Talk:Dawn's Togekiss

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In DP172 Dawn describes Togekiss as being very older-sister-like, and Togekiss' speaking style (as translated by Meowth) is very feminine... would this be enough to consider it officially female, or do we need something more substantial than that? 梅子 19:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I would say it's not enough. Is Harley officially female? --ルレ 19:24, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Togekiss's speaking style is, in a way, even more feminine than Harley's, actually. 梅子 19:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
If Ash spoke with a feminine style, would you consider him female? We have had female characters in the past using male pronouns (which confused the heck out of Ash and co.), plus it could be a bit of a joke on Meowth's part for all we know. Until it's flat-out stated that Togekiss is female, we don't know if it is or not. See Pikachu for example. --ルレ 20:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
The way it's presented makes it pretty clear that it is not a joke and is a sincere representation of Togekiss' gender... I'm not really sure how to explain it, though. It's a nuance of the language that's not easily described. Let's wait for the input of some others before we write off the idea completely. 梅子 20:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I think I know exactly what you're talking about. Anabel used the masculine version of the language. Does that mean she's a guy? Also, gender roles aren't so solid anymore. Just because nuances of language were once associated with females doesn't mean they still are, especially in this day and age.
Pikachu acted like a guy for a long time before we finally caved in at the Togepi episode and confirmed him as male. Behavior and language are not acceptable reasons to declare someone male or female. Trust me, you're not going to get any of the admins to side with you. --ルレ 20:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Comparing Anabel and Harley to a Pokémon is ridiculous...They aren't the same thing, plus, its noticeable that both are of respective genders...If Togekiss acts like a female, has a feminine voice and mannerisms, it's basically female...--Psyライダー 20:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
But did we do it for Pikachu, Meowth, or any other Pokémon? I don't think so. We waited for them to be referred to as male or female in the original. --ルレ 20:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
There was a debate over Meowth's gender? Anyway, there's probably more evidence for it's Pokémon ability (Serene Grace).PDL 01:04, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Acting gracefully is not evidence for Serene Grace whatsoever. --HoennMaster 17:26, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
The point I'm making is that there's more evidence for that then there is evidence for it being female. (Besides, it doesn't appear to have Hustle...) PDL 01:48, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
It's the complete opposite. There is more evidence for it being female then its ability. --HoennMaster 06:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
You're still not getting it. Mannerisms alone will not determine anything. Regardless of either ability OR gender.PDL 17:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I never said they did. I said there is more evidence for it being female. I didn't say that confirms it. --HoennMaster 18:06, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I know it, the japanese voice states like his prevolutions! --Ash Ketchum Chile 14:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Um... what? This sentence doesn't make any sense. --ケンジガール 18:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Togekiss being female needs to be removed and replaced with gender unknown if it never explicitly stated Togekiss was female in the anime. Having a motherly instinct doesn't mean it's female. I mean, it could also have been a male Togekiss with a parental instinct. Misty has pictured Pikachu in dresses before and yet Pikachu is male so I think the Togekiss gender should be listed as unknown until explicitly stated in the anime. It's what we do for all the other Pokémon right? Should be no different from this one. (Was Togekiss comfirmed as female in the anime? If yes, then it can be left as is). --Brats817 02:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

We are not getting into this argument again. Togekiss is female. Period. The end. 梅子 03:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me?! Does that give you the right to be rude? That was my first time posting here, and besides, if Togekiss was never explicitly called female in the anime, it should say gender unknown until further notice, not posting fan speculation junk. And besides, answer my question, WAS Togekiss called a female in the anime flat out? Because I honestly am not 100 percent sure, and do not give me an answer that is just pure speculation. I do know that they said Togekiss had a sister-like personality, but they didn't explicitly say Togekiss was female in general, they were just stating Togekiss's nature. Behavior of the Pokemon should not be enough to call it a particular gender. (Unless the Pokémon has only one confirmed gender or is genderless) I am not trying to be rude or argue, only trying to confirm whether Togekiss was really called a female in the anime or if this is just speculation. You had no right to be rude, especially when you didn't even put an honest and true answer to my statements there. --Brats817 21:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)