Talk:Breaking the fourth wall

Preventing Deletion

I had figured this would happen, however, I would like for anyone to bear with me when it comes to this page, as I seemingly made it a 2:00 AM, when I couldn't sleep. I am planning on at least making a list of episodes that break the fourth wall, but If I do not find enough relevance I will stop fighting its deletion. So please bear with me LinkSlayerPKMN 18:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how this associates with Pokemon, though. Porygon-Z 18:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Because they do break the fourth wall sometimes in Pokémon, maybe? Pokémon Lover King Mario 21:11, 5 April 2008 (GMT +01)

That's exactly what I'm getting at. I'd like to make this site a bit more navigable, and I'm starting by adding a couple pages. LinkSlayerPKMN 21:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

It might be more appropriate to just have a list of times the fourth wall is broken, along with a brief definition of the phrase, rather than a page for the phrase itself. --Martonimos 21:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Isn't that essentialy what this is? (mind the list part, I'm woring on it, but my computer is having problems playing the shows.) Oh, I would also like to ask, does this Wiki support redirects?, I have tried making one, but the page does not display as it should, and thereby, won't work. LinkSlayerPKMN 22:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Of course this Wiki supports redirects, why wouldn't it? o_O; I think we should just put a list of fourth-wall-breaks on this page, but eh. Tina ^δ♫ 22:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Most of the breaks are from Team Rocket in the anime (I think it says something about it in the Running Gags section of the Team Rocket page.) Maybe we could just have the list on their page or something. ^Moldy_Orange 22:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Eh, a list would be better on a separate page (this one) whether TR does it all or not. TTEchidna 23:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that a category would be more appropriate in this case; the only episodes I can remember in which the fourth wall is broken are the one mentioned and the second movie. Vekter 16:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

A category wouldn't give the details. I can think of a few more cases anyway. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 16:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Well then, let's just list the instances on the pages for the episodes. I just don't think we need a complete page for just this. Vekter 17:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Team Rocket Broke the fourth wall in "The Crystal Onix" but that is all I can remember right off the top of my head. ^Moldy_Orange 18:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

What I meant was that the page should be renamed List of times the fourth wall is broken, or something similar. If you didn't want to include fourth-wall breaks in all media (the Game Freak staff in the games comes to mind), you could say List of times the fourth wall is broken in the anime, although that's even longer. I think the page would fit in better on Bulbapedia as a list than a definition. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 23:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

EP026

In EP026, the Celadon Gym episode, Jessie and James were exclaming about a bad smelling Pokémon (I can't remember if it was Koffing or Gloom or both) and Meowth remarks that his nose melted off. He then goes on to say that the animators never drew him a nose. If anyone has more info on this, it can be added as well. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 17:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Coincidentally I was just watching the episode on my laptop and at the point where the fourth wall was broken I decided to add it to the list, then I read this, wow what a coincidence. Anyway, so yeah, its been added Wikid 15:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

English Version or Universal?

Team Rocket have been known to break the fourth wall many times in the English version when the Rocket-dan don't in the Japanese version. Is break the fourth wall really an attribute of the original anime, or is it just something that 4Kids did quite often? Satosuke 17:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

In the second film we can see Team Rocket and Slowking looking at usPortuguese Old Man 18:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't prove anything. I want to know clear examples of Kojiro, Musashi, and Nyarth breaking the fourth wall. As far as I see this right now, this should be listed as a dub-only article. Satosuke 00:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

In the episode in which Bruno appears, Meowth uses a remote to fast forward the mottoPortuguese Old Man 20:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Doc Brock

Is that really a forth wall break? It seems more like them just recalling they forgot Gliscor,and the narrator just stopping Lovely Rose 21:51, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

No, it isn't breaking the fourth wall. I just removed it, so let's see if others agree. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 22:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Enter the Dragonite

I thought about in episode 112 where Ash fights Drake's Dragonite. Team Rocket appears and there's a scene split where Drake asks how they dare interrupt the battle. Then Jessie pushes Drake's half of the split scene away, thus, she is aware of that the scene is split. Voyage 15:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

A Lean Mean Team Rocket Machine

In DP092, Team Rocket says "Introduce it to the kids". "The kids" refers to the viewers. This is the scene when Team Rocket shows us their new mecha. Love, Mimitchi33 May 4,2009

They don't mean the viewers. I have a tape recorder and on the fith time watching it I noticed Meowth point at Ash, so it is unlikely they mean the viewers. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 13:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Dealing With Defensive Types!

In DP108, Meowth breaks the fourth wall which needs to be added, I don't have an exact quote though. -MasterKenobi 23:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, got added.-MasterKenobi 23:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

As Clear as Crystal

Are you sure they break the fourth wall in this episode? It seems to me like they're talking to Ash, Brock, and Misty instead of the viewers.. Chuck67322 22:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Arceus and the Jewel of Life

I know you're thinking "Uh-Oh, this isn't true" but look at the movie really closely. When Team Rocket have the Jewel of Life, near the end it disappears. Then in the seen after they are disappointed a Person who looks like Lucas (the male character in GenIV) is in the background with a glailie. Look closely. Should I add it? If you want a screenshot i'll try and get one. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 13:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

It breaks the wall by possibly pointing out there is a world outside the anime, referring to the games? SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 16:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Haven't seen the movie yet, but what you're describing isn't breaking the fourth wall by any means. And anyhow, Lucas already made an anime cameo. --electAbuzzzz 17:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

That... doesn't break the forth wall in anyway. - Takoto 17:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

where should it be put? Oh and electabuzzz? Can you show me how to make my signiture link to the respective pages? EG celebi glitch! links to missingno. masters celebi glitch page? SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 17:48, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Beating the hustle and bustle

In this episode when the pokeballs are stolen Meowth says "okay, who flipped the script?". Is that considered breaking the fourth wall? If it is can someone add it.Ashanddawn4evr 05:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)ashanddawn4evr

"In games"

It seems that what is written here is so insuffient and lacking in relevance.I think it needs to be either redited or removed.--Solid! 11:28, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Notability

The "In the games" section is really not notable, I mean, the first example doesn't even happen, the 3rd is just tips. Should we vote on this section's notability?--ForceFire 13:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

No. Just keep. It is breaking the fourth, and the first one does happen. End of subject. But if we must... vote with #~~~~ then your comment. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 13:47, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I would like to apologise for adding an unproofread section in the first place. (My preview button was screwing up.)--Beligaronia (talk) 20:28, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Keep Games

1. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 13:47, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
2. Keep. However I do agree that the first item is not really breaking the fourth wall as they are clearly in-game characters. By my definition, which may or may not be correct, breaking the fourth wall includes any incident in which the game universe acknowledges the outside world e.g. recognising that the game was created by developers or that the player needs to know how to use the menu. The menu only exists outside the game universe (again this is debatable) therefore any reference to it is breaking the fourth wall.--Beligaronia (talk) 20:28, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
3. --Chickasaurus 21:16, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
4. Keep They are both examples of breaking the fourth wall so they should be in the article. The only issue here is that you guys haven't been to Celadon Mansion in a while. They are the developers, not random NPCs. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 08:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Remove Games

1. --ForceFire 13:49, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Comments

For goodness sake, do we have to do this? SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 13:47, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes we do. This is what prevents edit wars from getting out of hand.--Beligaronia (talk) 20:28, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

We need discussion, not straw polls. And yes, the "developer rooms" are blatently breaking the fourth wall. (Doesn't one of those guys say "I made you" in one of the games.) Tips on using the controller can also count, especially in NPC dialogue. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 08:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)