Talk:Pokémon of Myth

User:Shiningpikablu252/PA But... we don't even know if they're a trio... TTEchidna 05:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Wait a tick...

Palkia is the Space pokemon
Dialga is the Time pokemon
Arceus is the Alpha pokemon

Wouldn't this technically be the trio; given that, well, aren't Palkia and Dialga technically made of Arceus, or something?

Although, if you took into account that Giratina is related to an "ancient cemetary in another dimension", you could technically consider it: Arceus ; life ; Alpha Giratina ; death ; Omega

Beginning and end, so to speak...maybe it could work? Myrmidon 06:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

That'd then make Arceus the master of this trio, too... TTEchidna 09:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Arceus really did a lot for the world of Pokémon, at least in the mythology. Althoughit is unknown how Arceus relates to Giratina, unlike Dialga and Palkia, where it is clearly known that Arceus created the two. Therefore, it is not really certain if Arceus is in fact the master of this trio. Pokéball 18:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Either way, I still don't think we should name the "dragon trio" off until DP v3 comes out. We knew beforehand that Rayquaza was the third member of the weather trio, but that's mostly because it just fit. Far as I'm concerned, Dialga and Palkia are just a duo, like Ho-Oh and Lugia. TTEchidna 19:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Isn't it obvious that Arceus created Giratina? --Shiny Noctowl^{Talk | Contribs}File:Ani164MS.gif 01:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's proof:

Attacks (Attacks in bold do direct damage)	Start	DragonBreath Scary Face
	10	Metal Claw	Water Pulse	Ominous Wind
	20	AncientPower
	30	Dragon Claw
	40	Roar of Time	Spacial Rend	Shadow Force
	50	Heal Block
	60	Earth Power
	70	Slash
	80	Flash Cannon	Aqua Tail	Shadow Claw
	90	Aura Sphere

File:Ani164MS.gifShiny^{Talk | Contribs}File:Ani408MS.gifFile:Ani410MS.gif 12:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm totally against this. This is purely fan speculation...File:Ani475MS.gif Agent 448^{δ | DP} | ☆File:Ani282MS.gif 11:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Seconded. Adding a cleanup tag. Fan speculation and move similarity mean sh*t, tbh.Dark0805 (talk|contribs) 17:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Compare to this:

Attacks (Attacks in bold do direct damage)	Start	Water Pulse	Mud Shot	Twister
	5	Scary Face
	15	AncientPower
	20	Body Slam	Slash	Dragon Claw
	30	Calm Mind	Bulk Up	Dragon Dance
	35	Ice Beam	Earthquake	Crunch
	45	Hydro Pump	Fire Blast	Fly
	50	Rest
	60	Sheer Cold	Fissure	Extremespeed
	65	Double-Edge	Solarbeam	Hyper Beam
	75	Aqua Tail	Earth Power	Dragon Pulse
	80	Water Spout	Eruption	Outrage

Or this:

Attacks (Attacks in bold do direct damage)	Start	Explosion
	9	Rock Throw	Icy Wind	Metal Claw
	17	Curse
	25	Superpower
	33	AncientPower
	41	Iron Defense	Amnesia	Iron Defense Amnesia
	49	Charge Beam
	57	Lock On
	65	Zap Cannon
	73	Stone Edge	Ice Beam	Iron Head Flash Cannon
	81	Hammer Arm
	89	Hyper Beam

File:Ani164MS.gifShiny^{Talk | Contribs}File:Ani408MS.gifFile:Ani410MS.gif 12:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Well it is possible. There is space and time. What else is there. Giratina is said to live in a world on the reverse side of ours. This is possibly the afterlife. This place may neither be space nor time. If these three pokémon are a trio, then it would mean that this trio would control Space, Time, and the Afterlife, which are the only places where anyone could possibly be. Pokemaniac102

AND THEY ALL SHARE THE SAME STATS ONLY MIXED UP.

So, since it's not official. the Dragon Trio, although is based on a certain amount of canon, is fanon as Pokémon and Nintendo have nto released it officially...Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 07:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

First, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina all appear in the 11th movie. Second, WHY CAN'T WE ALL WAIT!!!File:Ani471MS.gifPokemaniac102 17:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Unless someone can give me official proof that these three are the trio, and that Giratina is the master and the mascot for the third DP game, I'm putting a delete notice on this page. Canon, people! -File:Spr 3e 186.gifニョロトノ666File:Spr 3e 186.gif

"May even be true" doesn't cut it here. For instance, it may be true that Ash Ketchum is a cross-dressing girl! However, I'll hold off on the deletion notice until a sysop okays it. -File:Spr 3e 186.gifニョロトノ666File:Spr 3e 186.gif

How bout shipping the names are fanon and the whole thing is fanon.File:Ani471MS.gifPokemaniac102File:AniEggMS.gif 23:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Shipping usually has some logical basis, and it's noted that it may not be true. It's accepted that ships are often false (sorry, shippers!), but stuff like this has no place here unless it's official. -File:Spr 3e 186.gifニョロトノ666File:Spr 3e 186.gif

These three Pokémon being a trio has some logical basis, and it is noted that it may or may not be true. But there are people who believe that these three pokémon are a trio. Some ships have come true(Rocketshipping in manga) and this may come true too. There are reason that I believe that these three pokémon are a trio:

   *They all have the same stats just mixed up.
   *They have similar moves, as seen above.
   *They look similar in appearance.
   *They all were created at the same time, as said in the article about the History of the Pokémon world.
   *I believe that Palkia controls space, Dialga controls time, and Giratina controls the only other thing, the afterlife.

But still, it hasn't been revealed yet. But there is a possibility that, if a third version comes out, It may be Giratina (or Arceus).File:Ani471MS.gifPokemaniac102File:AniEggMS.gif 21:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

The possibility of it being Arceus is zero. If the third game confirms that Giratina is the third part of the chain, then fine, make the article. But until that game comes out, this is nothing but fanwank, and thus does not belong here. This page should be scrapped until this information can be OFFICIALLY confirmed. --Dual 09:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, following Crystal's pattern, it could be one of the Lake Trio. Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 10:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Completely possible. But lets leave this article to rot until V3 comes out.^PokeManiac₁₀₂01:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

IF there's a V3. Gen IV has been avoiding most of the rules, such as nearly getting Dark, Psychic and Fighting starters and not all the new Pokémon are in the new dex. Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 13:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

wait.. if we go by emeralds patten. the MAY be a battle between Palkia and diagla as depicted in the movies and Giratina will quell the battle. Dakclaw

Giratina cannot represent the afterlife, as the Lake trio have been stated to represent spirit. MATTER, on the other hand, is seperate from space and time, yet does not seem to be represented by Giratina. Noname

I'm not talking about MATTER, I'm talking about life. What creates life, besides spirit. Space, for things to move. Time, for things to accelerate. And a life after life...^PokeManiac₁₀₂ 01:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I doubt that Giratina represents life after death, but I do beleive he represents Death itself. He lives in a cemetary and is part ghost. Noname The afterlife would be a bit of a streach and I doubt they would do that in a pokemon game.

whait you're forgetting something important. If any of you has played Ruby/Sapphire, you'll note that Rayquaza is not considered part of the wheather trio, althought it has similar attacks and base stats, and it is catchable only after the elite 4. it is later given a special role in Emerald AND THEN IT IS CONSIDERED part of it. Maybe it is what will happen with Giratina, and in the third Sinnoh game, a legend will say that Arceus created the three, as it happened in Emerald with Rayquaza who in Ruby/Sapphire is not mentioned anywhere. Hfc2x 20:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, until then, this is pure speculation, which does not belong here. We need a template or something that states that it's only speculation, and is not canon as of yet. Vekter 17:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe Giratina is part of the trio, opposing both Palkia and Dialga. I believe it's something like this: Palkia is space, Dialga is time, and Giratina would be the absence of space/time. If it's established that Giratina is "a Pokémon from another dimension", it's very easy to understand that the concept of time is different to Giratina. Also, his signature move being "Dark Void" tells us about the concept of space (also different from ours). Anyway, let's wait for the third game. I'm quite sure they'll explore Giratina as opposed to Dialga/Palkia, or maybe some collateral effect of Arceus' creation. --Rafaelpuff 20:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree 100% with you, but Giratina's signature move is Shadow Force. Dark Void is Darkrai's signature. hfc2X 03:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Since this is speculation anyway, consider this: Giratina's Shadow Force makes it "suddenly vanish", making it completely untouchable. It's possible it does this but exploiting it's absence of space and time, then the next turn it rematerializes intersecting its target, causing the damage as the solid matter (or pseudo-solid in Giratina's case) violently attempts to resolve a physical impossibility.--Zyphers 12:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, my bad. I've written Dark Void with the ingame animation of Shadow Force in mind. Thanks for the correction. Now, what about the new rumours? About Giratina being the mascot of the third game? If these rumours are confirmed, I guess it's no doubt that there is a Dragon Trio. Also, Serebii.net announced that there'll be a new dual-type form to Arceus - maybe an ancient form of Arceus before he "created the Dragons from itself"? Well, anyway, this is only speculation. But I like Zyphers' theory (about Giratina's Shadow Force) very much. --Rafaelpuff 17:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Dragon Trio has been officially confirmed

At last no more speculation. People who hasn't checked Serebii.net do it. A hi-res scan of the Coro coro magazine has leaked and is available here. As you can see in the pic, cyrus is standing in front of Dialga, Palkia and the shadow of Giratina. hfc2X 21:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

That imaged could be faked or photoshopped......C is for Cookie 21:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Please know that THE WHOLE THING CAN BE FAKE!•Pokemaniac102 21:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

giratina is on teh box art for pokemon platinum which has been officially announced... Arutoa 20:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Well then NOW it is conformed.•Pokemaniac102 20:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

No way

It's not necessarily part of the trio, as a matter a fact, I think it's the leader-guy! Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links10:03 16 May 2008

Excuse me for asking, but what do you mean by "leader-guy"? As in leader of the "duo", or the duo and Arceus? Arceausams 23:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe he thinks that Giratina is sort of the trio master of the duo. But I believe that they all are a trio only with Giratina being the strongest.•Pokemaniac102 14:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

You know what, I don't think we should bother saying "NUH UH MY THEORY IZ BETR THAN YERZ", when we can just wait. Does everybody agree? Arceausams 23:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

images

I think the image should go back to the turnback cave 1 the new 1 does not clearly depict Giratina its a silohuette and the others are in Sprite Form. Sailor Earth 20:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The new image is important, though, as it demonstrates that there is probably some sort of link between the three. I think we should have both images; that way, there'd be one for each of them on their own in DP, and one of them all together in Platinum. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 21:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree 100% Sailor Earth 21:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)