Talk:Black City

Mother reference

Black city resembles a cross of Moonslide from Earth bound and New Pork City from Mother 3, and White forest looks like the Sunshine forest also from Mother 3. Possibly useful for trivia? Ghost chimera 08:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

No, because minor visual similarities like this really aren't notable. --SnorlaxMonster 13:28, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Mistreatment

It's really annoying how Bulbapedia treats Black City as a normal city and always groups it with other cities. This doesn't fit this place's real role at all. And it fails to present the most important thing - that Black City is a counterpart to White Forest. It's really nosense to group Black City with cities/towns just because it has "City" in the name. It's actually a dungeon, like White Forest. Black City and White Forest belong together. The current treatment of Black City really, really bugs me. --Maxim 16:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

What happens without any people?

Back when I played Black in Japanese when it came out, I took ages to get to Black City, and so by the time I got there, everything was gone. Even the Market. All that was there was the Pokemon Center and the odd unenterable buildings in the top left. Yet when I tried to edit the article to show this, I got reverted by Han Ji-Wan. There obviously is some way to not have a market, as the guide shows a Black City without one (page 208), and I had a Black City without a market for 5 months or so. So I guess, could anyone confirm what makes the market disappear and edit the article accordingly? I've tried time travelling just now but can't seem to empty out the city for some reason. Bluesun 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Whoops. My bad. I just undid your edit without thinking. I apologize for that. --Han Ji-Wan 04:05, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Ah, alright, thanks. Ignore the first part of my newest edit summary then, sorry, I didn't see you had reverted. Would be a bit pointless for there to be a market that didn't sell anything because there was nobody visiting though, I guess. Bluesun 04:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

See I don't think this is all true as I came into the City with three trainers and still no market.--Random Disinformation 22:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

So what exactly is not true? My original point was that there were times when there is no market, which seems to also be your point. Bluesun 13:05, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

The article says when you have one or more trainers that the market appears. I have entered the city with 3 trainers. No Market. I am trying to find out how to unlock the Market.--Random Disinformation 18:52, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, derp. Didn't notice that. How's this, since we don't know the exact number at the moment? If it helps, the game of mine with the least amount of trainers currently has eight trainers and has the market. Bluesun 20:44, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Cool. I will update when I find out how many trainers it takes. Don't know how long that will take though, as I don't know anyone here with the White Version.--Random Disinformation 20:52, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I added NPCs one by one and the market appears with 4 or more NPCs.

Nuzzle 00:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Sweet, thanks. I haven't been able to find someone that I can do all this with yet.--Random Disinformation 17:55, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Number of residents not accurate

"The number of residents can vary between 12 (minimum occupancy) and 45 (maximum occupancy), 12 of them being Trainers at the maximum."

That is patently false. The minimum number of residents is 0, plain and simple, as demonstrated by the previous comments. I have no idea where the 12 comes from but I have 0 residents and I have seen on the internet a lot of reports of 3-11 residents.

Also, it would be great to indicate that the number of people in the city decreases over time, rather than increasing as one would assume from the current formulation.

Magicguigz 19:31, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

The twelve comes from counting the people there when there are no visiting trainers. If as you say there were 0, even the Pokémon Center would be empty. Also, there can be between 0-10 visiting trainers, never 11. And it doesn't seem to make me think it increases, since usually any min-max is listed that same way, minimum then maximum, though that could be just my opinion. Bluesun 21:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Bluesun is correct. The 12 people number are the ones that are permanent, such as the Pokemon Center and the gate buildings. However, I don't know anything about it decreasing/increasing over time because I don't have Black Version yet. I will fix it if it is wrong once I get Black. :] Han Ji-Wan 22:22, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Missing Some Trainers

Hello! I just want to start off by asking if anyone can add the male Ace Trainer with the Magmortar? I don't know how...

