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You've been told by an admin that you shouldn't undo an edit just because YOU think it includes bad grammar. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Spiritomb_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=2868512 That's not constructive. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 15:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
You've been told by an admin that you shouldn't undo an edit just because YOU think it includes bad grammar. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Spiritomb_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=2868512 That's not constructive. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 15:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
:Sorry. It's just a fact that said edit legitimately contained grammatical errors. I also personally saw that the sentence structure could've been better. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:46, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
:Sorry. It's just a fact that said edit legitimately contained grammatical errors. I also personally saw that the sentence structure could've been better. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:46, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
== Detective Pikachu Cameos ==
Why did you remove the cameo Pokemon from the Detective Pikachu film page? They do appear in the film and I did specifically list them as being a cameo. So, why did you remove them? Thanks. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 16:28, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Revision as of 16:28, 14 November 2018

Archieved talks: User talk:FinnishPokéFan92/Archive 1 (archieved on November 5, 2015)


XY093 errors

Why did you erase the error section of All Eyes on the Future!? You said you disagree with them, but that doesn't make them any less of mistakes. Light Screen was shown protecting the male Meowstic from Talonflame's Flame Charge despite Light Screen only reducing damage from Special Attacks, like Frogadier's Water Pulse, not from Physical Attacks like Talonflame's Flame Charge. Later on in that episode, when Talonflame used Steel Wing on the male Meowstic, Professor Sycamore said that Light Screen doesn't work on Physical Attacks like Steel Wing. Later, Clemont claimed that Prankster was making Helping Hand a priority move when Helping Hand is already one to begin with, for Helping Hand always goes first even if the Pokémon using it didn't have Prankster as their ability. Keen Eye only prevents your Pokémon's accuracy from lowering and ignores an opponent's evasive stats. Professor Sycamore claimed that Psyshock was chasing Frogadier and Talonflame because the female Meostic had Keen Eye, but moments ago, you clearly see the Meowstic using Psychic to make the Psyshock go after Ash's Pokémon. That's why these are mistakes. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 17:11, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Finally some Colo data

I finally got my rear in gear with some of that Colo/XD team data. I've got Colosseum teams now. Here's the file.

There are some comments in the file. The file is huge... I imagine the easiest thing will be to poke around BP's pages and just search for the right Trainers in the file. If you have any questions about anything, feel free to ask. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:32, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a ton! I'll hopefully get on with it later today. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I figured out a couple things I did wrong for that Colosseum data with the gender. Half is BP's Shadow and non-Shadow templates acting a bit differently when the "gender=" parameter is missing, and half is a separate mistake on my part. I'll fix that up later on and update the link above.
FYI, right now for XD, I've mostly got the story data converted (just testing a few Trainers, and finding things like that gender issue), but XD also has a good amount of data for other modes, which (with the lazy-ish way I'm doing it) will also be a bit of an annoyance to make work (mostly tedious). Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
XD data. I've also fixed up the Colosseum data (replaced above; if you wanna check some of the differences, try searching for Entei.)
Colosseum's gender data is pretty straightforward, so I think it's OK now, but XD's is less so... For now for XD, I've assumed all Shadow Pokemon have a random gender (so far as they can), and everything else's gender works like I *think* it does. If you're ever in doubt, you can always try to check playthrough videos. I've done that a bit already while testing my output, and where I have, my data was right (and not just for gender; though Abilities can be hard to be sure about). Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Hyperspace Hole

Did Hoopa literally used Hyperspace Hole in the movie when it was summoning Pokémon? Because someone told me it did. Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

I doubt it was Hyperspace Hole, since Hoopa Unbound did it too, and it already has four other moves. Remember, the anime has been pretty consistent with the "only four moves at a time" thing over the recent years, so... --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:40, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
That was Hyperspace Fury. It's Unbound Form doesn't use Hyperspace Hole. Only when it is in its Confined Form.Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 06:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
I know. That's what I was saying. The rings are just Hoopa's special power. Confined didn't use them as an attack, so it wasn't Hyperspace Hole. Also, Unbound used its rings the same way too, so it can't be that move. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:56, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Clemont's Inventions

Can you add the information of Clemont's inventions from XY088 and XY089, please? -- Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 22:10, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Old Amber

I don't understand why there's no need for that. In gen. I there weren't key items, and it doesnt say so in the text. ( first time: 8 November 2015 9:33:45 (UTC)) Lokki (talk) 20:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


I just want to go into a bit more detail about why I like the order I wrote on Dewford Town. I can certainly understand reasons for liking other orderings, and it's hard to say what may be "always" best, so I think there's definitely room for discussion. =)

1) I don't think there should be any "separation" of the games (which I'm just guessing is the reason you put the Ribbon last on Dewford). I.e., I really don't like the idea of putting all the items that first appeared in RS first, then all the items that appeared in E (but not RS), then all the items that appeared in ORAS (but not RSE) (or whatever games). That's just confusing as hell in longer lists.

2) I think items should be listed by an order of traversal. Basically, pick something that at least makes some (consistent) sense, and stick to it. Basically, N to S then E to W, or E to W then N to S, or... Anyway, this one I'm kind of taking on a case-by-case, "how do I feel" sort of basis. Currently, I'm not entirely sure if it should very strictly obey the location's natural traversal (like, you first enter from N/S/E/W, so that's where the list should start), or if maybe it should always be "reading" order (left>right (E>W), top>bottom (N>S)), or what.

2b) I'm a little torn on whether accessibility requirements should affect the order things are listed in. I.e., when you first reach some places, you may not have an HM that will let you get some of the items, so any of those that you'd have to return for could be listed after all of the things you can get immediately. ...The thing that kind of tilts my opinion in this case is that, if you don't grab any items at first and only scour the town after you have all necessary HMs (like in the postgame), then a single, coherent listing of all the items is best, otherwise you may be forced to backtrack a bit for an item that needs an HM. And at the same time, with a single, coherent list, people who are only on their first visit can easily just skip those items they can't get.

These things basically seem best and simplest/most consistent all around, to me. (And simple is best. Less room for arguments; or confusion.)

(Hope all that's not too wall-of-texty... =P ) Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:19, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


hey! How are you? :) You must know that your page was chosen to be the official Aero one. I just happen to have worked on it too ( User:MannedTooth/Aero) and wondered if there is anything you would like to add to yours? I'm thinking of the Giovanni part, since Aero technically was owned by him before Red. Anyway, take a look at that :) MannedTooth (Talk) 15:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


Can you add the Finnish/Swedish name origins for Squishy and lyrics/translations for Stand Tall to the List of Finnish Pokémon themes and List of Swedish Pokémon themes? Thanks! --Abcboy (talk) 04:02, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

I'd be pleased to do so if I knew where to watch those XYZ episodes. I didn't even know they had Finnish titles until just now to be honest. The previous season ended just last week or so. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:09, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
http://www.pokemon.com/fi/pokemon-jaksot/ and http://www.pokemon.com/se/pokemon-avsnitt/ --Abcboy (talk) 04:18, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll get to work on them tomorrow, I am unable to watch them just now. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:39, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Also, when you get around to adding the lyrics, the titles of the songs need to go on Stand Tall in the "In other languages" section; I forgot to mention that earlier. --Abcboy (talk) 17:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
Of course. I'll keep that in mind. Also, I kinda forgot to do that today, so I'll try to remember it tomorrow. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:02, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Lyrics problem

Hello, I don't know how much Swedish you speak but I was wondering if you could take a look at Bli en hjälte and Pokémonsången XY because I can't make out the two dotted lines I left at Bli en hjälte and also the question mark at Pokémonsången XY. I'm afraid that I couldn't find Bli en hjälte on youtube, I listened to that at tv4 play, here is the link to Pokémonsången XY movie version at youtube. Tack på förhand. --Raltseye 19:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Stadium 2 Trainers

First of all, thanks for working on getting the details for the trainers in each cup, I at least really appreciate it. :) Do you have any plans to continue with work on the Gym Leader Castle trainers? Currently all of the more detailed information is scattered over about two dozen pages, and only the Gym Leaders and Rocket Executives have any detailed data. The same thing is the case for Stadium 1's GLC as well. If you weren't planning on doing anything with them, I'd probably get to it eventually, but I thought I'd check in with you first. VioletPumpkin (talk) 02:00, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for the compliment. Second, no I wasn't planning on doing anything with the GLC Trainers. Much like core series Gym Trainers, I don't think they really need any detailed info, at least not on the Gym pages. If there are separate pages for GLC Trainers, I can reconsider. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
PS. The only Cup thing that I haven't been able to completely add was the Jr. female's Squirtle's moveset in Stadium's Petit Cup Round 2. Any source material I could find incorrectly listed its moveset as the same used by the same Trainer's Meowth in Round 1, which is why it was initially missing from the otherwise already completed Trainer list for the Cup. By watching several videos, I was able to figure out three of Squirtle's moves, but the fourth one is still unknown to me. I hate incompleteness, so I'd really appreciate any kind of help. Thank you.
I understand, and agree that putting them onto the general "Pewter Gym" and similar pages might be a bit much. I'll probably try making dedicated GLC trainer pages since it feels at least as significant as the other cups to me, but I'm not sure when I'd get around to it. And thanks for the notice about the Squirtle, I'll take a closer look at it. VioletPumpkin (talk) 15:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Colo/XD script (Miror B)

In response to this lament for Miror B's quotes, you could try checking the text dumps I made for Colo/XD linked on Abcboy's userpage. If you can identify enough of the quote, you can probably get the rest of what came after it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:02, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a ton! I more than appreciate your gesture! :D --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Anime edits

Hi! Playerking95 seems to think that you've been targetting him/his edits. I'd like to ask you to describe your perspective on this situation. (Please understand I make no judgement either way at this point.)

Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

(P.S. I'm asking you do it here rather than respond at Playerking's talk page. It could "explode" either way, but it's a bit less likely if we keep this part here for now. Thanks.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:53, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

New episodes

In the future, please use {{New episode}} when creating pages for new episodes. It's fine to make another edit after substituting the template to change anything the template doesn't fill in. This prevents errors like incorrect preview threads, incorrect ordinal numbers in the intro, allows the interwiki links to be automatically generated, and helps prevent other copy-and-paste errors. Thanks! --Abcboy (talk) 15:36, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I had kinda forgotten that. I'll keep that in mind. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:00, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Swimming to Kalos

How on earth could that be interpreted as not the same person? A person in a game says he will do the exact same action as someone in a different game has completed, within the same generation, when we know ORAS is set before XY and has references which say as much, and it's the same trainer class, but they're different people? I legitimately dont understand how one could come to that conclusion. Smear-Gel (talk) 05:11, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

How about the fact that they don't even have the same name? Word that piece of trivia a bit differently, and the only thing left to fix are possible grammar errors. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Well that's dumb, I didnt even consider they'd do that. Now I wonder why on earth Gamefreak would have put that effort into that easter egg and then make the names different. Not even the Japanese names are the same? Because that seems silly. Either way I guess I need to look into that and reword it before posting again. Smear-Gel (talk) 22:26, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


Did Deoxys use Safeguard or Protect in PG09? And did Deoxys use Recover when it regenerated itself? Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 20:08, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

First off: I'm surprised you thought of ME of all people when deciding to ask someone. Second: I think it was Protect, but I don't think it used Recover. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:13, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Edit Summaries (again)

You've been spoken to before about using edit summaries to vent/complain about other users in the past. Edit summaries like these are unnecessary and does nothing to contribute to the overall project of Bulbapedia. Follow the Code of Conduct at all times. Thank you. --Pokemaster97 23:44, 29 October 2016 (UTC)


What moves did Heatran use in PG12? One of which looked like Protect while the first one looked like either Flamethrower or Eruption. Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Heatran and Mimikyu

What moves did Heatran use in PG12? One of which looked like Protect while the first one looked like either Flamethrower or Eruption. And was Mimikyu using Feint Attack or Wood Hammer in SM003? Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 20:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Trainer classes

It seems to me that if old information on Plasma and Flare is wrong, we should be correcting that rather than citing it as a justification for maintaining false information on Skull, don't you think? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:14, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Are you going to answer me? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 15:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring

I just wanna let you know part of my own personal definition of edit warring. IMO, if you revert (basically) the same edit up to two times, that may or may not be edit warring, depending on the overall situation. But if you do it a third time, that's definitely crossed a line.

That's certainly not to say that toeing that line every time would be advisable or anything. If you can settle a conflict with discussion sooner rather than later, that's definitely preferable. And you've been around long enough. You definitely should know to use talk pages for this sort of thing, rather than trying to do it all right on Gladion. Please take more care in the future. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:27, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Electric Terrain

The dub CCs state explicitly that Tapu Koko used the move Electric Terrain. Unless there's explicit evidence to the contrary (like if a character states that the Electric Terrain in SM002 was a result of its Ability) it should be kept on the page. --Abcboy (talk) 18:17, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Playthroughs in your userspace


I really like your playthrough section and would like to use your code to list my playthroughs in my userpage. Is that okay? Arctic (talk) 19:40, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Of course. Go ahead. It's not like I'm the only person who's using it to begin with. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:19, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Anime moves

It looks like you recently added some moves that Playerking removed. I just want to make sure our policy on adding moves from the anime is clear: unless the move is called (or else explicitly identified after being used), don't assume.

The only moves it's tentatively acceptable to identify by animation alone are the ones listed here. Honestly, I don't know the scenes in question, and Hyper Beam is on that list so I don't know what to say about that; but Bite isn't.

Anyway, please keep this in mind when adding moves for the anime in the future. Thanks! Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Please remember the above. If you think Hydro Pump has a unique animation, consider bringing it up on the talk page Force Fire's user page. Please be careful as well about generally engaging in edit wars.
I don't think this guideline is all that hard to grasp. Please remember next time. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
This thing with Thunder Wave seems to be the exact same situation as Hydro Pump just above. It's been a little while since then so I'm going to remind you this once more, but if it happens again, as far as I'm concerned you will be earning a block to help you remember afterwards. If a move is not stated explicitly, do not add it; at most, ask someone. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
(The resposne below is technically copied from here.)
I'm sorry if I seemed arrogant or whatever by adding that Thunder Wave use. However, I would like to assure you that I've learned my lesson: I don't add too ambiguous moves without them being confirmed anymore. However, this case wasn't ambiguous at all in my mind: the animation used for the move was identical to the one used in the XY series, you can check it out yourself if you want. A couple other users have also already left agreeing opinions to T-Wave's talk page. Do you give me the permission to restore my edit? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:30, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Please keep conversations in one place.
In case it wasn't clear after all, this isn't about adding moves that are "too ambiguous". This is about adding moves that are not explicitly stated. If such a move is not on Force Fire's user page, don't add it. Neither Hydro Pump nor Thunder Wave were on that page. You're welcome to ask, but it's not your judgement to make. Ask. Always ask.
Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:48, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
The point my friend is trying to make is that Thunder Wave is a completely unique animation and, without a doubt, SHOULD be added to Force Fire's page. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 09:43, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
For Tiddlywinks: That sounds pretty complicated. I recall that it hasn't always been like that, which is probably why I'm having tough times adapting to this way of doing things. Also, I think that having to wait for an agreement on any unspoken move or Ability's identity sounds really boring, and it feels to me like a legit fact is being withheld from the site for no good reason. But it seems I have no choice but to submit...
For 05308: Yeah, I agree that it should be done ASAP.
PS. Sorry for rambling. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:12, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
I understand your point, 05308; it's still your opinion and not your decision to make. I hope you follow the same guidelines: ask. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:34, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Hol on a minute, is a "point" or an "opinion"- the animation for Thunder Wave that has been used throughout the XY series (And now in the Sun and Moon series) IS a unique animation. That is a fact and not an opinion. Even if you want to argue that what Murkrow used was Upproar, and the animation was (for some reason) exactly the same as Thunder Wave's animation in XY. Thunder Wave's animation in XY was factually unique. Force Fire has acknowledged the list is unfinished so Thunder Wave's absence from the list is not invocative of Thunder Wave not having a unique animation. Don't patronize me with nonsense about everything being an opinion. Thunder Wave should be on the list for its XY (and SM) animation- that's not an opinion. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 19:38, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
It's not your judgement to make.
If we just go, sure, we're sure you're right, then we have to allow anyone's opinion about anything. We're not opening that can of worms or we'll just have basically the same as we did before and/or more edit wars.
This isn't hard: just ask. I hope you understand. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:56, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
If I may intrude, 05308, I think Tiddlywinks' point that you aren't understanding is that because it's not on the list yet, we must wait until it has been added to the list before we can add it based on appearance. It's not about whether Thunder Wave might or might not be something else, it's about jumping through the proper hoops even with things you think are "obvious" so that there isn't a precedent for cutting corners in the future when someone decides something else is "obvious" and gets it wrong. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:37, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I absolutely understand the thing about not assuming moves and all that comes with it- I don't always agree but whatever. However, Thunder Wave did have a unique animation in XY- that is a fact and not an opinion. I don't care what you put on any of the pages, but opinions and facts are different. If being an admin means you'll not admit you're wrong even at the expense of showing you can understand very simple concepts- you are not doing a good job.

I apologise that all this has to happen on FinnishPokéfan's page. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 22:03, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Come on... Look. I'm not saying Thunder Wave isn't a unique move—I'm not making any judgement on that score. Okay? I'm saying your judgement doesn't decide whether it can be added as "unique". I hope you understand. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:51, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
I understand, I've understood since before I interjected into to conversation, but you keep saying "I hope you understand" and that makes it look like I don't understand. Please stop. By the by, I realise what I said about "simple concepts" would come across quite rude so I apologise for that. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 23:04, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
I feel pretty safe in saying that "I hope you understand" doesn't usually mean literally understand the concepts; it usually means more like "I hope you understand where we're coming from (and can accept it)"... I'm not trying to belittle you, I'm trying to be polite. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:24, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Bureaucracy at its finest. Nothing goes anywhere without first being signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters. This is honestly getting kinda ridiculous. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:43, 19 August 2017 (UTC)


I removed the image because out of all the Sun&Moon capture episodes, this was the only one to have it. I thought that images were not suppose to go there.-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 18:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


Noticed a few episodes I have created synopsis' for have received a cleanup requirement, any advice on how to clean it up, checked the manual but can't quite understand in relation to my synopsis'--BigDocFan (talk) 15:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Code of Conduct

Over the last several years, you've had many talk page message left by various staff members about following the Code of Conduct and remaining respectful in edit summaries. As you demonstrated here this message hasn't reached you. I understand you may disagree or have conflicts with other users, but behavior of this nature creates a very abrasive and non-inviting atmosphere on Bulbapedia. Please take 3 days off and when you return, make it an effort to be more conscious of our policies. --Pokemaster97 21:29, 7 July 2017 (UTC)


In your recent comment to Playerking, you appear to have tried to avoid directly insulting Playerking, but you quite failed. You did not at all need that line before the "PS". Attempting to disclaim it at the end doesn't make it "OK", it's still an insult. Be careful about how your passions sway you in the future. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:49, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

My apologies. I guess since I was having a sort of bad mood at the moment (walking outside in a rain and so forth) I wanted to vent that bad mood into that insult. But I fully admit, it was inappropriate, and I apologize. I tried to avoid being rude, but it seems I didn't quite make it all the way through. I promise I'll do my best to avoid this in the future. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Edit Warring

Rather than complaining about it in the edit summary, try using the talk pages to sort out issues. They are there for a reason. You've been here long enough to know not to edit war. Regarding the trivia, you're stretching the trivia too far to make it notable.--ForceFire 14:59, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Talk pages

Rather than trying to sort out disagreements using the edit summaries, go to the user's talk page and discuss it there. Going back and forth in the edit summaries is a futile attempt and comes off as edit warring. Thank you.--ForceFire 03:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Direct linking

I'm not gonna try to argue with you because it's clear you won't listen. But I just want to ask you this: what is the point of the staff ruling on something if you're just going to ignore the ruling and say you "don't care" about it? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:29, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, that's just how I can be when I'm in a grumpy. I know it doesn't justify anything, and I apologize. I just get irritated when I see redirect links being added on purpose. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:34, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

DJ Leo

Were the Dugtrio's names the same in the Finnish dub as in the English? --Raltseye prata med mej 15:30, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Nope. They're the same as the Swedish ones. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:56, 28 October 2017 (UTC)


Goes without saying, I'm glad that Bulbapedia is unlocked once more--BigDocFan (talk) 09:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:00, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


Hello, well, I'm new to the page and I wanted to know what is the error of my grammar, I do not see anything wrong, I just wanted to know what are the mistakes friend.

--Grizzlyring123 (talk) 11:47, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but your grammar is unsuitable for Bulbapedia's standards. Not using big capital letters when needed is just one of your many problems. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry, my English is not so good, but I can fix it --Grizzlyring123 (talk) 11:47, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Help please

I would like to be able to edit my profile, but since I am a user I can not do it and it is frustrating. How can I change user to another rank? I want to edit my profile.

I've seen other people if they can

--Grizzlyring123 (talk) 12:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

If you want to edit your user page, just click the red link on your user name. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Finnish name

I'm sort of iffy on this one, could you check if it adds up? Special:diff/2734483 --Raltseye prata med mej 13:11, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, that wasn't right at all. Thanks for asking. Also, it's just a direct translation of "Repel" instead of "Max Repel", so I took the liberty of removing it from that page. If you wish for me to add the correct translation to Repel's page, I can gladly do that. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:05, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, why not? The Swedish and Danish are litterally both just "Insect spray" anyway, I'll move them too. --Raltseye prata med mej 16:15, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Update Snap Articuno


https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Fossil_2)&diff=0&oldid=2737190 The information on the trivia section is incorrect as the card will have the SNAP writing on the bottom as seen on a copy I have recently purchase from Japan - https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m224480649 This is misinformation from the old pokemon book which had the wrong scans inside it which didnt have the writing on 3 of the card Squirtle, Charmander and Articuno. I had purchased a squirtle and charmander S~nap promo and forwarded scans for you to update a couple months back and will do the same once the articuno is in my hands. Il send the scans through the discord server as last time.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:CharmanderSnapBestPhotoContest.jpg /https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SquirtleSnapBestPhotoContest.jpg As you can see I provided the scans for both of the updated images.

Any problems and information you require just let me know.

Onlycollectables (talk) 12:37, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Could you please stop with the semi-aggressive edit summaries, like the "Please" and "No, no, no" that you commonly do. If you have a problem with someone's reading and writing skills, you can go to the user's talk page and correct them on their errors. Do understand that there are some users who first language is not English, so errors are bound to appear. Thank you.--ForceFire 04:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Bone Rush edit

I apologize, I was looking at the wrong section. That said, I think the 'Incomplete' tag belongs in the 'In other generations' section, as that is where the Gen VI image is missing from - unsigned comment from Bg samm (talkcontribs)

I can understand that. Just be careful not to make this kind of mistakes in the future. Also, don't forget to sign your comments on talk pages. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:03, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Item availability

I'd argue that since Po Town is only accessible in Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon(as of right now), someone would know that an item is available in all those versions without it having to be stated outright.--Voltdetector (talk) 13:08, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I was merely trying to avoid confusion, so that people don't mistake that the note saying "USUM" would be referring to both items, instead of just the latter. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:20, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
You could simply put the Team Skull Cap first, I feel that could resolve the problem just as well.--Voltdetector (talk) 03:04, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Platinum's Froslass

Do you want User:FinnishPokéFan92/Platinum's Froslass to be mainspaced? If so ask Ataro to do it. I'll also stop creating redirect links. Reinhartmax (talk) 11:53, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll do so. And thanks for hearing me out. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Do you plan on asking him anytime soon? Reinhartmax (talk) 18:57, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
I meant to ask during the weekend, but forgot. I'll get to it at some point, I haven't forgotten about it. Don't worry. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:03, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Undoing linking edits

We were talking about this before, and as far as I'm concerned, my conclusion was to respect you and your position even though I don't really understand all of it. And because you do have a point that, at any specific point in time, {{DL}}s are typically better than redirect links, I've refrained from going to any page in order to only change links there when I have no intention to create the item article(s) myself soonish. It's just a matter of time, though, since all (regular) items are going to receive independent articles in the near future (hopefully). Not sure if you knew this, but now you do, please be aware that I don't really see the point in changing links to future articles back to DLs as adamantly as you have done. That's essentially two extra edits (and I'm trying to minimize edits), and more future work.

To answer your specific question: I've asked a staff member who has the appropriate powers to mainspace articles on both "Bottle Cap" and "Gold Bottle Cap" that already exist in the userspace. You will see my motivation when you think of what would happen if these are mainspaced before the links are changed: text that says "Gold Bottle Cap" would link to a page that does not cover "Gold Bottle Cap", and that's to be avoided. (And I didn't look for pages with only {{DL|Bottle Cap|Bottle Cap}} but without {{DL|Bottle Cap|Gold Bottle Cap}}, because the first one technically can be changed later, which I understand you prefer.)

So, please, try to not only see your position, and try to avoid edit wars, for I can assure you I try to do the same. If any of my edits are of serious concern, I will probably have a reason, and some others probably have, too. And before anything else, please don't just undo, and don't undo and ask for clarification in the edit summary; I know you know where my talk page is. Thanks! Nescientist (talk) 16:33, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I've had some (kinda sorta) paperwork to do today, so I'm going to be brief here: I apologize for my apparent selfishness. It's a trait I have that is not intentional, and I didn't mean to offend you. I understand now. Thanks for explaining. (PS. I had kinda already forgotten about this whole thing already, in fact, so this came just a little bit out of the blue.) --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:39, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
You're welcome, and thanks for understanding. (I wasn't offended anyway, there's no hard feelings.) Nescientist (talk) 16:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Good. No hard feelings on either side. Let's hope you'll get those item pages done soon. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Violet City

Why are you continually undoing changes that make the page more accurate and precise? Retrogression = Evil, are you trying to be evil?

monsterhart (talk) 09:54, 5 April 2018 (PT)

In the future if you notice a formatting error in 1 part of a multipart edit where the other part(s) are simply corrections to text, edit the page and fix the formatting of that one part. Don't just undo the entire edit, leave it alone and let someone else fix it if you don't feel like fixing the mistake properly. I eventually figured out the mistake and fixed it myself anyway.

monsterhart (talk) 10:57, 5 April 2018 (PT)

1) Whoa! That's a bit too much. There's no reason to be rude. 2) Except that you didn't. You only added one item instead of the complete Rock Smash item list. However, I do thank you for noticing that Violet City had a smashable rock which Bulbapedia had forgotten to mention. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:20, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
1) Why didn’t you answer my question? How is it too much to ask if your intention is to hurt the website rather than improve it? And is it considered rude to ask someones intentions now? Where I’m from asking someones intentions is how issues are resolved and thus is seen as a sign of maturity, not rudeness.
2) Except that I did, which you know because in your most recent edit in order to worsen the grammar you edited the same thing which was the other thing I had edited. I changed it from “On the grey island...” to “In the upper left of the grey island...” which I made to improve the website after spending a significant amount of time searching the entire island and it being in the last place I looked. You were undoing this the entire time too, and it shows you what has been changed so I don’t understand how you could have actually missed it and assume you are just lying for some reason... Further more you changed it to “On the upper left side of the small grey island...” which adds an unnecessary word (more reading without improved clarity is a detriment) and changes a correct word to an incorrect one. Though in your defense that is a common mistake for ESL learners, at least I’m assuming Finnish is your first language.
So why would you undo that? In my second message and on I then knew you were undoing it because of the rock smash thing but I didn’t know that at the time I wrote the first message. Also I’ve played HG twice and SS once and all 3 times I found a Heart Scale in that exact rock, so I assumed it was a permanent fixture rather than just a random event.
So the only reason I was able to imagine that you would be undoing my post is because you wanted the website to not progress, but instead of just reporting you I did the mature thing in recognizing that it could be for some practical reason I was unable to imagine and asked you in the most concise way I could think of (because people on the internet vehemently insist on conciseness 99.9% of the time) if what I thought was truly the case or if you had some other reason for it. Which it turns out you did have a good reason, at least for part of it. You’ve yet to give me a good reason for why you were also undoing my clarity change for that specific item though.
monsterhart (talk) 10:27, 6 April 2018 (PT)
I'll be as brief as possible with my answer: I'm not trying to be evil or prevent this site from progressing, quite the opposite, in fact. I'm merely trying to keep the quality as close to Bulbapedia's standards as possible. And you can see that your most recent edit on the page was reversed by one of the higher-ranking members of this site, meaning that you may have to broaden your views on how to improve this site. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:47, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
He clearly did that to be offensive. He was flaunting his authority in order to punish me for “attacking” you (as he stated on my talk page) even though I clearly did not do that. Such a thing is an abuse of power and does not mean that I was wrong about this.
Edit: However I do feel that the situation on the Violet City page between the two of us is more or less resolved, and no longer feel the need to further discuss it with you. If you really were offended by the wording of my initial question I apologize, that was not my intention. My intention was to express my perspective on your actions and give you the opportunity to present an alternative possibility, so as to lead to the resolution of the “undo war” between us which was indeed the result.
monsterhart (talk) 11:44, 6 April 2018 (PT)

SM052 Complaint

"Not good enough for Bulbapedia's standards"? Dude, I left that incomplete stub tag there for a reason. The plot was still incomplete. I was gonna go back to add more and you went and deleted it entirely, all because it's not good enough for Bulbapedia's standards? How could the plot I put in, which was incomplete as the stub stated, be not good enough for Bulbapedia's standards? You have to be more specific than that, or do you insist the plot remains blank until its fully complete? You sir, have no disrespect for those who were just trying to help. Now thanks to you, I lost motivation to work on that page. Char89 (talk) 05:16, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Whoa! No need to be aggressive! Just leaving the synopsis temporarily incomplete wasn't the problem. (I've done some synopsises in bits myself, too.) The problem was your grammar. That was the thing I felt wasn't up to code. Sorry. I know you want to help, but if your help isn't good enough, it will just take other users' time in fixing it. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:21, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
My grammar? You mean to tell me, the plot I've written on that page was deleted because of my grammar? What are you, an English teacher? What the heck's wrong with my grammar that causes you to delete it? And don't think I don't notice the other complaints you've been receiving. I've seen users upset with you because you delete their edits because of "Bulbapedia's standards." If it violates the standards, then let the admins handle it. You're making a bad reputation for yourself by being the grammar nazi here. I was only trying to contribute to the wiki, but instead you undo my edit saying my grammar is bad. What a waste of my time. Listen, if you don't stop deleting pages because it doesn't meet the standards, sooner or later someone will report you to the admin. You want to talk grammar, here's something. "Synopsises" is not even a real word. Char89 (talk) 05:39, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Core Series games Quotes

I'm currently doing a overhaul of all the quotes for NPCs for all core series games from Kanto to Alola. For Colress, the line for Route 8 after becoming the Champion "Genesect is a..." only happens when a player selects "I don't", and not for "I do!". And last time, we have decided against bold-ing the words in a "scream" speech balloon. As for the linking of references to other characters or items, I'll have to ask if we are doing the linking or not (well, I predict they'll say it doesn't matter). If yes, I'll have to apply this to all other NPCs. If not, all links references will be removed. Cheers! — Ruixiang95 08:50, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry. I just got a little carried away. I can easily get arrogant towards people who are doing stuff I at first glance deem wrong. I apologize. It's a characteristic of mine that needs some SERIOUS work. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Re: Dragon trivia.

Another page used to have trivia like that, but not anymore. Also, if we say that Dragon has been combined with every type except Bug, shouldn't we say Grass has been combined with every type except Fire? (We say that Water and Flying have been combined with every type in their lists of Pokémon). Dinosauramiable (talk) 12:15, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

If that fact is indeed true, I see why not. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:18, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

It's already listed there. Dinosauramiable (talk) 20:13, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

File name mistake on the Archives

I accidentally uploaded a file to "BW076 original trailer.png" when I meant to put "SM076 original trailer.png." Are you able to fix it, please? The Great Butler (talk) 04:40, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I'd love to help you, but I can't. Only admins are allowed to move image file names. Ask one of them if they could help. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:57, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Adding legendary stats

I am planning to add the stats of the legendary Pokémon encounters that are uncatchable (eg. fused Kyurem, fused Necrozma, Ultra Necrozma). Jskylinegtr (talk) 05:43, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, but the higher-ups have said no to this kind of stuff before and now. Talk with them if you want to. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Poke ball on Route 104

It requires going through a certain section of Petalburg Woods, and doesn't that section require cut? sumwun (talk) 19:39, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I checked it, and it doesn't. Next time, please check stuff like this before making an edit. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 03:38, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
You're right. Sorry. sumwun (talk) 04:05, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Shadow Hold

Why did you delete my edit? Shadow Hold IS similar to Spirit Shackle in the way it prevents opponents from switching out.

All they have in common is that they trap the opposing Pokémon. That's it. Shadow Hold doesn't even do damage like Spirit Shackle. Besides, they were released four Generations apart. PS. Please use link templates to avoid redirect links. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:17, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Protecting moves

Why did you delete my edits on Protecting moves failing? If both mons use Protect in the same turn, then the move for the mon that protects last fails. I described this and, instead of fixing it yourself because I have bad grammar or something, you deleted it; your reasoning was that it "Needs a bit of adjusting... " Here is a link to why that information is important in battle: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7randombattle-767832306 (skip to turn 19). - unsigned comment from Dawkamist (talkcontribs)

It's not that I don't believe the validity of your information. I just think you didn't do those edits properly, like placing the text in improper places, and not putting links where they should be. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:42, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Unique moves

The point of not presuming a move is for people not to presume they know best. You may think this or that case is COMPLETELY obvious, but if we allow one person to get by because something is "obvious", that just leaves room for someone else to think they know best too and complain if it was okay for someone else but not them. The whole point is to just cut out ANY possibility for such arguments by ONLY acknowledging moves that have been explicitly named or (at least tentatively) explicitly approved otherwise.

Mind Blown has not been approved. You cannot assume that it should be.

It may be very possible that Mind Blown will be approved, but that's not your decision. Ask. Ask anyone on staff. Then we'll decide what's warranted.

Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:48, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Clean Up messages

Hi FinnishPokéFan92,

I've noticed you have placed several clean up messages on a few of the plot summaries that I have posted. While other users have cleaned up several other Sun and Moon episode plots, I've noticed that SM063 and SM068 are yet to be cleaned up, as well as an earlier alert posted on Morty's Gengar. It would be of great assistance if you can point out what glaring issues that are required to be cleaned up, I'm afraid that I cannot see any issues, and maybe other users cannot either. Plus the feedback would also help me for my future edits going forward.

Also thank you for the work you have been doing on various associated anime pages. I appreciated the note of feedback on the Cinnabar Island page as it allowed me to put the right information on the right pages.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 14:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment!
The thing is, I just find that the language in some synopsises is kinda clunky and does not flow too well. I would want to help fixing them, but, to be perfectly blunt, I don't usually have the patience or attention span required for that kind of thing. Sorry. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:08, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Flow - that gives me some direction to follow. Thanks PardescanSlowbro (talk) 16:43, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


I was wondering why you removed the Battle Royal part from the major events. I would think a battle like that would be important enough. - unsigned comment from Rahl (talkcontribs)

I don't see it being as important to the overall plot of the series as Ash's previous matches with the Masked Royal. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:05, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Stub Removal

Hi FinnishPokéFan92,

I and GrammarFreak01 have been busy editing several stub pages in the hope of having them be removed from the stub list. I thought it was best that a third party, like yourself, do the evaluation and hopefully the removal of such messages? Or is there someone else who is in charge of such a procedure? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:15, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh? Was supposed to be decided by somebody else? Sorry. I didn't know. I just figured that those pages seemed long enough to not be considered stubs anymore. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:19, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm afraid they hadn't been evaluated yet. Here are the pages:

Thanks PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I really didn't need that list. I didn't even ask for it. I merely apologized for not knowing that the removal of the "stub" template apparently requires a third party decision (if that indeed is the case, because I've never even heard of it before). In either case, that list is completely unnecessary for me. Just so that you know. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
I'd misinterpreted your earlier comment. And I am not aware of needing a third party to remove stubs, I just assumed that may be the case, apologies for the confusion.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:57, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Good. So no harm done. Apology accepted. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:08, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
I found information on the stub removal policy. It clarified that if a page was filled with enough information the stub alert could be deleted. For some other features like voice actor's or a new image an incomplete alert could be placed instead. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 06:01, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I think all you need to do to remove stubs is to add verifiable information to it that might've been originally missing. That's all. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:06, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Route 112 trivia

When someone adds trivia that's good but has bad grammar, you're supposed to correct the grammar, right? Not delete it completely? Anyway, what was wrong with my trivium? sumwun (talk) 20:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

The grammar wasn't up to code, the title was done the wrong way... I admit. It was late and I simply didn't feel up to just fixing it, so I took the easier route. But whatever the case, it wasn't up to code. The piece of trivia itself may very well have been valid, but the way you tried to add it to the page was inadequate. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I re-added it. Is it better now? sumwun (talk) 05:06, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Almost. The title was a bit off, but I fixed it. Now it should be fine. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:16, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for not deleting it this time. sumwun (talk) 05:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
The mistakes were much more easier to fix up and I wasn't as tired as before, so it was no problem. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:39, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Route 5 Cut link

I'm trying my best, but I can't for the life of me think of any good reason to remove a link to Cut on the Kalos Route 5 page. Is there some Bulbapedia policy that discourages linking to moves in that context? Or one that encourages scouring page histories to undo any revision that didn't add enough to the article? I was under the impression that minor edits were allowed. And if it were up to me, I'd say the only revisions that should be undone are ones that make an article worse. — Randomwaffle23 (talk) 02:20, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh, minor edits are allowed. We just don't tend to add links to Trainer template divider titles. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Why? — Randomwaffle23 (talk) 14:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Why not? Besides, the links to those moves also exist elsewhere on the page. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:17, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
"Why not?" Because links can be helpful, that's why we have them. And I really, truly doubt that duplicating links is the issue, because if it were, we wouldn't allow fifty-one duplicate links in a single table. The most relevant portion of the manual of style recommends to "only link to an article once within a given portion of text". I assume a portion of text means a paragraph, bullet point, table cell, or the like, not a whole article. "Instances further apart may be linked to more than once." (The corresponding Wikipedia policy is that "a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, […] and at the first occurrence after the lead.")
The question you should ask yourself when undoing an edit is, How did this edit make the article worse? You need a better answer than "why not". — Randomwaffle23 (talk) 17:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Whoa! You were more versed in this than I would've guessed. I'll be honest with you, I just saw that your edit was poorly made (as well as unnecessary for the reasons I gave above), so I deleted it. Sorry. But I still stand by my point: there's no need for it. It's perfectly fine to have repeated move links in the item templates and such, but there's no need to start adding move links to where they have never existed, such as the Trainer template divider titles. So may I please ask you to let this go? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm curious what you mean when you say the edit was "poorly made". I took care to include an HTML span tag to make sure the link stayed white instead of turning blue, since blue would've looked poor on the dark background. (The {{m|Cut}} template doesn't allow tags like that, which is why I didn't use it.) The only way someone would even have noticed the link is if they wanted to click it, or if they were scouring the page history.
At this point don't really care anymore whether the thing's linked or not. I'm not gonna re-link it. I just want to convince you not to undo any more people's contributions without a better reason than "because I personally wouldn't have bothered making this edit". Can we agree to that? — Randomwaffle23 (talk) 18:50, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Hey, I swear that has NEVER been my (main) reason for undoing edits. Most of the time, there hs been a very good reason for it, only in a small minority have I done it for personal disagreement. Also, I recommend you learn to use the {{color}} and {{color2}} templates. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:02, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
If that's not the reason, then what is? I can't think what the difference might be between an "unnecessary" edit and one that's not worth bothering to make. And if it's because I didn't use the template, why would you undo rather than improve? Adding {{color2}} is easy. I didn't know about the template, but you did, and that's why wikis are collaborative.
Undoing a good-faith edit is invalidating someone's attempt to help the wiki, which discourages them from contributing in the future. It should be done only when there's no feasible way to improve their contribution instead. — Randomwaffle23 (talk) 21:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Geez! Based on your edit that I undid, I jumped to conclusions and assumed you were just a new user who didn't know their stuff, but clearly I was wrong! I'm sorry. Also, I'm not defending those edits that I've done for personal disagreements rather than solid reasons. I was being kinda stupid at those times. And hey, I hope those new templates will come in handy for you! --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:41, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

"That is only if we have more Team Skull Grunts than them"

No it isn't. Look at BW114 and SM025's pages. It's listed because they're a part of the collection of Grunts. Playerking95 (talk) 14:50, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing those out. I fixed them now. That is only used if more than the named Grunts appear in an episode. Otherwise, that's misleading. And it applies to other groups of people as well. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:49, 26 July 2018 (UTC)



Just saw the large undoing, which wasn't required.

I was about to apologize, and have also just re-checked you edits but they are reading in unnecessary information and grammatical errors that my edition had previously fixed. The reason for the drastic changes was largely due words ending in -ing, which are typically avoided to give the sentences more of an present tense than sounding like you are in midst of an action. And I noticed a few of the links were missing. Though I must commend you on the detail, an edit summary with over 10,000 bytes usually indicates an action packed episode and I feel you were able to capture that. I apologize for the sudden changes, but saw that they were needed. I wouldn't view the changes as a complete re-write, as I didn't have to add anything to the actual plot, it was literally just editing the sentences which in some were sometimes too long (I make the same error as well).PardescanSlowbro (talk) 11:35, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

I haven't had time and currently don't have time to sort out who's in the right or in the wrong here but I do know you both need to stop edit warring. It accomplishes nothing, so talk it out here or on the article's talk page. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 11:50, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
To clarify the situation, FinnishPokeFan92 became overwhelmed with all of my changes which were grammar based and undid everything by republished his old edition. I later found out and re-added them, with some of his later ones in mind as the same issues had persisted from earlier.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 11:56, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
I had actually only mostly undone your edit earlier today, modifying some of the parts you had added to better fit into the synopsis, while readding some stuff that I feel was unnecessarily removed or removing some overly detailed parts. GrammarFreak01 had actually already redone a lot of your edits when I plastered my own version on top of their version, but they took it well. Let's be honest here: your intentions were good, but you also ended up adding a lot of new errors in the process, replacing the mistakes that were already being fixed. You should try just fixing the mistakes instead of rewriting the entire synopsis, unless the mistakes simply are that extensive. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:18, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
I streamlined the plot to reduce some of the sentence lengths and also some of the unnecessary details such as characters asking questions. GrammarFreak01 made some structural changes which were incorporated and I re-added some of your edits, prior to me reading the edited plot summary that I had earlier done as yes, there were in fact a few wrong words used by me. The sentences that were re-written was because the tense was wrong (words ending in -ing are usually avoided, but were throughout the old edition), not the information. And some words don't work well in the same sentence with just a change of tense, so a sentence has to be reconfigured to account for that.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 12:32, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Please note that I saw your re added segments to the plot line, despite them having been removed for good reasons. I will not be making any further changes despite my previously outlined reasons for the deletions.
Now my real issue is with your snide comments on the SM084 and SM085 pages and again leaving another useless "not up to standards" template. Whether those are of a personal nature or not, please note that actual feedback for both myself and for PKMN Trainer Ryan who added the respective plots is required to ensure such errors do not occur again and that either the users in question or another user can rectify them. Do not continue this same conduct as it is a cause for friction and does not aid anyone or even the site, as you are unwilling to make the necessary changes yourself, in becoming better PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Firstly: what added segments are you referring to?
Secondly: those templates are not "useless". Those synopsises are in a genuine need of improvement, no matter who made them. True, maybe I should notify the users who made said synopsises directly on their talk pages, but I don't see that I did anything wrong by adding those cleanup templates. Also, your words come off as unnecessarily rude and rather self-important. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:33, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
PardescanSlowbro is right, just adding a cleanup template with a frustrated edit summary helps no one, especially in 1) recent contributions (as opposed to old/low traffic pages), 2) such large contributions, and 3) contributions by regular editors.
You should try to always make your edit summaries useful if you're going to put anything there. If people are going to contribute regularly, it's much better to help them. More--and more experienced--people on Bulbapedia is a good thing. FYI I read at least the first paragraph of SM 84 and 85 and there's nothing that ABSOLUTELY needs improvement to my eye. (And FWIW, don't worry about telling ME what all the problems are here; I don't need it, they do.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:58, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
SM085 I can somewhat agree with, but if you seriously aren't seeing anything wrong with SM084's synopsis... I'm actually inclined to just deleting said synopsis so that it can be rewritten from the ground up later. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:23, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Paintings depicting Pokémon

As noted in the Manual of Style for anime articles, statues, posters, and other man made object depicting Pokémon do not count as appearances. Paintings fall under man made objects.--ForceFire 11:42, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Stealing items from Iris

It's possible to steal the Life Orb from Iris' Druddigon or Salamence. TheICTLiker4 (talk) 05:57, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

It is. However, you can't just keep the item after the battle, so it doesn't count. Permanently stealing items from NPC Pokémon has been impossible since Generation IV. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:59, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

mt moon items

i was just being more specific. dome and helix are the actual fossils and it seems better than just fossils, so why not? -EternalDragonX (talk) 02:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

You don't have to be too specific. They're listed right there on the same list. And about the Super Nerd, he didn't have a name in Generation I, so simply referring him to as "Super Nerd" in the item location description applies to all Generations where he's present. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:05, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
but dome and helix fossils link to regular fossils so fossils are just another click away. me personally i treat each item as a separate line thats why they all have links so i think being more specific is only beneficial. i agree with the super nerd tho. -EternalDragonX (talk) 17:38, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
The paired Fossil articles are planned to be split into their articles, plus I don't think repeated links would look good. Also, why aren't you using any capital letters? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
even if they are being planned to split, we can still link to both when that time comes. and when u say repeating links i see team rocket grunt repeated a million times, which seems fine to me. too lazy to use shift. -EternalDragonX (talk) 21:48, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Whatever. And I meant repeating links in the item list location descriptions. Also, being too lazy to use shift... Wow. Just, wow. It's honestly not that hard. Don't make yourself look ridiculously lazy, please. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:02, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
so by whatever can i take it i can change the link to dome and helix fossils? :) yeah i also meant repeating links in the item list. i see rocket grunt links a million times there. -EternalDragonX (talk) 21:59, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Go ahead. I'll make adjustments if I see it necessary, but I'll keep this conversation in mind while doing so. PS. Please start using big capital letters. It's honestly not that hard. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:23, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

repeated links

u seem to have a problem with repeated links; however if i go to mt moon items section i can see a team rocket grunt link over and over. so what's the problem? -EternalDragonX (talk) 19:27, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

The problem is that you shouldn't purposefully add repeated links. And removing them is always a plus. Plus, repeated Trainer class links on Trainer lists are a bit different case than repeated links in the item descriptions. PS. Please start using big capital letters when necessary. You're making yourself look lazy by not doing it. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:53, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Fairy type vs. Fairy-type

What's the difference supposed to be between those two? When am I supposed to use Fairy type and when am I supposed to use Fairy-type? I find this very confusing. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:26, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

The difference is that "X-type" is an adjective, while "X type" is a noun. A good mnemonic is that "X-type" is always followed by a word, like "Sylveon is a Fairy-type Pokémon", but "X type" is not, like "Sylveon is a Fairy type". I hope that clears it up for you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I think I get it now. Thanks. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


Don't suppose you know how we can redirect links like Lusamine's Cleffa and Lusamine's Clefairy to Lusamine's Clefable?--BigDocFan (talk) 19:43, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

I think I just took care of that. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:11, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
It's really simple, actually. Just make a page with the redirect title, write #REDIRECT, and add the link to the page you want the redirect to lead to after that. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:48, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Regarding Playerking

Hey, I just want to point out that edit summaries like these can be considered rude. It's fine to have disagreements with another user, but to tell them to be quiet isn't the way to solve those disagreements. Preferably, discuss it with Playerking on a suitable talk page.

Besides that, may I ask what your motivation is for adding several moves, such as Flash Cannon for Nebby and Air Slash? I haven't seen the episode yet, but you should know by now that Bulbapedia is built on proof, especially when it comes to moves being used. If they weren't called out on screen, please wait until they are in another episode or wait for the closed captioning. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 14:33, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I admit that I may have been a bit rude, but those moves have exactly same animations as we've already seen in the anime. Air Slash is even used in this very same episode. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:01, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Route 206 items

Why did you undo my edit? A bunch of other location pages, like Mt. Coronet, have multiple item tables. sumwun (talk) 19:55, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, your edit was valid. There were just a couple of errors I noticed. 1) Leave a space in between the templates. 2) You missed a couple of items that should've been under the bridge. I also felt a bit grumpy yesterday, so I didn't feel like fixing your edit, so I instead went the lazy route and undid it entirely. Don't worry. I can put it the proper way to satisfy us both now. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:07, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Okay thanks. sumwun (talk) 16:27, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Anime move mistakes

I am hereby informing you that, due to continued and widespread failure to follow the anime move policy, I will be instituting a 3 strikes policy for anime moves. If a user adds a move that should not be added, they get a strike. If they make another mistake when they have 3 strikes, they will receive a block. This applies to you as soon as this is posted. (I.e., you are currently at 0 strikes.)

I will attempt to reiterate the anime move policy here so that it as simple as possible to follow:

In no other circumstances should a move be added. If you cannot testify that the above conditions were met when you added a move, you will receive a strike. If you feel that a move should be acknowledged, please feel free to bring it up to me or any staff member.

Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:03, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to give you 24 hours to explain how this reversion meets the criteria outlined above. If you cannot, you will gain a strike. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:19, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Okay, maybe it doesn't, but honestly, you just aren't using common sense! You are actively removing valid information by saying that since it wasn't stated out loud, it doesn't count. This wasn't an issue at one point in Bulbapedia's history, so why is it now? Why?! There was a time when we weren't restricted by rules as unnecessarily strict as these! You are actively making Bulbapedia lie to people by removing information that even they can see is true and valid! Honestly, if there is uncertainty about a move's identity, then discuss about it! Don't remove it!
Also, like I said in the edit summary, Nebby's attack was Sunsteel Strike, since it's required to use Searing Sunraze Smash, which it had used in the previous episode. "Glowing headbutt"? Are you serious?! The animation even looks identical to the one in the games in the later appearance! I don't want to consider you as a narrow-minded or stupid person, so please, don't act like one! I'm only trying to help Bulbapedia from hurting itself! --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
PS. Sorry about my rudeness there. I'm just really passionate about this subject. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:39, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
"Why is it [an issue] now?" Because of things like finding out someone made a wrong guess with Air Slash or Psycho Cut or whatever.
You say, "if there is uncertainty about a move's identity, then discuss about it!" A number of people one way or another missed the chance...Talk:Sunsteel Strike (move)#SM053. In fact, I was half prepared to remove it, but I decided instead to leave that question on the talk page. Then I forgot for a while and when I remembered again I was disappointed to notice it still hadn't gotten any response. Besides which, the same goes for you: discuss it. Stop reverting just because you're "sure". Stop reverting without any new insights. I don't like to pull the authority card, but stop reverting staff just because you don't like it. Discuss. This here is important: I DO NOT say that we are hostile to all of your wants. But I, for one, just want some order. We never said that people can just assume—in one place or another, we have explicitly said that's what we don't want. But I've also asked you all to ask someone on staff, and I really can't think of one time where that was anyone's first reaction. Can you see how that just gets frustrating, when I keep trying to push that? That's why I went to zero tolerance with these strikes.
DISCUSS. We/I am here to listen. You may be very reasonable, and we may find a way to accomodate you. But it doesn't happen if you won't talk first. (Editing first will get you strikes.)
So... You're maintaining that Nebby used Sunsteel Strike. Just to be sure we can talk about the same thing reliably, please...well, please just respond to Talk:Sunsteel Strike (move)#SM053 as requested there. We'll figure it out there.
Since you have not been able to meet the criteria clearly outlined above...
You are at 1 strike. Tiddlywinks (talk) 10:40, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I left the response. Again, sorry for my rudeness. I can be rude when I get frustrated, even on authority figures, because in those cases, my mindset basically becomes: "Oh, so this authority figure thinks I can't say something against their opinion? Just watch me!" I know it's not right or polite in the slightest, so, again, I apologise. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:59, 20 September 2018 (UTC) PS. I had actually completely forgotten about this strike system until now. That's what tends to happen with me with things that I haven't been reminded of enough.

You're super bringing this on yourself... I'm thinking that if you haven't learned so far (and with so little time passed as well in this recent case), then I'll let you dig your own grave until you finally get deep enough to learn something from it.

I'm going to skip checking whether you can justify this edit since it's about the same thing you got strike 1 for and nothing has changed since then.

You are at 2 strikes. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:21, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

To be honest, I WAS going to reverse the edit on Sunsteel Strike's own page as well. But I knew you'd react like this, so I instead left a message on the talk page. But apparently, even the thing I did was too much for you. Bleh... --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:09, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Yeah. I admit. I should've removed the edit I did, or better yet, not done it at all. I'm sorry. Is it possible for me to get that second strike removed? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:14, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
I think not. FWIW 3 strikes is not "out", it's basically your last warning. Tiddlywinks (talk) 10:22, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

My error

Sorry about mistaking Magic Coat as Mirror Coat, I should have read a little more before posting that. :P Frozen Fennec 13:39, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

It's okay. The important thing is you recognized your mistake and fixed it. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:49, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Skrub's Hitmontop

Since I was the one who found the information in question I was told I should be the one to explain it. I was prompted to look into this when someone asked me why Eagun's Pikachu could miss moves with 100 Accuracy when battling Skrub. Since I had the files and the know-how, I looked at each instance of Skrub's Hitmontop in Colosseum's common.rel. The important thing to note is that:

The Hitmontop for Eagun's Battle at 0xDD66F9, lists 0xED as holding 0xB3, which translates to a Bright Powder All other instances, such as in his first battle with you at 0xD34A9, list 0xED as holding 0xCF, which translates to a Black Belt.

I've not seen anyone else who's proven this, so you'll just have to take my word on it.


Unalive (talk) 18:55, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you. This is a good and reliable source. But next time, please provide your source right away to avoid cases like this. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:02, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

floor order

floor order overrides game order? Since when? there are plenty of pages where game order is used over floor order. here's two: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Rock_Tunnel#Items https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Seafoam_Islands#Items plus game order is easier to follow--EternalDragonX (talk) 17:20, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Those are pages where this issue just hasn't been fixed yet. Feel free to do it yourself, if you want to. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
"those are the pages". every page is like this. why is it an issue? why feel the need to impose floor order? game order is so much better. if i am playing a certain game i can just scroll to it and not have to wade thru the items. where did u even get this idea from? --EternalDragonX (talk) 18:56, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
It's not on every page. In fact, it's on a ton of pages already. Not in every page (and, as I said above, it'd be good for those pages where this is not the case to have it fixed), but generally speaking, it's preferred to list items in the order of accessibility, which, in the case of places like caves and buildings, means floors, even if it contradicts the game order. This order has received admin approval, as you can see here. It's an old edit, I know, but the point is still valid. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:39, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
what u linked i have no problem with: oras and ruby/saph are basically the same game. look at seafoam islands. rby and frlg items are interwoven, which is fine. its that hgss should be listed after, because its layout is entirely different and should not be interwoven with rbyfrlg. and yes it is every page. since u claim its not every page, id like to see an example where its not. cave of origin is not an example. i am listing items in order of accessibility. frlg was released before hg/ss. so hgss items should come after. that simple. --EternalDragonX (talk) 19:50, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
If the layout of the floors is different, then just keep the floors in a numerical order but put the newer games after the older ones. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:55, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
..that's exactly what i'm doing. for every kanto page i did that since it overlaps with the johto pages. that includes celadon department. why keep that one different. hgss should come after. --EternalDragonX (talk) 11:42, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
The point is, keep the floors in numerical order. You can put the items on a floor in the obtainable and/or game order, but keep the floor numbers in numerical order. I hope you understood. PS. You should seriously start using capital letters. It's not that hard or tiresome. Honestly. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:50, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
why would i use floor order. u said urself that i should list the items in terms of accessibility. not every single place is linear in the sense that i can obtain every single item on a floor before moving on to the next one. sometimes i will for example be able to get an item on the second floor before an item on the first floor. floor order is meaningless. and as ive said, if we do floor order the games will all be mixed together, and why would you want that? --EternalDragonX (talk) 17:07, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
...This isn't getting us anywhere. We need to ask an admin about this, although I still think you should try to understand my point. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:15, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
what is ur point exactly? the only thing ive gathered is "use floor order". not a single reason why, tho. --EternalDragonX (talk) 17:19, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Why not? It only makes sense. People see the floor numbers before the games anyway, as they, more often than not, read from right to left, so it makes sense to list them in that order. Floor order is the first priority, game order is the second. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
have you not read a single thing ive said. ive given you many reasons why floor order is bad. when people are looking at the items they are playing the game and trying to find them. if u put an item that can be found at the end first thats awful. u said it urself, you should list the itens in terms of accessibility. thats what im doing. now ur saying floor order trumps that? ur contradiciting urself. --EternalDragonX (talk) 18:44, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
EternalDragonX, at what order the player finds the items is not something we can control. Especially for a place that has no linearity. Just because you find an item at a certain order, doesn't mean everyone else will. Most of your concerns (this ties back to the discussion you had on TiddlyWinks page) are just things we cannot control. How the player plays the game is not our issue. Therefore, at what order a player can obtain the item is not a priority since players finds items at a different order.--ForceFire 08:24, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
so, what, we should list all the items in floor order? and mix all the games together? yea that seems like a great idea, considering no pages are like that. not to mention how confusing that is. --EternalDragonX (talk) 11:51, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
also, are you suggesting that the order we list items in is irrelevant? thats what it sounds like ur saying, since it isn't something we can "control". which also means that i might as well list an item at the very back of the dungeon before an item right by the entrance right? --EternalDragonX (talk) 21:33, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Floor order and then game order. The ordering that you're suggesting ("sometimes i will for example be able to get an item on the second floor before an item on the first floor") is what we can't control. So what if you found the item on the second floor first before an item on the first floor? That's not something we can control. Different players play the game differently. The order where you obtain them is not of a high priority for a place like Seafoam Islands or Rock Tunnel, since it's an open area. Routes are a different story, where the ordering should be the items from point A to point B.--ForceFire 06:17, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

so youre seriously telling me that you would mix the gsc items with the firered items in rock tunnel? why would you do that. it serves 0 benefit. and again, youre also saying that i should list an item that may be right by the exit of an area before one near the entrance of an area? that makes no sense. these are yes or no questions by the way. also, im not really "controlling" the players, im just giving them a suggested sequence of obtaining the items; one that wouldnt involve much if any backtracking at all. accessibility order is just so much more convenient: you can get every single item by going down the list, not having to skip several items and then go back up to try and find them again. there's no reason to use floor order --EternalDragonX (talk) 11:58, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
It's not that confusing. It's not as jumbled up as you're making it out to be. The ordering is still going to be RBY>GSC>FRLG>HGSS, regardless of the template going by floor order. Common sense should still be considered, if you know you're not going to place an item from deep in a dungeon as the first item listed, then I don't know what the problem is. You're well aware of how nonsensical that is. To make it easier, if there are two items by the entrance (one on the left and one on the right), it doesn't matter which one gets listed first because different players are going to get different items first.
We are not a walkthrough, we are not going to give a suggested ordering, we're just listing the items. No need to be nit picky about the specifics. whether someone doesn't want to backtrack isn't really our problem. Again, players play the games differently. I'd be happy to back track, while other probably wouldn't. That's just how it goes. It's not a high priority.
If you want to continue this discussion, feels free to come to my talk page or any of the location talk pages. Finnish probably wouldn't want to keep getting notified about his talk page.--ForceFire 05:18, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for helping me out with the formatting on the Lush Jungle and Diglett's Tunnel pages! I'm new to editing Bulbapedia, so I'm still getting the hang of how the shortcuts work and what the standards are. If you have any tips/tricks, please let me know! –Butterfreeism 18:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. And certainly! If you feel uncertain about something, feel free to ask me or some other more experienced user. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

viridian gym

what the hell was the point of that edit. its clearly not about floor order anymore so why even bother. --EternalDragonX (talk) 12:00, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

