Talk:Elio (game)

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Should this be moved to something like Sun (player character)? Sun (game) makes it sound like it's about the game, not the character from the game. The series' tendency to name its main characters the same as its games is a little bit bothersome, at times. Xolroc (talk) 02:24, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

On second thought, never mind. This follows the same pattern as articles like Blue (game) and Gold (game) (the latter a redirect to Ethan (game)).Xolroc (talk) 02:26, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
If I'm remembering correctly, it used to be "game character", but was shortened for simplicity. It is a little confusing, though. Nutter Butter (talk) 02:29, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
I agree that it's a little confusing, but it seems to be the best option we have at the moment. The same-name notice at the top of the article should be sufficient enough to direct visitors to the correct place. --Pokemaster97 02:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


Just wanted to point out that "Kai" is also a possible reading of "海" (sea/ocean), such as in "pirate" (海賊 kaizoku) or "sea king" (海王 kaiō). Ratcicle Fan (talk) 14:41, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


In the Aether Paradise, it is revealed that the player character is "around 11 years old." Thought I'd mention it first instead of just adding it. Kyurem's Ice Blade 03:33, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


Sun is the only player character to not have a hometown, living in a route instead for the fist time in a core series game in the pokémon franchise.--Robin Maximo (talk) 20:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Kai and Lana

If there is internal data in the games that calls the player characters of S/M Kai and Lana, then why on Earth aren't we calling them that? That's what we do for the female PC of FR/LG. We call her Leaf based entirely on the data in the game code. Ericss (talk) 12:10, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Leaf is also one of her optional names in English, while カイ and ラナ are not used anywhere else, and never in English. This has also been discussed here. --Abcboy (talk) 12:30, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
The name Leaf is not just restricted to the PC - it is also available to the PC (the first four optional names for the FR/LG PC, regardless of gender, are: Green, Red, Leaf, Fire). SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 23:36, 24 June 2018 (UTC)


I thought his name was Elio. Someone should fix that. C3kids (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

It's already noted in the Trivia section. --超龍Chao 02:57, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

USUM Images

Can an autoconfirmed user please add the new USUM art here if that's okay? It's available on the official site. Elbunnies (talk) 13:27, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Move and split

May I please rename the page and split it if that's okay? SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 23:04, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

For those of us who aren't in the know, can you explain where you've come up with the names "Ray" and "Ailey"? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:12, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
They're from here against this. Kai * the Arc Toraph 01:13, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Is there any evidence to suggest they're new, separate characters rather than just the same old characters using a new set of promotional names? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 01:25, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Official website states that they have changed to new outfits, which implies that they're the same. Besides, it's still premature to make such changes from pre-release information. This isn't any different from Blair/Whitlea, Xavier/Yvonne, Orlando/Anna... --超龍Chao 01:45, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
It actually is different, to be fair. Ray and Ailey are, at the very least, the current officially-used names, the previous promotional names having fallen into disuse, and there isn't even an alternate option for each this time. That is to say, they aren't any less valid than Sun and Moon and happen to be currently in use while the latter names are not. We should also consider the fact that, this time, they were also given specific non-version Japanese names, which didn't happen for Blair/Whitlea (Kuro/Shiro), Xavier/Yvonne (X/Y) or Orlando/Anna (Omega/Alpha). - Taylor (talk) 01:57, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Still, the games are not even out yet, so we can't be certain that they are the default names. As such, Ray and Ailey will be treated as names used in pre-release media until further notice. --超龍Chao 06:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Why do you try to move the page to Ailey instead of Selene, even Japanese uses different names (Mitzuki, the official name, and Koumi)? (Of course this does not mean they are different roles.) E9310103838 (talk) 02:20, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Why? It seems like "Sun" and "Ray" are still going to be the same character. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:35, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I say we leave the article as is. It’s obvious now that the player characters of both Sun & Moon and Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon are the same characters. They have the same mom, same house, sale everything. They just updated their look like they did with third versions and remakes in the past. Toolen (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

See my discussion below and here for why the articles should not be renamed from Sun (and Moon). In summary, a PC has no official name unless he/she has an NPC role (either in the same games or later). SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 23:58, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Noteworthy? First game character (alongside Moon) to be named after their game after Red

Is it noteworthy (in the Trivia section) that Sun and Moon are the first player characters since the first Generation's Red to be named after one of their games? - MxFlix (talk) 11:16, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't know what staff will say, but we don't usually do "first since" (aka "drought") trivia except on anime pages. Everywhere else, it typically has to actually be the first thing ever in order to be notable. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 15:57, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
And Ethan was named in HeartGold and SoulSilver ten years after Gold and Silver, so no. Oh, do you mean named the same as the title of their games? Not really notable when Ethan was known in those ten years as Gold, and the names Sun and Moon aren't really official. Nope, don't think so. SeanWheeler (talk) 23:39, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


It's pretty much official his name is Ray. Why didn't we already renamed this article? If so, can I do it? Same with Moon, who is actually named Ailey. - unsigned comment from Trainer Ray (talkcontribs)

Neither the ♂ male nor the ♀ female character has an official name per se, because neither of them has an NPC role in the games. The only reason Ethan, Lyra, Brendan, May, Lucas, Dawn, Hilbert, Hilda, Nate, Rosa, Calem, and Serena have such official names is because of their NPC roles when you choose their opposite gender as PC in their respective games; Red and Blue have such official names because of their NPC roles in Gold/Silver/Crystal/etc. So no, let's not rename this article based merely on merchandising practices going on - their provisional fan-assigned names are just OK in the meantime, so long as they are labeled as such (as is being done with Leaf and Silver). Also discussed it here. SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 23:48, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

11 years old.

He is 11 years old. Why is it listed as 11-14?- unsigned comment from Trainer Ray (talkcontribs)