Second, when my game's season changed to Winter, I lost a bunch of trainers and the mall, and the buildings in town changed dramatically. I didn't get the chance to visit my brother's White Forest last month to try inviting more trainers- is that the reason? Now it's Spring, and Black City hasn't changed. I still only have Staraptor guy, Porygon-Z dude, and Nursery Aide Miho. (Who thinks a Shiftry is cute? Seriously!) By the way, after I had talked to every trainer in my bro's White Forest during our games' Autumn month, I had a total of only 9 trainers outside. What am I supposed to do? --Green Jade 23:05, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

You keep talking to them. If you don't talk to them and battle them, they gradually go away. And to add a trainer, we need to know direct stats: trainer's name, and gender and level of his Magmortar. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 23:16, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay. As soon as I see him again (if someone else doesn't beat me to it) I'll let you know. I don't have him right now. Nice to meet you! ;) --Green Jade 01:48, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, someone beat me to it, after all. Eh, no biggy. I mean it never really mattered to me who put it up. I just want pages to be complete. I'll keep my eye out for any unmentioned trainers. --Green Jade 15:23, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

WAIT! I have one already! I battled him way earlier this morning so I don't know the prize money yet, but I have other info. Scientist Jacques, Nidoqueen lv. 50. --Green Jade 18:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and he uses Dire Hit at the beginning of every battle. --Green Jade 18:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I have it. He rewards you 2400 when you beat him. --Green Jade 18:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Order of Trainers

There seems to be no logical order to the trainer list. Alphabetical, or maybe alphabetical by trainer class, or by the level of their Pokémon? It would also be handy to have the items associated with each trainer next to their info. Geekvixen 22:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Their trainer order is listed how the in-game text arranged their spoken lines. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 23:34, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Pokécam

Pokécam!!!! i have only got 5 traners and people and my city is not changeing at all it stays the same i have done the money thing is well but i cant buy stones why i want one - unsigned comment from Pokecam!!!! (talk • contribs)

Pokecam!!!! 11:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC) i need help i have only 5 traners and my city do not change and i whant to buy stones but i cant i done the money thing form the guy but it takes me days to do help pls

The trainers do not change except to leave Black City if you don't talk/battle them once a day. As for stones, you simply do not have the trainers that produce them. And you sign with ~~~~, not {{welcome}}. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 11:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

i know but i have beten 25 people but 5 a day each the same and why does my city not change i have talked to them each day i whant new people and i have not got white so i do i do it? pls help - unsigned comment from Pokecam!!!! (talk • contribs)

my city dose not change help help help i whant it to change i got there in 2 days(playing wise) didt play for 2 days then played and completed and only got 5 trainers grrrr i got there in 2 days technicly so why and it does not change why help now pls - unsigned comment from Pokecam!!!! (talk • contribs)

It doesn't matter how many times you beat the trainers. The only way to get new trainers is hooking up with someone who has White and trainers in their White Forest. There really is no other way of doing it. The city only worsens on its own, not gets better. And signing your comments after you post isn't the want to do it; it messes up the timestamp. So make sure you sign them before you post your talk page comments. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 12:07, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Pokecam!!!! 12:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC) better ok so why does the city not change a guy says it changes dayily and looks like a creacher so why dont mine is it to do with the sessons sorry cant spell Pokecam!!!! 12:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

It can change daily through people leaving, and through obtaining people through White. When someone comes or goes, the city itself changes, with more or less buildings because of it. Also, the trainers become rebattleable each day, which is sort of a change. Also that you got there and there were only 5 people left would mean that the game thought you took 6 days or more to get there, and it does count days you don't play. Bluesun 12:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

The ten trainers you get when you start the game are random. They all have set disappearing rates. If you /really/ got to Black City in 2 days, you should have ten trainers, because they don't start leaving until day four at the earliest (of real-life time; the countdown starts when you first turn the game on, and goes by the DS time system). And it doesn't change daily. It only changes if you ignore the trainers for too long and the trainers begin to disappear. So yeah, what blusun said. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 12:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

What do you men by number of days?

total play time in hours or lets say I starterted on june 13 and finished on the 20th. and if the second, does the population increase as time goes by, or does it decrease? Please help me!! Luxraychu 17:28, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Days since you begun the game, as in, there are ten people on the 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, some people leave, 17th, 18th, some people leave, 19th, 20th, you arrive. I don't know why everyone gets confused by it but people never come to the City without Entralinking with another game. Bluesun 17:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Frequency of Trainer battles

