Talk:Curse (move)

Translation

Just a thing: the translation of the Japanese name should be often the word it means... but since this move is a play on the fact that the same hiragana can mean multiple things... there you go. It's gonna be named as Noroi in Japanese. Do not do this with the other 466 moves. GOT IT? TTEchidna 11:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Replying to a very old comment, but after looking at the article, I disagree. The translation should be "Curse/Slow" or something like that, to illustrate the dual nature of the name. What we have now isn't a translation at all. Bikini Miltank 23:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Noroi is not a translation. That place is where actual translations belong, and "Curse/Slow" makes the most sense. Maybe even put a link to the trivia section (or make a new section for that trivia point and link to that instead) in the translation. --SnorlaxMonster 12:35, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Trivia

Can smeargle be ghost type by color change, because ghost type attacks do not harm smeargle.--Banetoid 21:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Say it gets hit by any other move first, THEN hit by a ghost type move, it will turn ghost type. ^Tyro! Talk to me! 21:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Wonder Guard

Will Curse (when performed by a Ghost-type) inflict damage to a Pokémon with Wonder Guard? If yes, what happens to a Shedinja, since it has only 1 HP? Will the damage be rounded up or down?--Afrael 13:42, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Most likely, because a Pokémon with Wonder Guard can still get hurt by a burn or poison. It would most likely faint, because unlike Substitute, a Pokémon can faint using the move Curse. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 13:58, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

To answer your second question, IIRC if the game attempts to manage a 'fractional' value for the amount of damage taken it is always rounded up. Shedinja would in theory lose 0.25 HP, but this would be rounded up to 1 HP. If a level 2 Pidgey uses Tackle on a level 100 Steelix it would lose 1 HP not a very small fractional amount of HP because the game can only work with whole integers - 0 damage (never normally used for attacks that hit) to 65535 damage which I think might have been changed to 6 bytes (16777215-1) in later games . Hope that helps. =] --Chickasaurus 14:19, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Normal Type

Does Curse in its new Ghost form affect normal type pokemon? I know it says the effect is the same but I think it should be clearer; ghost moves dont usually hit normal after all. PowerPlantRaichu 09:05, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

It works normally. Immunities are only for damage-dealing moves, not status moves. --SnorlaxMonster 14:58, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Why A Nail?

Is there any explanation why Curse is commonly shown as a nail being pounded into the user as well as the target? It's something I've always been curious about and hoped to learn more about in the Curse entry page.- unsigned comment from Joec (talk • contribs)

I believe it may be related to voodoo, unless there is some Japanese cultural thing that is a more likely origin. --SnorlaxMonster 16:13, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

It might be analogous to inserting nails into a voodoo doll!! Thiagovscoelho (talk) 23:51, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Baton Pass

Can the victim of the ghost variety of Curse (the nail through the head one) pass the effect off with Baton Pass? Dimenticare (talk) 23:29, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Pokémon Creepy Black

A move called "curse" is also a centrepiece in creepypasta regarding a cursed "black" version of Pokémon. Should it be mentioned here? What is the position of this wiki towards creepypasta? Thiagovscoelho (talk) 23:48, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

We do not add anything related to creepypasta as it is not relevant. They are just fan made games that are in no way official.--ForceFire 02:26, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Format Bold for Ghost-types

Since this move works differently for Ghost-types, would it be a good idea to format every Ghost-type with bold? Yes, one could see their type to determine that the move works differently for them, but much like how STAB moves get a bold even if one knows their type, it makes it easier for the reader to know that the move is different for certain Pokémon, in an exclusive way. Winstein (talk) 17:48, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Snatch

Curse is unaffected by Snatch because it lowers a stat. Is this relevant enough to add to trivia? UmbralHero (talk) 03:44, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

It's already noted in the main infobox that the move is not affected by Snatch, so I don't think it needs to be added twice. --ZestyCactus 03:47, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Gen VI Protean Users cursing selves

Am I suppose to explain on the article the reason for why a Pokémon who use Curse cursing themselves? Yamitora1 (talk) 23:21, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Also so far it would seem that being the target of trick-or-treat does not cause the same problem, it only occurs when the user's type changes via protean from what I am able to research without hacking or anything.Yamitora1 (talk) 01:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Here is a Vs Recorder video of the anomaly 6ZSW-WWWW-WWWU-MPSY

As you can see, Sylveon is inflicted with the curse instead of the foe(s)Yamitora1 (talk) 07:01, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I'll have to take a look later. CycloneGU (talk) 17:53, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

In a Double Battle, my Pokémon was turned into a Ghost type with Color Change before using Curse that turn, and it targeted its ally. --SnorlaxMonster 17:35, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Trick-or-Treat

The article says it affects the ally, but I just tested this in two triple battles and it effected the foe Here are the videos: 5D7G-WWWW-WWXX-C7P4 and DMVW-WWWW-WWXX-C7NN In the videos I have Pumpkaboo use Trick-or-Treat on Sylveon and she curses the opponent to her left both times. Yamitora1 (talk) 19:40, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

So it seems that Trick-or-Treat on a curse user reacts differently depending on if its a double/triple battle, and the target's position.

In a double battle, if the target is on the left, it will effect the foe with curse, but the ally if on the right. Yamitora1 (talk) 21:29, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Here are some videos of it Curse on Foe in double battle after Trick-or-Treat: 5AQW-WWWW-WWX2-CQPP

Curse on Ally in double battle after Trick-or-Treat: XXJW-WWWW-WWX2-CR4F

I will test a triple battle next Yamitora1 (talk) 21:49, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

I tested trick-or-treating a curse user and what the effects are based on their placement in a battle. Only in a Double Battle when a user is the second Pokémon will they curse their ally when trick-or-treat has been used on the curse user.

5AQW-WWWW-WWX2-CQPP

Foe	Target
User	Ally

XXJW-WWWW-WWX2-CR4F

Foe	Foe
Target	User

P8FG-WWWW-WWX5-6SUD

Target	Foe	Foe
User	Ally	Ally

DMVW-WWWW-WWXX-C7NN

Target	Foe	Foe
Ally	User	Ally

NYRG-WWWW-WWX5-6TWK

Foe	Foe	Target
Ally	Ally	User

Now this is only for the player's team, I don't know if the opponent has a similar set up or if curse reacts differently for a foe hit by trick-or-treat Yamitora1 (talk) 20:24, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I get the same results in Triples too... It would appear that it behaves differently in Doubles to Triples. After further testing, it turns out that in Doubles it will only Curse an ally if it is in the right position; if it is in the left position, it uses Curse on a random opponent (regardless of whether they are Cursed or not). I suppose it would be possible to test in a Horde (against Copycat Mime Jr.), but that's going to be painful. --SnorlaxMonster 13:24, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Question: Does anyone know if this effect ORAS as well, or just XY? I know in the past certain things are changed/fix between versions either with localized releases or in general. Yamitora1 (talk) 17:28, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

It is extremely rare for in-battle mechanics to change within a generation, due to the effect this has on link battles. However, the Protean interaction remains in ORAS, at least. --SnorlaxMonster 11:12, 6 February 2015 (UTC)