Talk:Gracidea (Sinnoh)

English name

Pokemon.com's movie page has revealed its english name. see here --Jonouchi 22:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Disambig

I have a really strong feeling that most people will be looking for the in-game item when looking for "Gracidea", not the movie place. I vote for a disambig! --Maxim 09:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

But is there really a point to disambiguate two pages? Surely a hatnote on one or the other is enough.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 09:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

But isn't the in-game item more important? And some people (especially new ones) don't have the habit of looking onto hatnotes. (not that I care about them, do what you want) --Maxim 09:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Meh, being the first thing noticed is why it's at the top of the page.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 09:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, but there's still no reason that "Gracidea" should lead to the article of the place. The item is more important and that's what the most people would have in mind when looking for "Gracidea". --Maxim 09:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The place is called Gracidea and the item is called Gracidea Flower. I think that about sums it up. — THE TROM — 09:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Not anymore. The in-game name of the item is "Gracidea". Not to mention that "Gracidea Flower" is 15 characters long. --Maxim 09:38, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I see. I still prefer it as it is. — THE TROM — 09:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

But I don't see why. Game things > Anime-only things. Isn't that a rule? --Maxim 10:04, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

No idea, I generally don't follow the rules :p Got a precedent we can follow? — THE TROM — 10:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Nor do I. I think admins would decide. If not, then leave it as-is, since it's a purely formal thing. --Maxim 10:08, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Page renaming

They call it "Gracidea Garden" in the movie, not just "Gracidea" since it's the name of the flower (Brock calls it "Flower Garden"). The page should be renamed. Jeangabin666 (talk) 06:34, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Is that necessary?

It says in the article that by using an Action Replay to get Oak's Letter and bringing Cherish Balls, if one catches Shaymin, you can recieve a Gracidea in Platinum. Is that really necessary to mention in the article? In my opinion, it should be mentioned in Gracidea (flower), not Gracidea. Pawsrent 02:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Source

What's the source for Gracidea being a region. In the film, they talk about the "Gracidea Garden" or "Flower Garden". And in the Arceus film, they talk about "what happened near the Glacier". But I've never heard "Gracidea" being a region name in the films. Jeangabin666 (talk) 20:19, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

For info, this is the page for the "Gracidea Flower" on the Japanese wiki http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B7%E3%83%87%E3%82%A2%E3%81%AE%E3%81%AF%E3%81%AA The talk about the "Gracidea Flower Garden" (グラシデアの花畑), but there's no page for any "Gracidea" region there. Jeangabin666 (talk) 20:31, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Per the definition of "region" in the Pokémon world, Gracidea is never called a region. It is, however, a location in the Sinnoh region, and I believe it is not made clear whether Gracidea is the name of the garden, or if it is called that because it is a garden where Gracidea flowers grow. That said, calling it the Gracidea Garden makes more sense, so I support the move. Xolroc (talk) 20:51, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! My point is that there's not place called "Gracidea" at all in the film or any Pokémon Media: see http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/pokemon-movies/pokemon-giratina-the-sky-warrior-2009 They talk about the Gracidea Garden, Flower Garden, Gracidea Flower Garden, Glacier, but no "Gracidea" place at all. Jeangabin666 (talk) 22:28, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

"Gracidea Flower Garden", however, could be construed to mean "the flower garden named Gracidea", "the garden where Gracidea flowers grow", "the place named Gracidea Flower Garden", or who knows what other interpretations. There's no evidence that I am aware of that the location is not called Gracidea--but no evidence that it is, either.

Additionally, when indenting replies, please add one more : than the previous reply. It helps keep things lining up properly. Xolroc (talk) 22:56, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

About their origin in event distribution: the film's Regigigas' OT was Ten'i Village (テンイむら) in Japanese version and Toy'sRUs in English, while Shaymin's OT is either the film (English and Japanese) or ToysRUs (English). Check here. Regigigas' village was given a name, while there's still no "Gracidea" place confirmed for Shaymin's origin. Which would imply Gracidea has always been the flower's name and nothing more.

Nothing in official Pokémon media confirm a specific place named "Gracidea", nor any reference to any "Gracidea" place is made. Now, if a "Gracidea" location page has to be kept on this wiki, the page should at least be renamed "Gracidea Garden" or "Gracidea Flower Garden" in order to be accurate. Jeangabin666 (talk) 19:00, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

I think it's okay for the move now, there's no opposition nor any source confirming the actual name. Jeangabin666 (talk) 18:26, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

No opposition, I'll move the page. Jeangabin666 (talk) 19:05, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Moves and similar propositions are to be decided by the Editorial Board. You're welcome to ask someone on staff, but please do not presume to fulfill them yourself no matter the lack of dissent or whatever. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:11, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I'll leave this note here so it can easily be found when it may be needed: the Pokemon.com page for M11 says "Gracidea garden".

Understand that the EB has not made a decision yet. This is unfortunately true for a number of pages on the wiki, but the EB will not simply forget about this page. It may take time, but I'd like to encourage patience. You'll survive. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC)