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:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth|<span style="color:#FF8000"> MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk</span>]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth|<span style="color:#FF8000"> MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk</span>]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
== Gekkoga ==
You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D
Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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Archived talk

How do I archieve?

I see you just archieved your talk page. I'm feeling my talk page has grown over the years to a size I feel like is more than enough long. Can I just do it on my own like you did with your talk page just now? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Yup, all you have to do is move it more or less wherever you want (with the tab at the top of the page). Make sure to link the archive on your new talk page, too. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll do that when I get the chance. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Cosplay Pikachu

Tiddlywinks: To change costumes all you have to do is talk to the lady... That is already written. Sory I am new and still learningTripplekittys (talk) 22:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


I just wanted to thank you for your hard work with the e-Reader information for Colosseum. I've been trying to get a hold of that information for a long time and you managed to collect quite a substantial amount. So again, thanks! ht14 23:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Nmurthy deserves much of the credit for being the first to find the most recent information and start adding it here. I'm hoping I'll be able to contact the video's uploader, though, and maybe add even more info eventually. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Talk: Starter Pokémon

Christian (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC) Hi Tiddlywinks,

I feel this trivia fact in the anime is important and should not be deleted please.

  • Charmander is the only Kanto starter that was not obtained or caught by May.

May only got Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but not Charmander. She does have a Fire-starter, but it is from "Hoenn" not Kanto.

Three Pokemon is a small group, and two is a small number. It borders on coincidence. But honestly, I don't generally bother with the anime so maybe I've got the wrong perspective and others might feel different if you bring it up on the Starter Pokemon talk page. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Christian (talk) 02:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC) It might make a great trivia fact. Ash caught all the Kanto starters, but May only caught two of them. Soot yourself if you don't appreciate it. (Others would probably realize this too.)

Tiddlywinks is right, three Pokémon is too small of a group. So your trivia is unnotable.--ForceFire 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)


I am not sure on the exact percents as I didn't dig up the info myself (as I've said on my talk page). I did check other things on my own, and for example there are indeed natural Spiked Tiles in Solar Cave. Eridanus (talk) 12:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, it doesn't look like the writer for the FAQ you linked explicitly said whether they got their numbers directly from the game or from lots of experimenting. I don't really mind practical estimations myself; my concern is just, if that's what they are (instead of ideal values), it should probably be noted. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
I'll edit the pages appropiately. And use your template as it's far more convenient. Eridanus (talk) 12:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Pokémon Manga Location

Hi, you previously removed my addition to the Location part of PS001 saying that the infobo wasn't meant for more than one information.

Alot of other chapters such as PS002 contains more than one. I'm lost. MannedTooth (talk) 23:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Okay, that's partly my bad, then.
There's still a couple issues with what you were trying to add, though. First and foremost, as a guideline, how about we generally try to stick to places we actually have pages for on this wiki? (I.e., not "West part of Pallet Town's Forest".) Second, checking the summary, it really doesn't sound like Oak's Lab features at all prominently in PS001; so that's probably a reason against adding Oak's Lab there too. Also, while I do notice that PS005 includes the Gym as a location, other chapters like PS014 don't include Pokémon Tower and such; you can argue they should, but I would suggest this: most often, it's not really necessary to include locations within a town (like Oak's Lab) if that town is already given as the location.
Feel free to ask any other questions. I'm totally capable of being wrong or underinformed, so I'd be happy to hear if you see anything else that seems to contradict what I've said. Honestly, one of the Project Manga contacts may be a better person to try to talk to if you want more confident answers. =P Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
I totally understand that places that don't have a page are irrelavant, that's sorted out for me now. But for your exemple with Oak's Lab, even though it is IN Pallet Town, this is still a well-known and important place to be in the Pokémon game. But that's not my question, no, it's rather as you said, Oak's Lab is not the main place in which the chapter takes place, but at the end (2 pages or so) of the chapter, Red is outside of Oak's Lab and we can very clearly see that it is his lab since there's a sign and all that.
As you said, you might not be the best person to argue something like that since it's manga-related, but where should we draw the line? Is knocking at the door of a building before entering it counts as being a location, or does the character needs to be INSIDE of that location? Thanks for your fast and elaborate replies ! It's really appreciated. :) MannedTooth (talk) 00:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I'll reiterate first: I don't really think Oak's Lab should be in the infobox at any point. Pallet Town is pretty much good enough, and the summary arguably suffices otherwise.
As for where the line might be: as a bare minimum, if a place isn't entered, it doesn't belong in the infobox. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Gotcha! MannedTooth (talk) 00:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Content removed

I had a couple of questions regarding my removed additions.

  • In Interviewers, you said "Please don't use "you". Also, quotes are for individuals, not Trainer classes"
    • I won't be using first person from now on, I will be using 3rd person. Thanks for the tip.
    • I agree with you on the fact that it should be for individuals, not for trainer class, but this one's tricky, since in every game, the interviewers are only 2 persons that stick together, so if you mention the game, you automatically know which trainer we are talking about. So what are the option here? I am seeing three:
      • We make an exception for this trainer class since, as I mentionned, they're unique in every game.
      • We make an exclusive page for each character and include their quotes in it.
      • We add to the trainer list their quotes from talking and initiating, winning or losing a fight.
  • In Player's House you said "Please stick to the 3rd person (not "we"). And that's not unique to ORAS"
    • As said previously, I will stick to the 3rd person. But can I still add this information?
    • Texts on Player's Houses signs aren't always written the same way even though they are very similar, should we put a table stating what every sign mentions for every generation?

Thanks again! :) MannedTooth (talk) 05:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

As for interviewers... Firstly, I'll note that we do have pages for Gabby and Ty and Roxy and Oli. But, secondly, it's really not guaranteed that any "interview" is conducted by those people unless that is explicitly conveyed. There's no reason other people can't have jobs as interviewers. (And thirdly, a "report" really isn't guaranteed to be conducted by "interviewers" either.)
For the house, I kind of think the sign is pretty trivial (and I don't mean that it belongs under Trivia). More, the differences between the signs are really trivial I think. If the sign would warrant any mention, it would be as part of the intro, not multiple times for each section. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
You're right, I haven't thought about the fact that others may be interviewers. For the next point, the game itself says that it's more than one ("we") interviewers than speak since it's written as so: "Interviewer: (text)" so it's probably them, but as you said, it's not guaranteed. As for the signs, yeah, it's pretty trivial, but it's still a part of the game's text/lore. Well, it's up to you, I'll stop mentionning it if it's that trivial. :P MannedTooth (talk) 05:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Quotes Mark. Why or Why not?

You recently removed the quotes on my TV shows' titles. Why is that so? I didn't quite understand the thing about the Teachy TV. As for the quotes themselves, the game uses them, shouldn't we use them too? MannedTooth (talk) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Where does the game use them? I only noticed them in the quotes for one of the shows you were adding, and at least one other didn't have them. While on the other hand, none of the other sections except Teachy TV had quotes either. (Teachy TV is a little weird, so I won't say it definitely should or shouldn't use quotes.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, in fact, 3 out of the 6 shows I'm adding uses them. Considering Nadia Reports is not the official name. It's 3/5.
They are:
  • ThePokémon Whisperer,
  • What's that?
MannedTooth (talk) 01:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, the headers for the Unova shows (including its Koukan Talk) didn't have quotes either.
The simple answer, though, is that it's just a special, applied format... Like how APA insists you underline or italicize shows or songs or whatever. But that's just in bulk text, really; that doesn't mean we must do the same thing in the section headers, it's just a very different context.
Side question: can you tell me why you chose to title the one section as Nadia Reports? In short, is that totally invented by you? Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
No, I took it from the Kalos Shows list. MannedTooth (talk) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
OK. Someone should look into whether that's really the best title... Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

trainer tips layout

Want me to reproduce the layout as in ORAS? I skip a line everytime the game does, is that it? MannedTooth (talk) 04:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I already did. But like I said, there needs to be an actual ORAS format for that template first. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, if you corrected the format, why do you keep it hidden? MannedTooth (talk) 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Because the Emerald format does not work properly with the ORAS text (and, again, there's no ORAS format currently). Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Ooohh, that's what you meant! Sorry! Now I understand. :P MannedTooth (talk) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Trying to delete discussion on main page

i am currently unable to delete the post I started on the main page. I want to delete it because I shouldn't have started a post out of "anger". Once again, Im sorry. MannedTooth (talk) 07:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh, well, that's better than what I thought it was, you trying to remove all comments after your first. =P As I did say on your talk page, though, talk page comments usually are not allowed to be removed. Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I knew you were gonna think I was trying to remove your comments... That stressed me out meanwhile I was struggling on my iPad, I really, really, don't mean harm to the website, nor do I want people to think I am a cheater, only wanted to delete my bad move. (Feeling bad about the fact that might start to get annoyed by all the trouble I've put you through, once again, gomen!) MannedTooth (talk) 07:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm just fine, but thanks. =) All I can really tell you is, if it at all deserves removing, I'm sure someone higher up will do it. (But I wouldn't count on it.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
A huge thank you for being so patient with me ^^ is this a good place for discussing what I was saying earlier? I would want to keep improving plots' quality. As for the Professor Oak thing, I wasn't so sure about that, you might be right, I just thought "Oak" was too... Hm.. Friendly, I guess? Anyways, as for the collective nouns, are those okay? Should they be considered 3rd person singular as I said or ..? MannedTooth (talk) 08:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Basically, I'd advise just leaving the collective nouns alone. IMO either way can be valid—I can even change my mind from one moment to the next. Like I kind of think "Team Rocket overhear Clemont and Bonnie talking about Snover and decide to take revenge on Abomasnow" is better than "overhears"/"decides", but then I think "Elsewhere, Team Rocket have also followed the group to the snowy mountains" is not as good as "has".
The other thing you mentioned, "Red sends out Poliwhirl and uses Water Gun", is not a wording I really have much problem with personally. And to be nitpicky, "makes him use Water Gun" isn't a great-sounding alternative IMO. Because, on the one hand, the Trainer is making the decisions; and on the other, it kind of gets awkward if you'd always have to say "makes [it] use". There may still be ways around both issues (like "Jessie sends out Gourgeist to attack with Shadow Ball and Seed Bomb"), but the best thing in the end may just be to get used to it (which of course is entirely up to you and your "conscience", so to speak). Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
After a quick research, I have come with some more information concerning collective nouns, well explained on this page: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/Collective-Nouns.html

In short: a team, for instance is always one thing, but it appears like I was part wrong, since when it acts as a whole, it's singular, and when it acts as individuals, it's plural. Examples:

  • Team Rocket IS looking for somewhere to hide.
  • Team Rocket ARE taking care of THEIR Pokémon. (Jessy for Ekans and James for Koffing for instance)

My "<trainer> makes <pokemon> uses <move>" phrasing is not that good I admit, but we should find a better way to do so, since even if it's minor. Let's say Ash asks Bulbasaur to tackle Blue. Is Ash tackling Blue? No, Bulbasaur is, on Ash's order.

Anyway, these are little details that are worth looking up in official sources since, if we want to build a real, good encyclopedia, our grammar/wording must be top-notch! ^~^ MannedTooth (talk) 08:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Streamlining signature

"I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears?": Is it possible to do that?

Jdogno4 (talk) 06:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Click the preferences link at the top of any page. The third box should be for your signature, and if you enter [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) in the new signature box, I think that'd make your signature appear like you want.
On a side note, it's usually best to reply to someone's original comment directly (like mine on your talk page) instead of starting a brand new comment on their talk page. Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


Thanks for updating the Genesect article. I just found a source that sites the code life. Do you think a source for the events should be provided? Blado (talk) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

If you follow the event link, there is a link to Bulbanews article and links to the 20th anniversary site. I suspect that's the sort of source you were thinking of? Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Number of badges needed

So, if I know that it's not 1, what should we put? Since writing 1 is a lie/mistake. MannedTooth (talk) 21:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Put 2 if that's right. Or 3 if that is. Or 4, or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. You can take the time to figure it out. "?" is just a bit too odd.
(FWIW, you may also want to check the shops just before you get a Badge, just to see if there was maybe something in between that actually changed it and you don't mistake that for a Badge.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Is there a way to improve this template? Like, if I change something on it, I need to change it for ALL the shops in Hoenn Gen 6 which is like for every city... Can't we just make a template already filled up with the good info and simply add it to every page we need it? As a programmer, that seems more logical to me, that makes your code (wiki) more DRY (don't repeat yourself). MannedTooth (talk) 22:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Basically, no, it's easier to just change every page.
Strictly speaking, it probably could be done, but I'm pretty sure the cons will outweigh the pros. ("Pretty sure" in part because it depends on how exactly you want to implement it. And also because I'm not an expert on how templates burden a wiki; I just know they do to an extent/at a certain point. You unfortunately can't do everything with a wiki you might like to with a custom program.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, I don't know about the burden (but to me, one instance is less heavy than many) but I know enough about wiki templates that I know this can be done, and as you said, except for the burdening (which may even be smaller imo). All you have to do is create the template already filled, and then add it where you want, when you change the original, they all change, so much more ergonomic and easy-to-use. Who are the ones who decide the template stuff? I would like to discuss that with them. ^~^ MannedTooth (talk) 22:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, I can tell you that when a template needs to be improved, one of the first things that gets done is to manually substitute any nested template calls. It has to do with this sort of thing and everything that's on that page I think. So a template that's just a thin wrapper for another template probably won't exactly be appreciated.
But if you really want, sure, I can try to direct you to someone else...? Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Consistency on Route 110

In the game, they appear in this order : Plusle on the left and Minun on the right.

(It's a 2v2 battle) MannedTooth (talk) 02:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

1) In a battle, Trainers face each other. So your left Pokemon (which is your first) is not opposite their "left"/first Pokemon.
2) The game also says, "sent out Plusle and Minun", not Minun and Plusle. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, right! You never stop to be right don't you? ahah MannedTooth (talk) 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Paradoxically, the secret is to never trust that you are. =P Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, you see, I try to be humble about everything and accepting what others tell me, like, the first time I joined the wiki, I didn't understand your way of doing things. But now that I more or less understood, I try to verify every sources and accept other's arguments. (although, you saw that I love arguing) :P MannedTooth (talk) 03:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Deleted shop

I know it was already mentionned that there were move tutors, but I think we should still make a section for the shop that does so instead of all putting in move tutors. (Talking about Mauville City) MannedTooth (Talk) 14:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

You hardly added anything with those shop sections. The Ultimate Move Shop is the one exception, but only barely. Ultimately, you were pretty much only adding the signs for each shop. And that's not nearly enough justification for making entirely new sections on the page. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, there was content to add, simply I didn't go in depth. I was planning to do that later. MannedTooth (Talk) 15:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
You still shouldn't duplicate/overlap the move tutors section. Didn't you say it before: D.R.Y. =P Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) MannedTooth (Talk) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D

Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--Omojuzeforever (talk) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)