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:I'll note that the official trailers/site/etc. ''don't'' call it "Pokémon: Detective Pikachu", but "POKÉMON Detective Pikachu" instead. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 15:09, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
:I'll note that the official trailers/site/etc. ''don't'' call it "Pokémon: Detective Pikachu", but "POKÉMON Detective Pikachu" instead. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 15:09, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
::It could be written as <code>Pokémon: Detective Pikachu (stylized as POKéMON: Detective Pikachu)</code> or maybe directly in uppercase letters. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">PikaTepig999</span>]] 15:35, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
::It could be written as <code>Pokémon: Detective Pikachu (stylized as POKéMON: Detective Pikachu)</code> or maybe directly in uppercase letters. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">PikaTepig999</span>]] 15:35, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
:::I agree with this, Pokémon: Detective Pikachu is a much better title than Detective Pikachu (movie) since we've gotten an official title. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 03:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
::::Sorry to bump this really old discussion, but I '''agree''' that this move should be made. - [[User:BthrussellUK|bthrussellUK]] ([[User Talk:BthrussellUK|talk]]) 18:45, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::Same here. I like {{U|PikaTepig999}}'s intro suggestion too. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:16, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::I know this is a very old discussion, but given that this move hasn't been done for a long time already (which I question the long discussion about said page move), I would '''support''' a move to '''Pokémon Detective Pikachu'''. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 08:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
== Profanity trivia ==
I'll just say it flat-out. Trivia has a bunch of random interesting facts. Distribution rights changing hands is a random interesting fact. References to the anime is a random interesting fact. References to Smash is a random interesting fact. Pikachu's voice actor in Hungary is a random interesting fact. Ludicolo's voice actor is a random interesting fact. What makes the fact that this movie gets to be the first to drop the h-bomb not a random interesting fact? [[User:Infernape612|Infernape612]] ([[User talk:Infernape612|talk]]) 01:38, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
:It's just a word.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 04:18, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
::Just a word that would instantly get a film bumped up from G to PG or a video game from E to E10+. It's interesting and notable. [[User:Infernape612|Infernape612]] ([[User talk:Infernape612|talk]]) 04:49, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
:::So? It's making a big deal out of nothing, really.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:50, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
::::By that logic, all of the trivia could be erased. What makes them notable but not profanity? [[User:Infernape612|Infernape612]] ([[User talk:Infernape612|talk]]) 06:51, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
== Attempting to move article to "Pokémon: Detective Pikachu" ==
So I'm attempting to move this page as to change the name of it to whatever you guys want it to be, but have no way of moving it.
Can somebody help me move this to that page title or no? I'd like it to follow the suggested Pokémon Detective Pikachu name as much as possible, with no worries whatsoever. [[User:Pokemaniac196|Pokemaniac196]] ([[User talk:Pokemaniac196|talk]]) 18:02, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
: As it says, it's been suggested, not that we are going to move it. The article is protected so only staff members can move it pending the decision. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 07:45, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
== Ryan Reynolds page ==
Can I create a Bulbapedia page for Ryan Reynolds? I got like a good picture for him. [[User:NoobMaster96|NoobMaster96]] ([[User talk:NoobMaster96|talk]]) 20:49, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
== External links ==
Hi,
the main external links is dead and has been repurposed by someone else. can it be marked as dead link? [[User:Mike V|Mike V]] ([[User talk:Mike V|talk]]) 19:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
:I've replaced it with an archived link instead. However, it seems the archived version only includes the initial loading screen: the interactive elements of the site do not appear. --[[User:Boblers|Boblers]] ([[User talk:Boblers|talk]]) 20:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
== Move ==
The proposal to move this article to '''Pokémon Detective Pikachu''' has what appears to be unanimous support, with 2 support votes back when it was first proposed in 2019 and 3 additional support votes in 2020 and 2021, so I thought I'd circle back to this by saying I also support the move, barring any new information I'm missing that suggests we shouldn't. This brings the total number of support votes to 6, with 0 against. Please let me know your thoughts! [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 06:04, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
:I think it's a fair move. It has the potential to make the links to this page easier to differentiate from the character and the game, and is in line with how we treat other broadcasts, like [[Pokémon: Twilight Wings]] and [[Pokémon Generations]]. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 06:37, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
