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2019-03-20T09:35:45Z

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:Hi, sorry it's come to this, I didn't know Bulbapedia had private message capabilities. Also, I'm not sure how I should be expected to edit the mainspace pages, as most seem to be locked for administrators only, and most pages are completely accurate anyway.--[[User:ZiggyAngelo8|ZiggyAngelo8]] ([[User talk:ZiggyAngelo8|talk]]) 22:05, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
::You can edit something that isn't related to Gen VIII.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:07, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
:::You're clearly not looking far and deep enough on Bulbapedia. About 97% of the articles on here are capable of being edited by anyone and everyone. Go to a Pokémon article; all of them, with the exceptions of the [[Galar]] [[starter Pokémon]], can be edited. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 02:44, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
::::But my point still stands that most of those pages are as accurate as possible already--[[User:ZiggyAngelo8|ZiggyAngelo8]] ([[User talk:ZiggyAngelo8|talk]]) 09:35, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

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2019-03-17T22:05:08Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Blocked */

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Hi, sorry it's come to this, I didn't know Bulbapedia had private message capabilities. Also, I'm not sure how I should be expected to edit the mainspace pages, as most seem to be locked for administrators only, and most pages are completely accurate anyway.--[[User:ZiggyAngelo8|ZiggyAngelo8]] ([[User talk:ZiggyAngelo8|talk]]) 22:05, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

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2019-03-17T22:04:54Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Blocked */

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== Blocked ==

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Hi, sorry it's come to this, I didn't know Bulbapedia had private message capabilities. Also, I'm not sure how I should be expected to edit the mainspace pages, as most seem to be locked for administrators only, and most pages are completely accurate anyway.

Talk:Pokémon world in relation to the real world/Archive 1

2019-03-17T21:54:49Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Galar Region */

==Cinnibar==
It's quite possible that Cinnibar is a part of the Sevii Islands, as Midway Island, for instance, is technically a part of the Hawaiian chain. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 19:26, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Shinnou==
Where did that information come from that Shino is based on Hokkaido? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:Because, you gotta look at the released Corocoro scans from this month ==[[User:Jason|Jade]] 2.56pm, 14 June 2006 (AEST)

::And what do you know about Japanese geography, eh? Could be Hokkaido - but the mountain chain makes me suspect Hokuriku - which is on the west side of the Japanese Alps. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:::To anyone who wishes to edit this page so as to state that Hokkaido has been confirmed - learn Japanese beforehand and refrain from counting on unofficial web sites. CoroCoro only referred to Shin'ō as an island similar to Hoenn - that leaves Shikoku and Hokkaido. It is plain to see that the map, which has been largely revealed to us, takes the shape of Hokkaido. It is for this that some web sites such as Filb.de claim it to be based on Hokkaido as if it were confirmed.

:::Unlike Zhen Lin, I am absolutely confident in the veracity of Hokkaido. Even so, the correct wording is to be used at the very least until a full map has been obtained. Hoenn was confirmed to have been modeled after Kyūshū not long after Ruby and Sapphire had seen release. That said, Sevii Islands and Orre have thus far remained in the realm of speculation - but at least we have the resources provided by the games. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]

::::What about the orange islands and fiore? [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 14:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I mean look at Sinnoh's shape...

Funny thing about orre...(get it?Orrezona((Arizona and Orre)).).

--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 06:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

==Indian elephants==
Hm. I was flipping through my FireRed game the other day, and there's lots of Indian elephants mentioned in the Pokedex entries... is this worth mentioning? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] 02:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Pikachu's power? Definately. --[[User:Kyoufu Kawa|Kyoufu Kawa]] 18:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Noah's ark==
I was watching ''[[EP016|Pokémon Shipwreck]]'' and i noticed that brock tells about noah and the ark. Can we put that somewhere? --[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 22:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:: What the heck does that have to do with geography? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:::It doesn't, it has to do with history of our world [[User:Count Caterpie|Count]] [[User talk:Count Caterpie|Caterpie]] 23:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Wrong again. It has to do with the mythology of our world, not history. You shouldn't too much into it, anyway, it was just a cop out. They didn't feel like making a whole new religion for the series, so they stole the most readily available one.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 14:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== About the real world locations mentioned section... ==

some of these things just have to go. The Fantina dialogue thing doesn't really have anything to do with it since that only happened immediately before the battle, not when you first encounter her at the contest hall or after you beat her. Besides, she could have just been using a fake accent. I mean, [[Blue (Game)|Blue]] was using a french accent when he fought you on the St. Anne, and the last time I checked, he never visited France or anything, never spoke in that accent prior to it, and immediately dropped the accent right after you beat him. Also, i doubt that an Indian elephant should count towards a real world location (maybe real world animal, but definitely not a real world location.)

anyways, thats all for now.

~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

Actually Fantina says something about moving to Hearthrome(spelling might be wrong) City before the battle.I am not sure but I think that backs up that she is from France

~~Starfire~~

Just because she said that she moved to hearthrome city doesn't necessarily mean that she was from France. I mean, if she explicitly stated that she was from France (or canada, even), then yes, that would have merit. But she never really said where she moved from. she only gave a vague mention of another country. I mean, for all we know, she could have just as easily come from the Orange or sevii Islands (I think of the Sevii Islands as an entirely seperate place than an actual region considering how it and Kanto seem to have somewhat of a feud before you arrived that wouldn't be of this scale if it was a region.], or Heck, even Orre (they seemed to imply through a news report in colosseum that it has entirely different regions due to the fact that they mentioned that several regions were attacked by [[Shadow_Pokemon|Abnormal Pokemon]], and since Kanto/Johto/Hoenn never even referenced being attacked by them, that seems to imply that it is an entirely different country in and of itself.).

I mean if you wish, go ahead, but I just want to say that I'm not too sure about that. I mean, if she was explicitly said to have come from france (like the Trainer dex in Pokemon FRLG said about Lt. Surge [I don't count the "Lightning American" thing as evidence that he is American since Some of the Gym Leaders were given similar nicknames even though they really don't have any corollation with each other (Tomboyish Mermaid, Elegant Princess, among others comes to mind [Misty's not a mermaid because she doesn't have a fish tail, she doesn't sit on rocks to comb her hair {her hair is very short, anyways}, and she never really stated that she was a Mermaid or related to them. As for Erika, she never really said that she was related to any royal family.].).].) then, yes, Go on ahead.

But since she never really stated that she was from France (her speaking french doesn't count since 1. she seemed to be faking it since the only time she ACTUALLY spoke french was when you meet up with her, which she drops when she is close to losing, and 2. Even IF she was actually able to speak french, that doesn't mean she is from France. remember, Canada, Jamacia as well as some african countrys speak French as part of their language.), we shouldn't say that she was from France.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

== Regarding the map... ==

The map is veerrryyy wrong! It should be like this: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1206/japanforonceandforeverdz3.png
Or maybe this is clearer: http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4092/japanys0.png
Please people, it's a common made mistake, but it isn't that hard to see, is it?

Zig

== Deoxys reference ==

The "North Pole" doesn't necessarily have to be a reference to a real-world location. Every planet has a north and south pole. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 20:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Antarctica or North Pole? ==

I'm confused. I could have sworn that Deoxys landed in Antarctica, yet this article says it's the North Pole. Could someone clarify? [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|Jirachi]][[User talk:JirachiWishmaker0802|Wishmaker0802]] 10:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:It's possible different tellings of the franchise have different landing spots for Deoxys. For all we know, had [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] reached Hoenn, Deoxys could have crashed in downtown {{wp|Honolulu, Hawaii}} in that telling. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

::You know, I think we should eliminate it from the references section, as the term "North pole" doesn't necessarily hint at Antartica. Besides, Antartica isn't even the North Pole, if anything, it's more the exact opposite term. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

==Could someone update the map?==

Almia should be included, as it's attached to Sinnoh. {{unsigned|LynnCreed}}

no almia's place should not be part of the main map because it is just a side game. almia should be in a "side game's map". Maybe that small part will be part of another generation game! do you have absolute proof from the developers of the game? i think not! plus if there is no mention of the national pokedex, then almia is in a different nation. since the main games are one nation, most likely the geography is influenced by japan, there are no separate nations inside what is similar to japanese land. you cannot be too sure until it is 100% proven. plus almia is just a small area of land similar to most things to the world right now. it can be part of the area of northern africa and mediterranean sea. also the games state that they are far away from the main pokemon games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

== Game Systems ==

Would that be a reference to the real world because they are made in the real world? {{unsigned|Midnight Blue}}

== {{wp|Harlan County, Kentucky}} ==

In my sperpetic,Oreburgh reminds me around my home County, Harlan County , also the mines.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 23:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Your what?--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::Lots of places have mines. He means ''perspective''. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::There's pretty much no chance that a Japanese game is referring to your home county. There are many more notable mining areas, many in Pennsylvania, for example. I'm sure there's even more in Japan that are more likely. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 23:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::True, but then again, the Metal Gear series was a Japanese game (it was made in Japan, and was originally intended to be Japanese exclusive), and yet most of it's locations were anywhere BUT Japan (In fact, the only REAL Japanese references that was in the MG games was Master Miller, Akiba, "Kuwabara, Kuwabara", and the Tsuchinoko from "Snake Eater", which is pretty lacking anyways.). Heck, Sootopolis's geography was inspired by Santorini, Greece. For all we know, Harlan County could have served as a minor inspiration. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::As someone from Bullitt County, Kentucky, I'm going to have to say that such a claim is silly. We have had some form of confirmation on every other consistency. Until TPC comes out and says, "Yeah, it's totally our intention that Oreburgh be based on a county in the eastern part of a state in the US that we have almost assuredly never heard of," it's just very erroneous speculation. PS - Go MSU. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 04:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Map with Almia ==
I've made a map with Almia included. I think it's better to use this one
File:Pokemonworld.png
--Furanty 17:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I think we should keep the almia part blank.It's not even part of the main series obviously. or we could make maps of the main series and the other series separate. spinoff regions does not always relate to the main regions. Almia might be a parallel to india for all we know! plus almia does not look like it is on that part of japan but more on the southern part of sinnoh. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
: Note that the game with Almia mentions that Shinoh is nearby (hence the choice to send the Manaphy egg there). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pepe Toño Macías ==

On latinamerican dub, James' voice actor always names a real world city (mostly latin-american, but some famous world cities are mentioned to) on Team Rocket's Motto, replacing the earlier "y extender nuestro reino hasta las estrellas" with "y extender nuestro reino a [real world city]". Most latin-american capital cities has been named as well as many other important cities like Córdoba (Argentinian seconds), Acapulco or Cancún (Mexican strongest tourist region), Punta del Este (famous uruguayan city), Viña del Mar (Chilean city who host one of the most sponsored music shows on the region), etc.

He is also the main reason to include many differents countries slangs to the whole Team Rocket, mostly mexican ones because of where the dub is translated. {{unsigned|Mephisto}}

== Other Articles? ==

Is there a reason all this information is listed only here, and not on the locations individual pages? Personally I think it is relevant Trivia that, for instance, Mt. Silver is based on Mt. Fuji. [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 05:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:It's listed on some of them, mainly the regions. Sure it's interesting trivia, but we don't want the articles to be made of 100% trivia. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::True, but in some cases wouldn't you say it's relevant? For instance, Ecruteak City is based on Kyoto (not mentioned in Ecruteak's article at the moment), both cities are very old and have a lot of history. Kyoto is famous outside Japan- I'd hazard a guess at it being the second most well known Japanese city. Kyoto's history contributes to Ecruteak's role in the games. Wouldn't you say that's relevant? Violet City being based on Nara is, perhaps, less relevant, and wouldn't be very meaningful to most people using the wiki, so things like that perhaps could be skipped. But I definitely think that at least Mt. Silver/Fuji and Ecruteak/Kyoto are worth mentioning. I want to say something regarding Tokyo too, but the matter seems pretty complicated since there's no single Tokyo analogue.

::Also, just a passing thought, is it worth maybe mentioning the opposite- for places like Pacifidog town- that they are lacking in real world analogue? [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 04:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

==Regarding Hoenn==

Actually, I've done some of my own research into the correlation between Hoenn and its real-life counterpart and would like to argue that Rustboro is a much better candidate to counterpart with Fukuoka than Rustboro. The region (according to wikipedia which is the source I used) is known for its industrial and steel works, which seems pretty analogous to Rustboro's Devon Corp.

Also, Lavaridge matches up to Ōita much better than Fallabour. Ōita is closer to Beppu, the hotspring region. It's possible that whoever said Lavaridge was Aso got the two Hoenn Cities mixed up, because looking at the map of Kyushu, they're the other way around.

Kagoshima could possibly be Lilycove, as it's a bay city with a small round island in the port, which could be analogous to Mt. Pyre.

I'm not sure who wrote up the Hoenn cities part of the article, but I'd definitely argue that they didn't look closely enough at a map of Kyushu or of Hoenn, as some of them match up to other cities much better than the ones listed. Sorry to seem like a jerk, but I've done a LOT of reading online about this and it's too bad the Bulba article isn't better. I'll edit the article eventually, I'd just like a reply here first.
[[User:AutumnRain|AutumnRain]] 18:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:Sure, show us what you got. And I completely agree... Rustboro is a much better candidate than Rustboro ;) You may want to doublecheck that :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==Table Overload==
This page is mostly composed of tables, tables, and ''more'' tables. We need some actual writing in here, as well as images, or else I feel this article doesn't deserve its status as a Featured Article. It's informative, but the way it's presented simply doesn't share that information in a productive way. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 15:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:What else would you have us add? If that's all we have, it's kinda hard to add more. And it doesn't look good as a bunch of bullet points making up a whole page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::This is just an idea, but how about some free use pictures of the real-life landmarks, like {{wp|Kinkaku-ji}} (Brass Tower), {{wp|Ginkaku-ji}} (Tin tower), {{wp|Mount Fuji}} (Mt. Silver), etc.? It would be neat to see, especially if we had them side-by-side with game screenshots (or Midori Harada art? ...or anime screenshots, that would probably be better) of the Pokemon world locations. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::That would work, but we'd have to find all of the real world pictures that would look like the Harada art though. We wouldn't have to have a picture for every location though, so whatever Harada art we have we should try to find something for it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, as I edited in, we could also use anime screenshots instead of restricting ourselves to what few Harada location art there is. For example, we could do...
::::: with {{wp|File:Tokyo_Shinjuku_City_20070317.jpg|this}}
::::...Though of course all city skylines look pretty much the same, so that wouldn't be an ideal example. Just pointing out that we could go with anime art too. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would have real information explaining ''why'' these different regions and cities are counterparts to real-world areas. All of the sections simply say "x is based off x". ''Why'' are they based off those areas? Was it stated in an interview, or is there a mountain of evidence that cannot be swept aside as coincidence? Some reasoning would really help this article, and without it the whole page just seems to lack any real information, which is why I don't feel it should be Featured. I also agree with Umeko's suggestion for side-by-side comparison images, but we should definitely limit them to things that, without a doubt, can be visually-comparable. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::I do hope you saw the {{fan speculation}}
::::::at the top of the page. That is why there isn't that much evidence stated. A lot of the things were put up there, and people agreed on it. That's about how fan speculation pages work. But I do agree, we need something more. Unfortunately, that'll be hard to do, since most of it ''is'' speculation. A lot of it though, is where things are located in Japan and the anime, as seen on that map at the top of the page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Of course I noticed. Despite that (or perhaps even ''because'' of it) more information is needed to support these claims. People like knowing ''why'' things are the way they are, not just that they are. Considering the mantle of "fan speculation" is already applied to this article, then we should feel free to add more of it without worry. Now, there should be standards. There should be no doubt that there are correlations between one thing and another, and no "logical" jumps or rationalizations. The towers have the same appearance, purpose, and general history as real-world counterparts... So that could easily be considered a fact and should be elaborated on a bit. Where Orre is, for example, should have options and reasons for and against each one. This article can definitely be improved, but how is something we need to figure out. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

==Comments==
Should the sections in the various tables marked for comments be for notes on the real-world counterparts, as is currently done, or should we only write comments if there's some similarity other than geography to note between the Pokémon world and real world? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 13:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:These comments do talk about similarities. Pallet is the player's hometown, Vermilion has a large harbor, Celadon and Saffron are big cities, Cinnabar has a volcano... The comments are for links between the Pokémon world and the real world. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::Some of them aren't, like the comment for Dewford Town which only states that the real-world basis used to belong to Korea. (That one, at least, just sounds like Japan-Korea politics) [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 14:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Anyone got a clue where around real world Japan, Oblivia lies?
[[File:Oblivia artwork.png]]
Can't see any islands that look like it or anything O: All the islands are so small...{{unsigned|Saiph charon}}
:Might not be an area of Japan. Spin off game regions don't always relate to the other regions. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Milonda Island appears to be based off of Dogo Island.
Rainbow Island seems to be based off of a combination of Nishino and Nakano Islands.
Drop island appears to be based off of Chiburi Island.
They all are part of the Oki Islands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oki_Islands.png

Sopiana Island is without a doubt based off of Ulleungdo Island. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulleungdo

Thundercloud and Shikulele Island appear to be loosely based off of the Liancourt rocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks

All the islands mentioned are found in the sea of Japan north of Chugoku.--[[User:flamin entei|flamin entei]] 19:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

:'Liancourt' is what the sailors of the French ship Liancourt named the islands in 1849. There is an older and correct name called Dokdo which was derived from Usando, a name used since AD 512 .[[User:Kimichael4317|Kimichael4317]] ([[User talk:Kimichael4317|talk]]) 05:57, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

== I dont think this is one of the best bulbapedia articles ==

Ive seen dozens more "Other applications of real-world locations" in the anime and that needs to be added.--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:So, um, go for it? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah Im getting there lol.Going to take a while to remember and view all of them that I know of.
Im just very surprised Im the first one to put one in that has appeared in the tv anime series.
--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Regice ==

In pokemon Emerald, Regice's pokedex entry mentions Antartic ice. --[[User:Pkmn master|pkmn master]] 11:12, 14 Febuary 2010 (UTC)

== Map of Side Games ==

I know that the side games are more difficult to place, as far as true geographic regions go (if they even exist), but in the article itself, it mentions Orre as "[bearing] striking resemblance to the Gunma Prefecture of Japan in shape, which would place Orre north of Kanto and Johto." I think this is relevant to include on ''a'' map, although it doesn't have to be the one at the top of the page.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 21:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

we should keep a map of the side games separate from the map with the main games. side games are not really canon with the main games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
:The Pokemon Ranger series of games are canon, Colosseum games, as well, however, seeing how that game contained Manaphy, which needed to be downloaded into DP, and the fact that they have direct connectivity to the main games. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Just because they're canon (which is, I believe, debatable) doesn't mean they all correspond to locations in Japan like the others. And if they don't relate to each other, making a map for them's gonna be pretty hard. On a side note, I think the Orre connections are quite a stretch, and there should at least be comparisons between Orre locations and Arizona alongside the comparisons to Japan. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::lets just separate the maps then. the region on where the side game's area is on might be filled in by a later generation's region, the side game's region might not be in japan because they look like most other areas in the real world and the side region is not part of the main games. even though you can get manaphy in pokemon ranger does not mean that that game is canon. it just means that you can get manaphy from that game. Question- how does almia fit next to sinnoh? almia looks nothing like the tail of hokkaido which is sinnoh's real world counterpart. Almia does not look like it is in the south part of sinnoh either. If sinnoh is the pokemon counterpart of hokkaido shouldn't the center of almia be filled with land? {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

::::If they weren't canon, then there wouldn't be any connectivity, period. Absolutely no ties to the main games whatsoever is the very definition of not canon. That, as well as not even being made by the same people, period. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::sorry to give you an example of another franchise but what about the naruto anime? all of it's filler arcs are noncanon and it has something to do with the characters. plus it is made by the same company who does the rest of the anime. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

==Orre Section Revamp==
I'm sorry, but the section on Orre DEFINITELY needs work. so far it has only three locations listed, and those are listed with the presupposition that Orre is in fact based on a region of Japan. I did some research into Arizona and the surrounding area and found some more noticeable parallels.

Phenac City is obviously based on Phoenix, Arizona, for the reasons listed in the article already.

Mt. Battle could be based on Humphreys Peak, the highest point in Arizona. While it's not a volcano like Mt. Battle, neither is the Gunma Prefecture of Japan a desert. That said, Humphreys Peak also lands in the right place relative to other locations.

Pyrite Town could be based on Yuma, Arizona, which formerly housed a large prison facility (which fits in with both the Pyrite Town jail and the high crime rate in that section of Orre).

Agate Village was hard to find, but I eventually settled on the little town of Oatman, Arizona. Oatman lies right along Route 66, and, as with many towns along that route, has seen better days. While it doesn't appear as fertile as Agate Village, I thought the history of this mountain town fit in with the fact that the population of Agate Village is mostly elderly, with the young moving to the cities instead.

In terms of locations from XD, I widened my search to include locations not specifically in Arizona. I placed Gateon Port at the well-known city of San Diego, California.

Citadark Isle seems to correspond with Isla Guadelupe, a volcanic island off the coast of Baja California.

I don't know how this should be incorporated into the article, but I do believe at least some of this information needs to go there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, Gunma Prefecture isn't a desert, but then again, Floaroma Town isn't a flowerfield in real life, it is a desert. Anyways, I also don't recall Arizona being so barren that animals are even scarcer than water (which in Orre, apparently Pokémon actually are that scarce, at least in Colosseum.). I do doubt that it's near the Gunma Prefecture, but I also doubt that its supposed to be Arizona. Also, even going beyond Arizona, most of the locations don't match up. Citadark Island is on the opposite side of the real life location. Not to mention that San Diego isn't anywhere near that location. Maybe the old Colosseum map might have been based off of Arizona, but going by XD, it's not based off of Arizona or even the Southwestern United States/Mexican area, for that matter. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

::My bad about XD locations; I don't have the game, so it's hard to verify where they go (especially based on the few low quality Orre maps you can find). But nonetheless, the Orre section needs to change or be removed. The similarities listed are a real stretch (Outskirt Stand based on an archaeological site? I doubt it.), and besides, I thought Fiore's section was removed because it was a side game location. Should the same be done for Orre, perhaps with Phenac City moved to the section on non-Japanese influences? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

:: there are no major deserts in japan (if you count the tottori sand dunes then yes but they are in the south of japan). if the fiore section is removed because it was a side game then we should remove orre. plus the state of arizona is not bordered by an ocean or something large like that water area near gateon port {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

:::...What about the Gulf of California? It doesn't have to be shaped EXACTLY like the state, it can also include nearby regions. [[User:Taknamay|Taknamay]] 14:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::::Made a comparison pic to demonstrate Taknamay's point http://i.imgur.com/57Wlq9J.png.
::::That terrain matches almost exactly. And they said Phoenix, Arizona was the inspiration, so seems like a pretty open and shut case to me. Since some of the other regions like Almia have a comparison image, we could use that one. Unfortunately I can't upload images yet so someone else would have to do it --[[User:Foxsong|Foxsong]] ([[User talk:Foxsong|talk]]) 05:46, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

==New Image==
I like how it's been aligned so the regions look more like they do in the games, but technically Hoenn's box should be a lot bigger. That southwestern island chain includes such places as Naha (the inspiration for Ever Grande City), Yonaguni (the inspiration for the Sealed Chamber), and Yaebishi (the inspiration for Mirage Island). In other words, Game Freak curled that island chain around to compress the region into a smaller space, likely for gameplay reasons. Also, it would tickle me pink for the map to include the Sevii Islands, although that might be trickier. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:sorry i couldn't find a good map like the one i had with yonaguni, yaebishi the kuril islands and sakhalin. the colors are for the third games in the generation they were first seen in (in Japan). for johto i made it into suicune's thing on it's head. the sevii islands are red for fire red. if you want me to change the colors or fix anything, please ask. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
::First of all, you should sign your comments with four tildes (~). But in regards to the map, it's wonderful! I'm not too enthralled with the color selection (a bit dull; I would have gone with green for Kanto, yellow for Johto, red for Hoenn, and purple for Sinnoh, as is used in the new HGSS Pokédex guide) but with the level of inclusion contained within this map I'm willing to let that pass. Great job! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:13, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia uses distinct color templates, such as {{template|kanto color}}, for regional coloring. If an official guide uses other colors though... maybe we should look at changing them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::ok i'll change them[[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 03:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::No, you won't. For one thing, the templates /should/ be protected. For another, changes of this nature need to go through the Editorial Board. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
but i created the original image. it says in the file history [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 23:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:And? Doesn't mean anything about the templates. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::then what should i do? should i delete the map? [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 04:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==Ecruteak Dance Theater==
A rocket grunt mentions hula dancing...reference to Hawaii possibly? He tells this to the Kimono Girl --User:xaigon_paladin 1:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah. Because it was made by the Hawaiians (technically settlers from Polynesia or something). Adding. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu's Location ==

Isshu has been said to be far away from the other regions, and screenshots of Black and White show various landmarks similar to what are found in San Francisco (Such as the Golden Gate Bridge). I feel this should be mentioned. {{unsigned|Tveye}}
:I've heard New York and I've heard Hong Kong. Let's leave it at "some place really far away that might not be Japan" until the games are released and we can make more informed choices. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== propaganda. ==
Tsushima was an island of Korea before 1945; the old name is ''Daemado''.

Tsushima doesn't belong to Korea before 1945. Bulbapedia becomes the place of dispatch of propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think it can be chalked up to being an honest mistake. All you had to do was remove it, there was no need to come here and accuse us of spreading propaganda. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 09:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I am terribly disappointed. It is to not only the guess but also malignant propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Calm down, dude. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:We don't need any nationalist crap here. Correct the mistake yourself or politely point it out.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

He is still doing propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Numbers Stations ==

Do you guys think that we should include in the Ruins of Alph location info that the "Mysterious Transmission" is based on the real world's "Numbers Stations"? These short wave radios are used by spies. http://www.archive.org/details/ird059 --[[User:Kambash|Kambash]] 20:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon world(Original Japanese version) in relation to the real world. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ponyta_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
The change in Pokedex entry is interesting. The explanation of Tokyo Tower exists in a Japanese version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

このわざをみんなはだいもんじやきとよんでいるがそりゃまちがいだ！ほんばきょうとではだいもんじとかおくりびと　よんでいるのだ！

[[Blaine]] refers {{wp|kyoto}}(Japanese city) in Generation III. It is convinced that it is erased in the non-Japanese version because it is not described in BULBAPEDIA. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 05:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== some edits ==

As we are following Revised Hepburn as a standard for romanizations in listing the locations, "Oshima" (under Sevii Islands, Knot Island, prefecture) should be spelled "Ōshima", "Nakoudojima" (under Sevii Islands, Memorial Pillar, specific location) should be "Nakōdojima", and "Meiji no Mori Minoo" (under Johto, National Park, specific location) should be "Meiji no Mori Minō".

There is also "Chubu" (right under Johto) in stead of "Chūbu", "Honshu" (right under Hoenn) in stead of "Honshū", and "Hokkaido" (right under Sinnoh) in stead of "Hokkaidō", as well as a lot of other non-Hepburn romanizations in the comment section (Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto, Oshima, Hokkaido, etc.) alongside the Hepburn ones (Kantō, Tōkaidō, Kyūshū, Hōryū-ji, etc.). I guess non-Hepburn is acceptable, as it is standard in everyday English use (mainly important cities like Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto), but I think it would probably be better to choose either one.

'''Japanese Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Chichijima (Sevii Islands, Fortune Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%88%B6%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Hahajima (Sevii Islands, Quest Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AF%8D%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Yaebishi (Hoenn, Mirage Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%AB%E9%87%8D%E5%B9%B2%E7%80%AC

'''English Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Meiji no Mori Minō Quasi-National Park (Johto, National Park): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_no_Mori_Min%C5%8D_Quasi-National_Park

Cape Nosappu (Sinnoh, Vista Lighthouse): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Nosappu

If you are still reading this, thank you for hearing me out. --[[User:Spenvdm|Spenvdm]] 12:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== The motif of Isshu is New York. ==

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html
"Junichi Masuda" is insisted on that the motif of Isshu is New York. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== "Go West Young Meowth" refereence? ==

He was in California in the [[EP070|episode]]. {{unsigned|444Zekrom}}
:That's already noted in the episode. Besides, it really wouldn't be possible for them to travel from the Kanto Region to Hollywood, California with a van, and absolutely no reference to a plane in sight (since it was heavily implied that they took a van to get there.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 09:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== How are these real world locations? ==

"In A Bite to Remember, Jessie says that Albert Einstein created the light bulb. Max corrects her, saying that Thomas Edison was the creator."

"A Rocket Grunt mentions the hula dance to a Kimono Girl while in the Ecruteak dance theater"

Ive never heard of any locations named :Albert Einstein,Thomas Edison, kimono or hula.
It seems the person who added this seems to be mistaken with pokemon in relation to real world things.
I thought this was meant to include reference to PLACES!--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 08:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:The article isn't limited to locations, but those points were in the wrong section. I created a new section for people and cultures. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
::The hula dance point disappeared. And I'm leaving for school now, so I can't do it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Side regions ==

The section is blank! Hardly fitting of a featured article. I propose noting Almia (covered above a few times) and Orre (expliclty confirmed, see the citation in the [[Orre]] article. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu ==
Not wanting to add more information as there have been issues about its origin on other pages (no pun intended). However, I would like to point out that the note about Hiun City should be in the comments column, not shoved into the specific location column like it currently is. Could an admin fix that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu seems not to exist in North American continent. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Isshu#New_Map_of_isshu.
The game freak seems to have created the continent of fictitious. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Anime=/=Games--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 19:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

The United Tower is based in United States Headquarters in New York --[[User:Angelical Master Aqua|Angelical Master Aqua]] 22:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Do you have anything to back that up, or is it just baseless speculation? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==Capitilization error in title==

One would think that a featured article would have correct capitilization in the title. In the title the letters begin with lowercase letters when they should be uppercase. This is a basic rule of writing. I suggest this to be moved to so that the title is properly capitilized. If no one responds otherwise I'll move it to a correctly capitilized page. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:I guess sence no one responded it's okay to move? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
::Okay I'm moving the article to '''Pokémon World In Relation To The Real World.''' Any objections please let me know withen five minutes. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Not only is it not acceptable to move something just because someone hasn't "answered", it also looks very retarded. Unless it's something very specific, it Does Not Get Written Like This Because It Looks Wrong. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Besides, I also think you were acting too hasty anyway, you could have contacted one of the administrators first since it would have been easier to avoid making a simple mistake like this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Well I'm sorry I thought that since no one had anwsered that it was okay. I posted three times and someone could have said something instead of ignoring my comments. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::No, your method of doing this was completely inappropriate. You don't tell people to respond within 5 minutes. You wait until at least one person responds. That's the whole point of a discussion. You can't have a discussion with yourself. I can't speak for the rest, but I can't sit around here all day watching all the talk pages. I had only noticed this discussion here after I realized what was done. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Well I sencerly apologize for the way I handled the situation and I will not do it again in the future. I just want to help edit and I'm sorry if I made more work for you on here. I don't want to look "retarded" again. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Don't worry about it. Also, I didn't call you retarded, I know my choice of words there was inappropriate but that wasn't directed at you. I apologize if I offended you. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::It's okay you are just doing your job as admin. Thank you for letting me know about my mistake. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

==Anyone think this is important??==
as no one replied to my comment before, I'm putting it again here. I'm almost 100% sure that it's a parallel world! Should we put this in the article as a possibility?--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 09:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'll put it in now. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 16:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::What are you talking about? Are you saying the Pokémon World is a parallel to our world... ? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 18:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 13:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't say it's a parallel to our world, just yet. Have we seen a region based on any part of Africa, Australia, Europe, South America? No. So, it's not parallel enough. I would say the Pokemon world is based on our world. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they aren't there! --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 17:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Official source. Inspiration origin of Unova. ==

Sootopolis City 屋久島 Yakushima 鹿児島県 Kagoshima
The landscape of Sootopolis City is based on Santorini, Greece.

There is such a description. I similarly reflect an official source.

* Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from {{wp|Brooklyn Bridge}} and {{wp|Rainbow Bridge (Tokyo)|Rainbow Bridge}}.
* Tubeline Bridge draws inspiration from the {{wp|Forth Bridge}}.
* Village Bridge draws inspiration from the old Italian bridge.
* Entralink draws inspiration from the {{wp|Tokyo Imperial Palace}}.

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Fiore ==

My proposal: Fiore could be the northern part of the Shimokita Peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimokita_Peninsula)

* Rural.
* Closest to Sinnoh (Hokkaido).
* The geography fits very well.

[[User:KameXros|KameXros]] 17:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

== Real-world locations mentioned in the Anime: from dub or original? ==

It seems to me that some of the real-world locations mentioned in the Anime would clearly only be from the Dub. I think it's important to note this in the article somehow. [[User:Chaosakita|Chaosakita]] 07:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

== Hoenn ==

Having lived in Kyushu for about a year, I have gone around and visited some of the approximate locations that correlate with Hoenn. It would seem that the Kurokawa onsen town is correct for Lavaridge. It's southwest, at the base of Mt. Chimney, as Kurokawa Onsen is northwest in Kyushu.

Beppu seems to be the best match for Fallarbor town. The whole town is rife with geothermal activity with steam rising up all over the urban area. While it has hot springs like Aso town, there are also other forms of geothermal activity such as steam vents. Which I would assume the crater in Fallarbor is supposed to represent.

In terms of Meteor Falls, it appears that it isn't just one source of inspiration, but many. Oita prefecture is famous for both waterfalls and limestone caves. As inspiration for the cave setting, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Furen Cave. [http://www.furenshonyudo.jp/] So it would seem that Meteor Falls is a combination of both the waterfalls and limestone caves found in the Oita prefecture.

On a final note, it looks like Sootopolis City is shaped more like Yakushima Island. Ever Grande city is currently compared to Yakushima, but it seems inaccurate. As Yakushima is circular, and closer in relation to Sootopolis than Iwojima. Ever Grande city is shaped more like Okinawa Island when comparing the two. Just my two cents on what might need correction in the Hoenn section. And I'd be happy to know what everyone else thinks. ([[User:MauvilleGrovyle|MauvilleGrovyle]] ([[User talk:MauvilleGrovyle|talk]]) 02:25, 13 July 2012 (UTC))

== Fortree City: Kobayashi City, Miyazaki Prefecture? ==

Just flipping through Wikipedia and apparently there's an legend in the town involving the Suki Suspension Bridge, and since Fortree is big into their bridges, could be a match? If nobody has any significant objections I'll add it in. [[User:Rinne|Rinne]] ([[User talk:Rinne|talk]]) 16:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

== A Pokémon Center in Pokémon BW/B2W2 ==

In the Pokémon Black/White/Black2/White2 game, a [[:wikipedia:globe|globe]] is located on the second floor of any [[Pokémon Center]]s, it shows the real world, not the Pokemon world.

-- [[User:Love Krittaya|Love Krittaya]] ([[User talk:Love Krittaya|talk]]) 19:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's the Geonet, and it appears in DPPtHGSS too in the GTS/Global Terminal. It's necessary that it is the real world as it allows player's to specify their home country (and state/province) for international communication purposes. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI ==

At what point is it a good idea to add details here about Kalos/France and Lumiose City/Paris? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 03:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

==Cerulean City RL Counterpart==
In the table featured within the article, Cerulean City is said to be based on the real world Saitama City, Saitama Prefecture, Japan. Saitama City was not officially a city until 2001, several years after the 1st generation games. Cerulean was a city before Saitama existed as a city.

While you could then say that Cerulean was based on what was to become Saitama City, the geographical locations don't match either. With Maebashi and Mt Akagi (Pewter and Mt Moon) being way up in Gunma Prefecture, the scale of the map is huge. As Cerulean is much further East, but no further South, to put it down in Saitama Prefecture at all seems like a gross misplacement. The real-world counterpart would be much further East.

This makes me think it's actually a city called Tsuchiura, in Ibaraki prefecture.

Aside from this being a far more likely and accurate geographical correlation, Tsuchiura has many other points of relevance for Cerulean. Tsuchiura is famous for its massive abundance of lotus root; these plants grow and bloom in man-made lagoons - they are floating blooms. Cerulean is also mentioned as a "seaside" city, despite not being quite as far East as the sea; Tsuchiura sits right next to lake Kasumigaura, the second biggest lake in Japan, and has a seaside feel as a result, despite, as with Cerulean, not being quite as far East as the actual sea. The area that joins onto Tsuchiura, to the North East, is called Kasumigaura, possibly the inspiration for the gym leader (Kasumi) Misty. Misty's gym is located towards the bottom of Cerulean City, and Tsuchiura also has a huge gymnasium, including a complex of swimming pools and water park type features, which is located towards the bottom of the city. There are a couple of rivers that run through Tsuchiura, the largest being the river Sakura. The trainer bridge could also potentially correspond to the bridge that links Kasumigaura with Kasumigaura Fureai Land, although this is a little more speculative.

I'm aware that I could be wrong, but a great many things do seem to fit, or show a heavy similarity of being a match of some kind. Feel free to agree or disagree, but let me know what your reasons are for doing so. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 11:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

:Welcome to Bulbapedia! As for Cerulean, you seem to have done your homework. I agree with you to change Saitama to Tsuchiura. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 15:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

::Thanks. I sort of missed my point when I mentioned the Sakura river. "Sakuragawa" means "river of bloom" which isn't a huge leap from "water of flower" - similar to the unofficial but generally accepted name for the sisters at Cerulean gym in the animé. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 00:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

==Kalos Region==
I thought I'd submit some Kalos region counterparts for consideration. I haven't found a lot; just a few leads. The first is the most obvious: Lumiose City clearly corresponds to Paris. Others are less clear. I think the Tower of Mastery corresponds to Mont Saint-Michel, and Geosenge Town and the stones around it probably correspond to the Carnac Stones, or a similar site of standing stones. If anyone wants to add these or has better ideas of what these locations correspond to, feel free to add them to the page. I'm still easing back into the editing groove, so I don't feel up to adding them myself yet. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

Sakhalin is not disputed between Russia and Japan, how Sinnoh section of this article says. (Only Southern Kuril islands, including Kunashir are currently claimed by Japan).
Southern Sakhalin belonged to Japan before WWII, but now it is recognized part of Russia. [[User:Ruxax|Ruxax]] ([[User talk:Ruxax|talk]]) 23:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==
I think I may have some suggestions for what some of locations of the Kalos Region is based on.

Vaniville Town: Moulins or Nevers;

Aquacorde Town: Nevers, Bourges, or Auxere;

Santalune City: Fontainbleau or Auxere;

Camphrier Town: Orleans or Tours;

Cyllage City: St. Nazerre or Guérande;

[[User:UsagiNeko|UsagiNeko]] ([[User talk:UsagiNeko|talk]]) 04:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

== Battle Maison / Château de Chenonceau real world equivalent addition ==

I know that this article has a lot of fan speculation but I've gone ahead and added a real-world equivalent to the Battle Maison in X and Y as Château de Chenonceau. I was surprised that nobody so far has noticed the parallel between the two since the similarity is striking. Their layout as a bridge-castle is very similar and the visual style is so as well. They are also both in the same equivalent location (the Loire Valley, famous for its castles), west of Lumiose/Paris and close to Camphrier Town/Blois.{{unsigned|Almsivi}}

== Featured article disqualification ==

I have noticed that this article doesn't meet the criteria to be a featured article and I think that this should go to the candidates for removal of featured article. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 12:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
:The featured article is no long something we use. Articles that are already featured will remain featured, and no new articles will become featured. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

== Moon landing ==

In the Generation I games (and presumably the remakes as well), a woman in the Pewter museum refers to the first "lunar landing" (Apollo 11) and says that it took place on July 20,1969. Should this be added to the article? [[User:RS89|RS89]] ([[User talk:RS89|talk]]) 12:25, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:Well, since we know that this event ''really'' took place that time, then I think it should be added. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 16:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

== Floaroma Town ==

Why isn't Floaroma Town included in the Sinnoh section? It should be located just under Oreburgh Mine, however I'm still looking for it's location on Hokkaido. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:46, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I was looking at Google Earth, and the rough location would be the city of Ishikari, however, that is just what it is, a location. Is it possible that Valley Windworks should actually be listed as Floaroma Town because Tomamea is a town as well? [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Battle Zone ==

If possible, shouldn't the Battle Zone be a little more specific? i.e. Fight, Survival, Resort Area, Stark Mountain, etc. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 01:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Fukuoka is Biggest city in Kyushu, ==

BUT PETALBURG ISN'T BIGGEST CITY IN HOENN!!!!! NOT BASED ON FUKUOKA!!!!!--[[user:youngster|たんぱんこぞう]] [[user_talk:youngster|ｺﾞﾛｳ]] 01:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Location Inspiration ==

I don't know why, but for some reason, I think that the city the 18th movie takes place in is based on Chicago, mostly because the skyscraper on the left side of the poster looks a lot like Trump Tower, which is in the city. It just seems like a really good possibility that this city is based on Chicago. {{Unsigned|Harmonmj13}}

== Sea Spirit's Den ==

I wanted some agreement on this before I changed it, but I think Sea Spirit's Den is actually based on {{wp|Alderney}} and not {{wp|Jersey}}. If you compare a map of the [http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/channel-islands/map_of_channel-islands.jpg Channel Islands ] and [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8a/Kalos_alt.png Kalos] I think you will see that the 2 bigger green ones are Jersey and Guernsey, the little one is Sark and Sea Spirit's Den is Alderney. It is probably worth noting that historically the islands were part of Normandy (Northern France).

Another thing, it says that Jersey is part of the UK, this isn't correct. Jersey (and the other channel islands) have a complex relationship with the UK but they do not form part of it. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_dependencies This page] has more info on this. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 09:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

More specificly shouldn't Resort area be {{wp|Korsakovsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}}, Fight area and Survival Area in {{wp|Anivsky District}}, {{wp|Nevelsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}} or something more specific then just Sakhalin? {{unsigned|Raltseye}}

== edit war ==

You may have noticed the edit war between myself and Ratchet and Clank 1995, he/she is wrong. {{wp|British Islands}} is a legal term that unambiguously refers to the UK, Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey (the latter two are collectively the Channel Islands), as the wiki article says. He/she is right that the Channel Islands are not part of Great Britain/UK, which is why I changed it from UK to British Islands in the first place. (Originally he said he changed it because they were not part of the {{wp|British Isles}}, he/she may be right geographically but the term british isles is often used to include the channel islands)

While they are not technically part of the UK, Channel Islands are still 'British'. The inhabitants are entitled to a British passport, the queen is head of state, and the UK has responsibility for the defence and international representation of the islands. This is note worthy because they are the only non-French part of Kalos (although historically the islands were part of Normandy - Northern France). However, due to complicated reasons, it is incorrect to say they are part of the UK. 'British Islands' may be an unusual term, but it is correct and conveys that they are British without getting into complicated politics. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:Well then to be more specific they are [[wp:Crown dependencies]] officialy. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 15:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we should use the term Crown dependencies as the user Raltseye mentioned above but I'm not going to change it anymore. I have .[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:37, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

:I'm not sure about using the term 'Crown Dependences', it's a little obscure, I feel as if we would have to explain what it means and that would make us go off topic. There are pros and cons to using either 'British Isles' or 'British Islands', but I don't care anymore let's just leave it as British Isles [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

== Snowbelle ==

Likening Snowbelle City to Grenoble seems pretty unlikely as Grenoble is further south than Lyon, which is commonly accepted to be Kiloude City. It seems a lot more likely that Snowbelle is supposed to be Besançon or one of the surrounding cities such as Montbéliard, Dole or Lons-Le-Saunier, considering the region is known for cross-country skiing in the Jura mountains as well as freezing weather in the winter (the region of Jura is sometimes affectionately called "Little Siberia"). The general location fits, as well. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 17:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:I was the person to link Kiloude City to Lyon and I still believe this to be correct, one reason why I linked it was the fact that Lyon is just slightly North of the Gironde estuary which its Pokémon counterpart can be seen on the Kalos map so they seem to match. You have made a valid point that Grenoble is too far south so I agree with you and that Snowbelle cannot possibly be based on Grenoble's location. I would say go ahead and change Grenoble to Besançon as it does seem to fit and the fact that it's called "Little Siberia" could go in the notes section as it actually seems relevant.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::I edited it. Further reading for reference : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extreme_temperatures_in_France , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouthe . To be fair, Snowbelle itself doesn't resemble Besançon much, but as it's the largest city in Franche-Comté and the capital of the infamously cold Doubs department, it seems fair. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 14:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

== Kenya ==

I'm tired of seeing all of you edit warring over something so small without anyone bothering to open a discussion, so instead I'm starting a discussion on it. Personally, I don't see the problem with adding something on the end along the lines of "Kenya is also the name of a mountain in the country of Kenya, Mount Kenya, from which the country derives its name." I don't think it would hurt to add a small line on like that, especially considering that it is in fact where the name originates. Yes, the Spearow is probably named after the country, but the country itself is named after the mountain. '''[[User:Slimey01|slimey]][[User talk:Slimey01|01]]''' 13:32, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
:There was a discussion, on my talk page, where I clearly said that the country is the most likely reference. The mountain is irrelevant in this case since it's not something one would immediately think of. I've already made it clear, but Ratchet is just being stubborn.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
::To point out even more, 4 users total were involved in the discussion, with 3 of the 4 agreeing that the country is the first (if not only) thing most people would think of. As Force Fire said, these wars are the result of one person with the strong belief that their opinion outweighs the majority of other opinions expressed, which at this point I will no longer be dealing with reverting, leaving it for staff members to deal with. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:08, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I would however think of the mountain and so would a lot of other people. Kenya is also a name that has been used in the USA since the 1960s so the Spearow could just have the name Kenya. There is one issue with that point which is the other points actually say a location this Spearow just happens to have the name Kenya which doesn't mention the location, the only way it could would be if the guard said that he named it after the country and that would be the mention not the name itself.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
::::You wouldn't be saying that if you didn't know that the mountain existed or there are people named Kenya. You're only using that because you've just looked that up and are trying to justify yourself. I didn't know about the mountain or people named Kenya, but now that I do know, I still think the country is the first thing that comes to mind. No common person is going to know either the mountain or people named Kenya, because the country is much more significant than the two. I've already told you to let this go, and you are clearly not listening. This discussion is close and the decision is final.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:17, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::What, I knew about the mountain way before this, in school my class did a project about Kenya in 2006 so myself and everyone who was in the same class knows about Mount Kenya. Every Kenyan probably knows about the mountain and the fact that their country is named after it. You said that no one would know about the name Kenya, people who know people called Kenya would know about it being used as a name. It's just a guess that it is named after Kenya as no other information is provided and as a result my decision is final and the whole point stays off.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 00:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::And per usual, you completely missed what I said. I said no '''common''' person is going to know the mountain or people named Kenya, of course people living in Kenya (and geographers, for that matter) are going to know the mountain. But everyone else, no... just no. You are in no position to say what the final decision is, I've already said no but you're clearly not listening.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:52, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Thinking about it, after all of this discussion you have only been able to say it is "most likely the country" and haven't provided any evidence to say that it actually certainly does mention the country. As there is no certain way of knowing whether it actually mentions the country it should be left out because the Spearow just has a nickname which has been a name in the USA since the 1960s whereas all of the other points has a character actually say a place. By this logic of "most likely" couldn't we say Ash's Charizard is most likely male because of its relationship with Charla and the fact that homosexual and bisexual Pokémon have not been confirmed to exist in the anime. If we go by that logic Charizard's page should just say it's male. Ask random Pokémon fans what gender they think Charizard is and they probably all think male. This site seems to have it both ways in the case of genders it has to be explicitly stated whereas in this instance it doesn't it's just a name the guard didn't say that he named it after the country. I really don't see any difference but you admins have it both ways when it suits you,

:::::::'''HYPOCRISY!!!!!'''[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Using your logic, ask any random joe about what they think of when they hear "Kenya", they'll tell you the country. You have been told to drop this by not only me, but by Kogoro as well. So for the last time, drop it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
(resetting indent)You didn't even argue against my point about the fact that you are only using "most likely" the country. In your argument about Pangoro's slash you made it very clear that assumptions should not be made yet you are doing exactly that on this article. As I mentioned Ash's Charizard is most likely male and it's page doesn't state male so why when there is no explicit information stating that the country is mentioned is this allowed but in order for a Pokémon's gender to be confirmed it must be explicitly stated. Why don't you drop it and just allow the point to be removed because it doesn't add much to the page and it doesn't actually mention it as it's only a name that has been used since the 1960s so they could have just called it Kenya.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

== Anville Town ==

I noticed under the Unova section nobody put the equivalent to Anville Town. There's nothing much to actually do in Anville, but I believe there still has to be a real-life counterpart to it. I was speaking with my mother about this, and she grew up in Queens so she knows New York and Northern New Jersey like the back of her hand. I grew up in Bergen County, so I know a bit about it too. I asked her exactly what Anville Town would be based off of based upon its location, and we came to the conclusion that it is the equivalent to Morristown, NJ. Morristown is known for its train station and one of its stops transits right into the 59th Street's station (which is what Nimbasa is based off of).
Yay or nay? {{unsigned|MeruNoUta}}

== Spear Pillar ==

Mt. Asahi is the highest peak in Hokkaido, as Spear Pillar is the highest peak in Sinnoh. Mt. Asahi's location relative to the rest of Hokkaido is also close to Spear Pillar's location relative to the rest of Sinnoh. Can I say that Spear Pillar was based on Mt. Asahi? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:This is a change I was going to suggest as well. Based on Mt. Coronet's layout as you near the peak and what you can see of the surrounding terrain, Mt. Asahi looks to be a very close match to Spear Pillar. It's also in the correct geographical position, and it works uncannily well in locating the Sinjoh Ruins (or at least where ''I'' think they are). [[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 06:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

== Decolore Islands ==

I noticed that the region hasn't been added yet, along with the Orange Islands. As a resident of Connecticut, I believe the the Decolore Islands are most likely based on the Thimble Islands. They are located close to New York, the area Unova itself is based on. Additionally, many of the Decolore Islands are not populated and instead used as nature preserves, similar to the major university-owned Thimble Islands used for ecological studies. However, a few islands in the Thimbles are built up considerable, such as Money Island. This is similar to the Unnamed Island in BW138. [[User:Manqoba|Manqoba]] ([[User talk:Manqoba|talk]]) 15:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:With all due respect, I think your perception of likelihood may be influenced by home-state bias. Looking at a map, the Thimble Islands hug Connecticut ''very'' closely, far from the border with New York, and ''very'' far from any part of New York that Unova is based on. I think this is a case of confirmation bias, sorry. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Assuming that Oblivia is in fact based on the Oki Island, here is what I believe to be the relation:
*Dolce Island is Chibu
*Renbow Island and Mitonga Island form the two halves of Nishinoshima
*Sophian Island is Okinoshima (transposed a bit)
But Faldera, Layuda and Tilikule have no real-world counterpart. [[User:Ifni400|Ifni400]] ([[User talk:Ifni400|talk]]) 23:51, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Images and Mystery Dungeon ==

I have two questions, 1. Why is it that only the three latest regions have a compairing image to the corresponding real world location? Also both Unova's and Kalos' as well as Almia's image all have the real world location above it while Alola's is located beneeth. Why? 2. Isn't the Mystery Dungeon world based on somewhere in the world or is it just made out of the air so to speak. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 11:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Blackthorn City, Dragon's Den and Ice Path ==

Northeastern Johto is not an easy area to pin down, but I think I've found something that accurately depicts the Blackthorn area. I can tell people have already made a significant effort to locate these places, so I don't want to make any changes to their contributions without talking about them first.

First off, I don't think there's much significance between Clair's Japanese name, Ibuki, and the suggested Dragon's Den, Mt. Ibuki. Ibuki means "breath", and is often associated with a strong will, impulsive behavior and over-sensitivity; this seems to fit Clair pretty well. In GSC, the TM she awards you with is Dragonbreath, or Ryu-no-ibuki in the JP version, another possible origin of her name. I'm sorry, but I'm really starting to doubt her name was inspired by the mountain believed to have the had the world's heaviest snowfall in recorded history, so I don't think there's much supporting that mountain as the location of Dragon's Den. However, given the mountain's close proximity to "Mahogany" and "Lake of Rage" and its own icy history, I think it's a strong candidate for the entrance to Ice Path.

The next thing I want to critique is the Blackthorn-Shirakawa theory. The main thing that made me look into this is that Shirakawa is significantly far away from where you'd expect to find it relative to the other locations we've found, and unlike the the questionable relationship between Cherrygrove/Violet, Shirakawa is also very far away from every other location we've found (it's the most isolated location in all of real-world Johto/Kanto to date). Additionally, Shirakawa is famous for its nearly-uniform gasshō-zukuri, but these designs aren't reflected in Blackthorn's new buildings even though Violet and Ecruteak received makeovers that match Nara and Kyoto.

Okay, now for my suggestions. I think Blackthorn is Kai/Kofu, Yamanashi; Ice Path (exit) is the oft-hypothesized Narusawa Ice Cave, Yamanashi; and Dragon's Den is Kanazakura-jinja Shrine, Yamanashi.

My first lead came when I saw a "Did You Know" on the Smash Bros series; during development the first game was called "Dragon King: Fighting Game" and featured a striking picture of a low-rise neighborhood with Mt Fuji (Mt Silver) in the background. The video claimed the game's name came from that neighborhood, which just so happened to be where HAL Laboratory was located, and that the picture was taken by a certain programmer I'll name later. This all piqued my interest, so I started digging. The town's name was Ryūō, with a population around 40,000 (right on the low end of other towns believed to inspire other towns up to this point), and it was merged with several other towns into Kai in 2004 (after the release of GSC). Geographically, it's a strong match for Blackthorn, surrounded by mountains and with Fuji standing prominently to its Southeast; the biggest issue is that it's tightly clustered with a number of significant cities. Then I zoomed out, and I realized the broader Kofu basin is a very close match to the birds-eye view shape of Blackthorn (use Earth mode to make this more apparent). According to legend, the Kofu basin used to be a lake until Kami pushed on of the mountains aside and the lake drained to the south; this southerly river-valley is clearly visible from a map and could explain the river in Blackthorn and Route 45 in HGSS.

Okay, so Dragon's Den. Kanazakura-jinja Shrine is just north of Kai, it prominently features a pair of dragons, the "rising and falling dragons", and one carries a fire crystal and the other a water crystal. The translations from their website are a little wonky, but it sounds like these dragons symbolize the reconstruction of the main shrine after it collapsed in a 1953 fire (there's also some visible damage to the Den in HGSS), with the dragons drawing attention to fire above and water below. Rising and falling dragons, fire above/water below... I think this symbolism is an interesting parallel to Dragon's Den and the lava-filled Gym located directly above it, and what was the name of that Gym's badge? Rising. Also, the Shrine wasn't all that burned; most of the Kofu basin was destroyed in a night-time air raid in 1945. Combined, these fires may have inspired Blackthorn's name, Fusube, or black smoke.

Anyone who's still reading has probably already encountered the idea that Narusawa Ice Cave corresponds to Ice Path, so I'll just say Kai/Kofu is sandwiched neatly between the Cave and the Shrine. Also, an Ibuki/Naursawa fused Ice Path may serve as a "portal" of sorts to cover the long distance between Koka/Mahogany and Kai.

Finally, earlier I mentioned HAL's R&D center in Kai and a certain programmer. We know that GameFreak has a habit of featuring themselves in the Pokemon games, but what about guest programmers? Well, HAL may not have worked on GSC directly, but their then-president did! Satoru Iwata famously helped development along through graphical compression (he's directly attributed with freeing up enough space on the cartridges to add the Kanto region to the games), so where might he be in Blackthorn? The Move Deleter, of course! Iwata freed up space on the carts, the MD frees up space on your Pokemon; considering everything else, I find this to be more than mere coincidence.

Any one of these location changes might not be very persuasive on their own, but I think they're pretty compelling when taken altogether. What do you guys think about these possible changes in our listed locations?[[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 07:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

== Lake Valor ==

The article currently says that Lake Valor is based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Kussharo Lake Kussharo], which is closer to Abashiri (Veilstone) than Kushiro (Pastoria). However, I think the lake might be based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Akan Lake Akan]. Although Lake Akan is much smaller and doesn't have the same shape (round with an island in the middle), its location corresponds to Lake Valor's location much better than Lake Kussharo, and there is a small resort village on its southern shore.

[[User:ILoveArceus|ILoveArceus]] ([[User talk:ILoveArceus|talk]]) 21:33, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

== Kahoolawe??? ==

How is [[Exeggutor Island]] based off of Kahoolawe? Kahoolawe is southwest of Maui (& is in Maui County), which is what Akala is based off of, not Kauai. {{User|BoygeyMario}}
:Geographically, Exeggutor Island is Niihau, but if you read the notes, it says that it is uninhabited by humans like Kahoolawe.[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 19:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Azoth Kingdom and England or Italy ==

In the design of the Azoth Kingdom, there are elements that refer to the industrial revolution and Steampunk design, if we take into account that Volcanion is based in part on a steam engine, which was created in England, it would be possible for the Azoth Kingdom it was near north north of Kalos or in England itself.

But if we take into account that Nikola is based on Da Vinci, the kingdom could be on the border between Kalos and some equivalent to Italy in the Pokemon World.

¿What do you think?

[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 9:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
:It seems to me that going by anything other than the architecture itself would be too speculative. Many (dare I say most?) places in the Pokemon world include elements/characters based on things from other places than what the location itself was based on. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

::I said it because Magearna and Volcanion are based on the industrial revolution. [[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 11:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Galar Region ==

So the Galar Region has just been announced for Pokemon Sword and Shield, and I know there were rumours before the announcement that it would be based off of the UK, so as a Briton myself, I've tried to verify that/match the locations. The industrial and farming focus definitely suits the UK, and I can see a structure that looks like the Palace of Westminster in the Icy Northern City, suggesting the island is flipped North to South (and possible East-West as well).

Based on this, looking at the red-brick city in which the starters are shown, with its industrial nature, canal leading to the sea and bordering mountains, I think that it represents Manchester, which would mean that the city by the wall where the ice starts would be Birmingham, although none of it's features match.

It's also possible the city on the sea is Liverpool, due to being on the coast between Manchester and Birmingham.

The industrial City being Manchester also fits with the lakes South of it, which would represent the Lake District
These cities would suggest that the region represents just England, rather than the whole of the UK.

Just some preliminary ideas, we shall have to wait for more information before confirming anything. --[[User:ZiggyAngelo8|ZiggyAngelo8]] ([[User talk:ZiggyAngelo8|talk]]) 21:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC){{unsigned|ZiggyAngelo8}}

:Well here is some information I've tried to put but Wiki-maniacs here can't live with them until they are officially confirmed(like we ever needed official confirmation anyway) :P

:[[Galar]] is based on {{wp|Great Britain}}. Galar's outline is of a vertical flipped Great Britain, though the climate isn't flipped(cold north and warm south), ideally making the London based city snowy and Manchester/Liverpool based one warm.

