Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 4

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Trivia

In the trivia it says about Ash never catching a Pokemon when he has 6 in his party and then gives many exceptions, hardly a worthy piece of trivia, I would suggest removing it but I am afraid of back-lash from other users, so can anyone give their consensus. Guardian of Earth 20:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Krabby was at the beginning, there are 30 of those Tauros and Beedrill went straight to Casey. I think the fact is worth mentioning but I'm not sure how to reword it. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 23:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

If thirty Tauros at once counts as many exceptions... TTEchidna 23:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Ash Sprite

I made a sprite of Ash: File:Ash Sprite.png I used Lucas (since they are very similar) and changed some features. How is it?--Taviource 20:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I say very good!--KukiTalk 21:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Kuki, you should talk to my younger brother, Diamaster. Does anyone have anything else for me to make?--Taviource 21:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

How about we go through it together? Oh, how about giving Mimey a broom in its sprite on Delia's page?--KukiTalk 21:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll get to it. Feel free to e-mail me anytime you come with an idea. You are like my manager, or somewhat my boss. This works well.--Taviource 21:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Should we start from the beginning?--KukiTalk 21:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I've just finished Mimey's sprite. I'm ready for the list!--Taviource 21:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It's good but is there any point of putting that in the Article? --Force Fire 09:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, last time we did this to Tyson's Meowth, the Cat got the Boot (Geddit? Geddit? Oh forget it...) It's the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links10:11 6 Jun 2008

I have to agree... the sprites are neat (sort of; I've definitely seen better), but they don't really belong in the articles. Just because a Pokémon dresses differently doesn't mean it's not the same Pokémon. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 05:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

All he was trying to do was give the Pokémon some individuality. I'm not sure I'm for the modified sprites of humans but we should let the Pokémon stay. Especially if they are tweaked just so slightly that it barely makes a difference. Like Ash's Sceptile. You can't say that looked bad. --☆ケンジガール 06:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I understand that. And I guess the less obtrusive ones are OK (this is all just my opinion, anyway). But don't put "sprite by Taviource" on the pages; that's just advertising, which shouldn't be in the main namespace. It's fine that you put it on the images themselves; that way, people who are interested in the sprites can follow them to you, and people who aren't don't think you're a whore. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 06:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that was a little out-of-bounds on his part. Still I think the Pokémon ones are cool.--☆ケンジガール 06:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I can't say that Sceptile looks bad but I can say that it looks incorrect since it had a different twig to Treecko/Grovyle. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 11:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sun Stone

does anyone know what happened to his sun stone from the bug catching contest? Mooites 23:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

He used it on a Sunkern in EP187--KukiTalk 23:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Not much of a waste since Misty missed the "Water-type" she tried to catch in EP010. TTEchidna 02:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Alternate Sprites

Oh, since we're on the subject, let's change the MS sprites too! >.> No, seriously, what difference would it make even if we DID have alternate sprites? The best we could do is Shiny Noctowl, and it's an official sprite. Squirtle appeared mostly without its glasses, thus, GET RID OF THEM. Primape and the belt? Wow! The belt got stuck on him for ten minutes and you already want to put it there??? Seriously, folks, ARE WE USING THE ALTERNATE SPRITES OR WHAT? It's the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links07:38 7 Jun 2008

In my opinion, we shouldn't be using these altered sprites. As Optimus35 pointed out, most of these alterations are things that appeared for a few minutes in a few episodes. More importantly, the Bulbapedia is not a place for fan art. If the artist is trying to showcase their art, the Bulbapedia is not the way to do it. Trainer-c 12:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I concur, sort of. Taivource does seem to be on a "Everyone behold my cool sprites." binge. Kenji-girl seems to like the Treecko-line ones, though (and to be fair, they are good). - Cassius335 12:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Just because we're an encyclopedia of Pokémon doesn't mean every sprite on every page has to be EXACTLY out of a game, does it? PL12 13:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

If it was a commonly re-occurring theme, then an alternate sprite singles it out as unique, which could be gathered from what I know about the Treeko and evolutions. Gywall 13:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

WE ARE USING THE ALTERNATE SPRITES, except for the trainer ones, and I actually might've put the yellow stars on Janina's Onix. And, for example Taisei's Piplup wore the tiara all episode--KukiTalk 13:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

OH, ARE WE NOW? Thanks for being so open to discussion, Kuki. - Cassius335 13:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

What's that supposed to mean. And Squirtle's glasses, as leader of the squirtle Squad, he's wearing them all the time probably--KukiTalk 13:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

If it is a significant part of their character design (eg. Noctowl, Treecko/Grovyle without the flower/Sceptile, maybe Squirtle) it is worth featuring the altered sprites. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 13:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly they are not just any ordinary Squirtle, Onix, Piplup, or Dustox, there is a special piece of design that seperates them from the ordinary ones. Guardian of Earth 17:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. They each have their own significant and reminds us all about all the good times in the anime.--Taviource 17:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Plus, Dustox, Squirtle, Primeape, and Butterfree belong/ed to main characters. And remember how we did an alternate sprite for May's Venusaur as a Bulbasaur--KukiTalk 17:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

We did?--Taviource 17:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Not we, but Bulbapedia as a community. The link is there, hover over Bulbasaur, and voila! PROOF!--KukiTalk 17:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

For the record, I entirely disagree with the Onix sprite. (She tried cheating one time and then had to wash it off.) But this is Ash's talk page so let's stick to those sprites here. The consensus seems to be to keep the alternate sprites and they don't hurt. Are there any valid reasons to not have them? --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 17:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, Grovyle needs to lose the flower and Sceptile's twig needs correcting. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 17:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Remember, shortly b4 Grovyle evolved, the flower bloomed? Thus the flower stays!--KukiTalk 17:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

It was actually wwhen Meganium used Synthesis