Talk:Ash Ketchum

ASH WAS CONFIRMED 10 YEARS OF AGE IN THE FIRST EPISODE OF THE BEST WISHES SERIES AND IN THE SUN & MOON SERIES CHARACTER PROFILES. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE POSTS QUESTIONING HIS AGE.

Previous discussions

Rotom Pokédex in "Unofficial" Segment

The Rotom Pokédex qualifies under that category and travels alongside Ash and his buddies. Should it be included? If so, the template will need a minor adjustment for this to work. Pikatwig (talk) 03:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm all for its inclusion. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 21:51, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Ash staying 10years old

The convention in Delaware with the original voice actor of Jessie when asked Ash's age said he was still 10 because the show is an evergreen show.--Pokemonfansuper 13:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

In the games section

Should we have a section of Ash's appearances in the games? He's appeared in Puzzle League and implied to be the writer of the letter at the beginning of the Sun and Moon demo. He's also present in all the SEGA Pico games, and there are event Pokémon based on his Pokémon (like Ash's Pikachu back in Generation IV and now Ash-Greninja). TeridaxXD001 (talk) 08:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I was about to ask the same question before I saw it had been asked already, so I wanna draw attention to it again because I agree. TheFatPanda (talk) 13:47, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Taking Care Of segment for Pokémon Egg

Since both he and Lillie were tasked with watching over the Pokémon Egg, it should be noted on both of their pages. Pikatwig (talk) 18:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Poke Ride

Why don't we add the Poke ride Pokémon that Ash uses? I had added Sharpedo, Tauros and Lapras but they removed? Why should Poke Ride be listed on Kiawe'd page but not Ash's? Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 17:53, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Everything that Ash uses or interacts with in any way should not (IMO) be notable. He rides Poke Ride Pokemon. So? That's what they're there for, he doesn't own them or anything significant. I really think random Poke Ride Pokemon should be removed from others' pages too, but I removed them here in particular because Ash just has so many Pokemon listed, and these ones really didn't deserve it (again, IMO). Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

But he actually using them in the series as Kiawe have Pokemon to ride at school as it shown own his page. He doesn't own the Taurus from the Pokemon school or the wailmer. If I'm correct, dose that mean Ash on his article should have those Pokemon own his article. Ash shown to use few Pokemon that aren't in the game to ride on such as Wailmer and pelipper. Should we add those Pokemon it seems important for the series articles. --DragoAlex (talk) 19:29, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Split suggestion

I propose that we split off the lists of Ash's Pokémon into a secondary article, which could be titled "Ash Ketchum's Pokémon," "Ash's Pokémon," "Ash Ketchum/Pokémon," or anything similar. By my count, the anime list alone takes up a full quarter of this page's ridiculous size (25k of ~100k bytes). In my opinion, this page should keep whatever Ash has in his party or in rotation, since that's what's relevant to the current anime, and everything else would be visible on the secondary page without cluttering up this main page. Thanks for your consideration. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I think it's the temporary Pokémon section that's taking up the most space and should be split off the page. We do have a List of Pokémon temporarily owned by the Team Rocket trio, so we can do the same for Ash's temporary Pokémon. However, everything else is too important to place elsewhere.--Force Fire 03:46, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

I second Force Fire's suggestion! Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 12:34, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

I've started a page, feel free to edit it and make suggestions.--Force Fire 05:44, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm also with ForceFire. And what do you think about putting together released, traded away, given away and unofficial Pokemon to "lost Pokemon"?--Dominikololo (talk) 15:09, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Pumpkinking0192 as in we should split the page, the anime isn't likely to stop soon and Ash is bound to get more pokemon as time goes on Though I do believe that there should be a page with pokemon that reside at Oak's laboratory and a section for Ash's pokemon and one for Gary's (if there are any known) and have this page link to it instead of listing all pokemon that Oak is keeping for Ash. If we don't split the page eventually it'll take an hour to quickly scroll to the bottom and yes I realize that at the top there are links to send you to the area you want quickly but there are also people in this world who dislike using those links. - unsigned comment from Pokegail (talk • contribs) 20:11, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

I also second Force Fire. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:25, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Picture

First off I realized that Pikachu was edited in Ash's picture when in reality he should be alone like this: Can someone remove pikachu from the picture?