::Where should we move this page anyway? because from what i can tell there's at least 3 different spellings of the title:
::*The official press site calls it "'''POKÉMON Detective Pikachu'''".
::*A ton of third party websites like Wikipedia and IMDB call it "'''Pokémon: Detective Pikachu'''".
::*Google Play and Netflix call it "'''Pokémon Detective Pikachu'''" (without the colon).
::Should we capitalize "POKÉMON" or nah? And do we add the colon or nah? '''[[User:Anzasquiddles|{{color|4488FC|Anzasquiddles}}]]''' <small>2222(:D)SSSS</small> ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 08:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
::::I'm leaning towards '''Pokémon Detective Pikachu'''. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#00d1bc">'''Land'''</span>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#006699"><small>'''fish7'''</small></span>]] 04:20, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::I'm suggesting '''Pokémon Detective Pikachu''' (Title case and no colon) as well. This will make it easier to work with all of BP's existing link templates. The intro line can say ''stylized as POKÉMON Detective Pikachu or Pokémon: Detective Pikachu''. → [[User:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">Pika</span>]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">Tepig</span>]][[Special:Contribs/PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">999</span>]] 02:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::My philosophy for conflicting titles is that whatever is on the product should take priority for the article title, and any other titles can be listed as alternates. I'll note that I don't apply this same logic to the colon—the official logo has a line break, which can be converted to either a space or a colon when displayed in plaintext.
::::::So since the official logo (used on posters, art on streaming sites, DVDs, etc.) uses "Pokémon" rather than "POKÉMON", that would indicate we should be using the lowercase variant as the title. However, it also appears that [https://cover.box3.net/newsimg/dvdmov/max1565913575-frontback-cover.jpg the reverse of the DVD/Blu-ray cover] calls it "POKÉMON Detective Pikachu", which for me would usually be the definitive source-of-truth. Given the fact that the streaming services seem to use lowercase, I'm willing to defer to them (and the logo) in this case, and go for "Pokémon Detective Pikachu". (I cannot see much support for "Pokémon: Detective Pikachu" in official sources however, so I do not think we should use that.)
::::::As a sidenote, what is "easier" for Bulbapedia templates should never factor into these kind of decisions. The titles of the Let's Go games are a huge pain due to how differently structured they are to other game titles, but we still use them because those are the official titles. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:37, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::For the record, discussion amongst staff has brought to light that game logos don't necessarily dictate the formatting when typed out, which indicates that, since official sources use '''POKÉMON Detective Pikachu''', that's what we should use. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#00d1bc">'''Land'''</span>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#006699"><small>'''fish7'''</small></span>]] 20:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::In reply to SM, I meant that using Title case has the added benefit of being easy to use with BP templates, on top of all the evidence like the logo, title used on streaming services, etc. But if you guys want to go ahead with POKÉMON Detective Pikachu, I went back and looked at the websites, they also seem to write POKEMON in all caps. [https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/pokemon-detective-pikachu-in-theaters-now] [https://www.detectivepikachuthemovie.com/] → [[User:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">Pika</span>]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">Tepig</span>]][[Special:Contribs/PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">999</span>]] 20:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
{{indent}} If necessary, we could always make a {{bp|link templates|link template}}. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#00d1bc">'''Land'''</span>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#006699"><small>'''fish7'''</small></span>]] 21:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
:Yeah, as Landfish7 stated, it seems that first-party sources (the DVD cover, official websites, press releases, official social media, etc.) seem to use "POKÉMON Detective Pikachu" fairly consistently. Whereas streaming sites are still third-party sources, so less definitive for titles when there is a dispute. So I think relying on the DVD cover over streaming services does make more sense. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 01:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
::Since there seem to be no objections, will it be okay to complete the move? → [[User:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">Pika</span>]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">Tepig</span>]][[Special:Contribs/PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">999</span>]] 23:12, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Now that the renaming of the game has also been completed, when will this movie article be moved to its correct title? → [[User:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">Pika</span>]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">Tepig</span>]][[Special:Contribs/PikaTepig999|<span style="color:#000;">999</span>]] 21:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:22, 12 December 2023