:[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 21:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

::I could argue that Galar also reminds me of a Scandinavian country, which it actually does. Game Freak may throw us in a loop, which is why sourcing is absolutely important when making a claim like this. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:06, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

:::Well, it's actually a vertically ''and horizontally''-flipped Great Britain (or how Great Britain looks from the North).
:::It's most definitely based on Great Britain, London is at the top of the region with the London Eye, Big Ben/Parliment, and tower is based off, what I assume, is the {{wp|The Gherkin}}. The general shape and edges match up well too.
:::The steampunk town with the "clocktower" is based on Edinburgh, in some of its features and geographical position.[[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 00:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
::::Well, we should still wait for an official confirmation. This info is already being hidden in other articles by admins. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::We also can't really add any locations in the Galar Region to this list without know the names of the locations. Putting something like the Edinburgh town as "Steampunk Town" doesn't really scream "professional editing". [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 00:48, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
::::::Agreed. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:07, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

:I think that the region is only based in England, since there are no references to its neighboring regions (Scotland and Wales), and that the region is set backwards, with London in the north

:[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 7:42, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

::The region would be way too small if the region was just composed of England.
::Traced out the shape of GB and Galar, Galar is at such a weird angle but you can still make out geographical details. It seems the pointy ends of Wales that jut out are almost nonexistent in Pokemon. Image: https://imgur.com/6VNe7QM
::(Somebody also leaked some '''''major''''' general game spoilers last week, one detail was that Galar is based on Great Britain.) https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/37621165 [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 04:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

: Discussions about whether or not Galar is based on UK are also important, but I think someone should change the first paragraph from "The designs of seven of the major Pokémon regions—Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, and Alola—are strikingly similar in geography and demographics to regions in the real world, and sometimes even officially stated to be based on certain locations. The first four regions are based on smaller regions in Japan, while Unova and Alola are based on parts of the United States and Kalos is based on France. It is stated that the inspiration for Orre is Phoenix, Arizona." to "The designs of eight of the major Pokémon regions—Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, Alola, and Galar—are strikingly similar in geography and demographics to regions in the real world, and sometimes even officially stated to be based on certain locations. The first four regions are based on smaller regions in Japan, while Unova and Alola are based on parts of the United States and Kalos is based on France. It is stated that the inspiration for Orre is Phoenix, Arizona." [[User:Kimichael4317|Kimichael4317]] ([[User talk:Kimichael4317|talk]]) 05:49, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

: Personally, I think that if Edinburgh were in the game, Edinburgh Castle would feature somehow, and additionally, if the red-brick city were to be based on a Scottish city, it's more likely to be Glasgow, which is both bigger than Edinburgh and more associated with industry.

: Having said this, I still believe that the region only represents England, as a lack of landmarks resembling Aberdeen or Inverness would mean that, if Scotland is included, it's only half of it, which would be a strange decision; furthermore, if the red-brick city were Glasgow, that would mean virtually all of England, 60% of Great Britain, would be condensed into about 1/4 of the region. --[[User:ZiggyAngelo8|ZiggyAngelo8]] ([[User talk:ZiggyAngelo8|talk]]) 21:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC){{unsigned|ZiggyAngelo8}}

:: They condensed most of Northern metropolitan France into a few cities and towns in Kalos, why can't they do the same with Galar?
::The coastlines between GB and Galar match up pretty closely, except Wales loses it "edginess". The map doesn't really paint an accurate picture of what the region contains, as it isn't really a 1:1 representation of the whole contents of the region, making it so we're unable to see all of buildings within the Steampunk area (Not even the regions are on complete a 1:1 with their IRL counterparts).
::Heck, since there isn't a town or city to the left near the steampunk area, they might've meshed Edinburgh and Glasgow into one city. They've already done towns that had elements from multiple locations and made them into one in-game location. [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 17:07, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

:Having seen the Galar Map flipped to match Great Britain as closely as possible, it definitely seems like the Port Town is at least in the same location as Liverpool/Birkenhead or possibly Blackpool. I had originally thought the lakes must be the Lake District, hence the industrial city would have to be Manchester (or Leeds or Newcastle, looking at it flipped, although, as Argentarus said, it could be all 3 combined), or the lakes could represent the Caledonian Canal and the Lochs it runs through, though those could be represented by the river and lake in the starting town. Also, I had theorised that the fairy town by the big wall could be representative of Nottingham and Sherwood Forest, as this is near the Birmingham Metropolitan Area in real life, which still seems likely as the walled grey city. --[[User:ZiggyAngelo8|ZiggyAngelo8]] ([[User talk:ZiggyAngelo8|talk]]) 21:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC){{unsigned|ZiggyAngelo8}}

:This video explains why the starting town is most likely in the Dumfries and Galloway region of Scotland [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMe3kM_ETio]--[[User:ZiggyAngelo8|ZiggyAngelo8]] ([[User talk:ZiggyAngelo8|talk]]) 21:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC){{unsigned|ZiggyAngelo8}}

This article honestly should've been protected earlier, or used a notice like, idk, (Template:Protect) or (Template:Disputed) (If the constant editing in of a Galar section by multiple users even counts as a dispute in the current situation) to still allow editing for previous regions without all of the unnecessary editing and unediting. (Maybe it's time for a template '''focused on''' pre-release conjecture. Something along the lines of "Don't edit in unconfirmed information or pre-release speculation until the game has been officially released", unless that kind of template already exists. The "upcoming" notice has it as a almost-unnoticable-unless-you-read-it warning in its fine print, but nobody ever reads non-emboldened fine print. Period.) If they ignore the notices, they pay the price. [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 22:38, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

:That should be something you should suggest to the admins on their talk pages, not here. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:14, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

== Unova Route 4 ==

Has Unova Route 4's resemblance to the former WTC site actually been confirmed? I know it's been speculated, but I've yet to see any source confirm it to be anything but an unfortunate coincidence (unfortunate because I find it hard to believe the creators would intentionally insert a reference to such a tragedy). [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 18:24, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

:I was the one who added it some time ago, I really can not think of a more adequate justification for this desert --Grizzlyring123 04:27, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

== Kalos Pokémon League is based on Notre Dame ==

It was weird not to see a Pokémon-ified Notre-Dame cathedral in Lumiose City, especially when Notre-Dame such an iconic French icon.

So, the Kalos Pokemon League might not be based on the Nancy Cathedral (I'm curious about why that was chosen), but rather the Eastern facade (side) of the Notre-Dame cathedral, as viewed from the La Fontaine de la Vierge (with some elements, like the "dome-like structures" on the front of the league building, coming from other gothic-era cathedrals). Both the Kalos Pokémon League and the eastern facade of Notre-Dame feature fence-like things on their roofs, numerous {{wp|Flying Buttress|flying buttresses}} (Notre-Dame and the Pokemon League building have flying buttresses that connect to four small towers that are in similar positions; the Kalos league takes some artistic libetries and includes some higher, upside-down "flying buttresses" around the front of the main spire), there are also two areas to the side of the Pokemon League that could also correspond to the northern and southern part of Notre-Dame's {{wp|Transept|transept}} (the sides of the building that jut out from the main part of the building and houses two of Notre-Dame's famous {{wp|Notre-Dame_de_Paris#Stained_glass_—_rose_windows|rose windows}}; the same kind of window architecture that composes the floor of the Elite Four and Champion's chambers), the door that leads into the Pokemon League that has the three circles (that kind of look like an upside-down Mickey Mouse head) features a similar design on the arched windows along the bottom of Notre-Dame, and the Pokemon League has a spire on the center of the main building similar to how Notre-Dame also sports a spire on the converging point of the transept and the main building.

It might be a bit of a stretch, but the four '''big''' towers (not including the spire on top, and yes, there are four; if you move around you can barely see the red roofs of the two other towers behind the two front towers) that are located near the transept of the Pokemon League building may be based on Notre-Dame's bell towers, but more research might need to go into the the inspirations behind those towers.

Pictures of the Eastern end of Notre-Dame and the Kalos Pokemon League: [https://www.eurocheapo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Notre-Dame-Buttresses.jpg] [https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/31/Pok%C3%A9mon_League_Kalos.png][[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 04:31, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon world in relation to the real world/Archive 1

2019-03-04T18:27:02Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Galar Region */

==Cinnibar==
It's quite possible that Cinnibar is a part of the Sevii Islands, as Midway Island, for instance, is technically a part of the Hawaiian chain. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 19:26, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Shinnou==
Where did that information come from that Shino is based on Hokkaido? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:Because, you gotta look at the released Corocoro scans from this month ==[[User:Jason|Jade]] 2.56pm, 14 June 2006 (AEST)

::And what do you know about Japanese geography, eh? Could be Hokkaido - but the mountain chain makes me suspect Hokuriku - which is on the west side of the Japanese Alps. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:::To anyone who wishes to edit this page so as to state that Hokkaido has been confirmed - learn Japanese beforehand and refrain from counting on unofficial web sites. CoroCoro only referred to Shin'ō as an island similar to Hoenn - that leaves Shikoku and Hokkaido. It is plain to see that the map, which has been largely revealed to us, takes the shape of Hokkaido. It is for this that some web sites such as Filb.de claim it to be based on Hokkaido as if it were confirmed.

:::Unlike Zhen Lin, I am absolutely confident in the veracity of Hokkaido. Even so, the correct wording is to be used at the very least until a full map has been obtained. Hoenn was confirmed to have been modeled after Kyūshū not long after Ruby and Sapphire had seen release. That said, Sevii Islands and Orre have thus far remained in the realm of speculation - but at least we have the resources provided by the games. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]

::::What about the orange islands and fiore? [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 14:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I mean look at Sinnoh's shape...

Funny thing about orre...(get it?Orrezona((Arizona and Orre)).).

--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 06:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

==Indian elephants==
Hm. I was flipping through my FireRed game the other day, and there's lots of Indian elephants mentioned in the Pokedex entries... is this worth mentioning? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] 02:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Pikachu's power? Definately. --[[User:Kyoufu Kawa|Kyoufu Kawa]] 18:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Noah's ark==
I was watching ''[[EP016|Pokémon Shipwreck]]'' and i noticed that brock tells about noah and the ark. Can we put that somewhere? --[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 22:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:: What the heck does that have to do with geography? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:::It doesn't, it has to do with history of our world [[User:Count Caterpie|Count]] [[User talk:Count Caterpie|Caterpie]] 23:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Wrong again. It has to do with the mythology of our world, not history. You shouldn't too much into it, anyway, it was just a cop out. They didn't feel like making a whole new religion for the series, so they stole the most readily available one.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 14:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== About the real world locations mentioned section... ==

some of these things just have to go. The Fantina dialogue thing doesn't really have anything to do with it since that only happened immediately before the battle, not when you first encounter her at the contest hall or after you beat her. Besides, she could have just been using a fake accent. I mean, [[Blue (Game)|Blue]] was using a french accent when he fought you on the St. Anne, and the last time I checked, he never visited France or anything, never spoke in that accent prior to it, and immediately dropped the accent right after you beat him. Also, i doubt that an Indian elephant should count towards a real world location (maybe real world animal, but definitely not a real world location.)

anyways, thats all for now.

~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

Actually Fantina says something about moving to Hearthrome(spelling might be wrong) City before the battle.I am not sure but I think that backs up that she is from France

~~Starfire~~

Just because she said that she moved to hearthrome city doesn't necessarily mean that she was from France. I mean, if she explicitly stated that she was from France (or canada, even), then yes, that would have merit. But she never really said where she moved from. she only gave a vague mention of another country. I mean, for all we know, she could have just as easily come from the Orange or sevii Islands (I think of the Sevii Islands as an entirely seperate place than an actual region considering how it and Kanto seem to have somewhat of a feud before you arrived that wouldn't be of this scale if it was a region.], or Heck, even Orre (they seemed to imply through a news report in colosseum that it has entirely different regions due to the fact that they mentioned that several regions were attacked by [[Shadow_Pokemon|Abnormal Pokemon]], and since Kanto/Johto/Hoenn never even referenced being attacked by them, that seems to imply that it is an entirely different country in and of itself.).

I mean if you wish, go ahead, but I just want to say that I'm not too sure about that. I mean, if she was explicitly said to have come from france (like the Trainer dex in Pokemon FRLG said about Lt. Surge [I don't count the "Lightning American" thing as evidence that he is American since Some of the Gym Leaders were given similar nicknames even though they really don't have any corollation with each other (Tomboyish Mermaid, Elegant Princess, among others comes to mind [Misty's not a mermaid because she doesn't have a fish tail, she doesn't sit on rocks to comb her hair {her hair is very short, anyways}, and she never really stated that she was a Mermaid or related to them. As for Erika, she never really said that she was related to any royal family.].).].) then, yes, Go on ahead.

But since she never really stated that she was from France (her speaking french doesn't count since 1. she seemed to be faking it since the only time she ACTUALLY spoke french was when you meet up with her, which she drops when she is close to losing, and 2. Even IF she was actually able to speak french, that doesn't mean she is from France. remember, Canada, Jamacia as well as some african countrys speak French as part of their language.), we shouldn't say that she was from France.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

== Regarding the map... ==

The map is veerrryyy wrong! It should be like this: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1206/japanforonceandforeverdz3.png
Or maybe this is clearer: http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4092/japanys0.png
Please people, it's a common made mistake, but it isn't that hard to see, is it?

Zig

== Deoxys reference ==

The "North Pole" doesn't necessarily have to be a reference to a real-world location. Every planet has a north and south pole. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 20:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Antarctica or North Pole? ==

I'm confused. I could have sworn that Deoxys landed in Antarctica, yet this article says it's the North Pole. Could someone clarify? [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|Jirachi]][[User talk:JirachiWishmaker0802|Wishmaker0802]] 10:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:It's possible different tellings of the franchise have different landing spots for Deoxys. For all we know, had [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] reached Hoenn, Deoxys could have crashed in downtown {{wp|Honolulu, Hawaii}} in that telling. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

::You know, I think we should eliminate it from the references section, as the term "North pole" doesn't necessarily hint at Antartica. Besides, Antartica isn't even the North Pole, if anything, it's more the exact opposite term. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

==Could someone update the map?==

Almia should be included, as it's attached to Sinnoh. {{unsigned|LynnCreed}}

no almia's place should not be part of the main map because it is just a side game. almia should be in a "side game's map". Maybe that small part will be part of another generation game! do you have absolute proof from the developers of the game? i think not! plus if there is no mention of the national pokedex, then almia is in a different nation. since the main games are one nation, most likely the geography is influenced by japan, there are no separate nations inside what is similar to japanese land. you cannot be too sure until it is 100% proven. plus almia is just a small area of land similar to most things to the world right now. it can be part of the area of northern africa and mediterranean sea. also the games state that they are far away from the main pokemon games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

== Game Systems ==

Would that be a reference to the real world because they are made in the real world? {{unsigned|Midnight Blue}}

== {{wp|Harlan County, Kentucky}} ==

In my sperpetic,Oreburgh reminds me around my home County, Harlan County , also the mines.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 23:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Your what?--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::Lots of places have mines. He means ''perspective''. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::There's pretty much no chance that a Japanese game is referring to your home county. There are many more notable mining areas, many in Pennsylvania, for example. I'm sure there's even more in Japan that are more likely. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 23:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::True, but then again, the Metal Gear series was a Japanese game (it was made in Japan, and was originally intended to be Japanese exclusive), and yet most of it's locations were anywhere BUT Japan (In fact, the only REAL Japanese references that was in the MG games was Master Miller, Akiba, "Kuwabara, Kuwabara", and the Tsuchinoko from "Snake Eater", which is pretty lacking anyways.). Heck, Sootopolis's geography was inspired by Santorini, Greece. For all we know, Harlan County could have served as a minor inspiration. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::As someone from Bullitt County, Kentucky, I'm going to have to say that such a claim is silly. We have had some form of confirmation on every other consistency. Until TPC comes out and says, "Yeah, it's totally our intention that Oreburgh be based on a county in the eastern part of a state in the US that we have almost assuredly never heard of," it's just very erroneous speculation. PS - Go MSU. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 04:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Map with Almia ==
I've made a map with Almia included. I think it's better to use this one
File:Pokemonworld.png
--Furanty 17:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I think we should keep the almia part blank.It's not even part of the main series obviously. or we could make maps of the main series and the other series separate. spinoff regions does not always relate to the main regions. Almia might be a parallel to india for all we know! plus almia does not look like it is on that part of japan but more on the southern part of sinnoh. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
: Note that the game with Almia mentions that Shinoh is nearby (hence the choice to send the Manaphy egg there). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pepe Toño Macías ==

On latinamerican dub, James' voice actor always names a real world city (mostly latin-american, but some famous world cities are mentioned to) on Team Rocket's Motto, replacing the earlier "y extender nuestro reino hasta las estrellas" with "y extender nuestro reino a [real world city]". Most latin-american capital cities has been named as well as many other important cities like Córdoba (Argentinian seconds), Acapulco or Cancún (Mexican strongest tourist region), Punta del Este (famous uruguayan city), Viña del Mar (Chilean city who host one of the most sponsored music shows on the region), etc.

He is also the main reason to include many differents countries slangs to the whole Team Rocket, mostly mexican ones because of where the dub is translated. {{unsigned|Mephisto}}

== Other Articles? ==

Is there a reason all this information is listed only here, and not on the locations individual pages? Personally I think it is relevant Trivia that, for instance, Mt. Silver is based on Mt. Fuji. [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 05:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:It's listed on some of them, mainly the regions. Sure it's interesting trivia, but we don't want the articles to be made of 100% trivia. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::True, but in some cases wouldn't you say it's relevant? For instance, Ecruteak City is based on Kyoto (not mentioned in Ecruteak's article at the moment), both cities are very old and have a lot of history. Kyoto is famous outside Japan- I'd hazard a guess at it being the second most well known Japanese city. Kyoto's history contributes to Ecruteak's role in the games. Wouldn't you say that's relevant? Violet City being based on Nara is, perhaps, less relevant, and wouldn't be very meaningful to most people using the wiki, so things like that perhaps could be skipped. But I definitely think that at least Mt. Silver/Fuji and Ecruteak/Kyoto are worth mentioning. I want to say something regarding Tokyo too, but the matter seems pretty complicated since there's no single Tokyo analogue.

::Also, just a passing thought, is it worth maybe mentioning the opposite- for places like Pacifidog town- that they are lacking in real world analogue? [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 04:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

==Regarding Hoenn==

Actually, I've done some of my own research into the correlation between Hoenn and its real-life counterpart and would like to argue that Rustboro is a much better candidate to counterpart with Fukuoka than Rustboro. The region (according to wikipedia which is the source I used) is known for its industrial and steel works, which seems pretty analogous to Rustboro's Devon Corp.

Also, Lavaridge matches up to Ōita much better than Fallabour. Ōita is closer to Beppu, the hotspring region. It's possible that whoever said Lavaridge was Aso got the two Hoenn Cities mixed up, because looking at the map of Kyushu, they're the other way around.

Kagoshima could possibly be Lilycove, as it's a bay city with a small round island in the port, which could be analogous to Mt. Pyre.

I'm not sure who wrote up the Hoenn cities part of the article, but I'd definitely argue that they didn't look closely enough at a map of Kyushu or of Hoenn, as some of them match up to other cities much better than the ones listed. Sorry to seem like a jerk, but I've done a LOT of reading online about this and it's too bad the Bulba article isn't better. I'll edit the article eventually, I'd just like a reply here first.
[[User:AutumnRain|AutumnRain]] 18:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:Sure, show us what you got. And I completely agree... Rustboro is a much better candidate than Rustboro ;) You may want to doublecheck that :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==Table Overload==
This page is mostly composed of tables, tables, and ''more'' tables. We need some actual writing in here, as well as images, or else I feel this article doesn't deserve its status as a Featured Article. It's informative, but the way it's presented simply doesn't share that information in a productive way. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 15:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:What else would you have us add? If that's all we have, it's kinda hard to add more. And it doesn't look good as a bunch of bullet points making up a whole page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::This is just an idea, but how about some free use pictures of the real-life landmarks, like {{wp|Kinkaku-ji}} (Brass Tower), {{wp|Ginkaku-ji}} (Tin tower), {{wp|Mount Fuji}} (Mt. Silver), etc.? It would be neat to see, especially if we had them side-by-side with game screenshots (or Midori Harada art? ...or anime screenshots, that would probably be better) of the Pokemon world locations. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::That would work, but we'd have to find all of the real world pictures that would look like the Harada art though. We wouldn't have to have a picture for every location though, so whatever Harada art we have we should try to find something for it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, as I edited in, we could also use anime screenshots instead of restricting ourselves to what few Harada location art there is. For example, we could do...
::::: with {{wp|File:Tokyo_Shinjuku_City_20070317.jpg|this}}
::::...Though of course all city skylines look pretty much the same, so that wouldn't be an ideal example. Just pointing out that we could go with anime art too. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would have real information explaining ''why'' these different regions and cities are counterparts to real-world areas. All of the sections simply say "x is based off x". ''Why'' are they based off those areas? Was it stated in an interview, or is there a mountain of evidence that cannot be swept aside as coincidence? Some reasoning would really help this article, and without it the whole page just seems to lack any real information, which is why I don't feel it should be Featured. I also agree with Umeko's suggestion for side-by-side comparison images, but we should definitely limit them to things that, without a doubt, can be visually-comparable. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::I do hope you saw the {{fan speculation}}
::::::at the top of the page. That is why there isn't that much evidence stated. A lot of the things were put up there, and people agreed on it. That's about how fan speculation pages work. But I do agree, we need something more. Unfortunately, that'll be hard to do, since most of it ''is'' speculation. A lot of it though, is where things are located in Japan and the anime, as seen on that map at the top of the page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Of course I noticed. Despite that (or perhaps even ''because'' of it) more information is needed to support these claims. People like knowing ''why'' things are the way they are, not just that they are. Considering the mantle of "fan speculation" is already applied to this article, then we should feel free to add more of it without worry. Now, there should be standards. There should be no doubt that there are correlations between one thing and another, and no "logical" jumps or rationalizations. The towers have the same appearance, purpose, and general history as real-world counterparts... So that could easily be considered a fact and should be elaborated on a bit. Where Orre is, for example, should have options and reasons for and against each one. This article can definitely be improved, but how is something we need to figure out. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

==Comments==
Should the sections in the various tables marked for comments be for notes on the real-world counterparts, as is currently done, or should we only write comments if there's some similarity other than geography to note between the Pokémon world and real world? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 13:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:These comments do talk about similarities. Pallet is the player's hometown, Vermilion has a large harbor, Celadon and Saffron are big cities, Cinnabar has a volcano... The comments are for links between the Pokémon world and the real world. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::Some of them aren't, like the comment for Dewford Town which only states that the real-world basis used to belong to Korea. (That one, at least, just sounds like Japan-Korea politics) [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 14:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Anyone got a clue where around real world Japan, Oblivia lies?
[[File:Oblivia artwork.png]]
Can't see any islands that look like it or anything O: All the islands are so small...{{unsigned|Saiph charon}}
:Might not be an area of Japan. Spin off game regions don't always relate to the other regions. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Milonda Island appears to be based off of Dogo Island.
Rainbow Island seems to be based off of a combination of Nishino and Nakano Islands.
Drop island appears to be based off of Chiburi Island.
They all are part of the Oki Islands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oki_Islands.png

Sopiana Island is without a doubt based off of Ulleungdo Island. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulleungdo

Thundercloud and Shikulele Island appear to be loosely based off of the Liancourt rocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks

All the islands mentioned are found in the sea of Japan north of Chugoku.--[[User:flamin entei|flamin entei]] 19:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

:'Liancourt' is what the sailors of the French ship Liancourt named the islands in 1849. There is an older and correct name called Dokdo which was derived from Usando, a name used since AD 512 .[[User:Kimichael4317|Kimichael4317]] ([[User talk:Kimichael4317|talk]]) 05:57, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

== I dont think this is one of the best bulbapedia articles ==

Ive seen dozens more "Other applications of real-world locations" in the anime and that needs to be added.--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:So, um, go for it? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah Im getting there lol.Going to take a while to remember and view all of them that I know of.
Im just very surprised Im the first one to put one in that has appeared in the tv anime series.
--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Regice ==

In pokemon Emerald, Regice's pokedex entry mentions Antartic ice. --[[User:Pkmn master|pkmn master]] 11:12, 14 Febuary 2010 (UTC)

== Map of Side Games ==

I know that the side games are more difficult to place, as far as true geographic regions go (if they even exist), but in the article itself, it mentions Orre as "[bearing] striking resemblance to the Gunma Prefecture of Japan in shape, which would place Orre north of Kanto and Johto." I think this is relevant to include on ''a'' map, although it doesn't have to be the one at the top of the page.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 21:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

we should keep a map of the side games separate from the map with the main games. side games are not really canon with the main games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
:The Pokemon Ranger series of games are canon, Colosseum games, as well, however, seeing how that game contained Manaphy, which needed to be downloaded into DP, and the fact that they have direct connectivity to the main games. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Just because they're canon (which is, I believe, debatable) doesn't mean they all correspond to locations in Japan like the others. And if they don't relate to each other, making a map for them's gonna be pretty hard. On a side note, I think the Orre connections are quite a stretch, and there should at least be comparisons between Orre locations and Arizona alongside the comparisons to Japan. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::lets just separate the maps then. the region on where the side game's area is on might be filled in by a later generation's region, the side game's region might not be in japan because they look like most other areas in the real world and the side region is not part of the main games. even though you can get manaphy in pokemon ranger does not mean that that game is canon. it just means that you can get manaphy from that game. Question- how does almia fit next to sinnoh? almia looks nothing like the tail of hokkaido which is sinnoh's real world counterpart. Almia does not look like it is in the south part of sinnoh either. If sinnoh is the pokemon counterpart of hokkaido shouldn't the center of almia be filled with land? {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

::::If they weren't canon, then there wouldn't be any connectivity, period. Absolutely no ties to the main games whatsoever is the very definition of not canon. That, as well as not even being made by the same people, period. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::sorry to give you an example of another franchise but what about the naruto anime? all of it's filler arcs are noncanon and it has something to do with the characters. plus it is made by the same company who does the rest of the anime. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

==Orre Section Revamp==
I'm sorry, but the section on Orre DEFINITELY needs work. so far it has only three locations listed, and those are listed with the presupposition that Orre is in fact based on a region of Japan. I did some research into Arizona and the surrounding area and found some more noticeable parallels.

Phenac City is obviously based on Phoenix, Arizona, for the reasons listed in the article already.

Mt. Battle could be based on Humphreys Peak, the highest point in Arizona. While it's not a volcano like Mt. Battle, neither is the Gunma Prefecture of Japan a desert. That said, Humphreys Peak also lands in the right place relative to other locations.

Pyrite Town could be based on Yuma, Arizona, which formerly housed a large prison facility (which fits in with both the Pyrite Town jail and the high crime rate in that section of Orre).

Agate Village was hard to find, but I eventually settled on the little town of Oatman, Arizona. Oatman lies right along Route 66, and, as with many towns along that route, has seen better days. While it doesn't appear as fertile as Agate Village, I thought the history of this mountain town fit in with the fact that the population of Agate Village is mostly elderly, with the young moving to the cities instead.

In terms of locations from XD, I widened my search to include locations not specifically in Arizona. I placed Gateon Port at the well-known city of San Diego, California.

Citadark Isle seems to correspond with Isla Guadelupe, a volcanic island off the coast of Baja California.

I don't know how this should be incorporated into the article, but I do believe at least some of this information needs to go there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, Gunma Prefecture isn't a desert, but then again, Floaroma Town isn't a flowerfield in real life, it is a desert. Anyways, I also don't recall Arizona being so barren that animals are even scarcer than water (which in Orre, apparently Pokémon actually are that scarce, at least in Colosseum.). I do doubt that it's near the Gunma Prefecture, but I also doubt that its supposed to be Arizona. Also, even going beyond Arizona, most of the locations don't match up. Citadark Island is on the opposite side of the real life location. Not to mention that San Diego isn't anywhere near that location. Maybe the old Colosseum map might have been based off of Arizona, but going by XD, it's not based off of Arizona or even the Southwestern United States/Mexican area, for that matter. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

::My bad about XD locations; I don't have the game, so it's hard to verify where they go (especially based on the few low quality Orre maps you can find). But nonetheless, the Orre section needs to change or be removed. The similarities listed are a real stretch (Outskirt Stand based on an archaeological site? I doubt it.), and besides, I thought Fiore's section was removed because it was a side game location. Should the same be done for Orre, perhaps with Phenac City moved to the section on non-Japanese influences? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

:: there are no major deserts in japan (if you count the tottori sand dunes then yes but they are in the south of japan). if the fiore section is removed because it was a side game then we should remove orre. plus the state of arizona is not bordered by an ocean or something large like that water area near gateon port {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

:::...What about the Gulf of California? It doesn't have to be shaped EXACTLY like the state, it can also include nearby regions. [[User:Taknamay|Taknamay]] 14:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::::Made a comparison pic to demonstrate Taknamay's point http://i.imgur.com/57Wlq9J.png.
::::That terrain matches almost exactly. And they said Phoenix, Arizona was the inspiration, so seems like a pretty open and shut case to me. Since some of the other regions like Almia have a comparison image, we could use that one. Unfortunately I can't upload images yet so someone else would have to do it --[[User:Foxsong|Foxsong]] ([[User talk:Foxsong|talk]]) 05:46, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

==New Image==
I like how it's been aligned so the regions look more like they do in the games, but technically Hoenn's box should be a lot bigger. That southwestern island chain includes such places as Naha (the inspiration for Ever Grande City), Yonaguni (the inspiration for the Sealed Chamber), and Yaebishi (the inspiration for Mirage Island). In other words, Game Freak curled that island chain around to compress the region into a smaller space, likely for gameplay reasons. Also, it would tickle me pink for the map to include the Sevii Islands, although that might be trickier. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:sorry i couldn't find a good map like the one i had with yonaguni, yaebishi the kuril islands and sakhalin. the colors are for the third games in the generation they were first seen in (in Japan). for johto i made it into suicune's thing on it's head. the sevii islands are red for fire red. if you want me to change the colors or fix anything, please ask. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
::First of all, you should sign your comments with four tildes (~). But in regards to the map, it's wonderful! I'm not too enthralled with the color selection (a bit dull; I would have gone with green for Kanto, yellow for Johto, red for Hoenn, and purple for Sinnoh, as is used in the new HGSS Pokédex guide) but with the level of inclusion contained within this map I'm willing to let that pass. Great job! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:13, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia uses distinct color templates, such as {{template|kanto color}}, for regional coloring. If an official guide uses other colors though... maybe we should look at changing them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::ok i'll change them[[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 03:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::No, you won't. For one thing, the templates /should/ be protected. For another, changes of this nature need to go through the Editorial Board. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
but i created the original image. it says in the file history [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 23:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:And? Doesn't mean anything about the templates. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::then what should i do? should i delete the map? [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 04:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==Ecruteak Dance Theater==
A rocket grunt mentions hula dancing...reference to Hawaii possibly? He tells this to the Kimono Girl --User:xaigon_paladin 1:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah. Because it was made by the Hawaiians (technically settlers from Polynesia or something). Adding. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu's Location ==

Isshu has been said to be far away from the other regions, and screenshots of Black and White show various landmarks similar to what are found in San Francisco (Such as the Golden Gate Bridge). I feel this should be mentioned. {{unsigned|Tveye}}
:I've heard New York and I've heard Hong Kong. Let's leave it at "some place really far away that might not be Japan" until the games are released and we can make more informed choices. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== propaganda. ==
Tsushima was an island of Korea before 1945; the old name is ''Daemado''.

Tsushima doesn't belong to Korea before 1945. Bulbapedia becomes the place of dispatch of propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think it can be chalked up to being an honest mistake. All you had to do was remove it, there was no need to come here and accuse us of spreading propaganda. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 09:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I am terribly disappointed. It is to not only the guess but also malignant propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Calm down, dude. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:We don't need any nationalist crap here. Correct the mistake yourself or politely point it out.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

He is still doing propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Numbers Stations ==

Do you guys think that we should include in the Ruins of Alph location info that the "Mysterious Transmission" is based on the real world's "Numbers Stations"? These short wave radios are used by spies. http://www.archive.org/details/ird059 --[[User:Kambash|Kambash]] 20:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon world(Original Japanese version) in relation to the real world. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ponyta_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
The change in Pokedex entry is interesting. The explanation of Tokyo Tower exists in a Japanese version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

このわざをみんなはだいもんじやきとよんでいるがそりゃまちがいだ！ほんばきょうとではだいもんじとかおくりびと　よんでいるのだ！

[[Blaine]] refers {{wp|kyoto}}(Japanese city) in Generation III. It is convinced that it is erased in the non-Japanese version because it is not described in BULBAPEDIA. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 05:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== some edits ==

As we are following Revised Hepburn as a standard for romanizations in listing the locations, "Oshima" (under Sevii Islands, Knot Island, prefecture) should be spelled "Ōshima", "Nakoudojima" (under Sevii Islands, Memorial Pillar, specific location) should be "Nakōdojima", and "Meiji no Mori Minoo" (under Johto, National Park, specific location) should be "Meiji no Mori Minō".

There is also "Chubu" (right under Johto) in stead of "Chūbu", "Honshu" (right under Hoenn) in stead of "Honshū", and "Hokkaido" (right under Sinnoh) in stead of "Hokkaidō", as well as a lot of other non-Hepburn romanizations in the comment section (Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto, Oshima, Hokkaido, etc.) alongside the Hepburn ones (Kantō, Tōkaidō, Kyūshū, Hōryū-ji, etc.). I guess non-Hepburn is acceptable, as it is standard in everyday English use (mainly important cities like Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto), but I think it would probably be better to choose either one.

'''Japanese Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Chichijima (Sevii Islands, Fortune Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%88%B6%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Hahajima (Sevii Islands, Quest Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AF%8D%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Yaebishi (Hoenn, Mirage Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%AB%E9%87%8D%E5%B9%B2%E7%80%AC

'''English Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Meiji no Mori Minō Quasi-National Park (Johto, National Park): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_no_Mori_Min%C5%8D_Quasi-National_Park

Cape Nosappu (Sinnoh, Vista Lighthouse): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Nosappu

If you are still reading this, thank you for hearing me out. --[[User:Spenvdm|Spenvdm]] 12:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== The motif of Isshu is New York. ==

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html
"Junichi Masuda" is insisted on that the motif of Isshu is New York. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== "Go West Young Meowth" refereence? ==

He was in California in the [[EP070|episode]]. {{unsigned|444Zekrom}}
:That's already noted in the episode. Besides, it really wouldn't be possible for them to travel from the Kanto Region to Hollywood, California with a van, and absolutely no reference to a plane in sight (since it was heavily implied that they took a van to get there.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 09:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== How are these real world locations? ==

"In A Bite to Remember, Jessie says that Albert Einstein created the light bulb. Max corrects her, saying that Thomas Edison was the creator."

"A Rocket Grunt mentions the hula dance to a Kimono Girl while in the Ecruteak dance theater"

Ive never heard of any locations named :Albert Einstein,Thomas Edison, kimono or hula.
It seems the person who added this seems to be mistaken with pokemon in relation to real world things.
I thought this was meant to include reference to PLACES!--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 08:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:The article isn't limited to locations, but those points were in the wrong section. I created a new section for people and cultures. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
::The hula dance point disappeared. And I'm leaving for school now, so I can't do it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Side regions ==

The section is blank! Hardly fitting of a featured article. I propose noting Almia (covered above a few times) and Orre (expliclty confirmed, see the citation in the [[Orre]] article. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu ==
Not wanting to add more information as there have been issues about its origin on other pages (no pun intended). However, I would like to point out that the note about Hiun City should be in the comments column, not shoved into the specific location column like it currently is. Could an admin fix that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu seems not to exist in North American continent. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Isshu#New_Map_of_isshu.
The game freak seems to have created the continent of fictitious. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Anime=/=Games--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 19:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

The United Tower is based in United States Headquarters in New York --[[User:Angelical Master Aqua|Angelical Master Aqua]] 22:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Do you have anything to back that up, or is it just baseless speculation? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==Capitilization error in title==

One would think that a featured article would have correct capitilization in the title. In the title the letters begin with lowercase letters when they should be uppercase. This is a basic rule of writing. I suggest this to be moved to so that the title is properly capitilized. If no one responds otherwise I'll move it to a correctly capitilized page. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:I guess sence no one responded it's okay to move? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
::Okay I'm moving the article to '''Pokémon World In Relation To The Real World.''' Any objections please let me know withen five minutes. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Not only is it not acceptable to move something just because someone hasn't "answered", it also looks very retarded. Unless it's something very specific, it Does Not Get Written Like This Because It Looks Wrong. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Besides, I also think you were acting too hasty anyway, you could have contacted one of the administrators first since it would have been easier to avoid making a simple mistake like this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Well I'm sorry I thought that since no one had anwsered that it was okay. I posted three times and someone could have said something instead of ignoring my comments. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::No, your method of doing this was completely inappropriate. You don't tell people to respond within 5 minutes. You wait until at least one person responds. That's the whole point of a discussion. You can't have a discussion with yourself. I can't speak for the rest, but I can't sit around here all day watching all the talk pages. I had only noticed this discussion here after I realized what was done. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Well I sencerly apologize for the way I handled the situation and I will not do it again in the future. I just want to help edit and I'm sorry if I made more work for you on here. I don't want to look "retarded" again. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Don't worry about it. Also, I didn't call you retarded, I know my choice of words there was inappropriate but that wasn't directed at you. I apologize if I offended you. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::It's okay you are just doing your job as admin. Thank you for letting me know about my mistake. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

==Anyone think this is important??==
as no one replied to my comment before, I'm putting it again here. I'm almost 100% sure that it's a parallel world! Should we put this in the article as a possibility?--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 09:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'll put it in now. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 16:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::What are you talking about? Are you saying the Pokémon World is a parallel to our world... ? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 18:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 13:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't say it's a parallel to our world, just yet. Have we seen a region based on any part of Africa, Australia, Europe, South America? No. So, it's not parallel enough. I would say the Pokemon world is based on our world. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they aren't there! --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 17:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Official source. Inspiration origin of Unova. ==

Sootopolis City 屋久島 Yakushima 鹿児島県 Kagoshima
The landscape of Sootopolis City is based on Santorini, Greece.

There is such a description. I similarly reflect an official source.

* Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from {{wp|Brooklyn Bridge}} and {{wp|Rainbow Bridge (Tokyo)|Rainbow Bridge}}.
* Tubeline Bridge draws inspiration from the {{wp|Forth Bridge}}.
* Village Bridge draws inspiration from the old Italian bridge.
* Entralink draws inspiration from the {{wp|Tokyo Imperial Palace}}.

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Fiore ==

My proposal: Fiore could be the northern part of the Shimokita Peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimokita_Peninsula)

* Rural.
* Closest to Sinnoh (Hokkaido).
* The geography fits very well.

[[User:KameXros|KameXros]] 17:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

== Real-world locations mentioned in the Anime: from dub or original? ==

It seems to me that some of the real-world locations mentioned in the Anime would clearly only be from the Dub. I think it's important to note this in the article somehow. [[User:Chaosakita|Chaosakita]] 07:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

== Hoenn ==

Having lived in Kyushu for about a year, I have gone around and visited some of the approximate locations that correlate with Hoenn. It would seem that the Kurokawa onsen town is correct for Lavaridge. It's southwest, at the base of Mt. Chimney, as Kurokawa Onsen is northwest in Kyushu.

Beppu seems to be the best match for Fallarbor town. The whole town is rife with geothermal activity with steam rising up all over the urban area. While it has hot springs like Aso town, there are also other forms of geothermal activity such as steam vents. Which I would assume the crater in Fallarbor is supposed to represent.

In terms of Meteor Falls, it appears that it isn't just one source of inspiration, but many. Oita prefecture is famous for both waterfalls and limestone caves. As inspiration for the cave setting, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Furen Cave. [http://www.furenshonyudo.jp/] So it would seem that Meteor Falls is a combination of both the waterfalls and limestone caves found in the Oita prefecture.

On a final note, it looks like Sootopolis City is shaped more like Yakushima Island. Ever Grande city is currently compared to Yakushima, but it seems inaccurate. As Yakushima is circular, and closer in relation to Sootopolis than Iwojima. Ever Grande city is shaped more like Okinawa Island when comparing the two. Just my two cents on what might need correction in the Hoenn section. And I'd be happy to know what everyone else thinks. ([[User:MauvilleGrovyle|MauvilleGrovyle]] ([[User talk:MauvilleGrovyle|talk]]) 02:25, 13 July 2012 (UTC))

== Fortree City: Kobayashi City, Miyazaki Prefecture? ==

Just flipping through Wikipedia and apparently there's an legend in the town involving the Suki Suspension Bridge, and since Fortree is big into their bridges, could be a match? If nobody has any significant objections I'll add it in. [[User:Rinne|Rinne]] ([[User talk:Rinne|talk]]) 16:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

== A Pokémon Center in Pokémon BW/B2W2 ==

In the Pokémon Black/White/Black2/White2 game, a [[:wikipedia:globe|globe]] is located on the second floor of any [[Pokémon Center]]s, it shows the real world, not the Pokemon world.

-- [[User:Love Krittaya|Love Krittaya]] ([[User talk:Love Krittaya|talk]]) 19:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's the Geonet, and it appears in DPPtHGSS too in the GTS/Global Terminal. It's necessary that it is the real world as it allows player's to specify their home country (and state/province) for international communication purposes. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI ==

At what point is it a good idea to add details here about Kalos/France and Lumiose City/Paris? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 03:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

==Cerulean City RL Counterpart==
In the table featured within the article, Cerulean City is said to be based on the real world Saitama City, Saitama Prefecture, Japan. Saitama City was not officially a city until 2001, several years after the 1st generation games. Cerulean was a city before Saitama existed as a city.

While you could then say that Cerulean was based on what was to become Saitama City, the geographical locations don't match either. With Maebashi and Mt Akagi (Pewter and Mt Moon) being way up in Gunma Prefecture, the scale of the map is huge. As Cerulean is much further East, but no further South, to put it down in Saitama Prefecture at all seems like a gross misplacement. The real-world counterpart would be much further East.

This makes me think it's actually a city called Tsuchiura, in Ibaraki prefecture.

Aside from this being a far more likely and accurate geographical correlation, Tsuchiura has many other points of relevance for Cerulean. Tsuchiura is famous for its massive abundance of lotus root; these plants grow and bloom in man-made lagoons - they are floating blooms. Cerulean is also mentioned as a "seaside" city, despite not being quite as far East as the sea; Tsuchiura sits right next to lake Kasumigaura, the second biggest lake in Japan, and has a seaside feel as a result, despite, as with Cerulean, not being quite as far East as the actual sea. The area that joins onto Tsuchiura, to the North East, is called Kasumigaura, possibly the inspiration for the gym leader (Kasumi) Misty. Misty's gym is located towards the bottom of Cerulean City, and Tsuchiura also has a huge gymnasium, including a complex of swimming pools and water park type features, which is located towards the bottom of the city. There are a couple of rivers that run through Tsuchiura, the largest being the river Sakura. The trainer bridge could also potentially correspond to the bridge that links Kasumigaura with Kasumigaura Fureai Land, although this is a little more speculative.

I'm aware that I could be wrong, but a great many things do seem to fit, or show a heavy similarity of being a match of some kind. Feel free to agree or disagree, but let me know what your reasons are for doing so. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 11:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

:Welcome to Bulbapedia! As for Cerulean, you seem to have done your homework. I agree with you to change Saitama to Tsuchiura. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 15:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

::Thanks. I sort of missed my point when I mentioned the Sakura river. "Sakuragawa" means "river of bloom" which isn't a huge leap from "water of flower" - similar to the unofficial but generally accepted name for the sisters at Cerulean gym in the animé. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 00:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

==Kalos Region==
I thought I'd submit some Kalos region counterparts for consideration. I haven't found a lot; just a few leads. The first is the most obvious: Lumiose City clearly corresponds to Paris. Others are less clear. I think the Tower of Mastery corresponds to Mont Saint-Michel, and Geosenge Town and the stones around it probably correspond to the Carnac Stones, or a similar site of standing stones. If anyone wants to add these or has better ideas of what these locations correspond to, feel free to add them to the page. I'm still easing back into the editing groove, so I don't feel up to adding them myself yet. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

Sakhalin is not disputed between Russia and Japan, how Sinnoh section of this article says. (Only Southern Kuril islands, including Kunashir are currently claimed by Japan).
Southern Sakhalin belonged to Japan before WWII, but now it is recognized part of Russia. [[User:Ruxax|Ruxax]] ([[User talk:Ruxax|talk]]) 23:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==
I think I may have some suggestions for what some of locations of the Kalos Region is based on.

Vaniville Town: Moulins or Nevers;

Aquacorde Town: Nevers, Bourges, or Auxere;

Santalune City: Fontainbleau or Auxere;

Camphrier Town: Orleans or Tours;

Cyllage City: St. Nazerre or Guérande;

[[User:UsagiNeko|UsagiNeko]] ([[User talk:UsagiNeko|talk]]) 04:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

== Battle Maison / Château de Chenonceau real world equivalent addition ==

I know that this article has a lot of fan speculation but I've gone ahead and added a real-world equivalent to the Battle Maison in X and Y as Château de Chenonceau. I was surprised that nobody so far has noticed the parallel between the two since the similarity is striking. Their layout as a bridge-castle is very similar and the visual style is so as well. They are also both in the same equivalent location (the Loire Valley, famous for its castles), west of Lumiose/Paris and close to Camphrier Town/Blois.{{unsigned|Almsivi}}

== Featured article disqualification ==

I have noticed that this article doesn't meet the criteria to be a featured article and I think that this should go to the candidates for removal of featured article. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 12:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
:The featured article is no long something we use. Articles that are already featured will remain featured, and no new articles will become featured. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

== Moon landing ==

In the Generation I games (and presumably the remakes as well), a woman in the Pewter museum refers to the first "lunar landing" (Apollo 11) and says that it took place on July 20,1969. Should this be added to the article? [[User:RS89|RS89]] ([[User talk:RS89|talk]]) 12:25, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:Well, since we know that this event ''really'' took place that time, then I think it should be added. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 16:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

== Floaroma Town ==

Why isn't Floaroma Town included in the Sinnoh section? It should be located just under Oreburgh Mine, however I'm still looking for it's location on Hokkaido. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:46, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I was looking at Google Earth, and the rough location would be the city of Ishikari, however, that is just what it is, a location. Is it possible that Valley Windworks should actually be listed as Floaroma Town because Tomamea is a town as well? [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Battle Zone ==

If possible, shouldn't the Battle Zone be a little more specific? i.e. Fight, Survival, Resort Area, Stark Mountain, etc. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 01:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Fukuoka is Biggest city in Kyushu, ==

BUT PETALBURG ISN'T BIGGEST CITY IN HOENN!!!!! NOT BASED ON FUKUOKA!!!!!--[[user:youngster|たんぱんこぞう]] [[user_talk:youngster|ｺﾞﾛｳ]] 01:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Location Inspiration ==

I don't know why, but for some reason, I think that the city the 18th movie takes place in is based on Chicago, mostly because the skyscraper on the left side of the poster looks a lot like Trump Tower, which is in the city. It just seems like a really good possibility that this city is based on Chicago. {{Unsigned|Harmonmj13}}

== Sea Spirit's Den ==

I wanted some agreement on this before I changed it, but I think Sea Spirit's Den is actually based on {{wp|Alderney}} and not {{wp|Jersey}}. If you compare a map of the [http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/channel-islands/map_of_channel-islands.jpg Channel Islands ] and [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8a/Kalos_alt.png Kalos] I think you will see that the 2 bigger green ones are Jersey and Guernsey, the little one is Sark and Sea Spirit's Den is Alderney. It is probably worth noting that historically the islands were part of Normandy (Northern France).

Another thing, it says that Jersey is part of the UK, this isn't correct. Jersey (and the other channel islands) have a complex relationship with the UK but they do not form part of it. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_dependencies This page] has more info on this. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 09:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

More specificly shouldn't Resort area be {{wp|Korsakovsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}}, Fight area and Survival Area in {{wp|Anivsky District}}, {{wp|Nevelsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}} or something more specific then just Sakhalin? {{unsigned|Raltseye}}

== edit war ==

You may have noticed the edit war between myself and Ratchet and Clank 1995, he/she is wrong. {{wp|British Islands}} is a legal term that unambiguously refers to the UK, Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey (the latter two are collectively the Channel Islands), as the wiki article says. He/she is right that the Channel Islands are not part of Great Britain/UK, which is why I changed it from UK to British Islands in the first place. (Originally he said he changed it because they were not part of the {{wp|British Isles}}, he/she may be right geographically but the term british isles is often used to include the channel islands)

While they are not technically part of the UK, Channel Islands are still 'British'. The inhabitants are entitled to a British passport, the queen is head of state, and the UK has responsibility for the defence and international representation of the islands. This is note worthy because they are the only non-French part of Kalos (although historically the islands were part of Normandy - Northern France). However, due to complicated reasons, it is incorrect to say they are part of the UK. 'British Islands' may be an unusual term, but it is correct and conveys that they are British without getting into complicated politics. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:Well then to be more specific they are [[wp:Crown dependencies]] officialy. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 15:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we should use the term Crown dependencies as the user Raltseye mentioned above but I'm not going to change it anymore. I have .[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:37, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

:I'm not sure about using the term 'Crown Dependences', it's a little obscure, I feel as if we would have to explain what it means and that would make us go off topic. There are pros and cons to using either 'British Isles' or 'British Islands', but I don't care anymore let's just leave it as British Isles [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

== Snowbelle ==

Likening Snowbelle City to Grenoble seems pretty unlikely as Grenoble is further south than Lyon, which is commonly accepted to be Kiloude City. It seems a lot more likely that Snowbelle is supposed to be Besançon or one of the surrounding cities such as Montbéliard, Dole or Lons-Le-Saunier, considering the region is known for cross-country skiing in the Jura mountains as well as freezing weather in the winter (the region of Jura is sometimes affectionately called "Little Siberia"). The general location fits, as well. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 17:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:I was the person to link Kiloude City to Lyon and I still believe this to be correct, one reason why I linked it was the fact that Lyon is just slightly North of the Gironde estuary which its Pokémon counterpart can be seen on the Kalos map so they seem to match. You have made a valid point that Grenoble is too far south so I agree with you and that Snowbelle cannot possibly be based on Grenoble's location. I would say go ahead and change Grenoble to Besançon as it does seem to fit and the fact that it's called "Little Siberia" could go in the notes section as it actually seems relevant.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::I edited it. Further reading for reference : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extreme_temperatures_in_France , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouthe . To be fair, Snowbelle itself doesn't resemble Besançon much, but as it's the largest city in Franche-Comté and the capital of the infamously cold Doubs department, it seems fair. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 14:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

== Kenya ==

I'm tired of seeing all of you edit warring over something so small without anyone bothering to open a discussion, so instead I'm starting a discussion on it. Personally, I don't see the problem with adding something on the end along the lines of "Kenya is also the name of a mountain in the country of Kenya, Mount Kenya, from which the country derives its name." I don't think it would hurt to add a small line on like that, especially considering that it is in fact where the name originates. Yes, the Spearow is probably named after the country, but the country itself is named after the mountain. '''[[User:Slimey01|slimey]][[User talk:Slimey01|01]]''' 13:32, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
:There was a discussion, on my talk page, where I clearly said that the country is the most likely reference. The mountain is irrelevant in this case since it's not something one would immediately think of. I've already made it clear, but Ratchet is just being stubborn.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
::To point out even more, 4 users total were involved in the discussion, with 3 of the 4 agreeing that the country is the first (if not only) thing most people would think of. As Force Fire said, these wars are the result of one person with the strong belief that their opinion outweighs the majority of other opinions expressed, which at this point I will no longer be dealing with reverting, leaving it for staff members to deal with. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:08, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I would however think of the mountain and so would a lot of other people. Kenya is also a name that has been used in the USA since the 1960s so the Spearow could just have the name Kenya. There is one issue with that point which is the other points actually say a location this Spearow just happens to have the name Kenya which doesn't mention the location, the only way it could would be if the guard said that he named it after the country and that would be the mention not the name itself.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
::::You wouldn't be saying that if you didn't know that the mountain existed or there are people named Kenya. You're only using that because you've just looked that up and are trying to justify yourself. I didn't know about the mountain or people named Kenya, but now that I do know, I still think the country is the first thing that comes to mind. No common person is going to know either the mountain or people named Kenya, because the country is much more significant than the two. I've already told you to let this go, and you are clearly not listening. This discussion is close and the decision is final.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:17, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::What, I knew about the mountain way before this, in school my class did a project about Kenya in 2006 so myself and everyone who was in the same class knows about Mount Kenya. Every Kenyan probably knows about the mountain and the fact that their country is named after it. You said that no one would know about the name Kenya, people who know people called Kenya would know about it being used as a name. It's just a guess that it is named after Kenya as no other information is provided and as a result my decision is final and the whole point stays off.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 00:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::And per usual, you completely missed what I said. I said no '''common''' person is going to know the mountain or people named Kenya, of course people living in Kenya (and geographers, for that matter) are going to know the mountain. But everyone else, no... just no. You are in no position to say what the final decision is, I've already said no but you're clearly not listening.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:52, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Thinking about it, after all of this discussion you have only been able to say it is "most likely the country" and haven't provided any evidence to say that it actually certainly does mention the country. As there is no certain way of knowing whether it actually mentions the country it should be left out because the Spearow just has a nickname which has been a name in the USA since the 1960s whereas all of the other points has a character actually say a place. By this logic of "most likely" couldn't we say Ash's Charizard is most likely male because of its relationship with Charla and the fact that homosexual and bisexual Pokémon have not been confirmed to exist in the anime. If we go by that logic Charizard's page should just say it's male. Ask random Pokémon fans what gender they think Charizard is and they probably all think male. This site seems to have it both ways in the case of genders it has to be explicitly stated whereas in this instance it doesn't it's just a name the guard didn't say that he named it after the country. I really don't see any difference but you admins have it both ways when it suits you,

:::::::'''HYPOCRISY!!!!!'''[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Using your logic, ask any random joe about what they think of when they hear "Kenya", they'll tell you the country. You have been told to drop this by not only me, but by Kogoro as well. So for the last time, drop it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
(resetting indent)You didn't even argue against my point about the fact that you are only using "most likely" the country. In your argument about Pangoro's slash you made it very clear that assumptions should not be made yet you are doing exactly that on this article. As I mentioned Ash's Charizard is most likely male and it's page doesn't state male so why when there is no explicit information stating that the country is mentioned is this allowed but in order for a Pokémon's gender to be confirmed it must be explicitly stated. Why don't you drop it and just allow the point to be removed because it doesn't add much to the page and it doesn't actually mention it as it's only a name that has been used since the 1960s so they could have just called it Kenya.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

== Anville Town ==

I noticed under the Unova section nobody put the equivalent to Anville Town. There's nothing much to actually do in Anville, but I believe there still has to be a real-life counterpart to it. I was speaking with my mother about this, and she grew up in Queens so she knows New York and Northern New Jersey like the back of her hand. I grew up in Bergen County, so I know a bit about it too. I asked her exactly what Anville Town would be based off of based upon its location, and we came to the conclusion that it is the equivalent to Morristown, NJ. Morristown is known for its train station and one of its stops transits right into the 59th Street's station (which is what Nimbasa is based off of).
Yay or nay? {{unsigned|MeruNoUta}}

== Spear Pillar ==

Mt. Asahi is the highest peak in Hokkaido, as Spear Pillar is the highest peak in Sinnoh. Mt. Asahi's location relative to the rest of Hokkaido is also close to Spear Pillar's location relative to the rest of Sinnoh. Can I say that Spear Pillar was based on Mt. Asahi? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:This is a change I was going to suggest as well. Based on Mt. Coronet's layout as you near the peak and what you can see of the surrounding terrain, Mt. Asahi looks to be a very close match to Spear Pillar. It's also in the correct geographical position, and it works uncannily well in locating the Sinjoh Ruins (or at least where ''I'' think they are). [[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 06:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

== Decolore Islands ==

I noticed that the region hasn't been added yet, along with the Orange Islands. As a resident of Connecticut, I believe the the Decolore Islands are most likely based on the Thimble Islands. They are located close to New York, the area Unova itself is based on. Additionally, many of the Decolore Islands are not populated and instead used as nature preserves, similar to the major university-owned Thimble Islands used for ecological studies. However, a few islands in the Thimbles are built up considerable, such as Money Island. This is similar to the Unnamed Island in BW138. [[User:Manqoba|Manqoba]] ([[User talk:Manqoba|talk]]) 15:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:With all due respect, I think your perception of likelihood may be influenced by home-state bias. Looking at a map, the Thimble Islands hug Connecticut ''very'' closely, far from the border with New York, and ''very'' far from any part of New York that Unova is based on. I think this is a case of confirmation bias, sorry. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Assuming that Oblivia is in fact based on the Oki Island, here is what I believe to be the relation:
*Dolce Island is Chibu
*Renbow Island and Mitonga Island form the two halves of Nishinoshima
*Sophian Island is Okinoshima (transposed a bit)
But Faldera, Layuda and Tilikule have no real-world counterpart. [[User:Ifni400|Ifni400]] ([[User talk:Ifni400|talk]]) 23:51, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Images and Mystery Dungeon ==

I have two questions, 1. Why is it that only the three latest regions have a compairing image to the corresponding real world location? Also both Unova's and Kalos' as well as Almia's image all have the real world location above it while Alola's is located beneeth. Why? 2. Isn't the Mystery Dungeon world based on somewhere in the world or is it just made out of the air so to speak. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 11:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Blackthorn City, Dragon's Den and Ice Path ==

Northeastern Johto is not an easy area to pin down, but I think I've found something that accurately depicts the Blackthorn area. I can tell people have already made a significant effort to locate these places, so I don't want to make any changes to their contributions without talking about them first.

First off, I don't think there's much significance between Clair's Japanese name, Ibuki, and the suggested Dragon's Den, Mt. Ibuki. Ibuki means "breath", and is often associated with a strong will, impulsive behavior and over-sensitivity; this seems to fit Clair pretty well. In GSC, the TM she awards you with is Dragonbreath, or Ryu-no-ibuki in the JP version, another possible origin of her name. I'm sorry, but I'm really starting to doubt her name was inspired by the mountain believed to have the had the world's heaviest snowfall in recorded history, so I don't think there's much supporting that mountain as the location of Dragon's Den. However, given the mountain's close proximity to "Mahogany" and "Lake of Rage" and its own icy history, I think it's a strong candidate for the entrance to Ice Path.

The next thing I want to critique is the Blackthorn-Shirakawa theory. The main thing that made me look into this is that Shirakawa is significantly far away from where you'd expect to find it relative to the other locations we've found, and unlike the the questionable relationship between Cherrygrove/Violet, Shirakawa is also very far away from every other location we've found (it's the most isolated location in all of real-world Johto/Kanto to date). Additionally, Shirakawa is famous for its nearly-uniform gasshō-zukuri, but these designs aren't reflected in Blackthorn's new buildings even though Violet and Ecruteak received makeovers that match Nara and Kyoto.

Okay, now for my suggestions. I think Blackthorn is Kai/Kofu, Yamanashi; Ice Path (exit) is the oft-hypothesized Narusawa Ice Cave, Yamanashi; and Dragon's Den is Kanazakura-jinja Shrine, Yamanashi.

My first lead came when I saw a "Did You Know" on the Smash Bros series; during development the first game was called "Dragon King: Fighting Game" and featured a striking picture of a low-rise neighborhood with Mt Fuji (Mt Silver) in the background. The video claimed the game's name came from that neighborhood, which just so happened to be where HAL Laboratory was located, and that the picture was taken by a certain programmer I'll name later. This all piqued my interest, so I started digging. The town's name was Ryūō, with a population around 40,000 (right on the low end of other towns believed to inspire other towns up to this point), and it was merged with several other towns into Kai in 2004 (after the release of GSC). Geographically, it's a strong match for Blackthorn, surrounded by mountains and with Fuji standing prominently to its Southeast; the biggest issue is that it's tightly clustered with a number of significant cities. Then I zoomed out, and I realized the broader Kofu basin is a very close match to the birds-eye view shape of Blackthorn (use Earth mode to make this more apparent). According to legend, the Kofu basin used to be a lake until Kami pushed on of the mountains aside and the lake drained to the south; this southerly river-valley is clearly visible from a map and could explain the river in Blackthorn and Route 45 in HGSS.

Okay, so Dragon's Den. Kanazakura-jinja Shrine is just north of Kai, it prominently features a pair of dragons, the "rising and falling dragons", and one carries a fire crystal and the other a water crystal. The translations from their website are a little wonky, but it sounds like these dragons symbolize the reconstruction of the main shrine after it collapsed in a 1953 fire (there's also some visible damage to the Den in HGSS), with the dragons drawing attention to fire above and water below. Rising and falling dragons, fire above/water below... I think this symbolism is an interesting parallel to Dragon's Den and the lava-filled Gym located directly above it, and what was the name of that Gym's badge? Rising. Also, the Shrine wasn't all that burned; most of the Kofu basin was destroyed in a night-time air raid in 1945. Combined, these fires may have inspired Blackthorn's name, Fusube, or black smoke.

Anyone who's still reading has probably already encountered the idea that Narusawa Ice Cave corresponds to Ice Path, so I'll just say Kai/Kofu is sandwiched neatly between the Cave and the Shrine. Also, an Ibuki/Naursawa fused Ice Path may serve as a "portal" of sorts to cover the long distance between Koka/Mahogany and Kai.

Finally, earlier I mentioned HAL's R&D center in Kai and a certain programmer. We know that GameFreak has a habit of featuring themselves in the Pokemon games, but what about guest programmers? Well, HAL may not have worked on GSC directly, but their then-president did! Satoru Iwata famously helped development along through graphical compression (he's directly attributed with freeing up enough space on the cartridges to add the Kanto region to the games), so where might he be in Blackthorn? The Move Deleter, of course! Iwata freed up space on the carts, the MD frees up space on your Pokemon; considering everything else, I find this to be more than mere coincidence.

Any one of these location changes might not be very persuasive on their own, but I think they're pretty compelling when taken altogether. What do you guys think about these possible changes in our listed locations?[[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 07:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

== Lake Valor ==

The article currently says that Lake Valor is based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Kussharo Lake Kussharo], which is closer to Abashiri (Veilstone) than Kushiro (Pastoria). However, I think the lake might be based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Akan Lake Akan]. Although Lake Akan is much smaller and doesn't have the same shape (round with an island in the middle), its location corresponds to Lake Valor's location much better than Lake Kussharo, and there is a small resort village on its southern shore.

[[User:ILoveArceus|ILoveArceus]] ([[User talk:ILoveArceus|talk]]) 21:33, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

== Kahoolawe??? ==

How is [[Exeggutor Island]] based off of Kahoolawe? Kahoolawe is southwest of Maui (& is in Maui County), which is what Akala is based off of, not Kauai. {{User|BoygeyMario}}
:Geographically, Exeggutor Island is Niihau, but if you read the notes, it says that it is uninhabited by humans like Kahoolawe.[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 19:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Azoth Kingdom and England or Italy ==

In the design of the Azoth Kingdom, there are elements that refer to the industrial revolution and Steampunk design, if we take into account that Volcanion is based in part on a steam engine, which was created in England, it would be possible for the Azoth Kingdom it was near north north of Kalos or in England itself.

But if we take into account that Nikola is based on Da Vinci, the kingdom could be on the border between Kalos and some equivalent to Italy in the Pokemon World.

¿What do you think?

[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 9:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
:It seems to me that going by anything other than the architecture itself would be too speculative. Many (dare I say most?) places in the Pokemon world include elements/characters based on things from other places than what the location itself was based on. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

::I said it because Magearna and Volcanion are based on the industrial revolution. [[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 11:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Galar Region ==

So the Galar Region has just been announced for Pokemon Sword and Shield, and I know there were rumours before the announcement that it would be based off of the UK, so as a Briton myself, I've tried to verify that/match the locations. The industrial and farming focus definitely suits the UK, and I can see a structure that looks like the Palace of Westminster in the Icy Northern City, suggesting the island is flipped North to South (and possible East-West as well).

Based on this, looking at the red-brick city in which the starters are shown, with its industrial nature, canal leading to the sea and bordering mountains, I think that it represents Manchester, which would mean that the city by the wall where the ice starts would be Birmingham, although none of it's features match.

It's also possible the city on the sea is Liverpool, due to being on the coast between Manchester and Birmingham.

The industrial City being Manchester also fits with the lakes South of it, which would represent the Lake District
These cities would suggest that the region represents just England, rather than the whole of the UK.

Just some preliminary ideas, we shall have to wait for more information before confirming anything. {{unsigned|ZiggyAngelo8}}

:Well here is some information I've tried to put but Wiki-maniacs here can't live with them until they are officially confirmed(like we ever needed official confirmation anyway) :P

:[[Galar]] is based on {{wp|Great Britain}}. Galar's outline is of a vertical flipped Great Britain, though the climate isn't flipped(cold north and warm south), ideally making the London based city snowy and Manchester/Liverpool based one warm.

:[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 21:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

::I could argue that Galar also reminds me of a Scandinavian country, which it actually does. Game Freak may throw us in a loop, which is why sourcing is absolutely important when making a claim like this. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:06, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

:::Well, it's actually a vertically ''and horizontally''-flipped Great Britain (or how Great Britain looks from the North).
:::It's most definitely based on Great Britain, London is at the top of the region with the London Eye, Big Ben/Parliment, and tower is based off, what I assume, is the {{wp|The Gherkin}}. The general shape and edges match up well too.
:::The steampunk town with the "clocktower" is based on Edinburgh, in some of its features and geographical position.[[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 00:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
::::Well, we should still wait for an official confirmation. This info is already being hidden in other articles by admins. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::We also can't really add any locations in the Galar Region to this list without know the names of the locations. Putting something like the Edinburgh town as "Steampunk Town" doesn't really scream "professional editing". [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 00:48, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
::::::Agreed. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:07, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

:I think that the region is only based in England, since there are no references to its neighboring regions (Scotland and Wales), and that the region is set backwards, with London in the north

:[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 7:42, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

::The region would be way too small if the region was just composed of England.
::Traced out the shape of GB and Galar, Galar is at such a weird angle but you can still make out geographical details. It seems the pointy ends of Wales that jut out are almost nonexistent in Pokemon. Image: https://imgur.com/6VNe7QM
::(Somebody also leaked some '''''major''''' general game spoilers last week, one detail was that Galar is based on Great Britain.) https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/37621165 [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 04:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

: Discussions about whether or not Galar is based on UK are also important, but I think someone should change the first paragraph from "The designs of seven of the major Pokémon regions—Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, and Alola—are strikingly similar in geography and demographics to regions in the real world, and sometimes even officially stated to be based on certain locations. The first four regions are based on smaller regions in Japan, while Unova and Alola are based on parts of the United States and Kalos is based on France. It is stated that the inspiration for Orre is Phoenix, Arizona." to "The designs of eight of the major Pokémon regions—Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, Alola, and Galar—are strikingly similar in geography and demographics to regions in the real world, and sometimes even officially stated to be based on certain locations. The first four regions are based on smaller regions in Japan, while Unova and Alola are based on parts of the United States and Kalos is based on France. It is stated that the inspiration for Orre is Phoenix, Arizona." [[User:Kimichael4317|Kimichael4317]] ([[User talk:Kimichael4317|talk]]) 05:49, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

: Personally, I think that if Edinburgh were in the game, Edinburgh Castle would feature somehow, and additionally, if the red-brick city were to be based on a Scottish city, it's more likely to be Glasgow, which is both bigger than Edinburgh and more associated with industry.

: Having said this, I still believe that the region only represents England, as a lack of landmarks resembling Aberdeen or Inverness would mean that, if Scotland is included, it's only half of it, which would be a strange decision; furthermore, if the red-brick city were Glasgow, that would mean virtually all of England, 60% of Great Britain, would be condensed into about 1/4 of the region. {{unsigned|ZiggyAngelo8}}

:: They condensed most of Northern metropolitan France into a few cities and towns in Kalos, why can't they do the same with Galar?
::The coastlines between GB and Galar match up pretty closely, except Wales loses it "edginess". The map doesn't really paint an accurate picture of what the region contains, as it isn't really a 1:1 representation of the whole contents of the region, making it so we're unable to see all of buildings within the Steampunk area (Not even the regions are on complete a 1:1 with their IRL counterparts).
::Heck, since there isn't a town or city to the left near the steampunk area, they might've meshed Edinburgh and Glasgow into one city. They've already done towns that had elements from multiple locations and made them into one in-game location. [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 17:07, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

:Having seen the Galar Map flipped to match Great Britain as closely as possible, it definitely seems like the Port Town is at least in the same location as Liverpool/Birkenhead or possibly Blackpool. I had originally thought the lakes must be the Lake District, hence the industrial city would have to be Manchester (or Leeds or Newcastle, looking at it flipped, although, as Argentarus said, it could be all 3 combined), or the lakes could represent the Caledonian Canal and the Lochs it runs through, though those could be represented by the river and lake in the starting town. Also, I had theorised that the fairy town by the big wall could be representative of Nottingham and Sherwood Forest, as this is near the Birmingham Metropolitan Area in real life, which still seems likely as the walled grey city. {{unsigned|ZiggyAngelo8}}

:This video explains why the starting town is most likely in the Dumfries and Galloway region of Scotland [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMe3kM_ETio]

Talk:Pokémon world in relation to the real world/Archive 1

2019-03-01T21:36:18Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Galar Region */

==Cinnibar==
It's quite possible that Cinnibar is a part of the Sevii Islands, as Midway Island, for instance, is technically a part of the Hawaiian chain. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 19:26, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Shinnou==
Where did that information come from that Shino is based on Hokkaido? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:Because, you gotta look at the released Corocoro scans from this month ==[[User:Jason|Jade]] 2.56pm, 14 June 2006 (AEST)

::And what do you know about Japanese geography, eh? Could be Hokkaido - but the mountain chain makes me suspect Hokuriku - which is on the west side of the Japanese Alps. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:::To anyone who wishes to edit this page so as to state that Hokkaido has been confirmed - learn Japanese beforehand and refrain from counting on unofficial web sites. CoroCoro only referred to Shin'ō as an island similar to Hoenn - that leaves Shikoku and Hokkaido. It is plain to see that the map, which has been largely revealed to us, takes the shape of Hokkaido. It is for this that some web sites such as Filb.de claim it to be based on Hokkaido as if it were confirmed.

:::Unlike Zhen Lin, I am absolutely confident in the veracity of Hokkaido. Even so, the correct wording is to be used at the very least until a full map has been obtained. Hoenn was confirmed to have been modeled after Kyūshū not long after Ruby and Sapphire had seen release. That said, Sevii Islands and Orre have thus far remained in the realm of speculation - but at least we have the resources provided by the games. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]

::::What about the orange islands and fiore? [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 14:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I mean look at Sinnoh's shape...

Funny thing about orre...(get it?Orrezona((Arizona and Orre)).).

--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 06:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

==Indian elephants==
Hm. I was flipping through my FireRed game the other day, and there's lots of Indian elephants mentioned in the Pokedex entries... is this worth mentioning? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] 02:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Pikachu's power? Definately. --[[User:Kyoufu Kawa|Kyoufu Kawa]] 18:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Noah's ark==
I was watching ''[[EP016|Pokémon Shipwreck]]'' and i noticed that brock tells about noah and the ark. Can we put that somewhere? --[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 22:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:: What the heck does that have to do with geography? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:::It doesn't, it has to do with history of our world [[User:Count Caterpie|Count]] [[User talk:Count Caterpie|Caterpie]] 23:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Wrong again. It has to do with the mythology of our world, not history. You shouldn't too much into it, anyway, it was just a cop out. They didn't feel like making a whole new religion for the series, so they stole the most readily available one.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 14:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== About the real world locations mentioned section... ==

some of these things just have to go. The Fantina dialogue thing doesn't really have anything to do with it since that only happened immediately before the battle, not when you first encounter her at the contest hall or after you beat her. Besides, she could have just been using a fake accent. I mean, [[Blue (Game)|Blue]] was using a french accent when he fought you on the St. Anne, and the last time I checked, he never visited France or anything, never spoke in that accent prior to it, and immediately dropped the accent right after you beat him. Also, i doubt that an Indian elephant should count towards a real world location (maybe real world animal, but definitely not a real world location.)

anyways, thats all for now.

~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

Actually Fantina says something about moving to Hearthrome(spelling might be wrong) City before the battle.I am not sure but I think that backs up that she is from France

~~Starfire~~

Just because she said that she moved to hearthrome city doesn't necessarily mean that she was from France. I mean, if she explicitly stated that she was from France (or canada, even), then yes, that would have merit. But she never really said where she moved from. she only gave a vague mention of another country. I mean, for all we know, she could have just as easily come from the Orange or sevii Islands (I think of the Sevii Islands as an entirely seperate place than an actual region considering how it and Kanto seem to have somewhat of a feud before you arrived that wouldn't be of this scale if it was a region.], or Heck, even Orre (they seemed to imply through a news report in colosseum that it has entirely different regions due to the fact that they mentioned that several regions were attacked by [[Shadow_Pokemon|Abnormal Pokemon]], and since Kanto/Johto/Hoenn never even referenced being attacked by them, that seems to imply that it is an entirely different country in and of itself.).

I mean if you wish, go ahead, but I just want to say that I'm not too sure about that. I mean, if she was explicitly said to have come from france (like the Trainer dex in Pokemon FRLG said about Lt. Surge [I don't count the "Lightning American" thing as evidence that he is American since Some of the Gym Leaders were given similar nicknames even though they really don't have any corollation with each other (Tomboyish Mermaid, Elegant Princess, among others comes to mind [Misty's not a mermaid because she doesn't have a fish tail, she doesn't sit on rocks to comb her hair {her hair is very short, anyways}, and she never really stated that she was a Mermaid or related to them. As for Erika, she never really said that she was related to any royal family.].).].) then, yes, Go on ahead.

But since she never really stated that she was from France (her speaking french doesn't count since 1. she seemed to be faking it since the only time she ACTUALLY spoke french was when you meet up with her, which she drops when she is close to losing, and 2. Even IF she was actually able to speak french, that doesn't mean she is from France. remember, Canada, Jamacia as well as some african countrys speak French as part of their language.), we shouldn't say that she was from France.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

== Regarding the map... ==

The map is veerrryyy wrong! It should be like this: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1206/japanforonceandforeverdz3.png
Or maybe this is clearer: http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4092/japanys0.png
Please people, it's a common made mistake, but it isn't that hard to see, is it?

Zig

== Deoxys reference ==

The "North Pole" doesn't necessarily have to be a reference to a real-world location. Every planet has a north and south pole. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 20:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Antarctica or North Pole? ==

I'm confused. I could have sworn that Deoxys landed in Antarctica, yet this article says it's the North Pole. Could someone clarify? [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|Jirachi]][[User talk:JirachiWishmaker0802|Wishmaker0802]] 10:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:It's possible different tellings of the franchise have different landing spots for Deoxys. For all we know, had [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] reached Hoenn, Deoxys could have crashed in downtown {{wp|Honolulu, Hawaii}} in that telling. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

::You know, I think we should eliminate it from the references section, as the term "North pole" doesn't necessarily hint at Antartica. Besides, Antartica isn't even the North Pole, if anything, it's more the exact opposite term. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

==Could someone update the map?==

Almia should be included, as it's attached to Sinnoh. {{unsigned|LynnCreed}}

no almia's place should not be part of the main map because it is just a side game. almia should be in a "side game's map". Maybe that small part will be part of another generation game! do you have absolute proof from the developers of the game? i think not! plus if there is no mention of the national pokedex, then almia is in a different nation. since the main games are one nation, most likely the geography is influenced by japan, there are no separate nations inside what is similar to japanese land. you cannot be too sure until it is 100% proven. plus almia is just a small area of land similar to most things to the world right now. it can be part of the area of northern africa and mediterranean sea. also the games state that they are far away from the main pokemon games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

== Game Systems ==

Would that be a reference to the real world because they are made in the real world? {{unsigned|Midnight Blue}}

== {{wp|Harlan County, Kentucky}} ==

In my sperpetic,Oreburgh reminds me around my home County, Harlan County , also the mines.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 23:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Your what?--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::Lots of places have mines. He means ''perspective''. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::There's pretty much no chance that a Japanese game is referring to your home county. There are many more notable mining areas, many in Pennsylvania, for example. I'm sure there's even more in Japan that are more likely. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 23:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::True, but then again, the Metal Gear series was a Japanese game (it was made in Japan, and was originally intended to be Japanese exclusive), and yet most of it's locations were anywhere BUT Japan (In fact, the only REAL Japanese references that was in the MG games was Master Miller, Akiba, "Kuwabara, Kuwabara", and the Tsuchinoko from "Snake Eater", which is pretty lacking anyways.). Heck, Sootopolis's geography was inspired by Santorini, Greece. For all we know, Harlan County could have served as a minor inspiration. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::As someone from Bullitt County, Kentucky, I'm going to have to say that such a claim is silly. We have had some form of confirmation on every other consistency. Until TPC comes out and says, "Yeah, it's totally our intention that Oreburgh be based on a county in the eastern part of a state in the US that we have almost assuredly never heard of," it's just very erroneous speculation. PS - Go MSU. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 04:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Map with Almia ==
I've made a map with Almia included. I think it's better to use this one
File:Pokemonworld.png
--Furanty 17:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I think we should keep the almia part blank.It's not even part of the main series obviously. or we could make maps of the main series and the other series separate. spinoff regions does not always relate to the main regions. Almia might be a parallel to india for all we know! plus almia does not look like it is on that part of japan but more on the southern part of sinnoh. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
: Note that the game with Almia mentions that Shinoh is nearby (hence the choice to send the Manaphy egg there). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pepe Toño Macías ==

On latinamerican dub, James' voice actor always names a real world city (mostly latin-american, but some famous world cities are mentioned to) on Team Rocket's Motto, replacing the earlier "y extender nuestro reino hasta las estrellas" with "y extender nuestro reino a [real world city]". Most latin-american capital cities has been named as well as many other important cities like Córdoba (Argentinian seconds), Acapulco or Cancún (Mexican strongest tourist region), Punta del Este (famous uruguayan city), Viña del Mar (Chilean city who host one of the most sponsored music shows on the region), etc.

He is also the main reason to include many differents countries slangs to the whole Team Rocket, mostly mexican ones because of where the dub is translated. {{unsigned|Mephisto}}

== Other Articles? ==

Is there a reason all this information is listed only here, and not on the locations individual pages? Personally I think it is relevant Trivia that, for instance, Mt. Silver is based on Mt. Fuji. [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 05:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:It's listed on some of them, mainly the regions. Sure it's interesting trivia, but we don't want the articles to be made of 100% trivia. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::True, but in some cases wouldn't you say it's relevant? For instance, Ecruteak City is based on Kyoto (not mentioned in Ecruteak's article at the moment), both cities are very old and have a lot of history. Kyoto is famous outside Japan- I'd hazard a guess at it being the second most well known Japanese city. Kyoto's history contributes to Ecruteak's role in the games. Wouldn't you say that's relevant? Violet City being based on Nara is, perhaps, less relevant, and wouldn't be very meaningful to most people using the wiki, so things like that perhaps could be skipped. But I definitely think that at least Mt. Silver/Fuji and Ecruteak/Kyoto are worth mentioning. I want to say something regarding Tokyo too, but the matter seems pretty complicated since there's no single Tokyo analogue.

::Also, just a passing thought, is it worth maybe mentioning the opposite- for places like Pacifidog town- that they are lacking in real world analogue? [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 04:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

==Regarding Hoenn==

Actually, I've done some of my own research into the correlation between Hoenn and its real-life counterpart and would like to argue that Rustboro is a much better candidate to counterpart with Fukuoka than Rustboro. The region (according to wikipedia which is the source I used) is known for its industrial and steel works, which seems pretty analogous to Rustboro's Devon Corp.

Also, Lavaridge matches up to Ōita much better than Fallabour. Ōita is closer to Beppu, the hotspring region. It's possible that whoever said Lavaridge was Aso got the two Hoenn Cities mixed up, because looking at the map of Kyushu, they're the other way around.

Kagoshima could possibly be Lilycove, as it's a bay city with a small round island in the port, which could be analogous to Mt. Pyre.

I'm not sure who wrote up the Hoenn cities part of the article, but I'd definitely argue that they didn't look closely enough at a map of Kyushu or of Hoenn, as some of them match up to other cities much better than the ones listed. Sorry to seem like a jerk, but I've done a LOT of reading online about this and it's too bad the Bulba article isn't better. I'll edit the article eventually, I'd just like a reply here first.
[[User:AutumnRain|AutumnRain]] 18:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:Sure, show us what you got. And I completely agree... Rustboro is a much better candidate than Rustboro ;) You may want to doublecheck that :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==Table Overload==
This page is mostly composed of tables, tables, and ''more'' tables. We need some actual writing in here, as well as images, or else I feel this article doesn't deserve its status as a Featured Article. It's informative, but the way it's presented simply doesn't share that information in a productive way. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 15:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:What else would you have us add? If that's all we have, it's kinda hard to add more. And it doesn't look good as a bunch of bullet points making up a whole page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::This is just an idea, but how about some free use pictures of the real-life landmarks, like {{wp|Kinkaku-ji}} (Brass Tower), {{wp|Ginkaku-ji}} (Tin tower), {{wp|Mount Fuji}} (Mt. Silver), etc.? It would be neat to see, especially if we had them side-by-side with game screenshots (or Midori Harada art? ...or anime screenshots, that would probably be better) of the Pokemon world locations. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::That would work, but we'd have to find all of the real world pictures that would look like the Harada art though. We wouldn't have to have a picture for every location though, so whatever Harada art we have we should try to find something for it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, as I edited in, we could also use anime screenshots instead of restricting ourselves to what few Harada location art there is. For example, we could do...
::::: with {{wp|File:Tokyo_Shinjuku_City_20070317.jpg|this}}
::::...Though of course all city skylines look pretty much the same, so that wouldn't be an ideal example. Just pointing out that we could go with anime art too. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would have real information explaining ''why'' these different regions and cities are counterparts to real-world areas. All of the sections simply say "x is based off x". ''Why'' are they based off those areas? Was it stated in an interview, or is there a mountain of evidence that cannot be swept aside as coincidence? Some reasoning would really help this article, and without it the whole page just seems to lack any real information, which is why I don't feel it should be Featured. I also agree with Umeko's suggestion for side-by-side comparison images, but we should definitely limit them to things that, without a doubt, can be visually-comparable. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::I do hope you saw the {{fan speculation}}
::::::at the top of the page. That is why there isn't that much evidence stated. A lot of the things were put up there, and people agreed on it. That's about how fan speculation pages work. But I do agree, we need something more. Unfortunately, that'll be hard to do, since most of it ''is'' speculation. A lot of it though, is where things are located in Japan and the anime, as seen on that map at the top of the page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Of course I noticed. Despite that (or perhaps even ''because'' of it) more information is needed to support these claims. People like knowing ''why'' things are the way they are, not just that they are. Considering the mantle of "fan speculation" is already applied to this article, then we should feel free to add more of it without worry. Now, there should be standards. There should be no doubt that there are correlations between one thing and another, and no "logical" jumps or rationalizations. The towers have the same appearance, purpose, and general history as real-world counterparts... So that could easily be considered a fact and should be elaborated on a bit. Where Orre is, for example, should have options and reasons for and against each one. This article can definitely be improved, but how is something we need to figure out. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

==Comments==
Should the sections in the various tables marked for comments be for notes on the real-world counterparts, as is currently done, or should we only write comments if there's some similarity other than geography to note between the Pokémon world and real world? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 13:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:These comments do talk about similarities. Pallet is the player's hometown, Vermilion has a large harbor, Celadon and Saffron are big cities, Cinnabar has a volcano... The comments are for links between the Pokémon world and the real world. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::Some of them aren't, like the comment for Dewford Town which only states that the real-world basis used to belong to Korea. (That one, at least, just sounds like Japan-Korea politics) [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 14:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Anyone got a clue where around real world Japan, Oblivia lies?
[[File:Oblivia artwork.png]]
Can't see any islands that look like it or anything O: All the islands are so small...{{unsigned|Saiph charon}}
:Might not be an area of Japan. Spin off game regions don't always relate to the other regions. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Milonda Island appears to be based off of Dogo Island.
Rainbow Island seems to be based off of a combination of Nishino and Nakano Islands.
Drop island appears to be based off of Chiburi Island.
They all are part of the Oki Islands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oki_Islands.png

Sopiana Island is without a doubt based off of Ulleungdo Island. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulleungdo

Thundercloud and Shikulele Island appear to be loosely based off of the Liancourt rocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks

All the islands mentioned are found in the sea of Japan north of Chugoku.--[[User:flamin entei|flamin entei]] 19:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

:'Liancourt' is what the sailors of the French ship Liancourt named the islands in 1849. There is an older and correct name called Dokdo which was derived from Usando, a name used since AD 512 .[[User:Kimichael4317|Kimichael4317]] ([[User talk:Kimichael4317|talk]]) 05:57, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

== I dont think this is one of the best bulbapedia articles ==

Ive seen dozens more "Other applications of real-world locations" in the anime and that needs to be added.--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:So, um, go for it? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah Im getting there lol.Going to take a while to remember and view all of them that I know of.
Im just very surprised Im the first one to put one in that has appeared in the tv anime series.
--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Regice ==

In pokemon Emerald, Regice's pokedex entry mentions Antartic ice. --[[User:Pkmn master|pkmn master]] 11:12, 14 Febuary 2010 (UTC)

== Map of Side Games ==

I know that the side games are more difficult to place, as far as true geographic regions go (if they even exist), but in the article itself, it mentions Orre as "[bearing] striking resemblance to the Gunma Prefecture of Japan in shape, which would place Orre north of Kanto and Johto." I think this is relevant to include on ''a'' map, although it doesn't have to be the one at the top of the page.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 21:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

we should keep a map of the side games separate from the map with the main games. side games are not really canon with the main games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
:The Pokemon Ranger series of games are canon, Colosseum games, as well, however, seeing how that game contained Manaphy, which needed to be downloaded into DP, and the fact that they have direct connectivity to the main games. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Just because they're canon (which is, I believe, debatable) doesn't mean they all correspond to locations in Japan like the others. And if they don't relate to each other, making a map for them's gonna be pretty hard. On a side note, I think the Orre connections are quite a stretch, and there should at least be comparisons between Orre locations and Arizona alongside the comparisons to Japan. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::lets just separate the maps then. the region on where the side game's area is on might be filled in by a later generation's region, the side game's region might not be in japan because they look like most other areas in the real world and the side region is not part of the main games. even though you can get manaphy in pokemon ranger does not mean that that game is canon. it just means that you can get manaphy from that game. Question- how does almia fit next to sinnoh? almia looks nothing like the tail of hokkaido which is sinnoh's real world counterpart. Almia does not look like it is in the south part of sinnoh either. If sinnoh is the pokemon counterpart of hokkaido shouldn't the center of almia be filled with land? {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

::::If they weren't canon, then there wouldn't be any connectivity, period. Absolutely no ties to the main games whatsoever is the very definition of not canon. That, as well as not even being made by the same people, period. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::sorry to give you an example of another franchise but what about the naruto anime? all of it's filler arcs are noncanon and it has something to do with the characters. plus it is made by the same company who does the rest of the anime. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

==Orre Section Revamp==
I'm sorry, but the section on Orre DEFINITELY needs work. so far it has only three locations listed, and those are listed with the presupposition that Orre is in fact based on a region of Japan. I did some research into Arizona and the surrounding area and found some more noticeable parallels.

Phenac City is obviously based on Phoenix, Arizona, for the reasons listed in the article already.

Mt. Battle could be based on Humphreys Peak, the highest point in Arizona. While it's not a volcano like Mt. Battle, neither is the Gunma Prefecture of Japan a desert. That said, Humphreys Peak also lands in the right place relative to other locations.

Pyrite Town could be based on Yuma, Arizona, which formerly housed a large prison facility (which fits in with both the Pyrite Town jail and the high crime rate in that section of Orre).

Agate Village was hard to find, but I eventually settled on the little town of Oatman, Arizona. Oatman lies right along Route 66, and, as with many towns along that route, has seen better days. While it doesn't appear as fertile as Agate Village, I thought the history of this mountain town fit in with the fact that the population of Agate Village is mostly elderly, with the young moving to the cities instead.

In terms of locations from XD, I widened my search to include locations not specifically in Arizona. I placed Gateon Port at the well-known city of San Diego, California.

Citadark Isle seems to correspond with Isla Guadelupe, a volcanic island off the coast of Baja California.

I don't know how this should be incorporated into the article, but I do believe at least some of this information needs to go there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, Gunma Prefecture isn't a desert, but then again, Floaroma Town isn't a flowerfield in real life, it is a desert. Anyways, I also don't recall Arizona being so barren that animals are even scarcer than water (which in Orre, apparently Pokémon actually are that scarce, at least in Colosseum.). I do doubt that it's near the Gunma Prefecture, but I also doubt that its supposed to be Arizona. Also, even going beyond Arizona, most of the locations don't match up. Citadark Island is on the opposite side of the real life location. Not to mention that San Diego isn't anywhere near that location. Maybe the old Colosseum map might have been based off of Arizona, but going by XD, it's not based off of Arizona or even the Southwestern United States/Mexican area, for that matter. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

::My bad about XD locations; I don't have the game, so it's hard to verify where they go (especially based on the few low quality Orre maps you can find). But nonetheless, the Orre section needs to change or be removed. The similarities listed are a real stretch (Outskirt Stand based on an archaeological site? I doubt it.), and besides, I thought Fiore's section was removed because it was a side game location. Should the same be done for Orre, perhaps with Phenac City moved to the section on non-Japanese influences? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

:: there are no major deserts in japan (if you count the tottori sand dunes then yes but they are in the south of japan). if the fiore section is removed because it was a side game then we should remove orre. plus the state of arizona is not bordered by an ocean or something large like that water area near gateon port {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

:::...What about the Gulf of California? It doesn't have to be shaped EXACTLY like the state, it can also include nearby regions. [[User:Taknamay|Taknamay]] 14:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::::Made a comparison pic to demonstrate Taknamay's point http://i.imgur.com/57Wlq9J.png.
::::That terrain matches almost exactly. And they said Phoenix, Arizona was the inspiration, so seems like a pretty open and shut case to me. Since some of the other regions like Almia have a comparison image, we could use that one. Unfortunately I can't upload images yet so someone else would have to do it --[[User:Foxsong|Foxsong]] ([[User talk:Foxsong|talk]]) 05:46, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

==New Image==
I like how it's been aligned so the regions look more like they do in the games, but technically Hoenn's box should be a lot bigger. That southwestern island chain includes such places as Naha (the inspiration for Ever Grande City), Yonaguni (the inspiration for the Sealed Chamber), and Yaebishi (the inspiration for Mirage Island). In other words, Game Freak curled that island chain around to compress the region into a smaller space, likely for gameplay reasons. Also, it would tickle me pink for the map to include the Sevii Islands, although that might be trickier. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:sorry i couldn't find a good map like the one i had with yonaguni, yaebishi the kuril islands and sakhalin. the colors are for the third games in the generation they were first seen in (in Japan). for johto i made it into suicune's thing on it's head. the sevii islands are red for fire red. if you want me to change the colors or fix anything, please ask. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
::First of all, you should sign your comments with four tildes (~). But in regards to the map, it's wonderful! I'm not too enthralled with the color selection (a bit dull; I would have gone with green for Kanto, yellow for Johto, red for Hoenn, and purple for Sinnoh, as is used in the new HGSS Pokédex guide) but with the level of inclusion contained within this map I'm willing to let that pass. Great job! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:13, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia uses distinct color templates, such as {{template|kanto color}}, for regional coloring. If an official guide uses other colors though... maybe we should look at changing them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::ok i'll change them[[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 03:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::No, you won't. For one thing, the templates /should/ be protected. For another, changes of this nature need to go through the Editorial Board. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
but i created the original image. it says in the file history [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 23:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:And? Doesn't mean anything about the templates. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::then what should i do? should i delete the map? [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 04:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==Ecruteak Dance Theater==
A rocket grunt mentions hula dancing...reference to Hawaii possibly? He tells this to the Kimono Girl --User:xaigon_paladin 1:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah. Because it was made by the Hawaiians (technically settlers from Polynesia or something). Adding. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu's Location ==

Isshu has been said to be far away from the other regions, and screenshots of Black and White show various landmarks similar to what are found in San Francisco (Such as the Golden Gate Bridge). I feel this should be mentioned. {{unsigned|Tveye}}
:I've heard New York and I've heard Hong Kong. Let's leave it at "some place really far away that might not be Japan" until the games are released and we can make more informed choices. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== propaganda. ==
Tsushima was an island of Korea before 1945; the old name is ''Daemado''.

Tsushima doesn't belong to Korea before 1945. Bulbapedia becomes the place of dispatch of propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think it can be chalked up to being an honest mistake. All you had to do was remove it, there was no need to come here and accuse us of spreading propaganda. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 09:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I am terribly disappointed. It is to not only the guess but also malignant propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Calm down, dude. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:We don't need any nationalist crap here. Correct the mistake yourself or politely point it out.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

He is still doing propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Numbers Stations ==

Do you guys think that we should include in the Ruins of Alph location info that the "Mysterious Transmission" is based on the real world's "Numbers Stations"? These short wave radios are used by spies. http://www.archive.org/details/ird059 --[[User:Kambash|Kambash]] 20:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon world(Original Japanese version) in relation to the real world. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ponyta_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
The change in Pokedex entry is interesting. The explanation of Tokyo Tower exists in a Japanese version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

このわざをみんなはだいもんじやきとよんでいるがそりゃまちがいだ！ほんばきょうとではだいもんじとかおくりびと　よんでいるのだ！

[[Blaine]] refers {{wp|kyoto}}(Japanese city) in Generation III. It is convinced that it is erased in the non-Japanese version because it is not described in BULBAPEDIA. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 05:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== some edits ==

As we are following Revised Hepburn as a standard for romanizations in listing the locations, "Oshima" (under Sevii Islands, Knot Island, prefecture) should be spelled "Ōshima", "Nakoudojima" (under Sevii Islands, Memorial Pillar, specific location) should be "Nakōdojima", and "Meiji no Mori Minoo" (under Johto, National Park, specific location) should be "Meiji no Mori Minō".

There is also "Chubu" (right under Johto) in stead of "Chūbu", "Honshu" (right under Hoenn) in stead of "Honshū", and "Hokkaido" (right under Sinnoh) in stead of "Hokkaidō", as well as a lot of other non-Hepburn romanizations in the comment section (Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto, Oshima, Hokkaido, etc.) alongside the Hepburn ones (Kantō, Tōkaidō, Kyūshū, Hōryū-ji, etc.). I guess non-Hepburn is acceptable, as it is standard in everyday English use (mainly important cities like Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto), but I think it would probably be better to choose either one.

'''Japanese Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Chichijima (Sevii Islands, Fortune Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%88%B6%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Hahajima (Sevii Islands, Quest Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AF%8D%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Yaebishi (Hoenn, Mirage Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%AB%E9%87%8D%E5%B9%B2%E7%80%AC

'''English Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Meiji no Mori Minō Quasi-National Park (Johto, National Park): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_no_Mori_Min%C5%8D_Quasi-National_Park

Cape Nosappu (Sinnoh, Vista Lighthouse): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Nosappu

If you are still reading this, thank you for hearing me out. --[[User:Spenvdm|Spenvdm]] 12:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== The motif of Isshu is New York. ==

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html
"Junichi Masuda" is insisted on that the motif of Isshu is New York. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== "Go West Young Meowth" refereence? ==

He was in California in the [[EP070|episode]]. {{unsigned|444Zekrom}}
:That's already noted in the episode. Besides, it really wouldn't be possible for them to travel from the Kanto Region to Hollywood, California with a van, and absolutely no reference to a plane in sight (since it was heavily implied that they took a van to get there.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 09:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== How are these real world locations? ==

"In A Bite to Remember, Jessie says that Albert Einstein created the light bulb. Max corrects her, saying that Thomas Edison was the creator."

"A Rocket Grunt mentions the hula dance to a Kimono Girl while in the Ecruteak dance theater"

Ive never heard of any locations named :Albert Einstein,Thomas Edison, kimono or hula.
It seems the person who added this seems to be mistaken with pokemon in relation to real world things.
I thought this was meant to include reference to PLACES!--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 08:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:The article isn't limited to locations, but those points were in the wrong section. I created a new section for people and cultures. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
::The hula dance point disappeared. And I'm leaving for school now, so I can't do it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Side regions ==

The section is blank! Hardly fitting of a featured article. I propose noting Almia (covered above a few times) and Orre (expliclty confirmed, see the citation in the [[Orre]] article. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu ==
Not wanting to add more information as there have been issues about its origin on other pages (no pun intended). However, I would like to point out that the note about Hiun City should be in the comments column, not shoved into the specific location column like it currently is. Could an admin fix that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu seems not to exist in North American continent. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Isshu#New_Map_of_isshu.
The game freak seems to have created the continent of fictitious. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Anime=/=Games--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 19:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

The United Tower is based in United States Headquarters in New York --[[User:Angelical Master Aqua|Angelical Master Aqua]] 22:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Do you have anything to back that up, or is it just baseless speculation? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==Capitilization error in title==

One would think that a featured article would have correct capitilization in the title. In the title the letters begin with lowercase letters when they should be uppercase. This is a basic rule of writing. I suggest this to be moved to so that the title is properly capitilized. If no one responds otherwise I'll move it to a correctly capitilized page. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:I guess sence no one responded it's okay to move? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
::Okay I'm moving the article to '''Pokémon World In Relation To The Real World.''' Any objections please let me know withen five minutes. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Not only is it not acceptable to move something just because someone hasn't "answered", it also looks very retarded. Unless it's something very specific, it Does Not Get Written Like This Because It Looks Wrong. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Besides, I also think you were acting too hasty anyway, you could have contacted one of the administrators first since it would have been easier to avoid making a simple mistake like this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Well I'm sorry I thought that since no one had anwsered that it was okay. I posted three times and someone could have said something instead of ignoring my comments. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::No, your method of doing this was completely inappropriate. You don't tell people to respond within 5 minutes. You wait until at least one person responds. That's the whole point of a discussion. You can't have a discussion with yourself. I can't speak for the rest, but I can't sit around here all day watching all the talk pages. I had only noticed this discussion here after I realized what was done. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Well I sencerly apologize for the way I handled the situation and I will not do it again in the future. I just want to help edit and I'm sorry if I made more work for you on here. I don't want to look "retarded" again. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Don't worry about it. Also, I didn't call you retarded, I know my choice of words there was inappropriate but that wasn't directed at you. I apologize if I offended you. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::It's okay you are just doing your job as admin. Thank you for letting me know about my mistake. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

==Anyone think this is important??==
as no one replied to my comment before, I'm putting it again here. I'm almost 100% sure that it's a parallel world! Should we put this in the article as a possibility?--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 09:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'll put it in now. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 16:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::What are you talking about? Are you saying the Pokémon World is a parallel to our world... ? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 18:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 13:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't say it's a parallel to our world, just yet. Have we seen a region based on any part of Africa, Australia, Europe, South America? No. So, it's not parallel enough. I would say the Pokemon world is based on our world. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they aren't there! --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 17:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Official source. Inspiration origin of Unova. ==

Sootopolis City 屋久島 Yakushima 鹿児島県 Kagoshima
The landscape of Sootopolis City is based on Santorini, Greece.

There is such a description. I similarly reflect an official source.

* Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from {{wp|Brooklyn Bridge}} and {{wp|Rainbow Bridge (Tokyo)|Rainbow Bridge}}.
* Tubeline Bridge draws inspiration from the {{wp|Forth Bridge}}.
* Village Bridge draws inspiration from the old Italian bridge.
* Entralink draws inspiration from the {{wp|Tokyo Imperial Palace}}.

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Fiore ==

My proposal: Fiore could be the northern part of the Shimokita Peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimokita_Peninsula)

* Rural.
* Closest to Sinnoh (Hokkaido).
* The geography fits very well.

[[User:KameXros|KameXros]] 17:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

== Real-world locations mentioned in the Anime: from dub or original? ==

It seems to me that some of the real-world locations mentioned in the Anime would clearly only be from the Dub. I think it's important to note this in the article somehow. [[User:Chaosakita|Chaosakita]] 07:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

== Hoenn ==

Having lived in Kyushu for about a year, I have gone around and visited some of the approximate locations that correlate with Hoenn. It would seem that the Kurokawa onsen town is correct for Lavaridge. It's southwest, at the base of Mt. Chimney, as Kurokawa Onsen is northwest in Kyushu.

Beppu seems to be the best match for Fallarbor town. The whole town is rife with geothermal activity with steam rising up all over the urban area. While it has hot springs like Aso town, there are also other forms of geothermal activity such as steam vents. Which I would assume the crater in Fallarbor is supposed to represent.

In terms of Meteor Falls, it appears that it isn't just one source of inspiration, but many. Oita prefecture is famous for both waterfalls and limestone caves. As inspiration for the cave setting, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Furen Cave. [http://www.furenshonyudo.jp/] So it would seem that Meteor Falls is a combination of both the waterfalls and limestone caves found in the Oita prefecture.

On a final note, it looks like Sootopolis City is shaped more like Yakushima Island. Ever Grande city is currently compared to Yakushima, but it seems inaccurate. As Yakushima is circular, and closer in relation to Sootopolis than Iwojima. Ever Grande city is shaped more like Okinawa Island when comparing the two. Just my two cents on what might need correction in the Hoenn section. And I'd be happy to know what everyone else thinks. ([[User:MauvilleGrovyle|MauvilleGrovyle]] ([[User talk:MauvilleGrovyle|talk]]) 02:25, 13 July 2012 (UTC))

== Fortree City: Kobayashi City, Miyazaki Prefecture? ==

Just flipping through Wikipedia and apparently there's an legend in the town involving the Suki Suspension Bridge, and since Fortree is big into their bridges, could be a match? If nobody has any significant objections I'll add it in. [[User:Rinne|Rinne]] ([[User talk:Rinne|talk]]) 16:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

== A Pokémon Center in Pokémon BW/B2W2 ==

In the Pokémon Black/White/Black2/White2 game, a [[:wikipedia:globe|globe]] is located on the second floor of any [[Pokémon Center]]s, it shows the real world, not the Pokemon world.

-- [[User:Love Krittaya|Love Krittaya]] ([[User talk:Love Krittaya|talk]]) 19:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's the Geonet, and it appears in DPPtHGSS too in the GTS/Global Terminal. It's necessary that it is the real world as it allows player's to specify their home country (and state/province) for international communication purposes. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI ==

At what point is it a good idea to add details here about Kalos/France and Lumiose City/Paris? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 03:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

==Cerulean City RL Counterpart==
In the table featured within the article, Cerulean City is said to be based on the real world Saitama City, Saitama Prefecture, Japan. Saitama City was not officially a city until 2001, several years after the 1st generation games. Cerulean was a city before Saitama existed as a city.

While you could then say that Cerulean was based on what was to become Saitama City, the geographical locations don't match either. With Maebashi and Mt Akagi (Pewter and Mt Moon) being way up in Gunma Prefecture, the scale of the map is huge. As Cerulean is much further East, but no further South, to put it down in Saitama Prefecture at all seems like a gross misplacement. The real-world counterpart would be much further East.

This makes me think it's actually a city called Tsuchiura, in Ibaraki prefecture.

Aside from this being a far more likely and accurate geographical correlation, Tsuchiura has many other points of relevance for Cerulean. Tsuchiura is famous for its massive abundance of lotus root; these plants grow and bloom in man-made lagoons - they are floating blooms. Cerulean is also mentioned as a "seaside" city, despite not being quite as far East as the sea; Tsuchiura sits right next to lake Kasumigaura, the second biggest lake in Japan, and has a seaside feel as a result, despite, as with Cerulean, not being quite as far East as the actual sea. The area that joins onto Tsuchiura, to the North East, is called Kasumigaura, possibly the inspiration for the gym leader (Kasumi) Misty. Misty's gym is located towards the bottom of Cerulean City, and Tsuchiura also has a huge gymnasium, including a complex of swimming pools and water park type features, which is located towards the bottom of the city. There are a couple of rivers that run through Tsuchiura, the largest being the river Sakura. The trainer bridge could also potentially correspond to the bridge that links Kasumigaura with Kasumigaura Fureai Land, although this is a little more speculative.

I'm aware that I could be wrong, but a great many things do seem to fit, or show a heavy similarity of being a match of some kind. Feel free to agree or disagree, but let me know what your reasons are for doing so. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 11:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

:Welcome to Bulbapedia! As for Cerulean, you seem to have done your homework. I agree with you to change Saitama to Tsuchiura. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 15:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

::Thanks. I sort of missed my point when I mentioned the Sakura river. "Sakuragawa" means "river of bloom" which isn't a huge leap from "water of flower" - similar to the unofficial but generally accepted name for the sisters at Cerulean gym in the animé. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 00:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

==Kalos Region==
I thought I'd submit some Kalos region counterparts for consideration. I haven't found a lot; just a few leads. The first is the most obvious: Lumiose City clearly corresponds to Paris. Others are less clear. I think the Tower of Mastery corresponds to Mont Saint-Michel, and Geosenge Town and the stones around it probably correspond to the Carnac Stones, or a similar site of standing stones. If anyone wants to add these or has better ideas of what these locations correspond to, feel free to add them to the page. I'm still easing back into the editing groove, so I don't feel up to adding them myself yet. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

Sakhalin is not disputed between Russia and Japan, how Sinnoh section of this article says. (Only Southern Kuril islands, including Kunashir are currently claimed by Japan).
Southern Sakhalin belonged to Japan before WWII, but now it is recognized part of Russia. [[User:Ruxax|Ruxax]] ([[User talk:Ruxax|talk]]) 23:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==
I think I may have some suggestions for what some of locations of the Kalos Region is based on.

Vaniville Town: Moulins or Nevers;

Aquacorde Town: Nevers, Bourges, or Auxere;

Santalune City: Fontainbleau or Auxere;

Camphrier Town: Orleans or Tours;

Cyllage City: St. Nazerre or Guérande;

[[User:UsagiNeko|UsagiNeko]] ([[User talk:UsagiNeko|talk]]) 04:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

== Battle Maison / Château de Chenonceau real world equivalent addition ==

I know that this article has a lot of fan speculation but I've gone ahead and added a real-world equivalent to the Battle Maison in X and Y as Château de Chenonceau. I was surprised that nobody so far has noticed the parallel between the two since the similarity is striking. Their layout as a bridge-castle is very similar and the visual style is so as well. They are also both in the same equivalent location (the Loire Valley, famous for its castles), west of Lumiose/Paris and close to Camphrier Town/Blois.{{unsigned|Almsivi}}

== Featured article disqualification ==

I have noticed that this article doesn't meet the criteria to be a featured article and I think that this should go to the candidates for removal of featured article. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 12:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
:The featured article is no long something we use. Articles that are already featured will remain featured, and no new articles will become featured. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

== Moon landing ==

In the Generation I games (and presumably the remakes as well), a woman in the Pewter museum refers to the first "lunar landing" (Apollo 11) and says that it took place on July 20,1969. Should this be added to the article? [[User:RS89|RS89]] ([[User talk:RS89|talk]]) 12:25, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:Well, since we know that this event ''really'' took place that time, then I think it should be added. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 16:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

== Floaroma Town ==

Why isn't Floaroma Town included in the Sinnoh section? It should be located just under Oreburgh Mine, however I'm still looking for it's location on Hokkaido. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:46, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I was looking at Google Earth, and the rough location would be the city of Ishikari, however, that is just what it is, a location. Is it possible that Valley Windworks should actually be listed as Floaroma Town because Tomamea is a town as well? [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Battle Zone ==

If possible, shouldn't the Battle Zone be a little more specific? i.e. Fight, Survival, Resort Area, Stark Mountain, etc. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 01:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Fukuoka is Biggest city in Kyushu, ==

BUT PETALBURG ISN'T BIGGEST CITY IN HOENN!!!!! NOT BASED ON FUKUOKA!!!!!--[[user:youngster|たんぱんこぞう]] [[user_talk:youngster|ｺﾞﾛｳ]] 01:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Location Inspiration ==

I don't know why, but for some reason, I think that the city the 18th movie takes place in is based on Chicago, mostly because the skyscraper on the left side of the poster looks a lot like Trump Tower, which is in the city. It just seems like a really good possibility that this city is based on Chicago. {{Unsigned|Harmonmj13}}

== Sea Spirit's Den ==

I wanted some agreement on this before I changed it, but I think Sea Spirit's Den is actually based on {{wp|Alderney}} and not {{wp|Jersey}}. If you compare a map of the [http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/channel-islands/map_of_channel-islands.jpg Channel Islands ] and [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8a/Kalos_alt.png Kalos] I think you will see that the 2 bigger green ones are Jersey and Guernsey, the little one is Sark and Sea Spirit's Den is Alderney. It is probably worth noting that historically the islands were part of Normandy (Northern France).

Another thing, it says that Jersey is part of the UK, this isn't correct. Jersey (and the other channel islands) have a complex relationship with the UK but they do not form part of it. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_dependencies This page] has more info on this. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 09:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

More specificly shouldn't Resort area be {{wp|Korsakovsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}}, Fight area and Survival Area in {{wp|Anivsky District}}, {{wp|Nevelsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}} or something more specific then just Sakhalin? {{unsigned|Raltseye}}

== edit war ==

You may have noticed the edit war between myself and Ratchet and Clank 1995, he/she is wrong. {{wp|British Islands}} is a legal term that unambiguously refers to the UK, Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey (the latter two are collectively the Channel Islands), as the wiki article says. He/she is right that the Channel Islands are not part of Great Britain/UK, which is why I changed it from UK to British Islands in the first place. (Originally he said he changed it because they were not part of the {{wp|British Isles}}, he/she may be right geographically but the term british isles is often used to include the channel islands)

While they are not technically part of the UK, Channel Islands are still 'British'. The inhabitants are entitled to a British passport, the queen is head of state, and the UK has responsibility for the defence and international representation of the islands. This is note worthy because they are the only non-French part of Kalos (although historically the islands were part of Normandy - Northern France). However, due to complicated reasons, it is incorrect to say they are part of the UK. 'British Islands' may be an unusual term, but it is correct and conveys that they are British without getting into complicated politics. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:Well then to be more specific they are [[wp:Crown dependencies]] officialy. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 15:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we should use the term Crown dependencies as the user Raltseye mentioned above but I'm not going to change it anymore. I have .[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:37, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

:I'm not sure about using the term 'Crown Dependences', it's a little obscure, I feel as if we would have to explain what it means and that would make us go off topic. There are pros and cons to using either 'British Isles' or 'British Islands', but I don't care anymore let's just leave it as British Isles [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

== Snowbelle ==

Likening Snowbelle City to Grenoble seems pretty unlikely as Grenoble is further south than Lyon, which is commonly accepted to be Kiloude City. It seems a lot more likely that Snowbelle is supposed to be Besançon or one of the surrounding cities such as Montbéliard, Dole or Lons-Le-Saunier, considering the region is known for cross-country skiing in the Jura mountains as well as freezing weather in the winter (the region of Jura is sometimes affectionately called "Little Siberia"). The general location fits, as well. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 17:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:I was the person to link Kiloude City to Lyon and I still believe this to be correct, one reason why I linked it was the fact that Lyon is just slightly North of the Gironde estuary which its Pokémon counterpart can be seen on the Kalos map so they seem to match. You have made a valid point that Grenoble is too far south so I agree with you and that Snowbelle cannot possibly be based on Grenoble's location. I would say go ahead and change Grenoble to Besançon as it does seem to fit and the fact that it's called "Little Siberia" could go in the notes section as it actually seems relevant.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::I edited it. Further reading for reference : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extreme_temperatures_in_France , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouthe . To be fair, Snowbelle itself doesn't resemble Besançon much, but as it's the largest city in Franche-Comté and the capital of the infamously cold Doubs department, it seems fair. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 14:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

== Kenya ==

I'm tired of seeing all of you edit warring over something so small without anyone bothering to open a discussion, so instead I'm starting a discussion on it. Personally, I don't see the problem with adding something on the end along the lines of "Kenya is also the name of a mountain in the country of Kenya, Mount Kenya, from which the country derives its name." I don't think it would hurt to add a small line on like that, especially considering that it is in fact where the name originates. Yes, the Spearow is probably named after the country, but the country itself is named after the mountain. '''[[User:Slimey01|slimey]][[User talk:Slimey01|01]]''' 13:32, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
:There was a discussion, on my talk page, where I clearly said that the country is the most likely reference. The mountain is irrelevant in this case since it's not something one would immediately think of. I've already made it clear, but Ratchet is just being stubborn.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
::To point out even more, 4 users total were involved in the discussion, with 3 of the 4 agreeing that the country is the first (if not only) thing most people would think of. As Force Fire said, these wars are the result of one person with the strong belief that their opinion outweighs the majority of other opinions expressed, which at this point I will no longer be dealing with reverting, leaving it for staff members to deal with. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:08, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I would however think of the mountain and so would a lot of other people. Kenya is also a name that has been used in the USA since the 1960s so the Spearow could just have the name Kenya. There is one issue with that point which is the other points actually say a location this Spearow just happens to have the name Kenya which doesn't mention the location, the only way it could would be if the guard said that he named it after the country and that would be the mention not the name itself.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
::::You wouldn't be saying that if you didn't know that the mountain existed or there are people named Kenya. You're only using that because you've just looked that up and are trying to justify yourself. I didn't know about the mountain or people named Kenya, but now that I do know, I still think the country is the first thing that comes to mind. No common person is going to know either the mountain or people named Kenya, because the country is much more significant than the two. I've already told you to let this go, and you are clearly not listening. This discussion is close and the decision is final.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:17, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::What, I knew about the mountain way before this, in school my class did a project about Kenya in 2006 so myself and everyone who was in the same class knows about Mount Kenya. Every Kenyan probably knows about the mountain and the fact that their country is named after it. You said that no one would know about the name Kenya, people who know people called Kenya would know about it being used as a name. It's just a guess that it is named after Kenya as no other information is provided and as a result my decision is final and the whole point stays off.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 00:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::And per usual, you completely missed what I said. I said no '''common''' person is going to know the mountain or people named Kenya, of course people living in Kenya (and geographers, for that matter) are going to know the mountain. But everyone else, no... just no. You are in no position to say what the final decision is, I've already said no but you're clearly not listening.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:52, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Thinking about it, after all of this discussion you have only been able to say it is "most likely the country" and haven't provided any evidence to say that it actually certainly does mention the country. As there is no certain way of knowing whether it actually mentions the country it should be left out because the Spearow just has a nickname which has been a name in the USA since the 1960s whereas all of the other points has a character actually say a place. By this logic of "most likely" couldn't we say Ash's Charizard is most likely male because of its relationship with Charla and the fact that homosexual and bisexual Pokémon have not been confirmed to exist in the anime. If we go by that logic Charizard's page should just say it's male. Ask random Pokémon fans what gender they think Charizard is and they probably all think male. This site seems to have it both ways in the case of genders it has to be explicitly stated whereas in this instance it doesn't it's just a name the guard didn't say that he named it after the country. I really don't see any difference but you admins have it both ways when it suits you,

:::::::'''HYPOCRISY!!!!!'''[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Using your logic, ask any random joe about what they think of when they hear "Kenya", they'll tell you the country. You have been told to drop this by not only me, but by Kogoro as well. So for the last time, drop it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
(resetting indent)You didn't even argue against my point about the fact that you are only using "most likely" the country. In your argument about Pangoro's slash you made it very clear that assumptions should not be made yet you are doing exactly that on this article. As I mentioned Ash's Charizard is most likely male and it's page doesn't state male so why when there is no explicit information stating that the country is mentioned is this allowed but in order for a Pokémon's gender to be confirmed it must be explicitly stated. Why don't you drop it and just allow the point to be removed because it doesn't add much to the page and it doesn't actually mention it as it's only a name that has been used since the 1960s so they could have just called it Kenya.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

== Anville Town ==

I noticed under the Unova section nobody put the equivalent to Anville Town. There's nothing much to actually do in Anville, but I believe there still has to be a real-life counterpart to it. I was speaking with my mother about this, and she grew up in Queens so she knows New York and Northern New Jersey like the back of her hand. I grew up in Bergen County, so I know a bit about it too. I asked her exactly what Anville Town would be based off of based upon its location, and we came to the conclusion that it is the equivalent to Morristown, NJ. Morristown is known for its train station and one of its stops transits right into the 59th Street's station (which is what Nimbasa is based off of).
Yay or nay? {{unsigned|MeruNoUta}}

== Spear Pillar ==

Mt. Asahi is the highest peak in Hokkaido, as Spear Pillar is the highest peak in Sinnoh. Mt. Asahi's location relative to the rest of Hokkaido is also close to Spear Pillar's location relative to the rest of Sinnoh. Can I say that Spear Pillar was based on Mt. Asahi? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:This is a change I was going to suggest as well. Based on Mt. Coronet's layout as you near the peak and what you can see of the surrounding terrain, Mt. Asahi looks to be a very close match to Spear Pillar. It's also in the correct geographical position, and it works uncannily well in locating the Sinjoh Ruins (or at least where ''I'' think they are). [[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 06:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

== Decolore Islands ==

I noticed that the region hasn't been added yet, along with the Orange Islands. As a resident of Connecticut, I believe the the Decolore Islands are most likely based on the Thimble Islands. They are located close to New York, the area Unova itself is based on. Additionally, many of the Decolore Islands are not populated and instead used as nature preserves, similar to the major university-owned Thimble Islands used for ecological studies. However, a few islands in the Thimbles are built up considerable, such as Money Island. This is similar to the Unnamed Island in BW138. [[User:Manqoba|Manqoba]] ([[User talk:Manqoba|talk]]) 15:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:With all due respect, I think your perception of likelihood may be influenced by home-state bias. Looking at a map, the Thimble Islands hug Connecticut ''very'' closely, far from the border with New York, and ''very'' far from any part of New York that Unova is based on. I think this is a case of confirmation bias, sorry. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Assuming that Oblivia is in fact based on the Oki Island, here is what I believe to be the relation:
*Dolce Island is Chibu
*Renbow Island and Mitonga Island form the two halves of Nishinoshima
*Sophian Island is Okinoshima (transposed a bit)
But Faldera, Layuda and Tilikule have no real-world counterpart. [[User:Ifni400|Ifni400]] ([[User talk:Ifni400|talk]]) 23:51, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Images and Mystery Dungeon ==

I have two questions, 1. Why is it that only the three latest regions have a compairing image to the corresponding real world location? Also both Unova's and Kalos' as well as Almia's image all have the real world location above it while Alola's is located beneeth. Why? 2. Isn't the Mystery Dungeon world based on somewhere in the world or is it just made out of the air so to speak. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 11:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Blackthorn City, Dragon's Den and Ice Path ==

Northeastern Johto is not an easy area to pin down, but I think I've found something that accurately depicts the Blackthorn area. I can tell people have already made a significant effort to locate these places, so I don't want to make any changes to their contributions without talking about them first.

First off, I don't think there's much significance between Clair's Japanese name, Ibuki, and the suggested Dragon's Den, Mt. Ibuki. Ibuki means "breath", and is often associated with a strong will, impulsive behavior and over-sensitivity; this seems to fit Clair pretty well. In GSC, the TM she awards you with is Dragonbreath, or Ryu-no-ibuki in the JP version, another possible origin of her name. I'm sorry, but I'm really starting to doubt her name was inspired by the mountain believed to have the had the world's heaviest snowfall in recorded history, so I don't think there's much supporting that mountain as the location of Dragon's Den. However, given the mountain's close proximity to "Mahogany" and "Lake of Rage" and its own icy history, I think it's a strong candidate for the entrance to Ice Path.

The next thing I want to critique is the Blackthorn-Shirakawa theory. The main thing that made me look into this is that Shirakawa is significantly far away from where you'd expect to find it relative to the other locations we've found, and unlike the the questionable relationship between Cherrygrove/Violet, Shirakawa is also very far away from every other location we've found (it's the most isolated location in all of real-world Johto/Kanto to date). Additionally, Shirakawa is famous for its nearly-uniform gasshō-zukuri, but these designs aren't reflected in Blackthorn's new buildings even though Violet and Ecruteak received makeovers that match Nara and Kyoto.

Okay, now for my suggestions. I think Blackthorn is Kai/Kofu, Yamanashi; Ice Path (exit) is the oft-hypothesized Narusawa Ice Cave, Yamanashi; and Dragon's Den is Kanazakura-jinja Shrine, Yamanashi.

My first lead came when I saw a "Did You Know" on the Smash Bros series; during development the first game was called "Dragon King: Fighting Game" and featured a striking picture of a low-rise neighborhood with Mt Fuji (Mt Silver) in the background. The video claimed the game's name came from that neighborhood, which just so happened to be where HAL Laboratory was located, and that the picture was taken by a certain programmer I'll name later. This all piqued my interest, so I started digging. The town's name was Ryūō, with a population around 40,000 (right on the low end of other towns believed to inspire other towns up to this point), and it was merged with several other towns into Kai in 2004 (after the release of GSC). Geographically, it's a strong match for Blackthorn, surrounded by mountains and with Fuji standing prominently to its Southeast; the biggest issue is that it's tightly clustered with a number of significant cities. Then I zoomed out, and I realized the broader Kofu basin is a very close match to the birds-eye view shape of Blackthorn (use Earth mode to make this more apparent). According to legend, the Kofu basin used to be a lake until Kami pushed on of the mountains aside and the lake drained to the south; this southerly river-valley is clearly visible from a map and could explain the river in Blackthorn and Route 45 in HGSS.

Okay, so Dragon's Den. Kanazakura-jinja Shrine is just north of Kai, it prominently features a pair of dragons, the "rising and falling dragons", and one carries a fire crystal and the other a water crystal. The translations from their website are a little wonky, but it sounds like these dragons symbolize the reconstruction of the main shrine after it collapsed in a 1953 fire (there's also some visible damage to the Den in HGSS), with the dragons drawing attention to fire above and water below. Rising and falling dragons, fire above/water below... I think this symbolism is an interesting parallel to Dragon's Den and the lava-filled Gym located directly above it, and what was the name of that Gym's badge? Rising. Also, the Shrine wasn't all that burned; most of the Kofu basin was destroyed in a night-time air raid in 1945. Combined, these fires may have inspired Blackthorn's name, Fusube, or black smoke.

Anyone who's still reading has probably already encountered the idea that Narusawa Ice Cave corresponds to Ice Path, so I'll just say Kai/Kofu is sandwiched neatly between the Cave and the Shrine. Also, an Ibuki/Naursawa fused Ice Path may serve as a "portal" of sorts to cover the long distance between Koka/Mahogany and Kai.

Finally, earlier I mentioned HAL's R&D center in Kai and a certain programmer. We know that GameFreak has a habit of featuring themselves in the Pokemon games, but what about guest programmers? Well, HAL may not have worked on GSC directly, but their then-president did! Satoru Iwata famously helped development along through graphical compression (he's directly attributed with freeing up enough space on the cartridges to add the Kanto region to the games), so where might he be in Blackthorn? The Move Deleter, of course! Iwata freed up space on the carts, the MD frees up space on your Pokemon; considering everything else, I find this to be more than mere coincidence.

Any one of these location changes might not be very persuasive on their own, but I think they're pretty compelling when taken altogether. What do you guys think about these possible changes in our listed locations?[[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 07:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

== Lake Valor ==

The article currently says that Lake Valor is based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Kussharo Lake Kussharo], which is closer to Abashiri (Veilstone) than Kushiro (Pastoria). However, I think the lake might be based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Akan Lake Akan]. Although Lake Akan is much smaller and doesn't have the same shape (round with an island in the middle), its location corresponds to Lake Valor's location much better than Lake Kussharo, and there is a small resort village on its southern shore.

[[User:ILoveArceus|ILoveArceus]] ([[User talk:ILoveArceus|talk]]) 21:33, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

== Kahoolawe??? ==

How is [[Exeggutor Island]] based off of Kahoolawe? Kahoolawe is southwest of Maui (& is in Maui County), which is what Akala is based off of, not Kauai. {{User|BoygeyMario}}
:Geographically, Exeggutor Island is Niihau, but if you read the notes, it says that it is uninhabited by humans like Kahoolawe.[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 19:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Azoth Kingdom and England or Italy ==

In the design of the Azoth Kingdom, there are elements that refer to the industrial revolution and Steampunk design, if we take into account that Volcanion is based in part on a steam engine, which was created in England, it would be possible for the Azoth Kingdom it was near north north of Kalos or in England itself.

But if we take into account that Nikola is based on Da Vinci, the kingdom could be on the border between Kalos and some equivalent to Italy in the Pokemon World.

¿What do you think?

[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 9:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
:It seems to me that going by anything other than the architecture itself would be too speculative. Many (dare I say most?) places in the Pokemon world include elements/characters based on things from other places than what the location itself was based on. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

::I said it because Magearna and Volcanion are based on the industrial revolution. [[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 11:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Galar Region ==

So the Galar Region has just been announced for Pokemon Sword and Shield, and I know there were rumours before the announcement that it would be based off of the UK, so as a Briton myself, I've tried to verify that/match the locations. The industrial and farming focus definitely suits the UK, and I can see a structure that looks like the Palace of Westminster in the Icy Northern City, suggesting the island is flipped North to South (and possible East-West as well).

Based on this, looking at the red-brick city in which the starters are shown, with its industrial nature, canal leading to the sea and bordering mountains, I think that it represents Manchester, which would mean that the city by the wall where the ice starts would be Birmingham, although none of it's features match.

It's also possible the city on the sea is Liverpool, due to being on the coast between Manchester and Birmingham.

The industrial City being Manchester also fits with the lakes South of it, which would represent the Lake District
These cities would suggest that the region represents just England, rather than the whole of the UK.

Just some preliminary ideas, we shall have to wait for more information before confirming anything. {{unsigned|ZiggyAngelo8}}

:Well here is some information I've tried to put but Wiki-maniacs here can't live with them until they are officially confirmed(like we ever needed official confirmation anyway) :P

:[[Galar]] is based on {{wp|Great Britain}}. Galar's outline is of a vertical flipped Great Britain, though the climate isn't flipped(cold north and warm south), ideally making the London based city snowy and Manchester/Liverpool based one warm.

:[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 21:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

::I could argue that Galar also reminds me of a Scandinavian country, which it actually does. Game Freak may throw us in a loop, which is why sourcing is absolutely important when making a claim like this. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:06, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

:::Well, it's actually a vertically ''and horizontally''-flipped Great Britain (or how Great Britain looks from the North).
:::It's most definitely based on Great Britain, London is at the top of the region with the London Eye, Big Ben/Parliment, and tower is based off, what I assume, is the {{wp|The Gherkin}}. The general shape and edges match up well too.
:::The steampunk town with the "clocktower" is based on Edinburgh, in some of its features and geographical position.[[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 00:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
::::Well, we should still wait for an official confirmation. This info is already being hidden in other articles by admins. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::We also can't really add any locations in the Galar Region to this list without know the names of the locations. Putting something like the Edinburgh town as "Steampunk Town" doesn't really scream "professional editing". [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 00:48, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
::::::Agreed. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:07, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

:I think that the region is only based in England, since there are no references to its neighboring regions (Scotland and Wales), and that the region is set backwards, with London in the north

:[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 7:42, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

::The region would be way too small if the region was just composed of England.
::Traced out the shape of GB and Galar, Galar is at such a weird angle but you can still make out geographical details. It seems the pointy ends of Wales that jut out are almost nonexistent in Pokemon. Image: https://imgur.com/6VNe7QM
::(Somebody also leaked some '''''major''''' general game spoilers last week, one detail was that Galar is based on Great Britain.) https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/37621165 [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 04:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

: Discussions about whether or not Galar is based on UK are also important, but I think someone should change the first paragraph from "The designs of seven of the major Pokémon regions—Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, and Alola—are strikingly similar in geography and demographics to regions in the real world, and sometimes even officially stated to be based on certain locations. The first four regions are based on smaller regions in Japan, while Unova and Alola are based on parts of the United States and Kalos is based on France. It is stated that the inspiration for Orre is Phoenix, Arizona." to "The designs of eight of the major Pokémon regions—Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, Alola, and Galar—are strikingly similar in geography and demographics to regions in the real world, and sometimes even officially stated to be based on certain locations. The first four regions are based on smaller regions in Japan, while Unova and Alola are based on parts of the United States and Kalos is based on France. It is stated that the inspiration for Orre is Phoenix, Arizona." [[User:Kimichael4317|Kimichael4317]] ([[User talk:Kimichael4317|talk]]) 05:49, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

: Personally, I think that if Edinburgh were in the game, Edinburgh Castle would feature somehow, and additionally, if the red-brick city were to be based on a Scottish city, it's more likely to be Glasgow, which is both bigger than Edinburgh and more associated with industry.

: Having said this, I still believe that the region only represents England, as a lack of landmarks resembling Aberdeen or Inverness would mean that, if Scotland is included, it's only half of it, which would be a strange decision; furthermore, if the red-brick city were Glasgow, that would mean virtually all of England, 60% of Great Britain, would be condensed into about 1/4 of the region. {{unsigned|ZiggyAngelo8}}

:: They condensed most of Northern metropolitan France into a few cities and towns in Kalos, why can't they do the same with Galar?
::The coastlines between GB and Galar match up pretty closely, except Wales loses it "edginess". The map doesn't really paint an accurate picture of what the region contains, as it isn't really a 1:1 representation of the whole contents of the region, making it so we're unable to see all of buildings within the Steampunk area (Not even the regions are on complete a 1:1 with their IRL counterparts).
::Heck, since there isn't a town or city to the left near the steampunk area, they might've meshed Edinburgh and Glasgow into one city. They've already done towns that had elements from multiple locations and made them into one in-game location. [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 17:07, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

:Having seen the Galar Map flipped to match Great Britain as closely as possible, it definitely seems like the Port Town is at least in the same location as Liverpool/Birkenhead or possibly Blackpool. I had originally thought the lakes must be the Lake District, hence the industrial city would have to be Manchester (or Leeds or Newcastle, looking at it flipped, although, as Argentarus said, it could be all 3 combined), or the lakes could represent the Caledonian Canal and the Lochs it runs through, though those could be represented by the river and lake in the starting town. Also, I had theorised that the fairy town by the big wall could be representative of Nottingham and Sherwood Forest, as this is near the Birmingham Metropolitan Area in real life, which still seems likely as the walled grey city.

Talk:Pokémon world in relation to the real world/Archive 1

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==Cinnibar==
It's quite possible that Cinnibar is a part of the Sevii Islands, as Midway Island, for instance, is technically a part of the Hawaiian chain. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 19:26, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Shinnou==
Where did that information come from that Shino is based on Hokkaido? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:Because, you gotta look at the released Corocoro scans from this month ==[[User:Jason|Jade]] 2.56pm, 14 June 2006 (AEST)

::And what do you know about Japanese geography, eh? Could be Hokkaido - but the mountain chain makes me suspect Hokuriku - which is on the west side of the Japanese Alps. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:::To anyone who wishes to edit this page so as to state that Hokkaido has been confirmed - learn Japanese beforehand and refrain from counting on unofficial web sites. CoroCoro only referred to Shin'ō as an island similar to Hoenn - that leaves Shikoku and Hokkaido. It is plain to see that the map, which has been largely revealed to us, takes the shape of Hokkaido. It is for this that some web sites such as Filb.de claim it to be based on Hokkaido as if it were confirmed.

:::Unlike Zhen Lin, I am absolutely confident in the veracity of Hokkaido. Even so, the correct wording is to be used at the very least until a full map has been obtained. Hoenn was confirmed to have been modeled after Kyūshū not long after Ruby and Sapphire had seen release. That said, Sevii Islands and Orre have thus far remained in the realm of speculation - but at least we have the resources provided by the games. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]

::::What about the orange islands and fiore? [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 14:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I mean look at Sinnoh's shape...

Funny thing about orre...(get it?Orrezona((Arizona and Orre)).).

--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 06:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

==Indian elephants==
Hm. I was flipping through my FireRed game the other day, and there's lots of Indian elephants mentioned in the Pokedex entries... is this worth mentioning? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] 02:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Pikachu's power? Definately. --[[User:Kyoufu Kawa|Kyoufu Kawa]] 18:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Noah's ark==
I was watching ''[[EP016|Pokémon Shipwreck]]'' and i noticed that brock tells about noah and the ark. Can we put that somewhere? --[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 22:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:: What the heck does that have to do with geography? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:::It doesn't, it has to do with history of our world [[User:Count Caterpie|Count]] [[User talk:Count Caterpie|Caterpie]] 23:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Wrong again. It has to do with the mythology of our world, not history. You shouldn't too much into it, anyway, it was just a cop out. They didn't feel like making a whole new religion for the series, so they stole the most readily available one.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 14:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== About the real world locations mentioned section... ==

some of these things just have to go. The Fantina dialogue thing doesn't really have anything to do with it since that only happened immediately before the battle, not when you first encounter her at the contest hall or after you beat her. Besides, she could have just been using a fake accent. I mean, [[Blue (Game)|Blue]] was using a french accent when he fought you on the St. Anne, and the last time I checked, he never visited France or anything, never spoke in that accent prior to it, and immediately dropped the accent right after you beat him. Also, i doubt that an Indian elephant should count towards a real world location (maybe real world animal, but definitely not a real world location.)

anyways, thats all for now.

~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

Actually Fantina says something about moving to Hearthrome(spelling might be wrong) City before the battle.I am not sure but I think that backs up that she is from France

~~Starfire~~

Just because she said that she moved to hearthrome city doesn't necessarily mean that she was from France. I mean, if she explicitly stated that she was from France (or canada, even), then yes, that would have merit. But she never really said where she moved from. she only gave a vague mention of another country. I mean, for all we know, she could have just as easily come from the Orange or sevii Islands (I think of the Sevii Islands as an entirely seperate place than an actual region considering how it and Kanto seem to have somewhat of a feud before you arrived that wouldn't be of this scale if it was a region.], or Heck, even Orre (they seemed to imply through a news report in colosseum that it has entirely different regions due to the fact that they mentioned that several regions were attacked by [[Shadow_Pokemon|Abnormal Pokemon]], and since Kanto/Johto/Hoenn never even referenced being attacked by them, that seems to imply that it is an entirely different country in and of itself.).

I mean if you wish, go ahead, but I just want to say that I'm not too sure about that. I mean, if she was explicitly said to have come from france (like the Trainer dex in Pokemon FRLG said about Lt. Surge [I don't count the "Lightning American" thing as evidence that he is American since Some of the Gym Leaders were given similar nicknames even though they really don't have any corollation with each other (Tomboyish Mermaid, Elegant Princess, among others comes to mind [Misty's not a mermaid because she doesn't have a fish tail, she doesn't sit on rocks to comb her hair {her hair is very short, anyways}, and she never really stated that she was a Mermaid or related to them. As for Erika, she never really said that she was related to any royal family.].).].) then, yes, Go on ahead.

But since she never really stated that she was from France (her speaking french doesn't count since 1. she seemed to be faking it since the only time she ACTUALLY spoke french was when you meet up with her, which she drops when she is close to losing, and 2. Even IF she was actually able to speak french, that doesn't mean she is from France. remember, Canada, Jamacia as well as some african countrys speak French as part of their language.), we shouldn't say that she was from France.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

== Regarding the map... ==

The map is veerrryyy wrong! It should be like this: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1206/japanforonceandforeverdz3.png
Or maybe this is clearer: http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4092/japanys0.png
Please people, it's a common made mistake, but it isn't that hard to see, is it?

Zig

== Deoxys reference ==

The "North Pole" doesn't necessarily have to be a reference to a real-world location. Every planet has a north and south pole. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 20:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Antarctica or North Pole? ==

I'm confused. I could have sworn that Deoxys landed in Antarctica, yet this article says it's the North Pole. Could someone clarify? [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|Jirachi]][[User talk:JirachiWishmaker0802|Wishmaker0802]] 10:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:It's possible different tellings of the franchise have different landing spots for Deoxys. For all we know, had [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] reached Hoenn, Deoxys could have crashed in downtown {{wp|Honolulu, Hawaii}} in that telling. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

::You know, I think we should eliminate it from the references section, as the term "North pole" doesn't necessarily hint at Antartica. Besides, Antartica isn't even the North Pole, if anything, it's more the exact opposite term. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

==Could someone update the map?==

Almia should be included, as it's attached to Sinnoh. {{unsigned|LynnCreed}}

no almia's place should not be part of the main map because it is just a side game. almia should be in a "side game's map". Maybe that small part will be part of another generation game! do you have absolute proof from the developers of the game? i think not! plus if there is no mention of the national pokedex, then almia is in a different nation. since the main games are one nation, most likely the geography is influenced by japan, there are no separate nations inside what is similar to japanese land. you cannot be too sure until it is 100% proven. plus almia is just a small area of land similar to most things to the world right now. it can be part of the area of northern africa and mediterranean sea. also the games state that they are far away from the main pokemon games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

== Game Systems ==

Would that be a reference to the real world because they are made in the real world? {{unsigned|Midnight Blue}}

== {{wp|Harlan County, Kentucky}} ==

In my sperpetic,Oreburgh reminds me around my home County, Harlan County , also the mines.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 23:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Your what?--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::Lots of places have mines. He means ''perspective''. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::There's pretty much no chance that a Japanese game is referring to your home county. There are many more notable mining areas, many in Pennsylvania, for example. I'm sure there's even more in Japan that are more likely. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 23:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::True, but then again, the Metal Gear series was a Japanese game (it was made in Japan, and was originally intended to be Japanese exclusive), and yet most of it's locations were anywhere BUT Japan (In fact, the only REAL Japanese references that was in the MG games was Master Miller, Akiba, "Kuwabara, Kuwabara", and the Tsuchinoko from "Snake Eater", which is pretty lacking anyways.). Heck, Sootopolis's geography was inspired by Santorini, Greece. For all we know, Harlan County could have served as a minor inspiration. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::As someone from Bullitt County, Kentucky, I'm going to have to say that such a claim is silly. We have had some form of confirmation on every other consistency. Until TPC comes out and says, "Yeah, it's totally our intention that Oreburgh be based on a county in the eastern part of a state in the US that we have almost assuredly never heard of," it's just very erroneous speculation. PS - Go MSU. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 04:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Map with Almia ==
I've made a map with Almia included. I think it's better to use this one
File:Pokemonworld.png
--Furanty 17:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I think we should keep the almia part blank.It's not even part of the main series obviously. or we could make maps of the main series and the other series separate. spinoff regions does not always relate to the main regions. Almia might be a parallel to india for all we know! plus almia does not look like it is on that part of japan but more on the southern part of sinnoh. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
: Note that the game with Almia mentions that Shinoh is nearby (hence the choice to send the Manaphy egg there). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pepe Toño Macías ==

On latinamerican dub, James' voice actor always names a real world city (mostly latin-american, but some famous world cities are mentioned to) on Team Rocket's Motto, replacing the earlier "y extender nuestro reino hasta las estrellas" with "y extender nuestro reino a [real world city]". Most latin-american capital cities has been named as well as many other important cities like Córdoba (Argentinian seconds), Acapulco or Cancún (Mexican strongest tourist region), Punta del Este (famous uruguayan city), Viña del Mar (Chilean city who host one of the most sponsored music shows on the region), etc.

He is also the main reason to include many differents countries slangs to the whole Team Rocket, mostly mexican ones because of where the dub is translated. {{unsigned|Mephisto}}

== Other Articles? ==

Is there a reason all this information is listed only here, and not on the locations individual pages? Personally I think it is relevant Trivia that, for instance, Mt. Silver is based on Mt. Fuji. [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 05:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:It's listed on some of them, mainly the regions. Sure it's interesting trivia, but we don't want the articles to be made of 100% trivia. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::True, but in some cases wouldn't you say it's relevant? For instance, Ecruteak City is based on Kyoto (not mentioned in Ecruteak's article at the moment), both cities are very old and have a lot of history. Kyoto is famous outside Japan- I'd hazard a guess at it being the second most well known Japanese city. Kyoto's history contributes to Ecruteak's role in the games. Wouldn't you say that's relevant? Violet City being based on Nara is, perhaps, less relevant, and wouldn't be very meaningful to most people using the wiki, so things like that perhaps could be skipped. But I definitely think that at least Mt. Silver/Fuji and Ecruteak/Kyoto are worth mentioning. I want to say something regarding Tokyo too, but the matter seems pretty complicated since there's no single Tokyo analogue.

::Also, just a passing thought, is it worth maybe mentioning the opposite- for places like Pacifidog town- that they are lacking in real world analogue? [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 04:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

==Regarding Hoenn==

Actually, I've done some of my own research into the correlation between Hoenn and its real-life counterpart and would like to argue that Rustboro is a much better candidate to counterpart with Fukuoka than Rustboro. The region (according to wikipedia which is the source I used) is known for its industrial and steel works, which seems pretty analogous to Rustboro's Devon Corp.

Also, Lavaridge matches up to Ōita much better than Fallabour. Ōita is closer to Beppu, the hotspring region. It's possible that whoever said Lavaridge was Aso got the two Hoenn Cities mixed up, because looking at the map of Kyushu, they're the other way around.

Kagoshima could possibly be Lilycove, as it's a bay city with a small round island in the port, which could be analogous to Mt. Pyre.

I'm not sure who wrote up the Hoenn cities part of the article, but I'd definitely argue that they didn't look closely enough at a map of Kyushu or of Hoenn, as some of them match up to other cities much better than the ones listed. Sorry to seem like a jerk, but I've done a LOT of reading online about this and it's too bad the Bulba article isn't better. I'll edit the article eventually, I'd just like a reply here first.
[[User:AutumnRain|AutumnRain]] 18:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:Sure, show us what you got. And I completely agree... Rustboro is a much better candidate than Rustboro ;) You may want to doublecheck that :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==Table Overload==
This page is mostly composed of tables, tables, and ''more'' tables. We need some actual writing in here, as well as images, or else I feel this article doesn't deserve its status as a Featured Article. It's informative, but the way it's presented simply doesn't share that information in a productive way. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 15:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:What else would you have us add? If that's all we have, it's kinda hard to add more. And it doesn't look good as a bunch of bullet points making up a whole page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::This is just an idea, but how about some free use pictures of the real-life landmarks, like {{wp|Kinkaku-ji}} (Brass Tower), {{wp|Ginkaku-ji}} (Tin tower), {{wp|Mount Fuji}} (Mt. Silver), etc.? It would be neat to see, especially if we had them side-by-side with game screenshots (or Midori Harada art? ...or anime screenshots, that would probably be better) of the Pokemon world locations. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::That would work, but we'd have to find all of the real world pictures that would look like the Harada art though. We wouldn't have to have a picture for every location though, so whatever Harada art we have we should try to find something for it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, as I edited in, we could also use anime screenshots instead of restricting ourselves to what few Harada location art there is. For example, we could do...
::::: with {{wp|File:Tokyo_Shinjuku_City_20070317.jpg|this}}
::::...Though of course all city skylines look pretty much the same, so that wouldn't be an ideal example. Just pointing out that we could go with anime art too. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would have real information explaining ''why'' these different regions and cities are counterparts to real-world areas. All of the sections simply say "x is based off x". ''Why'' are they based off those areas? Was it stated in an interview, or is there a mountain of evidence that cannot be swept aside as coincidence? Some reasoning would really help this article, and without it the whole page just seems to lack any real information, which is why I don't feel it should be Featured. I also agree with Umeko's suggestion for side-by-side comparison images, but we should definitely limit them to things that, without a doubt, can be visually-comparable. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::I do hope you saw the {{fan speculation}}
::::::at the top of the page. That is why there isn't that much evidence stated. A lot of the things were put up there, and people agreed on it. That's about how fan speculation pages work. But I do agree, we need something more. Unfortunately, that'll be hard to do, since most of it ''is'' speculation. A lot of it though, is where things are located in Japan and the anime, as seen on that map at the top of the page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Of course I noticed. Despite that (or perhaps even ''because'' of it) more information is needed to support these claims. People like knowing ''why'' things are the way they are, not just that they are. Considering the mantle of "fan speculation" is already applied to this article, then we should feel free to add more of it without worry. Now, there should be standards. There should be no doubt that there are correlations between one thing and another, and no "logical" jumps or rationalizations. The towers have the same appearance, purpose, and general history as real-world counterparts... So that could easily be considered a fact and should be elaborated on a bit. Where Orre is, for example, should have options and reasons for and against each one. This article can definitely be improved, but how is something we need to figure out. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

==Comments==
Should the sections in the various tables marked for comments be for notes on the real-world counterparts, as is currently done, or should we only write comments if there's some similarity other than geography to note between the Pokémon world and real world? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 13:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:These comments do talk about similarities. Pallet is the player's hometown, Vermilion has a large harbor, Celadon and Saffron are big cities, Cinnabar has a volcano... The comments are for links between the Pokémon world and the real world. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::Some of them aren't, like the comment for Dewford Town which only states that the real-world basis used to belong to Korea. (That one, at least, just sounds like Japan-Korea politics) [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 14:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Anyone got a clue where around real world Japan, Oblivia lies?
[[File:Oblivia artwork.png]]
Can't see any islands that look like it or anything O: All the islands are so small...{{unsigned|Saiph charon}}
:Might not be an area of Japan. Spin off game regions don't always relate to the other regions. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Milonda Island appears to be based off of Dogo Island.
Rainbow Island seems to be based off of a combination of Nishino and Nakano Islands.
Drop island appears to be based off of Chiburi Island.
They all are part of the Oki Islands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oki_Islands.png

Sopiana Island is without a doubt based off of Ulleungdo Island. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulleungdo

Thundercloud and Shikulele Island appear to be loosely based off of the Liancourt rocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks

All the islands mentioned are found in the sea of Japan north of Chugoku.--[[User:flamin entei|flamin entei]] 19:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

:'Liancourt' is what the sailors of the French ship Liancourt named the islands in 1849. There is an older and correct name called Dokdo which was derived from Usando, a name used since AD 512 .[[User:Kimichael4317|Kimichael4317]] ([[User talk:Kimichael4317|talk]]) 05:57, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

== I dont think this is one of the best bulbapedia articles ==

Ive seen dozens more "Other applications of real-world locations" in the anime and that needs to be added.--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:So, um, go for it? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah Im getting there lol.Going to take a while to remember and view all of them that I know of.
Im just very surprised Im the first one to put one in that has appeared in the tv anime series.
--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Regice ==

In pokemon Emerald, Regice's pokedex entry mentions Antartic ice. --[[User:Pkmn master|pkmn master]] 11:12, 14 Febuary 2010 (UTC)

== Map of Side Games ==

I know that the side games are more difficult to place, as far as true geographic regions go (if they even exist), but in the article itself, it mentions Orre as "[bearing] striking resemblance to the Gunma Prefecture of Japan in shape, which would place Orre north of Kanto and Johto." I think this is relevant to include on ''a'' map, although it doesn't have to be the one at the top of the page.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 21:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

we should keep a map of the side games separate from the map with the main games. side games are not really canon with the main games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
:The Pokemon Ranger series of games are canon, Colosseum games, as well, however, seeing how that game contained Manaphy, which needed to be downloaded into DP, and the fact that they have direct connectivity to the main games. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Just because they're canon (which is, I believe, debatable) doesn't mean they all correspond to locations in Japan like the others. And if they don't relate to each other, making a map for them's gonna be pretty hard. On a side note, I think the Orre connections are quite a stretch, and there should at least be comparisons between Orre locations and Arizona alongside the comparisons to Japan. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::lets just separate the maps then. the region on where the side game's area is on might be filled in by a later generation's region, the side game's region might not be in japan because they look like most other areas in the real world and the side region is not part of the main games. even though you can get manaphy in pokemon ranger does not mean that that game is canon. it just means that you can get manaphy from that game. Question- how does almia fit next to sinnoh? almia looks nothing like the tail of hokkaido which is sinnoh's real world counterpart. Almia does not look like it is in the south part of sinnoh either. If sinnoh is the pokemon counterpart of hokkaido shouldn't the center of almia be filled with land? {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

::::If they weren't canon, then there wouldn't be any connectivity, period. Absolutely no ties to the main games whatsoever is the very definition of not canon. That, as well as not even being made by the same people, period. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::sorry to give you an example of another franchise but what about the naruto anime? all of it's filler arcs are noncanon and it has something to do with the characters. plus it is made by the same company who does the rest of the anime. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

==Orre Section Revamp==
I'm sorry, but the section on Orre DEFINITELY needs work. so far it has only three locations listed, and those are listed with the presupposition that Orre is in fact based on a region of Japan. I did some research into Arizona and the surrounding area and found some more noticeable parallels.

Phenac City is obviously based on Phoenix, Arizona, for the reasons listed in the article already.

Mt. Battle could be based on Humphreys Peak, the highest point in Arizona. While it's not a volcano like Mt. Battle, neither is the Gunma Prefecture of Japan a desert. That said, Humphreys Peak also lands in the right place relative to other locations.

Pyrite Town could be based on Yuma, Arizona, which formerly housed a large prison facility (which fits in with both the Pyrite Town jail and the high crime rate in that section of Orre).

Agate Village was hard to find, but I eventually settled on the little town of Oatman, Arizona. Oatman lies right along Route 66, and, as with many towns along that route, has seen better days. While it doesn't appear as fertile as Agate Village, I thought the history of this mountain town fit in with the fact that the population of Agate Village is mostly elderly, with the young moving to the cities instead.

In terms of locations from XD, I widened my search to include locations not specifically in Arizona. I placed Gateon Port at the well-known city of San Diego, California.

Citadark Isle seems to correspond with Isla Guadelupe, a volcanic island off the coast of Baja California.

I don't know how this should be incorporated into the article, but I do believe at least some of this information needs to go there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, Gunma Prefecture isn't a desert, but then again, Floaroma Town isn't a flowerfield in real life, it is a desert. Anyways, I also don't recall Arizona being so barren that animals are even scarcer than water (which in Orre, apparently Pokémon actually are that scarce, at least in Colosseum.). I do doubt that it's near the Gunma Prefecture, but I also doubt that its supposed to be Arizona. Also, even going beyond Arizona, most of the locations don't match up. Citadark Island is on the opposite side of the real life location. Not to mention that San Diego isn't anywhere near that location. Maybe the old Colosseum map might have been based off of Arizona, but going by XD, it's not based off of Arizona or even the Southwestern United States/Mexican area, for that matter. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

::My bad about XD locations; I don't have the game, so it's hard to verify where they go (especially based on the few low quality Orre maps you can find). But nonetheless, the Orre section needs to change or be removed. The similarities listed are a real stretch (Outskirt Stand based on an archaeological site? I doubt it.), and besides, I thought Fiore's section was removed because it was a side game location. Should the same be done for Orre, perhaps with Phenac City moved to the section on non-Japanese influences? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

:: there are no major deserts in japan (if you count the tottori sand dunes then yes but they are in the south of japan). if the fiore section is removed because it was a side game then we should remove orre. plus the state of arizona is not bordered by an ocean or something large like that water area near gateon port {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

:::...What about the Gulf of California? It doesn't have to be shaped EXACTLY like the state, it can also include nearby regions. [[User:Taknamay|Taknamay]] 14:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::::Made a comparison pic to demonstrate Taknamay's point http://i.imgur.com/57Wlq9J.png.
::::That terrain matches almost exactly. And they said Phoenix, Arizona was the inspiration, so seems like a pretty open and shut case to me. Since some of the other regions like Almia have a comparison image, we could use that one. Unfortunately I can't upload images yet so someone else would have to do it --[[User:Foxsong|Foxsong]] ([[User talk:Foxsong|talk]]) 05:46, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

==New Image==
I like how it's been aligned so the regions look more like they do in the games, but technically Hoenn's box should be a lot bigger. That southwestern island chain includes such places as Naha (the inspiration for Ever Grande City), Yonaguni (the inspiration for the Sealed Chamber), and Yaebishi (the inspiration for Mirage Island). In other words, Game Freak curled that island chain around to compress the region into a smaller space, likely for gameplay reasons. Also, it would tickle me pink for the map to include the Sevii Islands, although that might be trickier. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:sorry i couldn't find a good map like the one i had with yonaguni, yaebishi the kuril islands and sakhalin. the colors are for the third games in the generation they were first seen in (in Japan). for johto i made it into suicune's thing on it's head. the sevii islands are red for fire red. if you want me to change the colors or fix anything, please ask. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
::First of all, you should sign your comments with four tildes (~). But in regards to the map, it's wonderful! I'm not too enthralled with the color selection (a bit dull; I would have gone with green for Kanto, yellow for Johto, red for Hoenn, and purple for Sinnoh, as is used in the new HGSS Pokédex guide) but with the level of inclusion contained within this map I'm willing to let that pass. Great job! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:13, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia uses distinct color templates, such as {{template|kanto color}}, for regional coloring. If an official guide uses other colors though... maybe we should look at changing them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::ok i'll change them[[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 03:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::No, you won't. For one thing, the templates /should/ be protected. For another, changes of this nature need to go through the Editorial Board. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
but i created the original image. it says in the file history [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 23:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:And? Doesn't mean anything about the templates. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::then what should i do? should i delete the map? [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 04:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==Ecruteak Dance Theater==
A rocket grunt mentions hula dancing...reference to Hawaii possibly? He tells this to the Kimono Girl --User:xaigon_paladin 1:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah. Because it was made by the Hawaiians (technically settlers from Polynesia or something). Adding. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu's Location ==

Isshu has been said to be far away from the other regions, and screenshots of Black and White show various landmarks similar to what are found in San Francisco (Such as the Golden Gate Bridge). I feel this should be mentioned. {{unsigned|Tveye}}
:I've heard New York and I've heard Hong Kong. Let's leave it at "some place really far away that might not be Japan" until the games are released and we can make more informed choices. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== propaganda. ==
Tsushima was an island of Korea before 1945; the old name is ''Daemado''.

Tsushima doesn't belong to Korea before 1945. Bulbapedia becomes the place of dispatch of propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think it can be chalked up to being an honest mistake. All you had to do was remove it, there was no need to come here and accuse us of spreading propaganda. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 09:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I am terribly disappointed. It is to not only the guess but also malignant propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Calm down, dude. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:We don't need any nationalist crap here. Correct the mistake yourself or politely point it out.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

He is still doing propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Numbers Stations ==

Do you guys think that we should include in the Ruins of Alph location info that the "Mysterious Transmission" is based on the real world's "Numbers Stations"? These short wave radios are used by spies. http://www.archive.org/details/ird059 --[[User:Kambash|Kambash]] 20:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon world(Original Japanese version) in relation to the real world. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ponyta_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
The change in Pokedex entry is interesting. The explanation of Tokyo Tower exists in a Japanese version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

このわざをみんなはだいもんじやきとよんでいるがそりゃまちがいだ！ほんばきょうとではだいもんじとかおくりびと　よんでいるのだ！

[[Blaine]] refers {{wp|kyoto}}(Japanese city) in Generation III. It is convinced that it is erased in the non-Japanese version because it is not described in BULBAPEDIA. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 05:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== some edits ==

As we are following Revised Hepburn as a standard for romanizations in listing the locations, "Oshima" (under Sevii Islands, Knot Island, prefecture) should be spelled "Ōshima", "Nakoudojima" (under Sevii Islands, Memorial Pillar, specific location) should be "Nakōdojima", and "Meiji no Mori Minoo" (under Johto, National Park, specific location) should be "Meiji no Mori Minō".

There is also "Chubu" (right under Johto) in stead of "Chūbu", "Honshu" (right under Hoenn) in stead of "Honshū", and "Hokkaido" (right under Sinnoh) in stead of "Hokkaidō", as well as a lot of other non-Hepburn romanizations in the comment section (Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto, Oshima, Hokkaido, etc.) alongside the Hepburn ones (Kantō, Tōkaidō, Kyūshū, Hōryū-ji, etc.). I guess non-Hepburn is acceptable, as it is standard in everyday English use (mainly important cities like Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto), but I think it would probably be better to choose either one.

'''Japanese Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Chichijima (Sevii Islands, Fortune Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%88%B6%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Hahajima (Sevii Islands, Quest Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AF%8D%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Yaebishi (Hoenn, Mirage Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%AB%E9%87%8D%E5%B9%B2%E7%80%AC

'''English Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Meiji no Mori Minō Quasi-National Park (Johto, National Park): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_no_Mori_Min%C5%8D_Quasi-National_Park

Cape Nosappu (Sinnoh, Vista Lighthouse): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Nosappu

If you are still reading this, thank you for hearing me out. --[[User:Spenvdm|Spenvdm]] 12:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== The motif of Isshu is New York. ==

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html
"Junichi Masuda" is insisted on that the motif of Isshu is New York. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== "Go West Young Meowth" refereence? ==

He was in California in the [[EP070|episode]]. {{unsigned|444Zekrom}}
:That's already noted in the episode. Besides, it really wouldn't be possible for them to travel from the Kanto Region to Hollywood, California with a van, and absolutely no reference to a plane in sight (since it was heavily implied that they took a van to get there.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 09:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== How are these real world locations? ==

"In A Bite to Remember, Jessie says that Albert Einstein created the light bulb. Max corrects her, saying that Thomas Edison was the creator."

"A Rocket Grunt mentions the hula dance to a Kimono Girl while in the Ecruteak dance theater"

Ive never heard of any locations named :Albert Einstein,Thomas Edison, kimono or hula.
It seems the person who added this seems to be mistaken with pokemon in relation to real world things.
I thought this was meant to include reference to PLACES!--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 08:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:The article isn't limited to locations, but those points were in the wrong section. I created a new section for people and cultures. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
::The hula dance point disappeared. And I'm leaving for school now, so I can't do it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Side regions ==

The section is blank! Hardly fitting of a featured article. I propose noting Almia (covered above a few times) and Orre (expliclty confirmed, see the citation in the [[Orre]] article. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu ==
Not wanting to add more information as there have been issues about its origin on other pages (no pun intended). However, I would like to point out that the note about Hiun City should be in the comments column, not shoved into the specific location column like it currently is. Could an admin fix that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu seems not to exist in North American continent. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Isshu#New_Map_of_isshu.
The game freak seems to have created the continent of fictitious. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Anime=/=Games--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 19:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

The United Tower is based in United States Headquarters in New York --[[User:Angelical Master Aqua|Angelical Master Aqua]] 22:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Do you have anything to back that up, or is it just baseless speculation? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==Capitilization error in title==

One would think that a featured article would have correct capitilization in the title. In the title the letters begin with lowercase letters when they should be uppercase. This is a basic rule of writing. I suggest this to be moved to so that the title is properly capitilized. If no one responds otherwise I'll move it to a correctly capitilized page. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:I guess sence no one responded it's okay to move? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
::Okay I'm moving the article to '''Pokémon World In Relation To The Real World.''' Any objections please let me know withen five minutes. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Not only is it not acceptable to move something just because someone hasn't "answered", it also looks very retarded. Unless it's something very specific, it Does Not Get Written Like This Because It Looks Wrong. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Besides, I also think you were acting too hasty anyway, you could have contacted one of the administrators first since it would have been easier to avoid making a simple mistake like this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Well I'm sorry I thought that since no one had anwsered that it was okay. I posted three times and someone could have said something instead of ignoring my comments. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::No, your method of doing this was completely inappropriate. You don't tell people to respond within 5 minutes. You wait until at least one person responds. That's the whole point of a discussion. You can't have a discussion with yourself. I can't speak for the rest, but I can't sit around here all day watching all the talk pages. I had only noticed this discussion here after I realized what was done. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Well I sencerly apologize for the way I handled the situation and I will not do it again in the future. I just want to help edit and I'm sorry if I made more work for you on here. I don't want to look "retarded" again. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Don't worry about it. Also, I didn't call you retarded, I know my choice of words there was inappropriate but that wasn't directed at you. I apologize if I offended you. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::It's okay you are just doing your job as admin. Thank you for letting me know about my mistake. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

==Anyone think this is important??==
as no one replied to my comment before, I'm putting it again here. I'm almost 100% sure that it's a parallel world! Should we put this in the article as a possibility?--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 09:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'll put it in now. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 16:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::What are you talking about? Are you saying the Pokémon World is a parallel to our world... ? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 18:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 13:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't say it's a parallel to our world, just yet. Have we seen a region based on any part of Africa, Australia, Europe, South America? No. So, it's not parallel enough. I would say the Pokemon world is based on our world. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they aren't there! --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 17:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Official source. Inspiration origin of Unova. ==

Sootopolis City 屋久島 Yakushima 鹿児島県 Kagoshima
The landscape of Sootopolis City is based on Santorini, Greece.

There is such a description. I similarly reflect an official source.

* Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from {{wp|Brooklyn Bridge}} and {{wp|Rainbow Bridge (Tokyo)|Rainbow Bridge}}.
* Tubeline Bridge draws inspiration from the {{wp|Forth Bridge}}.
* Village Bridge draws inspiration from the old Italian bridge.
* Entralink draws inspiration from the {{wp|Tokyo Imperial Palace}}.

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Fiore ==

My proposal: Fiore could be the northern part of the Shimokita Peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimokita_Peninsula)

* Rural.
* Closest to Sinnoh (Hokkaido).
* The geography fits very well.

[[User:KameXros|KameXros]] 17:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

== Real-world locations mentioned in the Anime: from dub or original? ==

It seems to me that some of the real-world locations mentioned in the Anime would clearly only be from the Dub. I think it's important to note this in the article somehow. [[User:Chaosakita|Chaosakita]] 07:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

== Hoenn ==

Having lived in Kyushu for about a year, I have gone around and visited some of the approximate locations that correlate with Hoenn. It would seem that the Kurokawa onsen town is correct for Lavaridge. It's southwest, at the base of Mt. Chimney, as Kurokawa Onsen is northwest in Kyushu.

Beppu seems to be the best match for Fallarbor town. The whole town is rife with geothermal activity with steam rising up all over the urban area. While it has hot springs like Aso town, there are also other forms of geothermal activity such as steam vents. Which I would assume the crater in Fallarbor is supposed to represent.

In terms of Meteor Falls, it appears that it isn't just one source of inspiration, but many. Oita prefecture is famous for both waterfalls and limestone caves. As inspiration for the cave setting, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Furen Cave. [http://www.furenshonyudo.jp/] So it would seem that Meteor Falls is a combination of both the waterfalls and limestone caves found in the Oita prefecture.

On a final note, it looks like Sootopolis City is shaped more like Yakushima Island. Ever Grande city is currently compared to Yakushima, but it seems inaccurate. As Yakushima is circular, and closer in relation to Sootopolis than Iwojima. Ever Grande city is shaped more like Okinawa Island when comparing the two. Just my two cents on what might need correction in the Hoenn section. And I'd be happy to know what everyone else thinks. ([[User:MauvilleGrovyle|MauvilleGrovyle]] ([[User talk:MauvilleGrovyle|talk]]) 02:25, 13 July 2012 (UTC))

== Fortree City: Kobayashi City, Miyazaki Prefecture? ==

Just flipping through Wikipedia and apparently there's an legend in the town involving the Suki Suspension Bridge, and since Fortree is big into their bridges, could be a match? If nobody has any significant objections I'll add it in. [[User:Rinne|Rinne]] ([[User talk:Rinne|talk]]) 16:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

== A Pokémon Center in Pokémon BW/B2W2 ==

In the Pokémon Black/White/Black2/White2 game, a [[:wikipedia:globe|globe]] is located on the second floor of any [[Pokémon Center]]s, it shows the real world, not the Pokemon world.

-- [[User:Love Krittaya|Love Krittaya]] ([[User talk:Love Krittaya|talk]]) 19:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's the Geonet, and it appears in DPPtHGSS too in the GTS/Global Terminal. It's necessary that it is the real world as it allows player's to specify their home country (and state/province) for international communication purposes. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI ==

At what point is it a good idea to add details here about Kalos/France and Lumiose City/Paris? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 03:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

==Cerulean City RL Counterpart==
In the table featured within the article, Cerulean City is said to be based on the real world Saitama City, Saitama Prefecture, Japan. Saitama City was not officially a city until 2001, several years after the 1st generation games. Cerulean was a city before Saitama existed as a city.

While you could then say that Cerulean was based on what was to become Saitama City, the geographical locations don't match either. With Maebashi and Mt Akagi (Pewter and Mt Moon) being way up in Gunma Prefecture, the scale of the map is huge. As Cerulean is much further East, but no further South, to put it down in Saitama Prefecture at all seems like a gross misplacement. The real-world counterpart would be much further East.

This makes me think it's actually a city called Tsuchiura, in Ibaraki prefecture.

Aside from this being a far more likely and accurate geographical correlation, Tsuchiura has many other points of relevance for Cerulean. Tsuchiura is famous for its massive abundance of lotus root; these plants grow and bloom in man-made lagoons - they are floating blooms. Cerulean is also mentioned as a "seaside" city, despite not being quite as far East as the sea; Tsuchiura sits right next to lake Kasumigaura, the second biggest lake in Japan, and has a seaside feel as a result, despite, as with Cerulean, not being quite as far East as the actual sea. The area that joins onto Tsuchiura, to the North East, is called Kasumigaura, possibly the inspiration for the gym leader (Kasumi) Misty. Misty's gym is located towards the bottom of Cerulean City, and Tsuchiura also has a huge gymnasium, including a complex of swimming pools and water park type features, which is located towards the bottom of the city. There are a couple of rivers that run through Tsuchiura, the largest being the river Sakura. The trainer bridge could also potentially correspond to the bridge that links Kasumigaura with Kasumigaura Fureai Land, although this is a little more speculative.

I'm aware that I could be wrong, but a great many things do seem to fit, or show a heavy similarity of being a match of some kind. Feel free to agree or disagree, but let me know what your reasons are for doing so. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 11:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

:Welcome to Bulbapedia! As for Cerulean, you seem to have done your homework. I agree with you to change Saitama to Tsuchiura. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 15:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

::Thanks. I sort of missed my point when I mentioned the Sakura river. "Sakuragawa" means "river of bloom" which isn't a huge leap from "water of flower" - similar to the unofficial but generally accepted name for the sisters at Cerulean gym in the animé. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 00:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

==Kalos Region==
I thought I'd submit some Kalos region counterparts for consideration. I haven't found a lot; just a few leads. The first is the most obvious: Lumiose City clearly corresponds to Paris. Others are less clear. I think the Tower of Mastery corresponds to Mont Saint-Michel, and Geosenge Town and the stones around it probably correspond to the Carnac Stones, or a similar site of standing stones. If anyone wants to add these or has better ideas of what these locations correspond to, feel free to add them to the page. I'm still easing back into the editing groove, so I don't feel up to adding them myself yet. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

Sakhalin is not disputed between Russia and Japan, how Sinnoh section of this article says. (Only Southern Kuril islands, including Kunashir are currently claimed by Japan).
Southern Sakhalin belonged to Japan before WWII, but now it is recognized part of Russia. [[User:Ruxax|Ruxax]] ([[User talk:Ruxax|talk]]) 23:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==
I think I may have some suggestions for what some of locations of the Kalos Region is based on.

Vaniville Town: Moulins or Nevers;

Aquacorde Town: Nevers, Bourges, or Auxere;

Santalune City: Fontainbleau or Auxere;

Camphrier Town: Orleans or Tours;

Cyllage City: St. Nazerre or Guérande;

[[User:UsagiNeko|UsagiNeko]] ([[User talk:UsagiNeko|talk]]) 04:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

== Battle Maison / Château de Chenonceau real world equivalent addition ==

I know that this article has a lot of fan speculation but I've gone ahead and added a real-world equivalent to the Battle Maison in X and Y as Château de Chenonceau. I was surprised that nobody so far has noticed the parallel between the two since the similarity is striking. Their layout as a bridge-castle is very similar and the visual style is so as well. They are also both in the same equivalent location (the Loire Valley, famous for its castles), west of Lumiose/Paris and close to Camphrier Town/Blois.{{unsigned|Almsivi}}

== Featured article disqualification ==

I have noticed that this article doesn't meet the criteria to be a featured article and I think that this should go to the candidates for removal of featured article. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 12:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
:The featured article is no long something we use. Articles that are already featured will remain featured, and no new articles will become featured. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

== Moon landing ==

In the Generation I games (and presumably the remakes as well), a woman in the Pewter museum refers to the first "lunar landing" (Apollo 11) and says that it took place on July 20,1969. Should this be added to the article? [[User:RS89|RS89]] ([[User talk:RS89|talk]]) 12:25, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:Well, since we know that this event ''really'' took place that time, then I think it should be added. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 16:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

== Floaroma Town ==

Why isn't Floaroma Town included in the Sinnoh section? It should be located just under Oreburgh Mine, however I'm still looking for it's location on Hokkaido. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:46, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I was looking at Google Earth, and the rough location would be the city of Ishikari, however, that is just what it is, a location. Is it possible that Valley Windworks should actually be listed as Floaroma Town because Tomamea is a town as well? [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Battle Zone ==

If possible, shouldn't the Battle Zone be a little more specific? i.e. Fight, Survival, Resort Area, Stark Mountain, etc. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 01:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Fukuoka is Biggest city in Kyushu, ==

BUT PETALBURG ISN'T BIGGEST CITY IN HOENN!!!!! NOT BASED ON FUKUOKA!!!!!--[[user:youngster|たんぱんこぞう]] [[user_talk:youngster|ｺﾞﾛｳ]] 01:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Location Inspiration ==

I don't know why, but for some reason, I think that the city the 18th movie takes place in is based on Chicago, mostly because the skyscraper on the left side of the poster looks a lot like Trump Tower, which is in the city. It just seems like a really good possibility that this city is based on Chicago. {{Unsigned|Harmonmj13}}

== Sea Spirit's Den ==

I wanted some agreement on this before I changed it, but I think Sea Spirit's Den is actually based on {{wp|Alderney}} and not {{wp|Jersey}}. If you compare a map of the [http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/channel-islands/map_of_channel-islands.jpg Channel Islands ] and [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8a/Kalos_alt.png Kalos] I think you will see that the 2 bigger green ones are Jersey and Guernsey, the little one is Sark and Sea Spirit's Den is Alderney. It is probably worth noting that historically the islands were part of Normandy (Northern France).

Another thing, it says that Jersey is part of the UK, this isn't correct. Jersey (and the other channel islands) have a complex relationship with the UK but they do not form part of it. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_dependencies This page] has more info on this. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 09:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

More specificly shouldn't Resort area be {{wp|Korsakovsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}}, Fight area and Survival Area in {{wp|Anivsky District}}, {{wp|Nevelsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}} or something more specific then just Sakhalin? {{unsigned|Raltseye}}

== edit war ==

You may have noticed the edit war between myself and Ratchet and Clank 1995, he/she is wrong. {{wp|British Islands}} is a legal term that unambiguously refers to the UK, Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey (the latter two are collectively the Channel Islands), as the wiki article says. He/she is right that the Channel Islands are not part of Great Britain/UK, which is why I changed it from UK to British Islands in the first place. (Originally he said he changed it because they were not part of the {{wp|British Isles}}, he/she may be right geographically but the term british isles is often used to include the channel islands)

While they are not technically part of the UK, Channel Islands are still 'British'. The inhabitants are entitled to a British passport, the queen is head of state, and the UK has responsibility for the defence and international representation of the islands. This is note worthy because they are the only non-French part of Kalos (although historically the islands were part of Normandy - Northern France). However, due to complicated reasons, it is incorrect to say they are part of the UK. 'British Islands' may be an unusual term, but it is correct and conveys that they are British without getting into complicated politics. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:Well then to be more specific they are [[wp:Crown dependencies]] officialy. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 15:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we should use the term Crown dependencies as the user Raltseye mentioned above but I'm not going to change it anymore. I have .[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:37, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

:I'm not sure about using the term 'Crown Dependences', it's a little obscure, I feel as if we would have to explain what it means and that would make us go off topic. There are pros and cons to using either 'British Isles' or 'British Islands', but I don't care anymore let's just leave it as British Isles [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

== Snowbelle ==

Likening Snowbelle City to Grenoble seems pretty unlikely as Grenoble is further south than Lyon, which is commonly accepted to be Kiloude City. It seems a lot more likely that Snowbelle is supposed to be Besançon or one of the surrounding cities such as Montbéliard, Dole or Lons-Le-Saunier, considering the region is known for cross-country skiing in the Jura mountains as well as freezing weather in the winter (the region of Jura is sometimes affectionately called "Little Siberia"). The general location fits, as well. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 17:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:I was the person to link Kiloude City to Lyon and I still believe this to be correct, one reason why I linked it was the fact that Lyon is just slightly North of the Gironde estuary which its Pokémon counterpart can be seen on the Kalos map so they seem to match. You have made a valid point that Grenoble is too far south so I agree with you and that Snowbelle cannot possibly be based on Grenoble's location. I would say go ahead and change Grenoble to Besançon as it does seem to fit and the fact that it's called "Little Siberia" could go in the notes section as it actually seems relevant.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::I edited it. Further reading for reference : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extreme_temperatures_in_France , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouthe . To be fair, Snowbelle itself doesn't resemble Besançon much, but as it's the largest city in Franche-Comté and the capital of the infamously cold Doubs department, it seems fair. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 14:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

== Kenya ==

I'm tired of seeing all of you edit warring over something so small without anyone bothering to open a discussion, so instead I'm starting a discussion on it. Personally, I don't see the problem with adding something on the end along the lines of "Kenya is also the name of a mountain in the country of Kenya, Mount Kenya, from which the country derives its name." I don't think it would hurt to add a small line on like that, especially considering that it is in fact where the name originates. Yes, the Spearow is probably named after the country, but the country itself is named after the mountain. '''[[User:Slimey01|slimey]][[User talk:Slimey01|01]]''' 13:32, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
:There was a discussion, on my talk page, where I clearly said that the country is the most likely reference. The mountain is irrelevant in this case since it's not something one would immediately think of. I've already made it clear, but Ratchet is just being stubborn.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
::To point out even more, 4 users total were involved in the discussion, with 3 of the 4 agreeing that the country is the first (if not only) thing most people would think of. As Force Fire said, these wars are the result of one person with the strong belief that their opinion outweighs the majority of other opinions expressed, which at this point I will no longer be dealing with reverting, leaving it for staff members to deal with. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:08, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I would however think of the mountain and so would a lot of other people. Kenya is also a name that has been used in the USA since the 1960s so the Spearow could just have the name Kenya. There is one issue with that point which is the other points actually say a location this Spearow just happens to have the name Kenya which doesn't mention the location, the only way it could would be if the guard said that he named it after the country and that would be the mention not the name itself.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
::::You wouldn't be saying that if you didn't know that the mountain existed or there are people named Kenya. You're only using that because you've just looked that up and are trying to justify yourself. I didn't know about the mountain or people named Kenya, but now that I do know, I still think the country is the first thing that comes to mind. No common person is going to know either the mountain or people named Kenya, because the country is much more significant than the two. I've already told you to let this go, and you are clearly not listening. This discussion is close and the decision is final.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:17, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::What, I knew about the mountain way before this, in school my class did a project about Kenya in 2006 so myself and everyone who was in the same class knows about Mount Kenya. Every Kenyan probably knows about the mountain and the fact that their country is named after it. You said that no one would know about the name Kenya, people who know people called Kenya would know about it being used as a name. It's just a guess that it is named after Kenya as no other information is provided and as a result my decision is final and the whole point stays off.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 00:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::And per usual, you completely missed what I said. I said no '''common''' person is going to know the mountain or people named Kenya, of course people living in Kenya (and geographers, for that matter) are going to know the mountain. But everyone else, no... just no. You are in no position to say what the final decision is, I've already said no but you're clearly not listening.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:52, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Thinking about it, after all of this discussion you have only been able to say it is "most likely the country" and haven't provided any evidence to say that it actually certainly does mention the country. As there is no certain way of knowing whether it actually mentions the country it should be left out because the Spearow just has a nickname which has been a name in the USA since the 1960s whereas all of the other points has a character actually say a place. By this logic of "most likely" couldn't we say Ash's Charizard is most likely male because of its relationship with Charla and the fact that homosexual and bisexual Pokémon have not been confirmed to exist in the anime. If we go by that logic Charizard's page should just say it's male. Ask random Pokémon fans what gender they think Charizard is and they probably all think male. This site seems to have it both ways in the case of genders it has to be explicitly stated whereas in this instance it doesn't it's just a name the guard didn't say that he named it after the country. I really don't see any difference but you admins have it both ways when it suits you,

:::::::'''HYPOCRISY!!!!!'''[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Using your logic, ask any random joe about what they think of when they hear "Kenya", they'll tell you the country. You have been told to drop this by not only me, but by Kogoro as well. So for the last time, drop it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
(resetting indent)You didn't even argue against my point about the fact that you are only using "most likely" the country. In your argument about Pangoro's slash you made it very clear that assumptions should not be made yet you are doing exactly that on this article. As I mentioned Ash's Charizard is most likely male and it's page doesn't state male so why when there is no explicit information stating that the country is mentioned is this allowed but in order for a Pokémon's gender to be confirmed it must be explicitly stated. Why don't you drop it and just allow the point to be removed because it doesn't add much to the page and it doesn't actually mention it as it's only a name that has been used since the 1960s so they could have just called it Kenya.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

== Anville Town ==

I noticed under the Unova section nobody put the equivalent to Anville Town. There's nothing much to actually do in Anville, but I believe there still has to be a real-life counterpart to it. I was speaking with my mother about this, and she grew up in Queens so she knows New York and Northern New Jersey like the back of her hand. I grew up in Bergen County, so I know a bit about it too. I asked her exactly what Anville Town would be based off of based upon its location, and we came to the conclusion that it is the equivalent to Morristown, NJ. Morristown is known for its train station and one of its stops transits right into the 59th Street's station (which is what Nimbasa is based off of).
Yay or nay? {{unsigned|MeruNoUta}}

== Spear Pillar ==

Mt. Asahi is the highest peak in Hokkaido, as Spear Pillar is the highest peak in Sinnoh. Mt. Asahi's location relative to the rest of Hokkaido is also close to Spear Pillar's location relative to the rest of Sinnoh. Can I say that Spear Pillar was based on Mt. Asahi? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:This is a change I was going to suggest as well. Based on Mt. Coronet's layout as you near the peak and what you can see of the surrounding terrain, Mt. Asahi looks to be a very close match to Spear Pillar. It's also in the correct geographical position, and it works uncannily well in locating the Sinjoh Ruins (or at least where ''I'' think they are). [[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 06:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

== Decolore Islands ==

I noticed that the region hasn't been added yet, along with the Orange Islands. As a resident of Connecticut, I believe the the Decolore Islands are most likely based on the Thimble Islands. They are located close to New York, the area Unova itself is based on. Additionally, many of the Decolore Islands are not populated and instead used as nature preserves, similar to the major university-owned Thimble Islands used for ecological studies. However, a few islands in the Thimbles are built up considerable, such as Money Island. This is similar to the Unnamed Island in BW138. [[User:Manqoba|Manqoba]] ([[User talk:Manqoba|talk]]) 15:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:With all due respect, I think your perception of likelihood may be influenced by home-state bias. Looking at a map, the Thimble Islands hug Connecticut ''very'' closely, far from the border with New York, and ''very'' far from any part of New York that Unova is based on. I think this is a case of confirmation bias, sorry. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Assuming that Oblivia is in fact based on the Oki Island, here is what I believe to be the relation:
*Dolce Island is Chibu
*Renbow Island and Mitonga Island form the two halves of Nishinoshima
*Sophian Island is Okinoshima (transposed a bit)
But Faldera, Layuda and Tilikule have no real-world counterpart. [[User:Ifni400|Ifni400]] ([[User talk:Ifni400|talk]]) 23:51, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Images and Mystery Dungeon ==

I have two questions, 1. Why is it that only the three latest regions have a compairing image to the corresponding real world location? Also both Unova's and Kalos' as well as Almia's image all have the real world location above it while Alola's is located beneeth. Why? 2. Isn't the Mystery Dungeon world based on somewhere in the world or is it just made out of the air so to speak. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 11:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Blackthorn City, Dragon's Den and Ice Path ==

Northeastern Johto is not an easy area to pin down, but I think I've found something that accurately depicts the Blackthorn area. I can tell people have already made a significant effort to locate these places, so I don't want to make any changes to their contributions without talking about them first.

First off, I don't think there's much significance between Clair's Japanese name, Ibuki, and the suggested Dragon's Den, Mt. Ibuki. Ibuki means "breath", and is often associated with a strong will, impulsive behavior and over-sensitivity; this seems to fit Clair pretty well. In GSC, the TM she awards you with is Dragonbreath, or Ryu-no-ibuki in the JP version, another possible origin of her name. I'm sorry, but I'm really starting to doubt her name was inspired by the mountain believed to have the had the world's heaviest snowfall in recorded history, so I don't think there's much supporting that mountain as the location of Dragon's Den. However, given the mountain's close proximity to "Mahogany" and "Lake of Rage" and its own icy history, I think it's a strong candidate for the entrance to Ice Path.

The next thing I want to critique is the Blackthorn-Shirakawa theory. The main thing that made me look into this is that Shirakawa is significantly far away from where you'd expect to find it relative to the other locations we've found, and unlike the the questionable relationship between Cherrygrove/Violet, Shirakawa is also very far away from every other location we've found (it's the most isolated location in all of real-world Johto/Kanto to date). Additionally, Shirakawa is famous for its nearly-uniform gasshō-zukuri, but these designs aren't reflected in Blackthorn's new buildings even though Violet and Ecruteak received makeovers that match Nara and Kyoto.

Okay, now for my suggestions. I think Blackthorn is Kai/Kofu, Yamanashi; Ice Path (exit) is the oft-hypothesized Narusawa Ice Cave, Yamanashi; and Dragon's Den is Kanazakura-jinja Shrine, Yamanashi.

My first lead came when I saw a "Did You Know" on the Smash Bros series; during development the first game was called "Dragon King: Fighting Game" and featured a striking picture of a low-rise neighborhood with Mt Fuji (Mt Silver) in the background. The video claimed the game's name came from that neighborhood, which just so happened to be where HAL Laboratory was located, and that the picture was taken by a certain programmer I'll name later. This all piqued my interest, so I started digging. The town's name was Ryūō, with a population around 40,000 (right on the low end of other towns believed to inspire other towns up to this point), and it was merged with several other towns into Kai in 2004 (after the release of GSC). Geographically, it's a strong match for Blackthorn, surrounded by mountains and with Fuji standing prominently to its Southeast; the biggest issue is that it's tightly clustered with a number of significant cities. Then I zoomed out, and I realized the broader Kofu basin is a very close match to the birds-eye view shape of Blackthorn (use Earth mode to make this more apparent). According to legend, the Kofu basin used to be a lake until Kami pushed on of the mountains aside and the lake drained to the south; this southerly river-valley is clearly visible from a map and could explain the river in Blackthorn and Route 45 in HGSS.

Okay, so Dragon's Den. Kanazakura-jinja Shrine is just north of Kai, it prominently features a pair of dragons, the "rising and falling dragons", and one carries a fire crystal and the other a water crystal. The translations from their website are a little wonky, but it sounds like these dragons symbolize the reconstruction of the main shrine after it collapsed in a 1953 fire (there's also some visible damage to the Den in HGSS), with the dragons drawing attention to fire above and water below. Rising and falling dragons, fire above/water below... I think this symbolism is an interesting parallel to Dragon's Den and the lava-filled Gym located directly above it, and what was the name of that Gym's badge? Rising. Also, the Shrine wasn't all that burned; most of the Kofu basin was destroyed in a night-time air raid in 1945. Combined, these fires may have inspired Blackthorn's name, Fusube, or black smoke.

Anyone who's still reading has probably already encountered the idea that Narusawa Ice Cave corresponds to Ice Path, so I'll just say Kai/Kofu is sandwiched neatly between the Cave and the Shrine. Also, an Ibuki/Naursawa fused Ice Path may serve as a "portal" of sorts to cover the long distance between Koka/Mahogany and Kai.

Finally, earlier I mentioned HAL's R&D center in Kai and a certain programmer. We know that GameFreak has a habit of featuring themselves in the Pokemon games, but what about guest programmers? Well, HAL may not have worked on GSC directly, but their then-president did! Satoru Iwata famously helped development along through graphical compression (he's directly attributed with freeing up enough space on the cartridges to add the Kanto region to the games), so where might he be in Blackthorn? The Move Deleter, of course! Iwata freed up space on the carts, the MD frees up space on your Pokemon; considering everything else, I find this to be more than mere coincidence.

Any one of these location changes might not be very persuasive on their own, but I think they're pretty compelling when taken altogether. What do you guys think about these possible changes in our listed locations?[[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 07:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

== Lake Valor ==

The article currently says that Lake Valor is based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Kussharo Lake Kussharo], which is closer to Abashiri (Veilstone) than Kushiro (Pastoria). However, I think the lake might be based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Akan Lake Akan]. Although Lake Akan is much smaller and doesn't have the same shape (round with an island in the middle), its location corresponds to Lake Valor's location much better than Lake Kussharo, and there is a small resort village on its southern shore.

[[User:ILoveArceus|ILoveArceus]] ([[User talk:ILoveArceus|talk]]) 21:33, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

== Kahoolawe??? ==

How is [[Exeggutor Island]] based off of Kahoolawe? Kahoolawe is southwest of Maui (& is in Maui County), which is what Akala is based off of, not Kauai. {{User|BoygeyMario}}
:Geographically, Exeggutor Island is Niihau, but if you read the notes, it says that it is uninhabited by humans like Kahoolawe.[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 19:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Azoth Kingdom and England or Italy ==

In the design of the Azoth Kingdom, there are elements that refer to the industrial revolution and Steampunk design, if we take into account that Volcanion is based in part on a steam engine, which was created in England, it would be possible for the Azoth Kingdom it was near north north of Kalos or in England itself.

But if we take into account that Nikola is based on Da Vinci, the kingdom could be on the border between Kalos and some equivalent to Italy in the Pokemon World.

¿What do you think?

[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 9:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
:It seems to me that going by anything other than the architecture itself would be too speculative. Many (dare I say most?) places in the Pokemon world include elements/characters based on things from other places than what the location itself was based on. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

::I said it because Magearna and Volcanion are based on the industrial revolution. [[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 11:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Galar Region ==

So the Galar Region has just been announced for Pokemon Sword and Shield, and I know there were rumours before the announcement that it would be based off of the UK, so as a Briton myself, I've tried to verify that/match the locations. The industrial and farming focus definitely suits the UK, and I can see a structure that looks like the Palace of Westminster in the Icy Northern City, suggesting the island is flipped North to South (and possible East-West as well).

Based on this, looking at the red-brick city in which the starters are shown, with its industrial nature, canal leading to the sea and bordering mountains, I think that it represents Manchester, which would mean that the city by the wall where the ice starts would be Birmingham, although none of it's features match.

It's also possible the city on the sea is Liverpool, due to being on the coast between Manchester and Birmingham.

The industrial City being Manchester also fits with the lakes South of it, which would represent the Lake District
These cities would suggest that the region represents just England, rather than the whole of the UK.

Just some preliminary ideas, we shall have to wait for more information before confirming anything. {{unsigned|ZiggyAngelo8}}

:Well here is some information I've tried to put but Wiki-maniacs here can't live with them until they are officially confirmed(like we ever needed official confirmation anyway) :P

:[[Galar]] is based on {{wp|Great Britain}}. Galar's outline is of a vertical flipped Great Britain, though the climate isn't flipped(cold north and warm south), ideally making the London based city snowy and Manchester/Liverpool based one warm.

:[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 21:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

::I could argue that Galar also reminds me of a Scandinavian country, which it actually does. Game Freak may throw us in a loop, which is why sourcing is absolutely important when making a claim like this. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:06, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

:::Well, it's actually a vertically ''and horizontally''-flipped Great Britain (or how Great Britain looks from the North).
:::It's most definitely based on Great Britain, London is at the top of the region with the London Eye, Big Ben/Parliment, and tower is based off, what I assume, is the {{wp|The Gherkin}}. The general shape and edges match up well too.
:::The steampunk town with the "clocktower" is based on Edinburgh, in some of its features and geographical position.[[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 00:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
::::Well, we should still wait for an official confirmation. This info is already being hidden in other articles by admins. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::We also can't really add any locations in the Galar Region to this list without know the names of the locations. Putting something like the Edinburgh town as "Steampunk Town" doesn't really scream "professional editing". [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 00:48, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
::::::Agreed. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:07, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

:I think that the region is only based in England, since there are no references to its neighboring regions (Scotland and Wales), and that the region is set backwards, with London in the north

:[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 7:42, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

::The region would be way too small if the region was just composed of England.
::Traced out the shape of GB and Galar, Galar is at such a weird angle but you can still make out geographical details. It seems the pointy ends of Wales that jut out are almost nonexistent in Pokemon. Image: https://imgur.com/6VNe7QM
::(Somebody also leaked some '''''major''''' general game spoilers last week, one detail was that Galar is based on Great Britain.) https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/37621165 [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 04:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

: Discussions about whether or not Galar is based on UK are also important, but I think someone should change the first paragraph from "The designs of seven of the major Pokémon regions—Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, and Alola—are strikingly similar in geography and demographics to regions in the real world, and sometimes even officially stated to be based on certain locations. The first four regions are based on smaller regions in Japan, while Unova and Alola are based on parts of the United States and Kalos is based on France. It is stated that the inspiration for Orre is Phoenix, Arizona." to "The designs of eight of the major Pokémon regions—Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, Alola, and Galar—are strikingly similar in geography and demographics to regions in the real world, and sometimes even officially stated to be based on certain locations. The first four regions are based on smaller regions in Japan, while Unova and Alola are based on parts of the United States and Kalos is based on France. It is stated that the inspiration for Orre is Phoenix, Arizona." [[User:Kimichael4317|Kimichael4317]] ([[User talk:Kimichael4317|talk]]) 05:49, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

: Personally, I think that if Edinburgh were in the game, Edinburgh Castle would feature somehow, and additionally, if the red-brick city were to be based on a Scottish city, it's more likely to be Glasgow, which is both bigger than Edinburgh and more associated with industry.

Having said this, I still believe that the region only represents England, as a lack of landmarks resembling Aberdeen or Inverness would mean that, if Scotland is included, it's only half of it, which would be a strange decision; furthermore, if the red-brick city were Glasgow, that would mean virtually all of England, 60% of Great Britain, would be condensed into about 1/4 of the region.

Talk:Pokémon world in relation to the real world/Archive 1

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==Cinnibar==
It's quite possible that Cinnibar is a part of the Sevii Islands, as Midway Island, for instance, is technically a part of the Hawaiian chain. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 19:26, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Shinnou==
Where did that information come from that Shino is based on Hokkaido? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:Because, you gotta look at the released Corocoro scans from this month ==[[User:Jason|Jade]] 2.56pm, 14 June 2006 (AEST)

::And what do you know about Japanese geography, eh? Could be Hokkaido - but the mountain chain makes me suspect Hokuriku - which is on the west side of the Japanese Alps. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:::To anyone who wishes to edit this page so as to state that Hokkaido has been confirmed - learn Japanese beforehand and refrain from counting on unofficial web sites. CoroCoro only referred to Shin'ō as an island similar to Hoenn - that leaves Shikoku and Hokkaido. It is plain to see that the map, which has been largely revealed to us, takes the shape of Hokkaido. It is for this that some web sites such as Filb.de claim it to be based on Hokkaido as if it were confirmed.

:::Unlike Zhen Lin, I am absolutely confident in the veracity of Hokkaido. Even so, the correct wording is to be used at the very least until a full map has been obtained. Hoenn was confirmed to have been modeled after Kyūshū not long after Ruby and Sapphire had seen release. That said, Sevii Islands and Orre have thus far remained in the realm of speculation - but at least we have the resources provided by the games. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]

::::What about the orange islands and fiore? [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 14:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I mean look at Sinnoh's shape...

Funny thing about orre...(get it?Orrezona((Arizona and Orre)).).

--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 06:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

==Indian elephants==
Hm. I was flipping through my FireRed game the other day, and there's lots of Indian elephants mentioned in the Pokedex entries... is this worth mentioning? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] 02:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Pikachu's power? Definately. --[[User:Kyoufu Kawa|Kyoufu Kawa]] 18:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Noah's ark==
I was watching ''[[EP016|Pokémon Shipwreck]]'' and i noticed that brock tells about noah and the ark. Can we put that somewhere? --[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 22:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:: What the heck does that have to do with geography? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:::It doesn't, it has to do with history of our world [[User:Count Caterpie|Count]] [[User talk:Count Caterpie|Caterpie]] 23:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Wrong again. It has to do with the mythology of our world, not history. You shouldn't too much into it, anyway, it was just a cop out. They didn't feel like making a whole new religion for the series, so they stole the most readily available one.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 14:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== About the real world locations mentioned section... ==

some of these things just have to go. The Fantina dialogue thing doesn't really have anything to do with it since that only happened immediately before the battle, not when you first encounter her at the contest hall or after you beat her. Besides, she could have just been using a fake accent. I mean, [[Blue (Game)|Blue]] was using a french accent when he fought you on the St. Anne, and the last time I checked, he never visited France or anything, never spoke in that accent prior to it, and immediately dropped the accent right after you beat him. Also, i doubt that an Indian elephant should count towards a real world location (maybe real world animal, but definitely not a real world location.)

anyways, thats all for now.

~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

Actually Fantina says something about moving to Hearthrome(spelling might be wrong) City before the battle.I am not sure but I think that backs up that she is from France

~~Starfire~~

Just because she said that she moved to hearthrome city doesn't necessarily mean that she was from France. I mean, if she explicitly stated that she was from France (or canada, even), then yes, that would have merit. But she never really said where she moved from. she only gave a vague mention of another country. I mean, for all we know, she could have just as easily come from the Orange or sevii Islands (I think of the Sevii Islands as an entirely seperate place than an actual region considering how it and Kanto seem to have somewhat of a feud before you arrived that wouldn't be of this scale if it was a region.], or Heck, even Orre (they seemed to imply through a news report in colosseum that it has entirely different regions due to the fact that they mentioned that several regions were attacked by [[Shadow_Pokemon|Abnormal Pokemon]], and since Kanto/Johto/Hoenn never even referenced being attacked by them, that seems to imply that it is an entirely different country in and of itself.).

I mean if you wish, go ahead, but I just want to say that I'm not too sure about that. I mean, if she was explicitly said to have come from france (like the Trainer dex in Pokemon FRLG said about Lt. Surge [I don't count the "Lightning American" thing as evidence that he is American since Some of the Gym Leaders were given similar nicknames even though they really don't have any corollation with each other (Tomboyish Mermaid, Elegant Princess, among others comes to mind [Misty's not a mermaid because she doesn't have a fish tail, she doesn't sit on rocks to comb her hair {her hair is very short, anyways}, and she never really stated that she was a Mermaid or related to them. As for Erika, she never really said that she was related to any royal family.].).].) then, yes, Go on ahead.

But since she never really stated that she was from France (her speaking french doesn't count since 1. she seemed to be faking it since the only time she ACTUALLY spoke french was when you meet up with her, which she drops when she is close to losing, and 2. Even IF she was actually able to speak french, that doesn't mean she is from France. remember, Canada, Jamacia as well as some african countrys speak French as part of their language.), we shouldn't say that she was from France.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

== Regarding the map... ==

The map is veerrryyy wrong! It should be like this: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1206/japanforonceandforeverdz3.png
Or maybe this is clearer: http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4092/japanys0.png
Please people, it's a common made mistake, but it isn't that hard to see, is it?

Zig

== Deoxys reference ==

The "North Pole" doesn't necessarily have to be a reference to a real-world location. Every planet has a north and south pole. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 20:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Antarctica or North Pole? ==

I'm confused. I could have sworn that Deoxys landed in Antarctica, yet this article says it's the North Pole. Could someone clarify? [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|Jirachi]][[User talk:JirachiWishmaker0802|Wishmaker0802]] 10:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:It's possible different tellings of the franchise have different landing spots for Deoxys. For all we know, had [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] reached Hoenn, Deoxys could have crashed in downtown {{wp|Honolulu, Hawaii}} in that telling. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

::You know, I think we should eliminate it from the references section, as the term "North pole" doesn't necessarily hint at Antartica. Besides, Antartica isn't even the North Pole, if anything, it's more the exact opposite term. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

==Could someone update the map?==

Almia should be included, as it's attached to Sinnoh. {{unsigned|LynnCreed}}

no almia's place should not be part of the main map because it is just a side game. almia should be in a "side game's map". Maybe that small part will be part of another generation game! do you have absolute proof from the developers of the game? i think not! plus if there is no mention of the national pokedex, then almia is in a different nation. since the main games are one nation, most likely the geography is influenced by japan, there are no separate nations inside what is similar to japanese land. you cannot be too sure until it is 100% proven. plus almia is just a small area of land similar to most things to the world right now. it can be part of the area of northern africa and mediterranean sea. also the games state that they are far away from the main pokemon games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

== Game Systems ==

Would that be a reference to the real world because they are made in the real world? {{unsigned|Midnight Blue}}

== {{wp|Harlan County, Kentucky}} ==

In my sperpetic,Oreburgh reminds me around my home County, Harlan County , also the mines.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 23:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Your what?--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::Lots of places have mines. He means ''perspective''. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::There's pretty much no chance that a Japanese game is referring to your home county. There are many more notable mining areas, many in Pennsylvania, for example. I'm sure there's even more in Japan that are more likely. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 23:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::True, but then again, the Metal Gear series was a Japanese game (it was made in Japan, and was originally intended to be Japanese exclusive), and yet most of it's locations were anywhere BUT Japan (In fact, the only REAL Japanese references that was in the MG games was Master Miller, Akiba, "Kuwabara, Kuwabara", and the Tsuchinoko from "Snake Eater", which is pretty lacking anyways.). Heck, Sootopolis's geography was inspired by Santorini, Greece. For all we know, Harlan County could have served as a minor inspiration. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::As someone from Bullitt County, Kentucky, I'm going to have to say that such a claim is silly. We have had some form of confirmation on every other consistency. Until TPC comes out and says, "Yeah, it's totally our intention that Oreburgh be based on a county in the eastern part of a state in the US that we have almost assuredly never heard of," it's just very erroneous speculation. PS - Go MSU. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 04:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Map with Almia ==
I've made a map with Almia included. I think it's better to use this one
File:Pokemonworld.png
--Furanty 17:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I think we should keep the almia part blank.It's not even part of the main series obviously. or we could make maps of the main series and the other series separate. spinoff regions does not always relate to the main regions. Almia might be a parallel to india for all we know! plus almia does not look like it is on that part of japan but more on the southern part of sinnoh. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
: Note that the game with Almia mentions that Shinoh is nearby (hence the choice to send the Manaphy egg there). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pepe Toño Macías ==

On latinamerican dub, James' voice actor always names a real world city (mostly latin-american, but some famous world cities are mentioned to) on Team Rocket's Motto, replacing the earlier "y extender nuestro reino hasta las estrellas" with "y extender nuestro reino a [real world city]". Most latin-american capital cities has been named as well as many other important cities like Córdoba (Argentinian seconds), Acapulco or Cancún (Mexican strongest tourist region), Punta del Este (famous uruguayan city), Viña del Mar (Chilean city who host one of the most sponsored music shows on the region), etc.

He is also the main reason to include many differents countries slangs to the whole Team Rocket, mostly mexican ones because of where the dub is translated. {{unsigned|Mephisto}}

== Other Articles? ==

Is there a reason all this information is listed only here, and not on the locations individual pages? Personally I think it is relevant Trivia that, for instance, Mt. Silver is based on Mt. Fuji. [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 05:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:It's listed on some of them, mainly the regions. Sure it's interesting trivia, but we don't want the articles to be made of 100% trivia. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::True, but in some cases wouldn't you say it's relevant? For instance, Ecruteak City is based on Kyoto (not mentioned in Ecruteak's article at the moment), both cities are very old and have a lot of history. Kyoto is famous outside Japan- I'd hazard a guess at it being the second most well known Japanese city. Kyoto's history contributes to Ecruteak's role in the games. Wouldn't you say that's relevant? Violet City being based on Nara is, perhaps, less relevant, and wouldn't be very meaningful to most people using the wiki, so things like that perhaps could be skipped. But I definitely think that at least Mt. Silver/Fuji and Ecruteak/Kyoto are worth mentioning. I want to say something regarding Tokyo too, but the matter seems pretty complicated since there's no single Tokyo analogue.

::Also, just a passing thought, is it worth maybe mentioning the opposite- for places like Pacifidog town- that they are lacking in real world analogue? [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 04:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

==Regarding Hoenn==

Actually, I've done some of my own research into the correlation between Hoenn and its real-life counterpart and would like to argue that Rustboro is a much better candidate to counterpart with Fukuoka than Rustboro. The region (according to wikipedia which is the source I used) is known for its industrial and steel works, which seems pretty analogous to Rustboro's Devon Corp.

Also, Lavaridge matches up to Ōita much better than Fallabour. Ōita is closer to Beppu, the hotspring region. It's possible that whoever said Lavaridge was Aso got the two Hoenn Cities mixed up, because looking at the map of Kyushu, they're the other way around.

Kagoshima could possibly be Lilycove, as it's a bay city with a small round island in the port, which could be analogous to Mt. Pyre.

I'm not sure who wrote up the Hoenn cities part of the article, but I'd definitely argue that they didn't look closely enough at a map of Kyushu or of Hoenn, as some of them match up to other cities much better than the ones listed. Sorry to seem like a jerk, but I've done a LOT of reading online about this and it's too bad the Bulba article isn't better. I'll edit the article eventually, I'd just like a reply here first.
[[User:AutumnRain|AutumnRain]] 18:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:Sure, show us what you got. And I completely agree... Rustboro is a much better candidate than Rustboro ;) You may want to doublecheck that :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==Table Overload==
This page is mostly composed of tables, tables, and ''more'' tables. We need some actual writing in here, as well as images, or else I feel this article doesn't deserve its status as a Featured Article. It's informative, but the way it's presented simply doesn't share that information in a productive way. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 15:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:What else would you have us add? If that's all we have, it's kinda hard to add more. And it doesn't look good as a bunch of bullet points making up a whole page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::This is just an idea, but how about some free use pictures of the real-life landmarks, like {{wp|Kinkaku-ji}} (Brass Tower), {{wp|Ginkaku-ji}} (Tin tower), {{wp|Mount Fuji}} (Mt. Silver), etc.? It would be neat to see, especially if we had them side-by-side with game screenshots (or Midori Harada art? ...or anime screenshots, that would probably be better) of the Pokemon world locations. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::That would work, but we'd have to find all of the real world pictures that would look like the Harada art though. We wouldn't have to have a picture for every location though, so whatever Harada art we have we should try to find something for it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, as I edited in, we could also use anime screenshots instead of restricting ourselves to what few Harada location art there is. For example, we could do...
::::: with {{wp|File:Tokyo_Shinjuku_City_20070317.jpg|this}}
::::...Though of course all city skylines look pretty much the same, so that wouldn't be an ideal example. Just pointing out that we could go with anime art too. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would have real information explaining ''why'' these different regions and cities are counterparts to real-world areas. All of the sections simply say "x is based off x". ''Why'' are they based off those areas? Was it stated in an interview, or is there a mountain of evidence that cannot be swept aside as coincidence? Some reasoning would really help this article, and without it the whole page just seems to lack any real information, which is why I don't feel it should be Featured. I also agree with Umeko's suggestion for side-by-side comparison images, but we should definitely limit them to things that, without a doubt, can be visually-comparable. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::I do hope you saw the {{fan speculation}}
::::::at the top of the page. That is why there isn't that much evidence stated. A lot of the things were put up there, and people agreed on it. That's about how fan speculation pages work. But I do agree, we need something more. Unfortunately, that'll be hard to do, since most of it ''is'' speculation. A lot of it though, is where things are located in Japan and the anime, as seen on that map at the top of the page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Of course I noticed. Despite that (or perhaps even ''because'' of it) more information is needed to support these claims. People like knowing ''why'' things are the way they are, not just that they are. Considering the mantle of "fan speculation" is already applied to this article, then we should feel free to add more of it without worry. Now, there should be standards. There should be no doubt that there are correlations between one thing and another, and no "logical" jumps or rationalizations. The towers have the same appearance, purpose, and general history as real-world counterparts... So that could easily be considered a fact and should be elaborated on a bit. Where Orre is, for example, should have options and reasons for and against each one. This article can definitely be improved, but how is something we need to figure out. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

==Comments==
Should the sections in the various tables marked for comments be for notes on the real-world counterparts, as is currently done, or should we only write comments if there's some similarity other than geography to note between the Pokémon world and real world? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 13:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:These comments do talk about similarities. Pallet is the player's hometown, Vermilion has a large harbor, Celadon and Saffron are big cities, Cinnabar has a volcano... The comments are for links between the Pokémon world and the real world. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::Some of them aren't, like the comment for Dewford Town which only states that the real-world basis used to belong to Korea. (That one, at least, just sounds like Japan-Korea politics) [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 14:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Anyone got a clue where around real world Japan, Oblivia lies?
[[File:Oblivia artwork.png]]
Can't see any islands that look like it or anything O: All the islands are so small...{{unsigned|Saiph charon}}
:Might not be an area of Japan. Spin off game regions don't always relate to the other regions. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Milonda Island appears to be based off of Dogo Island.
Rainbow Island seems to be based off of a combination of Nishino and Nakano Islands.
Drop island appears to be based off of Chiburi Island.
They all are part of the Oki Islands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oki_Islands.png

Sopiana Island is without a doubt based off of Ulleungdo Island. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulleungdo

Thundercloud and Shikulele Island appear to be loosely based off of the Liancourt rocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks

All the islands mentioned are found in the sea of Japan north of Chugoku.--[[User:flamin entei|flamin entei]] 19:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== I dont think this is one of the best bulbapedia articles ==

Ive seen dozens more "Other applications of real-world locations" in the anime and that needs to be added.--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:So, um, go for it? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah Im getting there lol.Going to take a while to remember and view all of them that I know of.
Im just very surprised Im the first one to put one in that has appeared in the tv anime series.
--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Regice ==

In pokemon Emerald, Regice's pokedex entry mentions Antartic ice. --[[User:Pkmn master|pkmn master]] 11:12, 14 Febuary 2010 (UTC)

== Map of Side Games ==

I know that the side games are more difficult to place, as far as true geographic regions go (if they even exist), but in the article itself, it mentions Orre as "[bearing] striking resemblance to the Gunma Prefecture of Japan in shape, which would place Orre north of Kanto and Johto." I think this is relevant to include on ''a'' map, although it doesn't have to be the one at the top of the page.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 21:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

we should keep a map of the side games separate from the map with the main games. side games are not really canon with the main games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
:The Pokemon Ranger series of games are canon, Colosseum games, as well, however, seeing how that game contained Manaphy, which needed to be downloaded into DP, and the fact that they have direct connectivity to the main games. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Just because they're canon (which is, I believe, debatable) doesn't mean they all correspond to locations in Japan like the others. And if they don't relate to each other, making a map for them's gonna be pretty hard. On a side note, I think the Orre connections are quite a stretch, and there should at least be comparisons between Orre locations and Arizona alongside the comparisons to Japan. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::lets just separate the maps then. the region on where the side game's area is on might be filled in by a later generation's region, the side game's region might not be in japan because they look like most other areas in the real world and the side region is not part of the main games. even though you can get manaphy in pokemon ranger does not mean that that game is canon. it just means that you can get manaphy from that game. Question- how does almia fit next to sinnoh? almia looks nothing like the tail of hokkaido which is sinnoh's real world counterpart. Almia does not look like it is in the south part of sinnoh either. If sinnoh is the pokemon counterpart of hokkaido shouldn't the center of almia be filled with land? {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

::::If they weren't canon, then there wouldn't be any connectivity, period. Absolutely no ties to the main games whatsoever is the very definition of not canon. That, as well as not even being made by the same people, period. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::sorry to give you an example of another franchise but what about the naruto anime? all of it's filler arcs are noncanon and it has something to do with the characters. plus it is made by the same company who does the rest of the anime. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

==Orre Section Revamp==
I'm sorry, but the section on Orre DEFINITELY needs work. so far it has only three locations listed, and those are listed with the presupposition that Orre is in fact based on a region of Japan. I did some research into Arizona and the surrounding area and found some more noticeable parallels.

Phenac City is obviously based on Phoenix, Arizona, for the reasons listed in the article already.

Mt. Battle could be based on Humphreys Peak, the highest point in Arizona. While it's not a volcano like Mt. Battle, neither is the Gunma Prefecture of Japan a desert. That said, Humphreys Peak also lands in the right place relative to other locations.

Pyrite Town could be based on Yuma, Arizona, which formerly housed a large prison facility (which fits in with both the Pyrite Town jail and the high crime rate in that section of Orre).

Agate Village was hard to find, but I eventually settled on the little town of Oatman, Arizona. Oatman lies right along Route 66, and, as with many towns along that route, has seen better days. While it doesn't appear as fertile as Agate Village, I thought the history of this mountain town fit in with the fact that the population of Agate Village is mostly elderly, with the young moving to the cities instead.

In terms of locations from XD, I widened my search to include locations not specifically in Arizona. I placed Gateon Port at the well-known city of San Diego, California.

Citadark Isle seems to correspond with Isla Guadelupe, a volcanic island off the coast of Baja California.

I don't know how this should be incorporated into the article, but I do believe at least some of this information needs to go there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, Gunma Prefecture isn't a desert, but then again, Floaroma Town isn't a flowerfield in real life, it is a desert. Anyways, I also don't recall Arizona being so barren that animals are even scarcer than water (which in Orre, apparently Pokémon actually are that scarce, at least in Colosseum.). I do doubt that it's near the Gunma Prefecture, but I also doubt that its supposed to be Arizona. Also, even going beyond Arizona, most of the locations don't match up. Citadark Island is on the opposite side of the real life location. Not to mention that San Diego isn't anywhere near that location. Maybe the old Colosseum map might have been based off of Arizona, but going by XD, it's not based off of Arizona or even the Southwestern United States/Mexican area, for that matter. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

::My bad about XD locations; I don't have the game, so it's hard to verify where they go (especially based on the few low quality Orre maps you can find). But nonetheless, the Orre section needs to change or be removed. The similarities listed are a real stretch (Outskirt Stand based on an archaeological site? I doubt it.), and besides, I thought Fiore's section was removed because it was a side game location. Should the same be done for Orre, perhaps with Phenac City moved to the section on non-Japanese influences? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

:: there are no major deserts in japan (if you count the tottori sand dunes then yes but they are in the south of japan). if the fiore section is removed because it was a side game then we should remove orre. plus the state of arizona is not bordered by an ocean or something large like that water area near gateon port {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

:::...What about the Gulf of California? It doesn't have to be shaped EXACTLY like the state, it can also include nearby regions. [[User:Taknamay|Taknamay]] 14:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::::Made a comparison pic to demonstrate Taknamay's point http://i.imgur.com/57Wlq9J.png.
::::That terrain matches almost exactly. And they said Phoenix, Arizona was the inspiration, so seems like a pretty open and shut case to me. Since some of the other regions like Almia have a comparison image, we could use that one. Unfortunately I can't upload images yet so someone else would have to do it --[[User:Foxsong|Foxsong]] ([[User talk:Foxsong|talk]]) 05:46, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

==New Image==
I like how it's been aligned so the regions look more like they do in the games, but technically Hoenn's box should be a lot bigger. That southwestern island chain includes such places as Naha (the inspiration for Ever Grande City), Yonaguni (the inspiration for the Sealed Chamber), and Yaebishi (the inspiration for Mirage Island). In other words, Game Freak curled that island chain around to compress the region into a smaller space, likely for gameplay reasons. Also, it would tickle me pink for the map to include the Sevii Islands, although that might be trickier. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:sorry i couldn't find a good map like the one i had with yonaguni, yaebishi the kuril islands and sakhalin. the colors are for the third games in the generation they were first seen in (in Japan). for johto i made it into suicune's thing on it's head. the sevii islands are red for fire red. if you want me to change the colors or fix anything, please ask. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
::First of all, you should sign your comments with four tildes (~). But in regards to the map, it's wonderful! I'm not too enthralled with the color selection (a bit dull; I would have gone with green for Kanto, yellow for Johto, red for Hoenn, and purple for Sinnoh, as is used in the new HGSS Pokédex guide) but with the level of inclusion contained within this map I'm willing to let that pass. Great job! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:13, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia uses distinct color templates, such as {{template|kanto color}}, for regional coloring. If an official guide uses other colors though... maybe we should look at changing them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::ok i'll change them[[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 03:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::No, you won't. For one thing, the templates /should/ be protected. For another, changes of this nature need to go through the Editorial Board. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
but i created the original image. it says in the file history [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 23:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:And? Doesn't mean anything about the templates. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::then what should i do? should i delete the map? [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 04:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==Ecruteak Dance Theater==
A rocket grunt mentions hula dancing...reference to Hawaii possibly? He tells this to the Kimono Girl --User:xaigon_paladin 1:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah. Because it was made by the Hawaiians (technically settlers from Polynesia or something). Adding. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu's Location ==

Isshu has been said to be far away from the other regions, and screenshots of Black and White show various landmarks similar to what are found in San Francisco (Such as the Golden Gate Bridge). I feel this should be mentioned. {{unsigned|Tveye}}
:I've heard New York and I've heard Hong Kong. Let's leave it at "some place really far away that might not be Japan" until the games are released and we can make more informed choices. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== propaganda. ==
Tsushima was an island of Korea before 1945; the old name is ''Daemado''.

Tsushima doesn't belong to Korea before 1945. Bulbapedia becomes the place of dispatch of propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think it can be chalked up to being an honest mistake. All you had to do was remove it, there was no need to come here and accuse us of spreading propaganda. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 09:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I am terribly disappointed. It is to not only the guess but also malignant propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Calm down, dude. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:We don't need any nationalist crap here. Correct the mistake yourself or politely point it out.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

He is still doing propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Numbers Stations ==

Do you guys think that we should include in the Ruins of Alph location info that the "Mysterious Transmission" is based on the real world's "Numbers Stations"? These short wave radios are used by spies. http://www.archive.org/details/ird059 --[[User:Kambash|Kambash]] 20:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon world(Original Japanese version) in relation to the real world. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ponyta_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
The change in Pokedex entry is interesting. The explanation of Tokyo Tower exists in a Japanese version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

このわざをみんなはだいもんじやきとよんでいるがそりゃまちがいだ！ほんばきょうとではだいもんじとかおくりびと　よんでいるのだ！

[[Blaine]] refers {{wp|kyoto}}(Japanese city) in Generation III. It is convinced that it is erased in the non-Japanese version because it is not described in BULBAPEDIA. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 05:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== some edits ==

As we are following Revised Hepburn as a standard for romanizations in listing the locations, "Oshima" (under Sevii Islands, Knot Island, prefecture) should be spelled "Ōshima", "Nakoudojima" (under Sevii Islands, Memorial Pillar, specific location) should be "Nakōdojima", and "Meiji no Mori Minoo" (under Johto, National Park, specific location) should be "Meiji no Mori Minō".

There is also "Chubu" (right under Johto) in stead of "Chūbu", "Honshu" (right under Hoenn) in stead of "Honshū", and "Hokkaido" (right under Sinnoh) in stead of "Hokkaidō", as well as a lot of other non-Hepburn romanizations in the comment section (Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto, Oshima, Hokkaido, etc.) alongside the Hepburn ones (Kantō, Tōkaidō, Kyūshū, Hōryū-ji, etc.). I guess non-Hepburn is acceptable, as it is standard in everyday English use (mainly important cities like Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto), but I think it would probably be better to choose either one.

'''Japanese Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Chichijima (Sevii Islands, Fortune Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%88%B6%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Hahajima (Sevii Islands, Quest Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AF%8D%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Yaebishi (Hoenn, Mirage Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%AB%E9%87%8D%E5%B9%B2%E7%80%AC

'''English Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Meiji no Mori Minō Quasi-National Park (Johto, National Park): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_no_Mori_Min%C5%8D_Quasi-National_Park

Cape Nosappu (Sinnoh, Vista Lighthouse): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Nosappu

If you are still reading this, thank you for hearing me out. --[[User:Spenvdm|Spenvdm]] 12:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== The motif of Isshu is New York. ==

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html
"Junichi Masuda" is insisted on that the motif of Isshu is New York. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== "Go West Young Meowth" refereence? ==

He was in California in the [[EP070|episode]]. {{unsigned|444Zekrom}}
:That's already noted in the episode. Besides, it really wouldn't be possible for them to travel from the Kanto Region to Hollywood, California with a van, and absolutely no reference to a plane in sight (since it was heavily implied that they took a van to get there.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 09:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== How are these real world locations? ==

"In A Bite to Remember, Jessie says that Albert Einstein created the light bulb. Max corrects her, saying that Thomas Edison was the creator."

"A Rocket Grunt mentions the hula dance to a Kimono Girl while in the Ecruteak dance theater"

Ive never heard of any locations named :Albert Einstein,Thomas Edison, kimono or hula.
It seems the person who added this seems to be mistaken with pokemon in relation to real world things.
I thought this was meant to include reference to PLACES!--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 08:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:The article isn't limited to locations, but those points were in the wrong section. I created a new section for people and cultures. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
::The hula dance point disappeared. And I'm leaving for school now, so I can't do it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Side regions ==

The section is blank! Hardly fitting of a featured article. I propose noting Almia (covered above a few times) and Orre (expliclty confirmed, see the citation in the [[Orre]] article. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu ==
Not wanting to add more information as there have been issues about its origin on other pages (no pun intended). However, I would like to point out that the note about Hiun City should be in the comments column, not shoved into the specific location column like it currently is. Could an admin fix that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu seems not to exist in North American continent. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Isshu#New_Map_of_isshu.
The game freak seems to have created the continent of fictitious. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Anime=/=Games--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 19:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

The United Tower is based in United States Headquarters in New York --[[User:Angelical Master Aqua|Angelical Master Aqua]] 22:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Do you have anything to back that up, or is it just baseless speculation? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==Capitilization error in title==

One would think that a featured article would have correct capitilization in the title. In the title the letters begin with lowercase letters when they should be uppercase. This is a basic rule of writing. I suggest this to be moved to so that the title is properly capitilized. If no one responds otherwise I'll move it to a correctly capitilized page. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:I guess sence no one responded it's okay to move? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
::Okay I'm moving the article to '''Pokémon World In Relation To The Real World.''' Any objections please let me know withen five minutes. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Not only is it not acceptable to move something just because someone hasn't "answered", it also looks very retarded. Unless it's something very specific, it Does Not Get Written Like This Because It Looks Wrong. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Besides, I also think you were acting too hasty anyway, you could have contacted one of the administrators first since it would have been easier to avoid making a simple mistake like this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Well I'm sorry I thought that since no one had anwsered that it was okay. I posted three times and someone could have said something instead of ignoring my comments. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::No, your method of doing this was completely inappropriate. You don't tell people to respond within 5 minutes. You wait until at least one person responds. That's the whole point of a discussion. You can't have a discussion with yourself. I can't speak for the rest, but I can't sit around here all day watching all the talk pages. I had only noticed this discussion here after I realized what was done. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Well I sencerly apologize for the way I handled the situation and I will not do it again in the future. I just want to help edit and I'm sorry if I made more work for you on here. I don't want to look "retarded" again. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Don't worry about it. Also, I didn't call you retarded, I know my choice of words there was inappropriate but that wasn't directed at you. I apologize if I offended you. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::It's okay you are just doing your job as admin. Thank you for letting me know about my mistake. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

==Anyone think this is important??==
as no one replied to my comment before, I'm putting it again here. I'm almost 100% sure that it's a parallel world! Should we put this in the article as a possibility?--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 09:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'll put it in now. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 16:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::What are you talking about? Are you saying the Pokémon World is a parallel to our world... ? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 18:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 13:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't say it's a parallel to our world, just yet. Have we seen a region based on any part of Africa, Australia, Europe, South America? No. So, it's not parallel enough. I would say the Pokemon world is based on our world. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they aren't there! --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 17:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Official source. Inspiration origin of Unova. ==

Sootopolis City 屋久島 Yakushima 鹿児島県 Kagoshima
The landscape of Sootopolis City is based on Santorini, Greece.

There is such a description. I similarly reflect an official source.

* Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from {{wp|Brooklyn Bridge}} and {{wp|Rainbow Bridge (Tokyo)|Rainbow Bridge}}.
* Tubeline Bridge draws inspiration from the {{wp|Forth Bridge}}.
* Village Bridge draws inspiration from the old Italian bridge.
* Entralink draws inspiration from the {{wp|Tokyo Imperial Palace}}.

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Fiore ==

My proposal: Fiore could be the northern part of the Shimokita Peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimokita_Peninsula)

* Rural.
* Closest to Sinnoh (Hokkaido).
* The geography fits very well.

[[User:KameXros|KameXros]] 17:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

== Real-world locations mentioned in the Anime: from dub or original? ==

It seems to me that some of the real-world locations mentioned in the Anime would clearly only be from the Dub. I think it's important to note this in the article somehow. [[User:Chaosakita|Chaosakita]] 07:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

== Hoenn ==

Having lived in Kyushu for about a year, I have gone around and visited some of the approximate locations that correlate with Hoenn. It would seem that the Kurokawa onsen town is correct for Lavaridge. It's southwest, at the base of Mt. Chimney, as Kurokawa Onsen is northwest in Kyushu.

Beppu seems to be the best match for Fallarbor town. The whole town is rife with geothermal activity with steam rising up all over the urban area. While it has hot springs like Aso town, there are also other forms of geothermal activity such as steam vents. Which I would assume the crater in Fallarbor is supposed to represent.

In terms of Meteor Falls, it appears that it isn't just one source of inspiration, but many. Oita prefecture is famous for both waterfalls and limestone caves. As inspiration for the cave setting, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Furen Cave. [http://www.furenshonyudo.jp/] So it would seem that Meteor Falls is a combination of both the waterfalls and limestone caves found in the Oita prefecture.

On a final note, it looks like Sootopolis City is shaped more like Yakushima Island. Ever Grande city is currently compared to Yakushima, but it seems inaccurate. As Yakushima is circular, and closer in relation to Sootopolis than Iwojima. Ever Grande city is shaped more like Okinawa Island when comparing the two. Just my two cents on what might need correction in the Hoenn section. And I'd be happy to know what everyone else thinks. ([[User:MauvilleGrovyle|MauvilleGrovyle]] ([[User talk:MauvilleGrovyle|talk]]) 02:25, 13 July 2012 (UTC))

== Fortree City: Kobayashi City, Miyazaki Prefecture? ==

Just flipping through Wikipedia and apparently there's an legend in the town involving the Suki Suspension Bridge, and since Fortree is big into their bridges, could be a match? If nobody has any significant objections I'll add it in. [[User:Rinne|Rinne]] ([[User talk:Rinne|talk]]) 16:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

== A Pokémon Center in Pokémon BW/B2W2 ==

In the Pokémon Black/White/Black2/White2 game, a [[:wikipedia:globe|globe]] is located on the second floor of any [[Pokémon Center]]s, it shows the real world, not the Pokemon world.

-- [[User:Love Krittaya|Love Krittaya]] ([[User talk:Love Krittaya|talk]]) 19:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's the Geonet, and it appears in DPPtHGSS too in the GTS/Global Terminal. It's necessary that it is the real world as it allows player's to specify their home country (and state/province) for international communication purposes. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI ==

At what point is it a good idea to add details here about Kalos/France and Lumiose City/Paris? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 03:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

==Cerulean City RL Counterpart==
In the table featured within the article, Cerulean City is said to be based on the real world Saitama City, Saitama Prefecture, Japan. Saitama City was not officially a city until 2001, several years after the 1st generation games. Cerulean was a city before Saitama existed as a city.

While you could then say that Cerulean was based on what was to become Saitama City, the geographical locations don't match either. With Maebashi and Mt Akagi (Pewter and Mt Moon) being way up in Gunma Prefecture, the scale of the map is huge. As Cerulean is much further East, but no further South, to put it down in Saitama Prefecture at all seems like a gross misplacement. The real-world counterpart would be much further East.

This makes me think it's actually a city called Tsuchiura, in Ibaraki prefecture.

Aside from this being a far more likely and accurate geographical correlation, Tsuchiura has many other points of relevance for Cerulean. Tsuchiura is famous for its massive abundance of lotus root; these plants grow and bloom in man-made lagoons - they are floating blooms. Cerulean is also mentioned as a "seaside" city, despite not being quite as far East as the sea; Tsuchiura sits right next to lake Kasumigaura, the second biggest lake in Japan, and has a seaside feel as a result, despite, as with Cerulean, not being quite as far East as the actual sea. The area that joins onto Tsuchiura, to the North East, is called Kasumigaura, possibly the inspiration for the gym leader (Kasumi) Misty. Misty's gym is located towards the bottom of Cerulean City, and Tsuchiura also has a huge gymnasium, including a complex of swimming pools and water park type features, which is located towards the bottom of the city. There are a couple of rivers that run through Tsuchiura, the largest being the river Sakura. The trainer bridge could also potentially correspond to the bridge that links Kasumigaura with Kasumigaura Fureai Land, although this is a little more speculative.

I'm aware that I could be wrong, but a great many things do seem to fit, or show a heavy similarity of being a match of some kind. Feel free to agree or disagree, but let me know what your reasons are for doing so. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 11:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

:Welcome to Bulbapedia! As for Cerulean, you seem to have done your homework. I agree with you to change Saitama to Tsuchiura. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 15:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

::Thanks. I sort of missed my point when I mentioned the Sakura river. "Sakuragawa" means "river of bloom" which isn't a huge leap from "water of flower" - similar to the unofficial but generally accepted name for the sisters at Cerulean gym in the animé. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 00:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

==Kalos Region==
I thought I'd submit some Kalos region counterparts for consideration. I haven't found a lot; just a few leads. The first is the most obvious: Lumiose City clearly corresponds to Paris. Others are less clear. I think the Tower of Mastery corresponds to Mont Saint-Michel, and Geosenge Town and the stones around it probably correspond to the Carnac Stones, or a similar site of standing stones. If anyone wants to add these or has better ideas of what these locations correspond to, feel free to add them to the page. I'm still easing back into the editing groove, so I don't feel up to adding them myself yet. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

Sakhalin is not disputed between Russia and Japan, how Sinnoh section of this article says. (Only Southern Kuril islands, including Kunashir are currently claimed by Japan).
Southern Sakhalin belonged to Japan before WWII, but now it is recognized part of Russia. [[User:Ruxax|Ruxax]] ([[User talk:Ruxax|talk]]) 23:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==
I think I may have some suggestions for what some of locations of the Kalos Region is based on.

Vaniville Town: Moulins or Nevers;

Aquacorde Town: Nevers, Bourges, or Auxere;

Santalune City: Fontainbleau or Auxere;

Camphrier Town: Orleans or Tours;

Cyllage City: St. Nazerre or Guérande;

[[User:UsagiNeko|UsagiNeko]] ([[User talk:UsagiNeko|talk]]) 04:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

== Battle Maison / Château de Chenonceau real world equivalent addition ==

I know that this article has a lot of fan speculation but I've gone ahead and added a real-world equivalent to the Battle Maison in X and Y as Château de Chenonceau. I was surprised that nobody so far has noticed the parallel between the two since the similarity is striking. Their layout as a bridge-castle is very similar and the visual style is so as well. They are also both in the same equivalent location (the Loire Valley, famous for its castles), west of Lumiose/Paris and close to Camphrier Town/Blois.{{unsigned|Almsivi}}

== Featured article disqualification ==

I have noticed that this article doesn't meet the criteria to be a featured article and I think that this should go to the candidates for removal of featured article. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 12:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
:The featured article is no long something we use. Articles that are already featured will remain featured, and no new articles will become featured. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

== Moon landing ==

In the Generation I games (and presumably the remakes as well), a woman in the Pewter museum refers to the first "lunar landing" (Apollo 11) and says that it took place on July 20,1969. Should this be added to the article? [[User:RS89|RS89]] ([[User talk:RS89|talk]]) 12:25, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:Well, since we know that this event ''really'' took place that time, then I think it should be added. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 16:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

== Floaroma Town ==

Why isn't Floaroma Town included in the Sinnoh section? It should be located just under Oreburgh Mine, however I'm still looking for it's location on Hokkaido. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:46, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I was looking at Google Earth, and the rough location would be the city of Ishikari, however, that is just what it is, a location. Is it possible that Valley Windworks should actually be listed as Floaroma Town because Tomamea is a town as well? [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Battle Zone ==

If possible, shouldn't the Battle Zone be a little more specific? i.e. Fight, Survival, Resort Area, Stark Mountain, etc. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 01:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Fukuoka is Biggest city in Kyushu, ==

BUT PETALBURG ISN'T BIGGEST CITY IN HOENN!!!!! NOT BASED ON FUKUOKA!!!!!--[[user:youngster|たんぱんこぞう]] [[user_talk:youngster|ｺﾞﾛｳ]] 01:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Location Inspiration ==

I don't know why, but for some reason, I think that the city the 18th movie takes place in is based on Chicago, mostly because the skyscraper on the left side of the poster looks a lot like Trump Tower, which is in the city. It just seems like a really good possibility that this city is based on Chicago. {{Unsigned|Harmonmj13}}

== Sea Spirit's Den ==

I wanted some agreement on this before I changed it, but I think Sea Spirit's Den is actually based on {{wp|Alderney}} and not {{wp|Jersey}}. If you compare a map of the [http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/channel-islands/map_of_channel-islands.jpg Channel Islands ] and [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8a/Kalos_alt.png Kalos] I think you will see that the 2 bigger green ones are Jersey and Guernsey, the little one is Sark and Sea Spirit's Den is Alderney. It is probably worth noting that historically the islands were part of Normandy (Northern France).

