to Tapu or Tapus, since that is still an official name for them and more people seem to be using it than guardian deities, as well as making the name of the page defiantly exclude any other Pokemon which are worshipped as protectors that may appear in the future? PartHunter (talk) 02:34, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Guardian deities is their official name, as seen on the official website. --HoennMaster 03:10, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

If other Pokemon are called guardian deities in the future, they would almost certainly deserve to be mentioned alongside the tapu. Besides which, so far, the "tapu" are almost always called guardian deities, so that should be the most appropriate name. We don't need to invent a worry about future "guardian deities" to justify moving them. If it's expanded later, we can decide if we want to make a page dedicated to the tapu then. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:55, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

To revisit this discussion: the term used in dialogue in-game seems to be more often than not "tapu." In light of how the actual game depicts them, what's the new consensus? What does everyone think we should do? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:21, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm against moving this unless Tiddlywinks' prediction comes true. They are still called "guardian deities" even in-game. In fact I tdon't think I've even seen them referred to generically as "Tapu". I don't even give a Schif (Talk • Contribs) 17:23, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

The Tapunium Z's description calls them the tapu, not the guardian deities. That's the main source that I think we should consider. Additionally, I think "guardian deity" is more Alola-specific terminology, whereas tapu is a term more applicable to the Pokémon world as a whole; they seem to be revered as guardian deities in Alola, but I doubt that holds in the rest of the Pokémon world (although that is a bit speculative). --SnorlaxMonster 17:40, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

To Schiffy: Look here, Acerola uses tapu. I agree this page should be moved. Tapu is the most used terminology both in-game and the fandom. This group of Pokémon is called guardian deities, land spirits (see map description for Ruins of Conflict/Life/Abundance/Hope), and spirit guardians (in the anime). All of these are official and they can be referenced in the article, but for the title we should go with the one that's used the most rather than favoring one that's used here and there. --Mikuri 11:02, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I see no reason that we should have it at Guardian Deities rather than Tapu... Both are official terms, used in game and referenced by official media, and one of those terms is used commonly by the Pokémon community. It seems a little ridiculous that we are choosing the less used term (Guardian deities) over the more common yet equally official term (tapus). --Celadonkey 21:08, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I honestly think "Tapu" suits the page name well. It's in their names, and they are referred to as such in the games. Crummymummy (talk) 20:01, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't agree with him, but here's what Tiddlywinks had to say:

"My opinion is that "tapu" is fairly informal. Guardian deity is an explicit description of their role and better IMO."

--Celadonkey 00:28, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Not a mod, but I definitely agree that the page should be renamed to Tapu. As a name, "guardian deities" is awfully vague. It could, for example, refer to Celebi, who is found within a shrine and is noted to be the guardian of the forest. "Tapu" obviously refers specifically to the guardian deities themselves. And well, they are probably named "Tapu X" because they are the tapus. Calling them "tapus" as a whole just makes sense.GM_3826 (talk) 21:21, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Other groups can easily be as/more vague than "guardian deities". ("Legendary birds" would be a huge one.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:26, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure, some official terms are that vague... but I don't see why we should favor a vague term over one that is both official and clearly refers to a certain group of Pokémon.

I would like to reiterate that in-game dialogue overwhelmingly uses tapu more often than any other term for the group. I don't think that should be discounted lightly. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:49, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Legendary Pokémon

Should we add them and Ultra Beast to Legendary pages while still having these pagse for operate information?--Jacob Kogan (talk) 21:32, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

We're currently discussing that on Talk:Legendary Pokémon. Feel free to participate there, but let's try to keep the discussion conslidated ^.^ Nutter Butter (talk) 21:34, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

GTS treats the Tapus as Legendaries.

"Do you want to include people who are seeking Mythical or Legendary Pokemon?"

Select "Don't include"

Tapu Bulu request disappears from selection. TehPerson (talk) 09:20, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

As has been clearly stated multiple times in the discussion linked directly above, the GTS treats them only as Legendary or Mythical, nothing more specific than that, so we won't be identifying them as one or the other until we get clear canonical confirmation of which of those they are. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:01, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Wait, so the discussion isn't about whether they are legendary or not, but whether they are legendary or mythical? I thought we already could tell they're not mythical, mythical Pokémon are event exclusive Pokémon. --Celadonkey 14:11, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

That being said, we should wait until more evidence to decide whether they are legendary or not. --Celadonkey 14:16, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Deoxys was called Mythical in ORAS. We will wait, therefore, for a specific desgination. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:38, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

It was? Huh, I always thought that the official designation changed, with that poll and all. --Celadonkey 15:01, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

So, since we know that they are either Legendary or Mythical, should we add them to Template:Legendary Pokémon? --Celadonkey 16:45, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

At this point, we should add them to a disputed category/template, if anything. --Super goku (talk) 07:01, 6 February 2017 (UTC)