Also for when the 20th movie comes out should we change his picture to his movie appearance? - unsigned comment from Theexploringgamer (talk • contribs)

The image will not be replaced, because the movie is a standalone thing, whereas his current outfit will go on for a while after the movie airs, so there's no point in changing it for the movie and then changing it back afterwards when the next Sun and Moon episode airs. Playerking95 (talk) 13:37, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Ash's Xy section

Don't you think there's a bit too much on Ash's xy section? I think it's a bit too long and detailed to the point where it spoils important parts of episodes or just that it has minor unnecessarily parts. I feel like it is like this with characters like Bonnie, Serena and xy in general - unsigned comment from Mowahib (talk • contribs)

Obviously so. I've been planning to make heavy, heavy trims once I've watched all of XY, but that may not happen for awhile. In the meantime, you're welcome to do it yourself. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 14:30, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Sun and Moon Ash Statement

A friend brought this up to me earlier today and it has an official comment from the sound director on Twitter. So... uh... I'm going to mention this. http://satoshipediaeng.altervista.org/sun-moon-is-not-continuation-of-xyz-the-main-characters-are-completely-new-ash-and-pikachu/ Pikatwig (talk) 16:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

That article doesn't make a lot of sense and seems like overly agitated ramblings. It's much, much more likely that the tweet is simply misinterpreted: "not a continuation of XYZ" just means that it's a new season, just like Best Wishes could be seen as "not a continuation of DP" and XY as "not a continuation of Best Wishes". And "a completely new Satoshi and Pikachu" is patently ridiculous to take literally; it's probably referring to his character design, or else is a metaphor for, again, starting fresh with a new season.

Let me ask you this: if Sun & Moon Ash were really a new character who's not the same as Ash from previous seasons, then how would he have been able to refer to his Tauros in SM001? It's that simple. It's the same Ash as ever, period. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

The phrasing is up for interpretation, they could've meant it's not a continuation of XYZ in tone (which sound is a huge part of), since XYZ was of course much darker and intense than SM is, and that Ash is different to his XYZ version because he's more lax than semi-serious as he was in XYZ. I think if it was an entirely different reality they would've made a much bigger deal about it Azure/ChromeVoid42 (talk) 16:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm simply bringing this up is all. Pikatwig (talk) 17:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

While I'm (sadly) leaning towards this being possible (consider the 20th movie being a drastically altered retelling of the first few episodes, and that reboots in general are for some reason huge in the entertainment industry right now), the article also argues that the Best Wishes series is a separate continuity, which is definitely untrue. TeridaxXD001 (talk) 20:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Since the tweet also contains pencil artwork of the SM series, I think the director is most likely referring to the new art style. Satsjoe (talk) 20:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Higher Quality Sun and Moon character artwork

I just found character artwork for the Sun and Moon series in a larger and higher quality. They are found on the Gulli (French TV channel) website. It also includes Ash without Pikachu.

Here's the link to the artwork: http://www.gulli.fr/Chaine-TV/Dessins-animes/Pokemon/Dresseurs (Pansagetrent9 (talk) 15:43, 16 July 2017 (UTC))

Hey, this also includes high-quality artwork for most of the SM cast, nice!

The pictures have artifacts and the colors are a bit off, but I'll try to clean them up and upload them later. Thanks for the info! --Gabo 2oo (talk) 02:54, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Possible M20 split?

Unlike the other movies, M20 is not filler. It's been said to take place in a different dimension than the main series. In other words, M20!Ash=/=MS!Ash. Should we split the page, so that all the information concerning M20!Ash does not contradict the main page. Another reason is that the two characters lived different lives, had different outfits, different companions, etc. We would no place to write the exploits of M20!Ash. It could be like what the wiki did when separating EToP!Ash from the main Ash page. Iml908 (talk) 19:03, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I've started a page for the other Ash within my user page, if anybody wants to expand upon and use it? TheFatPanda (talk) 13:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Poké Ride Stoutland picture

I removed he that picture for Poké Ride Stouland https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SM032.png because it was updated and now don't fit for that space. I actually don't have permission for reverting or upload files. Can someone put this file instead [1] TossedDwarf5019 (talk) 16:42, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Done. Satsjoe (talk) 15:26, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! TossedDwarf5019 (talk) 18:54, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Ash Kalos Full Party

May i have the previous photo from Kalos Full Party to save for myself please? Didn´t thought you guys would remove.--Robin Maximo (talk) 13:04, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Right here File:Ash Kalos Team.png --Raltseye prata med mej 13:21, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Split

I disagree with splitting Ash's Pokémon from this page. I think listing them here is important. Most of his Pokémon are only links to their own pages, so don't take up much space anyway.

