Bulbapedia talk:Userspace policy

Per Day

What time zone will days be counted by? The time zone each user is in, the server's timezone, something entirely different? I think this might be a very good thing to have stated in the policy, might help to avoid people proclaiming others have gone over the limit due to the day not resetting in their time zone yet, or any other time related possibilities. - Kogoro | Talk to me | 06:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

If we have to get technical, it would be UTC. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 08:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Getting technical would probably be best. When things go unwritten on the policy pages, they often get questioned. See the last topic on the talk page for the Signature policy. - Kogoro | Talk to me | 09:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be based on a user's own time zone. ^Chocolate 01:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

That takes too much research for just a warning, and, not everyone has their time zone specified. It would be too much hassle for the slight benefit it would make for the person breaking the rules and editing the userspace too much. ^Maverick_Nate 01:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Error

               Anything we find that shouldn't be there, we will get rid of it.

Does anyone else think that this sentence is kinda wacky?--RexRacer -talk 23:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

i do. i took care of it. hope its satisfactory. -- MAGNEDETH 23:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

the f word

are fanfics allowed, I was told they werent, but theres nothing on theres saying fanfics is not allwoed? --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

Fanfics aren't allowed. They forgot to mention it on the policy, but it's been stated several times, and a while ago the admins deleted all fanfics. --electAbuzzzz 17:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe they are allowed now? --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

No. They're not. No reason why they should ever be allowed. --electAbuzzzz 19:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Just some things

This policy doesn't mention the number of additional pages which user's are allowed to have in addition to their main user space (User:<name>/<page title>). This would tie in with how much content a user would be allowed to have on their main user page (...shouldn't be larger than -- bytes). Also, if a page would become mainspace material upon completion, with Admin assent, would the number of edits per day affect this page? TESHIGIGAS 17:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

ARE YOU ALLOWED FANFICS? --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

No. --ニョロトノ666 01:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Added. -- MAGNEDETH 02:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

back to the topic at hand, this is something that was discussed, but ultimately never agreed on, so, i think we should agree on something. as for pages bound to become mainspace, that is based on what an admin says, we already sort of do that. i think it was Cipher for example made a TCG page in userspace, but then moved into mainspace, but, he had an admin's permission to edit it more than the allotted 3 times. -- MAGNEDETH 02:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

How about...

Instead of the limit being 3 edits per day, and users being warned for going over the limit, how about we do some work on the site that will make it so that once you've done 3 edits to the User: name space, the edit button disappears for the rest of the day? Think about it. It'll take a lot of work, but it'll be for the better in my opinion, because then, we won't have to worry about anyone going over the limit ever again. Discuss. ^Chocolate_{((Talk to Me|Look at My Contributions))} 16:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Anybody home? Chocolate_{((Talk to Me|Look at My Contributions))} 22:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Is that even possible?--The Kkllnnator カメックス 22:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, it was possible to create the abuse user group. However, Zhen said that it took a lot of work to do. I'd imagine my suggestion is possible, but it'd take a lot of work. Chocolate_{((Talk to Me|Look at My Contributions))} 22:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't even know if something like this is even possible. Jmath 22:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

With a high level of hacking the MediaWiki itself, it is indeed possible. Just, who has ftp access? Gywall^(Talk) 22:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I think developers have ftp access. Chocolate_{((Talk to Me|Look at My Contributions))} 22:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't that with hold everyone for only doing three? There are many cases where doing more than three is allowed: reverting vandalism, redlinks, duplicate images, updating that card list. Warning users is not hard, we've been doing well with doing it. But restricting it so that you can only make three edits would cause a lot of problems. ^Maverick_Nate 23:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, since admins are allowed to go over the limit, we could make it so that it doesn't happen to admins. Chocolate_{((Talk to Me|Look at My Contributions))} 23:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, that totally stops normal users from being Mavericks and being able to fix the problems they see themselves. Not everything has to be done by admins, you know. We check what each edit does and we figure out the warnings that way...If a template is causing a broken category, anyone is allowed to fix it...and that edit wouldn't count towards total. I just don't like the cons this would cause: because in this situation, the cons outweigh the pros. It would make things a lot harder for everyone. ^Maverick_Nate 23:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. I've gone past three edits on several occasions. Mostly due to my habit of patrolling for wrongly-categorised user pages. Gywall^(Talk) 11:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify for the newbies

I think the policypage needs a brief mention of the fact that all subpages are included under this. It is briefly alluded to in a middle paragraph but I think it needs to be made clear as crystal that the three/day rule applies to the subs. — THE TROM — 07:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Personal CSS

What about these? Do they count as edits to the userspace or are they to be thought as "My preferences" thing?--Diby 13:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering this too. As of this day, I've included them into the 3-edit limit, but it'd be better if they weren't included (you can't preview all elements on different parts of the site in the Preview view). UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 13:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I've already discussed this a bit, but not with the entire EB. My personal opinion is that it shouldn't count towards the limit; like Ultimate mentioned, sometimes you can's simply Show Preview.

However. If someone is editing their user CSS page more then three times a day for multiple days in a row, then it's worthy of a warning. I mean, no user should ever need to update their CSS that much; they're the only ones who can see it, normally you just change your layout and you're done with it.

