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Talk:List of in-game event Pokémon in Pokémon X and Y

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ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* lv. 100 required for Reshiram/Zekrom */ new section

==Help editing==
I can't figure out how to add that the lucario will always have a hasty nature and a speed IV of 31 [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:49, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
:Added the IVs onto it. The Lapras also have set IVs since both it and Lucario are gifted Pokemons in the game. Not sure where to put it (since it isn't listed out like the ones in [[List of in-game trades#X and Y]]) so I just put it at the end of the summary. If anyone needs prove, then I can certainly upload photos of the IVs. I use the Save Editor, but I believe that the people would trust an admin more than me so I am not sure if they would revert the change unless a staff checks it themselves. [[User:Samhiuy|Samhiuy]] ([[User talk:Samhiuy|talk]]) 13:10, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

== Post-game ==

People been saying that you can battle non-Hoenn legendaries as soon as you get the National Pokédex - which unlike other games, happens ''before'' Elite Four (heck, you can do it before you get your final Gym Badge). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 09:09, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

== lv. 100 required for Reshiram/Zekrom ==

the statement will appear ''if'' player has a level 100 pokémon in their party is simply untrue. I just today found, landed at and then caught a Reshiram in OmegaRuby, and the highest levelled pokémon I had in my party was the event Metagross at 97 lv. However, I *have* beat the elite 4, ''and'' completed the delta episode. --[[User:ZaphodBeeblebrox|ZaphodBeeblebrox]] ([[User talk:ZaphodBeeblebrox|talk]]) 17:50, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Sylveon (Pokémon)

2015-08-05T22:18:17Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* about abilities... */

==cross-generational evolution==
Should this be added to the [[List of Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions]]? --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 02:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

Are there any reasonable explanations for the origin of its name? I've seen "Nymph" and "Ninja" floating around, but maybe someone who knows more about Japanese could take a closer look at its name (especially with the other Eeveelutions' names being very straightforward). --[[User:Perlgia|Perlgia]] ([[User talk:Perlgia|talk]]) 08:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:It's better to not add the name origin before we have more info, but I think "Nymph" is the most likely origin since it's very similar to its Japanese name: ニンフ and ニンフィア. If it came from "Ninja", they would make it more obvious.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 08:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

It's a bit weird that we have VaporEON, JoltEON, FlarEON,and so on, and now we have NinFIA. They'll probably change it to Ninfeon. Just my opinion. --[[User:VictiniLopunny7|VictiniLopunny7]] ([[User talk:VictiniLopunny7|talk]]) 13:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:Ninfia is the Japanese name, the English name has been released yet.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
::My guess is that its English is going to be something like "Nympheon". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:51, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:::Guessing is for the forum where this discussion belongs. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 13:52, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
::::But Ninfia could also be from Nimbus cloud, which in Japanese is ニンブース (Ninbuusu). So it really could be anything right now, so until it's type is revealed we can't say. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 16:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:::::Except it's not. In fact, [http://www.google.com/search?q=%E3%83%8B%E3%83%B3%E3%83%96%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&nfpr=1 the only result on google] for ニンブース (Ninbuusu) is a comment trying to resolve this Pokémon's name. The usual spelling of the English 'nimbus' in Japanese is ニンバス (Ninbasu). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] ([[User talk:Bluesun|talk]]) 21:01, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

"Sylveon" is probably based on the air elemental "Sylph", so "Nymph" would make even more sense as the name origin of Ninfia. --[[User:Perlgia|Perlgia]] ([[User talk:Perlgia|talk]]) 13:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

:To also add to that, its French name is Nymphali, so I guess 'nymph' as the name origin for its Japanese name seems that more likely. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] ([[User talk:Rai Marshall|talk]]) 21:38, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::"Sylveon" could just as easily be a reference to Sylvan, which relates to the woods more than to air, also both "Sylph" and "Nymph" are female-only mythological spirits, which ties with the asthetic similar to the female-dominant fairy-group pokemon. [[User:OneInTwenty|OneInTwenty]] ([[User talk:OneInTwenty|talk]]) 22:54, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
:::A Sylph is a mythical creature that is said to inhabit the air. A dictionary (and many RPGs) told me so. Nymph is only a generalized name for a sylph, salamander, gnome, or undine. --[[User:Kektklik|Kektklik]] ([[User talk:Kektklik|talk]]) 02:03, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
::::The German name begins with "Fee", which is German for "fairy". [[User:Briguychau|Briguychau]] ([[User talk:Briguychau|talk]]) 05:45, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
The French name contains "nymph" and the English name contains "Syl". The "Syl" could be referring to the Greek mythological nymph "Syllis" who was a lover of the Greek mythological god "Apollo"-The Greek god of light or the sun. This may connect with the rumored new "light" type. It being the lightest eeveelution yet may also be a hint to that. "Syl" could also represent mythological Sylphs(sky fairies), which could be hinting towards Sylveon being flying(or at least part flying) type. Another indication of this is (according to the Wikipedia article on Sylphs)the article states that they ride the "wind", hence the ribbons appearing as being blown by wind. It also states that sylphs are said to be slender and graceful and having large glistening eyes. All of these examples are reflected in Ninfia/Sylveon's design. It also doesn't really follow the traditional design style of any current types. A bit off topic here but Xerneas is kind of the same in the sense of looking like the current types and the rainbow-esque style of it's "antlers". Rainbows strongly relate to light and it goes on... But getting into new types and Xerneas is pointless as this is the Sylveon discussion page. [[User:Vexino|Vexino]] ([[User talk:Vexino|talk]]) 03:03, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Sylveon must be a Flying-type. A sylph is a mythological creature in the Western tradition. The term was created by Paracelsus, who described sylphs as elementals of the air. Who knows, maybe it can fly with its ribbons. To add to my theory, Sylveon is also the lightest Eeveelution. -MasterZ 21:04, 21 February 2013 (EST)

The word Sylph is very specifically an air-elemental, flying spirit— coined by Paracelsus. Until the mid-1800's, the word in any English dictionary would include the phrase "light, airy movements;" at which point the definition of "slender, graceful girl" appeared, derived from those airy qualities. Etymology in most dictionaries only go as far back as its Modern Latin coinage; however, some suggest a possible (i.e. hypothetical) relation to an earlier Latin root meaning "of the woods." But! Firstly, We already have Leafeon; & Secondly, The hypothetical earlier Latin root "of the woods" does not, unlike its first recorded usage, specify anything elemental whatsoever. The creek is of the woods… So, unless there's to be a new Type introduced, it's safe to assume that Sylveon will be a Flying type Pokémon. [[User:Pic620|Pic620]] ([[User talk:Pic620|talk]]) 03:44, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== English name is Sylveon ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pse_I1klRhA

From the official Pokémon channel.--'''[[User:Radio Rebel|♪ Radio Rebel ♪]]''' - ''[[User talk:Radio Rebel|Reject the status quo!]]'' 13:08, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== German Name Origin ==

I’d say the German name is a mix of ‘Fee’ (fairy) and Felinae (felinae), ending in -ara just as Nachtara (Umbreon) and Flamara (Flareon). Any other ideas about that? Should we add the Fee/felinae part to the German name explanation? [[User:Peterpansexuell|Peterpansexuell]] ([[User talk:Peterpansexuell|talk]]) 14:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
:Please discuss this on the forums, as it would be best to speculate there. Its name could come from a lot of things, it is hard to say for sure until we know more information. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 14:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::By now it's pretty obvious that in every language its name is based on a feminine mythological creature: Nymph (Japanese and French), Sylph (English) and "Fee" (German for "fairy"). The "felinae" part is debatable, but the mythological pattern is there. --[[User:Perlgia|Perlgia]] ([[User talk:Perlgia|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== Sylveon Video Moves ==

I'm sure in the video featuring Sylveon, it uses moves similiar to both Swift and Trump Card, could this be added?[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 17:35, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

:I think we should wait until all of the moves that Sylveon can learn are revealed. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 19:14, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::We will not be adding any information into the articles unless it has been confirmed by an official source. Adding the moves because they look like "Swift" would be speculation. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== Reddish fur? ==

Unless I am color blind, I think that "reddish fur" it has would more be a light/hot pink, ''not'' "reddish". —[[User:Clubchloe1|'''Club''']][[User talk:Clubchloe1|'''chloe1''']] 19:36, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
: Well, it was a guess as to the color of the fur from the image in the scan. I would agree to changing the color described. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:21, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

== Miscelaneous details ==

Tied with Vaporeon, Umbreon, and Leafeon for tallest eeveelution. [[User:OneInTwenty|OneInTwenty]] ([[User talk:OneInTwenty|talk]]) 22:54, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
:The fact that it is joint first with three other Eeveelutions is unnotable. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 23:07, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Sylveon is the lightest Eeveelution, implying that it could be a Flying-type. -MasterZ 21:08, 21 February 2013 (EST)

== First Gen VI Pokémon to make an anime debut? ==

I think this might be too early to post, but since Sylveon is confirmed to appear in the upcoming [[Pikachu short]] ''[[PK25]]'', does that make Sylveon the first Generation VI Pokémon to debut in the anime? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 00:41, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
:PK25 doesn't air until July 13, and the anime still has a few months left. They could throw something in between now and then, so I say we wait. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

== Sylveon Evolutionbox ==

I'm pretty sure that Sylveon is an Eeveelution...
Anyways, why not add an Evolution portion? We know that Sylveon evolves from Eevee, so why not add that to the infobox?
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=133
|name1=Eevee
|type1-1=Normal
|evotype1=???
|evostone1=File:000MS.png
|sprite2=000
|name2=Sylveon
|type1-2=???}}
So it would look like that.
.[[User:Garyoak|Garyoak]] ([[User talk:Garyoak|talk]]) 12:18, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
:We should wait until we know HOW it evolves. The page already mentions that it evolves from Eevee, which is enough for now.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 12:24, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
::I don't think not knowing the method should matter. We also mention the Pokémon that any Pokémon evolves from on its page in the same way we do for Sylveon, but include an infobox as well. The template is capable of outputting "Unknown" as a method, so I don't see why not to use it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

== Nymphia ==

Does anyone know where source that the official romanization is "Nymphia" is? I've heard it is official but yet to see the source. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:25, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
:[http://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7103221504/h0D4CC975/ These stickers].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 12:56, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
::Alright, thanks. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:34, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Hehyeyeyey... It totally isn't Nymphia. When you try to find it, they would say it is Ninfia.
About the stickers, might be a typographical error. --[[User:Falcypon|Falcypon]] ([[User talk:Falcypon|talk]]) 08:37, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
:The official romanization is different to the Hepburn romanization. Ninfia is the Hepburn romanization, and while the official one can be the same sometimes, in most cases it is different. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:26, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
: What? [[User:Falcypon|Falcypon]] ([[User talk:Falcypon|talk]]) 13:55, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
::"Ninfia" is just how you pronounce "ニンフィア", but its Japanese name is "Nymphia". Just like how "Mewtwo" and "Lugia" are pronounced "Myūtsū" and "Rugia" in Japanese.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:46, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

== English Name Origin ==

Shouldn't it mention how the name 'Sylveon' ends with ''-eon'', just like all Eeveelutions, as it says this for the French Name Origin?[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 15:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
:In fact, there is no English name origin section at all. Where the English name origin is on other pages, we instead have a duplicate of the Japanese name origin section. Hmm. - ''signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])'' ''18:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC)''
I'm more concerned with the fact it most likely originates from "sylvan", which refers to woods and forests. (Which only adds to the mystery of why it's named such and yet can't be a Grass type....)[[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] ([[User talk:FerreTrip|talk]]) 21:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
:The word "sylvan" can also refer to a spirit or deity of the woods. It's very possible this was the derivative word rather than "sylph," or it could be both. [[User:Silmina|Silmina]] ([[User talk:Silmina|talk]]) 11:02, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Sylveon comes from "sylph" the definitions of which are... 1. A messenger from the air. 2. A slender woman or girl. It is pretty much another word for nymph, like in Ninfia. As a side note, most of it's names have origins that specify females. I think we have a genderlock! =) [[User:Team-Eevee|Team-Eevee]] ([[User talk:Team-Eevee|talk]]) 15:25, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't think having the word "sylph" in it's name instantly means it's a gender-locked evolution, especially since {{p|Eevee}} itself has a gender ratio of 1♀/7♂. Then again, {{p|Combee}} has the same ratio yet has a gender-locked evo. --[[User:Relicant|Relicant]] ([[User talk:Relicant|talk]]) 17:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

:Going by that logic, Slowking and Mr. Mime should be only male. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 18:16, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I took that into account, but there is more evidence supporting a genderlock than just names. Virgil's unevolved Eevee was unneccesarily revealed to be female though the anime almost never specifies genders. In Pikachu & Eevee Friends, it is stressed in the new trailer that Meowth has a huge crush on the Sylveon. So in addition to name and anime hints, we have seen pokemon like Vespiquen, Froslass, and Galade. A female exclusive Eeveelution would be tough to obtain, which GameFreak has been fond of lately. Besides, if it weren't genderlocked, why would nymph AND sylph have been used? If it were a dragon-type, why not Draceon, Scaleon, or Fangeon? If it were a flying-type, why not Windeon, Breezeon, or Cloudeon? If it were a normal-type, why not Eeveeon, Faireon, or Pixeon? Just something to think about. I hope I'm right, but if I'm wrong I'm wrong... as are a lot of gender confused Sylveon XD [[User:Team-Eevee|Team-Eevee]] ([[User talk:Team-Eevee|talk]]) 23:54, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
:Can we please stop speculating on talk pages. They are for the discussion of the article, not the topic of the article. Please take this discussion to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php the forums]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:26, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Could somebody add a section for the English Name Origin? I would but the page is locked. --[[User:Youngster2000|Youngster2000]] ([[User talk:Youngster2000|talk]]) 21:44, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

== What it looks like. ==

Most of Eevee's evolutions are foxes, except Espeon. This one looks like a deer with paws. {{unsigned|Likalaruku}}

Sylveon looks like it's made up of a lot of other Pokemon parts. It has Victini eyes, Miccino ears, Deerling tail, Milotic ribbons, Gothita bows, and Glaceon/Leafeon feet. [[User:Glitchynidoqueen|Glitchynidoqueen]] ([[User talk:Glitchynidoqueen|talk]]) 22:33, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== german name ==

|de=Feelinara|demeaning=From ''{{tt|Fee|fairy}}''. Ends with ''-a'' like every [[Eeveelution]] in German. --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 17:01, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

hello pls edit the german name --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 05:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
* I think it might also refer to Sylveon's feelers. They are referred to as feelers in the press release. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 21:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Small problem ==

Just thought I'd mention this: it's said in the physiology section that "it's eye are blue with no visible sclera". That should be changed to "no visible iris"; the sclera is the blue bit [[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] ([[User talk:Green Zubat|talk]]) 21:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry, but there's now a small typo. Not sure if you want to fix it, by it says "... and no visible irides." If it would be possible to change it to irises, that'd probably help.{{unsigned|Sioli}}
:::Actually, "irides" is a plural form of iris, so it's just another way to say "irises". '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:54, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
::::I don't want to be rude but, the Iris is actually the colour bit in the eye while the sclera is the whit bit around it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_(anatomy)] [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 00:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Moves, perhaps? ==

Hey, just a quick question. Would it be a good idea to add the pre-evolution moves that it can learn, as we know all of those from Eevee, or would it be advised to wait until we know everything which it can learn? Just a tidbit curious, is all. [[User:Sioli|Sioli]] ([[User talk:Sioli|talk]]) 00:47, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Waiting would be best, I think, since we don't know what moves Eevee will or won't learn yet. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 01:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Typo ==

'Sylveon a combination of...' should be 'Sylveon '''is''' a combination of...'. - ''signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])'' ''18:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)''

== Name Origin ==

Down in the name origin area, it is mentioned that Sylveon's name could come from "Sylph", but I think another name origin could be "sylvan", (meaning of the forest) which seems to match Sylveon's name a bit better.
'''I also think the whole thing about the 'Eon' suffix having to do with how long evolution takes needs to be removed.''' As far as we know, the 'Eon' suffix is only there because of it being an Eeveelution. [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] ([[User talk:Zarthga|talk]]) 17:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
:That is the explanation for why all the Eeveelutions have the "eon" suffix. There is a reason thaat the Eeveelutions have that specific suffix, and that's the only explanation we have. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
It's more likely that Sylveon's name comes from sylvan than sylph. [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 16:40, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
:How so? Sylph is a fairy. Sylveon is a Fairy-type Pokémon.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:16, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Sylvans are also fairies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvan Sylvan or Silvan refers to an association with the woods. Specifically, that which inhabits the wood, is made of tree materials, or comprises the forest itself. The term can also refer to a person who resides in the woods or a spirit of the wood. '''In mythology, the term also refers to deities or spirits of the woods'''.]) and its name is Sylveon and not Sylpheon [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 05:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

== Type ==
Sylveon was confirmed to be Fairy-type! - [[User:Ishlishl]]
:The staff is aware and we're currently working to update all pages accordingly. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 14:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Species ==

According to the {{n|E3 Nintendo Direct reveals masses of information#Press release|press release}}, Sylveon is the Interwining Pokémon.--[[User:Lemonade Mouth|Lemonade Mouth]] ([[User talk:Lemonade Mouth|talk]]) 18:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Origin ==

We could put the basic mammal stuff it shares with all eeveelutions (looks like a cat, dog, fox mix), and now that we have fairy type confirmed we can say the bows resemble fairy wings.
[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 19:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== Korean name for Sylveon ==

Just FYI, 님피아 would be rendered as ''Nimpia'', not ''Nymphia'', using RR. Pokemon of Korea doesn't maintain separate Romanized named for Pokemon like Japan does. Also, as such, its Korean name is simply a transliteration of its Japanese name. I'd change it myself if I could... -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 03:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
:Also just FYI. In Cantonese, all Eeveelution will have the name "依貝" instead of "精靈". In Generation IV, only {{p|Leafeon}} and {{p|Glaceon}} have a Cantonese name while the other Generation IV Pokémon did not have any names there. So the Cantonese name of Sylveon should be 仙子依貝 Sīnzìyībui. I'd change it myself if I could too. KyleRGiggs 00:19, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

== Learnset ==

It should be said on the page under "Game Data" under "Learnset" that Sylveon has been shown to know how to use Moonblast through an unknown method. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 21:01, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
:We don't know the full moveset yet, so what's the point? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 21:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

== anime debut ==

the short already aired sylveon is no longer "set to appear in the Pikachu short PK25." {{unsigned|0danmaster0}}

== Shiny ==

Should we add its shiny image to the page to showcase its alternate look. My thinking behind this is that we have shown screenshots of an unsheathed [[Honedge]], and a [[Swirlix]] with both its "feet" visible to showcase alternate appearances for them, and since shiny form(e)s are, themselves, alternate appearances of Pokémon, it only makes sense to me to add a shiny image.[[File:Shiny_Sylveon_Cropped.png]]--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 12:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

== Spirte ==

I have a frontsprite of a Sylveon , that I can actually use there , how do i create the Spritebox ? {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}
:Well, first it will need to be uploaded to the Archives, but those are, I believe, not available for upload. So I suppose send it to a member of staff to upload it for you. Then rest can be figured out. Although...X and Y don't use sprites, so... --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 01:53, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
This is the Spirte : http://i.imgur.com/WQ3E30F.gif
I Also have the Honedge evolutionary family. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}

Okay, let's upload those Kalos sprites. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 16:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:Hey hey hey. Wait a second. Don't just go and make these important decisions first. Not that you could even do anything since the Archives are locked. First of all, is that all you have? Just Sylveon and the Honedge line? What about the other Gen VI Pokemon? And the ones from Gen I to V? Did you make those images yourself or did you get them from somewhere? Those also need to be squared. Talk it up with an administrator first, please. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 17:50, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
I now have the Sligoo Evolutionary Family , Fletchling , and Fennekin. I found them all on a Tumblr , I asked the tumblr owner if they could be used here , I'm awaiting his/hers answer. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}
Oh , I've got the answer , and he/she said that he/she taked them from this site : http://www.pkparaiso.com/xy/sprites_pokemon.php
And the site says that if the sprites are going to be used , they need to be credited...

== Trivia ==

As we have done it earlier with Magneton and Magnezone;
Eevee and Sylveon are in a evolution family which differs the great difference in NATdex ,being 567. [[User:Rajjoaby|Rajjoaby]] ([[User talk:Rajjoaby|talk]]) 22:27, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

:Nah, I don't think that's notable. I read Magnezone's page and couldn't find the note. If it was removed, probably not notable enough. Although the removal of that note could have been because of Sylveon. Actually no it wasn't because I just checked the last revision before Sylveon's introduction and that note wasn't there. And besides, all cross-gen evolutionary relatives have a great difference in National Dex numbers. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 23:45, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Biology section edit summary ==

Sorry about the unfinished edit summary; I accidentally hit Enter in the middle of it, so I'll put this here instead. I was going to say, "'Dainty' is opinionated language, and per Crystal Talian's edits to other Eeveelutions including Espeon, try to avoid naming them as specifically feline." Sorry! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:49, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Sylveon is feline, not canine. ==

Okay, Crystal Talian – here is my thesis about why [[Sylveon]] (and [[Espeon]] as well) should be described as ''feline'' in this Wiki . . .

It is quite obvious to me that [[Sylveon]], [[Espeon]], (and ''all'' of the [[Eeveelutions]], as a matter of fact) are feline. They do possess long ears, but that alone does not prove that Sylveon are canids. Their slender, delicate body structures, blunt, dainty, muzzles and faces, and small triangular noses clearly resemble traits of felines. Canids, on the other hand, typically have long, distinctly pointed snouts and larger, bulkier body structures.

Let me compare true canine and vulpine Pokémon to the distinctly catlike [[Sylveon]] (and [[Espeon]]).

First, we have [[Houndoom]]: it clearly resembles a canine, specifically a domestic dog. It has a bulky, muscular body structure and a long, bulky pointed muzzle with a large nose. Also, its blunt claws, visible on its large, bulky feet, cannot be retracted. Note that canids’ claws are always visible because they cannot retract them, whereas felines’ claws are retracted in their natural, calm state.

Next, another dog Pokémon is [[Arcanine]]: like [[Houndoom]], it is very bulky and muscular in body structure, with a long, distinctly dog-like muzzle.

Now, foxes, which are canids (specifically vulpine), although comparable to Sylveon according to some of you (based on the ears???), are also very different. I don’t believe you can use the ears in any Pokémon to identify its species, because with most Pokémon, the ears seem to be extraordinarily designed, and in some cases have no connection to the rest of the body structure (note Houndoom’s horns.)
Another point about the extraordinarily long ears of the [[Eeveelutions]] to consider is this: they may not be explicitly cat-like, but they are not really fox-like, and especially not dog-like, either. As a matter of fact, the extraordinarily long ears of [[Eevee]] and its evolutions are more rabbit-like than anything (but no one even considers this obvious feature).

Let’s compare Sylveon to real, confirmed fox Pokémon (vulpines), such as [[Fennekin]], [[Braixen]], and [[Delphox]]. [[Fennekin]] and its evolutions have very distinct, long pointy muzzles. Sylveon clearly lacks such a long fox-like muzzle. Sylveon’s muzzle, as I have pointed out, is very blunt and catlike – not at all bulky, long, or even remotely canid in appearance. The ''[[Fennekin]]'' family is based on Fennec foxes, but [[Sylveon]] and [[Espeon]] are clearly not, based on their feline body and facial structures as opposed to the canine/vulpine body and facial structures of the [[Fennekin]] line.

And a little side note: interestingly, in the Pikachu short-film that features Sylveon, Meowth is shown to be madly in love with Sylveon. I highly doubt Meowth, a cat Pokémon, would be attracted to a dog Pokémon. . .

I urge you to thoroughly check the pictures of the Pokémon I’ve compared, make comparisons to [[Sylveon]] (and [[Espeon]]) versus the real, confirmed dog and fox (canid/vulpine) Pokémon, and note and consider the distinctions I am making.

I think that it is far too general to state that Sylveon and Espeon are merely “mammalian”. It is also inaccurate to place “foxes and dogs” before “cats” in Sylveon's origin section, as if this Pokémon resembles a canid ''more'' than it resembles a feline. That is incorrect if it is indeed a ''combination'' of the felid-canid species. In that case, since it is more ''feline'' in overall appearance, feline should come first. Who’s being biased here?

I am only trying to post accurate information based on the obvious physiological traits of the [[Eeveelutions]]. You do want this Wiki to contain accurate information, don’t you? Let’s keep our emotions out of this. It’s not about favoritism at all. It’s about accuracy.

P.S. Just to let you know, I am well aware that I have just as much right to edit this page as you do. But I am going to be courteous and await your response to your suggestion of discussing it on the talk page. If I don't get a courteous response back from you in 24 hours, then I will exercise my right to edit the Wiki page as I see fit, based on my thorough analysis of this Pokémon’s physiological traits. --[[User:Fireball the Victini|Fireball the Victini]] ([[User talk:Fireball the Victini|talk]]) 00:42, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:The first thing I want to address here is your attitude toward the end of your statement. Yes, you have every right to edit this Wiki. However, you are expected to respect decisions made by staff of this Wiki -- of which I am a member. So when you are asked nicely to not to do something by staff, you should not do it until a decision has been made and the okay is given, regardless of how long it takes.

:That said, I can address the physiological traits of Eevee and its evolutions. While I go through, I am actually going to encourage you to be unbiased and realize that there is more than one way to look at things and that many, many Pokémon have their basis in a collection of animals, not just one kind.

:The short, blunt muzzles of the Eeveelutions are indeed feline, as you pointed out. However, small paws are not necessarily feline, nor is a slim body structure. Foxes have small paws and slim legs, and the {{wp|Maned Wolf}} has a very slim structure overall. Furthermore, many larger felids, such as lions, have truly massive paws that are not in the least tiny. As for their claws, most of the Eeveelutions do not appear to have claws one way or the other, so an argument about retractable claws really is not valid. In addition, some felids, such as the cheetah, have only semi-retractable claws.

:Now let us address some other common Eeveelution traits. For example, a brushy tail, this is possessed by Eevee itself, Flareon, Umbreon, and even Sylveon to an extent. This trait is distinctly and almost famously vulpine. The ears of most Eeveelutions, as you pointed out, are more rabbit-like than anything else. This trait is neither feline nor canine, but it is still mammalian. Additionally, Eeveelutions lack the slit pupils common in most small cats. Instead, they have round pupils, common to not large felids, but also canids and many other mammals. Even the vocalizations of these Pokémon in anime range from sounding like barks (as in Jolteon) to a more mewing quality (as in Espeon).

:The point about a cat Pokémon being attracted to a dog Pokémon is, to be honest, a little silly. They are still in the same Egg group, and animals of origin do not necessarily have anything to do attraction.

:I honestly think that Sylveon, Eevee and all the Eeveelutions are a collection of traits from cats, dogs (including foxes), rabbits, and other animals. I feel that it is most fair to address them as simply "mammalian" rather than distinctly feline, canine, vulpine, rabbit-like or any other specific animal. You are welcome to add more to the discussion, of course, and I will mention this to other members of staff. However, I do ask that you not make any changes until you are given the okay on it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 01:51, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I disagree wholeheartedly (the [[Eeveelutions]] look nothing like maned wolves), and I honestly think that you are being biased against the cat family. It is as if you are in denial and will not even consider making the articles more accurate, even though it is strikingly obvious that Sylveon, Espeon, and many of the Eeveelutions are indeed more feline than anything else.

(By the way, in one series of the Pokemon manga, Jolteon is shown to be extending its claws, like a cat, while preparing for battle.)

But since ''you'' have higher privileges on Bulbapedia, I suppose there is nothing I can do to provide more accurate information without you nitpicking and reverting all of my edits constantly as if I am vandalizing the page . . .

I believe that it is appropriate to remove "dogs" from Sylveon's Origin section (because it looks ''nothing'' like a domestic dog), and move "cats" before "foxes", and remove that it is "most likely based on a fennec fox", as ''we already know that the [[Fennekin]] family is based on fennec foxes'' and Sylveon does not resemble the Fennekin family in any way.

I mean, you can tell by this image of Sylveon (from a different angle), that its dainty sitting position is reminiscent of a domestic cat:
[[File:700Sylveon Dream 2.png]]

I also believe it is appropriate to remove "Fennec fox" from Espeon's Origin, as it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that Espeon might be based on a fennec fox, considering there is already pretty solid evidence that it is indeed based on the mystical two-tailed nekomata cat from Japanese folklore.

I will indeed make these minor, harmless edits to the origin sections of those pages. Sorry if it bothers you so much. . .

I just tried to help make the Wiki more accurate. I ''know'' that the [[Eeveelutions]] are based on felines (with extraordinary chimerical features), but it seems that no one wants to admit this fact.
---[[User:Fireball the Victini|Fireball the Victini]] ([[User talk:Fireball the Victini|talk]]) 19:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:You say Sylveon is "obviously" feline? I couldn't honestly call it anything but "feminine" and I guess "mammalian". The Eeveelutions are all over the place. Your "knowledge" is not absolute, just another fan's opinion and not necessarily more accurate than anyone else's. The only hard "facts" are what the developers want to divulge. Short of that, you have to hope for consensus. (And here, for now, you do not have it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
::As you can see above, many people see the Eeveelutions as nothing more than furry animals. I've heard it from others that, for them, they don't look like either dogs or cats. The fact that dogs are listed before cats has nothing to do with one being more influential than the other, and origins are almost never absolute or just one thing. I told you to wait until you were given the okay, and you didn't. The origins are fine the way they are for now, pending change on input from other using and staff. I'm not nitpicking, I'm also doing my best to ensure accuracy. Try to be a little more open-minded about the origins here. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 21:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

== Max Exp ==

The Max Exp That Sylveon can have is 1M (1,000,000) [[User:Igor The Mii|Igor The Mii]] ([[User talk:Igor The Mii|talk]]) 20:43, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

== umm.. is this trivia worthy? ==

Sorry I'm new here,but I noticed that sylveon is the only eeveelution that does not have a resistance to its own. Am I incorrect,or has this been mentioned before?
[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 09:36, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

== about abilities... ==

so Sylveon's Hidden ability is "Pixilate", but how do you get a Sylveon with hidden ability? will an Eevee with Anticipation (its hidden ability) when evolved to Sylveon automatically become Pixilate Sylveon? --[[User:ZaphodBeeblebrox|ZaphodBeeblebrox]] ([[User talk:ZaphodBeeblebrox|talk]]) 18:27, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:MetalMetroid997|MetalMetroid997]] ([[User talk:MetalMetroid997|talk]]) 19:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:: aha, thank you so much! I ponder if maybe this information should be clarified on the "abilities" page, e.g. something like "Pokémon with the hidden ability x will evolve into Pokémon with hidden ability y" for situations where x and y do not have overlapping or identical abilities/hidden abilities. Another example that comes to mind is Oblivious Numel evolving into Magma Armor Camerupt. I feel that this is information that is sort of information is lacking/should be researched and should be recorded somewhere. But if in a table on the ability page or on each pokémon's individual page, I am not sure. [[User:ZaphodBeeblebrox|ZaphodBeeblebrox]] ([[User talk:ZaphodBeeblebrox|talk]]) 22:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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==cross-generational evolution==
Should this be added to the [[List of Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions]]? --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 02:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

Are there any reasonable explanations for the origin of its name? I've seen "Nymph" and "Ninja" floating around, but maybe someone who knows more about Japanese could take a closer look at its name (especially with the other Eeveelutions' names being very straightforward). --[[User:Perlgia|Perlgia]] ([[User talk:Perlgia|talk]]) 08:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:It's better to not add the name origin before we have more info, but I think "Nymph" is the most likely origin since it's very similar to its Japanese name: ニンフ and ニンフィア. If it came from "Ninja", they would make it more obvious.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 08:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

It's a bit weird that we have VaporEON, JoltEON, FlarEON,and so on, and now we have NinFIA. They'll probably change it to Ninfeon. Just my opinion. --[[User:VictiniLopunny7|VictiniLopunny7]] ([[User talk:VictiniLopunny7|talk]]) 13:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:Ninfia is the Japanese name, the English name has been released yet.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
::My guess is that its English is going to be something like "Nympheon". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:51, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:::Guessing is for the forum where this discussion belongs. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 13:52, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
::::But Ninfia could also be from Nimbus cloud, which in Japanese is ニンブース (Ninbuusu). So it really could be anything right now, so until it's type is revealed we can't say. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 16:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:::::Except it's not. In fact, [http://www.google.com/search?q=%E3%83%8B%E3%83%B3%E3%83%96%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&nfpr=1 the only result on google] for ニンブース (Ninbuusu) is a comment trying to resolve this Pokémon's name. The usual spelling of the English 'nimbus' in Japanese is ニンバス (Ninbasu). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] ([[User talk:Bluesun|talk]]) 21:01, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

"Sylveon" is probably based on the air elemental "Sylph", so "Nymph" would make even more sense as the name origin of Ninfia. --[[User:Perlgia|Perlgia]] ([[User talk:Perlgia|talk]]) 13:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

:To also add to that, its French name is Nymphali, so I guess 'nymph' as the name origin for its Japanese name seems that more likely. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] ([[User talk:Rai Marshall|talk]]) 21:38, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::"Sylveon" could just as easily be a reference to Sylvan, which relates to the woods more than to air, also both "Sylph" and "Nymph" are female-only mythological spirits, which ties with the asthetic similar to the female-dominant fairy-group pokemon. [[User:OneInTwenty|OneInTwenty]] ([[User talk:OneInTwenty|talk]]) 22:54, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
:::A Sylph is a mythical creature that is said to inhabit the air. A dictionary (and many RPGs) told me so. Nymph is only a generalized name for a sylph, salamander, gnome, or undine. --[[User:Kektklik|Kektklik]] ([[User talk:Kektklik|talk]]) 02:03, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
::::The German name begins with "Fee", which is German for "fairy". [[User:Briguychau|Briguychau]] ([[User talk:Briguychau|talk]]) 05:45, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
The French name contains "nymph" and the English name contains "Syl". The "Syl" could be referring to the Greek mythological nymph "Syllis" who was a lover of the Greek mythological god "Apollo"-The Greek god of light or the sun. This may connect with the rumored new "light" type. It being the lightest eeveelution yet may also be a hint to that. "Syl" could also represent mythological Sylphs(sky fairies), which could be hinting towards Sylveon being flying(or at least part flying) type. Another indication of this is (according to the Wikipedia article on Sylphs)the article states that they ride the "wind", hence the ribbons appearing as being blown by wind. It also states that sylphs are said to be slender and graceful and having large glistening eyes. All of these examples are reflected in Ninfia/Sylveon's design. It also doesn't really follow the traditional design style of any current types. A bit off topic here but Xerneas is kind of the same in the sense of looking like the current types and the rainbow-esque style of it's "antlers". Rainbows strongly relate to light and it goes on... But getting into new types and Xerneas is pointless as this is the Sylveon discussion page. [[User:Vexino|Vexino]] ([[User talk:Vexino|talk]]) 03:03, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Sylveon must be a Flying-type. A sylph is a mythological creature in the Western tradition. The term was created by Paracelsus, who described sylphs as elementals of the air. Who knows, maybe it can fly with its ribbons. To add to my theory, Sylveon is also the lightest Eeveelution. -MasterZ 21:04, 21 February 2013 (EST)

The word Sylph is very specifically an air-elemental, flying spirit— coined by Paracelsus. Until the mid-1800's, the word in any English dictionary would include the phrase "light, airy movements;" at which point the definition of "slender, graceful girl" appeared, derived from those airy qualities. Etymology in most dictionaries only go as far back as its Modern Latin coinage; however, some suggest a possible (i.e. hypothetical) relation to an earlier Latin root meaning "of the woods." But! Firstly, We already have Leafeon; & Secondly, The hypothetical earlier Latin root "of the woods" does not, unlike its first recorded usage, specify anything elemental whatsoever. The creek is of the woods… So, unless there's to be a new Type introduced, it's safe to assume that Sylveon will be a Flying type Pokémon. [[User:Pic620|Pic620]] ([[User talk:Pic620|talk]]) 03:44, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== English name is Sylveon ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pse_I1klRhA

From the official Pokémon channel.--'''[[User:Radio Rebel|♪ Radio Rebel ♪]]''' - ''[[User talk:Radio Rebel|Reject the status quo!]]'' 13:08, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== German Name Origin ==

I’d say the German name is a mix of ‘Fee’ (fairy) and Felinae (felinae), ending in -ara just as Nachtara (Umbreon) and Flamara (Flareon). Any other ideas about that? Should we add the Fee/felinae part to the German name explanation? [[User:Peterpansexuell|Peterpansexuell]] ([[User talk:Peterpansexuell|talk]]) 14:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
:Please discuss this on the forums, as it would be best to speculate there. Its name could come from a lot of things, it is hard to say for sure until we know more information. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 14:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::By now it's pretty obvious that in every language its name is based on a feminine mythological creature: Nymph (Japanese and French), Sylph (English) and "Fee" (German for "fairy"). The "felinae" part is debatable, but the mythological pattern is there. --[[User:Perlgia|Perlgia]] ([[User talk:Perlgia|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== Sylveon Video Moves ==

I'm sure in the video featuring Sylveon, it uses moves similiar to both Swift and Trump Card, could this be added?[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 17:35, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

:I think we should wait until all of the moves that Sylveon can learn are revealed. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 19:14, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::We will not be adding any information into the articles unless it has been confirmed by an official source. Adding the moves because they look like "Swift" would be speculation. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== Reddish fur? ==

Unless I am color blind, I think that "reddish fur" it has would more be a light/hot pink, ''not'' "reddish". —[[User:Clubchloe1|'''Club''']][[User talk:Clubchloe1|'''chloe1''']] 19:36, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
: Well, it was a guess as to the color of the fur from the image in the scan. I would agree to changing the color described. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:21, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

== Miscelaneous details ==

Tied with Vaporeon, Umbreon, and Leafeon for tallest eeveelution. [[User:OneInTwenty|OneInTwenty]] ([[User talk:OneInTwenty|talk]]) 22:54, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
:The fact that it is joint first with three other Eeveelutions is unnotable. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 23:07, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Sylveon is the lightest Eeveelution, implying that it could be a Flying-type. -MasterZ 21:08, 21 February 2013 (EST)

== First Gen VI Pokémon to make an anime debut? ==

I think this might be too early to post, but since Sylveon is confirmed to appear in the upcoming [[Pikachu short]] ''[[PK25]]'', does that make Sylveon the first Generation VI Pokémon to debut in the anime? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 00:41, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
:PK25 doesn't air until July 13, and the anime still has a few months left. They could throw something in between now and then, so I say we wait. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

== Sylveon Evolutionbox ==

I'm pretty sure that Sylveon is an Eeveelution...
Anyways, why not add an Evolution portion? We know that Sylveon evolves from Eevee, so why not add that to the infobox?
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=133
|name1=Eevee
|type1-1=Normal
|evotype1=???
|evostone1=File:000MS.png
|sprite2=000
|name2=Sylveon
|type1-2=???}}
So it would look like that.
.[[User:Garyoak|Garyoak]] ([[User talk:Garyoak|talk]]) 12:18, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
:We should wait until we know HOW it evolves. The page already mentions that it evolves from Eevee, which is enough for now.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 12:24, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
::I don't think not knowing the method should matter. We also mention the Pokémon that any Pokémon evolves from on its page in the same way we do for Sylveon, but include an infobox as well. The template is capable of outputting "Unknown" as a method, so I don't see why not to use it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

== Nymphia ==

Does anyone know where source that the official romanization is "Nymphia" is? I've heard it is official but yet to see the source. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:25, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
:[http://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7103221504/h0D4CC975/ These stickers].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 12:56, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
::Alright, thanks. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:34, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Hehyeyeyey... It totally isn't Nymphia. When you try to find it, they would say it is Ninfia.
About the stickers, might be a typographical error. --[[User:Falcypon|Falcypon]] ([[User talk:Falcypon|talk]]) 08:37, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
:The official romanization is different to the Hepburn romanization. Ninfia is the Hepburn romanization, and while the official one can be the same sometimes, in most cases it is different. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:26, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
: What? [[User:Falcypon|Falcypon]] ([[User talk:Falcypon|talk]]) 13:55, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
::"Ninfia" is just how you pronounce "ニンフィア", but its Japanese name is "Nymphia". Just like how "Mewtwo" and "Lugia" are pronounced "Myūtsū" and "Rugia" in Japanese.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:46, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

== English Name Origin ==

Shouldn't it mention how the name 'Sylveon' ends with ''-eon'', just like all Eeveelutions, as it says this for the French Name Origin?[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 15:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
:In fact, there is no English name origin section at all. Where the English name origin is on other pages, we instead have a duplicate of the Japanese name origin section. Hmm. - ''signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])'' ''18:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC)''
I'm more concerned with the fact it most likely originates from "sylvan", which refers to woods and forests. (Which only adds to the mystery of why it's named such and yet can't be a Grass type....)[[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] ([[User talk:FerreTrip|talk]]) 21:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
:The word "sylvan" can also refer to a spirit or deity of the woods. It's very possible this was the derivative word rather than "sylph," or it could be both. [[User:Silmina|Silmina]] ([[User talk:Silmina|talk]]) 11:02, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Sylveon comes from "sylph" the definitions of which are... 1. A messenger from the air. 2. A slender woman or girl. It is pretty much another word for nymph, like in Ninfia. As a side note, most of it's names have origins that specify females. I think we have a genderlock! =) [[User:Team-Eevee|Team-Eevee]] ([[User talk:Team-Eevee|talk]]) 15:25, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't think having the word "sylph" in it's name instantly means it's a gender-locked evolution, especially since {{p|Eevee}} itself has a gender ratio of 1♀/7♂. Then again, {{p|Combee}} has the same ratio yet has a gender-locked evo. --[[User:Relicant|Relicant]] ([[User talk:Relicant|talk]]) 17:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

:Going by that logic, Slowking and Mr. Mime should be only male. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 18:16, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I took that into account, but there is more evidence supporting a genderlock than just names. Virgil's unevolved Eevee was unneccesarily revealed to be female though the anime almost never specifies genders. In Pikachu & Eevee Friends, it is stressed in the new trailer that Meowth has a huge crush on the Sylveon. So in addition to name and anime hints, we have seen pokemon like Vespiquen, Froslass, and Galade. A female exclusive Eeveelution would be tough to obtain, which GameFreak has been fond of lately. Besides, if it weren't genderlocked, why would nymph AND sylph have been used? If it were a dragon-type, why not Draceon, Scaleon, or Fangeon? If it were a flying-type, why not Windeon, Breezeon, or Cloudeon? If it were a normal-type, why not Eeveeon, Faireon, or Pixeon? Just something to think about. I hope I'm right, but if I'm wrong I'm wrong... as are a lot of gender confused Sylveon XD [[User:Team-Eevee|Team-Eevee]] ([[User talk:Team-Eevee|talk]]) 23:54, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
:Can we please stop speculating on talk pages. They are for the discussion of the article, not the topic of the article. Please take this discussion to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php the forums]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:26, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Could somebody add a section for the English Name Origin? I would but the page is locked. --[[User:Youngster2000|Youngster2000]] ([[User talk:Youngster2000|talk]]) 21:44, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

== What it looks like. ==

Most of Eevee's evolutions are foxes, except Espeon. This one looks like a deer with paws. {{unsigned|Likalaruku}}

Sylveon looks like it's made up of a lot of other Pokemon parts. It has Victini eyes, Miccino ears, Deerling tail, Milotic ribbons, Gothita bows, and Glaceon/Leafeon feet. [[User:Glitchynidoqueen|Glitchynidoqueen]] ([[User talk:Glitchynidoqueen|talk]]) 22:33, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== german name ==

|de=Feelinara|demeaning=From ''{{tt|Fee|fairy}}''. Ends with ''-a'' like every [[Eeveelution]] in German. --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 17:01, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

hello pls edit the german name --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 05:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
* I think it might also refer to Sylveon's feelers. They are referred to as feelers in the press release. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 21:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Small problem ==

Just thought I'd mention this: it's said in the physiology section that "it's eye are blue with no visible sclera". That should be changed to "no visible iris"; the sclera is the blue bit [[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] ([[User talk:Green Zubat|talk]]) 21:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry, but there's now a small typo. Not sure if you want to fix it, by it says "... and no visible irides." If it would be possible to change it to irises, that'd probably help.{{unsigned|Sioli}}
:::Actually, "irides" is a plural form of iris, so it's just another way to say "irises". '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:54, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
::::I don't want to be rude but, the Iris is actually the colour bit in the eye while the sclera is the whit bit around it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_(anatomy)] [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 00:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Moves, perhaps? ==

Hey, just a quick question. Would it be a good idea to add the pre-evolution moves that it can learn, as we know all of those from Eevee, or would it be advised to wait until we know everything which it can learn? Just a tidbit curious, is all. [[User:Sioli|Sioli]] ([[User talk:Sioli|talk]]) 00:47, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Waiting would be best, I think, since we don't know what moves Eevee will or won't learn yet. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 01:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Typo ==

'Sylveon a combination of...' should be 'Sylveon '''is''' a combination of...'. - ''signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])'' ''18:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)''

== Name Origin ==

Down in the name origin area, it is mentioned that Sylveon's name could come from "Sylph", but I think another name origin could be "sylvan", (meaning of the forest) which seems to match Sylveon's name a bit better.
'''I also think the whole thing about the 'Eon' suffix having to do with how long evolution takes needs to be removed.''' As far as we know, the 'Eon' suffix is only there because of it being an Eeveelution. [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] ([[User talk:Zarthga|talk]]) 17:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
:That is the explanation for why all the Eeveelutions have the "eon" suffix. There is a reason thaat the Eeveelutions have that specific suffix, and that's the only explanation we have. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
It's more likely that Sylveon's name comes from sylvan than sylph. [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 16:40, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
:How so? Sylph is a fairy. Sylveon is a Fairy-type Pokémon.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:16, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Sylvans are also fairies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvan Sylvan or Silvan refers to an association with the woods. Specifically, that which inhabits the wood, is made of tree materials, or comprises the forest itself. The term can also refer to a person who resides in the woods or a spirit of the wood. '''In mythology, the term also refers to deities or spirits of the woods'''.]) and its name is Sylveon and not Sylpheon [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 05:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

== Type ==
Sylveon was confirmed to be Fairy-type! - [[User:Ishlishl]]
:The staff is aware and we're currently working to update all pages accordingly. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 14:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Species ==

According to the {{n|E3 Nintendo Direct reveals masses of information#Press release|press release}}, Sylveon is the Interwining Pokémon.--[[User:Lemonade Mouth|Lemonade Mouth]] ([[User talk:Lemonade Mouth|talk]]) 18:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Origin ==

We could put the basic mammal stuff it shares with all eeveelutions (looks like a cat, dog, fox mix), and now that we have fairy type confirmed we can say the bows resemble fairy wings.
[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 19:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== Korean name for Sylveon ==

Just FYI, 님피아 would be rendered as ''Nimpia'', not ''Nymphia'', using RR. Pokemon of Korea doesn't maintain separate Romanized named for Pokemon like Japan does. Also, as such, its Korean name is simply a transliteration of its Japanese name. I'd change it myself if I could... -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 03:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
:Also just FYI. In Cantonese, all Eeveelution will have the name "依貝" instead of "精靈". In Generation IV, only {{p|Leafeon}} and {{p|Glaceon}} have a Cantonese name while the other Generation IV Pokémon did not have any names there. So the Cantonese name of Sylveon should be 仙子依貝 Sīnzìyībui. I'd change it myself if I could too. KyleRGiggs 00:19, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

== Learnset ==

It should be said on the page under "Game Data" under "Learnset" that Sylveon has been shown to know how to use Moonblast through an unknown method. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 21:01, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
:We don't know the full moveset yet, so what's the point? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 21:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

== anime debut ==

the short already aired sylveon is no longer "set to appear in the Pikachu short PK25." {{unsigned|0danmaster0}}

== Shiny ==

Should we add its shiny image to the page to showcase its alternate look. My thinking behind this is that we have shown screenshots of an unsheathed [[Honedge]], and a [[Swirlix]] with both its "feet" visible to showcase alternate appearances for them, and since shiny form(e)s are, themselves, alternate appearances of Pokémon, it only makes sense to me to add a shiny image.[[File:Shiny_Sylveon_Cropped.png]]--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 12:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

== Spirte ==

I have a frontsprite of a Sylveon , that I can actually use there , how do i create the Spritebox ? {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}
:Well, first it will need to be uploaded to the Archives, but those are, I believe, not available for upload. So I suppose send it to a member of staff to upload it for you. Then rest can be figured out. Although...X and Y don't use sprites, so... --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 01:53, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
This is the Spirte : http://i.imgur.com/WQ3E30F.gif
I Also have the Honedge evolutionary family. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}

Okay, let's upload those Kalos sprites. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 16:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:Hey hey hey. Wait a second. Don't just go and make these important decisions first. Not that you could even do anything since the Archives are locked. First of all, is that all you have? Just Sylveon and the Honedge line? What about the other Gen VI Pokemon? And the ones from Gen I to V? Did you make those images yourself or did you get them from somewhere? Those also need to be squared. Talk it up with an administrator first, please. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 17:50, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
I now have the Sligoo Evolutionary Family , Fletchling , and Fennekin. I found them all on a Tumblr , I asked the tumblr owner if they could be used here , I'm awaiting his/hers answer. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}
Oh , I've got the answer , and he/she said that he/she taked them from this site : http://www.pkparaiso.com/xy/sprites_pokemon.php
And the site says that if the sprites are going to be used , they need to be credited...

== Trivia ==

As we have done it earlier with Magneton and Magnezone;
Eevee and Sylveon are in a evolution family which differs the great difference in NATdex ,being 567. [[User:Rajjoaby|Rajjoaby]] ([[User talk:Rajjoaby|talk]]) 22:27, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

:Nah, I don't think that's notable. I read Magnezone's page and couldn't find the note. If it was removed, probably not notable enough. Although the removal of that note could have been because of Sylveon. Actually no it wasn't because I just checked the last revision before Sylveon's introduction and that note wasn't there. And besides, all cross-gen evolutionary relatives have a great difference in National Dex numbers. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 23:45, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Biology section edit summary ==

Sorry about the unfinished edit summary; I accidentally hit Enter in the middle of it, so I'll put this here instead. I was going to say, "'Dainty' is opinionated language, and per Crystal Talian's edits to other Eeveelutions including Espeon, try to avoid naming them as specifically feline." Sorry! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:49, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Sylveon is feline, not canine. ==

Okay, Crystal Talian – here is my thesis about why [[Sylveon]] (and [[Espeon]] as well) should be described as ''feline'' in this Wiki . . .

It is quite obvious to me that [[Sylveon]], [[Espeon]], (and ''all'' of the [[Eeveelutions]], as a matter of fact) are feline. They do possess long ears, but that alone does not prove that Sylveon are canids. Their slender, delicate body structures, blunt, dainty, muzzles and faces, and small triangular noses clearly resemble traits of felines. Canids, on the other hand, typically have long, distinctly pointed snouts and larger, bulkier body structures.

Let me compare true canine and vulpine Pokémon to the distinctly catlike [[Sylveon]] (and [[Espeon]]).

First, we have [[Houndoom]]: it clearly resembles a canine, specifically a domestic dog. It has a bulky, muscular body structure and a long, bulky pointed muzzle with a large nose. Also, its blunt claws, visible on its large, bulky feet, cannot be retracted. Note that canids’ claws are always visible because they cannot retract them, whereas felines’ claws are retracted in their natural, calm state.

Next, another dog Pokémon is [[Arcanine]]: like [[Houndoom]], it is very bulky and muscular in body structure, with a long, distinctly dog-like muzzle.

Now, foxes, which are canids (specifically vulpine), although comparable to Sylveon according to some of you (based on the ears???), are also very different. I don’t believe you can use the ears in any Pokémon to identify its species, because with most Pokémon, the ears seem to be extraordinarily designed, and in some cases have no connection to the rest of the body structure (note Houndoom’s horns.)
Another point about the extraordinarily long ears of the [[Eeveelutions]] to consider is this: they may not be explicitly cat-like, but they are not really fox-like, and especially not dog-like, either. As a matter of fact, the extraordinarily long ears of [[Eevee]] and its evolutions are more rabbit-like than anything (but no one even considers this obvious feature).

Let’s compare Sylveon to real, confirmed fox Pokémon (vulpines), such as [[Fennekin]], [[Braixen]], and [[Delphox]]. [[Fennekin]] and its evolutions have very distinct, long pointy muzzles. Sylveon clearly lacks such a long fox-like muzzle. Sylveon’s muzzle, as I have pointed out, is very blunt and catlike – not at all bulky, long, or even remotely canid in appearance. The ''[[Fennekin]]'' family is based on Fennec foxes, but [[Sylveon]] and [[Espeon]] are clearly not, based on their feline body and facial structures as opposed to the canine/vulpine body and facial structures of the [[Fennekin]] line.

And a little side note: interestingly, in the Pikachu short-film that features Sylveon, Meowth is shown to be madly in love with Sylveon. I highly doubt Meowth, a cat Pokémon, would be attracted to a dog Pokémon. . .

I urge you to thoroughly check the pictures of the Pokémon I’ve compared, make comparisons to [[Sylveon]] (and [[Espeon]]) versus the real, confirmed dog and fox (canid/vulpine) Pokémon, and note and consider the distinctions I am making.

I think that it is far too general to state that Sylveon and Espeon are merely “mammalian”. It is also inaccurate to place “foxes and dogs” before “cats” in Sylveon's origin section, as if this Pokémon resembles a canid ''more'' than it resembles a feline. That is incorrect if it is indeed a ''combination'' of the felid-canid species. In that case, since it is more ''feline'' in overall appearance, feline should come first. Who’s being biased here?

I am only trying to post accurate information based on the obvious physiological traits of the [[Eeveelutions]]. You do want this Wiki to contain accurate information, don’t you? Let’s keep our emotions out of this. It’s not about favoritism at all. It’s about accuracy.

P.S. Just to let you know, I am well aware that I have just as much right to edit this page as you do. But I am going to be courteous and await your response to your suggestion of discussing it on the talk page. If I don't get a courteous response back from you in 24 hours, then I will exercise my right to edit the Wiki page as I see fit, based on my thorough analysis of this Pokémon’s physiological traits. --[[User:Fireball the Victini|Fireball the Victini]] ([[User talk:Fireball the Victini|talk]]) 00:42, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:The first thing I want to address here is your attitude toward the end of your statement. Yes, you have every right to edit this Wiki. However, you are expected to respect decisions made by staff of this Wiki -- of which I am a member. So when you are asked nicely to not to do something by staff, you should not do it until a decision has been made and the okay is given, regardless of how long it takes.

:That said, I can address the physiological traits of Eevee and its evolutions. While I go through, I am actually going to encourage you to be unbiased and realize that there is more than one way to look at things and that many, many Pokémon have their basis in a collection of animals, not just one kind.

:The short, blunt muzzles of the Eeveelutions are indeed feline, as you pointed out. However, small paws are not necessarily feline, nor is a slim body structure. Foxes have small paws and slim legs, and the {{wp|Maned Wolf}} has a very slim structure overall. Furthermore, many larger felids, such as lions, have truly massive paws that are not in the least tiny. As for their claws, most of the Eeveelutions do not appear to have claws one way or the other, so an argument about retractable claws really is not valid. In addition, some felids, such as the cheetah, have only semi-retractable claws.

:Now let us address some other common Eeveelution traits. For example, a brushy tail, this is possessed by Eevee itself, Flareon, Umbreon, and even Sylveon to an extent. This trait is distinctly and almost famously vulpine. The ears of most Eeveelutions, as you pointed out, are more rabbit-like than anything else. This trait is neither feline nor canine, but it is still mammalian. Additionally, Eeveelutions lack the slit pupils common in most small cats. Instead, they have round pupils, common to not large felids, but also canids and many other mammals. Even the vocalizations of these Pokémon in anime range from sounding like barks (as in Jolteon) to a more mewing quality (as in Espeon).

:The point about a cat Pokémon being attracted to a dog Pokémon is, to be honest, a little silly. They are still in the same Egg group, and animals of origin do not necessarily have anything to do attraction.

:I honestly think that Sylveon, Eevee and all the Eeveelutions are a collection of traits from cats, dogs (including foxes), rabbits, and other animals. I feel that it is most fair to address them as simply "mammalian" rather than distinctly feline, canine, vulpine, rabbit-like or any other specific animal. You are welcome to add more to the discussion, of course, and I will mention this to other members of staff. However, I do ask that you not make any changes until you are given the okay on it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 01:51, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I disagree wholeheartedly (the [[Eeveelutions]] look nothing like maned wolves), and I honestly think that you are being biased against the cat family. It is as if you are in denial and will not even consider making the articles more accurate, even though it is strikingly obvious that Sylveon, Espeon, and many of the Eeveelutions are indeed more feline than anything else.

(By the way, in one series of the Pokemon manga, Jolteon is shown to be extending its claws, like a cat, while preparing for battle.)

But since ''you'' have higher privileges on Bulbapedia, I suppose there is nothing I can do to provide more accurate information without you nitpicking and reverting all of my edits constantly as if I am vandalizing the page . . .

I believe that it is appropriate to remove "dogs" from Sylveon's Origin section (because it looks ''nothing'' like a domestic dog), and move "cats" before "foxes", and remove that it is "most likely based on a fennec fox", as ''we already know that the [[Fennekin]] family is based on fennec foxes'' and Sylveon does not resemble the Fennekin family in any way.

I mean, you can tell by this image of Sylveon (from a different angle), that its dainty sitting position is reminiscent of a domestic cat:
[[File:700Sylveon Dream 2.png]]

I also believe it is appropriate to remove "Fennec fox" from Espeon's Origin, as it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that Espeon might be based on a fennec fox, considering there is already pretty solid evidence that it is indeed based on the mystical two-tailed nekomata cat from Japanese folklore.

I will indeed make these minor, harmless edits to the origin sections of those pages. Sorry if it bothers you so much. . .

I just tried to help make the Wiki more accurate. I ''know'' that the [[Eeveelutions]] are based on felines (with extraordinary chimerical features), but it seems that no one wants to admit this fact.
---[[User:Fireball the Victini|Fireball the Victini]] ([[User talk:Fireball the Victini|talk]]) 19:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:You say Sylveon is "obviously" feline? I couldn't honestly call it anything but "feminine" and I guess "mammalian". The Eeveelutions are all over the place. Your "knowledge" is not absolute, just another fan's opinion and not necessarily more accurate than anyone else's. The only hard "facts" are what the developers want to divulge. Short of that, you have to hope for consensus. (And here, for now, you do not have it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
::As you can see above, many people see the Eeveelutions as nothing more than furry animals. I've heard it from others that, for them, they don't look like either dogs or cats. The fact that dogs are listed before cats has nothing to do with one being more influential than the other, and origins are almost never absolute or just one thing. I told you to wait until you were given the okay, and you didn't. The origins are fine the way they are for now, pending change on input from other using and staff. I'm not nitpicking, I'm also doing my best to ensure accuracy. Try to be a little more open-minded about the origins here. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 21:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

== Max Exp ==

The Max Exp That Sylveon can have is 1M (1,000,000) [[User:Igor The Mii|Igor The Mii]] ([[User talk:Igor The Mii|talk]]) 20:43, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

== umm.. is this trivia worthy? ==

Sorry I'm new here,but I noticed that sylveon is the only eeveelution that does not have a resistance to its own. Am I incorrect,or has this been mentioned before?
[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 09:36, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

== about abilities... ==

so Sylveon's Hidden ability is "Pixilate", but how do you get a Sylveon with hidden ability? will an Eevee with Anticipation (its hidden ability) when evolved to Sylveon automatically become Pixilate Sylveon? --[[User:ZaphodBeeblebrox|ZaphodBeeblebrox]] ([[User talk:ZaphodBeeblebrox|talk]]) 18:27, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:MetalMetroid997|MetalMetroid997]] ([[User talk:MetalMetroid997|talk]]) 19:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:: aha, thank you so much! I ponder if maybe this information should be clarified on the "abilities" page, e.g. something like "Pokémon with the hidden ability x will evolve into Pokémon with hidden ability y" for situations where x and y do not have overlapping or identical abilities/hidden abilities. Another example that comes to mind is Oblivious Numel evolving into Magma Armor Camerupt. I feel that this is information that is lacking/should be researched and should be recorded somewhere. But if in a table on the ability page or on each pokémon's individual page, I am not sure. [[User:ZaphodBeeblebrox|ZaphodBeeblebrox]] ([[User talk:ZaphodBeeblebrox|talk]]) 22:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

User:ZaphodBeeblebrox/Field Ability

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ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Vital Spirit */

== List of abilities with Field effects ==

Unless otherwise noted, all effects take place in {{game|Emerald}} and ''onwards'' specifically.

=== A ===
Arena Trap
*If a Pokémon with Arena Trap is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is increased to 200%.

=== C ===
Compound Eyes
*Prior to [[Generation V]] if a Pokémon with this Ability is leading the party, even while fainted, the chance of finding a Pokémon in the [[List of Pokémon by wild held item|wild holding an item]] increases by 50%/5%/1%. After [[Generation V]], the chance increases to 60%/20%/5%.

Cute Charm
*If a Pokémon with Cute Charm is leading the party, even while fainted, the chance of encountering a Pokémon of the opposite gender is 66.7%, regardless of gender ratios. This does not affect a [[Pokémon outbreak|swarming]] Pokémon or Pokémon found in [[Hidden Grotto]].

=== F ===
Flame Body
*It halves the number of [[egg cycle|cycles]] it takes for an {{pkmn|Egg}} to hatch. It stacks with [[O-Power|Hatching Power]] but not Magma Armor.

=== H ===
Honey Gather
*A Pokémon with Honey Gather may collect [[Honey]] after a battle if it is not already holding a [[held item]]. The chance for a Pokémon with Honey Gather to pick up Honey depends on level, starting at 5% between levels 1 to 10, going up by 5% every ten levels, ending at a 50% chance between levels 91 to 100.

Hustle
*If a Pokémon with Hustle is leading the party, the chance of encountering a higher-leveled wild Pokémon increases by 50%.

Hyper Cutter
*In {{game|Emerald}} '''only''', using {{m|Cut}} will remove all [[tall grass]] within a two square radius of the player's position, instead of only one square radius.

=== I ===
Illuminate
*If a Pokémon with Illuminate is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is increased to 200%.

Immunity
*Pokémon with this Ability can't take damage from poison outside of battle.

Intimidate
*If a Pokémon with Intimidate is leading the party, there is a 50% chance that encountering Pokémon will not appear if its level is 5 levels or more below the leading Pokémon.

=== K ===
Keen Eye
*If a Pokémon with Keen Eye is leading the party, there is a 50% chance that encountering Pokémon will not appear if its level is 5 levels or more below the leading Pokémon.

=== L ===
Lightning Rod
*In {{game|Emerald}}, if a Pokémon with Lightning Rod is leading the party, Trainers registered with the [[PokéNav]] Match Call function will call more often.

=== M ===
Magma Armor
*It halves the number of [[egg cycle|cycles]] it takes for all [[Pokémon Egg]]s in the party to hatch. It stacks with [[O-Power|Hatching Power]] but not Flame Body.

Magnet Pull
*If a Pokémon with Magnet Pull is leading the party, there is a 50% chance the game will force an encounter with a Steel-type Pokémon, if one is possible.

=== N ===
*If a Pokémon with No Guard is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is increased to 150%.

=== P ===
Pickup
*After winning a battle, any Pokémon that has this Ability and is not already holding an item has a 10% chance of picking up an item. Items vary by level and generation, see [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pickup_%28Ability%29#Items_received Pickup]

Pressure
*If a Pokémon with Pressure is leading the party, the chance of encountering a higher-leveled wild Pokémon increases by 50%.

=== Q ===
Quick Feet
*If a Pokémon with Quick Feet is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is decreased by 50%.

=== S ===
Sand Veil
*If a Pokémon with Sand Veil is leading the party in an area with a sandstorm, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is decreased by 50%.

Snow Cloak
*If a Pokémon with Snow Cloak is leading the party in an area with a blizzard, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is decreased by 50%.

Static
*If a Pokémon with Static is leading the party, there is a 50% chance the game will force an encounter with an Electric-type Pokémon, if one is possible.

Stench
*If a Pokémon with Stench is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is decreased by 50%.

Sticky Hold
*If a Pokémon with Sticky Hold is leading the party, bites will occur more often while fishing.

Suction Cups
*If a Pokémon with Suction Cups is leading the party, bites will occur more often while fishing.

Swarm
*If a Pokémon with Swarm is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate increases. In Emerald specifically, the rate of the [[Cry|cries]] of [[wild Pokémon]] heard in the field is also increased.

Synchronize
*If a Pokémon with Synchronize is leading the party, there is a 50% chance that wild Pokémon encountered will have the same [[Nature]] as the Pokémon with Synchronize. Does not apply to [[roaming Pokémon]]. In Emerald, it does not apply to stationary Pokémon.

=== V ===
Vital Spirit
*If a Pokémon with Vital Spirit is leading the party, the chance of encountering a higher-leveled wild Pokémon increases by 50%.

=== W ===
White Smoke
*If a Pokémon with White Smoke is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is decreased by 50%.

User:ZaphodBeeblebrox/Field Ability

2015-08-04T22:29:59Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: disclaimer: made for my own use initially, but others can of course utilise and build on this. text has been shortened and simplified

== List of abilities with Field effects ==

Unless otherwise noted, all effects take place in {{game|Emerald}} and ''onwards'' specifically.

=== A ===
Arena Trap
*If a Pokémon with Arena Trap is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is increased to 200%.

=== C ===
Compound Eyes
*Prior to [[Generation V]] if a Pokémon with this Ability is leading the party, even while fainted, the chance of finding a Pokémon in the [[List of Pokémon by wild held item|wild holding an item]] increases by 50%/5%/1%. After [[Generation V]], the chance increases to 60%/20%/5%.

Cute Charm
*If a Pokémon with Cute Charm is leading the party, even while fainted, the chance of encountering a Pokémon of the opposite gender is 66.7%, regardless of gender ratios. This does not affect a [[Pokémon outbreak|swarming]] Pokémon or Pokémon found in [[Hidden Grotto]].

=== F ===
Flame Body
*It halves the number of [[egg cycle|cycles]] it takes for an {{pkmn|Egg}} to hatch. It stacks with [[O-Power|Hatching Power]] but not Magma Armor.

=== H ===
Honey Gather
*A Pokémon with Honey Gather may collect [[Honey]] after a battle if it is not already holding a [[held item]]. The chance for a Pokémon with Honey Gather to pick up Honey depends on level, starting at 5% between levels 1 to 10, going up by 5% every ten levels, ending at a 50% chance between levels 91 to 100.

Hustle
*If a Pokémon with Hustle is leading the party, the chance of encountering a higher-leveled wild Pokémon increases by 50%.

Hyper Cutter
*In {{game|Emerald}} '''only''', using {{m|Cut}} will remove all [[tall grass]] within a two square radius of the player's position, instead of only one square radius.

=== I ===
Illuminate
*If a Pokémon with Illuminate is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is increased to 200%.

Immunity
*Pokémon with this Ability can't take damage from poison outside of battle.

Intimidate
*If a Pokémon with Intimidate is leading the party, there is a 50% chance that encountering Pokémon will not appear if its level is 5 levels or more below the leading Pokémon.

=== K ===
Keen Eye
*If a Pokémon with Keen Eye is leading the party, there is a 50% chance that encountering Pokémon will not appear if its level is 5 levels or more below the leading Pokémon.

=== L ===
Lightning Rod
*In {{game|Emerald}}, if a Pokémon with Lightning Rod is leading the party, Trainers registered with the [[PokéNav]] Match Call function will call more often.

=== M ===
Magma Armor
*It halves the number of [[egg cycle|cycles]] it takes for all [[Pokémon Egg]]s in the party to hatch. It stacks with [[O-Power|Hatching Power]] but not Flame Body.

Magnet Pull
*If a Pokémon with Magnet Pull is leading the party, there is a 50% chance the game will force an encounter with a Steel-type Pokémon, if one is possible.

=== N ===
*If a Pokémon with No Guard is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is increased to 150%.

=== P ===
Pickup
*After winning a battle, any Pokémon that has this Ability and is not already holding an item has a 10% chance of picking up an item. Items vary by level and generation, see [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pickup_%28Ability%29#Items_received Pickup]

Pressure
*If a Pokémon with Pressure is leading the party, the chance of encountering a higher-leveled wild Pokémon increases by 50%.

=== Q ===
Quick Feet
*If a Pokémon with Quick Feet is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is decreased by 50%.

=== S ===
Sand Veil
*If a Pokémon with Sand Veil is leading the party in an area with a sandstorm, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is decreased by 50%.

Snow Cloak
*If a Pokémon with Snow Cloak is leading the party in an area with a blizzard, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is decreased by 50%.

Static
*If a Pokémon with Static is leading the party, there is a 50% chance the game will force an encounter with an Electric-type Pokémon, if one is possible.

Stench
*If a Pokémon with Stench is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is decreased by 50%.

Sticky Hold
*If a Pokémon with Sticky Hold is leading the party, bites will occur more often while fishing.

Suction Cups
*If a Pokémon with Suction Cups is leading the party, bites will occur more often while fishing.

Swarm
*If a Pokémon with Swarm is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate increases. In Emerald specifically, the rate of the [[Cry|cries]] of [[wild Pokémon]] heard in the field is also increased.

Synchronize
*If a Pokémon with Synchronize is leading the party, there is a 50% chance that wild Pokémon encountered will have the same [[Nature]] as the Pokémon with Synchronize. Does not apply to [[roaming Pokémon]]. In Emerald, it does not apply to stationary Pokémon.

=== Vital Spirit ===
*If a Pokémon with Vital Spirit is leading the party, the chance of encountering a higher-leveled wild Pokémon increases by 50%.

=== W ===
White Smoke
*If a Pokémon with White Smoke is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is decreased by 50%.

User:ZaphodBeeblebrox/Field Ability

2015-08-04T21:55:39Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: disclaimer: made for my own use initially,but others can of course utilise and build on this. t

== List of abilities with Field effects ==

Unless otherwise noted, all effects take place after Emerald specifically.

=== A ===
Arena Trap
*If a Pokémon with Arena Trap is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is increased to 200%.

=== C ===
Compound Eyes
*Prior to [[Generation V]] if a Pokémon with this Ability is leading the party, even while fainted, the chance of finding a Pokémon in the [[List of Pokémon by wild held item|wild holding an item]] increases by 50%/5%/1%. After [[Generation V]], the chance increases to 60%/20%/5%.

Cute Charm
*If a Pokémon with Cute Charm is leading the party, even while fainted, the chance of encountering a Pokémon of the opposite gender is 66.7%, regardless of gender ratios. This does not affect a [[Pokémon outbreak|swarming]] Pokémon or Pokémon found in [[Hidden Grotto]].

=== F ===
Flame Body
*It halves the number of [[egg cycle|cycles]] it takes for an {{pkmn|Egg}} to hatch. It stacks with [[O-Power|Hatching Power]] but not Magma Armor.

=== H ===
Honey Gather
*A Pokémon with Honey Gather may collect [[Honey]] after a battle if it is not already holding a [[held item]]. The chance for a Pokémon with Honey Gather to pick up Honey depends on level, starting at 5% between levels 1 to 10, going up by 5% every ten levels, ending at a 50% chance between levels 91 to 100.

Hustle
*If a Pokémon with Hustle is leading the party, the chance of encountering a higher-leveled wild Pokémon increases by 50%.

Hyper Cutter
*In {{game|Emerald}} '''only''', using {{m|Cut}} will remove all [[tall grass]] within a two square radius of the player's position, instead of only one square radius.

=== I ===
Illuminate
*If a Pokémon with Illuminate is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is increased to 200%.

Immunity
*Pokémon with this Ability can't take damage from poison outside of battle.

Intimidate
*If a Pokémon with Intimidate is leading the party, there is a 50% chance that encountering Pokémon will not appear if its level is 5 levels or more below the leading Pokémon.

=== K ===
Keen Eye
*If a Pokémon with Keen Eye is leading the party, there is a 50% chance that encountering Pokémon will not appear if its level is 5 levels or more below the leading Pokémon.

=== L ===
Lightning Rod
*In {{game|Emerald}}, if a Pokémon with Lightning Rod is leading the party, Trainers registered with the [[PokéNav]] Match Call function will call more often.

=== M ===
Magma Armor
*It halves the number of [[egg cycle|cycles]] it takes for all [[Pokémon Egg]]s in the party to hatch. It stacks with [[O-Power|Hatching Power]] but not Flame Body.

Magnet Pull
*If a Pokémon with Magnet Pull is leading the party, there is a 50% chance the game will force an encounter with a Steel-type Pokémon, if one is possible.

=== N ===
*If a Pokémon with No Guard is leading the party, the wild Pokémon encounter rate is increased to 150%.

=== P ===
Pickup
*After winning a battle, any Pokémon that has this Ability and is not already holding an item has a 10% chance of picking up an item. Items vary by level and generation, see [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pickup_%28Ability%29#Items_received Pickup]

Pressure
*If a Pokémon with Pressure is leading the party, the chance of encountering a higher-leveled wild Pokémon increases by 50%.

Talk:Sylveon (Pokémon)

2015-08-04T18:27:41Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* about abilities... */ new section

Fairy (Egg Group)

2015-05-28T15:03:39Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Characteristics */ togepi has no pre-evolution

{{eggGroups}}
The '''Fairy Egg Group''' (Japanese: '''ようせい''' ''Fairy'') is one of the fifteen [[Egg Group]]s. As of [[Generation VI]], 47 Pokémon belong to this group.

==Characteristics==
Most Pokémon in this Egg Group are commonly known as "cute" Pokémon. The members of this group tend to not be as physically large as the members of other Egg Groups, even when fully-evolved. Many Pokémon in this group appear to be mostly a head with arms and legs in terms of body shape. A rather large amount of Pokémon from this group are also {{type|Fairy}}.

It is also noteworthy that several families that belong to this Egg Group have received a [[Baby Pokémon|pre-evolution]], either in a later generation or, in the case of {{p|Togetic}}, at the same time. There are also several families that are predominantly female.

==Pokémon==
===Only in this Egg Group===
{{egglist|FFC8F0|FFDBF5}}
{{Moveentrytm|035|Clefairy|1|Fairy|}}
{{Moveentrytm|036|Clefable|1|Fairy|}}
{{Moveentrytm|039|Jigglypuff|2|Normal|Fairy|}}
{{Moveentrytm|040|Wigglytuff|2|Normal|Fairy|}}
{{Moveentrytm|113|Chansey|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|242|Blissey|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|311|Plusle|1|Electric|}}
{{Moveentrytm|312|Minun|1|Electric|}}
{{Moveentrytm|531|Audino|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|669|Flabébé|1|Fairy|}}
{{Moveentrytm|670|Floette|1|Fairy|}}
{{Moveentrytm|671|Florges|1|Fairy|}}
{{Moveentrytm|682|Spritzee|1|Fairy|}}
{{Moveentrytm|683|Aromatisse|1|Fairy|}}
{{Moveentrytm|684|Swirlix|1|Fairy|}}
{{Moveentrytm|685|Slurpuff|1|Fairy|}}
|}
|}

===In this and another Egg Group===
{{egglist|FFC8F0|FFDBF5|dual}}
{{Moveentry|025|Pikachu|1|Electric||{{egg|Field}}}}
{{Moveentry|026|Raichu|1|Electric||{{egg|Field}}}}
{{Moveentry|176|Togetic|2|Fairy|Flying|{{egg|Flying}}}}
{{Moveentry|183|Marill|2|Water|Fairy|{{egg|Water 1}}}}
{{Moveentry|184|Azumarill|2|Water|Fairy|{{egg|Water 1}}}}
{{Moveentry|187|Hoppip|2|Grass|Flying|{{egg|Grass}}}}
{{Moveentry|188|Skiploom|2|Grass|Flying|{{egg|Grass}}}}
{{Moveentry|189|Jumpluff|2|Grass|Flying|{{egg|Grass}}}}
{{Moveentry|209|Snubbull|1|Fairy||{{egg|Field}}}}
{{Moveentry|210|Granbull|1|Fairy||{{egg|Field}}}}
{{Moveentry|285|Shroomish|1|Grass||{{egg|Grass}}}}
{{Moveentry|286|Breloom|2|Grass|Fighting|{{egg|Grass}}}}
{{Moveentry|300|Skitty|1|Normal||{{egg|Field}}}}
{{Moveentry|301|Delcatty|1|Normal||{{egg|Field}}}}
{{Moveentry|303|Mawile|2|Steel|Fairy|{{egg|Field}}}}
{{Moveentry|315|Roselia|2|Grass|Poison|{{egg|Grass}}}}
{{Moveentry|351|Castform|1|Normal||{{egg|Amorphous}}}}
{{Moveentry|361|Snorunt|1|Ice||{{egg|Mineral}}}}
{{Moveentry|362|Glalie|1|Ice||{{egg|Mineral}}}}
{{Moveentry|407|Roserade|2|Grass|Poison|{{egg|Grass}}}}
{{Moveentry|417|Pachirisu|1|Electric||{{egg|Field}}}}
{{Moveentry|420|Cherubi|1|Grass||{{egg|Grass}}}}
{{Moveentry|421|Cherrim|1|Grass||{{egg|Grass}}}}
{{Moveentry|468|Togekiss|2|Fairy|Flying|{{egg|Flying}}}}
{{Moveentry|478|Froslass|2|Ice|Ghost|{{egg|Mineral}}}}
{{Moveentry|489|Phione|1|Water||{{egg|Water 1}}}}
{{Moveentry|490|Manaphy|1|Water||{{egg|Water 1}}}}
{{Moveentry|546|Cottonee|2|Grass|Fairy|{{egg|Grass}}}}
{{Moveentry|547|Whimsicott|2|Grass|Fairy|{{egg|Grass}}}}
{{Moveentry|702|Dedenne|2|Electric|Fairy|{{egg|Field}}}}
{{Moveentry|703|Carbink|2|Rock|Fairy|{{egg|Mineral}}}}
|}
|}

==Trivia==
* Along with the {{egg3|Water 1}}, this Egg Group is the only one to contain [[Legendary Pokémon]] besides the {{egg2|Undiscovered}}.

==In other languages==
{{langtable
|color=FFC8F0|bordercolor=FFDBF5
|ja=ようせい (妖精) ''Yōsei''
|ko=요정 ''Yojeong''
|fr=Fée
|de=Fee
|it=Fata ([[Pokémon Stadium 2|Stadium 2]]) Magico
|es=Hada}}

[[de:Ei-Gruppen#Fee (Gruppe 12)]]
[[es:Hada (grupo huevo)]]
[[fr:Liste des Pokémon par groupe d'œuf#Féerique]]
[[it:Magico (gruppo uova)]]
[[ja:ようせい]]
[[zh:妖精（蛋群）]]

User talk:ZaphodBeeblebrox

2015-02-10T23:37:31Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Signature */

==Welcome==
Welcome to [[Bulbapedia]], {{BASEPAGENAME}}!

As a new user, you may wish to learn a few things that will be useful in your editing:
*For a basic overview of wiki code, see [[Help:Editing|this page]].
*The {{bp|manual of style}} is very important. Make sure to read it. It outlines all official policies of Bulbapedia.
*The word [[Pokémon]] is spelled with a capital '''P''' and an accented '''é'''. The P, of course, is accessed easily by holding Shift and pressing the P key, while the é can be accessed using Alt + 130 or Alt + 0233 on a Windows computer, and Option + e, then e again on a Mac. Otherwise, you can click it in the character palette below the editbox.
*The word [[Poké Ball]] is spelled as two words. The "Poké" part is identical to the four beginning letters in "Pokémon"; "Ball" is spelled with a captial '''B''' (which is, again, accessed by holding Shift and pressing the B key). The spelling "Pokéball" arises frequently, but is incorrect.
*The word "you" and all forms of it should not be used on encyclopedic pages unless it is a quote from Pokémon media. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, not a walkthrough.
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Thank you, and have a good time editing here! [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 21:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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== Signatures ==

Well, first thing you have to do is [[User:TinaTheKirlia/Fun/Sig|go here]]. That's it, I think, I had to use other sources as well (because my Wiki Skills are useless XD). But don't forget, on your preferences, check the little box named: '''Raw signatures (without automatic link)''' [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:All signature templates have been disallowed and deleted under the new {{bp|signature policy}}. Review the policy and edit your sig to match. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 22:22, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

{{SUBST::User:ZaphodBeeblebrox/sig}} 21:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Talk pages ==

Please don't reply to really old talk page comments as the people who started the discussion probably resolved it a long time ago (and even if they didn't, they won't be checking it). Besides, sometimes the discussion can be really out of date, like in your case (the template for Canada is Bibarel now... 'cause the beaver is our national animal. :P) Thanks! [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 21:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Signature ==

FYI, Bulbapedia's {{bp|signature policy}} requires that a user's signature contain a link to their user page (and recommends one to their talk page as well). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:26, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

yea.. see I used to have a signature with both of these.. but then there were some "signature templates" that were disallowed and I think mine has been deleted or something? it was a few years ago as you can see on my page here. sadly I don't really know what to do. my "signature" thing in preferences is completely blank, and that ought to make my signature be completely default I thought, you know? it'd be great if you could tell me exactly what is allowed in signatures these days and how I should make that happen. like images and Japanese script? or just default exactly like yours. thanks. --ZaphodBeeblebrox 23:35, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

seems i figured some stuff out. --[[User:ZaphodBeeblebrox|ZaphodBeeblebrox]] ([[User talk:ZaphodBeeblebrox|talk]]) 23:37, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

User talk:ZaphodBeeblebrox

2015-02-10T23:35:37Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Signature */

User talk:ZaphodBeeblebrox

2015-02-10T23:35:09Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Signature */

==Welcome==
Welcome to [[Bulbapedia]], {{BASEPAGENAME}}!

As a new user, you may wish to learn a few things that will be useful in your editing:
*For a basic overview of wiki code, see [[Help:Editing|this page]].
*The {{bp|manual of style}} is very important. Make sure to read it. It outlines all official policies of Bulbapedia.
*The word [[Pokémon]] is spelled with a capital '''P''' and an accented '''é'''. The P, of course, is accessed easily by holding Shift and pressing the P key, while the é can be accessed using Alt + 130 or Alt + 0233 on a Windows computer, and Option + e, then e again on a Mac. Otherwise, you can click it in the character palette below the editbox.
*The word [[Poké Ball]] is spelled as two words. The "Poké" part is identical to the four beginning letters in "Pokémon"; "Ball" is spelled with a captial '''B''' (which is, again, accessed by holding Shift and pressing the B key). The spelling "Pokéball" arises frequently, but is incorrect.
*The word "you" and all forms of it should not be used on encyclopedic pages unless it is a quote from Pokémon media. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, not a walkthrough.
*On {{bp|talk page}}s, please sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
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*If you happen to spot a vandal in the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] that has not been dealt with, please see {{bp|dealing with vandalism|this page}} for how to deal with it.
*A list of pages that are linked to, but have not been created, can be found at [[Special:Wantedpages|this page]]. A list of short articles that may require more information can be found {{cat|stubs|here}}, while a list of articles that need improvement can be found {{cat|articles needing improvement|here}}.
*A list of the admins that you can contact in case of a problem, can be found [[Special:Listusers/sysop|here]].