However, I do think it would be a good idea to split "Ash's temporary Pokémon" to a separate page, much like List of Pokémon temporarily owned by the Team Rocket trio. They do take up a lot of space, and don't have much relevance to Ash as a character. --SnorlaxMonster 02:49, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

I do believe that's the consensus that was reached above, in case the reason you're making a new section is that you didn't see that one. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 04:30, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Ash's Buzzwole

It's currently listed under "Temporary pokémon", but it's the only pokémon in this category at the moment that Ash actually caught in a pokéball. Since Ash actually caught and then released Buzzwole it should be moved up to "Released Pokémon". The description of "Temporary pokémon" does not fit as Buzzwole is neither a wild pokémon Ash teamed up with nor belongs to another trainer. There's precedence for this in Beedrill, which Ash also actually caught in a pokéball, which is now in its own category above the one for "temporary pokémon". Mijzelffan (talk) 12:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I agree with this. Only major thing we'll have to do is make a page for Buzzwole. Super10ZX (talk) 13:02, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I think that case is the same of Seaking, catching in Johto. Ash doesn't use Buzzwole like the others Pokémon, just catch it. --Lockheedpryde (talk) 13:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Seaking has less going for it than Buzzwole. Seaking is caught as part of a game which has the rules to be released after, similarly to something like the Battle Bingo. It's even caught in an anime-only Lake Ball which seems to have a 100% catch rate and might not be an actual pokéball. No such arguments can be made for the Buzzwole however, which was caught as an ordinary wild pokémon in a legitimate pokéball. After catching it Ash even does his traditional "caught a pokémon" pose. Mijzelffan (talk) 13:59, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Seaking was caught as part of a structured competition that requires Trainers to release their Seaking back into the Seaking's natural habitat afterward; Buzzwole is caught as part of a structured team effort that requires members to release Ultra Beasts back into the UBs' natural habitat afterward. I feel like they're much more similar than you're giving them credit for. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:01, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Also, similar question. Why is Charjabug in Temporary section if it was caught and by the same episode gave to someone else like Beedrill?--Dominikololo (talk) 15:02, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

He never actually caught Charjabug in a Pokéball so it wouldn't count.--BigDocFan (talk) 15:05, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Catching Poipole

Is it safe to say Ash will catch Poipole as his 5th Pokemon judging by the Intro Japanese Future Connection? like opening animation spoilers the capture of poipole --Use Brave Bird (talk) 16:04, 20 February 2018 (UTC)Feelitstill23

Sadly Bulbapedia isn't for speculation and won't be added until the episode Ash catches Poipole, assuming he does airs.--BigDocFan (talk) 16:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

SM055

This paragraph was removed under the reasoning that Ash was not heavily focused on in SM055.

In The Professors' New Adventure!, Nebby disappeared, leaving Ash feeling sorry for not able to thank it for its help. Later, Ash discovered that Professor Kukui and Professor Burnet had decided to get married. After learning they weren't planning to have a wedding, Ash and his classmates arranged a surprise wedding ceremony, with Ash acting as the ring bearer. During the reception, Lusamine, Wicke and Faba approached Ash and his friends, with Faba apologizing for his earlier actions. The three then invited Ash and his classmates to join an Ultra Beast response unit called the Ultra Guardians, which they all agreed to. By the end of the ceremony, Ash saw Nebby flying through the sky and thanked it before Nebby disappeared.

I would disagree considering that joining the Ultra Guardians was a major plot point and lead-in to future episodes, and the Pokémon School students are directly involved in organising the wedding ceremony (in Ash's case, including waking up Professor Kukui and being the ring bearer). Also the Legendary Pokémon Ash was gifted by the Island Guardians for ten episodes (who helped with the rescue of Lusamine) leaving does seem pretty major regarding Ash and Nebby to me (that's not me saying to include EVERY capture, evolution, departure and hatching across the various regions in Ash's history section though). TardisTybort (talk) 23:33, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

It's important to note that some pages, particularly Ash's here, can get very big very easily. The history should probably be pretty broad strokes. Take a look at the Advanced Generation section: that hardly references any specific episodes, and (...without being involved in the anime much) IMO that's probably a good idea for the whole history section. (DP and BW look alright too perhaps. OS, XY, and SM can probably use greater or lesser amounts of cleaning up or compressing.)

Just glancing at what's above, I'd say that in particular the wedding may not be that important. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I do in broad terms understand being more sparing with space and compressing when a character is around for over 5 years, never mind 20 like Ash. Although I'm not 100% sure about outright being vague with citing episodes, especially when the individual series span over a hundred episodes (or at least 3 seasons) each. At a minimum, I'd feel like mentioning "after badge X" or "after town Y" or "the Z league" and put in a more chronological order than I've seen (for instance, this bit correcting how in XY, Ash's travels with Korrina come BEFORE the Summer Camp).

Specifically regarding the events of the episode, though, I still defend what I said about Ash, Nebby and the Ultra Guardians for the reasons I already said, even if I get just for space reasons we don't need to blow-by-blow mention everything that's plot related from Ultra Adventures (though off the top of my head, I think that would depend heavily on the anime character's page). TardisTybort (talk) 01:35, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Maybe my issue is I just have a vague distinction in my head between compressing/simplifying/making something less run-on vs. burning it all down. TardisTybort (talk) 01:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

I wouldn't encourage "After X/Y/Z" one after another either, this isn't a grade schooler's report on how to make peanut butter and jelly. This should be a well considered, encyclopedic summary. The AG section really is a good overview. It reads very well.

