Bulbapedia talk:Project TCG/Archive/1

You're officially hurting my head

... okay. We need to start coming to some sort of a consensus on the articles on the individual cards. We have too many naming conventions, just for starters - we have ones named with a set abbreviation and number, like Blastoise (BS002), we have ones named with an unabbreviated set and number, like Spoink (EX Dragon 73), we have ones named just by set, like Bill (Base Set), and then we have ones which are just labeled as 'TCG', such as ones where it applies to a lot of things and thus makes sense, like Fire (TCG), and ones where it does not apply to a lot of things and thus is more debatable, like Double Colorless Energy (TCG). And for each naming convention, we have a notable number of cards following the convention. This is unacceptable, people. You hurt my head and make it difficult for me to have any idea how to organize things. Let's pick one convention - and only one convention - for all the cards out there and stick with it. Please. --Pie 19:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Negative. The problem is, with the older sets, the number is redundant, since there are few cards with the same name (i.e. same Pokémon). The newer sets, however, like to do that. On top of that, the number creates an artificial distinction between holographic and normal cards. Then you have the energy cards which appear in all the sets. So - at least three schemes are required. - 振霖_T 00:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, come on, I'm sure we could at least cut it down to at least two, with only one for the majority of the cards - numbers may be redundant with older sets, but there's no reason why we couldn't have them anyway just to keep things to a standard - standards make things so much easier to organize, and people are numbering the cards in the old sets anyway, just differently. And then there's the (TCG) convention, which, sure, could apply to the basic energy cards, much like other things which are global TCG-wise - but the special energy cards could do without them, I'm sure. --Pie 01:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

All right, I think we can do this

How does this work for the disambig policy?

• All cards, except for energy cards (which are all common and similar enough to just get a TCG tag) will get a TCG ID tag, identifying the set and number of the card.
• In the case that there is only one card of a certain name in the whole TCG, the "Name (TCG)" name will redirect to that single card.
• In the case that there is multiple cards of a certain name in the whole TCG (which is extremely common, as I'm sure you guys know), the "Name (TCG)" name will be a disambig among all the different cards.
• In the case that there is both theme decks and cards of a certain name in the whole TCG (which occurs several time in Gym Heroes and Gym Challenge), the "Name (TCG)" name will be a theme deck, with a separate disambig page for cards with the same name.
• Reprint cards, such as those in Base Set 2, do not get their own articles. Links should be directed to the original card article, with a redirect from the reprint set name and number.

Any problems with this? It's not simple - but with so many cards with so many of the same names, it's necessary, I'd say. --Pie 19:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Eh, if you ask me, reprint cards should get their own articles. Also, there are the Game Boy TCG sets, which distributed cards into sets with mixtures of cards from different real sets, along with some Game Boy exclusive cards. I believe the two TCG Game Boy games also had different in-game sets from one another. There are also Japanese-exclusive promo cards that were never numbered. There were also some specially marked cards like the prerelease cards, Pokémon Center marked cards, and Winner symbol cards, odd things like the gold-bordered Jungle Meowth... Oh, and there were some sets of unnumbered promo energy cards too.

As for other things related to the project, the format for the cards could use some working on. Maybe a picture of the whole card instead of the way it is now, to leave more room for other information and make things a bit easier. Also, the earlier sets had Pokédex entries on them, which should be included. Other than that, there are a lot of obscure Japanese-only promo cards out there, and it would be nice to get information on them. -Happy Mask Man 03:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

No, I really think that we've got more than enough without articles for reprints. I do think, though, that there's no reason why the original card articles can have a subsection for the reprints. And odd things are being organized as much as possible already, I think. ^^o

Format could totally use an overhaul. If you're up for it, by all means, go for it. My involvement in the TCGDex doesn't extend much further than naming and organization, since I do stuff like that for all of Bulbapedia - the project could use some devoted workers. --Pie 03:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

(Well, I also made the logo, too. But that was purely for fun. ^^o) --Pie 03:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've been thinking over the article naming scheme... I'm thinking that we should use levels instead of set numbers for the older sets that had them. Also, the E-cards should use the ID number that has a letter and a number, seeing as how those stay the same between Japanese and English cards. I'm not too sure what to do for the sets past then, but I think it would be best to use naming schemes that are universal between the Japanese and English cards, to make it easier to deal with differences between the way the sets are set up. As for the article format, I'm working on that a bit right now. It's not really done, but you can get the gist of what it'll look like here. I'm not the best at formatting things, so it's not quite polished up yet. But hey, it's got to be better than the current one, right? -Happy Mask Man 07:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the levels will really work out the disambiguating issue very well; I mean, the only thing we can guarantee cards to have is a set and an English set number. And at least our current method makes it easy to write out the lists in the set articles. I think those articles as well as the Search will make up the difference for those more familiar with the Japanese version (and plus, we're more associated with the English version of everything). However, I do like what you're starting to do with the article format, definitely. It'll need linking in the infobox, but it's a good adaptation of the template we use the most to the TCG style. --Pie 07:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, some cards only appear in one version of a set, like say, Japanese Fossil set's Mew and English Team Rocket set's Dark Raichu. Since set numbers are set up differently in Japanese and English cards, it would be hard to fit in one of those cards if we used identification that only one language has, whether it be English or Japanese. See, it's not an issue of people who are more familiar with a certain language version, but one of keeping article names universal within a set, while still being able to deal with cards that only appear in one version of a set. -Happy Mask Man 08:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Care to join...?

This may be the wrong place to ask, but would any of you TCG people care to join Project Decks? You can read about it on the link, and for a couple of good examples of our deck pages, check out Raieggs and Haymaker. It would be great to have some new members, and you don't even need to know about decks that are currently tournament legal:) Just ask on the talk page or add your name to the participants list here: Project Decks.

Politoed666 02:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

May I join?

May I join this Project? I really like the TCG and have cards enough to do card pages. --Netto-kun 22:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Since no one listens, I'll put my name in the page. --Netto-kun File:Ani394MS.gif 10:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much anyone can join any project. They just have to be prepared for any exasperated arm waving there might be if they miss a minor detail... TTEchidna 20:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

PrevNext?

Would it be a good or bad idea to do a PrevNext thing for the cards within a set, with, of course, multiple ones for cards that were reprinted. Now, of course, I don't mean something like EpisodePrevNext that spans the bottom of the page, but maybe like I have it in the infobox...

And I was also wondering... should we categorize the cards in their sets by the number? I mean, like, for Charizard, categorizing it as a Base Set card and using its card number as its order, so it'd fall between Chansey and Clefairy. We'd have to do it as [[Category:Base Set cards|004]] so as to keep them in line... eh, what's everyone think? Is the name-based one easier to look at? TTEchidna 20:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I liked the PrevNext thing. It's a good idea to use. -- File:Ani154MS.gifNetto-kunFile:Ani394MS.gif 23:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Seconded, I was looking for something like this, as I am uploading a bunch of English card scans, many of which are consecutive. Thevictor390 02:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Project TCGDex notice

The Project TCGDex notice is ruining the articles with it, because most of the doesn't have a <br clear="all"> and it is ruining with the Infobox. See Pidgeotto (EX FireRed & LeafGreen 45). This needs to be fixed in almost every page. -- File:Ani154MS.gifNetto-kunFile:Ani394MS.gif 23:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

just add the br clearall to the template {{:User:Jason/sig}} 00:49, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I tried it and it doesn't work. It has to be fixed in every page. --

File:Ani154MS.gifNetto-kunFile:Ani394MS.gif 11:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Copied and Pasted Information

I really think it needs to be clear that if any of you guys copy and paste lists from TCG websites, you do some fact checking to make sure it's all right. Some very large and popular ocean-themed TCG sites intentionally put errors all over the place. So if you're going to "borrow" information at least be sure everything is correct. Just thought you guys would like to know.

~~peace dawgz~~ --Porygon 05:05, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

ppppfffftttt.....pokebeach.....ppppfffffftttttt..... {{User:Jason/sig}} 07:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it apparently has happened many times and WPM states that the errors on this site prove that the information was directly copied. I'm just saying you guys might want to be aware of this so it can fixed whenever.

Also hi Jade. --Porygon 20:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Changed effects?

Hello, long time no see. What are we going to do with cards that have changed effects? eg. Metal Energy (special). There are others. - Plau 17:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: I've noticed that the format for trainers and energies are different from pokemon cards, shouldn't we standardize them to the pokemon format? - Plau 17:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. But we're lazy. TTEchidnaFire echy 04:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Set infoboxes?

