Talk:Baby Pokémon

Togepi

Is Togepi a baby? I've never heard that before...Although it makes sense. Anyone wanna verify? The only "baby" PKMN I knew of were the pre-evos of preexisting pogeys.

Well, that's exactly why I added that note on the bottom. But if you compare other babies to Togepi, the only thing it's messing is an old evolution. It's not a pre-evolution, but it is a baby. - Ferret 20:42, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Same could be said about Riolu, as it's obtained in a similar way to Togepi in DP. Tom Temprotran 03:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, Togepi is a Baby Pokemon as of Generation IV because of it's final evolution... if you catch my drift Tesh 21:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Then that would imply that any other Pokémon that evolves twice would be a baby Pokémon. Charmander isn't. Oddish isn't. I think essentially the definition is that a baby Pokémon is a Pokémon that can't breed, but its evolution(s) can. TTEchidna 21:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, that seems to sound better. oh yeah and how come the tables titles are all black when the background is back as well? Tesh 21:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

There's one problem with the idea of Riolu being a Baby... the TCG doesn't agree. In the cards, Riolu's a Basic and Lucario's Stage-1. And frankly, given Lucario's D/P base stats, Stage-1 makes more sense. - Cassius335 18:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

That's the same problem with Togepi. But remember, the TCG still regards Pikachu as Basic to maintain cross-gen compatability, when really it's a Stage 1 now. TTEchidna 02:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Huh? The system as I understand it is Baby > Basic > Stage 1 > Stage 2. Pichu's Baby level, Pikachu's Basic, Raichu's Stage-1. How the heck would Pikachu be a Stage-1? - Cassius335 11:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, quite frankly Pikachu is the first evolved stage of its family lane - better yet, since there is no "Chu Laxence", in the Pokémon world biota all the Pikachus are born as Pichus. One could assume that even the Pikachu that are found in the wild have evolved already, making it a natural stage 1 evolution. The TCG is always a different media - why should Togepi or Riolu be stripped from their (in my opinion obvious) status of Baby Pokémon according to the Card Game when the very same game also lets us know that Nidoran and Gastly are Psychic Pokémon, Charizard learns attacks called 'Nail Flick' and 'Continuous Fireball', Erika has a Clefairy and evolving a Pokémon heals it from Status conditions? Sipulichu 19:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Phione

I don't know who added it, but Phione's baby status is illogical. It can breed, therefore it can't be a baby. I'm taking it out unless there's some sort of general consensus with some good logic behind it. --Kaoz 15:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

That won't get you a Manaphy. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 16:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I think there should be a small note about Phione. It should mention that, because of it's ability to breed, it can't be considered a Baby Pokémon. --JMS 20:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I personally think it shouldn't really even be here in the first place anyway. It's as much a baby as the legendary birds are related like the Hitmon family. TTEchidnaFire echy 03:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Yea, it should be taken out. I'll do that now. --Theryguy512 11:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

It looks like it has been taken out already. --Theryguy512 11:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Tyrogue and Hitmontop

If we apply the same rules of Togepi and Riolu to Tyrogue, considering an evolution was introduced in the same generation, should we take Hitmontop out?--KukiTalk 00:38, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

No, because of Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee... - Cassius335 13:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Togepi and Riolu are here last I checked. They only aren't babies because the TCG was stupid when making the families based off of one evolutionary level... TTEchidna 20:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Baby Pokémon can by classified as such by these four simple rules:

1. Can be obtainable by hatching an egg.
2. Must be lowest form in a family chain.
3. Must be able to evolve at least once.
4. Cannot breed.

This should clear up some confusion, right? ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 23:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe that should go in the article --Blackstone Dresden 16:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Wynaut

The article says "In addition, until Generation IV, they were not found in the wild with the exception of Wynaut." Since Wynaut is a baby Pokémon, the first time they were found in the wild is Gen III. The way the line is typed doesn't make much sense. Why exclude Wynaut? I think it should be re-written. Sean... Lord of the Shadows!!! 18:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Riolu

How is Riolu a baby Pokemon? Considering the fact they appeared in the same generation as it's evolved form. Even Lucario's trading card states it's a stage 1 Pokemon thus disproving that Riolu is NOT a baby Pokemon. - User:Parasector

Riolu is a baby Pokémon the same way Togepi is: both are unable to breed until they evolve. That's our definition, as stated at the top of the page. The TCG doesn't write the rules for the series. --Andy^P_K^M_N 23:50, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Phione forever

I think that we should add a special category for Phione in this Page because of its special condition. Phione since can only be obtanaible by breeding which makes it as a Baby Pokémon that's because I think it is a Baby Pokémon, but it do can breed, but it doesn't imply the way its born.

User:Igor Castro Chucre