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:: The documentation template just needs to transclude the /doc subpage on to the template page, so that if template pages need to be protected, documentation can remain editable. The template you've created is great, but also way too much for what our wiki needs. The one you've created seems based on the system Wikipedia uses, and their templating system is massively more complicated than ours. As for tables vs div, on a regular website I would absolutely agree, but on MediaWiki, a basic three row table is a lot less code and easier for a new user to understand. We want to encourage new users to dive into templates more, and to do that we want to keep them as simple as possible. I also think categories can be included on the template page itself, having them on the sub-page is adding unnecessary complexity. I want to stress that what you've created is really good... It's just not what we need. - [[User:BthrussellUK|bthrussellUK]] ([[User Talk:BthrussellUK|talk]]) 17:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 
:: The documentation template just needs to transclude the /doc subpage on to the template page, so that if template pages need to be protected, documentation can remain editable. The template you've created is great, but also way too much for what our wiki needs. The one you've created seems based on the system Wikipedia uses, and their templating system is massively more complicated than ours. As for tables vs div, on a regular website I would absolutely agree, but on MediaWiki, a basic three row table is a lot less code and easier for a new user to understand. We want to encourage new users to dive into templates more, and to do that we want to keep them as simple as possible. I also think categories can be included on the template page itself, having them on the sub-page is adding unnecessary complexity. I want to stress that what you've created is really good... It's just not what we need. - [[User:BthrussellUK|bthrussellUK]] ([[User Talk:BthrussellUK|talk]]) 17:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
  
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I see you and others working on new infobox templates, such as [[User:BthrussellUK/Company Infobox]] and [[User:BthrussellUK/Merchandise Infobox]]. However, I could try making single modules for infoboxes, so the infoboxes become much easier to code.
 
I see you and others working on new infobox templates, such as [[User:BthrussellUK/Company Infobox]] and [[User:BthrussellUK/Merchandise Infobox]]. However, I could try making single modules for infoboxes, so the infoboxes become much easier to code.
  
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I know, it would require large amounts of re-coding many infoboxes, which could potentially induce server stress, but I think my initiative can work. I didn't make those modules yet, but I will make them soon. --<span style="font-family:Corbel,sans-serif">'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|<span style="color:#4ed">Bfdi</span>]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|<span style="color:#3f3">fan</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|<span style="color:#ea4">2006</span>]]'''''</span> 20:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 
I know, it would require large amounts of re-coding many infoboxes, which could potentially induce server stress, but I think my initiative can work. I didn't make those modules yet, but I will make them soon. --<span style="font-family:Corbel,sans-serif">'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|<span style="color:#4ed">Bfdi</span>]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|<span style="color:#3f3">fan</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|<span style="color:#ea4">2006</span>]]'''''</span> 20:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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:While a great idea in principle, we currently have 130 templates in [[:Category:Infobox templates]], and many of these infoboxes are used on hundreds of pages. To change how they function would involve a massive amount of work that would need to be planned and co-ordinated way ahead of time. I think in the long (long long) term, there will probably be a review of templates and how they are built. But right now the main focus is on documenting what we currently have. I'd hold off on building any of these modules for the time being. - [[User:BthrussellUK|bthrussellUK]] ([[User Talk:BthrussellUK|talk]]) 00:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you! :) - bthrussellUK (talk) 14:53, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Categories

Please don't add tables like you have been to category pages. A single-sentence description alone is enough. --Abcboy (talk) 23:40, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, it was more for the navigation from the home page. The links on the right hand side plonk you on a catagory page, and for someone new to Bulbapedia who was looking for the Trading Card Game or Video Games that might be a little overwhelming? So I thought a more obvious link through to the main page for each thing might be helpful? I'll admit I got a little carried away however, and I won't put any more on. - bthrussellUK (talk) 23:49, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Date formats

Dates should be formatted in US date format (<month name> <day>, <year>). This is for consistency across the wiki and with the games, which also use American English. --Abcboy (talk) 05:01, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Proposed templates

Proposed templates in your userspace must be approved by the Editorial Board first, and then moved to the mainspace, before being put in use. Thank you.--ForceFire 16:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Since you’ve done Hulu…

I feel like Amazon Prime Video should be your next target, also expanding the US section to focus on what’s streaming free there, while leaving the sales stuff separately--KnightGalarie (talk) 15:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Addendum: Where should a “Pokemon on Amazon” redirect go?--KnightGalarie (talk) 04:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
To be honest I think "Pokémon on Amazon" is a little too vague a concept. You could mean the merchandise, video games, anime or movies for sale on Amazon, so for it to link anywhere specific would probably be confusing to someone looking for something else. A redirect for the sake of a redirect isn't good, they're only for common misspellings, or when a particular subject doesn't have it's own page.
Having said all that: I'm probably not the person to ask, an admin or someone from the editorial board is better placed to answer this - bthrussellUK (talk) 10:50, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Making articles