no ones going to answer this for you --EternalDragonX (talk) 12:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
I know. I'm just getting tired of this. I saw it as other Gym items going after the reward TMs, but rethinking about it, I'm not so sure about that anymore. I'll see what I'll do with it. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:22, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
i still dont have the faintest why you put that macho brace at the end. wasnt it you yourself who said items on the same floor can be in game order? --EternalDragonX (talk) 17:37, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
They're technically in the obtaining order now. The Revive is first because you can obtain it before the Gym battle, the reward TMs are obtained right after the Gym battle (regardless of the game, which is why they are in game order), and the Macho Brace can be obtained after Giovanni has left after the Gym battle. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:04, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
im all for accessibility order. im the one thats preaching it. but that is only limited to being in the same game; rby and frlg are basically the same game. if there was say a potion in the exact same spot as the revive in rby in frlg, yes i would list it right after the revive, before the tm. but hgss is an entirely different game. the layout of everything is different. if an item is in a different location, it should follow game order instead. aka kanto>johto. just because the items happen to be given by the gym leader after being defeated shouldnt mean they should be together. --EternalDragonX (talk) 19:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
first of all that was my talk page not his. secondly i can see you have the time to go through other peoples talk pages but not your own... --EternalDragonX (talk) 14:42, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
i like how u read that talk page but you completely ignore the fact that i specifically ask not to just go and undo my edit because there ARE other improvements i made but you went ahead and undid all of them anyway. so thanks. real classy move. --EternalDragonX (talk) 14:49, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
yeah u know what your edit was just so appalling im just gonna undo it and separate the tables myself... something i was planning on doing later... --EternalDragonX (talk) 14:56, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
In case you're referring to the Victory Road edit, I reversed it because it was the easy way to put it back the way it was. If you feel like you want to improve it somehow now, feel free to do so. Just don't combine the sections to one again. Also, I DID check my talk page. I'm simply just growing tired of arguing against you and your stubbornness. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:58, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
jesus christ i LITERALLY said that i was just going to separate the tables right now. and ill do it by breaking it up from MY edit. not yours. still also love the fact that you havent even addressed the issue of viridian gym but you do all this... --EternalDragonX (talk) 15:09, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I think you're taking this a biiit too seriously. I'm honestly not sure about Gyms, since it's not often we get items other than the reward TMs from them, but for now, I'm satisfied woth how it is, for the reasons I gave you earlier. PS. Could YOU also please respond to my question? Why do you refuse to use big capital letters? It's honestly not hard at all. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:35, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
no im not taking this too seriously. because u went and did your victory road edit i had to undo it so that i could make my edit, which i said i would literally on my talk page, which i know you read. then you go ahead and undo my undo literally WHILE i was making my edit like i said above and i had to go and undo that AGAIN. anymore and they'd accuse me of edit warring.
not sure eh? well guess what. i am. if you dont give me a good reason and address what i said above im undoing your edit on viridian gym.
... use ... capital letters? ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4p-SUvicno --EternalDragonX (talk) 20:34, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
yooooooo i know you read my last message. the fact that you made an edit means youve been on and i seriously doubt you didnt read it. --EternalDragonX (talk) 16:11, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Again, I didn't reply because I'm getting tired of this. Also, you didn't give any good reasoning for why you don't use big capital letters. Or reasoning at all, in fact. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:43, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
all right im undoing your edit. --EternalDragonX (talk) 17:04, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

celadon department store

im undoing your edit. cuz we talked about how the items should follow game order regardless of floor order. :) --EternalDragonX (talk) 01:23, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

No. You should follow the floor order. Why are you so obsessed about this? It's not right! --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:12, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
wot m8. we talked about it in the first two paragraphs: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Force_Fire#floor_order_cont
game order will always be the same. --EternalDragonX (talk) 15:33, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
...I honestly can't understand your mindset. You're way too obsessed about this. Also, please, write with big capital letters like a mature person would. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
You've clearly misinterpreted what I said EternalDragon. What I meant was that the order of the games is always going to be the same order even if the list is following floor order. So for example:
Floor 1:
Floor 2:
Floor 3:
The game order is not going to get jumbled up if you follow by floor order.--ForceFire 16:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC)


Regarding my edit here, I had looked beforehand if events such as this one had been noted on other episode pages, but I couldn't find any so I removed it. I figured it'd be weird to leave this when it wasn't done for other Pokémon. But you say it has been done for other Pokémon, so I was wondering what pages you were talking about. Could you maybe show an example? Satsjoe (talk) 10:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

EP075, EP077, and EP111. I also guess it could be applied to one or two of Ash's Unova Pokémon that he didn't add to his party right away too, like Palpitoad. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:50, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Guess I didn't search well enough, my bad. Satsjoe (talk) 10:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
It's okay. Errare humanum est. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

why not

all i did was reorder the items and add links. of course reordering them isnt absolutely necessary, but why not? now theres a semblance of how you obtain the items. --EternalDragonX (talk) 05:48, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Links I can understand, but the reordering? No. These lists are supposed to be in alphabetical order, not in obtainable order. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

When Nebby learned Sunsteel Strike

Can you explain why you think Nebby learned Sunsteel Strike when it evolved?

I'm also curious about what you meant when you said you received approval for it.

(FYI I'm not inclined to worry about strikes in this case/at this point because it's a weird situation. This is worth sorting out on its own terms for now.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

For the exact same reason I said in the edit summary and what we discussed on your talk page just a little while ago: the anime recently confirmed that exclusive Z-Moves need a certain move to act as their basis, just like in the games. Since Nebby used Searing Sunraze Smash in the episode where it evolved into Solgaleo, it must have also known Sunsteel Strike at the time. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:37, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

External link on Pokemon breeding

Hey, I can see you reverted my change on Pokémon breeding. Would it be OK to add the link as a referrence? I'd add new section as it doesn't exists for that article. --Robdy (talk) 13:21, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Ask an admin. I'd say no, but ask one of them to be sure. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:26, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Spiritomb edits

Is there any specific reason why you removed my edits in the Spiritomb page? - unsigned comment from ABlinkAway4 (talkcontribs)

First off: new comments go to the bottom of the talk page. You can add a new section by clicking the "+" next to the "Edit" button.
Second: don't forget to sign your comments. The sign button is right above the edit window, the second to last button.
Third: while the trivia was valid, it was poorly written and placed. Sorry. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:31, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Archive images

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9_Problem&diff=prev&oldid=2870434 I hid them for the simple reason that I didn't know they were uploaded yet and they always get hidden there without any problem. They were also hidden because they don't get uploaded that quickly. I don't hide things for no reasons, so please don't get annoyed without knowing the reason. Playerking95 (talk)!

I managed to find a HD version of the episode soon after it had aired. That's where I got those pictures. Sorry if you felt like I offended you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:41, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Pokémon League (Alola)/Title Defense page

I confirmed that Sophocles's Magnezone is Analytic in USUM. See also my tweet. Deutsch and Chinese version say too so.--Zaggyo (talk) 06:56, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:01, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Beta Page Revision

Just curious why my two edits were undone; I thought they were helpful. The space on the XD page in case people though the entire thing was one item and the notes on the Colosseum page to note that there were only a handful of noted Pokémon among the lists are never available in the final game. Frozen Fennec 19:37, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Pardon me. I didn't think that the space was necessary and the Colosseum edit could've been done a bit better. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:12, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Ah, let me know how it could be done better so I can improve on it then; thank you. :) Frozen Fennec 20:20, 30 October 2018 (UTC)


why are you removing my links --EternalDragonX (talk) 11:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

They were repeat links. Also, don't forget to use the {{pkmn}} and {{pkmn2}} templates to make links simpler to add. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:05, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
gee, maybe it wouldve been nice to say that in the change instead of having me come and ask. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. and those links were the first in those sections; they were repeated, but in an above section. it should be fine to repeat them --EternalDragonX (talk) 13:21, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
1) You're being unnecessarily rude. 2) Okay, valid point, but I'm still not sure. 3) I'm really not in the mood of arguing with you again. Please ask someone higher up, like Force Fire or Chosen. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


I checked the RAWs, and Viz's translation is correct. It was Facade. I want to move the file, but which is the Electrike's nickname in the Viz version? The image currently says "Rikey", but it says "Rikelec" on the template itself. Ataro (talk) 17:47, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

It's the latter. I added it to the template only a few hours ago. And while you're at it, could you also move the other move pictures from the same page? I also changed their names in the templates to match the ones in the Viz translation. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Recent edit

You've been told by an admin that you shouldn't undo an edit just because YOU think it includes bad grammar. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Spiritomb_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=2868512 That's not constructive. Playerking95 (talk) 15:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry. It's just a fact that said edit legitimately contained grammatical errors. I also personally saw that the sentence structure could've been better. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:46, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Detective Pikachu Cameos

Why did you remove the cameo Pokemon from the Detective Pikachu film page? They do appear in the film and I did specifically list them as being a cameo. So, why did you remove them? Thanks. Ice Cream 16:28, 14 November 2018 (UTC)