wrong link

The article links to the page of the wrong Paul Kitson, a retired british soccer player, on wikipedia. A page for the correct person does not seem to exist, possibly because it didn't meet their notability requirements(though as he has a role in a high-profile movie, he may now qualify.)

So it does, though the table is constructed in such a way that it can't not link anywhere, unfortunatelly. Though, when/if they make that article on Wikipedia we can link it right, until then I'm afraid it has to stay this way, unless someone in the staff changes how the table works which I don't think will happen to be honest since that eould require a lot of clean up on other articles since that template is widely used. --Raltseye prata med mej 23:05, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Move to "Pokémon: Detective Pikachu"

The official title of this movie, as referenced by the trailers, IMDB info, etc, is Pokémon: Detective Pikachu. Shouldn't the page be moved there? → PikaTepig999 15:03, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

I'll note that the official trailers/site/etc. don't call it "Pokémon: Detective Pikachu", but "POKÉMON Detective Pikachu" instead. --Abcboy (talk) 15:09, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
It could be written as Pokémon: Detective Pikachu (stylized as POKéMON: Detective Pikachu) or maybe directly in uppercase letters. → PikaTepig999 15:35, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree with this, Pokémon: Detective Pikachu is a much better title than Detective Pikachu (movie) since we've gotten an official title. --Raltseye prata med mej 03:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Sorry to bump this really old discussion, but I agree that this move should be made. - bthrussellUK (talk) 18:45, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Same here. I like PikaTepig999's intro suggestion too. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:16, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
I know this is a very old discussion, but given that this move hasn't been done for a long time already (which I question the long discussion about said page move), I would support a move to Pokémon Detective Pikachu. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 08:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Profanity trivia

I'll just say it flat-out. Trivia has a bunch of random interesting facts. Distribution rights changing hands is a random interesting fact. References to the anime is a random interesting fact. References to Smash is a random interesting fact. Pikachu's voice actor in Hungary is a random interesting fact. Ludicolo's voice actor is a random interesting fact. What makes the fact that this movie gets to be the first to drop the h-bomb not a random interesting fact? Infernape612 (talk) 01:38, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

It's just a word.--ForceFire 04:18, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Just a word that would instantly get a film bumped up from G to PG or a video game from E to E10+. It's interesting and notable. Infernape612 (talk) 04:49, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
So? It's making a big deal out of nothing, really.--ForceFire 05:50, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
By that logic, all of the trivia could be erased. What makes them notable but not profanity? Infernape612 (talk) 06:51, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Attempting to move article to "Pokémon: Detective Pikachu"

So I'm attempting to move this page as to change the name of it to whatever you guys want it to be, but have no way of moving it.

Can somebody help me move this to that page title or no? I'd like it to follow the suggested Pokémon Detective Pikachu name as much as possible, with no worries whatsoever. Pokemaniac196 (talk) 18:02, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

As it says, it's been suggested, not that we are going to move it. The article is protected so only staff members can move it pending the decision. --Spriteit (talk) 07:45, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Ryan Reynolds page

Can I create a Bulbapedia page for Ryan Reynolds? I got like a good picture for him. NoobMaster96 (talk) 20:49, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