Another thing, it says that Jersey is part of the UK, this isn't correct. Jersey (and the other channel islands) have a complex relationship with the UK but they do not form part of it. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_dependencies This page] has more info on this. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 09:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

More specificly shouldn't Resort area be {{wp|Korsakovsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}}, Fight area and Survival Area in {{wp|Anivsky District}}, {{wp|Nevelsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}} or something more specific then just Sakhalin? {{unsigned|Raltseye}}

== edit war ==

You may have noticed the edit war between myself and Ratchet and Clank 1995, he/she is wrong. {{wp|British Islands}} is a legal term that unambiguously refers to the UK, Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey (the latter two are collectively the Channel Islands), as the wiki article says. He/she is right that the Channel Islands are not part of Great Britain/UK, which is why I changed it from UK to British Islands in the first place. (Originally he said he changed it because they were not part of the {{wp|British Isles}}, he/she may be right geographically but the term british isles is often used to include the channel islands)

While they are not technically part of the UK, Channel Islands are still 'British'. The inhabitants are entitled to a British passport, the queen is head of state, and the UK has responsibility for the defence and international representation of the islands. This is note worthy because they are the only non-French part of Kalos (although historically the islands were part of Normandy - Northern France). However, due to complicated reasons, it is incorrect to say they are part of the UK. 'British Islands' may be an unusual term, but it is correct and conveys that they are British without getting into complicated politics. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:Well then to be more specific they are [[wp:Crown dependencies]] officialy. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 15:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we should use the term Crown dependencies as the user Raltseye mentioned above but I'm not going to change it anymore. I have .[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:37, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

:I'm not sure about using the term 'Crown Dependences', it's a little obscure, I feel as if we would have to explain what it means and that would make us go off topic. There are pros and cons to using either 'British Isles' or 'British Islands', but I don't care anymore let's just leave it as British Isles [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

== Snowbelle ==

Likening Snowbelle City to Grenoble seems pretty unlikely as Grenoble is further south than Lyon, which is commonly accepted to be Kiloude City. It seems a lot more likely that Snowbelle is supposed to be Besançon or one of the surrounding cities such as Montbéliard, Dole or Lons-Le-Saunier, considering the region is known for cross-country skiing in the Jura mountains as well as freezing weather in the winter (the region of Jura is sometimes affectionately called "Little Siberia"). The general location fits, as well. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 17:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:I was the person to link Kiloude City to Lyon and I still believe this to be correct, one reason why I linked it was the fact that Lyon is just slightly North of the Gironde estuary which its Pokémon counterpart can be seen on the Kalos map so they seem to match. You have made a valid point that Grenoble is too far south so I agree with you and that Snowbelle cannot possibly be based on Grenoble's location. I would say go ahead and change Grenoble to Besançon as it does seem to fit and the fact that it's called "Little Siberia" could go in the notes section as it actually seems relevant.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::I edited it. Further reading for reference : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extreme_temperatures_in_France , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouthe . To be fair, Snowbelle itself doesn't resemble Besançon much, but as it's the largest city in Franche-Comté and the capital of the infamously cold Doubs department, it seems fair. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 14:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

== Kenya ==

I'm tired of seeing all of you edit warring over something so small without anyone bothering to open a discussion, so instead I'm starting a discussion on it. Personally, I don't see the problem with adding something on the end along the lines of "Kenya is also the name of a mountain in the country of Kenya, Mount Kenya, from which the country derives its name." I don't think it would hurt to add a small line on like that, especially considering that it is in fact where the name originates. Yes, the Spearow is probably named after the country, but the country itself is named after the mountain. '''[[User:Slimey01|slimey]][[User talk:Slimey01|01]]''' 13:32, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
:There was a discussion, on my talk page, where I clearly said that the country is the most likely reference. The mountain is irrelevant in this case since it's not something one would immediately think of. I've already made it clear, but Ratchet is just being stubborn.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
::To point out even more, 4 users total were involved in the discussion, with 3 of the 4 agreeing that the country is the first (if not only) thing most people would think of. As Force Fire said, these wars are the result of one person with the strong belief that their opinion outweighs the majority of other opinions expressed, which at this point I will no longer be dealing with reverting, leaving it for staff members to deal with. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:08, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I would however think of the mountain and so would a lot of other people. Kenya is also a name that has been used in the USA since the 1960s so the Spearow could just have the name Kenya. There is one issue with that point which is the other points actually say a location this Spearow just happens to have the name Kenya which doesn't mention the location, the only way it could would be if the guard said that he named it after the country and that would be the mention not the name itself.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
::::You wouldn't be saying that if you didn't know that the mountain existed or there are people named Kenya. You're only using that because you've just looked that up and are trying to justify yourself. I didn't know about the mountain or people named Kenya, but now that I do know, I still think the country is the first thing that comes to mind. No common person is going to know either the mountain or people named Kenya, because the country is much more significant than the two. I've already told you to let this go, and you are clearly not listening. This discussion is close and the decision is final.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:17, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::What, I knew about the mountain way before this, in school my class did a project about Kenya in 2006 so myself and everyone who was in the same class knows about Mount Kenya. Every Kenyan probably knows about the mountain and the fact that their country is named after it. You said that no one would know about the name Kenya, people who know people called Kenya would know about it being used as a name. It's just a guess that it is named after Kenya as no other information is provided and as a result my decision is final and the whole point stays off.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 00:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::And per usual, you completely missed what I said. I said no '''common''' person is going to know the mountain or people named Kenya, of course people living in Kenya (and geographers, for that matter) are going to know the mountain. But everyone else, no... just no. You are in no position to say what the final decision is, I've already said no but you're clearly not listening.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:52, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Thinking about it, after all of this discussion you have only been able to say it is "most likely the country" and haven't provided any evidence to say that it actually certainly does mention the country. As there is no certain way of knowing whether it actually mentions the country it should be left out because the Spearow just has a nickname which has been a name in the USA since the 1960s whereas all of the other points has a character actually say a place. By this logic of "most likely" couldn't we say Ash's Charizard is most likely male because of its relationship with Charla and the fact that homosexual and bisexual Pokémon have not been confirmed to exist in the anime. If we go by that logic Charizard's page should just say it's male. Ask random Pokémon fans what gender they think Charizard is and they probably all think male. This site seems to have it both ways in the case of genders it has to be explicitly stated whereas in this instance it doesn't it's just a name the guard didn't say that he named it after the country. I really don't see any difference but you admins have it both ways when it suits you,

:::::::'''HYPOCRISY!!!!!'''[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Using your logic, ask any random joe about what they think of when they hear "Kenya", they'll tell you the country. You have been told to drop this by not only me, but by Kogoro as well. So for the last time, drop it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
(resetting indent)You didn't even argue against my point about the fact that you are only using "most likely" the country. In your argument about Pangoro's slash you made it very clear that assumptions should not be made yet you are doing exactly that on this article. As I mentioned Ash's Charizard is most likely male and it's page doesn't state male so why when there is no explicit information stating that the country is mentioned is this allowed but in order for a Pokémon's gender to be confirmed it must be explicitly stated. Why don't you drop it and just allow the point to be removed because it doesn't add much to the page and it doesn't actually mention it as it's only a name that has been used since the 1960s so they could have just called it Kenya.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

== Anville Town ==

I noticed under the Unova section nobody put the equivalent to Anville Town. There's nothing much to actually do in Anville, but I believe there still has to be a real-life counterpart to it. I was speaking with my mother about this, and she grew up in Queens so she knows New York and Northern New Jersey like the back of her hand. I grew up in Bergen County, so I know a bit about it too. I asked her exactly what Anville Town would be based off of based upon its location, and we came to the conclusion that it is the equivalent to Morristown, NJ. Morristown is known for its train station and one of its stops transits right into the 59th Street's station (which is what Nimbasa is based off of).
Yay or nay? {{unsigned|MeruNoUta}}

== Spear Pillar ==

Mt. Asahi is the highest peak in Hokkaido, as Spear Pillar is the highest peak in Sinnoh. Mt. Asahi's location relative to the rest of Hokkaido is also close to Spear Pillar's location relative to the rest of Sinnoh. Can I say that Spear Pillar was based on Mt. Asahi? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:This is a change I was going to suggest as well. Based on Mt. Coronet's layout as you near the peak and what you can see of the surrounding terrain, Mt. Asahi looks to be a very close match to Spear Pillar. It's also in the correct geographical position, and it works uncannily well in locating the Sinjoh Ruins (or at least where ''I'' think they are). [[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 06:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

== Decolore Islands ==

I noticed that the region hasn't been added yet, along with the Orange Islands. As a resident of Connecticut, I believe the the Decolore Islands are most likely based on the Thimble Islands. They are located close to New York, the area Unova itself is based on. Additionally, many of the Decolore Islands are not populated and instead used as nature preserves, similar to the major university-owned Thimble Islands used for ecological studies. However, a few islands in the Thimbles are built up considerable, such as Money Island. This is similar to the Unnamed Island in BW138. [[User:Manqoba|Manqoba]] ([[User talk:Manqoba|talk]]) 15:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:With all due respect, I think your perception of likelihood may be influenced by home-state bias. Looking at a map, the Thimble Islands hug Connecticut ''very'' closely, far from the border with New York, and ''very'' far from any part of New York that Unova is based on. I think this is a case of confirmation bias, sorry. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Assuming that Oblivia is in fact based on the Oki Island, here is what I believe to be the relation:
*Dolce Island is Chibu
*Renbow Island and Mitonga Island form the two halves of Nishinoshima
*Sophian Island is Okinoshima (transposed a bit)
But Faldera, Layuda and Tilikule have no real-world counterpart. [[User:Ifni400|Ifni400]] ([[User talk:Ifni400|talk]]) 23:51, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Images and Mystery Dungeon ==

I have two questions, 1. Why is it that only the three latest regions have a compairing image to the corresponding real world location? Also both Unova's and Kalos' as well as Almia's image all have the real world location above it while Alola's is located beneeth. Why? 2. Isn't the Mystery Dungeon world based on somewhere in the world or is it just made out of the air so to speak. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 11:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Blackthorn City, Dragon's Den and Ice Path ==

Northeastern Johto is not an easy area to pin down, but I think I've found something that accurately depicts the Blackthorn area. I can tell people have already made a significant effort to locate these places, so I don't want to make any changes to their contributions without talking about them first.

First off, I don't think there's much significance between Clair's Japanese name, Ibuki, and the suggested Dragon's Den, Mt. Ibuki. Ibuki means "breath", and is often associated with a strong will, impulsive behavior and over-sensitivity; this seems to fit Clair pretty well. In GSC, the TM she awards you with is Dragonbreath, or Ryu-no-ibuki in the JP version, another possible origin of her name. I'm sorry, but I'm really starting to doubt her name was inspired by the mountain believed to have the had the world's heaviest snowfall in recorded history, so I don't think there's much supporting that mountain as the location of Dragon's Den. However, given the mountain's close proximity to "Mahogany" and "Lake of Rage" and its own icy history, I think it's a strong candidate for the entrance to Ice Path.

The next thing I want to critique is the Blackthorn-Shirakawa theory. The main thing that made me look into this is that Shirakawa is significantly far away from where you'd expect to find it relative to the other locations we've found, and unlike the the questionable relationship between Cherrygrove/Violet, Shirakawa is also very far away from every other location we've found (it's the most isolated location in all of real-world Johto/Kanto to date). Additionally, Shirakawa is famous for its nearly-uniform gasshō-zukuri, but these designs aren't reflected in Blackthorn's new buildings even though Violet and Ecruteak received makeovers that match Nara and Kyoto.

Okay, now for my suggestions. I think Blackthorn is Kai/Kofu, Yamanashi; Ice Path (exit) is the oft-hypothesized Narusawa Ice Cave, Yamanashi; and Dragon's Den is Kanazakura-jinja Shrine, Yamanashi.

My first lead came when I saw a "Did You Know" on the Smash Bros series; during development the first game was called "Dragon King: Fighting Game" and featured a striking picture of a low-rise neighborhood with Mt Fuji (Mt Silver) in the background. The video claimed the game's name came from that neighborhood, which just so happened to be where HAL Laboratory was located, and that the picture was taken by a certain programmer I'll name later. This all piqued my interest, so I started digging. The town's name was Ryūō, with a population around 40,000 (right on the low end of other towns believed to inspire other towns up to this point), and it was merged with several other towns into Kai in 2004 (after the release of GSC). Geographically, it's a strong match for Blackthorn, surrounded by mountains and with Fuji standing prominently to its Southeast; the biggest issue is that it's tightly clustered with a number of significant cities. Then I zoomed out, and I realized the broader Kofu basin is a very close match to the birds-eye view shape of Blackthorn (use Earth mode to make this more apparent). According to legend, the Kofu basin used to be a lake until Kami pushed on of the mountains aside and the lake drained to the south; this southerly river-valley is clearly visible from a map and could explain the river in Blackthorn and Route 45 in HGSS.

Okay, so Dragon's Den. Kanazakura-jinja Shrine is just north of Kai, it prominently features a pair of dragons, the "rising and falling dragons", and one carries a fire crystal and the other a water crystal. The translations from their website are a little wonky, but it sounds like these dragons symbolize the reconstruction of the main shrine after it collapsed in a 1953 fire (there's also some visible damage to the Den in HGSS), with the dragons drawing attention to fire above and water below. Rising and falling dragons, fire above/water below... I think this symbolism is an interesting parallel to Dragon's Den and the lava-filled Gym located directly above it, and what was the name of that Gym's badge? Rising. Also, the Shrine wasn't all that burned; most of the Kofu basin was destroyed in a night-time air raid in 1945. Combined, these fires may have inspired Blackthorn's name, Fusube, or black smoke.

Anyone who's still reading has probably already encountered the idea that Narusawa Ice Cave corresponds to Ice Path, so I'll just say Kai/Kofu is sandwiched neatly between the Cave and the Shrine. Also, an Ibuki/Naursawa fused Ice Path may serve as a "portal" of sorts to cover the long distance between Koka/Mahogany and Kai.

Finally, earlier I mentioned HAL's R&D center in Kai and a certain programmer. We know that GameFreak has a habit of featuring themselves in the Pokemon games, but what about guest programmers? Well, HAL may not have worked on GSC directly, but their then-president did! Satoru Iwata famously helped development along through graphical compression (he's directly attributed with freeing up enough space on the cartridges to add the Kanto region to the games), so where might he be in Blackthorn? The Move Deleter, of course! Iwata freed up space on the carts, the MD frees up space on your Pokemon; considering everything else, I find this to be more than mere coincidence.

Any one of these location changes might not be very persuasive on their own, but I think they're pretty compelling when taken altogether. What do you guys think about these possible changes in our listed locations?[[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 07:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

== Lake Valor ==

The article currently says that Lake Valor is based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Kussharo Lake Kussharo], which is closer to Abashiri (Veilstone) than Kushiro (Pastoria). However, I think the lake might be based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Akan Lake Akan]. Although Lake Akan is much smaller and doesn't have the same shape (round with an island in the middle), its location corresponds to Lake Valor's location much better than Lake Kussharo, and there is a small resort village on its southern shore.

[[User:ILoveArceus|ILoveArceus]] ([[User talk:ILoveArceus|talk]]) 21:33, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

== Kahoolawe??? ==

How is [[Exeggutor Island]] based off of Kahoolawe? Kahoolawe is southwest of Maui (& is in Maui County), which is what Akala is based off of, not Kauai. {{User|BoygeyMario}}
:Geographically, Exeggutor Island is Niihau, but if you read the notes, it says that it is uninhabited by humans like Kahoolawe.[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 19:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Azoth Kingdom and England or Italy ==

In the design of the Azoth Kingdom, there are elements that refer to the industrial revolution and Steampunk design, if we take into account that Volcanion is based in part on a steam engine, which was created in England, it would be possible for the Azoth Kingdom it was near north north of Kalos or in England itself.

But if we take into account that Nikola is based on Da Vinci, the kingdom could be on the border between Kalos and some equivalent to Italy in the Pokemon World.

¿What do you think?

[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 9:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
:It seems to me that going by anything other than the architecture itself would be too speculative. Many (dare I say most?) places in the Pokemon world include elements/characters based on things from other places than what the location itself was based on. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

::I said it because Magearna and Volcanion are based on the industrial revolution. [[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 11:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Galar Region ==

So the Galar Region has just been announced for Pokemon Sword and Shield, and I know there were rumours before the announcement that it would be based off of the UK, so as a Briton myself, I've tried to verify that/match the locations. The industrial and farming focus definitely suits the UK, and I can see a structure that looks like the Palace of Westminster in the Icy Northern City, suggesting the island is flipped North to South (and possible East-West as well).

Based on this, looking at the red-brick city in which the starters are shown, with its industrial nature, canal leading to the sea and bordering mountains, I think that it represents Manchester, which would mean that the city by the wall where the ice starts would be Birmingham, although none of it's features match.

It's also possible the city on the sea is Liverpool, due to being on the coast between Manchester and Birmingham.

The industrial City being Manchester also fits with the lakes South of it, which would represent the Lake District
These cities would suggest that the region represents just England, rather than the whole of the UK.

Just some preliminary ideas, we shall have to wait for more information before confirming anything.

Talk:Pokémon world in relation to the real world/Archive 1

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ZiggyAngelo8: /* Galar Region */

==Cinnibar==
It's quite possible that Cinnibar is a part of the Sevii Islands, as Midway Island, for instance, is technically a part of the Hawaiian chain. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 19:26, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Shinnou==
Where did that information come from that Shino is based on Hokkaido? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:Because, you gotta look at the released Corocoro scans from this month ==[[User:Jason|Jade]] 2.56pm, 14 June 2006 (AEST)

::And what do you know about Japanese geography, eh? Could be Hokkaido - but the mountain chain makes me suspect Hokuriku - which is on the west side of the Japanese Alps. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:::To anyone who wishes to edit this page so as to state that Hokkaido has been confirmed - learn Japanese beforehand and refrain from counting on unofficial web sites. CoroCoro only referred to Shin'ō as an island similar to Hoenn - that leaves Shikoku and Hokkaido. It is plain to see that the map, which has been largely revealed to us, takes the shape of Hokkaido. It is for this that some web sites such as Filb.de claim it to be based on Hokkaido as if it were confirmed.

:::Unlike Zhen Lin, I am absolutely confident in the veracity of Hokkaido. Even so, the correct wording is to be used at the very least until a full map has been obtained. Hoenn was confirmed to have been modeled after Kyūshū not long after Ruby and Sapphire had seen release. That said, Sevii Islands and Orre have thus far remained in the realm of speculation - but at least we have the resources provided by the games. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]

::::What about the orange islands and fiore? [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 14:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I mean look at Sinnoh's shape...

Funny thing about orre...(get it?Orrezona((Arizona and Orre)).).

--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 06:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

==Indian elephants==
Hm. I was flipping through my FireRed game the other day, and there's lots of Indian elephants mentioned in the Pokedex entries... is this worth mentioning? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] 02:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Pikachu's power? Definately. --[[User:Kyoufu Kawa|Kyoufu Kawa]] 18:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Noah's ark==
I was watching ''[[EP016|Pokémon Shipwreck]]'' and i noticed that brock tells about noah and the ark. Can we put that somewhere? --[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 22:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:: What the heck does that have to do with geography? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:::It doesn't, it has to do with history of our world [[User:Count Caterpie|Count]] [[User talk:Count Caterpie|Caterpie]] 23:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Wrong again. It has to do with the mythology of our world, not history. You shouldn't too much into it, anyway, it was just a cop out. They didn't feel like making a whole new religion for the series, so they stole the most readily available one.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 14:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== About the real world locations mentioned section... ==

some of these things just have to go. The Fantina dialogue thing doesn't really have anything to do with it since that only happened immediately before the battle, not when you first encounter her at the contest hall or after you beat her. Besides, she could have just been using a fake accent. I mean, [[Blue (Game)|Blue]] was using a french accent when he fought you on the St. Anne, and the last time I checked, he never visited France or anything, never spoke in that accent prior to it, and immediately dropped the accent right after you beat him. Also, i doubt that an Indian elephant should count towards a real world location (maybe real world animal, but definitely not a real world location.)

anyways, thats all for now.

~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

Actually Fantina says something about moving to Hearthrome(spelling might be wrong) City before the battle.I am not sure but I think that backs up that she is from France

~~Starfire~~

Just because she said that she moved to hearthrome city doesn't necessarily mean that she was from France. I mean, if she explicitly stated that she was from France (or canada, even), then yes, that would have merit. But she never really said where she moved from. she only gave a vague mention of another country. I mean, for all we know, she could have just as easily come from the Orange or sevii Islands (I think of the Sevii Islands as an entirely seperate place than an actual region considering how it and Kanto seem to have somewhat of a feud before you arrived that wouldn't be of this scale if it was a region.], or Heck, even Orre (they seemed to imply through a news report in colosseum that it has entirely different regions due to the fact that they mentioned that several regions were attacked by [[Shadow_Pokemon|Abnormal Pokemon]], and since Kanto/Johto/Hoenn never even referenced being attacked by them, that seems to imply that it is an entirely different country in and of itself.).

I mean if you wish, go ahead, but I just want to say that I'm not too sure about that. I mean, if she was explicitly said to have come from france (like the Trainer dex in Pokemon FRLG said about Lt. Surge [I don't count the "Lightning American" thing as evidence that he is American since Some of the Gym Leaders were given similar nicknames even though they really don't have any corollation with each other (Tomboyish Mermaid, Elegant Princess, among others comes to mind [Misty's not a mermaid because she doesn't have a fish tail, she doesn't sit on rocks to comb her hair {her hair is very short, anyways}, and she never really stated that she was a Mermaid or related to them. As for Erika, she never really said that she was related to any royal family.].).].) then, yes, Go on ahead.

But since she never really stated that she was from France (her speaking french doesn't count since 1. she seemed to be faking it since the only time she ACTUALLY spoke french was when you meet up with her, which she drops when she is close to losing, and 2. Even IF she was actually able to speak french, that doesn't mean she is from France. remember, Canada, Jamacia as well as some african countrys speak French as part of their language.), we shouldn't say that she was from France.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

== Regarding the map... ==

The map is veerrryyy wrong! It should be like this: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1206/japanforonceandforeverdz3.png
Or maybe this is clearer: http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4092/japanys0.png
Please people, it's a common made mistake, but it isn't that hard to see, is it?

Zig

== Deoxys reference ==

The "North Pole" doesn't necessarily have to be a reference to a real-world location. Every planet has a north and south pole. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 20:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Antarctica or North Pole? ==

I'm confused. I could have sworn that Deoxys landed in Antarctica, yet this article says it's the North Pole. Could someone clarify? [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|Jirachi]][[User talk:JirachiWishmaker0802|Wishmaker0802]] 10:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:It's possible different tellings of the franchise have different landing spots for Deoxys. For all we know, had [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] reached Hoenn, Deoxys could have crashed in downtown {{wp|Honolulu, Hawaii}} in that telling. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

::You know, I think we should eliminate it from the references section, as the term "North pole" doesn't necessarily hint at Antartica. Besides, Antartica isn't even the North Pole, if anything, it's more the exact opposite term. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

==Could someone update the map?==

Almia should be included, as it's attached to Sinnoh. {{unsigned|LynnCreed}}

no almia's place should not be part of the main map because it is just a side game. almia should be in a "side game's map". Maybe that small part will be part of another generation game! do you have absolute proof from the developers of the game? i think not! plus if there is no mention of the national pokedex, then almia is in a different nation. since the main games are one nation, most likely the geography is influenced by japan, there are no separate nations inside what is similar to japanese land. you cannot be too sure until it is 100% proven. plus almia is just a small area of land similar to most things to the world right now. it can be part of the area of northern africa and mediterranean sea. also the games state that they are far away from the main pokemon games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

== Game Systems ==

Would that be a reference to the real world because they are made in the real world? {{unsigned|Midnight Blue}}

== {{wp|Harlan County, Kentucky}} ==

In my sperpetic,Oreburgh reminds me around my home County, Harlan County , also the mines.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 23:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Your what?--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::Lots of places have mines. He means ''perspective''. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::There's pretty much no chance that a Japanese game is referring to your home county. There are many more notable mining areas, many in Pennsylvania, for example. I'm sure there's even more in Japan that are more likely. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 23:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::True, but then again, the Metal Gear series was a Japanese game (it was made in Japan, and was originally intended to be Japanese exclusive), and yet most of it's locations were anywhere BUT Japan (In fact, the only REAL Japanese references that was in the MG games was Master Miller, Akiba, "Kuwabara, Kuwabara", and the Tsuchinoko from "Snake Eater", which is pretty lacking anyways.). Heck, Sootopolis's geography was inspired by Santorini, Greece. For all we know, Harlan County could have served as a minor inspiration. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::As someone from Bullitt County, Kentucky, I'm going to have to say that such a claim is silly. We have had some form of confirmation on every other consistency. Until TPC comes out and says, "Yeah, it's totally our intention that Oreburgh be based on a county in the eastern part of a state in the US that we have almost assuredly never heard of," it's just very erroneous speculation. PS - Go MSU. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 04:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Map with Almia ==
I've made a map with Almia included. I think it's better to use this one
File:Pokemonworld.png
--Furanty 17:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I think we should keep the almia part blank.It's not even part of the main series obviously. or we could make maps of the main series and the other series separate. spinoff regions does not always relate to the main regions. Almia might be a parallel to india for all we know! plus almia does not look like it is on that part of japan but more on the southern part of sinnoh. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
: Note that the game with Almia mentions that Shinoh is nearby (hence the choice to send the Manaphy egg there). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pepe Toño Macías ==

On latinamerican dub, James' voice actor always names a real world city (mostly latin-american, but some famous world cities are mentioned to) on Team Rocket's Motto, replacing the earlier "y extender nuestro reino hasta las estrellas" with "y extender nuestro reino a [real world city]". Most latin-american capital cities has been named as well as many other important cities like Córdoba (Argentinian seconds), Acapulco or Cancún (Mexican strongest tourist region), Punta del Este (famous uruguayan city), Viña del Mar (Chilean city who host one of the most sponsored music shows on the region), etc.

He is also the main reason to include many differents countries slangs to the whole Team Rocket, mostly mexican ones because of where the dub is translated. {{unsigned|Mephisto}}

== Other Articles? ==

Is there a reason all this information is listed only here, and not on the locations individual pages? Personally I think it is relevant Trivia that, for instance, Mt. Silver is based on Mt. Fuji. [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 05:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:It's listed on some of them, mainly the regions. Sure it's interesting trivia, but we don't want the articles to be made of 100% trivia. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::True, but in some cases wouldn't you say it's relevant? For instance, Ecruteak City is based on Kyoto (not mentioned in Ecruteak's article at the moment), both cities are very old and have a lot of history. Kyoto is famous outside Japan- I'd hazard a guess at it being the second most well known Japanese city. Kyoto's history contributes to Ecruteak's role in the games. Wouldn't you say that's relevant? Violet City being based on Nara is, perhaps, less relevant, and wouldn't be very meaningful to most people using the wiki, so things like that perhaps could be skipped. But I definitely think that at least Mt. Silver/Fuji and Ecruteak/Kyoto are worth mentioning. I want to say something regarding Tokyo too, but the matter seems pretty complicated since there's no single Tokyo analogue.

::Also, just a passing thought, is it worth maybe mentioning the opposite- for places like Pacifidog town- that they are lacking in real world analogue? [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 04:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

==Regarding Hoenn==

Actually, I've done some of my own research into the correlation between Hoenn and its real-life counterpart and would like to argue that Rustboro is a much better candidate to counterpart with Fukuoka than Rustboro. The region (according to wikipedia which is the source I used) is known for its industrial and steel works, which seems pretty analogous to Rustboro's Devon Corp.

Also, Lavaridge matches up to Ōita much better than Fallabour. Ōita is closer to Beppu, the hotspring region. It's possible that whoever said Lavaridge was Aso got the two Hoenn Cities mixed up, because looking at the map of Kyushu, they're the other way around.

Kagoshima could possibly be Lilycove, as it's a bay city with a small round island in the port, which could be analogous to Mt. Pyre.

I'm not sure who wrote up the Hoenn cities part of the article, but I'd definitely argue that they didn't look closely enough at a map of Kyushu or of Hoenn, as some of them match up to other cities much better than the ones listed. Sorry to seem like a jerk, but I've done a LOT of reading online about this and it's too bad the Bulba article isn't better. I'll edit the article eventually, I'd just like a reply here first.
[[User:AutumnRain|AutumnRain]] 18:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:Sure, show us what you got. And I completely agree... Rustboro is a much better candidate than Rustboro ;) You may want to doublecheck that :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==Table Overload==
This page is mostly composed of tables, tables, and ''more'' tables. We need some actual writing in here, as well as images, or else I feel this article doesn't deserve its status as a Featured Article. It's informative, but the way it's presented simply doesn't share that information in a productive way. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 15:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:What else would you have us add? If that's all we have, it's kinda hard to add more. And it doesn't look good as a bunch of bullet points making up a whole page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::This is just an idea, but how about some free use pictures of the real-life landmarks, like {{wp|Kinkaku-ji}} (Brass Tower), {{wp|Ginkaku-ji}} (Tin tower), {{wp|Mount Fuji}} (Mt. Silver), etc.? It would be neat to see, especially if we had them side-by-side with game screenshots (or Midori Harada art? ...or anime screenshots, that would probably be better) of the Pokemon world locations. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::That would work, but we'd have to find all of the real world pictures that would look like the Harada art though. We wouldn't have to have a picture for every location though, so whatever Harada art we have we should try to find something for it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, as I edited in, we could also use anime screenshots instead of restricting ourselves to what few Harada location art there is. For example, we could do...
::::: with {{wp|File:Tokyo_Shinjuku_City_20070317.jpg|this}}
::::...Though of course all city skylines look pretty much the same, so that wouldn't be an ideal example. Just pointing out that we could go with anime art too. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would have real information explaining ''why'' these different regions and cities are counterparts to real-world areas. All of the sections simply say "x is based off x". ''Why'' are they based off those areas? Was it stated in an interview, or is there a mountain of evidence that cannot be swept aside as coincidence? Some reasoning would really help this article, and without it the whole page just seems to lack any real information, which is why I don't feel it should be Featured. I also agree with Umeko's suggestion for side-by-side comparison images, but we should definitely limit them to things that, without a doubt, can be visually-comparable. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::I do hope you saw the {{fan speculation}}
::::::at the top of the page. That is why there isn't that much evidence stated. A lot of the things were put up there, and people agreed on it. That's about how fan speculation pages work. But I do agree, we need something more. Unfortunately, that'll be hard to do, since most of it ''is'' speculation. A lot of it though, is where things are located in Japan and the anime, as seen on that map at the top of the page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Of course I noticed. Despite that (or perhaps even ''because'' of it) more information is needed to support these claims. People like knowing ''why'' things are the way they are, not just that they are. Considering the mantle of "fan speculation" is already applied to this article, then we should feel free to add more of it without worry. Now, there should be standards. There should be no doubt that there are correlations between one thing and another, and no "logical" jumps or rationalizations. The towers have the same appearance, purpose, and general history as real-world counterparts... So that could easily be considered a fact and should be elaborated on a bit. Where Orre is, for example, should have options and reasons for and against each one. This article can definitely be improved, but how is something we need to figure out. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

==Comments==
Should the sections in the various tables marked for comments be for notes on the real-world counterparts, as is currently done, or should we only write comments if there's some similarity other than geography to note between the Pokémon world and real world? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 13:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:These comments do talk about similarities. Pallet is the player's hometown, Vermilion has a large harbor, Celadon and Saffron are big cities, Cinnabar has a volcano... The comments are for links between the Pokémon world and the real world. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::Some of them aren't, like the comment for Dewford Town which only states that the real-world basis used to belong to Korea. (That one, at least, just sounds like Japan-Korea politics) [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 14:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Anyone got a clue where around real world Japan, Oblivia lies?
[[File:Oblivia artwork.png]]
Can't see any islands that look like it or anything O: All the islands are so small...{{unsigned|Saiph charon}}
:Might not be an area of Japan. Spin off game regions don't always relate to the other regions. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Milonda Island appears to be based off of Dogo Island.
Rainbow Island seems to be based off of a combination of Nishino and Nakano Islands.
Drop island appears to be based off of Chiburi Island.
They all are part of the Oki Islands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oki_Islands.png

Sopiana Island is without a doubt based off of Ulleungdo Island. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulleungdo

Thundercloud and Shikulele Island appear to be loosely based off of the Liancourt rocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks

All the islands mentioned are found in the sea of Japan north of Chugoku.--[[User:flamin entei|flamin entei]] 19:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== I dont think this is one of the best bulbapedia articles ==

Ive seen dozens more "Other applications of real-world locations" in the anime and that needs to be added.--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:So, um, go for it? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah Im getting there lol.Going to take a while to remember and view all of them that I know of.
Im just very surprised Im the first one to put one in that has appeared in the tv anime series.
--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Regice ==

In pokemon Emerald, Regice's pokedex entry mentions Antartic ice. --[[User:Pkmn master|pkmn master]] 11:12, 14 Febuary 2010 (UTC)

== Map of Side Games ==

I know that the side games are more difficult to place, as far as true geographic regions go (if they even exist), but in the article itself, it mentions Orre as "[bearing] striking resemblance to the Gunma Prefecture of Japan in shape, which would place Orre north of Kanto and Johto." I think this is relevant to include on ''a'' map, although it doesn't have to be the one at the top of the page.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 21:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

we should keep a map of the side games separate from the map with the main games. side games are not really canon with the main games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
:The Pokemon Ranger series of games are canon, Colosseum games, as well, however, seeing how that game contained Manaphy, which needed to be downloaded into DP, and the fact that they have direct connectivity to the main games. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Just because they're canon (which is, I believe, debatable) doesn't mean they all correspond to locations in Japan like the others. And if they don't relate to each other, making a map for them's gonna be pretty hard. On a side note, I think the Orre connections are quite a stretch, and there should at least be comparisons between Orre locations and Arizona alongside the comparisons to Japan. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::lets just separate the maps then. the region on where the side game's area is on might be filled in by a later generation's region, the side game's region might not be in japan because they look like most other areas in the real world and the side region is not part of the main games. even though you can get manaphy in pokemon ranger does not mean that that game is canon. it just means that you can get manaphy from that game. Question- how does almia fit next to sinnoh? almia looks nothing like the tail of hokkaido which is sinnoh's real world counterpart. Almia does not look like it is in the south part of sinnoh either. If sinnoh is the pokemon counterpart of hokkaido shouldn't the center of almia be filled with land? {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

::::If they weren't canon, then there wouldn't be any connectivity, period. Absolutely no ties to the main games whatsoever is the very definition of not canon. That, as well as not even being made by the same people, period. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::sorry to give you an example of another franchise but what about the naruto anime? all of it's filler arcs are noncanon and it has something to do with the characters. plus it is made by the same company who does the rest of the anime. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

==Orre Section Revamp==
I'm sorry, but the section on Orre DEFINITELY needs work. so far it has only three locations listed, and those are listed with the presupposition that Orre is in fact based on a region of Japan. I did some research into Arizona and the surrounding area and found some more noticeable parallels.

Phenac City is obviously based on Phoenix, Arizona, for the reasons listed in the article already.

Mt. Battle could be based on Humphreys Peak, the highest point in Arizona. While it's not a volcano like Mt. Battle, neither is the Gunma Prefecture of Japan a desert. That said, Humphreys Peak also lands in the right place relative to other locations.

Pyrite Town could be based on Yuma, Arizona, which formerly housed a large prison facility (which fits in with both the Pyrite Town jail and the high crime rate in that section of Orre).

Agate Village was hard to find, but I eventually settled on the little town of Oatman, Arizona. Oatman lies right along Route 66, and, as with many towns along that route, has seen better days. While it doesn't appear as fertile as Agate Village, I thought the history of this mountain town fit in with the fact that the population of Agate Village is mostly elderly, with the young moving to the cities instead.

In terms of locations from XD, I widened my search to include locations not specifically in Arizona. I placed Gateon Port at the well-known city of San Diego, California.

Citadark Isle seems to correspond with Isla Guadelupe, a volcanic island off the coast of Baja California.

I don't know how this should be incorporated into the article, but I do believe at least some of this information needs to go there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, Gunma Prefecture isn't a desert, but then again, Floaroma Town isn't a flowerfield in real life, it is a desert. Anyways, I also don't recall Arizona being so barren that animals are even scarcer than water (which in Orre, apparently Pokémon actually are that scarce, at least in Colosseum.). I do doubt that it's near the Gunma Prefecture, but I also doubt that its supposed to be Arizona. Also, even going beyond Arizona, most of the locations don't match up. Citadark Island is on the opposite side of the real life location. Not to mention that San Diego isn't anywhere near that location. Maybe the old Colosseum map might have been based off of Arizona, but going by XD, it's not based off of Arizona or even the Southwestern United States/Mexican area, for that matter. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

::My bad about XD locations; I don't have the game, so it's hard to verify where they go (especially based on the few low quality Orre maps you can find). But nonetheless, the Orre section needs to change or be removed. The similarities listed are a real stretch (Outskirt Stand based on an archaeological site? I doubt it.), and besides, I thought Fiore's section was removed because it was a side game location. Should the same be done for Orre, perhaps with Phenac City moved to the section on non-Japanese influences? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

:: there are no major deserts in japan (if you count the tottori sand dunes then yes but they are in the south of japan). if the fiore section is removed because it was a side game then we should remove orre. plus the state of arizona is not bordered by an ocean or something large like that water area near gateon port {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

:::...What about the Gulf of California? It doesn't have to be shaped EXACTLY like the state, it can also include nearby regions. [[User:Taknamay|Taknamay]] 14:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::::Made a comparison pic to demonstrate Taknamay's point http://i.imgur.com/57Wlq9J.png.
::::That terrain matches almost exactly. And they said Phoenix, Arizona was the inspiration, so seems like a pretty open and shut case to me. Since some of the other regions like Almia have a comparison image, we could use that one. Unfortunately I can't upload images yet so someone else would have to do it --[[User:Foxsong|Foxsong]] ([[User talk:Foxsong|talk]]) 05:46, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

==New Image==
I like how it's been aligned so the regions look more like they do in the games, but technically Hoenn's box should be a lot bigger. That southwestern island chain includes such places as Naha (the inspiration for Ever Grande City), Yonaguni (the inspiration for the Sealed Chamber), and Yaebishi (the inspiration for Mirage Island). In other words, Game Freak curled that island chain around to compress the region into a smaller space, likely for gameplay reasons. Also, it would tickle me pink for the map to include the Sevii Islands, although that might be trickier. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:sorry i couldn't find a good map like the one i had with yonaguni, yaebishi the kuril islands and sakhalin. the colors are for the third games in the generation they were first seen in (in Japan). for johto i made it into suicune's thing on it's head. the sevii islands are red for fire red. if you want me to change the colors or fix anything, please ask. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
::First of all, you should sign your comments with four tildes (~). But in regards to the map, it's wonderful! I'm not too enthralled with the color selection (a bit dull; I would have gone with green for Kanto, yellow for Johto, red for Hoenn, and purple for Sinnoh, as is used in the new HGSS Pokédex guide) but with the level of inclusion contained within this map I'm willing to let that pass. Great job! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:13, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia uses distinct color templates, such as {{template|kanto color}}, for regional coloring. If an official guide uses other colors though... maybe we should look at changing them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::ok i'll change them[[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 03:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::No, you won't. For one thing, the templates /should/ be protected. For another, changes of this nature need to go through the Editorial Board. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
but i created the original image. it says in the file history [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 23:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:And? Doesn't mean anything about the templates. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::then what should i do? should i delete the map? [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 04:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==Ecruteak Dance Theater==
A rocket grunt mentions hula dancing...reference to Hawaii possibly? He tells this to the Kimono Girl --User:xaigon_paladin 1:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah. Because it was made by the Hawaiians (technically settlers from Polynesia or something). Adding. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu's Location ==

Isshu has been said to be far away from the other regions, and screenshots of Black and White show various landmarks similar to what are found in San Francisco (Such as the Golden Gate Bridge). I feel this should be mentioned. {{unsigned|Tveye}}
:I've heard New York and I've heard Hong Kong. Let's leave it at "some place really far away that might not be Japan" until the games are released and we can make more informed choices. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== propaganda. ==
Tsushima was an island of Korea before 1945; the old name is ''Daemado''.

Tsushima doesn't belong to Korea before 1945. Bulbapedia becomes the place of dispatch of propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think it can be chalked up to being an honest mistake. All you had to do was remove it, there was no need to come here and accuse us of spreading propaganda. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 09:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I am terribly disappointed. It is to not only the guess but also malignant propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Calm down, dude. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:We don't need any nationalist crap here. Correct the mistake yourself or politely point it out.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

He is still doing propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Numbers Stations ==

Do you guys think that we should include in the Ruins of Alph location info that the "Mysterious Transmission" is based on the real world's "Numbers Stations"? These short wave radios are used by spies. http://www.archive.org/details/ird059 --[[User:Kambash|Kambash]] 20:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon world(Original Japanese version) in relation to the real world. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ponyta_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
The change in Pokedex entry is interesting. The explanation of Tokyo Tower exists in a Japanese version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

このわざをみんなはだいもんじやきとよんでいるがそりゃまちがいだ！ほんばきょうとではだいもんじとかおくりびと　よんでいるのだ！

[[Blaine]] refers {{wp|kyoto}}(Japanese city) in Generation III. It is convinced that it is erased in the non-Japanese version because it is not described in BULBAPEDIA. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 05:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== some edits ==

As we are following Revised Hepburn as a standard for romanizations in listing the locations, "Oshima" (under Sevii Islands, Knot Island, prefecture) should be spelled "Ōshima", "Nakoudojima" (under Sevii Islands, Memorial Pillar, specific location) should be "Nakōdojima", and "Meiji no Mori Minoo" (under Johto, National Park, specific location) should be "Meiji no Mori Minō".

There is also "Chubu" (right under Johto) in stead of "Chūbu", "Honshu" (right under Hoenn) in stead of "Honshū", and "Hokkaido" (right under Sinnoh) in stead of "Hokkaidō", as well as a lot of other non-Hepburn romanizations in the comment section (Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto, Oshima, Hokkaido, etc.) alongside the Hepburn ones (Kantō, Tōkaidō, Kyūshū, Hōryū-ji, etc.). I guess non-Hepburn is acceptable, as it is standard in everyday English use (mainly important cities like Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto), but I think it would probably be better to choose either one.

'''Japanese Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Chichijima (Sevii Islands, Fortune Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%88%B6%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Hahajima (Sevii Islands, Quest Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AF%8D%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Yaebishi (Hoenn, Mirage Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%AB%E9%87%8D%E5%B9%B2%E7%80%AC

'''English Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Meiji no Mori Minō Quasi-National Park (Johto, National Park): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_no_Mori_Min%C5%8D_Quasi-National_Park

Cape Nosappu (Sinnoh, Vista Lighthouse): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Nosappu

If you are still reading this, thank you for hearing me out. --[[User:Spenvdm|Spenvdm]] 12:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== The motif of Isshu is New York. ==

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html
"Junichi Masuda" is insisted on that the motif of Isshu is New York. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== "Go West Young Meowth" refereence? ==

He was in California in the [[EP070|episode]]. {{unsigned|444Zekrom}}
:That's already noted in the episode. Besides, it really wouldn't be possible for them to travel from the Kanto Region to Hollywood, California with a van, and absolutely no reference to a plane in sight (since it was heavily implied that they took a van to get there.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 09:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== How are these real world locations? ==

"In A Bite to Remember, Jessie says that Albert Einstein created the light bulb. Max corrects her, saying that Thomas Edison was the creator."

"A Rocket Grunt mentions the hula dance to a Kimono Girl while in the Ecruteak dance theater"

Ive never heard of any locations named :Albert Einstein,Thomas Edison, kimono or hula.
It seems the person who added this seems to be mistaken with pokemon in relation to real world things.
I thought this was meant to include reference to PLACES!--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 08:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:The article isn't limited to locations, but those points were in the wrong section. I created a new section for people and cultures. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
::The hula dance point disappeared. And I'm leaving for school now, so I can't do it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Side regions ==

The section is blank! Hardly fitting of a featured article. I propose noting Almia (covered above a few times) and Orre (expliclty confirmed, see the citation in the [[Orre]] article. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu ==
Not wanting to add more information as there have been issues about its origin on other pages (no pun intended). However, I would like to point out that the note about Hiun City should be in the comments column, not shoved into the specific location column like it currently is. Could an admin fix that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu seems not to exist in North American continent. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Isshu#New_Map_of_isshu.
The game freak seems to have created the continent of fictitious. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Anime=/=Games--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 19:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

The United Tower is based in United States Headquarters in New York --[[User:Angelical Master Aqua|Angelical Master Aqua]] 22:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Do you have anything to back that up, or is it just baseless speculation? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==Capitilization error in title==

One would think that a featured article would have correct capitilization in the title. In the title the letters begin with lowercase letters when they should be uppercase. This is a basic rule of writing. I suggest this to be moved to so that the title is properly capitilized. If no one responds otherwise I'll move it to a correctly capitilized page. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:I guess sence no one responded it's okay to move? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
::Okay I'm moving the article to '''Pokémon World In Relation To The Real World.''' Any objections please let me know withen five minutes. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Not only is it not acceptable to move something just because someone hasn't "answered", it also looks very retarded. Unless it's something very specific, it Does Not Get Written Like This Because It Looks Wrong. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Besides, I also think you were acting too hasty anyway, you could have contacted one of the administrators first since it would have been easier to avoid making a simple mistake like this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Well I'm sorry I thought that since no one had anwsered that it was okay. I posted three times and someone could have said something instead of ignoring my comments. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::No, your method of doing this was completely inappropriate. You don't tell people to respond within 5 minutes. You wait until at least one person responds. That's the whole point of a discussion. You can't have a discussion with yourself. I can't speak for the rest, but I can't sit around here all day watching all the talk pages. I had only noticed this discussion here after I realized what was done. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Well I sencerly apologize for the way I handled the situation and I will not do it again in the future. I just want to help edit and I'm sorry if I made more work for you on here. I don't want to look "retarded" again. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Don't worry about it. Also, I didn't call you retarded, I know my choice of words there was inappropriate but that wasn't directed at you. I apologize if I offended you. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::It's okay you are just doing your job as admin. Thank you for letting me know about my mistake. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

==Anyone think this is important??==
as no one replied to my comment before, I'm putting it again here. I'm almost 100% sure that it's a parallel world! Should we put this in the article as a possibility?--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 09:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'll put it in now. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 16:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::What are you talking about? Are you saying the Pokémon World is a parallel to our world... ? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 18:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 13:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't say it's a parallel to our world, just yet. Have we seen a region based on any part of Africa, Australia, Europe, South America? No. So, it's not parallel enough. I would say the Pokemon world is based on our world. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they aren't there! --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 17:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Official source. Inspiration origin of Unova. ==

Sootopolis City 屋久島 Yakushima 鹿児島県 Kagoshima
The landscape of Sootopolis City is based on Santorini, Greece.

There is such a description. I similarly reflect an official source.

* Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from {{wp|Brooklyn Bridge}} and {{wp|Rainbow Bridge (Tokyo)|Rainbow Bridge}}.
* Tubeline Bridge draws inspiration from the {{wp|Forth Bridge}}.
* Village Bridge draws inspiration from the old Italian bridge.
* Entralink draws inspiration from the {{wp|Tokyo Imperial Palace}}.

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Fiore ==

My proposal: Fiore could be the northern part of the Shimokita Peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimokita_Peninsula)

* Rural.
* Closest to Sinnoh (Hokkaido).
* The geography fits very well.

[[User:KameXros|KameXros]] 17:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

== Real-world locations mentioned in the Anime: from dub or original? ==

It seems to me that some of the real-world locations mentioned in the Anime would clearly only be from the Dub. I think it's important to note this in the article somehow. [[User:Chaosakita|Chaosakita]] 07:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

== Hoenn ==

Having lived in Kyushu for about a year, I have gone around and visited some of the approximate locations that correlate with Hoenn. It would seem that the Kurokawa onsen town is correct for Lavaridge. It's southwest, at the base of Mt. Chimney, as Kurokawa Onsen is northwest in Kyushu.

Beppu seems to be the best match for Fallarbor town. The whole town is rife with geothermal activity with steam rising up all over the urban area. While it has hot springs like Aso town, there are also other forms of geothermal activity such as steam vents. Which I would assume the crater in Fallarbor is supposed to represent.

In terms of Meteor Falls, it appears that it isn't just one source of inspiration, but many. Oita prefecture is famous for both waterfalls and limestone caves. As inspiration for the cave setting, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Furen Cave. [http://www.furenshonyudo.jp/] So it would seem that Meteor Falls is a combination of both the waterfalls and limestone caves found in the Oita prefecture.

On a final note, it looks like Sootopolis City is shaped more like Yakushima Island. Ever Grande city is currently compared to Yakushima, but it seems inaccurate. As Yakushima is circular, and closer in relation to Sootopolis than Iwojima. Ever Grande city is shaped more like Okinawa Island when comparing the two. Just my two cents on what might need correction in the Hoenn section. And I'd be happy to know what everyone else thinks. ([[User:MauvilleGrovyle|MauvilleGrovyle]] ([[User talk:MauvilleGrovyle|talk]]) 02:25, 13 July 2012 (UTC))

== Fortree City: Kobayashi City, Miyazaki Prefecture? ==

Just flipping through Wikipedia and apparently there's an legend in the town involving the Suki Suspension Bridge, and since Fortree is big into their bridges, could be a match? If nobody has any significant objections I'll add it in. [[User:Rinne|Rinne]] ([[User talk:Rinne|talk]]) 16:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

== A Pokémon Center in Pokémon BW/B2W2 ==

In the Pokémon Black/White/Black2/White2 game, a [[:wikipedia:globe|globe]] is located on the second floor of any [[Pokémon Center]]s, it shows the real world, not the Pokemon world.

-- [[User:Love Krittaya|Love Krittaya]] ([[User talk:Love Krittaya|talk]]) 19:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's the Geonet, and it appears in DPPtHGSS too in the GTS/Global Terminal. It's necessary that it is the real world as it allows player's to specify their home country (and state/province) for international communication purposes. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI ==

At what point is it a good idea to add details here about Kalos/France and Lumiose City/Paris? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 03:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

==Cerulean City RL Counterpart==
In the table featured within the article, Cerulean City is said to be based on the real world Saitama City, Saitama Prefecture, Japan. Saitama City was not officially a city until 2001, several years after the 1st generation games. Cerulean was a city before Saitama existed as a city.

While you could then say that Cerulean was based on what was to become Saitama City, the geographical locations don't match either. With Maebashi and Mt Akagi (Pewter and Mt Moon) being way up in Gunma Prefecture, the scale of the map is huge. As Cerulean is much further East, but no further South, to put it down in Saitama Prefecture at all seems like a gross misplacement. The real-world counterpart would be much further East.

This makes me think it's actually a city called Tsuchiura, in Ibaraki prefecture.

Aside from this being a far more likely and accurate geographical correlation, Tsuchiura has many other points of relevance for Cerulean. Tsuchiura is famous for its massive abundance of lotus root; these plants grow and bloom in man-made lagoons - they are floating blooms. Cerulean is also mentioned as a "seaside" city, despite not being quite as far East as the sea; Tsuchiura sits right next to lake Kasumigaura, the second biggest lake in Japan, and has a seaside feel as a result, despite, as with Cerulean, not being quite as far East as the actual sea. The area that joins onto Tsuchiura, to the North East, is called Kasumigaura, possibly the inspiration for the gym leader (Kasumi) Misty. Misty's gym is located towards the bottom of Cerulean City, and Tsuchiura also has a huge gymnasium, including a complex of swimming pools and water park type features, which is located towards the bottom of the city. There are a couple of rivers that run through Tsuchiura, the largest being the river Sakura. The trainer bridge could also potentially correspond to the bridge that links Kasumigaura with Kasumigaura Fureai Land, although this is a little more speculative.

I'm aware that I could be wrong, but a great many things do seem to fit, or show a heavy similarity of being a match of some kind. Feel free to agree or disagree, but let me know what your reasons are for doing so. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 11:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

:Welcome to Bulbapedia! As for Cerulean, you seem to have done your homework. I agree with you to change Saitama to Tsuchiura. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 15:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

::Thanks. I sort of missed my point when I mentioned the Sakura river. "Sakuragawa" means "river of bloom" which isn't a huge leap from "water of flower" - similar to the unofficial but generally accepted name for the sisters at Cerulean gym in the animé. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 00:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

==Kalos Region==
I thought I'd submit some Kalos region counterparts for consideration. I haven't found a lot; just a few leads. The first is the most obvious: Lumiose City clearly corresponds to Paris. Others are less clear. I think the Tower of Mastery corresponds to Mont Saint-Michel, and Geosenge Town and the stones around it probably correspond to the Carnac Stones, or a similar site of standing stones. If anyone wants to add these or has better ideas of what these locations correspond to, feel free to add them to the page. I'm still easing back into the editing groove, so I don't feel up to adding them myself yet. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

Sakhalin is not disputed between Russia and Japan, how Sinnoh section of this article says. (Only Southern Kuril islands, including Kunashir are currently claimed by Japan).
Southern Sakhalin belonged to Japan before WWII, but now it is recognized part of Russia. [[User:Ruxax|Ruxax]] ([[User talk:Ruxax|talk]]) 23:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==
I think I may have some suggestions for what some of locations of the Kalos Region is based on.

Vaniville Town: Moulins or Nevers;

Aquacorde Town: Nevers, Bourges, or Auxere;

Santalune City: Fontainbleau or Auxere;

Camphrier Town: Orleans or Tours;

Cyllage City: St. Nazerre or Guérande;

[[User:UsagiNeko|UsagiNeko]] ([[User talk:UsagiNeko|talk]]) 04:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

== Battle Maison / Château de Chenonceau real world equivalent addition ==

I know that this article has a lot of fan speculation but I've gone ahead and added a real-world equivalent to the Battle Maison in X and Y as Château de Chenonceau. I was surprised that nobody so far has noticed the parallel between the two since the similarity is striking. Their layout as a bridge-castle is very similar and the visual style is so as well. They are also both in the same equivalent location (the Loire Valley, famous for its castles), west of Lumiose/Paris and close to Camphrier Town/Blois.{{unsigned|Almsivi}}

== Featured article disqualification ==

I have noticed that this article doesn't meet the criteria to be a featured article and I think that this should go to the candidates for removal of featured article. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 12:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
:The featured article is no long something we use. Articles that are already featured will remain featured, and no new articles will become featured. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

== Moon landing ==

In the Generation I games (and presumably the remakes as well), a woman in the Pewter museum refers to the first "lunar landing" (Apollo 11) and says that it took place on July 20,1969. Should this be added to the article? [[User:RS89|RS89]] ([[User talk:RS89|talk]]) 12:25, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:Well, since we know that this event ''really'' took place that time, then I think it should be added. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 16:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

== Floaroma Town ==

Why isn't Floaroma Town included in the Sinnoh section? It should be located just under Oreburgh Mine, however I'm still looking for it's location on Hokkaido. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:46, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I was looking at Google Earth, and the rough location would be the city of Ishikari, however, that is just what it is, a location. Is it possible that Valley Windworks should actually be listed as Floaroma Town because Tomamea is a town as well? [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Battle Zone ==

If possible, shouldn't the Battle Zone be a little more specific? i.e. Fight, Survival, Resort Area, Stark Mountain, etc. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 01:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Fukuoka is Biggest city in Kyushu, ==

BUT PETALBURG ISN'T BIGGEST CITY IN HOENN!!!!! NOT BASED ON FUKUOKA!!!!!--[[user:youngster|たんぱんこぞう]] [[user_talk:youngster|ｺﾞﾛｳ]] 01:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Location Inspiration ==

I don't know why, but for some reason, I think that the city the 18th movie takes place in is based on Chicago, mostly because the skyscraper on the left side of the poster looks a lot like Trump Tower, which is in the city. It just seems like a really good possibility that this city is based on Chicago. {{Unsigned|Harmonmj13}}

== Sea Spirit's Den ==

I wanted some agreement on this before I changed it, but I think Sea Spirit's Den is actually based on {{wp|Alderney}} and not {{wp|Jersey}}. If you compare a map of the [http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/channel-islands/map_of_channel-islands.jpg Channel Islands ] and [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8a/Kalos_alt.png Kalos] I think you will see that the 2 bigger green ones are Jersey and Guernsey, the little one is Sark and Sea Spirit's Den is Alderney. It is probably worth noting that historically the islands were part of Normandy (Northern France).

Another thing, it says that Jersey is part of the UK, this isn't correct. Jersey (and the other channel islands) have a complex relationship with the UK but they do not form part of it. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_dependencies This page] has more info on this. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 09:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

More specificly shouldn't Resort area be {{wp|Korsakovsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}}, Fight area and Survival Area in {{wp|Anivsky District}}, {{wp|Nevelsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}} or something more specific then just Sakhalin? {{unsigned|Raltseye}}

== edit war ==

You may have noticed the edit war between myself and Ratchet and Clank 1995, he/she is wrong. {{wp|British Islands}} is a legal term that unambiguously refers to the UK, Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey (the latter two are collectively the Channel Islands), as the wiki article says. He/she is right that the Channel Islands are not part of Great Britain/UK, which is why I changed it from UK to British Islands in the first place. (Originally he said he changed it because they were not part of the {{wp|British Isles}}, he/she may be right geographically but the term british isles is often used to include the channel islands)

While they are not technically part of the UK, Channel Islands are still 'British'. The inhabitants are entitled to a British passport, the queen is head of state, and the UK has responsibility for the defence and international representation of the islands. This is note worthy because they are the only non-French part of Kalos (although historically the islands were part of Normandy - Northern France). However, due to complicated reasons, it is incorrect to say they are part of the UK. 'British Islands' may be an unusual term, but it is correct and conveys that they are British without getting into complicated politics. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:Well then to be more specific they are [[wp:Crown dependencies]] officialy. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 15:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we should use the term Crown dependencies as the user Raltseye mentioned above but I'm not going to change it anymore. I have .[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:37, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

:I'm not sure about using the term 'Crown Dependences', it's a little obscure, I feel as if we would have to explain what it means and that would make us go off topic. There are pros and cons to using either 'British Isles' or 'British Islands', but I don't care anymore let's just leave it as British Isles [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

== Snowbelle ==

Likening Snowbelle City to Grenoble seems pretty unlikely as Grenoble is further south than Lyon, which is commonly accepted to be Kiloude City. It seems a lot more likely that Snowbelle is supposed to be Besançon or one of the surrounding cities such as Montbéliard, Dole or Lons-Le-Saunier, considering the region is known for cross-country skiing in the Jura mountains as well as freezing weather in the winter (the region of Jura is sometimes affectionately called "Little Siberia"). The general location fits, as well. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 17:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:I was the person to link Kiloude City to Lyon and I still believe this to be correct, one reason why I linked it was the fact that Lyon is just slightly North of the Gironde estuary which its Pokémon counterpart can be seen on the Kalos map so they seem to match. You have made a valid point that Grenoble is too far south so I agree with you and that Snowbelle cannot possibly be based on Grenoble's location. I would say go ahead and change Grenoble to Besançon as it does seem to fit and the fact that it's called "Little Siberia" could go in the notes section as it actually seems relevant.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::I edited it. Further reading for reference : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extreme_temperatures_in_France , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouthe . To be fair, Snowbelle itself doesn't resemble Besançon much, but as it's the largest city in Franche-Comté and the capital of the infamously cold Doubs department, it seems fair. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 14:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

== Kenya ==

I'm tired of seeing all of you edit warring over something so small without anyone bothering to open a discussion, so instead I'm starting a discussion on it. Personally, I don't see the problem with adding something on the end along the lines of "Kenya is also the name of a mountain in the country of Kenya, Mount Kenya, from which the country derives its name." I don't think it would hurt to add a small line on like that, especially considering that it is in fact where the name originates. Yes, the Spearow is probably named after the country, but the country itself is named after the mountain. '''[[User:Slimey01|slimey]][[User talk:Slimey01|01]]''' 13:32, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
:There was a discussion, on my talk page, where I clearly said that the country is the most likely reference. The mountain is irrelevant in this case since it's not something one would immediately think of. I've already made it clear, but Ratchet is just being stubborn.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
::To point out even more, 4 users total were involved in the discussion, with 3 of the 4 agreeing that the country is the first (if not only) thing most people would think of. As Force Fire said, these wars are the result of one person with the strong belief that their opinion outweighs the majority of other opinions expressed, which at this point I will no longer be dealing with reverting, leaving it for staff members to deal with. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:08, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I would however think of the mountain and so would a lot of other people. Kenya is also a name that has been used in the USA since the 1960s so the Spearow could just have the name Kenya. There is one issue with that point which is the other points actually say a location this Spearow just happens to have the name Kenya which doesn't mention the location, the only way it could would be if the guard said that he named it after the country and that would be the mention not the name itself.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
::::You wouldn't be saying that if you didn't know that the mountain existed or there are people named Kenya. You're only using that because you've just looked that up and are trying to justify yourself. I didn't know about the mountain or people named Kenya, but now that I do know, I still think the country is the first thing that comes to mind. No common person is going to know either the mountain or people named Kenya, because the country is much more significant than the two. I've already told you to let this go, and you are clearly not listening. This discussion is close and the decision is final.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:17, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::What, I knew about the mountain way before this, in school my class did a project about Kenya in 2006 so myself and everyone who was in the same class knows about Mount Kenya. Every Kenyan probably knows about the mountain and the fact that their country is named after it. You said that no one would know about the name Kenya, people who know people called Kenya would know about it being used as a name. It's just a guess that it is named after Kenya as no other information is provided and as a result my decision is final and the whole point stays off.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 00:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::And per usual, you completely missed what I said. I said no '''common''' person is going to know the mountain or people named Kenya, of course people living in Kenya (and geographers, for that matter) are going to know the mountain. But everyone else, no... just no. You are in no position to say what the final decision is, I've already said no but you're clearly not listening.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:52, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Thinking about it, after all of this discussion you have only been able to say it is "most likely the country" and haven't provided any evidence to say that it actually certainly does mention the country. As there is no certain way of knowing whether it actually mentions the country it should be left out because the Spearow just has a nickname which has been a name in the USA since the 1960s whereas all of the other points has a character actually say a place. By this logic of "most likely" couldn't we say Ash's Charizard is most likely male because of its relationship with Charla and the fact that homosexual and bisexual Pokémon have not been confirmed to exist in the anime. If we go by that logic Charizard's page should just say it's male. Ask random Pokémon fans what gender they think Charizard is and they probably all think male. This site seems to have it both ways in the case of genders it has to be explicitly stated whereas in this instance it doesn't it's just a name the guard didn't say that he named it after the country. I really don't see any difference but you admins have it both ways when it suits you,

:::::::'''HYPOCRISY!!!!!'''[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Using your logic, ask any random joe about what they think of when they hear "Kenya", they'll tell you the country. You have been told to drop this by not only me, but by Kogoro as well. So for the last time, drop it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
(resetting indent)You didn't even argue against my point about the fact that you are only using "most likely" the country. In your argument about Pangoro's slash you made it very clear that assumptions should not be made yet you are doing exactly that on this article. As I mentioned Ash's Charizard is most likely male and it's page doesn't state male so why when there is no explicit information stating that the country is mentioned is this allowed but in order for a Pokémon's gender to be confirmed it must be explicitly stated. Why don't you drop it and just allow the point to be removed because it doesn't add much to the page and it doesn't actually mention it as it's only a name that has been used since the 1960s so they could have just called it Kenya.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

== Anville Town ==

I noticed under the Unova section nobody put the equivalent to Anville Town. There's nothing much to actually do in Anville, but I believe there still has to be a real-life counterpart to it. I was speaking with my mother about this, and she grew up in Queens so she knows New York and Northern New Jersey like the back of her hand. I grew up in Bergen County, so I know a bit about it too. I asked her exactly what Anville Town would be based off of based upon its location, and we came to the conclusion that it is the equivalent to Morristown, NJ. Morristown is known for its train station and one of its stops transits right into the 59th Street's station (which is what Nimbasa is based off of).
Yay or nay? {{unsigned|MeruNoUta}}

== Spear Pillar ==

Mt. Asahi is the highest peak in Hokkaido, as Spear Pillar is the highest peak in Sinnoh. Mt. Asahi's location relative to the rest of Hokkaido is also close to Spear Pillar's location relative to the rest of Sinnoh. Can I say that Spear Pillar was based on Mt. Asahi? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:This is a change I was going to suggest as well. Based on Mt. Coronet's layout as you near the peak and what you can see of the surrounding terrain, Mt. Asahi looks to be a very close match to Spear Pillar. It's also in the correct geographical position, and it works uncannily well in locating the Sinjoh Ruins (or at least where ''I'' think they are). [[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 06:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

== Decolore Islands ==

I noticed that the region hasn't been added yet, along with the Orange Islands. As a resident of Connecticut, I believe the the Decolore Islands are most likely based on the Thimble Islands. They are located close to New York, the area Unova itself is based on. Additionally, many of the Decolore Islands are not populated and instead used as nature preserves, similar to the major university-owned Thimble Islands used for ecological studies. However, a few islands in the Thimbles are built up considerable, such as Money Island. This is similar to the Unnamed Island in BW138. [[User:Manqoba|Manqoba]] ([[User talk:Manqoba|talk]]) 15:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:With all due respect, I think your perception of likelihood may be influenced by home-state bias. Looking at a map, the Thimble Islands hug Connecticut ''very'' closely, far from the border with New York, and ''very'' far from any part of New York that Unova is based on. I think this is a case of confirmation bias, sorry. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Assuming that Oblivia is in fact based on the Oki Island, here is what I believe to be the relation:
*Dolce Island is Chibu
*Renbow Island and Mitonga Island form the two halves of Nishinoshima
*Sophian Island is Okinoshima (transposed a bit)
But Faldera, Layuda and Tilikule have no real-world counterpart. [[User:Ifni400|Ifni400]] ([[User talk:Ifni400|talk]]) 23:51, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Images and Mystery Dungeon ==

I have two questions, 1. Why is it that only the three latest regions have a compairing image to the corresponding real world location? Also both Unova's and Kalos' as well as Almia's image all have the real world location above it while Alola's is located beneeth. Why? 2. Isn't the Mystery Dungeon world based on somewhere in the world or is it just made out of the air so to speak. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 11:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Blackthorn City, Dragon's Den and Ice Path ==

Northeastern Johto is not an easy area to pin down, but I think I've found something that accurately depicts the Blackthorn area. I can tell people have already made a significant effort to locate these places, so I don't want to make any changes to their contributions without talking about them first.