How often can you battle the Trainers here? I assume once per day? The article doesn't specify (which it should).--SnorlaxMonster 07:27, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Once per day for the residents, once and never again for the two in the market. Bluesun 16:05, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Sale Value of Items from Black City Market

When one buys an item in the Black City market, does anybody know if it is sold at 1/2 price or the 1/2 price of its regular value? For instance, if I were to purchase a Nugget, would I sell it for $25,000 or $4,900 like one does at an ordinary PokéMart? - unsigned comment from Squirrelfeet (talk • contribs)

They sell for half the regular value. Meaning your nugget would sell for 4,900. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:55, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Point values

OK, so the article lists the conditions that will alter the amount of points each trainer has, and states that once the point value hits zero, the trainer leaves. That's good. What I notice it's lacking, though, is the number of points each trainer starts with in the first place. Obviously not zero, or else you'd have to beat the game in less than 24 hours to have anyone in Black City. But I haven't found this sort of information anywhere. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 18:58, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Here. Very High = initially 20, High = initially 30, Low = initially 70, Very Low = initially 80. Bluesun 22:52, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Alrighty, then! I'll try and add this information to the article. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 00:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

NPC Trainer dialogue

Whenever I talk to an NPC Trainer after battling them in Black City, they say something like "Black City changes every day. I love that about this place!" or "I'm thinking about going somewhere else soon," which make it sound like they're going to disappear soon or stay for a while.

For the record, the ones that sound like they may leave soon are Carlos, Ken, and Lynette; the one that sounds like he's going to stick around is Robbie. Carlos, Ken, and Lynette were there when I first arrived in Black City, and I didn't battle them very much until I visited a friend's White Forest and invited Robbie. Carlos, Ken, and Lynette should have a low point value, and Robbie should have a high one, and that fits with their dialogue.

I just want to hear what anyone else has noticed before I do something like write in the actual article. Dimenticare (talk) 02:37, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Given that the article identifies that Trainers come and go, I don't think the dialogue is too notable. --Spriteit (talk) 15:22, 17 August 2012

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Also, the three that I said I suspected to have low point values have changed their dialogue, sounding more like Robbie, after being battled every day for about a week. Does that mean anything to anyone else? Dimenticare (talk) 04:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Black Skyscraper trainer catalouge

We need data on the trainers encounterable in the Black Skyscraper.--Mastervictini (talk) 22:53, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Is this for Black 2? If so, that's why there is the incomplete tag at the top. --Spriteit (talk) 07:52, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Shops in Black city

We also need data on what we can buy in Black City in Pokémon Black 2 and Pokémon White 2. I would do it myself but I am new so I don't want to risk any mistakes. --Mastervictini (talk) 22:57, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

You can try to edit it into your user talk page first, when you make sure it's alright so you can move to the data page. Kolu (talk) 09:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I went ahead and added what I have, but I haven't cleared the 10th floor which I believe is when the fourth store is unlocked. I am playing the Japanese version however so someone might want to change the names to better reflect the English version Vlad.frostbringer (talk) 06:41, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Black Tower and White Treehollow

They may be in Black City and White Forest, but are they not important enough to warrant their own articles? They don't even have redirects at the moment. - Blazios _talk 15:11, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Bumping this, because the two places are still not mentioned here, aside from Benga's battle data. The two places are listed as their own separate areas for things like saving and Egg hatching. - Blazios _talk 17:20, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Exclusive to Black and Black 2?

I understand that Black City and White Forest were exclusive to the original Black and White, but with the key system implemented in the new games, this is no longer true. Why is there still a claim that they are version exclusive locations? Schiffy (talk) 18:00, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Because they are version exclusive, when you consider they can't be gotten without the key system. And not everyone has access to the opposite version and its keys, so why lie and say they aren't? You aren't getting White Forest in Black 2 by default, after all. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:23, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

So why not mention, in the actual article, that Black City is accessible in White 2 with the key that can be transferred from Black 2, with a link to a page on the key system (if there is one). Schiffy (talk) 12:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Black 2 Trainers

They shouldn't be here, they should be on the Black Tower page. Unless we want it on both, I don't believe it's necessary here. --Abcboy (talk) 12:34, 25 December 2012 (UTC)