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I'm wondering what could be the artwork of the new Eeveelutions, i think ZYPIN would be cool if it is confirmed....same goes with the other Regi-form..we cant trust maybe GEN.5 pokedex will appear before the Diamond and Pearl series ends..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|<span style="color: #6890F0;">Angel</span>]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|<span style="color: #C0C0C0;">Guardian</span>]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 09:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm wondering what could be the artwork of the new Eeveelutions, i think ZYPIN would be cool if it is confirmed....same goes with the other Regi-form..we cant trust maybe GEN.5 pokedex will appear before the Diamond and Pearl series ends..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|<span style="color: #6890F0;">Angel</span>]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|<span style="color: #C0C0C0;">Guardian</span>]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 09:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually we can definitely expect a gen V, since in pt. the multi linguistic man has a plaque in his house which says he visited 150 '''foreign''' lands, so we can expect quite alot.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 07:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
== Make it already! ==
== Make it already! ==

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I'm not so sure that a Gen V game has to start its Route numbering system from 301 just because Hoenn and Sinnoh use a similar method. A Gen V or so game could actually link two previously known regions. There are still Routes 47-100 and Routes 135-200 still unaccounted for. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Not only is there no precedent or fundamental reason to believe it will be the case, the contrary is more likely to occur. Hoenn and Sinnoh are based on Kyushu and Hokkaido, respectively, which are the only islands in Japan - other than Honshu - arguably big enough to be adapted as regions. By this I am suggesting that Generation V is more likely to revisit Honshu, of which there are plenty of as-yet unexplored territories. If that were to happen, the numbering system would no doubt pick up from Route 47, regardless of whether Kanto or Johto were included in the game.
Some might also argue that Shikoku, which is another Japanese island, is not too small to serve as the basis of a new region. Supposing that they had a point, the numbering system would still be likely to pick up either from Route 47 or Route 135, due to Shikoku's proximity to both Honshu (in particular the area encompassed in Johto) and Kyushu.
Those are really the only possibilities involving Japan, and the pattern does suggest that Generation V will be based there. It is important to remember that the transition to Hoenn and then to Sinnoh entailed exploring new territories far enough from previous regions. Now that both Hoenn and Sinnoh are familiar places, that can no longer be done within Japan. -Unown Lord 13:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I think it's more to discourage people from being "LOL JOTOE IZ IN RUBBY N SAFIRE" and "LOL HOEN IZ IN DAIMIND N PERL". Though I do agree, they could go and hit whatever's north of Kanto and Johto next time around... the problem would be whether or not to link back to those two or not to. TTEchidna 19:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
They should just go ahead and create a 3-D console game like the Orre series and have all the known game regions present. At least the main series regions. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 19:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


The article mentions Pikachu and Raichu being in Generation Five's regional dex, because it has been like that in all previous generations. What about the evolutionary lines of Geodude, Abra, Zubat (minus Crobat), Machop, Psyduck, and Goldeen? They've all been present in every game, so why not mention them too? --Nostalgia 17:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I think only Pikachu is mentioned because it's the "mascot" of the series. It has more of a probability of being in the next game. Then again, Magikarp and Tentacool are also mentioned... ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 18:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
If the next Generation of Pokémon games didn't have the Pikachu family in them I don't think anyone would buy them!- unsigned comment from Taromon777 (talkcontribs)
of course they would buy them. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 18:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


Is it possible that 2 new eeveelutions will be introduced when you consider Gen II and IV both introduced 2 new eeveelutions each (Espeon & Umbreon and Leafeon and Glaceon)?BlueGasMask 01:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

what about Gen III? none. so, no. -- MAGNEDETH 01:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
If we see new ones in Gen V, I'd bet on a couple more in Gen VI, but until we have a pattern we ought not. TTEchidna 04:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
If the Eeveelutions "pattern" continued in Gen V, then we would either see no new Eeveelutions (Gen II added 2, Gen III added none, Gen IV added 2) or only a Dragon-type Eeveelution (as all of Eevee's current evolved forms are types that were considered "Special" prior to Gen IV; technically, however, this would break the pattern, as only 1 new "Special"-type would be introduced, rather than the usual 2). Hopefully they will begin to create Eeveelutions based off of the types that were previously "Physical"; I'd really like to see a Steel, Fighting, or Ghost-type Eeveelution (Bug...not so much). Diachronos 16:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
If they do invent new Eeveelutions I dread to think how unimaginative their names will be! There will probably be a Dragon-type one called Drageon or something. - unsigned comment from Taromon777 (talkcontribs)
How about Dracoleon? Draco IS greek for Dragon. -The REAL Dialga 15:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Generation V

Scince today there was the hinting of Generation V Pokémon, should a Generation V article be made to confirm the release of more to the story? ----digletdude

That's what I'm thinking. We might need to start one out. ~Toastypk - Loom. 21:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I was about to say the same thing...I just realized it.--Tavisource 03:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Maybe no now, we have to wait. K.J.Boring 05:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
We need an article for it, for sure, but there is no information whatsoever about it. At this point, all it'd be is speculation, which is rather pointless in the grand scheme of things. Either speculation or a couple of sentences about the picture.--Nostalgia 03:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I for one, say that we wait untill this 'new' Pokémon actually makes its debut --Manga-in-a-bottle 03:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Or ,maybe just redirect? If that doesn't happen already, that is. The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 10:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Turns out to be pichu, guess we dont need a generation V article after all. ----digletdude
And I had it all prepared, too. TTEchidna 19:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

YAY, I LOVE PICHU MORE THEN EVER NOW, if they started introducing gen 5, it would seriously limit chacnes of GSDS.

SO PICHU WE LOVE YOU!! --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

That was my main worry too! I was so relieved when I found out it was Pichu! Although, it seems strange that they'd block out this Pichu unless it was of importance. Perhaps its Ash's Pikachu's child! Gastlys mama 17:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

That would be brilliant. [s]And he could give it to me.[/s] And it could know Volt Tackle and then go with Ash's Pikachu to use Double Volt Tackle killing off Arceus.

But what I think it is, is remember Dialga controls time, so could end up taking Ash and gang to the past. So maybe its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu. --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

No, anime is Pokémon's biggest marketing tool and Pichu was a Gen II Pokémon. I have a funny feeling the GSDS is on the way. But those ear markings are odd, like its Pichu's other form . -- Clarky13 21:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Y cant our points both be correct. Its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu, and they are using it to advertise GSDS. --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

I guess so. Either way, its still very mysterious. -- Clarky13 23:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

There WILL be a next Generation of Pokemon. In a GameInformer issue they had an interveiw with one of the Diamond/Pearl creators and confirmed it.- LolBot, # 18:10:56 (UTC)

The system

In the article it states that the games of the new generation came out on the newest Nintendo handheld system. considering that the DSi is coming out soon, should this rapid the chances of Gen 5 coming out sooner, or delaying it waiting for the next, next handheld system like we waited for the DS Lite handheld? Ths proves that the new Gen did not came out on the next Handheld sytem-or did I read it wrong...Pyles 22:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Most people don't interpret the DSi as a new system, simply another upgrade to the DS. We don't even know if there'll be DSi-exclusive games yet; if so, they'd probably only be so for using the camera or something, not because they're too powerful for a vanilla DS. --Marton(I'm Jewish)imos 22:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Like, they didn't create a new Pokémon game for the Game Boy SP, the games that came out after it(FrLg and Emerald) wer for the GBA. The same is going to go for the DS and the DSi. Kiryu 20:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Quality of this article

Isn't good. It isn't up to any standard of quality. It reads more like an editorial or some other kind of opinion piece than an encyclopedic one. Given that, what can we do to fix it? I think we can only really say that nothing has been announced, yet. -- evkl (need to talk?) 05:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Stale Comment reply!: Right now, all it is is a list of things we know will happen or we think will happen. We might add a couple of pictures, but I can see how it would be hard to incorporate them. But with the latest news, it looks like we're not seeing Gen V games until mid-late 2010 in Japan, and early-mid 2011 everywhere else. However, by August of this year, we'll most likely have at least the Munchlax of Gen V and we can pretty much copy this article over to a rough Gen V page. Aura-Knight 17:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
This article is basically a list of patterns through the game series and that's all it ever can be. As I said below, actual Gen V information would go on the Gen V pages. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 19:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

(Very!) Random Trivia

I've noticed something very interesting about the introduction of new Generations. One or more Pokémon from the next Generation are always revealed in the movie that features the last Pokémon in the current Generation. This has happened three times, and could well happen again:

  • Pokémon the First Movie - Features Mewtwo and Mew, the last Gen I Pokémon - Introduces Marill, Snubbull and Donphan
  • Pokémon 4ever - Features Celebi, the last Gen II Pokémon - Introduces Wailmer and Azurill
  • Destiny Deoxys - Features Deoxys, the last Gen III Pokémon - Introduces Munchlax

In the first two cases, those were not the first Pokémon of the new Gen to be revealed, and most of them were in Pikachu shorts, but it's still quite an interesting thing to note. If this pattern continues, then there could be one or more Gen V Pokémon in the twelfth movie (or its Pikachu short), as it features Arceus, the last Gen IV Pokémon. Is this worth mentioning in the article, or is it just useless trivia? Taromon777 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Probably not worth mentioning if they weren't the first, but that does seem to be good research. The Dark Fiddler - 10% Satisfaction Guaranteed! 20:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Worth it in my opinion, although most people already believe at least one will appear. Aura-Knight 20:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
So the movie's out tomorrow and we haven't heard anything. There goes that pattern. I was honestly expecting the pattern to be second movie in a generation but for whatever reason Nintendo are staying silent on the Gen V front for now. Might be the new policy of not revealing too much until it's almost done or might just be them dragging out the time between new gens. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 19:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the time it took Nintendo to reveal the Gen IV Pokémon was ridiculous (at least two years wasn't it?). I'd rather they just revealed them all within a space of a few months. Surely there has to be Gen V Pokémon in the thirteenth movie... Taromon777 10:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


Heres something I noticed Kanto seems to be the centre with Johto to the west, Hoenn to the south and Sinnoh to the north. This suggests that gen 5 will be to the east of Kanto to me. Psycho Mick 23:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Take a look at the main picture of the article. There's nothing to the east of Kanto. This should belong on the forums anyway. ~ overgrownsol 23:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


I just noticed something that I don't think is there. My theory is, if there is a game set in generation five, they will have a trio and if they make a generation six then there will be the trio's master in those games. Just look here; Gen I: Birds, Gen II: Lugia, Gen III: Regis, Gen IV: Regigigas.

Does anyone agree with me? --KelsUsedSplash 01:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Good idea, I think that should be mentioned!--I'm Pokelova(Talk) 01:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Two cases isn't a pattern. Note that the trios of Gen II and Gen IV had their masters introduced in the same generation. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 15:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
So maybe that pattern will carry on!
I: Trio
II: Trio and two trio masters.
III: Trio
IV: Trio and two trio masters
V: Trio
VI: Trio and two trio masters
--I'm Pokelova(Talk) 05:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
And if it does, we can say that after Gen VI comes out. But based on the data we have right now, we can't call it a pattern. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 12:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


If Magnemite's included, why not Rhyhorn?--Gou 17:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Generation 5 Spoiler?

I have no clue if this is correct so I wanted to run it by you guys. Here is the link for the place I found it.
I promise you it isn't anything bad, I'm not that kind of person, nor that dumb. --Lustre 06:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't trust it it's full of bullshit. Something you may expect from the trolls at Y!A--☆Coolピカチュウ! 06:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Exactly. Girtoo thats funny. Anyways untill we get the proof , this will be spectaculation and so we cant put it here. --Prongs (TalkContributions) 06:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Alright guys thanks a bunch. I didn't think they would finish the pokemon games without giving Eevee all of the types evolutions. --Lustre 18:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Ah, the ol' "my [insert family member here] works on [insert game here] and told me exclusive information" BS. It's always 100% fake. Also, when we do get info from reliable sources, it would go on the relevant Gen V pages rather than here. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 12:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm wondering what could be the artwork of the new Eeveelutions, i think ZYPIN would be cool if it is confirmed....same goes with the other Regi-form..we cant trust maybe GEN.5 pokedex will appear before the Diamond and Pearl series ends..."AngelGuardian" 09:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually we can definitely expect a gen V, since in pt. the multi linguistic man has a plaque in his house which says he visited 150 foreign lands, so we can expect quite alot.--Nobody777 07:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Make it already!

I'm getting really mad. I will blow up it someone don't type an article about G5 in 5...4...3...2...1....1 1/2...1 1/4...1 1/8... just someone make and article for my sake!!!!--The Bulb's Master 13:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Uhh... dude. No confirmation of generation. No article. Calm down and go and do something else. —darklordtrom 22:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I kinda notice something.

Before a new generation starts, the last movie in the generation involves water. Movie 2-Lugia Generation 1 Movie [email protected] Generation 2 Movie 9-Manaphy Generation 3 Only guessing Movie 13-Lugia Generation 4 It's not that big of trivia or anything, I just noticed it.--Midnight Blue 11:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

[email protected] aren't Water. Their Psychic /Flying. You've also have to take into account, MB, that movie 13 hasn't been cofirmed to star Lugia (or that it'll be the last gen. IV movie, for that matter). ShinyPika
MB said that they involve water, not that the main Pokémon are Water-types. But still. That isn't something that should go in. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
@ShinyPikachu: Um. [email protected] are Dragon/Psychic. E-123 - Ω ナックルズ 22:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

About Arceus

"The legendary pokemon are more powerful in new generations. With Arceus as the god Pokemon of the universe, it would be hard to make a stronger one." I HATE this argument. Just because it is credited with creating everything does NOT make it omnipotent, or unsurpassable in any other way. Technically, it's only been known to do one thing, and that's creating other pokemon (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf) which in turn did all the work of creating the universe. And it's arguable that legendary pokemon are mor powerful in each generation (until Arceus, I don't think even the base stats of them were ever improved upon much-- are Groudon and Kyogre that much more powerful than Ho-oh and Lugia?). I'd say their powers and range of influence are just made "cooler", and I doubt Game Freak would be at a loss for that-- Many other fundamental aspects of the universe still have no legendary pokemon to call their own, like life and death. I'm not saying that this argument should be deleted from this page; after all, this is about the fandom, and many fans have the opinion "ARceuS Is gOD!!!1! ZOmG GameFreaKs caNT FoLlow Taht up!!!1!!!!!111!" I just think it should be rephrased, maybe as "Some people argue that because Arceus created the Pokemon world, Gamefreak would have difficulty making a more awesome pokemon next generation in order to maintain interest in the franchise." Something like that. Any thoughts? --AndyPKMN 23:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree, who said, in the current generation, there has to be stronger pokémon then the last.--Midnight Blue 23:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
The whole article is fanspeculation. It is a valid argument, and I've rephrased the whole entire section to make it somewhat more encyclopedic. —darklordtrom 07:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Wow, that's much better. Even I couldn't have phrased it that well! Thanks! --AndyPKMN 19:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I dont think that arceus is directly referred to as a god but his ability to create the three dietic dragons and the three lake gaurdians make his ability DIVINE(like all other legendaries), so there's no point of dubbing him as a god. And that would be offensive to religions, so nintendo would've thought of that point before approving of arceus'release to the fourth generation.--Nobody777 18:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

It is not stated as such any more. —darklordtrom 19:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I believe somewhere in Gen IV they mention people worshipping Dialga, Palkia, and Arceus as gods. It might be Cynthia's grannie I'm thinking of, but she says that Dialga and Palkia were "revered as dieties" or something like that. R.A. Hunter Blade 23:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

that is exactly what i'm saying, 'revered as dieties' but not actual gods, but actually the sinnoh myth is based on shinto which might possibly have been confusing for the pokémon community.--Nobody777 17:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