The current SM section practically comes off more as a journal, with an episode title starting basically every paragraph. I understand that it may seem difficult since that's ongoing. It's still subpar; not what we should really want. ...Or, heck, I could be half wrong. Maybe we could try to only have a broad strokes overview of most of the previous/current episodes, but—as it is the ongoing season—perhaps we could try to go into some more specific detail for the latest significant episode (such as, say, Ultra Guardians); but even that should remain as limited as possible, not letting half a dozen episodes' worth of specifics build up at the end of the section. (...I'm not demanding that the SM section change. I'm not part of the anime enough to keep that in check all the time. I'm just emphasizing that there are better things we could do—or will need to do once the series is over, at the very least.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Been thinking about this, and I think while I understand the way the paragraph beginnings look may not be ideal or sufficiently encyclopedic, I'm not hugely in favour of them being unsourced in any way either (or only sourced as far as "in the Advanced Generation series" and so forth, even though the anime more often than not changes regions long-term within the same series). Whether this is on Ash in SM or in already-completed series. I just took "in [episode whatever]" thing as a kind of inelegant stopgap. TardisTybort (talk) 11:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Kind of want to hear more opinions in the community before making any decision (I've been editing here a month, and Tiddlywinks by their own admission isn't involved much with anime characters). But for now, on this page I'm going to hold off additional "in [episode]" stuff when adding or changing info until I have a better idea for what's...par, I guess? TardisTybort (talk) 19:18, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I would agree with Tiddlywinks on this one. Given Ash is the main protagonist of the whole anime and we will be following him for years to come, our criteria for episode plot inclusion should naturally be much more stricter. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

SM061

Why aren't we counting Buzzwole as a fully owned Ash Pokemon? it's with the ones like Pokemon he borrowed and yet he clearly caught it so why don't we have a page with "Ash's Buzzwole". Sure he only had it for 7 seconds but a catch is a catch and I think it should be under released and have a profile of its own. He got a Pokeball, threw it at the Pokemon and caught it. He even did his, I CAUGHT A POKEMON! putting it with random Pokes he's borrowed or made friends with is misleading IMO because he literally caught itMuur1234 (talk) 03:04, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

The same reason Seaking is under temporary and not released, he had it for less than an episode. It's not notable for its own article, regardless of it being an Ultra Beast. There's literally nothing more you can add if it were given an article.--Force Fire 04:37, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't care too much about the article but more about the placement of the Pokemon on his page.Muur1234 (talk) 05:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

The entire purpose of the Ultra Guardians is to catch and release Ultra Beasts back to their homeworlds. It was caught by Ash for the Ultra Guardians, not as a new addition to his personal team. It's not his Pokemon nor was it ever meant to be his, so there's no real reason to treat it as such. Ataro (talk) 10:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Released Pokemon

As an Ultra Guardian, Ash has caught many ultra beasts that were afterwards released. Why are they not recorded in his released Pokémon section? - unsigned comment from Elite4Alola (talk • contribs)

Read Ataro's comment in the above section. The releasing of Ultra Beasts is not the same as Ash releasing his other Pokémon.--Force Fire 04:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Z-Crystals

Sorry if this was answered before, I don't see it. But why was the decision to favor "Trials" over "Z-crystals" made. I find it absolutely troubling that NOT all of Ash's Z-Crystals are listed simply because Grand Trials and Trials somehow take precedence. Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on Z-crystals in this case OVER trials/grand trials since the Z-crystals are more important from a wikipedia/encyclopedia perspective (at least in my opinion). Granted maybe its simply because the section was about "challenges/tournaments/whatever you want to call them" and that's why. But I definitely don't understand the reasoning behind not putting ALL of Ash's Z-crystals on the page in some fashion. Seems incomplete and inaccurate to me. But that's just my opinion, I primarily just want an explanation for why all the Z-crystals aren't listed only focusing on the ones Ash got from trials/grand trials. --Dman dustin (talk) 18:11, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Artwork

Shouldn't we add the image of Ash from New series in the artwork section? - unsigned comment from Yash Sonbhurra (talk • contribs)

We will eventually, there's uncertainty whether this is normal Anime Ash or Movie Reboot Ash. And please remember to end comments with four tildes (~) Azure/ChromeVoid42 (talk) 13:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Understood most but the movie reboot part. Can you please define? --> 『★¥♠§H♂』 (『†@!K™』) 13:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Movies 20 and 21 do not follow the same Ash as the anime, they follow an AU Ash. There's uncertainty because artwork and font is similar to Movie 21 Azure/ChromeVoid42 (talk) 14:42, 29 September 2019 (UTC)