If someone has to take five edits to finish their CSS, no big deal. If they update it every two days with five edits, then I'd consider that abuse, and warn them accordingly. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 07:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Out of Pure Curiousity

Is there a certain amount of userspace articles that you can have? I've been wanting to know this for at least several days, but I kept forgetting to ask. For an example, let's use me, how many User:ShinjiLover/(name)'s can I have? 10? 20? Unlimited? Love, シンジ_ShinjiLover, who dreams of beating BulbaBot

I heard there's only 3 allowed, but I'm not TOO sure... ^ht14 03:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

The admins want you to have three, but I'm fairly certain that doesn't include test pages for templates and articles. At least, in my view, it shouldn't (and if it does then TTE is in trouble!). But for fancrap, just three. — THE TROM — 04:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

The limit is officially from me "not too many". As long as there's not a subpage for everything, it should be fine, especially if it's a to-be-mainspace'd project, which I have several of.

Anyway, three cheers, guys, for being well-behaved, the limit on edits is now four per day without warning. TTEchidna 00:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

3 or 4 Edits?

I've been seeing so many changes to this rule. I've gotten in trouble for make four edits to my userspace, and then someone said that making four was fine. After that, I read that Bulbapedia no longer allows four edits but, rather, three again. So which is it? シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 02:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Neither. The limit itself has been abolished. However, if the majority of your edits are to your userpage, or user subpages, or if you do exceed around 6 in a short period of time. You can be warned. Keep the userspace edits to a minimum, and there's little to worry about. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 02:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Simply put, it's like the speed limits in Montana prior to 1999. Reasonable and prudent, with no limits otherwise. As long as it's kept within reasonable means, you won't get in trouble; of course, enough edits to flood the recent changes is enough to get set to abuse right away, similar to how the Montana speed limit law ended up changed. --Shiningpikablu252 02:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Games

Why aren't games or fake characters allowed in userspace? --HideInTheDark 18:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

User games have had many problems in the past, but I do not know why fake characters are not allowed. Ask TTE. --Theryguy512 21:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Every user and his dog had a game, or a fake character and fanfics. Some users had 20+ sub pages just for themselves, and edited it constantly. They were getting more attention and were basic beacons to EDIT the user space only. So they're gone.User:DCM 21:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining it, DCM. --Theryguy512 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I read that wrong. Fake characters lead to fan fics. fan fics lead to games. It doesnt benefit the pedia in anyway, it harms it.User:DCM 21:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, not necessarily. But not to get into an arguement; I still believe that they shouldn't be allowed. --Theryguy512 21:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

"Fake Characters"

The policy states that you CANNOT make your own new characters/Pokémon, but the "new member greeting" post on my talk page directly contradicts that. Should the"welcome" message be altered?--Vib 00:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Go for it. Just not too many, okay? A ton of userspace edits will still slow down the server. Kinda like it was this morning.... — THE TROM — 01:57, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Intent?

Hai, noob here. I'm just wondering what the intent of the userspace edit rule is; why it exists. It's the first of its kind I've encountered. AlishaShatogi 08:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

In the past, every second user had pages and pages and pages of unencyclopedic crap. This took a huge toll on the server (every single tiny edit was saved forever and ever), and by disallowing edits here, the creation and growth of our Pokémon encyclopedia has improved a bazillion percent. It's nothing personal against anyone, but we are not Facebook or Myspace, we are Pokémon fans building a reference point about our hobby, interest and (in some extreme cases) obsession. The "don't edit lots" rule is similar, as we encourage you to contribute to articles instead of making your own personal webpage. — THE TROM — 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Ahah. That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. AlishaShatogi 08:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Permanent?

Is the inability to edit user pages permanent? Dilophosaurus Rex 10:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

No, but considering you've only lost yours for a day now, there's a long way to go yet. Generally, the required sentence is approximately a month, but the true deciding factor is the way you edit the articles. —darklordtrom 10:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

A whole month? Damn! OK, so what is the true deciding factor? What do I have to do to shorten this sentence? Dilophosaurus Rex 14:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually edit the mainspace, and gain the privilege back. You were only editing your page for two weeks and nothing else. That's a problem. You must balence your edits. So, instead of complaining, find some content pages to edit. ^Maverick_Nate 14:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. OK. Then I will carry on with a personal project of mine: to add the Dutch names of all attacks to their pages. Dilophosaurus Rex 14:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, I've been editing lots of mainspace pages, and still my privileges are taken. Dilophosaurus Rex 20:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Relax. If all you want to do is edit your userspace--if that's why you're here--well, you're here for the wrong reasons. -- evkl _{(need to talk?)} 21:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

That's not entirely why I'm here. I'm here to help out and add all things in the Dutch language because no-one else here seems to be capable to do so. But editing my userpage is also why I'm here, because I need to keep my YouTube subscribers up to date. And I can't do that if I can't edit my userpage. Dilophosaurus Rex 21:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

..."Pages or templates that spoof the interface."

Does this mean I have to delete my userspace template? --αワニノコ 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

No.--ForceFire 14:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)