But diety refers to gods, or somthing/someone on the level of a god. If you can find a meaning that's different, then please do. R.A. Hunter Blade 13:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm no longer arguing that it isn't a "god" (as the word itself is quite vague. All I was saying is that the assumption that Game Freak won't be able to come up with something more powerful, as well as the assumption that they have to with each new generation, are both misconceptions. And again, as this is about the fandom's opinion, and many are of the belief that Nintendo has to do both of these things to make a new generation (and that they couldn't if they wanted to), I think the amended wording suits it fine. - unsigned comment from AndyPKMN (talkcontribs)
Further discussion on this topic at Bulbawiki forums please. Comments below this line will be deleted. —darklordtrom 20:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

page is messed up

I suggest rearranging the page into several sections or put into a table--Nobody777 13:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


there could be a future Generation starting off at Route 49 getting rid of that LONG gap between Route 48 and Route 101--Darknesslover5000 17:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

if the gap between routes complete a full number sequence, that means that between johto and hoenn there are most probably two generations, between hoenn and sinnoh there are about four generations, of course if I take this if each region has about 27 playable routes, of course its an assumption but good point to be mentioned if the numbering counts. yet there's the problem of the pokémon world's route numbering system which could exist as some kind of government policy, if it exists.--Nobody777 13:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention that, if a new generation's country includes a route number starting right after the last route number of another country, that would heavily imply that said other country is accessible in the game. For example, if Generation V's country were to begin at Route 49, that would imply that at least Johto is accessible in the main games of that generation. Hoenn began at 101, Sinnoh began at 201, and the Sevii Islands did not number their routes, all to avoid these implications.
(For the record, yes, there is a precedent for Route 47 going west from Cianwood when Route 46 is on the eastern side of the country. The precedent is Kanto's Route 24, north of Cerulean while Route 23 is on the west side of the country.) - unsigned comment from Shiningpikablu252 (talkcontribs)
um... what's a precedent?--Darknesslover5000 02:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
and I still say that they can fix that long @$$ gap between Johto and Hoenn's region number's without making Johto accessible. The excuse? A land Bridge between Johto and Hypothetical Generation V region that vanished over time.--Darknesslover5000 02:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

There could also be no more Pokémon games. The moral of the story is we base our information on the trends of recent games, not what a handful of fans think is possible. Because anything's possible. Even an elephant bird (ten points for getting the reference). —darklordtrom 02:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

true. But there are some people (like me) that are insane about Pokémon. If the series is stopped we will band togéther to attack nintendo. There's still SO much Nintendo can put into Pokémon. And besides it makes them money. I don't think they'll end it yet.--Darknesslover5000 02:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Further discussion on this topic at Bulbawiki forums please. Comments below this line will be deleted. —darklordtrom 20:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


Should we mention that TPCi hinted at a next generation on Twitter in the article?--ポケモン恋人(離す)(貢献) 02:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, Trom protected the page 'cos he wants to rewrite it.--ポケモン恋人(離す)(貢献) 02:46, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


Why is this still protected? Is it because there might be other claims of Generation V? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 14:06, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

No, it's because I forgot to unprotect it. —darklordtrom 21:39, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


I largely agree with trom's reasoning that we needed to rewrite this page, but am concerned that we are losing a lot of information by doing this transition so suddenly. I certainly feel that any of the "evidence" sections, we retain on other pages, and that it's easy to find on those pages. As for the format, I'd advocate a few more bulleted lists, as I think it is easier to pick out on the page than a whole load of prose to wade through. I know you had good intentions though trom :) Kidburla 19:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

If you feel I removed anything of importance, then feel free to put it back in. I did think that some items listed were overtrivialised, so I took them out. As for the format, the sections with paragraphs is generally preferred for overall article quality. Thanks for your feedback. —darklordtrom 11:09, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Okay so I agree that most articles should have sections and paragraphs, but I contest that this is a "normal" article. It reads more like a list, which has been converted to a formatted article (which incidentally is basically what has happened). Perhaps instead, some of this content should be migrated to a "List of patterns common to all Pokémon games" and then merely referenced from this article? Kidburla 18:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
This page was better before the rewrite. Put the evidence back in. Emyunoxious 01:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
No, I disagree; it looks much cleaner and more professional now, while the old version was fairly jumbled. If you want to add old information, at least put it in a more organized manner than before. MagicBarrier 05:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)