First off, I don't think there's much significance between Clair's Japanese name, Ibuki, and the suggested Dragon's Den, Mt. Ibuki. Ibuki means "breath", and is often associated with a strong will, impulsive behavior and over-sensitivity; this seems to fit Clair pretty well. In GSC, the TM she awards you with is Dragonbreath, or Ryu-no-ibuki in the JP version, another possible origin of her name. I'm sorry, but I'm really starting to doubt her name was inspired by the mountain believed to have the had the world's heaviest snowfall in recorded history, so I don't think there's much supporting that mountain as the location of Dragon's Den. However, given the mountain's close proximity to "Mahogany" and "Lake of Rage" and its own icy history, I think it's a strong candidate for the entrance to Ice Path.

The next thing I want to critique is the Blackthorn-Shirakawa theory. The main thing that made me look into this is that Shirakawa is significantly far away from where you'd expect to find it relative to the other locations we've found, and unlike the the questionable relationship between Cherrygrove/Violet, Shirakawa is also very far away from every other location we've found (it's the most isolated location in all of real-world Johto/Kanto to date). Additionally, Shirakawa is famous for its nearly-uniform gasshō-zukuri, but these designs aren't reflected in Blackthorn's new buildings even though Violet and Ecruteak received makeovers that match Nara and Kyoto.

Okay, now for my suggestions. I think Blackthorn is Kai/Kofu, Yamanashi; Ice Path (exit) is the oft-hypothesized Narusawa Ice Cave, Yamanashi; and Dragon's Den is Kanazakura-jinja Shrine, Yamanashi.

My first lead came when I saw a "Did You Know" on the Smash Bros series; during development the first game was called "Dragon King: Fighting Game" and featured a striking picture of a low-rise neighborhood with Mt Fuji (Mt Silver) in the background. The video claimed the game's name came from that neighborhood, which just so happened to be where HAL Laboratory was located, and that the picture was taken by a certain programmer I'll name later. This all piqued my interest, so I started digging. The town's name was Ryūō, with a population around 40,000 (right on the low end of other towns believed to inspire other towns up to this point), and it was merged with several other towns into Kai in 2004 (after the release of GSC). Geographically, it's a strong match for Blackthorn, surrounded by mountains and with Fuji standing prominently to its Southeast; the biggest issue is that it's tightly clustered with a number of significant cities. Then I zoomed out, and I realized the broader Kofu basin is a very close match to the birds-eye view shape of Blackthorn (use Earth mode to make this more apparent). According to legend, the Kofu basin used to be a lake until Kami pushed on of the mountains aside and the lake drained to the south; this southerly river-valley is clearly visible from a map and could explain the river in Blackthorn and Route 45 in HGSS.

Okay, so Dragon's Den. Kanazakura-jinja Shrine is just north of Kai, it prominently features a pair of dragons, the "rising and falling dragons", and one carries a fire crystal and the other a water crystal. The translations from their website are a little wonky, but it sounds like these dragons symbolize the reconstruction of the main shrine after it collapsed in a 1953 fire (there's also some visible damage to the Den in HGSS), with the dragons drawing attention to fire above and water below. Rising and falling dragons, fire above/water below... I think this symbolism is an interesting parallel to Dragon's Den and the lava-filled Gym located directly above it, and what was the name of that Gym's badge? Rising. Also, the Shrine wasn't all that burned; most of the Kofu basin was destroyed in a night-time air raid in 1945. Combined, these fires may have inspired Blackthorn's name, Fusube, or black smoke.

Anyone who's still reading has probably already encountered the idea that Narusawa Ice Cave corresponds to Ice Path, so I'll just say Kai/Kofu is sandwiched neatly between the Cave and the Shrine. Also, an Ibuki/Naursawa fused Ice Path may serve as a "portal" of sorts to cover the long distance between Koka/Mahogany and Kai.

Finally, earlier I mentioned HAL's R&D center in Kai and a certain programmer. We know that GameFreak has a habit of featuring themselves in the Pokemon games, but what about guest programmers? Well, HAL may not have worked on GSC directly, but their then-president did! Satoru Iwata famously helped development along through graphical compression (he's directly attributed with freeing up enough space on the cartridges to add the Kanto region to the games), so where might he be in Blackthorn? The Move Deleter, of course! Iwata freed up space on the carts, the MD frees up space on your Pokemon; considering everything else, I find this to be more than mere coincidence.

Any one of these location changes might not be very persuasive on their own, but I think they're pretty compelling when taken altogether. What do you guys think about these possible changes in our listed locations?[[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 07:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

== Lake Valor ==

The article currently says that Lake Valor is based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Kussharo Lake Kussharo], which is closer to Abashiri (Veilstone) than Kushiro (Pastoria). However, I think the lake might be based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Akan Lake Akan]. Although Lake Akan is much smaller and doesn't have the same shape (round with an island in the middle), its location corresponds to Lake Valor's location much better than Lake Kussharo, and there is a small resort village on its southern shore.

[[User:ILoveArceus|ILoveArceus]] ([[User talk:ILoveArceus|talk]]) 21:33, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

== Kahoolawe??? ==

How is [[Exeggutor Island]] based off of Kahoolawe? Kahoolawe is southwest of Maui (& is in Maui County), which is what Akala is based off of, not Kauai. {{User|BoygeyMario}}
:Geographically, Exeggutor Island is Niihau, but if you read the notes, it says that it is uninhabited by humans like Kahoolawe.[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 19:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Azoth Kingdom and England or Italy ==

In the design of the Azoth Kingdom, there are elements that refer to the industrial revolution and Steampunk design, if we take into account that Volcanion is based in part on a steam engine, which was created in England, it would be possible for the Azoth Kingdom it was near north north of Kalos or in England itself.

But if we take into account that Nikola is based on Da Vinci, the kingdom could be on the border between Kalos and some equivalent to Italy in the Pokemon World.

¿What do you think?

[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 9:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
:It seems to me that going by anything other than the architecture itself would be too speculative. Many (dare I say most?) places in the Pokemon world include elements/characters based on things from other places than what the location itself was based on. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

::I said it because Magearna and Volcanion are based on the industrial revolution. [[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 11:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Galar Region ==

So the Galar Region has just been announced for Pokemon Sword and Shield, and I know there were rumours before the announcement that it would be based off of the UK, so as a Briton myself, I've tried to verify that/match the locations. The industrial and farming focus definitely suits the UK, and I can see a structure that looks like the Palace of Westminster in the Icy Northern City, suggesting the island is flipped North to South (and possible East-West as well).
Based on this, looking at the red-brick city in which the starters are shown, with its industrial nature, canal leading to the sea and bordering mountains, I think that it represents Manchester, which would mean that the city by the wall where the ice starts would be Birmingham, although none of it's features match.
It's also possible the city on the sea is Liverpool, due to being on the coast between Manchester and Birmingham.
The industrial City being Manchester also fits with the lakes South of it, which would represent the Lake District
These cities would suggest that the region represents just England, rather than the whole of the UK.

Just some preliminary ideas, we shall have to wait for more information before confirming anything.

Talk:Pokémon world in relation to the real world/Archive 1

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==Cinnibar==
It's quite possible that Cinnibar is a part of the Sevii Islands, as Midway Island, for instance, is technically a part of the Hawaiian chain. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 19:26, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Shinnou==
Where did that information come from that Shino is based on Hokkaido? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:Because, you gotta look at the released Corocoro scans from this month ==[[User:Jason|Jade]] 2.56pm, 14 June 2006 (AEST)

::And what do you know about Japanese geography, eh? Could be Hokkaido - but the mountain chain makes me suspect Hokuriku - which is on the west side of the Japanese Alps. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:::To anyone who wishes to edit this page so as to state that Hokkaido has been confirmed - learn Japanese beforehand and refrain from counting on unofficial web sites. CoroCoro only referred to Shin'ō as an island similar to Hoenn - that leaves Shikoku and Hokkaido. It is plain to see that the map, which has been largely revealed to us, takes the shape of Hokkaido. It is for this that some web sites such as Filb.de claim it to be based on Hokkaido as if it were confirmed.

:::Unlike Zhen Lin, I am absolutely confident in the veracity of Hokkaido. Even so, the correct wording is to be used at the very least until a full map has been obtained. Hoenn was confirmed to have been modeled after Kyūshū not long after Ruby and Sapphire had seen release. That said, Sevii Islands and Orre have thus far remained in the realm of speculation - but at least we have the resources provided by the games. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]

::::What about the orange islands and fiore? [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 14:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I mean look at Sinnoh's shape...

Funny thing about orre...(get it?Orrezona((Arizona and Orre)).).

--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 06:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

==Indian elephants==
Hm. I was flipping through my FireRed game the other day, and there's lots of Indian elephants mentioned in the Pokedex entries... is this worth mentioning? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] 02:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Pikachu's power? Definately. --[[User:Kyoufu Kawa|Kyoufu Kawa]] 18:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Noah's ark==
I was watching ''[[EP016|Pokémon Shipwreck]]'' and i noticed that brock tells about noah and the ark. Can we put that somewhere? --[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 22:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:: What the heck does that have to do with geography? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:::It doesn't, it has to do with history of our world [[User:Count Caterpie|Count]] [[User talk:Count Caterpie|Caterpie]] 23:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Wrong again. It has to do with the mythology of our world, not history. You shouldn't too much into it, anyway, it was just a cop out. They didn't feel like making a whole new religion for the series, so they stole the most readily available one.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 14:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== About the real world locations mentioned section... ==

some of these things just have to go. The Fantina dialogue thing doesn't really have anything to do with it since that only happened immediately before the battle, not when you first encounter her at the contest hall or after you beat her. Besides, she could have just been using a fake accent. I mean, [[Blue (Game)|Blue]] was using a french accent when he fought you on the St. Anne, and the last time I checked, he never visited France or anything, never spoke in that accent prior to it, and immediately dropped the accent right after you beat him. Also, i doubt that an Indian elephant should count towards a real world location (maybe real world animal, but definitely not a real world location.)

anyways, thats all for now.

~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

Actually Fantina says something about moving to Hearthrome(spelling might be wrong) City before the battle.I am not sure but I think that backs up that she is from France

~~Starfire~~

Just because she said that she moved to hearthrome city doesn't necessarily mean that she was from France. I mean, if she explicitly stated that she was from France (or canada, even), then yes, that would have merit. But she never really said where she moved from. she only gave a vague mention of another country. I mean, for all we know, she could have just as easily come from the Orange or sevii Islands (I think of the Sevii Islands as an entirely seperate place than an actual region considering how it and Kanto seem to have somewhat of a feud before you arrived that wouldn't be of this scale if it was a region.], or Heck, even Orre (they seemed to imply through a news report in colosseum that it has entirely different regions due to the fact that they mentioned that several regions were attacked by [[Shadow_Pokemon|Abnormal Pokemon]], and since Kanto/Johto/Hoenn never even referenced being attacked by them, that seems to imply that it is an entirely different country in and of itself.).

I mean if you wish, go ahead, but I just want to say that I'm not too sure about that. I mean, if she was explicitly said to have come from france (like the Trainer dex in Pokemon FRLG said about Lt. Surge [I don't count the "Lightning American" thing as evidence that he is American since Some of the Gym Leaders were given similar nicknames even though they really don't have any corollation with each other (Tomboyish Mermaid, Elegant Princess, among others comes to mind [Misty's not a mermaid because she doesn't have a fish tail, she doesn't sit on rocks to comb her hair {her hair is very short, anyways}, and she never really stated that she was a Mermaid or related to them. As for Erika, she never really said that she was related to any royal family.].).].) then, yes, Go on ahead.

But since she never really stated that she was from France (her speaking french doesn't count since 1. she seemed to be faking it since the only time she ACTUALLY spoke french was when you meet up with her, which she drops when she is close to losing, and 2. Even IF she was actually able to speak french, that doesn't mean she is from France. remember, Canada, Jamacia as well as some african countrys speak French as part of their language.), we shouldn't say that she was from France.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

== Regarding the map... ==

The map is veerrryyy wrong! It should be like this: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1206/japanforonceandforeverdz3.png
Or maybe this is clearer: http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4092/japanys0.png
Please people, it's a common made mistake, but it isn't that hard to see, is it?

Zig

== Deoxys reference ==

The "North Pole" doesn't necessarily have to be a reference to a real-world location. Every planet has a north and south pole. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 20:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Antarctica or North Pole? ==

I'm confused. I could have sworn that Deoxys landed in Antarctica, yet this article says it's the North Pole. Could someone clarify? [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|Jirachi]][[User talk:JirachiWishmaker0802|Wishmaker0802]] 10:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:It's possible different tellings of the franchise have different landing spots for Deoxys. For all we know, had [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] reached Hoenn, Deoxys could have crashed in downtown {{wp|Honolulu, Hawaii}} in that telling. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

::You know, I think we should eliminate it from the references section, as the term "North pole" doesn't necessarily hint at Antartica. Besides, Antartica isn't even the North Pole, if anything, it's more the exact opposite term. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

==Could someone update the map?==

Almia should be included, as it's attached to Sinnoh. {{unsigned|LynnCreed}}

no almia's place should not be part of the main map because it is just a side game. almia should be in a "side game's map". Maybe that small part will be part of another generation game! do you have absolute proof from the developers of the game? i think not! plus if there is no mention of the national pokedex, then almia is in a different nation. since the main games are one nation, most likely the geography is influenced by japan, there are no separate nations inside what is similar to japanese land. you cannot be too sure until it is 100% proven. plus almia is just a small area of land similar to most things to the world right now. it can be part of the area of northern africa and mediterranean sea. also the games state that they are far away from the main pokemon games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

== Game Systems ==

Would that be a reference to the real world because they are made in the real world? {{unsigned|Midnight Blue}}

== {{wp|Harlan County, Kentucky}} ==

In my sperpetic,Oreburgh reminds me around my home County, Harlan County , also the mines.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 23:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Your what?--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::Lots of places have mines. He means ''perspective''. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::There's pretty much no chance that a Japanese game is referring to your home county. There are many more notable mining areas, many in Pennsylvania, for example. I'm sure there's even more in Japan that are more likely. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 23:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::True, but then again, the Metal Gear series was a Japanese game (it was made in Japan, and was originally intended to be Japanese exclusive), and yet most of it's locations were anywhere BUT Japan (In fact, the only REAL Japanese references that was in the MG games was Master Miller, Akiba, "Kuwabara, Kuwabara", and the Tsuchinoko from "Snake Eater", which is pretty lacking anyways.). Heck, Sootopolis's geography was inspired by Santorini, Greece. For all we know, Harlan County could have served as a minor inspiration. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::As someone from Bullitt County, Kentucky, I'm going to have to say that such a claim is silly. We have had some form of confirmation on every other consistency. Until TPC comes out and says, "Yeah, it's totally our intention that Oreburgh be based on a county in the eastern part of a state in the US that we have almost assuredly never heard of," it's just very erroneous speculation. PS - Go MSU. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 04:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Map with Almia ==
I've made a map with Almia included. I think it's better to use this one
File:Pokemonworld.png
--Furanty 17:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I think we should keep the almia part blank.It's not even part of the main series obviously. or we could make maps of the main series and the other series separate. spinoff regions does not always relate to the main regions. Almia might be a parallel to india for all we know! plus almia does not look like it is on that part of japan but more on the southern part of sinnoh. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
: Note that the game with Almia mentions that Shinoh is nearby (hence the choice to send the Manaphy egg there). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pepe Toño Macías ==

On latinamerican dub, James' voice actor always names a real world city (mostly latin-american, but some famous world cities are mentioned to) on Team Rocket's Motto, replacing the earlier "y extender nuestro reino hasta las estrellas" with "y extender nuestro reino a [real world city]". Most latin-american capital cities has been named as well as many other important cities like Córdoba (Argentinian seconds), Acapulco or Cancún (Mexican strongest tourist region), Punta del Este (famous uruguayan city), Viña del Mar (Chilean city who host one of the most sponsored music shows on the region), etc.

He is also the main reason to include many differents countries slangs to the whole Team Rocket, mostly mexican ones because of where the dub is translated. {{unsigned|Mephisto}}

== Other Articles? ==

Is there a reason all this information is listed only here, and not on the locations individual pages? Personally I think it is relevant Trivia that, for instance, Mt. Silver is based on Mt. Fuji. [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 05:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:It's listed on some of them, mainly the regions. Sure it's interesting trivia, but we don't want the articles to be made of 100% trivia. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::True, but in some cases wouldn't you say it's relevant? For instance, Ecruteak City is based on Kyoto (not mentioned in Ecruteak's article at the moment), both cities are very old and have a lot of history. Kyoto is famous outside Japan- I'd hazard a guess at it being the second most well known Japanese city. Kyoto's history contributes to Ecruteak's role in the games. Wouldn't you say that's relevant? Violet City being based on Nara is, perhaps, less relevant, and wouldn't be very meaningful to most people using the wiki, so things like that perhaps could be skipped. But I definitely think that at least Mt. Silver/Fuji and Ecruteak/Kyoto are worth mentioning. I want to say something regarding Tokyo too, but the matter seems pretty complicated since there's no single Tokyo analogue.

::Also, just a passing thought, is it worth maybe mentioning the opposite- for places like Pacifidog town- that they are lacking in real world analogue? [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 04:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

==Regarding Hoenn==

Actually, I've done some of my own research into the correlation between Hoenn and its real-life counterpart and would like to argue that Rustboro is a much better candidate to counterpart with Fukuoka than Rustboro. The region (according to wikipedia which is the source I used) is known for its industrial and steel works, which seems pretty analogous to Rustboro's Devon Corp.

Also, Lavaridge matches up to Ōita much better than Fallabour. Ōita is closer to Beppu, the hotspring region. It's possible that whoever said Lavaridge was Aso got the two Hoenn Cities mixed up, because looking at the map of Kyushu, they're the other way around.

Kagoshima could possibly be Lilycove, as it's a bay city with a small round island in the port, which could be analogous to Mt. Pyre.

I'm not sure who wrote up the Hoenn cities part of the article, but I'd definitely argue that they didn't look closely enough at a map of Kyushu or of Hoenn, as some of them match up to other cities much better than the ones listed. Sorry to seem like a jerk, but I've done a LOT of reading online about this and it's too bad the Bulba article isn't better. I'll edit the article eventually, I'd just like a reply here first.
[[User:AutumnRain|AutumnRain]] 18:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:Sure, show us what you got. And I completely agree... Rustboro is a much better candidate than Rustboro ;) You may want to doublecheck that :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==Table Overload==
This page is mostly composed of tables, tables, and ''more'' tables. We need some actual writing in here, as well as images, or else I feel this article doesn't deserve its status as a Featured Article. It's informative, but the way it's presented simply doesn't share that information in a productive way. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 15:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:What else would you have us add? If that's all we have, it's kinda hard to add more. And it doesn't look good as a bunch of bullet points making up a whole page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::This is just an idea, but how about some free use pictures of the real-life landmarks, like {{wp|Kinkaku-ji}} (Brass Tower), {{wp|Ginkaku-ji}} (Tin tower), {{wp|Mount Fuji}} (Mt. Silver), etc.? It would be neat to see, especially if we had them side-by-side with game screenshots (or Midori Harada art? ...or anime screenshots, that would probably be better) of the Pokemon world locations. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::That would work, but we'd have to find all of the real world pictures that would look like the Harada art though. We wouldn't have to have a picture for every location though, so whatever Harada art we have we should try to find something for it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, as I edited in, we could also use anime screenshots instead of restricting ourselves to what few Harada location art there is. For example, we could do...
::::: with {{wp|File:Tokyo_Shinjuku_City_20070317.jpg|this}}
::::...Though of course all city skylines look pretty much the same, so that wouldn't be an ideal example. Just pointing out that we could go with anime art too. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would have real information explaining ''why'' these different regions and cities are counterparts to real-world areas. All of the sections simply say "x is based off x". ''Why'' are they based off those areas? Was it stated in an interview, or is there a mountain of evidence that cannot be swept aside as coincidence? Some reasoning would really help this article, and without it the whole page just seems to lack any real information, which is why I don't feel it should be Featured. I also agree with Umeko's suggestion for side-by-side comparison images, but we should definitely limit them to things that, without a doubt, can be visually-comparable. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::I do hope you saw the {{fan speculation}}
::::::at the top of the page. That is why there isn't that much evidence stated. A lot of the things were put up there, and people agreed on it. That's about how fan speculation pages work. But I do agree, we need something more. Unfortunately, that'll be hard to do, since most of it ''is'' speculation. A lot of it though, is where things are located in Japan and the anime, as seen on that map at the top of the page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Of course I noticed. Despite that (or perhaps even ''because'' of it) more information is needed to support these claims. People like knowing ''why'' things are the way they are, not just that they are. Considering the mantle of "fan speculation" is already applied to this article, then we should feel free to add more of it without worry. Now, there should be standards. There should be no doubt that there are correlations between one thing and another, and no "logical" jumps or rationalizations. The towers have the same appearance, purpose, and general history as real-world counterparts... So that could easily be considered a fact and should be elaborated on a bit. Where Orre is, for example, should have options and reasons for and against each one. This article can definitely be improved, but how is something we need to figure out. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

==Comments==
Should the sections in the various tables marked for comments be for notes on the real-world counterparts, as is currently done, or should we only write comments if there's some similarity other than geography to note between the Pokémon world and real world? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 13:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:These comments do talk about similarities. Pallet is the player's hometown, Vermilion has a large harbor, Celadon and Saffron are big cities, Cinnabar has a volcano... The comments are for links between the Pokémon world and the real world. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::Some of them aren't, like the comment for Dewford Town which only states that the real-world basis used to belong to Korea. (That one, at least, just sounds like Japan-Korea politics) [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 14:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Anyone got a clue where around real world Japan, Oblivia lies?
[[File:Oblivia artwork.png]]
Can't see any islands that look like it or anything O: All the islands are so small...{{unsigned|Saiph charon}}
:Might not be an area of Japan. Spin off game regions don't always relate to the other regions. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Milonda Island appears to be based off of Dogo Island.
Rainbow Island seems to be based off of a combination of Nishino and Nakano Islands.
Drop island appears to be based off of Chiburi Island.
They all are part of the Oki Islands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oki_Islands.png

Sopiana Island is without a doubt based off of Ulleungdo Island. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulleungdo

Thundercloud and Shikulele Island appear to be loosely based off of the Liancourt rocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks

All the islands mentioned are found in the sea of Japan north of Chugoku.--[[User:flamin entei|flamin entei]] 19:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== I dont think this is one of the best bulbapedia articles ==

Ive seen dozens more "Other applications of real-world locations" in the anime and that needs to be added.--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:So, um, go for it? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah Im getting there lol.Going to take a while to remember and view all of them that I know of.
Im just very surprised Im the first one to put one in that has appeared in the tv anime series.
--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 05:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Regice ==

In pokemon Emerald, Regice's pokedex entry mentions Antartic ice. --[[User:Pkmn master|pkmn master]] 11:12, 14 Febuary 2010 (UTC)

== Map of Side Games ==

I know that the side games are more difficult to place, as far as true geographic regions go (if they even exist), but in the article itself, it mentions Orre as "[bearing] striking resemblance to the Gunma Prefecture of Japan in shape, which would place Orre north of Kanto and Johto." I think this is relevant to include on ''a'' map, although it doesn't have to be the one at the top of the page.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 21:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

we should keep a map of the side games separate from the map with the main games. side games are not really canon with the main games. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
:The Pokemon Ranger series of games are canon, Colosseum games, as well, however, seeing how that game contained Manaphy, which needed to be downloaded into DP, and the fact that they have direct connectivity to the main games. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Just because they're canon (which is, I believe, debatable) doesn't mean they all correspond to locations in Japan like the others. And if they don't relate to each other, making a map for them's gonna be pretty hard. On a side note, I think the Orre connections are quite a stretch, and there should at least be comparisons between Orre locations and Arizona alongside the comparisons to Japan. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::lets just separate the maps then. the region on where the side game's area is on might be filled in by a later generation's region, the side game's region might not be in japan because they look like most other areas in the real world and the side region is not part of the main games. even though you can get manaphy in pokemon ranger does not mean that that game is canon. it just means that you can get manaphy from that game. Question- how does almia fit next to sinnoh? almia looks nothing like the tail of hokkaido which is sinnoh's real world counterpart. Almia does not look like it is in the south part of sinnoh either. If sinnoh is the pokemon counterpart of hokkaido shouldn't the center of almia be filled with land? {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

::::If they weren't canon, then there wouldn't be any connectivity, period. Absolutely no ties to the main games whatsoever is the very definition of not canon. That, as well as not even being made by the same people, period. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::sorry to give you an example of another franchise but what about the naruto anime? all of it's filler arcs are noncanon and it has something to do with the characters. plus it is made by the same company who does the rest of the anime. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

==Orre Section Revamp==
I'm sorry, but the section on Orre DEFINITELY needs work. so far it has only three locations listed, and those are listed with the presupposition that Orre is in fact based on a region of Japan. I did some research into Arizona and the surrounding area and found some more noticeable parallels.

Phenac City is obviously based on Phoenix, Arizona, for the reasons listed in the article already.

Mt. Battle could be based on Humphreys Peak, the highest point in Arizona. While it's not a volcano like Mt. Battle, neither is the Gunma Prefecture of Japan a desert. That said, Humphreys Peak also lands in the right place relative to other locations.

Pyrite Town could be based on Yuma, Arizona, which formerly housed a large prison facility (which fits in with both the Pyrite Town jail and the high crime rate in that section of Orre).

Agate Village was hard to find, but I eventually settled on the little town of Oatman, Arizona. Oatman lies right along Route 66, and, as with many towns along that route, has seen better days. While it doesn't appear as fertile as Agate Village, I thought the history of this mountain town fit in with the fact that the population of Agate Village is mostly elderly, with the young moving to the cities instead.

In terms of locations from XD, I widened my search to include locations not specifically in Arizona. I placed Gateon Port at the well-known city of San Diego, California.

Citadark Isle seems to correspond with Isla Guadelupe, a volcanic island off the coast of Baja California.

I don't know how this should be incorporated into the article, but I do believe at least some of this information needs to go there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, Gunma Prefecture isn't a desert, but then again, Floaroma Town isn't a flowerfield in real life, it is a desert. Anyways, I also don't recall Arizona being so barren that animals are even scarcer than water (which in Orre, apparently Pokémon actually are that scarce, at least in Colosseum.). I do doubt that it's near the Gunma Prefecture, but I also doubt that its supposed to be Arizona. Also, even going beyond Arizona, most of the locations don't match up. Citadark Island is on the opposite side of the real life location. Not to mention that San Diego isn't anywhere near that location. Maybe the old Colosseum map might have been based off of Arizona, but going by XD, it's not based off of Arizona or even the Southwestern United States/Mexican area, for that matter. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

::My bad about XD locations; I don't have the game, so it's hard to verify where they go (especially based on the few low quality Orre maps you can find). But nonetheless, the Orre section needs to change or be removed. The similarities listed are a real stretch (Outskirt Stand based on an archaeological site? I doubt it.), and besides, I thought Fiore's section was removed because it was a side game location. Should the same be done for Orre, perhaps with Phenac City moved to the section on non-Japanese influences? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

:: there are no major deserts in japan (if you count the tottori sand dunes then yes but they are in the south of japan). if the fiore section is removed because it was a side game then we should remove orre. plus the state of arizona is not bordered by an ocean or something large like that water area near gateon port {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}

:::...What about the Gulf of California? It doesn't have to be shaped EXACTLY like the state, it can also include nearby regions. [[User:Taknamay|Taknamay]] 14:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::::Made a comparison pic to demonstrate Taknamay's point http://i.imgur.com/57Wlq9J.png.
::::That terrain matches almost exactly. And they said Phoenix, Arizona was the inspiration, so seems like a pretty open and shut case to me. Since some of the other regions like Almia have a comparison image, we could use that one. Unfortunately I can't upload images yet so someone else would have to do it --[[User:Foxsong|Foxsong]] ([[User talk:Foxsong|talk]]) 05:46, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

==New Image==
I like how it's been aligned so the regions look more like they do in the games, but technically Hoenn's box should be a lot bigger. That southwestern island chain includes such places as Naha (the inspiration for Ever Grande City), Yonaguni (the inspiration for the Sealed Chamber), and Yaebishi (the inspiration for Mirage Island). In other words, Game Freak curled that island chain around to compress the region into a smaller space, likely for gameplay reasons. Also, it would tickle me pink for the map to include the Sevii Islands, although that might be trickier. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:sorry i couldn't find a good map like the one i had with yonaguni, yaebishi the kuril islands and sakhalin. the colors are for the third games in the generation they were first seen in (in Japan). for johto i made it into suicune's thing on it's head. the sevii islands are red for fire red. if you want me to change the colors or fix anything, please ask. {{unsigned|Pipcrew}}
::First of all, you should sign your comments with four tildes (~). But in regards to the map, it's wonderful! I'm not too enthralled with the color selection (a bit dull; I would have gone with green for Kanto, yellow for Johto, red for Hoenn, and purple for Sinnoh, as is used in the new HGSS Pokédex guide) but with the level of inclusion contained within this map I'm willing to let that pass. Great job! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:13, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia uses distinct color templates, such as {{template|kanto color}}, for regional coloring. If an official guide uses other colors though... maybe we should look at changing them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::ok i'll change them[[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 03:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::No, you won't. For one thing, the templates /should/ be protected. For another, changes of this nature need to go through the Editorial Board. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
but i created the original image. it says in the file history [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 23:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:And? Doesn't mean anything about the templates. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::then what should i do? should i delete the map? [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 04:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==Ecruteak Dance Theater==
A rocket grunt mentions hula dancing...reference to Hawaii possibly? He tells this to the Kimono Girl --User:xaigon_paladin 1:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah. Because it was made by the Hawaiians (technically settlers from Polynesia or something). Adding. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu's Location ==

Isshu has been said to be far away from the other regions, and screenshots of Black and White show various landmarks similar to what are found in San Francisco (Such as the Golden Gate Bridge). I feel this should be mentioned. {{unsigned|Tveye}}
:I've heard New York and I've heard Hong Kong. Let's leave it at "some place really far away that might not be Japan" until the games are released and we can make more informed choices. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== propaganda. ==
Tsushima was an island of Korea before 1945; the old name is ''Daemado''.

Tsushima doesn't belong to Korea before 1945. Bulbapedia becomes the place of dispatch of propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think it can be chalked up to being an honest mistake. All you had to do was remove it, there was no need to come here and accuse us of spreading propaganda. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 09:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I am terribly disappointed. It is to not only the guess but also malignant propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Calm down, dude. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:We don't need any nationalist crap here. Correct the mistake yourself or politely point it out.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

He is still doing propaganda. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Numbers Stations ==

Do you guys think that we should include in the Ruins of Alph location info that the "Mysterious Transmission" is based on the real world's "Numbers Stations"? These short wave radios are used by spies. http://www.archive.org/details/ird059 --[[User:Kambash|Kambash]] 20:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon world(Original Japanese version) in relation to the real world. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ponyta_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
The change in Pokedex entry is interesting. The explanation of Tokyo Tower exists in a Japanese version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

このわざをみんなはだいもんじやきとよんでいるがそりゃまちがいだ！ほんばきょうとではだいもんじとかおくりびと　よんでいるのだ！

[[Blaine]] refers {{wp|kyoto}}(Japanese city) in Generation III. It is convinced that it is erased in the non-Japanese version because it is not described in BULBAPEDIA. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 05:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== some edits ==

As we are following Revised Hepburn as a standard for romanizations in listing the locations, "Oshima" (under Sevii Islands, Knot Island, prefecture) should be spelled "Ōshima", "Nakoudojima" (under Sevii Islands, Memorial Pillar, specific location) should be "Nakōdojima", and "Meiji no Mori Minoo" (under Johto, National Park, specific location) should be "Meiji no Mori Minō".

There is also "Chubu" (right under Johto) in stead of "Chūbu", "Honshu" (right under Hoenn) in stead of "Honshū", and "Hokkaido" (right under Sinnoh) in stead of "Hokkaidō", as well as a lot of other non-Hepburn romanizations in the comment section (Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto, Oshima, Hokkaido, etc.) alongside the Hepburn ones (Kantō, Tōkaidō, Kyūshū, Hōryū-ji, etc.). I guess non-Hepburn is acceptable, as it is standard in everyday English use (mainly important cities like Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto), but I think it would probably be better to choose either one.

'''Japanese Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Chichijima (Sevii Islands, Fortune Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%88%B6%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Hahajima (Sevii Islands, Quest Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AF%8D%E5%B3%B6%E5%88%97%E5%B3%B6

Yaebishi (Hoenn, Mirage Island): http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%AB%E9%87%8D%E5%B9%B2%E7%80%AC

'''English Wikipedia pages to add:'''

Meiji no Mori Minō Quasi-National Park (Johto, National Park): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_no_Mori_Min%C5%8D_Quasi-National_Park

Cape Nosappu (Sinnoh, Vista Lighthouse): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Nosappu

If you are still reading this, thank you for hearing me out. --[[User:Spenvdm|Spenvdm]] 12:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== The motif of Isshu is New York. ==

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html
"Junichi Masuda" is insisted on that the motif of Isshu is New York. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== "Go West Young Meowth" refereence? ==

He was in California in the [[EP070|episode]]. {{unsigned|444Zekrom}}
:That's already noted in the episode. Besides, it really wouldn't be possible for them to travel from the Kanto Region to Hollywood, California with a van, and absolutely no reference to a plane in sight (since it was heavily implied that they took a van to get there.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 09:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== How are these real world locations? ==

"In A Bite to Remember, Jessie says that Albert Einstein created the light bulb. Max corrects her, saying that Thomas Edison was the creator."

"A Rocket Grunt mentions the hula dance to a Kimono Girl while in the Ecruteak dance theater"

Ive never heard of any locations named :Albert Einstein,Thomas Edison, kimono or hula.
It seems the person who added this seems to be mistaken with pokemon in relation to real world things.
I thought this was meant to include reference to PLACES!--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 08:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:The article isn't limited to locations, but those points were in the wrong section. I created a new section for people and cultures. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
::The hula dance point disappeared. And I'm leaving for school now, so I can't do it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Side regions ==

The section is blank! Hardly fitting of a featured article. I propose noting Almia (covered above a few times) and Orre (expliclty confirmed, see the citation in the [[Orre]] article. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 23:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu ==
Not wanting to add more information as there have been issues about its origin on other pages (no pun intended). However, I would like to point out that the note about Hiun City should be in the comments column, not shoved into the specific location column like it currently is. Could an admin fix that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu seems not to exist in North American continent. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Isshu#New_Map_of_isshu.
The game freak seems to have created the continent of fictitious. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Anime=/=Games--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 19:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

The United Tower is based in United States Headquarters in New York --[[User:Angelical Master Aqua|Angelical Master Aqua]] 22:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Do you have anything to back that up, or is it just baseless speculation? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==Capitilization error in title==

One would think that a featured article would have correct capitilization in the title. In the title the letters begin with lowercase letters when they should be uppercase. This is a basic rule of writing. I suggest this to be moved to so that the title is properly capitilized. If no one responds otherwise I'll move it to a correctly capitilized page. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:I guess sence no one responded it's okay to move? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
::Okay I'm moving the article to '''Pokémon World In Relation To The Real World.''' Any objections please let me know withen five minutes. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Not only is it not acceptable to move something just because someone hasn't "answered", it also looks very retarded. Unless it's something very specific, it Does Not Get Written Like This Because It Looks Wrong. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Besides, I also think you were acting too hasty anyway, you could have contacted one of the administrators first since it would have been easier to avoid making a simple mistake like this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Well I'm sorry I thought that since no one had anwsered that it was okay. I posted three times and someone could have said something instead of ignoring my comments. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::No, your method of doing this was completely inappropriate. You don't tell people to respond within 5 minutes. You wait until at least one person responds. That's the whole point of a discussion. You can't have a discussion with yourself. I can't speak for the rest, but I can't sit around here all day watching all the talk pages. I had only noticed this discussion here after I realized what was done. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Well I sencerly apologize for the way I handled the situation and I will not do it again in the future. I just want to help edit and I'm sorry if I made more work for you on here. I don't want to look "retarded" again. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Don't worry about it. Also, I didn't call you retarded, I know my choice of words there was inappropriate but that wasn't directed at you. I apologize if I offended you. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::It's okay you are just doing your job as admin. Thank you for letting me know about my mistake. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

==Anyone think this is important??==
as no one replied to my comment before, I'm putting it again here. I'm almost 100% sure that it's a parallel world! Should we put this in the article as a possibility?--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 09:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'll put it in now. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 16:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::What are you talking about? Are you saying the Pokémon World is a parallel to our world... ? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 18:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 13:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't say it's a parallel to our world, just yet. Have we seen a region based on any part of Africa, Australia, Europe, South America? No. So, it's not parallel enough. I would say the Pokemon world is based on our world. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they aren't there! --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 17:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Official source. Inspiration origin of Unova. ==

Sootopolis City 屋久島 Yakushima 鹿児島県 Kagoshima
The landscape of Sootopolis City is based on Santorini, Greece.

There is such a description. I similarly reflect an official source.

* Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from {{wp|Brooklyn Bridge}} and {{wp|Rainbow Bridge (Tokyo)|Rainbow Bridge}}.
* Tubeline Bridge draws inspiration from the {{wp|Forth Bridge}}.
* Village Bridge draws inspiration from the old Italian bridge.
* Entralink draws inspiration from the {{wp|Tokyo Imperial Palace}}.

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Fiore ==

My proposal: Fiore could be the northern part of the Shimokita Peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimokita_Peninsula)

* Rural.
* Closest to Sinnoh (Hokkaido).
* The geography fits very well.

[[User:KameXros|KameXros]] 17:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

== Real-world locations mentioned in the Anime: from dub or original? ==

It seems to me that some of the real-world locations mentioned in the Anime would clearly only be from the Dub. I think it's important to note this in the article somehow. [[User:Chaosakita|Chaosakita]] 07:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

== Hoenn ==

Having lived in Kyushu for about a year, I have gone around and visited some of the approximate locations that correlate with Hoenn. It would seem that the Kurokawa onsen town is correct for Lavaridge. It's southwest, at the base of Mt. Chimney, as Kurokawa Onsen is northwest in Kyushu.

Beppu seems to be the best match for Fallarbor town. The whole town is rife with geothermal activity with steam rising up all over the urban area. While it has hot springs like Aso town, there are also other forms of geothermal activity such as steam vents. Which I would assume the crater in Fallarbor is supposed to represent.

In terms of Meteor Falls, it appears that it isn't just one source of inspiration, but many. Oita prefecture is famous for both waterfalls and limestone caves. As inspiration for the cave setting, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Furen Cave. [http://www.furenshonyudo.jp/] So it would seem that Meteor Falls is a combination of both the waterfalls and limestone caves found in the Oita prefecture.

On a final note, it looks like Sootopolis City is shaped more like Yakushima Island. Ever Grande city is currently compared to Yakushima, but it seems inaccurate. As Yakushima is circular, and closer in relation to Sootopolis than Iwojima. Ever Grande city is shaped more like Okinawa Island when comparing the two. Just my two cents on what might need correction in the Hoenn section. And I'd be happy to know what everyone else thinks. ([[User:MauvilleGrovyle|MauvilleGrovyle]] ([[User talk:MauvilleGrovyle|talk]]) 02:25, 13 July 2012 (UTC))

== Fortree City: Kobayashi City, Miyazaki Prefecture? ==

Just flipping through Wikipedia and apparently there's an legend in the town involving the Suki Suspension Bridge, and since Fortree is big into their bridges, could be a match? If nobody has any significant objections I'll add it in. [[User:Rinne|Rinne]] ([[User talk:Rinne|talk]]) 16:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

== A Pokémon Center in Pokémon BW/B2W2 ==

In the Pokémon Black/White/Black2/White2 game, a [[:wikipedia:globe|globe]] is located on the second floor of any [[Pokémon Center]]s, it shows the real world, not the Pokemon world.

-- [[User:Love Krittaya|Love Krittaya]] ([[User talk:Love Krittaya|talk]]) 19:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's the Geonet, and it appears in DPPtHGSS too in the GTS/Global Terminal. It's necessary that it is the real world as it allows player's to specify their home country (and state/province) for international communication purposes. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI ==

At what point is it a good idea to add details here about Kalos/France and Lumiose City/Paris? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 03:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

==Cerulean City RL Counterpart==
In the table featured within the article, Cerulean City is said to be based on the real world Saitama City, Saitama Prefecture, Japan. Saitama City was not officially a city until 2001, several years after the 1st generation games. Cerulean was a city before Saitama existed as a city.

While you could then say that Cerulean was based on what was to become Saitama City, the geographical locations don't match either. With Maebashi and Mt Akagi (Pewter and Mt Moon) being way up in Gunma Prefecture, the scale of the map is huge. As Cerulean is much further East, but no further South, to put it down in Saitama Prefecture at all seems like a gross misplacement. The real-world counterpart would be much further East.

This makes me think it's actually a city called Tsuchiura, in Ibaraki prefecture.

Aside from this being a far more likely and accurate geographical correlation, Tsuchiura has many other points of relevance for Cerulean. Tsuchiura is famous for its massive abundance of lotus root; these plants grow and bloom in man-made lagoons - they are floating blooms. Cerulean is also mentioned as a "seaside" city, despite not being quite as far East as the sea; Tsuchiura sits right next to lake Kasumigaura, the second biggest lake in Japan, and has a seaside feel as a result, despite, as with Cerulean, not being quite as far East as the actual sea. The area that joins onto Tsuchiura, to the North East, is called Kasumigaura, possibly the inspiration for the gym leader (Kasumi) Misty. Misty's gym is located towards the bottom of Cerulean City, and Tsuchiura also has a huge gymnasium, including a complex of swimming pools and water park type features, which is located towards the bottom of the city. There are a couple of rivers that run through Tsuchiura, the largest being the river Sakura. The trainer bridge could also potentially correspond to the bridge that links Kasumigaura with Kasumigaura Fureai Land, although this is a little more speculative.

I'm aware that I could be wrong, but a great many things do seem to fit, or show a heavy similarity of being a match of some kind. Feel free to agree or disagree, but let me know what your reasons are for doing so. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 11:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

:Welcome to Bulbapedia! As for Cerulean, you seem to have done your homework. I agree with you to change Saitama to Tsuchiura. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 15:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

::Thanks. I sort of missed my point when I mentioned the Sakura river. "Sakuragawa" means "river of bloom" which isn't a huge leap from "water of flower" - similar to the unofficial but generally accepted name for the sisters at Cerulean gym in the animé. [[User:Cloud210|Cloud210]] ([[User talk:Cloud210|talk]]) 00:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

==Kalos Region==
I thought I'd submit some Kalos region counterparts for consideration. I haven't found a lot; just a few leads. The first is the most obvious: Lumiose City clearly corresponds to Paris. Others are less clear. I think the Tower of Mastery corresponds to Mont Saint-Michel, and Geosenge Town and the stones around it probably correspond to the Carnac Stones, or a similar site of standing stones. If anyone wants to add these or has better ideas of what these locations correspond to, feel free to add them to the page. I'm still easing back into the editing groove, so I don't feel up to adding them myself yet. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

Sakhalin is not disputed between Russia and Japan, how Sinnoh section of this article says. (Only Southern Kuril islands, including Kunashir are currently claimed by Japan).
Southern Sakhalin belonged to Japan before WWII, but now it is recognized part of Russia. [[User:Ruxax|Ruxax]] ([[User talk:Ruxax|talk]]) 23:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==
I think I may have some suggestions for what some of locations of the Kalos Region is based on.

Vaniville Town: Moulins or Nevers;

Aquacorde Town: Nevers, Bourges, or Auxere;

Santalune City: Fontainbleau or Auxere;

Camphrier Town: Orleans or Tours;

Cyllage City: St. Nazerre or Guérande;

[[User:UsagiNeko|UsagiNeko]] ([[User talk:UsagiNeko|talk]]) 04:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

== Battle Maison / Château de Chenonceau real world equivalent addition ==

I know that this article has a lot of fan speculation but I've gone ahead and added a real-world equivalent to the Battle Maison in X and Y as Château de Chenonceau. I was surprised that nobody so far has noticed the parallel between the two since the similarity is striking. Their layout as a bridge-castle is very similar and the visual style is so as well. They are also both in the same equivalent location (the Loire Valley, famous for its castles), west of Lumiose/Paris and close to Camphrier Town/Blois.{{unsigned|Almsivi}}

== Featured article disqualification ==

I have noticed that this article doesn't meet the criteria to be a featured article and I think that this should go to the candidates for removal of featured article. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 12:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
:The featured article is no long something we use. Articles that are already featured will remain featured, and no new articles will become featured. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

== Moon landing ==

In the Generation I games (and presumably the remakes as well), a woman in the Pewter museum refers to the first "lunar landing" (Apollo 11) and says that it took place on July 20,1969. Should this be added to the article? [[User:RS89|RS89]] ([[User talk:RS89|talk]]) 12:25, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
:Well, since we know that this event ''really'' took place that time, then I think it should be added. --[[User:PokémonXXXPlayer|PokémonXXXPlayer]] ([[User talk:PokémonXXXPlayer|talk]]) 16:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

== Floaroma Town ==

Why isn't Floaroma Town included in the Sinnoh section? It should be located just under Oreburgh Mine, however I'm still looking for it's location on Hokkaido. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:46, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I was looking at Google Earth, and the rough location would be the city of Ishikari, however, that is just what it is, a location. Is it possible that Valley Windworks should actually be listed as Floaroma Town because Tomamea is a town as well? [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 00:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Battle Zone ==

If possible, shouldn't the Battle Zone be a little more specific? i.e. Fight, Survival, Resort Area, Stark Mountain, etc. [[User:!BATUROO!|!BATUROO!]] ([[User talk:!BATUROO!|talk]]) 01:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Fukuoka is Biggest city in Kyushu, ==

BUT PETALBURG ISN'T BIGGEST CITY IN HOENN!!!!! NOT BASED ON FUKUOKA!!!!!--[[user:youngster|たんぱんこぞう]] [[user_talk:youngster|ｺﾞﾛｳ]] 01:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Location Inspiration ==

I don't know why, but for some reason, I think that the city the 18th movie takes place in is based on Chicago, mostly because the skyscraper on the left side of the poster looks a lot like Trump Tower, which is in the city. It just seems like a really good possibility that this city is based on Chicago. {{Unsigned|Harmonmj13}}

== Sea Spirit's Den ==

I wanted some agreement on this before I changed it, but I think Sea Spirit's Den is actually based on {{wp|Alderney}} and not {{wp|Jersey}}. If you compare a map of the [http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/channel-islands/map_of_channel-islands.jpg Channel Islands ] and [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8a/Kalos_alt.png Kalos] I think you will see that the 2 bigger green ones are Jersey and Guernsey, the little one is Sark and Sea Spirit's Den is Alderney. It is probably worth noting that historically the islands were part of Normandy (Northern France).

Another thing, it says that Jersey is part of the UK, this isn't correct. Jersey (and the other channel islands) have a complex relationship with the UK but they do not form part of it. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_dependencies This page] has more info on this. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 09:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

== Sakhalin ==

More specificly shouldn't Resort area be {{wp|Korsakovsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}}, Fight area and Survival Area in {{wp|Anivsky District}}, {{wp|Nevelsky District, Sakhalin Oblast}} or something more specific then just Sakhalin? {{unsigned|Raltseye}}

== edit war ==

You may have noticed the edit war between myself and Ratchet and Clank 1995, he/she is wrong. {{wp|British Islands}} is a legal term that unambiguously refers to the UK, Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey (the latter two are collectively the Channel Islands), as the wiki article says. He/she is right that the Channel Islands are not part of Great Britain/UK, which is why I changed it from UK to British Islands in the first place. (Originally he said he changed it because they were not part of the {{wp|British Isles}}, he/she may be right geographically but the term british isles is often used to include the channel islands)

While they are not technically part of the UK, Channel Islands are still 'British'. The inhabitants are entitled to a British passport, the queen is head of state, and the UK has responsibility for the defence and international representation of the islands. This is note worthy because they are the only non-French part of Kalos (although historically the islands were part of Normandy - Northern France). However, due to complicated reasons, it is incorrect to say they are part of the UK. 'British Islands' may be an unusual term, but it is correct and conveys that they are British without getting into complicated politics. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:Well then to be more specific they are [[wp:Crown dependencies]] officialy. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 15:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we should use the term Crown dependencies as the user Raltseye mentioned above but I'm not going to change it anymore. I have .[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:37, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

:I'm not sure about using the term 'Crown Dependences', it's a little obscure, I feel as if we would have to explain what it means and that would make us go off topic. There are pros and cons to using either 'British Isles' or 'British Islands', but I don't care anymore let's just leave it as British Isles [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

== Snowbelle ==

Likening Snowbelle City to Grenoble seems pretty unlikely as Grenoble is further south than Lyon, which is commonly accepted to be Kiloude City. It seems a lot more likely that Snowbelle is supposed to be Besançon or one of the surrounding cities such as Montbéliard, Dole or Lons-Le-Saunier, considering the region is known for cross-country skiing in the Jura mountains as well as freezing weather in the winter (the region of Jura is sometimes affectionately called "Little Siberia"). The general location fits, as well. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 17:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:I was the person to link Kiloude City to Lyon and I still believe this to be correct, one reason why I linked it was the fact that Lyon is just slightly North of the Gironde estuary which its Pokémon counterpart can be seen on the Kalos map so they seem to match. You have made a valid point that Grenoble is too far south so I agree with you and that Snowbelle cannot possibly be based on Grenoble's location. I would say go ahead and change Grenoble to Besançon as it does seem to fit and the fact that it's called "Little Siberia" could go in the notes section as it actually seems relevant.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::I edited it. Further reading for reference : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extreme_temperatures_in_France , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouthe . To be fair, Snowbelle itself doesn't resemble Besançon much, but as it's the largest city in Franche-Comté and the capital of the infamously cold Doubs department, it seems fair. [[User:Rappy28|Rappy28]] ([[User talk:Rappy28|talk]]) 14:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

== Kenya ==

I'm tired of seeing all of you edit warring over something so small without anyone bothering to open a discussion, so instead I'm starting a discussion on it. Personally, I don't see the problem with adding something on the end along the lines of "Kenya is also the name of a mountain in the country of Kenya, Mount Kenya, from which the country derives its name." I don't think it would hurt to add a small line on like that, especially considering that it is in fact where the name originates. Yes, the Spearow is probably named after the country, but the country itself is named after the mountain. '''[[User:Slimey01|slimey]][[User talk:Slimey01|01]]''' 13:32, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
:There was a discussion, on my talk page, where I clearly said that the country is the most likely reference. The mountain is irrelevant in this case since it's not something one would immediately think of. I've already made it clear, but Ratchet is just being stubborn.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
::To point out even more, 4 users total were involved in the discussion, with 3 of the 4 agreeing that the country is the first (if not only) thing most people would think of. As Force Fire said, these wars are the result of one person with the strong belief that their opinion outweighs the majority of other opinions expressed, which at this point I will no longer be dealing with reverting, leaving it for staff members to deal with. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:08, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I would however think of the mountain and so would a lot of other people. Kenya is also a name that has been used in the USA since the 1960s so the Spearow could just have the name Kenya. There is one issue with that point which is the other points actually say a location this Spearow just happens to have the name Kenya which doesn't mention the location, the only way it could would be if the guard said that he named it after the country and that would be the mention not the name itself.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
::::You wouldn't be saying that if you didn't know that the mountain existed or there are people named Kenya. You're only using that because you've just looked that up and are trying to justify yourself. I didn't know about the mountain or people named Kenya, but now that I do know, I still think the country is the first thing that comes to mind. No common person is going to know either the mountain or people named Kenya, because the country is much more significant than the two. I've already told you to let this go, and you are clearly not listening. This discussion is close and the decision is final.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:17, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::What, I knew about the mountain way before this, in school my class did a project about Kenya in 2006 so myself and everyone who was in the same class knows about Mount Kenya. Every Kenyan probably knows about the mountain and the fact that their country is named after it. You said that no one would know about the name Kenya, people who know people called Kenya would know about it being used as a name. It's just a guess that it is named after Kenya as no other information is provided and as a result my decision is final and the whole point stays off.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 00:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::And per usual, you completely missed what I said. I said no '''common''' person is going to know the mountain or people named Kenya, of course people living in Kenya (and geographers, for that matter) are going to know the mountain. But everyone else, no... just no. You are in no position to say what the final decision is, I've already said no but you're clearly not listening.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:52, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Thinking about it, after all of this discussion you have only been able to say it is "most likely the country" and haven't provided any evidence to say that it actually certainly does mention the country. As there is no certain way of knowing whether it actually mentions the country it should be left out because the Spearow just has a nickname which has been a name in the USA since the 1960s whereas all of the other points has a character actually say a place. By this logic of "most likely" couldn't we say Ash's Charizard is most likely male because of its relationship with Charla and the fact that homosexual and bisexual Pokémon have not been confirmed to exist in the anime. If we go by that logic Charizard's page should just say it's male. Ask random Pokémon fans what gender they think Charizard is and they probably all think male. This site seems to have it both ways in the case of genders it has to be explicitly stated whereas in this instance it doesn't it's just a name the guard didn't say that he named it after the country. I really don't see any difference but you admins have it both ways when it suits you,

:::::::'''HYPOCRISY!!!!!'''[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Using your logic, ask any random joe about what they think of when they hear "Kenya", they'll tell you the country. You have been told to drop this by not only me, but by Kogoro as well. So for the last time, drop it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
(resetting indent)You didn't even argue against my point about the fact that you are only using "most likely" the country. In your argument about Pangoro's slash you made it very clear that assumptions should not be made yet you are doing exactly that on this article. As I mentioned Ash's Charizard is most likely male and it's page doesn't state male so why when there is no explicit information stating that the country is mentioned is this allowed but in order for a Pokémon's gender to be confirmed it must be explicitly stated. Why don't you drop it and just allow the point to be removed because it doesn't add much to the page and it doesn't actually mention it as it's only a name that has been used since the 1960s so they could have just called it Kenya.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

== Anville Town ==

I noticed under the Unova section nobody put the equivalent to Anville Town. There's nothing much to actually do in Anville, but I believe there still has to be a real-life counterpart to it. I was speaking with my mother about this, and she grew up in Queens so she knows New York and Northern New Jersey like the back of her hand. I grew up in Bergen County, so I know a bit about it too. I asked her exactly what Anville Town would be based off of based upon its location, and we came to the conclusion that it is the equivalent to Morristown, NJ. Morristown is known for its train station and one of its stops transits right into the 59th Street's station (which is what Nimbasa is based off of).
Yay or nay? {{unsigned|MeruNoUta}}

== Spear Pillar ==

Mt. Asahi is the highest peak in Hokkaido, as Spear Pillar is the highest peak in Sinnoh. Mt. Asahi's location relative to the rest of Hokkaido is also close to Spear Pillar's location relative to the rest of Sinnoh. Can I say that Spear Pillar was based on Mt. Asahi? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:This is a change I was going to suggest as well. Based on Mt. Coronet's layout as you near the peak and what you can see of the surrounding terrain, Mt. Asahi looks to be a very close match to Spear Pillar. It's also in the correct geographical position, and it works uncannily well in locating the Sinjoh Ruins (or at least where ''I'' think they are). [[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 06:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

== Decolore Islands ==

I noticed that the region hasn't been added yet, along with the Orange Islands. As a resident of Connecticut, I believe the the Decolore Islands are most likely based on the Thimble Islands. They are located close to New York, the area Unova itself is based on. Additionally, many of the Decolore Islands are not populated and instead used as nature preserves, similar to the major university-owned Thimble Islands used for ecological studies. However, a few islands in the Thimbles are built up considerable, such as Money Island. This is similar to the Unnamed Island in BW138. [[User:Manqoba|Manqoba]] ([[User talk:Manqoba|talk]]) 15:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:With all due respect, I think your perception of likelihood may be influenced by home-state bias. Looking at a map, the Thimble Islands hug Connecticut ''very'' closely, far from the border with New York, and ''very'' far from any part of New York that Unova is based on. I think this is a case of confirmation bias, sorry. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Oblivia ==

Assuming that Oblivia is in fact based on the Oki Island, here is what I believe to be the relation:
*Dolce Island is Chibu
*Renbow Island and Mitonga Island form the two halves of Nishinoshima
*Sophian Island is Okinoshima (transposed a bit)
But Faldera, Layuda and Tilikule have no real-world counterpart. [[User:Ifni400|Ifni400]] ([[User talk:Ifni400|talk]]) 23:51, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Images and Mystery Dungeon ==

I have two questions, 1. Why is it that only the three latest regions have a compairing image to the corresponding real world location? Also both Unova's and Kalos' as well as Almia's image all have the real world location above it while Alola's is located beneeth. Why? 2. Isn't the Mystery Dungeon world based on somewhere in the world or is it just made out of the air so to speak. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 11:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Blackthorn City, Dragon's Den and Ice Path ==

Northeastern Johto is not an easy area to pin down, but I think I've found something that accurately depicts the Blackthorn area. I can tell people have already made a significant effort to locate these places, so I don't want to make any changes to their contributions without talking about them first.