Okay, we've got 'em for the cards, now should we do them from the expansions themselves? Also, I think they should be reformatted... TTEchidnaFire echy 04:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

A question...

Anyone think it'd be nice to have a template that links to both set name and card name? For example, instead of having to do {{TCG|Base Set}} {{TCG ID|Base Set|Charizard|4}} to get Base Set Charizard, it'd link to the Base Set with just one template, kind of like how we have {{type2}} and so on... TTEchidna 00:06, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Scans of cards

2 items that should be covered:

• Is there a naming standard for the images of cards? If so, what are they?
• If there is a scan of a card in Japanese, and I have an English version of the card and can scan it, would it be better to replace the Japanese card with the English version?

Thanks for answers, I'm hoping to add a bunch of scans in the future. Berrymaster 19:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Two answers:

• Not really. If you want just try and abbreviate it. They aren't used on pages outside of their article, so there's no need to make it streamlined. For example, Majestic Dawn's Articuno, put it at ArticunoMD1 or something if you want.
• Yes please.

You're welcome. TTEchidna 19:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

No, there's no real naming standard for card images. I usually do them in groups, and lately I've taken to putting the set initials in front of the card name, i.e. "MDEmpoleon.jpg" for Empoleon (Majestic Dawn 17). Also, I think the Japanese images are cool! --ニョロトノ666 19:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Since Bulbapedia is pretty much an English-language wiki, I think the English cards are more appropriate for the site than Japanese. I do think that if there are no English card scans Japanese versions will suffice, but English should be prefered. - unsigned comment from Berrymaster (talk • contribs)

In that case, I just found my old collection of something like 90% of the base set, about 60% of the Jungle and Fossil, 4 promos, and several Rocket and Gym heroes, all in English, and all in good enough condition to scan with maybe a little touch-up around the edges. Is there any reason not to upload these? I hate to replace all of the images someone else took the time to upload, but as stated, this is a primarily English site and all of the card images I've seen so far are Japanese. Is there some way we could keep both the Japanese and English images? Thevictor390 03:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

If you have the English translations of the cards, then feel free to replace the Japanese ones. If the cards don't have pictures, also try to put those up as well. ^Moldy_Orange 03:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Will do, thanks. Is there a standard image size or format? The current ones seem to be all 162 x 226 jpg, which seems a little small. Unless file size on server is an issue I'll try to do something a little bigger. Thevictor390 03:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: Wow, after a look at the Base Set page, I realized many of my cards are First Edition or "shadowless." Anyway, I've officially started scanning, expect to see some English images soon. Thevictor390 02:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC) (sorry, late sign, forgot before).

Resistance

So certain cards, and perhaps most cards, such as Charizard (Base Set 4) list resistance as being "", whereas certain other cards, such as Bellossom (Aquapolis H5) list resistance as being "-30". So essentially my question is where should the "-30" be used, and where should it not be used? Personally I think that the "-30" should be used whenever it is printed on the card, especially since newer cards such as Dialga (Diamond & Pearl 1) have numbers other than "-30". I really don't personally care which way this goes, but I would like some kind of consensus so that we can make it consistent. Drapion 21:35, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

They should be used whenever there is one, it just was forgotten that specific card. ^Moldy_Orange 23:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, that doesn't seem to be the case since I'm pretty sure that all of the cards from Base Set and Jungle and Fossil and probably more don't have the "-30". Chansey (Base Set 3), Clefairy (Base Set 5), Clefable (Jungle 1), Kangaskhan (Jungle 5), Aerodactyl (Fossil 1), Articuno (Fossil 2) are just a few of many examples. I'm willing to change them all myself, but if people don't want me change them then I won't. Drapion 15:04, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Change them, like i said: they should be there! ^Moldy_Orange 18:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Rarity symbols in text

I notice that we use stars and deltas in some card text already. How about for rarity symbols? , , and could be replaced with ●, ♦, and ★. This would take up less space on the server and require fewer HTTP requests for images. IIMarckus 05:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, ew. Those look terrible in this font. IIMarckus 05:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Then again, when in bold they aren’t so bad: ● ♦ ★ vs ● ♦ ★.