External links

Hi, the main external links is dead and has been repurposed by someone else. can it be marked as dead link? Mike V (talk) 19:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I've replaced it with an archived link instead. However, it seems the archived version only includes the initial loading screen: the interactive elements of the site do not appear. --Boblers (talk) 20:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Move

The proposal to move this article to Pokémon Detective Pikachu has what appears to be unanimous support, with 2 support votes back when it was first proposed in 2019 and 3 additional support votes in 2020 and 2021, so I thought I'd circle back to this by saying I also support the move, barring any new information I'm missing that suggests we shouldn't. This brings the total number of support votes to 6, with 0 against. Please let me know your thoughts! Landfish7 06:04, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

I think it's a fair move. It has the potential to make the links to this page easier to differentiate from the character and the game, and is in line with how we treat other broadcasts, like Pokémon: Twilight Wings and Pokémon Generations. MaverickNate 06:37, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Where should we move this page anyway? because from what i can tell there's at least 3 different spellings of the title:
  • The official press site calls it "POKÉMON Detective Pikachu".
  • A ton of third party websites like Wikipedia and IMDB call it "Pokémon: Detective Pikachu".
  • Google Play and Netflix call it "Pokémon Detective Pikachu" (without the colon).
Should we capitalize "POKÉMON" or nah? And do we add the colon or nah? Anzasquiddles 2222(:D)SSSS (talk) 08:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm leaning towards Pokémon Detective Pikachu. Landfish7 04:20, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm suggesting Pokémon Detective Pikachu (Title case and no colon) as well. This will make it easier to work with all of BP's existing link templates. The intro line can say stylized as POKÉMON Detective Pikachu or Pokémon: Detective Pikachu. → PikaTepig999 02:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
My philosophy for conflicting titles is that whatever is on the product should take priority for the article title, and any other titles can be listed as alternates. I'll note that I don't apply this same logic to the colon—the official logo has a line break, which can be converted to either a space or a colon when displayed in plaintext.
So since the official logo (used on posters, art on streaming sites, DVDs, etc.) uses "Pokémon" rather than "POKÉMON", that would indicate we should be using the lowercase variant as the title. However, it also appears that the reverse of the DVD/Blu-ray cover calls it "POKÉMON Detective Pikachu", which for me would usually be the definitive source-of-truth. Given the fact that the streaming services seem to use lowercase, I'm willing to defer to them (and the logo) in this case, and go for "Pokémon Detective Pikachu". (I cannot see much support for "Pokémon: Detective Pikachu" in official sources however, so I do not think we should use that.)
As a sidenote, what is "easier" for Bulbapedia templates should never factor into these kind of decisions. The titles of the Let's Go games are a huge pain due to how differently structured they are to other game titles, but we still use them because those are the official titles. --SnorlaxMonster 11:37, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
For the record, discussion amongst staff has brought to light that game logos don't necessarily dictate the formatting when typed out, which indicates that, since official sources use POKÉMON Detective Pikachu, that's what we should use. Landfish7 20:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
In reply to SM, I meant that using Title case has the added benefit of being easy to use with BP templates, on top of all the evidence like the logo, title used on streaming services, etc. But if you guys want to go ahead with POKÉMON Detective Pikachu, I went back and looked at the websites, they also seem to write POKEMON in all caps. [1] [2]PikaTepig999 20:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

(resetting indent) If necessary, we could always make a link template. Landfish7 21:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, as Landfish7 stated, it seems that first-party sources (the DVD cover, official websites, press releases, official social media, etc.) seem to use "POKÉMON Detective Pikachu" fairly consistently. Whereas streaming sites are still third-party sources, so less definitive for titles when there is a dispute. So I think relying on the DVD cover over streaming services does make more sense. --SnorlaxMonster 01:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Since there seem to be no objections, will it be okay to complete the move? → PikaTepig999 23:12, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
Now that the renaming of the game has also been completed, when will this movie article be moved to its correct title? → PikaTepig999 21:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)