First off, I don't think there's much significance between Clair's Japanese name, Ibuki, and the suggested Dragon's Den, Mt. Ibuki. Ibuki means "breath", and is often associated with a strong will, impulsive behavior and over-sensitivity; this seems to fit Clair pretty well. In GSC, the TM she awards you with is Dragonbreath, or Ryu-no-ibuki in the JP version, another possible origin of her name. I'm sorry, but I'm really starting to doubt her name was inspired by the mountain believed to have the had the world's heaviest snowfall in recorded history, so I don't think there's much supporting that mountain as the location of Dragon's Den. However, given the mountain's close proximity to "Mahogany" and "Lake of Rage" and its own icy history, I think it's a strong candidate for the entrance to Ice Path.

The next thing I want to critique is the Blackthorn-Shirakawa theory. The main thing that made me look into this is that Shirakawa is significantly far away from where you'd expect to find it relative to the other locations we've found, and unlike the the questionable relationship between Cherrygrove/Violet, Shirakawa is also very far away from every other location we've found (it's the most isolated location in all of real-world Johto/Kanto to date). Additionally, Shirakawa is famous for its nearly-uniform gasshō-zukuri, but these designs aren't reflected in Blackthorn's new buildings even though Violet and Ecruteak received makeovers that match Nara and Kyoto.

Okay, now for my suggestions. I think Blackthorn is Kai/Kofu, Yamanashi; Ice Path (exit) is the oft-hypothesized Narusawa Ice Cave, Yamanashi; and Dragon's Den is Kanazakura-jinja Shrine, Yamanashi.

My first lead came when I saw a "Did You Know" on the Smash Bros series; during development the first game was called "Dragon King: Fighting Game" and featured a striking picture of a low-rise neighborhood with Mt Fuji (Mt Silver) in the background. The video claimed the game's name came from that neighborhood, which just so happened to be where HAL Laboratory was located, and that the picture was taken by a certain programmer I'll name later. This all piqued my interest, so I started digging. The town's name was Ryūō, with a population around 40,000 (right on the low end of other towns believed to inspire other towns up to this point), and it was merged with several other towns into Kai in 2004 (after the release of GSC). Geographically, it's a strong match for Blackthorn, surrounded by mountains and with Fuji standing prominently to its Southeast; the biggest issue is that it's tightly clustered with a number of significant cities. Then I zoomed out, and I realized the broader Kofu basin is a very close match to the birds-eye view shape of Blackthorn (use Earth mode to make this more apparent). According to legend, the Kofu basin used to be a lake until Kami pushed on of the mountains aside and the lake drained to the south; this southerly river-valley is clearly visible from a map and could explain the river in Blackthorn and Route 45 in HGSS.

Okay, so Dragon's Den. Kanazakura-jinja Shrine is just north of Kai, it prominently features a pair of dragons, the "rising and falling dragons", and one carries a fire crystal and the other a water crystal. The translations from their website are a little wonky, but it sounds like these dragons symbolize the reconstruction of the main shrine after it collapsed in a 1953 fire (there's also some visible damage to the Den in HGSS), with the dragons drawing attention to fire above and water below. Rising and falling dragons, fire above/water below... I think this symbolism is an interesting parallel to Dragon's Den and the lava-filled Gym located directly above it, and what was the name of that Gym's badge? Rising. Also, the Shrine wasn't all that burned; most of the Kofu basin was destroyed in a night-time air raid in 1945. Combined, these fires may have inspired Blackthorn's name, Fusube, or black smoke.

Anyone who's still reading has probably already encountered the idea that Narusawa Ice Cave corresponds to Ice Path, so I'll just say Kai/Kofu is sandwiched neatly between the Cave and the Shrine. Also, an Ibuki/Naursawa fused Ice Path may serve as a "portal" of sorts to cover the long distance between Koka/Mahogany and Kai.

Finally, earlier I mentioned HAL's R&D center in Kai and a certain programmer. We know that GameFreak has a habit of featuring themselves in the Pokemon games, but what about guest programmers? Well, HAL may not have worked on GSC directly, but their then-president did! Satoru Iwata famously helped development along through graphical compression (he's directly attributed with freeing up enough space on the cartridges to add the Kanto region to the games), so where might he be in Blackthorn? The Move Deleter, of course! Iwata freed up space on the carts, the MD frees up space on your Pokemon; considering everything else, I find this to be more than mere coincidence.

Any one of these location changes might not be very persuasive on their own, but I think they're pretty compelling when taken altogether. What do you guys think about these possible changes in our listed locations?[[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 07:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

== Lake Valor ==

The article currently says that Lake Valor is based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Kussharo Lake Kussharo], which is closer to Abashiri (Veilstone) than Kushiro (Pastoria). However, I think the lake might be based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Akan Lake Akan]. Although Lake Akan is much smaller and doesn't have the same shape (round with an island in the middle), its location corresponds to Lake Valor's location much better than Lake Kussharo, and there is a small resort village on its southern shore.

[[User:ILoveArceus|ILoveArceus]] ([[User talk:ILoveArceus|talk]]) 21:33, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

== Kahoolawe??? ==

How is [[Exeggutor Island]] based off of Kahoolawe? Kahoolawe is southwest of Maui (& is in Maui County), which is what Akala is based off of, not Kauai. {{User|BoygeyMario}}
:Geographically, Exeggutor Island is Niihau, but if you read the notes, it says that it is uninhabited by humans like Kahoolawe.[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 19:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Azoth Kingdom and England or Italy ==

In the design of the Azoth Kingdom, there are elements that refer to the industrial revolution and Steampunk design, if we take into account that Volcanion is based in part on a steam engine, which was created in England, it would be possible for the Azoth Kingdom it was near north north of Kalos or in England itself.

But if we take into account that Nikola is based on Da Vinci, the kingdom could be on the border between Kalos and some equivalent to Italy in the Pokemon World.

¿What do you think?

[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 9:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
:It seems to me that going by anything other than the architecture itself would be too speculative. Many (dare I say most?) places in the Pokemon world include elements/characters based on things from other places than what the location itself was based on. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

::I said it because Magearna and Volcanion are based on the industrial revolution. [[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]]) 11:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Galar Region ==

So the Galar Region has just been announced for Pokemon Sword and Shield, and I know there were rumours before the announcement that it would be based off of the UK, so as a Briton myself, I've tried to verify that/match the locations. The industrial and farming focus definitely suits the UK, and I can see a structure that looks like the Palace of Westminster in the Icy Northern City, suggesting the island is flipped North to South. Based on this, its industrial nature and the canal leading to the main, red-brick city, I think that it represents Manchester, which would mean that the city by the wall would be Birmingham.
Just some preliminary ideas, we shall have to wait for more information before confirming anything.

Talk:Kommo-o (Pokémon)

2016-11-01T18:56:30Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Thumbs */ new section

== Russian name ==

What you'd expect, since visually it looks like the English, but it's Коммо-о. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 14:05, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
:The transliteration should be as follows <code>''Kommo-o''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name</code> --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 14:19, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

== English update ==
The English name origin should be updated [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 18:13, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
:Please don't leave the same message on multiple pages. We are working on getting everything updated, but because we fact-check everything and want to bring the most accurate information possible, it takes us a little longer. Please be patient. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 18:28, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

== Unique type combination ==

No other Pokémon so far has the same type combination as Hakamo-o and Kommo-o. Shouldn't this be added? [[User:Billy-Chespin|Billy-Chespin]] ([[User talk:Billy-Chespin|talk]]) 13:11, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
:Until all Gen VII Pokemon have been revealed, it won't be added, as they could reveal a new unrelated Pokemon with the Dragon/Fighting combination.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:13, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
::that's true, but in my opinion it's pretty unlikely that we'll see another Dragon/Fighting type Pokémon. But yes it could happen [[User:Billy-Chespin|Billy-Chespin]] ([[User talk:Billy-Chespin|talk]]) 16:27, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

== Origin ==
Can't Kommo-o and his pre-evolutions partly be based on {{wp|Pangolins}} and/or {{wp|Armadillos}}? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 19:00, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
:It doesn't think seem to have anything in common with those animals, other than the plates. And even the plates are more similar to stegosaurs, ankylosaurs, or other dinosaurs than to armadillos or pangolins. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:17, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

== Thumbs ==

I'm not sure how important it is to the bio, but I noticed how it lists Kommo-o as having three claws on it's hands, when it has 3 and a thumb, so four in total.[[User:ZiggyAngelo8|ZiggyAngelo8]] ([[User talk:ZiggyAngelo8|talk]]) 18:56, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Pseudo-legendary Pokémon/Archive 1

2016-10-31T18:31:38Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Kommo-o */

==What???==
What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:im not going to say its unnessecary, but "Psuedo-legendary" sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a "Competitive Battling Project" thing. I do believe I heard the term "Pseudo-legendary" at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]

::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie

:::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

== Flygon? ==

I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Dragonair? ==

CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Aggron ==

What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User talk:Kpokefan|P]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|F]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==

Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Pseudo-legendary --> Powerhouse ==

It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.

Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.

It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).

::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

absolutly, my old car was nicknamed "the powerhouse" but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, "powerhouse" is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics!

::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).

::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.

::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term "pseudo-legendary" is the usage of "legendary." There are Pokémon that are "legendary" which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon "qualify" has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones "deserve" to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Title Trouble ==

Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it "powerhouse" '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Arcanine ==
Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|'''Boy''']][[User talk:Boywonder01|'''wonder''']][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|'''01''']] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== 600 stat point total a requirement? ==

Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk
::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true "Base" stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

=={{p|Lucario}}==
Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line,
two types, as well as a base stat total of 600.
:::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==
Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Inbalance ==

Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== New table ==
'''Here:'''
{| align="center" style="background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252"
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}
! colspan="4" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;"| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:149.png]] '''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:248.png]] '''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:373.png]] '''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:376.png]] '''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:445.png]] '''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{typecolor|Dark}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:148.png]] {{pcolor|Dragonair|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:247.png]] {{pcolor|Pupitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:372.png]] {{pcolor|Shelgon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:375.png]] {{pcolor|Metang|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:444.png]] {{pcolor|Gabite|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:147.png]] {{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:246.png]] {{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:371.png]] {{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:374.png]] {{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:443.png]] {{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|}
*[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Available only as their first form. ==

The article states that "Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum."

However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 "most", or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy?

I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Kingdra ==

It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Base Stat total trivia ==

On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Stats ==

I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like "at least 600"? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==

Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}

:Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

== Ash's Larvitar ==

It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,"Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family." or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::From my previous comment on the matter:
::::::''Its article is named as such'' [ie. "Ash's Larvitar"] ''for the sake of simplicity''
:::::We can't very well call the article "the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him" or something. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there

== Addition of Charizard ==
I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

== Kibago ==

Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Dratini==
Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

:That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because "Legendary Pokemon" is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}

::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wrong. Trivia must be "on topic". You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

== Metagross is used in Gen V ==

Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}

== Ononokus ==

Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}

== Two types really necessary? ==

I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should "define" a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Ulgamoth ==

This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a "legendary" because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being "strong" has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes "has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100". Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::In other words, think of it this way:

::::::-Non-legendary.
::::::-Evolves atleast once.
::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.
::::::-Dual typed.
::::::-Slow Experience group.

::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.

:::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

== METAGROSS ==

In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== Did anyone mention... ==
that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.
:It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
: : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]

== Coincidences. ==

Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
:Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

== Slaking ==

I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means "resembling a legendary", and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
:''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are "like legendaries", we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. "The fandom" is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean "like legendary", it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). "The fandom" refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

== So seriously, what's the definition? ==

As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
: PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called "Pikachu Clones" back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as "Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve." Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the "mono-" part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.
:::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?
:::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.
:::::The "three-stage evolutionary family" thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying "not legendary", but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of "pseudolegendaries", so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.
:::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''7'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)
:::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say "Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary"... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::Thing is, pseudo-legendary is the observation of a pattern and nothing more. When they all fit it and it is likely that they will continue fitting a condition, it should be treated as part of the definition. No, removing the experience group condition does not remove anything, but that condition is really for restricting what we may get next generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Next generation, if we get a Pokemon with a BST of 600 who is at the top of a three-stage evolution family in the medium-slow experience group instead of slow, and it doesn't have any major negative traits like Truant, do you really think the fandom isn't going to call it a pseudo-legendary? Do you honestly believe most of the fandom - who defined the term - even cares about experience curves that much? And can you provide a source on it? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::There is no source (BP was the only fansite I could find that actually defined pseudo-legendary outside of "means Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon"), because GF has never officially mentioned the pattern anywhere, but the pattern is obvious enough that the fandom has noticed it. Knowing the fandom—who tried and push Volcarona and Haxorus into being pseudo-legendary—there will certainly be many people who think it should be. However, it won't truly be one. I don't see that ever happening though, as experience group is part of the pattern. Even if something had a BST of 600, three-stage evolutionary family and medium-slow experience group but had Truant, it would still be pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::Isn't that a contradiction? (Did you get your experience groups confused?) And if something can be pseudolegendary with Truant, then Slaking should definitely count, since his stats are way higher than the existing pseudolegendaries (NOTE: I do not consider Slaking a pseudolegendary, I'm just saying that the logic doesn't flow.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Truant is irrelevant; its BST is not 600, so it does not fit the pattern. And yes, I meant slow experience group (I meant to check that before I saved). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::I would argue that, though it's not a very specific or encyclopedic definition, a pseudo-legendary Pokemon would be a non-legendary Pokemon as strong, stat-wise, as legendaries. By that simple definition, Slaking easily fits the bill... or, rather, he would, except Truant limits his strength. (Well, Regigigas is similarly hindered, but all the same...) Now that said, all pseudos that exist have 600; there's no argument here and it works to say it. But the rest of it is redundant, adds nothing to the definition, and is something we'll just have to retcon away the moment GameFreak decides to contradict it.
:::::::::::BTW, Does ''anyone else at all'' have any input? Anyone? I've notived that a lot of Bulbapedia discussions go nowhere fast; at best, they wind up arguments between two or three users, like, say, this one. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::If you ask any fan what they define psuedo legendary as, they would say a three stage evolution line with a 600 BST in the final stage. Two types and experience are not what you would get with most fans definition. Since this is a fandom term, we should use the definition most fans use. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 21:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Pesudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an intentional pattern. Experience group is part of this part of the pattern. Therefore, it should be considered part of the definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It's part of the "pattern" that people only learn about when they read this page. Regardless of if it's a pattern or not, it's not what the fandom defined definition is. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 03:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
(unindenting) [http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/best_of_best Here is one example] of the term being define without the dual typing or the experience mentioned. I'm sure I can find more online later when not at work. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 10:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== Champion Iris with Hydreigon ==

You should add that. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 00:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

== Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary ==

Maybe we should have a pseudo-pseudo legendary page or section for all the almost pseudo-legendary pokemon (That don't quite fit the requirements but are still considered near-legendary pokemon. This is just after reading the whole talk page about the controversy... {{unsigned|Yor2cool}}
:That would result in debates over what counts as almost fitting the category. The definition debates all assume the same Pokémon as already part of the group. There are no Pokémon that are debatably pseudo-legendary Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== Something unique about Metagross ==

Should it be noted that Metagross is the only Pseudo who doesn't resist, but in fact has a weakness to, fire? [[User:DragonMasterNeal|DragonMasterNeal]] ([[User talk:DragonMasterNeal|talk]]) 19:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== Ability capitalization ==

A user with permission could change "ability" to "Ability" in the Tyranitar section. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 19:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Seriously? ==

Why is this page protected? I wanted to add something to Others. [[User:Stickipedia|Stickipedia]] ([[User talk:Stickipedia|talk]]) 21:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
:As the protection log notes: "''As this is a subject of constant debate, editing is restricted. Requests can be made on the talk page.''" - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 21:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

== Tyranitar as main Pokemon of an NPC trainer ==

* "Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is not the main Pokémon of a major boss at the end of the game it was introduced in. However, Tyranitar was used by Blue in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions, but only in his rematch."

Tyranitar (as a [[Shadow Pokémon]]) was also [[Evice]]'s main Pokémon, in the final battle of [[Pokémon Colosseum]]. I think this is an interesting addition we can make to that note. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

== Minor RFEs ==

Playing the Grammar Nazi card....

Under the Metagross section, there is this line:

:"This is likely why Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon not to be used by Lance in any game, as he prefers Dragon-type and '''draconian''' Pokémon."

The correct word is ''draconic''; the word 'draconian' means '[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/draconian severely harsh or strict]'.

And under Garchomp's section:

:"It '''compliments''' these attributes with '''it's''' Ground typing,"

Wrong 'its', no apostrophe required. And it should probably use compl'''e'''ment instead of compl'''i'''ment.

--''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

== Use by gym leaders ==

Should we add some of the gym leaders (in their various types of rematches and the PWT) as users of the pseudo-legendaries, and possibly the Elite Four? For example, Brock with Tyranitar and Giovanni and Clair with Garchomp. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 01:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon Pages ==
I'm bringing this up here because it seems silly to go to each individual page to say it...
Should the Pokémon's actual pages really say that they're "pseudo-legendary Pokémon" up at the top? I mean, by definition it is a '''fan term''', so I don't think it belongs there with their typing and evolutionary patterns. Maybe in their trivia sections, but not there. It looks very unprofessional to stick a fan-term at the top of the pages of these Pokémon, otherwise you might as well change Snivy's opening text to "Snivy (fannon: Smugleaf)". It's just as ridiculous. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Actually, a better comparison would be changing all of Eevee's evolutionary family pages to say "X is a Y-type Eeveelution". What I'm saying is, I don't think fan terminology belongs there. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
:Eeveelution has actually became canon term (first used in [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8c/Pok%C3%A9mon_Stadium_2_-_Nintendo_Player%27s_Guide_p120.jpg Stadium 2 guide], then later in TCG Theme Deck... plus in-game in Shadows of Almia). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:22, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
::Fine, make that edit then, but that's not my point. "Pseudo-legendary" is not an official term, its a fan term. This is not Smogon, this is an encyclopaedia. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Since this page seems to be under indefinite protection, I'm forced to request here instead of waiting out the protection. There are three instances of the word '''typing''' being incorrectly used as a noun, which you can find by CTRL+F. Can these please be changed to simply '''type'''? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

== Metagross in Gen III ==

I think it is worth mentioning that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary that cannot be obtain in the generation it was released in, before defeating the elite four. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 10:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
:The same goes for Tyranitar.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 10:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be added that only [[Tyranitar]] and [[Metagross]] aren't partially dragon-type? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
:[[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon#Other|It is there.]]--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

== Goodra ==

So, if Goodra is to be included, it would mean A) Goodra is the first pure type, B) Goodra has the highest Sp.Def./the only 1 with Sp.Def. its highest stat/has the lowest Att. C) Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly, D) Hydreigon is no longer the only pseudo with a type immunity via ability (Goodra's Sap Sipper), E) Goodra is the only pseudo who is not necessarily immune to a type (since it has 2 other abilities), F) Goodra is the only pseudo with additional evolutionary conditions, G) Goodra is the only pseudo whose mid-stage is available in its debut games. Anything else? --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

<blockquote> "Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly" </blockquote>
:Wait what? I'm going to need explanation for this one. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 20:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
::Dragonite-Guides crews of shipwrecks to shore, kindhearted. Goodra-Hugs trainer. [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

== There are seven pseudo-legendaries now ==

enough said. ~--[[User:Dapianoman|Dapianoman]] ([[User talk:Dapianoman|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

== Users ==

Goodra is also used by Shauna in X&Y. Just a small thing that I would add if I could :L [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 19:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's already in the article. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 19:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

== Goodra Description ==

Shall I make the description for Goodra or is someone else assigned to it? [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

== Images for Goomy and Sligoo on the chart ==

You messed it up. Goomy's image is where Sliggoo's should be and vice versa. [[User:StongRadd|StongRadd]] ([[User talk:StongRadd|talk]]) 03:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolutions ==

Should it be noted that Tyranitar and Garchomp both receive Mega Evolutions in Gen VI?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 04:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

== Counting error ==

With the addition of Goodra, there are now seven pseudo-legendary Pokemon, not 6. pikalax 22:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mistaken ==

Pseudo-legendary is a fanmade term, and the definition of pseudo-legendary varies from fan to fan. So why does it say Pokémon like Flygon, Aggron, Kingdra, et cetera are mistaken for pseudo-legendaries? While they may not be pseudo-legendaries in one fan's terms, Garchomp may not be pseudo-legendary in another fan's terms. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 21:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
:They are not pseudo-legendary by the definition agreed upon by Bulbapedia and metagame websites. Individual people who don't bother to look into things like stats may mistakenly think that "pseudo-legendary" is just a term that means nearly or almost legendary, when it is actually a very specific term for a very specific kind of Pokemon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
::Most metagame websites don't list Goodra as pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 17:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:::But according to Bulbapedia's description of a pseudo-legendary, and unless I am very mistaken, this wiki is indeed Bulbapedia, it is a pseudo-legendary, which is why it's on the page. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 17:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Bulbapedia's description is not the only description out there, and my point is no Pokémon can be "mistaken" for a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 01:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Yes, but this is Bulbapedia, that is the description that Bulbapedia has settled on for what a pseudo legendary is and so that is why Goodra is on the list. There are other definitions out there with some of those other Pokémon coming into them, which is why, by Bulbapedia's definition, they are mistaken. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 22:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an existing pattern. Goodra fits this pattern, so it is pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== mainly shared weakness? ==

I've noticed every single pseudo-legendary has the fairy weakness besides metagross. That could be something to consider. {{unsigned|Nerdandrew}}
:Sure, notable trivia if all of them had the weakness. However, "All but one" is not notable trivia. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 16:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
::I think it can be added to the "Individual characteristics" section, though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

== Information about Goodra ==

Can admins add information about Goodra since the page is locked, thank you and remember it is the only pseudo-legendary to have one type: Dragon (which it usually had). [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 04:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== "All pseudo-legendary Pokémon have appeared in the anime" ==

Which isn't true, now that we have Goodra with Gen VI. Alteration, maybe? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 05:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
:By the end of any given generation, all Pokemon (regardless of pseudo-legendary status) have appeared in the anime except Porygon2 and Porygon-Z, so I feel like saying that on this page is unnecessary altogether. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== Sprites into artwork ==

Can any admin turn these sprites into artwork since the page is protected. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Admins, since we're in Generation VI, could you turn sprites into artwork so that is my commet above. And turn Goodra's Dream World artwork into a Sugimori artwork. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks, one down, six to go, can you turn Dragonite, Tyraniter, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp and Hydreigon's sprites into artwork? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:33, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

== Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have any 4× weaknesses. ==

This is false. With the introduction of Goodra, Metagross is no longer the only pseudo-legendary with 4x weaknesses. Goodra has only one type, and therefore can't have any 4x weakness. I would edit this myself, but I can't. [[User:Svolur|Svolur]] ([[User talk:Svolur|talk]]) 04:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

== Error regarding Sliggoo ==

"Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form for the first paired games of their generation." This is not true since in X/Y there are wild Sliggoo. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:59, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
:"Due to having the same typing as Dragonite, Salamence differs itself by being entirely focused on attacking prowess. It's stats are high in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed, while comparatively low in both Defense stats." Please correct that "it's" and ban whoever wrote it. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 23:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
:Another typo on the page: "psuedo-legendary". --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 09:10, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

== A few changes... ==

:1. (3.2.8 Other) Dragonite and Tyranitar's Special Defenses of 100 pale in comparison to Goodra's 150.
:2. (3.3 Users) Last I checked, Shauna is neither an Elite 4 member nor a Champion, and so should probably be included in the second list (which, by the way, already has more than three examples, with two of them being outside of Diamond, Pearl and Platinum).
:3. (4 In the anime) "newly introduced" should be changed to "newly-introduced".
Thanks. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|talk]] 02:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
:On that last one — it's incorrect to use a hyphen after a -ly word, per AP style guidelines. I quote from the AP Stylebook 2012, page 301 of the punctuation guide, under the entry on hyphens: ''"COMPOUND MODIFIERS: When a compound modifier — two or more words that express as single concept — precedes a noun, use hyphens to link all the words in the compound except the adverb very and all adverbs that end in -ly."'' [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
::Ah! You learn something new every day. Also, a few more things:
:::4. (2 Characteristics) That second paragraph needs rewriting; I propose: "The base stages of pseudo-legendary Pokémon have base stat totals of 300, while their first evolutions have base stat totals of 420, excluding Pupitar and Gabite, which have 410. In general, pseudo-legendary Pokémon have Attack as their highest stat. This is not the case with Hydreigon and Goodra, which have Special Attack and Special Defense as their highest stats, respectively."
:::5. (3.2.1 Dragonite) The last sentence should be removed, what with the very affectionate, and might I add adorable, Goodra.
:::6. (3.3 Users) It should be somehow mentioned that in Black and White 2's Challenge Mode, Caitlin's use of Metagross extends to her first battle.
::-- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|talk]] 02:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
::::Did 5 and 6. I have removed the entire "Characteristics" section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. 1 was dealt with ages ago. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

== Goomy line's catch rate ==

It was confirmed that the Goomy line's catch rate is 20, not 45, will admins add information about the catch rates because this line and the Beldum line do not have a catch rate of 45. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
:Oh sorry, we don't know the Goomy line's catch rate until the catch rates of Kalos Pokémon are from the official sources, my bad. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

==Spelling and the Goomy line==
Because Legendary Pokémon are spelled as 'legendary', could someone change it to 'Legendary' according to a user's Pokémon Syntax? Also, the Goomy line are not next to the Legendary Pokémon and Sliggoo doesn't have a BST of 420, which instead had a BST of 452. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
:I'm happy to leave "psuedo-legendary" as that, since it's a fan term and doesn't necessarily have to fit the same capitalization standard as "Legendary Pokémon". This is mainly because I don't feel like going through and doing all the relinking though—it would be way easier conceptually if it was written as "pseudo-Legendary". --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

== Additional fact ==

Under the list of exceptions to the Elite Four and Champions being the only people to use pseudo-legendaries, can someone add that Roark uses a Tyranitar during the rematches at the Battleground in Platinum? [[User:Aggron989|''AGG'']][[User talk:Aggron989|''RON'']][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|''989'']] 22:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
:That whole exceptions section was meant to be for only the three Trainers in DPPt that used pseudo-legendaries, but it just kept building up with examples from other games. I've removed it, since it is no longer accurate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

== Pokédex placement ==

"With the exception of the Garchomp and Hydreigon evolutionary lines, pseudo-legendary Pokémon are usually situated adjacent to the legendary trios in the Pokédexes of their respective generations"

This line actually isn't correct anymore, the Goodra line is next to Karrablast and Quagsire in regional, with Klefki in national. And since it's only one 4/7 of the Pokémon, I don't think it's really notable anymore. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 15:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
:Correct. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 16:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
::I have removed the entire "Characteristics" section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

== This Page Should Be Deleted ==

<nowiki>*</nowiki>Rolls Eyes* This is a wiki, and wikis deal in factual information, not user-created lists and categories... By this logic, every wiki for game that have mod support should have an individual page for every user-created mod. I don't see a legitimate reason as to why this page should exist, as it in no way fits in with the content template every page on Bulbapedia is based off of... [[User:Ulithium Dragon|Ulithium Dragon]] ([[User talk:Ulithium Dragon|talk]]) 21:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
:See [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#What???|What???]]. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 22:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
::This page desribes a clear pattern of Pokémon that Game Freak has put into the game. We just use he fan name to describe them, because there is no official one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

== Does three stage evolution really matters? ==

I got a doubt, does three stage evolution really matters, because many pokemon like heracross has a base stat of 600 and is a dual Bug/Fighting type. Its signature move Megahorn is the most powerful bug type move, and it's movepool contains some powerful moves like Earthquack and Focuspunch with its base stat comes par with legendary pokemon and even has 4x damage on celebi. [[User:Tgage|Tgage]] ([[User talk:Tgage|talk]]) 12:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
:Yes it does, it is a vital part of the definition. By the same logic, you could ask if the 600 base stat total really matters.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 13:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

== Dragonite's height ==

I saw that Tyranitar and Goodra are not the tallest non-Mega Evolved pseudo-legendary Pokémon, Dragonite is according to its height, could someone change it now? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 04:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
:Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

== Miss a trainer ==

Colress had a Metagross in his final match in Plasma Frigate --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 21:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

== salamence ==

salamence is used by iris during rematches--[[User:Just a simple edit|Just a simple edit]] ([[User talk:Just a simple edit|talk]]) 20:13, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

== Minor fix - Bad wikilink on Garchomp ==

Should instead link to the subheading which Garchomp is under; http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences#Generation_IV_Pok.C3.A9mon instead of just a link to the page.{{unsigned|Pokepro97}}

==Edit request==
In Metagross's section under individual characteristics, it says that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokemon to not be used by Lance, but this isn't the case since Goodra has been introduced (as far as I know). Could someone remove or edit that line? [[User:Slimey01|'''slimey''']][[User talk:Slimey01|'''01''']] 18:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

== Base Stat Averages ==

As far as I'm concerned, the current base stat averages for this page are outdated. They do not take Goodra's stats into account, only averaging the Base stats of all pseudo-legendaries up to Hydreigon. From my calculations, the Base Stats averages (with Goodra's base stats into account) currently are an average HP stat of 93.71, an average Attack of 127.57, an average Defense of 95.71, an average Special Attack of 102.14, an average Special Defense of 99.29, and an average Speed of 84.43. If someone could update the Base Stat averages with these that would be neat. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|AmourShipper]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 03:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

== "A weaknesses"...? ==

In the Metagross subsection, one of the sentences says: "Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have a weaknesses(Note the "es" at the end of "Weakness") to Fairy-type moves."

"a weaknesses" sounds incorrect, and it must be "a weakness". Thanks! --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

== Hydreigon ==

Hydreigon is confirmed to have a double weakness to Fairy, unlike other psuedo-legendaries(Please note the Metagross is not weak to Fairy). --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

== Base Stat Comparison ==

Perhaps we could have a chart showing a comparison of their base stats like the Legendary pages and others have? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
:Guess no? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
::I think it's a decent idea, although it would require the creation of a new template. Currently we have {{template|fivepokemonstats}} and {{template|Groupstats/8}}, but nothing for 7. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 19:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Well, it'll be easy to make. 8 started as 7 and was moved and modified for 8 with Sylveon's release. I'll grab the coding from a previous revision and take care of it now. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Well, my memory is crap, not how it went at all. Still, looks like we did have [[Template:Groupstats/7]] at one time. Can we restore that? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh, didn't even realize it used to be a thing. I should have, since I was involved in it, but oh well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

== Goodra ==

Following the evolution of Ash's Sliggoo, the anime section is going to need updating. I'd do it myself but the page is protected. -'''''[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost... [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]''''' 18:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
:[[File:132Ditto.png|50px]] --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
::Done. If you have any suggestions on better wording, let me know.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Not to be nitpicky, but I think the sentence at the beginning of the anime section also needs to have the part about Goodra removed from it. [[User:Aggron989|''AGG'']][[User talk:Aggron989|''RON'']][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|''989'']] 03:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

== Rotating pictures for "In the anime" section ==

[[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Iris Dragonite|1=Dirk Tyranitar|2=Salamence anime|3=Rebecca Metagross|4=Cynthia Garchomp|5=Cameron Hydreigon|6=Ash Goodra|}}.png|thumb|right|200px|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Dragonite|1=Tyranitar|2=Salamence|3=Metagross|4=Garchomp|5=Hydreidon|6=Goodra|}} in the anime]] Can someone update the picture in the anime section so it would rotate between all of the Psudo-legendary Pokémon instead of only showing one of them, like so?
--[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
:Rotating images are bad. Readers have no idea that the image rotates. Either stick them all in a gallery, or just pick one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:53, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

== Stats ==

The base stat averages don't take into account Goodra's stats. The stat averages should be updated to: 
HP: 93.71 
Attack: 124.71 
Defense: 95.71 
Sp. Atk: 102.14 
Sp. Def: 99.29 
Speed: 84.43 
[[User:Lillihaxo|Lillihaxo]] ([[User talk:Lillihaxo|talk]]) 08:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

== Kalos Dex ==

The Metagross line is the only one not in the Kalos Dex. [[User:SirOni|SirOni]] ([[User talk:SirOni|talk]]) 23:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)SirOni

== Edit request for definition of "pseudo-legendary" ==

"'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage [[evolution]] line, [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]], and a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means "false". Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.

Other variations of the definition omit the need to have 1,250,000 experience at level 100."

should become

"'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any [[Pokémon (species)|Pokémon]] that is not in the [[Undiscovered (Egg Group)|Undiscovered Egg Group]] and has a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. Currently, all pseudo-legendary Pokémon have exactly two [[evolution|pre-evolutions]] which can only evolve by leveling up past a certain [[level]] and [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]]. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means "false". Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats."

The BST of 600 matters because anything less would make it less "legendary". Legendary Pokemon are set apart by their lack of evolutionary relatives, inability to breed, and high stats. As long as a Pokemon meets the latter requirement and not the former two, wouldn't it make sense for it to be a pseudo-legendary Pokemon?

[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
:It's fine as it is.
:No, it's not okay for it to only have "high stats". Psuedo-legendaries were ''originally'' (strong) Pokemon who came between ''legitimate'' Legendary Pokemon in the Pokedex but were not Legendaries themselves. The definition of "psuedo-legendary" is molded to conform to the strong pattern that those Pokemon showed: three stages, BST 600, slow experience.
:If you want a broader definition, you need a ''different'' term. You simply can't just ignore "pseudo-legendary"'s history/baggage and change it completely. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
::So if they introduced a Pokemon that met my definition but not the one on the article, people wouldn't consider it pseudo-legendary, even if it just had a fluctuating growth rate instead of a slow one? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:48, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
:::It's not impossible that some day we could change our minds in some way. For now, there's no apparent reason for us to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
::::The definition was changed several times (removed the end-of-Pokedex requirement to include Garchomp, removed the dual type requirement to include Goodra), so if a Pokemon like the one I suggested were really introduced, wouldn't it be very likely that the definition will change again? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::We'll just have to wait and see. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::So does that mean I can't edit the article until such a Pokemon (or several such Pokemon) is introduced? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That would be correct, because the current definition of pseudo-legendary has no reason to change right now. You are trying to change something to match your view, when the majority of the Pokémon fanbase would still be using the current definition. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 14:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

== Manga section ==

A manga section for the pseudo-legendaries is missing. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 20:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
:On another note, the Dragonite from the Pokémon Origins anime could go here too as a pseudo-legendary has appeared in that medium. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 20:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

== Individual Characteristics: Others==

I like how it says that Tyranitar and Hydreigon are the only two pseudo legendaries with a unique type combination. Another thing to add to that is that they are both Dark-types.
[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

== Trivia fact ==

Here is an interesting fact to add.
'''All of the pseudo-legendary Pokemon appear towards the end of the regional Pokedexs.'''
[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 14:49, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:False. Neither Garchomp nor Goodra do. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

My bad.[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:28, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

== Please add this useless bit of trivia. ==

* All pseudo-legendary Pokémon introduced in a [[generation]] divisible by three (and only these pseudo-legendary Pokémon) cannot learn {{m|Surf}}.

[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 20:48, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:This is way too specific and not notable in the slightest. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 20:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Can we add "only pseudo-legend that requires a special condition to evolve", for Goodra?
([[User:Shadoguardian|Shadoguardian]] ([[User talk:Shadoguardian|talk]]) 15:47, 4 June 2016 (UTC))
:I don't think it's very notable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:38, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

::But I thought trivia was supposed to be trivial. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:03, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Trivia is for facts that don't fit easily elsewhere on the page but are important or significant to an understanding of the page's subject. Trivia sections should never have items that you feel are "useless" (as in the title of this section) or whose value amounts to "So what?" [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:30, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
::::But most trivia I've seen does amount to "So what?" If you feel that it's wrong, why haven't you deleted them? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 22:22, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
:::::If you're only doing this to parody most trivia which you already see as useless, please stop. Period.
:::::If you have an issue with trivia in general, bring it up somewhere like the [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub|Editor's Hub]]. If you have an issue with any specific trivia currently on some page, feel free to discuss those trivia on those pages. But ''do not'' manufacture something you don't really support just to make a "point".
:::::Thank you. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:54, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
::::::Sorry for making you think I'm just parodying others' trivia. I'm trying to say that my suggestion isn't any less useful than most of the stuff I've seen. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:41, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean you can add something non-notable; it just means some bad trivia points have gotten in without anybody noticing, and they should be removed. See {{wp|Wikipedia:Other stuff exists}}. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:59, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Can somebody give me an example of trivia that's actually useful? I'm confused here. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Useful hardly even comes into the picture for what you proposed. Your trivia simply has too many very specific and arbitrary conditions. There's no notable pattern, no meaningful connection in what you've "discovered"; it's just called coincidence, and that's not at all notable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:32, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Okay then, what is notable? I'm still confused. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::The simplest category of notable trivia is generally "most" or "least" trivia. (Not ''all'' such that may be imagined may be notable.) This is things like ''Generation III is the only generation so far to have introduced more than one pseudo-legendary Pokémon.'' or '' Blissey has the highest base HP of all Pokémon''. Keeping such trivia simple is also heavily preferred; if a condition like "in Generation [X]" or "of these types of Pokemon" is added, it may not be notable (moreso if you try to add multiple conditions). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

== Individual Characteristics: Others ==

In "Others," I like how it says that Tyranitar and Hydriegon are the only psuedo-legendaries to have a unique type combination. Can you add to that fact that both Pokemon are also part Dark-type?[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 14:52, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== Fairy Type Weakness ==

I'm bringing this up again. Just because Metagross is not weak to fairy, it is not notable anymore?

It could be worded like 'Metagross is the only Pseudo-Legendary that is not weak to Fairy' or something. [[User:PkmnTrainerV|The legendary PkmnTrainerV is Here!]] ([[User talk:PkmnTrainerV|talk]]) 11:42, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
:No. This is too small of a group to be making exceptions. It's just not notable. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 11:52, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
::I rechecked the metagross part of the article, and it is indeed listed. I'm sorry for not reading carefully... [[User:PkmnTrainerV|The legendary PkmnTrainerV is Here!]] ([[User talk:PkmnTrainerV|talk]]) 12:03, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

== Ownership of new pseudos ==

Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp & Salamence have appeared under the ownership of Alain, Sycamore and Sawyer respectively in the anime, can somebody add it [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 18:09, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

== Kommo-o ==

I know that at this time there is not sufficient evidence to suggest that Kommo-o will be a Pseudo-Legendary, but will it be added if, when the games are released, it has a stat total of 600? [[User:ZiggyAngelo8|ZiggyAngelo8]] ([[User talk:ZiggyAngelo8|talk]]) 18:31, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Pseudo-legendary Pokémon/Archive 1

2016-10-31T18:31:23Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Kommo-o */ new section

Talk:Dartrix (Pokémon)

2016-10-30T07:44:40Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Dartix's bowtie */ new section

Dartrix is extremely sensitive to other presences in the area and can detect opponents behind it and throw feathers to strike them without even seeing them. This Pokémon conceals sharp-bladed feathers inside its wings, showing astounding precision as it sends them flying in attack. And it goes beyond propelling its blade quills in simple straight lines—it can even bend these feathers to change their trajectories!

Revealing a certain snobbiness in its personality, Dartrix cares a great deal about its appearance, grooming its feathers in every spare moment. In truth, it’s also a bit of a birdbrain, with a tendency to bungle things up. Once it makes a mistake, it sometimes gets into a desperate struggle to gloss over the situation and ends up making a bigger mess than ever.

At times, this Pokémon feels so bothered by its dirty or ruffled feathers that it can’t focus on battle. When it loses its focus, it sometimes even retires from the battle on the spot! It’s up to each Trainer to help Dartrix overcome this troublesome stage. If this Pokémon is with a Trainer who helps it through, its strength will grow hugely!

[[User:Lawrence Calablaster|Lawrence Calablaster]] ([[User talk:Lawrence Calablaster|talk]]) 14:26, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks, but we can seen exactly what it says on the site for ourselves. Information like this should be put in the editor's own words and then cited before being added (see other Gen VII Pokemon for reference). In proper writing, we'd have to put all of that in quotations and state in the text where it was from if we were to copy it word for word like that. That goes against the general style of the wiki. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 15:02, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== Russian name ==

The Russian name is Дартрикс so if someone could add that that would be great c: --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 15:26, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== Name origin - German ==

I'd say the name is composed of ''arbor'' (Latin for tree) and the English word ''toss''. At least I can't think of anything else. {{unsigned|HQna}}
:I'ld say that it is likely also derived from "Albatross", a type of large bird. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 03:35, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

== Name origin - French ==

In "Efflèche", the "eff" part likely comes from "(chouette) effraie" (barn owl) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chouette_effraie {{unsigned|Azalee}}
Seconding this. --[[User:Unbirth|Unbirth]] ([[User talk:Unbirth|talk]]) 20:21, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== Name Origin - Japanese ==

フクスロー (Fukusurō) likely derives from 梟 (fukurō) and スロー (surō), which is the English word "throw". --[[User:Sam1729|Sam1729]] ([[User talk:Sam1729|talk]]) 20:06, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== Design elements ==

It might be worth noting to whoever is writing the physical appearance section that the brown area resembles both a Waistcoat and a Coconut, while the orange quills within the green feathers resemble seeds protruding from a seed pod/ petals emerging from a bud. {{unsigned|ZiggyAngelo8}}

== Biology ==

"Dartrix is an avian Pokémon resembling an owl. The upper portion of its body is dark brown, while its wings, {{wp|facial disc}}, and the rest of its feathers are white. There are two tan spots on the upperside of each wing, and it conceals sharp-bladed feathers inside the leafy plumage on the underside. Its heart-shaped face has a stubby, hooked beak that is white on top and orange-brown on the lower mandible. Although it is often seen squinting, its eyes are large with black pupils. Two green leaves sprout from its chest, arranged in a bow tie shape, and two larger leaves make up its tail. Dartrix also has leaves growing from above its eyes, with one hanging loosely reminiscent of a {{wp|quiff}} hairstyle. Its talons are orange-brown with two toes facing forward and one pointed back.

This Pokémon is very alert and sensitive to the presence of others around it. It can launch attacks on enemies behind it without even seeing them. Dartrix stores razor-sharp blade quills inside its wings, and it can propel them with astounding precision. It can even bend these feathers to alter the trajectory of its strikes. Dartrix also spends a great deal of time grooming its feathers to maintain its appearance. This compulsion will occasionally lead to it losing focus when its plumage is ruffled or dirty, even retiring from battle to preen. It is also described as a bit of a birdbrain, with a tendency to bungle things up. It sometimes gets into a desperate struggle to gloss over its mistakes and ends up making the situation even messier. A trainer who helps this Pokémon through this difficult stage will allow it to reach its full strength. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 03:52, 5 October 2016 (UTC)"
:Other than the "quiff" part (I feel like it's closer to an {{wp|asymmetric cut}}) I really like this! --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 00:34, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

== Dartix's bowtie ==

In light of the fact that Decidueye has been revealed, I noticed that there is a progression through the bowties worn throughout Rowlets evolution: lively, wilting, dead. Should this be added into the biology of Dartrix and Decidueye?

Talk:Tapu Lele (Pokémon)

2016-10-27T19:07:45Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Squid basis */ new section

==Wow, another two-word-named Pokémon...==
And one of ''four'' Pokémon to have "Tapu" in its name. This should be added in the trivia. - '''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]''''' 15:21, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:If something is not unique it is ''not'' suitable as trivia. ''Especially'' when these four Pokemon are very explicitly related; it's really not surprising if they have similar names. They've kind of always done this, in fact, the clearest example being the '''Regi'''s. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:17, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

==Name==
The Lele in this one's name can also mean to fly (Mokulele) or jump (Lele).—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 18:09, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:Those are much less relevant to Tapu Lele by comparison. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:21, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:: Fair enough. I just felt like mentioning it just in case.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 19:01, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

== Squid basis ==

Is it possible parts of Tapu Lele's design could be based off of a squid? It has tentacle like hair under a cone shaped hat, as well as having two longer hair strands like a squids longer tentacles.

Talk:Exeggutor (Pokémon)

2016-10-04T19:52:14Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Dragon Hammer */

{{Rotating art}}
== Then what happens to the trunk? ==

"{{p|Exeggutor}} originally came from the tropics. Its heads steadily grow larger from exposure to strong sunlight. It is said that when the heads fall off, they group together to form {{p|Exeggcute}}."

...so what does the trunk become if all the heads fall off? I wonder, could it survive without the heads? This is technically a form of devolving like if a [[Shellder]] detahces from a [[Slowpoke]].--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 22:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== Heads ==

Exactly how many heads does it Exeggutor have? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 11:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I've count sometimes 7 but mostly 6 and once in the manga one had 5 and some had 4.
sooo...
either 7,6,5,or 4 sometimes
(I'm sorry if I confuse)
[[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario]] 12:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

==Faves?==
Should it be noted that one of the creators has named this his fave Pokemon (granted, it was before Generation II)? -- [[User:Bug Catcher Jam|Chris]] 05:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
:Um, do you have any proof??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 11:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::I wish I could find it. It was listed as part of an interview in Nintendo Power long ago. He stated that his Exeggutor was his favorite and was at level 84. I'll poke around some more. -- [[User:Bug Catcher Jam|Chris]] 22:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know how long it's been a part of the article, but apparently someone has already figured out that it was [[Tsunekaz Ishihara]] I was speaking of. Would the exact quote from the Nintendo Power issues I was speaking of be a useful addition to the article? -- [[User:Bug Catcher Jam|Bug Catcher Jam]] ([[User talk:Bug Catcher Jam|talk]]) 07:56, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
::::Generally a steadfast rule is don't reply to comments over six months old, post the quote here though, or a scan would be even better. We'll make a decision then. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 04:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

== Head facing player ==

Should it be noted that, up until Gen. 4, Exeggutor, like Mawile, is; in a sense; facing the player? {{unsigned|ShinyPikachu}}

== Barrage ==

I'm pretty sure Chancey can use Barrage, also any Pokemon that uses Metronome can use it.[[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
:Chansey has Egg bomb.Not barrage[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
::Said this on Exeggcute. Wasn't Barrage a TM from RBY? I can't remember correctly but I think it was in Safari Zone. [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]] 00:02 Dec. 22, 2008
:::Nope. See [[Barrage|here]]. I highly doubt we've got it wrong. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

==Trivia about Melvin's Exeggutor==

The trivia section claims this:
:"While Melvin's Exeggutor waves goodbye to Ash and his friends at the end of The March of the Exeggutor Squad, additional heads can be seen in the back; this has, to date, appeared in no other media"

This is obviously bull, as ALL the Exeggutor throughout the episode are depicted as having additional heads, this is also the case for the Exeggutor in the episodes Round One Begin! & very briefly in Misty Meets Her Match. The back sprites for Gen I - III also show a fourth head.

Someone really needs to remove this from the trivia section, I would do it if this wasnt my first ever post... {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}

== name origin ==

I always thought it was supposed to be a play on "eggs are cuter". Exeggutor never seemed like a guy who would be an executor to me... [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 17:22, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
:The pronunciation of Exeggutor - from the Official Pokémon Handbook Eggs-EGG-You-Tor - is very similar to executor, as opposed to "eggs are cuter". Also, executor does not just mean someone who carries out a death sentence, it means someone who carries out any action, like an executor of a will. Exeggcute may come from play on words of "Eggs are cute", and as an evolved form, the name has been expanded to sound similar, and to have another play on words. [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 15:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
::"Eggs are cute"/"eggs are cuter" are not famous/common/well-known phrases. Why would they be named after a random string of words? (Not to mention that they are literally "execute" and "executor" with the word "egg" added in the middle, while you'd have to do some enormous stylistic misspelling to transform those phrases into the Pokemon names.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

==Japanese Jungle (TCG) booster box and the Alola Form==

In the trivia it says "The artwork for the Japanese Jungle (TCG) booster box depicts Exeggutor with an elongated body and no visible legs." In Tirtouga's Trivia section it says "Tirtouga has a striking resemblance to an unreleased Pokémon which was originally planned to be released in Generation II." Like in Tirtouga's trivia section could it be mentioned that Exeggutor's Alola Form has striking resemblance to the Exeggutor in the Japanese Jungle (TCG) booster box? [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 15:15, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

==Suggesting addition to trivia==

The trivia section needs to mention this about the Alolan variation of Exeggutor:

* The Alolan [[regional variant]] of Exeggutor is the tallest {{type|Grass}} Pokémon as well as the tallest {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon. It is also the heaviest Grass-type Pokémon.

[[User:N. Onymous|N. Onymous]] ([[User talk:N. Onymous|talk]]) 08:19, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
:Trivia like this will not be added until all new Pokemon and forms are released. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 09:12, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

== Can't edit the page atm? ==

So, I kinda found out some interesting things about its origin and wanted to add it in but it seems we can't right now huh. Guess you're waiting till they finish releasing everything.

I wanted to explain why the tree chosen was a coconut palm tree and that's because the word "coco", given to the fruit by the Portuguese and Spanish, was a childish term to "grinning face" and "head". Those terms were based on a monster from their folklore, something like the Jack o' Lantern/Bogeyman. And the Dragon type on the Alolan Form is probably a reference to the "Coca", a dragon that fights Saint George and seems to be related to the "Coco" (the monster previously cited). The Alolan Form might as well be a reference to the Dracaena, a genus that has some domestic "palms".
Oh, and original one is clearly also based on a Hura crepitans since it learns so many 'explosive' moves like Egg Bomb, Explosion and Barrage.

So, that's it. I'd like to hear what you guys think 'bout it and I wonder if you could add it since it seems like we can't right now.

[[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 12:41, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

== Dragon Hammer ==

Serebii has revealed that Alolan Exeggutor has a new move called Dragon Hammer, how can this be added onto the page? [[User:ZiggyAngelo8|ZiggyAngelo8]] ([[User talk:ZiggyAngelo8|talk]]) 19:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
:Unless it's a signature move, it has no need to be added to this page, at this time. We really try to avoid listing moves/creating pages with next to no information. Also, just so you know, as a fansite Serebii is not considered a valid source of information. Information should only be taken from official sources. And don't forget to sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 20:04, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I thought Serebii was considered the most reliable Pokémon news source? Never mind, I won't mention it in future. [[User:ZiggyAngelo8|ZiggyAngelo8]] ([[User talk:ZiggyAngelo8|talk]]) 19:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Vulpix (Pokémon)

2016-10-04T19:48:07Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Alola Version */

{{Rotating art}}

==Wait a minute...==
If Vulpix are supposed to be born with only one tail, then how come the one that hatched from the egg in the episode when they leave the pokémon egg farm after saving it from Team Rocket had the standard six tales? Another thing, according to some pokédex entries Vulpix are supposed to get more tales as they grow older. If this is true, How come all the Vulpix you meet in games only have six tails? [[User:Dolphin2|Dolphins_are_awesome!]] 02:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:Because Pokémon forgets its own stuff too often? Why is there a baby Khangaskhan in the pouch from the time they hatch in the games? What about the Beldum and Metang combining to evolve? Cubone's mother dieing? It just gives the Pokémon some interesting stuff. Not quite cannon, because they're to lazy (Possibly) but it is fun. [/rant] [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 02:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

==Something interesting to note==
Am I the only one who's noticed? Up until Generation V, the location where Vulpix have been found has always been near a location associated with dead Pokémon; Route 8 in Kanto is near Lavender Town, where Pokémon Tower can be found; Routes 36 and 37 in Johto are near Ecruteak City, home of the Burned Tower; Mt Pyre is, itself, the Pokémon burial ground in Hoenn; and Sinnoh's Route 209 is the location of the Lost Tower. [[User:RuBoo|RuBoo]], THE [[User talk:RuBoo|DESPISED]] 00:22, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
:Pokemon Mansion and Route 48 don't appear to be graveyards. Unless you want to count the fact the Mewtwo may have killed a few professors during the incident at the mansion. But other than that, I don't particularly find it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
::The fact this "trend" was broken in Gen V is also reason not to note it. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 07:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
:::...Eh. Just something I find interesting, myself. [[User:RuBoo|RuBoo]], THE [[User talk:RuBoo|DESPISED]] 16:47, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== Generation VI Learnset ==

Hey, I just want you all to know that I'm working on putting together Vulpix's learnset for Generation VI. I've already got the TM List and I'll get the level-up moves when I can. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 21:08, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Generation VI Egg Moves ==

Vulpix appears to have Extrasensory as an egg move. --[[User:Ragamander|Ragamander]] ([[User talk:Ragamander|talk]]) 05:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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== Alola Version ==

How exactly is this going to be handled? [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 22:11, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

How is what going to be handled?
[[User:Blackoutdmc|Blackoutdmc]] ([[User talk:Blackoutdmc|talk]]) 01:26, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

He means how the evolution method will be for an Alolan Vulpix to an Alolan Ninetails, since a Fire Stone doesn't seem to be the likely option to evolve it.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]02:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

The most likely answer at this point is the "Ice Stone" revealed in the Spanish Trailer which revealed the Starter evolutions. [[User:ZiggyAngelo8|ZiggyAngelo8]] ([[User talk:ZiggyAngelo8|talk]]) 19:48, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

Surprised not to see it here, but I'd always taken it as a given that Vulpix's name is also derived from Vulcan, the Roman god of fire and the origin of the word volcano. [[User:Sids1188|Sids1188]] ([[User talk:Sids1188|talk]]) 08:22, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Vulpix (Pokémon)

2016-10-04T19:47:17Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Alola Version */

{{Rotating art}}

==Wait a minute...==
If Vulpix are supposed to be born with only one tail, then how come the one that hatched from the egg in the episode when they leave the pokémon egg farm after saving it from Team Rocket had the standard six tales? Another thing, according to some pokédex entries Vulpix are supposed to get more tales as they grow older. If this is true, How come all the Vulpix you meet in games only have six tails? [[User:Dolphin2|Dolphins_are_awesome!]] 02:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:Because Pokémon forgets its own stuff too often? Why is there a baby Khangaskhan in the pouch from the time they hatch in the games? What about the Beldum and Metang combining to evolve? Cubone's mother dieing? It just gives the Pokémon some interesting stuff. Not quite cannon, because they're to lazy (Possibly) but it is fun. [/rant] [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 02:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

==Something interesting to note==
Am I the only one who's noticed? Up until Generation V, the location where Vulpix have been found has always been near a location associated with dead Pokémon; Route 8 in Kanto is near Lavender Town, where Pokémon Tower can be found; Routes 36 and 37 in Johto are near Ecruteak City, home of the Burned Tower; Mt Pyre is, itself, the Pokémon burial ground in Hoenn; and Sinnoh's Route 209 is the location of the Lost Tower. [[User:RuBoo|RuBoo]], THE [[User talk:RuBoo|DESPISED]] 00:22, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
:Pokemon Mansion and Route 48 don't appear to be graveyards. Unless you want to count the fact the Mewtwo may have killed a few professors during the incident at the mansion. But other than that, I don't particularly find it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
::The fact this "trend" was broken in Gen V is also reason not to note it. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 07:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
:::...Eh. Just something I find interesting, myself. [[User:RuBoo|RuBoo]], THE [[User talk:RuBoo|DESPISED]] 16:47, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== Generation VI Learnset ==

Hey, I just want you all to know that I'm working on putting together Vulpix's learnset for Generation VI. I've already got the TM List and I'll get the level-up moves when I can. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 21:08, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Generation VI Egg Moves ==

Vulpix appears to have Extrasensory as an egg move. --[[User:Ragamander|Ragamander]] ([[User talk:Ragamander|talk]]) 05:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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== Alola Version ==

How exactly is this going to be handled? [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 22:11, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

How is what going to be handled?
[[User:Blackoutdmc|Blackoutdmc]] ([[User talk:Blackoutdmc|talk]]) 01:26, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

He means how the evolution method will be for an Alolan Vulpix to an Alolan Ninetails, since a Fire Stone doesn't seem to be the likely option to evolve it.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]02:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

The most likely answer at this point is the "Ice Stone" revealed in the Spanish Trailer which revealed the Starter evolutions.

== Name Origin ==

Surprised not to see it here, but I'd always taken it as a given that Vulpix's name is also derived from Vulcan, the Roman god of fire and the origin of the word volcano. [[User:Sids1188|Sids1188]] ([[User talk:Sids1188|talk]]) 08:22, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Dartrix (Pokémon)

2016-10-04T19:42:07Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Design elements */ new section

Talk:Exeggutor (Pokémon)

2016-10-01T19:58:10Z

ZiggyAngelo8: /* Dragon Hammer */ new section