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== Burn Up and Double Shock ==

Should these two be grouped, with appropriate tables at the end of their pages?

[[User:Gunzel73|Gunzel73]] ([[User talk:Gunzel73|talk]]) 09:25, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

== PP (Again) ==

Given that this topic has been discussed many times above, there seem to be two camps on the issue: those who separate {{m|Aqua Jet}} and {{m|Quick Attack}} based on PP, and people like me who think that {{m|Prismatic Laser}} is basically {{m|Hyper Beam}}. The current standard is that accuracy and power must match exactly and PP must be within 5, while additional effect chance and to some extent type may vary. I do not believe 5 PP should remain the standard, as neither group is satisfied (see 2 topics above) and different moves can be included depending on the selection of the "base" move (see [[Talk:Move variations#Remove "similar PP" as a criteria|above]]). [[User:Eragon4|Eragon4]] ([[User talk:Eragon4|talk]]) 23:12, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

:Without having  been part of previous discussions, why should there be only one 'similar moves' list? We could have subcategories, in the same way that physical and special variants of otherwise identical/similar moves are grouped. [[User:Gunzel73|Gunzel73]] ([[User talk:Gunzel73|talk]]) 05:14, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
::I'm not clear on what you're suggesting. Are you saying there should be additional pages with different thresholds for what makes a move similar enough? That would solve the lack of consensus for the definition, but it would (I feel) also be redundant, arbitrary, and confusing. [[User:Eragon4|Eragon4]] ([[User talk:Eragon4|talk]]) 01:27, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm not quite saying that's what we should do, only that it's an option worth considering. Agree there's a risk of redundant categories. However, I'm thinking more about the template level, not the page level, so it shouldn't be too intrusive? [[User:Gunzel73|Gunzel73]] ([[User talk:Gunzel73|talk]]) 13:11, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
::::As it stands, the templates link here, and although some discrepancies may exist, it's better to avoid the double standard. I saw a suggestion to switch to literal categories for looser groupings (e.g. [[:Category:Moves that require recharging]]), and this does work in some cases, but is less user-friendly. [[User:Eragon4|Eragon4]] ([[User talk:Eragon4|talk]]) 14:31, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

== Octazooka ==

I believe Octazooka has a 50% chance to lower accuracy, not 30%. Would this make it not a variation? [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] ([[User talk:FrankTheTank000|talk]]) 03:47, 7 January 2026 (UTC)

== Flame Charge/Struggle Bug ==

Should this be broken up into two variations? One for raising stats and one for lowering them? [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] ([[User talk:FrankTheTank000|talk]]) 21:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Gyro Ball/Electro Ball ==

Not sure that these should be considered variations of each other. I get that they're both speed-related ball moves but the way they calculate their damage is completely different. Gyro Ball scales inversely with the user and target's Speeds, but Electro Ball has only 5 possible damage values [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] ([[User talk:FrankTheTank000|talk]]) 21:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Iron Tail/Dragon Rush ==

If two moves have both different PP and different percentages for their (in this case, different) effects, should they really be considered variations? [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] ([[User talk:FrankTheTank000|talk]]) 21:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sludge Wave/Moonblast fall under this too [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] ([[User talk:FrankTheTank000|talk]]) 21:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Psybeam/Sludge ==

Should this be broken up into two variations? One for the 10% moves and one for the 30% ones? [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] ([[User talk:FrankTheTank000|talk]]) 21:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)