Hey there, if you want to create an article, it's best to make it in your userspace first and wait for it to get approval from the staff to see if it's worth having. Your Viaplay article was of questionable notability since it doesn't appear to be an English service. Generally, English providers are notable as we're an English wiki, while anything relating to specific countries goes to their respective "Pokemon in <country>" article. Japan is the only exception. Your Viaplay article has been moved to your userspace and the staff will decide whether it's notable.--ForceFire 06:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, the reason I gave Viaplay an article of its own is because it spans multiple countries. That's why when I added ITV Hub and Now TV to the VOD template I didn't give them a page, as I was intending (eventually) to add them to the UK page (and DisneyNOW already redirects to the US page). - bthrussellUK (talk) 10:32, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
The redirect you claim existed did not when you made the claim, and does not as I write this--KnightGalarie (talk) 13:21, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
The redirect I "claim to exist" is the one for DisneyNOW on the VOD template. Click the link and it takes you to the Pokémon in the United States article. The redirects for ITV Hub and Now TV don't exist, as nothing has been written about them yet. I'm not sure the existence of redirects was the point of this discussion - it was about Force Fire letting me know I had jumped the gun with an article, and me explaining my rational for creating it... - bthrussellUK (talk) 13:33, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Major changes

Hey there, if you want to make a major change, you must ask on the talk page if you can make the change and wait for it to get approved. Also, don't leave the change unfinished, try to do it all in one edit, or at least somewhat complete. Thank you.--ForceFire 15:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, but I'm not sure what about my edit was unfinished or incomplete? - bthrussellUK (talk) 15:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I meant the template itself, and you also seemed to have removed the other sections (like trivia) and the categories/interwiki links.--ForceFire 15:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm really not sure what is happening - When I was editing the page on my PC on Chrome, I made sure to preview the page and it all looked fine, as it did when I submitted it, but looking on the history and comparing it to other revisions all the code seems to be missing after those first few cells of the first table. I'm really confused about where the disconnect is between what I submit and what actually appears on the website, and why when I looked at the page it seemed fine, but clearly others are seeing something different. As you can see, I tried to edit the spacing of the table and resubmitted the page to see if it fixed it, but it didn't so I undid again. Apologies for not understanding the issue at first, but the page seemed totally fine from my end, and I'm totally confused as to why it won't work! - bthrussellUK (talk) 16:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Ok, so it turns out using a Musical Note emoji breaks everything! So I changed it for an image... Really sorry about all this! - bthrussellUK (talk) 16:31, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Like ForceFire said, if you want to make a major change, you should ask first.

...If a staff member reverts such a change and tells you to discuss it, you really shouldn't go about and try to do your edit again. (If such disregard proves to be a habit, you may face a temporary block.)

(I'll also note that when something breaks and you don't know why...again: ASK. Doing the same thing again (several times even) isn't gonna change anything.)

The more established a page is, the more strongly you should generally consider discussing a change. And all the more for pages that are major subjects on the wiki.

I will revert your edits to Pokémon anime. Feel free to start a discussion on the talk page. And, to be clear, please do not redo your edits without approval.

Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Documentation template

I like how well you executed an idea I also wanted to execute: User:Bfdifan2006/Doc. However, I wanted to tell you some stuff about that:

  • Using a table for the header
    • I know, using a table for the header is quite good, but it's not a really good approach regarding modern web design standards. Bulbapedia is using it possibly because TTEchidna showed us, despite the infinite block, that using tables for site layout is easier than you think. However, "easy in theory" does not exactly mean "good in practice".
  • Documentation header template
    • A separate template, just to be shown on documentation subpages (but not on the main template page), could come useful when we have to specifically categorize template description pages.
  • Categories and interwikis
    • Because participation is important on Bulbapedia, a notice that all categories and interwikis are to be added only to the template subpage, in <includeonly> tags on the documentation subpage.
  • Documentation page preload

Having thoughts about all this? You can write them down here. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 21:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

The documentation template just needs to transclude the /doc subpage on to the template page, so that if template pages need to be protected, documentation can remain editable. The template you've created is great, but also way too much for what our wiki needs. The one you've created seems based on the system Wikipedia uses, and their templating system is massively more complicated than ours. As for tables vs div, on a regular website I would absolutely agree, but on MediaWiki, a basic three row table is a lot less code and easier for a new user to understand. We want to encourage new users to dive into templates more, and to do that we want to keep them as simple as possible. I also think categories can be included on the template page itself, having them on the sub-page is adding unnecessary complexity. I want to stress that what you've created is really good... It's just not what we need. - bthrussellUK (talk) 17:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Templates

I see you and others working on new infobox templates, such as User:BthrussellUK/Company Infobox and User:BthrussellUK/Merchandise Infobox. However, I could try making single modules for infoboxes, so the infoboxes become much easier to code.

The templates that I'm talking about are:

  • Infobox/title (can support up to two icons if needed, e.g. villainous team logos)
  • Infobox/image (of course, add support for multiple images, but I think it could support both local and external images?)
  • Infobox/data (the single unit of the infobox's data)
  • Infobox/header (to group data into sections)
  • Infobox/footer (for footnotes, and to close the infobox)

I know, it would require large amounts of re-coding many infoboxes, which could potentially induce server stress, but I think my initiative can work. I didn't make those modules yet, but I will make them soon. --Bfdifan2006 20:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

While a great idea in principle, we currently have 130 templates in Category:Infobox templates, and many of these infoboxes are used on hundreds of pages. To change how they function would involve a massive amount of work that would need to be planned and co-ordinated way ahead of time. I think in the long (long long) term, there will probably be a review of templates and how they are built. But right now the main focus is on documenting what we currently have. I'd hold off on building any of these modules for the time being. - bthrussellUK (talk) 00:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)