Thank you, and have a good time editing here! [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 21:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

-----

== Signatures ==

Well, first thing you have to do is [[User:TinaTheKirlia/Fun/Sig|go here]]. That's it, I think, I had to use other sources as well (because my Wiki Skills are useless XD). But don't forget, on your preferences, check the little box named: '''Raw signatures (without automatic link)''' [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:All signature templates have been disallowed and deleted under the new {{bp|signature policy}}. Review the policy and edit your sig to match. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 22:22, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

{{SUBST::User:ZaphodBeeblebrox/sig}} 21:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Talk pages ==

Please don't reply to really old talk page comments as the people who started the discussion probably resolved it a long time ago (and even if they didn't, they won't be checking it). Besides, sometimes the discussion can be really out of date, like in your case (the template for Canada is Bibarel now... 'cause the beaver is our national animal. :P) Thanks! [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 21:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Signature ==

FYI, Bulbapedia's {{bp|signature policy}} requires that a user's signature contain a link to their user page (and recommends one to their talk page as well). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:26, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

yea.. see I used to have a signature with both of these.. but then there were some "signature templates" that were dissolved and I think mine has been deleted or something? it was a few years ago as you can see on my page here. sadly I don't really know what to do. my "signature" thing in preferences is completely blank, and that ought to make my signature be completely default I thought, you know? it'd be great if you could tell me exactly what is allowed in signatures these days and how I should make that happen. like images and Japanese script? or just default exactly like yours. thanks. --ZaphodBeeblebrox 23:35, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Hoenn Route 123

2015-02-10T23:29:23Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* 123 Go Fish */ new section

There's been an edit war with the "Celebi glitch" mentioned. Can anyone tell me what it is? Also, if it's a glitch, then shouldn't it be left to glitch pages, and not the actual route article? --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 14:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

== Tree Maze Confusion ==

I found a Rare Candy and PP Up at the maze in the southeast corner in my Emerald game, both hidden, but the route description seems to refer to only two paths in the maze, where I clearly saw three! I have no access to Ruby or Sapphire, but did this tree maze change between the games? I suspect the PP Up to be Emerald-only because of this, but I might be wrong. I understand the description refers to Ruby and Sapphire, but the Rare Candy it mentions I found in Emerald as well. Can someone with Ruby or Sapphire help clarify this? --[[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] 06:24, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Weather conditions with Route 119 ==

This article said that there would be thunderstorms here when {{rt|119|Hoenn}} has thunderstorms, but my ([[berry glitch]]ed) game has thunder in 119 but rain here. I edited the article to try to account for it - but what happens when Route 119 has other weather conditions? [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] 01:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== CONTEST- SUPER words ==

After have some problems with those words playing with my pokemon sapphire, and a bit of research on google, I got this info about the Berry Master wife:

- To get the words "CONTEST" and "SUPER" in your vocabulary you need beat the Elite 4.([[User:.Rawr!|.Rawr!]] ([[User talk:.Rawr!|talk]]) 07:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC))

: Added to article. [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] ([[User talk:AySz88|talk]]) 00:43, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

::This information is incorrect I have successfully used all 5 codes in my version of Alpha where I have only 6 Gym badges, the only problem I had was I didn't type the first one in capitals, after that I have used all fully capitalised and they worked perfect. [[User:Tsitra|Tsitra]] ([[User talk:Tsitra|talk]]) 21:21, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
::: Might it be RSE-only, and not ORAS? [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] ([[User talk:AySz88|talk]]) 22:11, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
::: Judging by recent changes, the E4 requirement is indeed RSE-only. [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] ([[User talk:AySz88|talk]]) 18:10, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

== 123 Go Fish ==

Both this and the secret bases page mentions "123 Go Fish"
what is 123 Go Fish??!
--ZaphodBeeblebrox 23:29, 10 February 2015 (UTC) [ [[User_talk:ZaphodBeeblebrox|talk]] ]

Talk:Secret Base

2015-01-07T20:50:10Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Demolishing Super Secret Bases? */

This was really weird, but I was in my friend's secret base and he ran away and got out of range. So instead of "an earthquake" happening, I automatically walked out the door and into the blackness. Then I got a communication error! And I had to start the game over from where I last saved (above ground) and I lost all of those flags that I stole from him! [[User:Dialgarules|Dialgarules]] 22:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== furniture ==
Does anyone know if certain furniture is worth buying? I found this article but I cannot find anything on the Bulbapedia about the D/P/Pl furniture...

"Secret Bases: There are new features with secret bases as well! There are certain rare items that can be placed in a secret base. These include a TV, a mini-game console, a berry tree grower, a PC, a region map, and even a Pokemon healing machine! These items make a secret base more convenient beause it can give you a rest spot that could be faraway from a Pokemon Center! Also, after a certain point in the game, you can have two secret bases..." [[User:Kenji 03|Kenji 03]] 09:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

:It isn't surprising that there is no info; the game is still new and no one has been able to test everything yet. Where is the information you posted from, and which generation is it regarding? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

::Oh please you should have seen her article every place it read Poke not Poké and it was so blunt that for a second I thought I was visiting something out of Bulbapedia. The source was serebii and she mentioned it on the page right at the top she even mentioned that if something was missed remind her. She may not be knowing <big>but we cant do it!</big>. PS Trom come to my talk page for a second. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 10:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Is Kenji talking about Generation IV furniture? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 21:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== Idea... ==
I was wondering if it would be convenient to create a list of secret base locations in R/S/E.... That way, people would be able to browse a quick list of places to use secret power if they prefer location over size/space. Just a quick suggestion... [[User:Sceinic|Sceinic]] 02:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

== I was wondering... ==

In Gen III, what would happen if the person you mix records with has a secret base at the same location you do? And what would happen if you played underground with someone who has a secret base in the same place yours is in Gen IV? [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 04:05, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

==Locations and Layouts==
Some notes on the new sections:
*There are 75 secret bases in the list which I found using an FAQ uploaded to GameFAQs by Mew Jadester (http://www.gamefaqs.com/gba/921905-pokemon-emerald-version/faqs/32473). I personally checked all the locations and recorded their layouts (the guide has a few mistakes), and the directions written in this article were NOT copied and pasted from the FAQ, I wrote new ones.
*I wasn't sure how I name the layouts so I used Greek letter names as a stand in.
*I figured Hoenn colors were appropriate for the tables because all the base locations are in Hoenn.--[[User:The Plausible Farfetch'd|The Plausible Farfetch'd]] 22:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

== pachirisu doll??? ==

i was wondering if anyone knew were to get the pachirisu doll.pachirisu is my fave pokemon and i would really like a pachirisu doll for my secret base ♥.
[[User:Pachirisupancakes|Pachirisupancakes]] ([[User talk:Pachirisupancakes|talk]]) 14:26, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
:As it says in the [[Decoration]] article, either the Underground Hiker's or Veilstone Dept. Store. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 14:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
::The offers of Hikers are random, but I think every Pokemon from Gen IV and earlier have a doll representing them. [[User:Latias1290|Latias1290]] ([[User talk:Latias1290|talk]]) 17:32, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

== Gaps in the interior ==

Even though it's been a while since I've played any games from Gen III, I've never understood the point of the gap in the floor within some of the bases. Can something be placed there to make the section past it accessible, or is it not possible at all to cross those gaps? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|talk]]) 18:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

:When the Lilycove Department Store has its Clear-Out sales, you can buy Solid Boards to place over those holes. Keep checking the TV ads and they'll eventually have one, if the time is running. However, each Solid Board you place counts as one of the 16 decorations. [[User:Aggron989|Aggron989]] ([[User talk:Aggron989|talk]]) 23:33, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
:: However, please note that the clear-out sales only occur after the player has beaten the Elite Four and Champion. [[User:Aggron989|Aggron989]] ([[User talk:Aggron989|talk]]) 01:48, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Demolishing Super Secret Bases? ==

ugh, how do I demolish/delete/remove/ the dumb tree-base a that Alana or what's his name guy made and gave me without asking?
I don't really want to have the base there (does everyone start there and therefore so many people would know to look for it there?)
I want to decide where to put my base, but in the meantime I don't want to worry about people steeling my flag or what it was until I can decide where to put it and how to decorate it.--ZaphodBeeblebrox 18:30, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
:Have you even read how to make a secret base in the article? Read the article! It tells you! The game tells you! ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 18:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
:: uhm. no it doesn't. I did a search on the article for "remove" "demolish" and "delete" and found nothing. the game doesn't tell you. just that you *can*. further I did do quite a bit of searching online first. and found nothing. some question on yahoo. but for some reason it had been deleted.--ZaphodBeeblebrox 19:51, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
:: right, I've read through this entire article, the article on Aarune AND "Secret Power (Move)" please can you tell me the section where it says how to demolish secret bases? clearly I am blind.--ZaphodBeeblebrox 20:00, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
:::"They are available if you use Secret Power, available via TM94 on secret spots." Granted, I recently added that, but it said something similar under the Gen III section which had exactly the same mechanics as Gen VI. Use Secret Power, get secret base. Simple. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Note, I said nothing about ''creating'' bases, I said ''demolishing''. no matter, ABCboy helped me out.--ZaphodBeeblebrox 20:50, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
::::You don't need to demolish it. The game will ask you if you want to abandon your current base when you make a new base. You can't delete your base without making a new one, though. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 20:31, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
::::: ah, so you ''can't'' remove it completely, shucks. atleast in old Rub/Shapp you could chose to never even create a base if you wanted.. well, thanks so much for your information :D --ZaphodBeeblebrox 20:50, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
::::: hmm, should we explicitly *say* this though? it wasn't something I could find easily and searching for "remove" "delete" "demolish" or such found nothing, just an idea, something like.. "while it is possible relocate your base by abandoning and making a new base, it is not possible toremove your base completely once one has been created" or something to that effect?--ZaphodBeeblebrox 20:50, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Secret Base

2015-01-07T20:00:22Z

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Talk:Secret Base

2015-01-07T19:51:24Z

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2015-01-07T18:30:00Z

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Shroomish (Pokémon)

2014-12-25T19:23:12Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* By leveling up */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Masquerain | next=Breloom | prevnum=284 | nextnum=286 | type=grass}}
{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Shroomish |
jname=キノココ |
jtranslit=Kinokoko |
tmname=Kinococo |
ndex=285 |
hdex=034 |
hdex6=035 |
typebox=1 |
type1=Grass |
species=Mushroom |
height-ftin=1'04" |
height-m=0.4 |
weight-lbs=9.9 |
weight-kg=4.5 |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Effect Spore |
ability2=Poison Heal |
abilityd=Quick Feet |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Fairy |
egggroup2=Grass |
eggcycles=16 |
evtotal=1 |
evhp=1 |
expyield=59 |
oldexp=65 |
lv100exp=1,640,000 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=255 |
body=07 |
pokefordex=shroomish |
generation=3 |
friendship=70 |
}}
'''Shroomish''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''キノココ''' ''Kinococo'') is a {{type|Grass}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s into {{p|Breloom}} starting at [[level]] 23.

==Biology==
Shroomish is a small, mushroom-based Pokémon. Its upper body is peach-colored with green spots and a small opening at the top. Its lower body has frilled segments that overlap its green underside, which is round and has small, round feet. When it senses danger, it shakes its body and scatters toxic spores from the top of its head. These toxic spores can make trees and weeds wilt and cause whole body pain if inhaled. It lives in {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Forest Pokémon|forests that are damp.}} It stays in the forest shade during the day, keeping still under fallen leaves. It eats composted soil in forests, which is made up of fallen, rotten leaves.

==In the anime==
[[File:Shroomish anime.png|200px|left|thumb|Shroomish in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Shroomish appeared in ''[[AG009|Taming of the Shroomish]]''. {{Ash}} and {{Ashfr}} saved a group of these Mushroom Pokémon from having the abandoned mansion they called home from being destroyed.

Several Shroomish that {{TRT}} angered evolved into {{p|Breloom}} in ''[[AG082|A Shroomish Skirmish]]''.

A group of Shroomish appeared in ''[[SS019|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Team Go-Getters out of the Gate!]]''.

===Minor appearances===
Shroomish first appeared in ''[[EP272|Johto Photo Finish]]''.

Various Shroomish appeared in ''[[AG011|A Bite to Remember]]''.

Another one appeared in ''[[AG030|A Meditite Fight]]''.

A Shroomish appeared in ''[[AG033|Now That’s Flower Power!]]'' as a Pokémon in the Contest.

A Shroomish appeared in the opening of ''[[M06|Jirachi: Wish Maker]]''.

A Shroomish appeared in ''[[AG035|Win, Lose, or Drew!]]'' as a Pokémon in the Contest.

A Shroomish appeared in ''[[AG074|Hokey Poké Balls!]]'' along with a Nuzleaf.

Multiple Shroomish appeared in ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]''.

A Shroomish also appeared in ''[[AG093|Clamperl of Wisdom]]'' under the ownership of {{ho|Madeline}}.

Two Shroomish appeared in ''[[AG119|The Ribbon Cup Caper]]'' at the ship’s Pokémon Center.

A group of Shroomish, {{p|Sentret}}, {{p|Furret}}, {{p|Altaria}} and {{p|Swablu}} helped {{OBP|Pokémon Ranger|Ranger series}} [[Jack Walker]] when he was a young boy in a blizzard as seen in a flashback in ''[[M09|Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of Sea]]''.

Another Shroomish appeared in ''[[DP168|Keeping In Top Forme!]]'' where it was scared by {{AP|Pikachu}} and {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}} and released a {{m|PoisonPowder}}.

Multiple Shroomish made a brief cameo in ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''.

A Shroomish made a brief appearance in ''[[DP176|Coming Full-Festival Circle!]]''.

Shroomish appeared in ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]'' as a few of the many local Pokémon who lives in [[Crown City]]. A few of them worked with the other Pokémon in surrounding {{OBP|Zorua|M13}} in the park to attack him, angry at Zorua for what {{OBP|Zoroark|M13}} did to the city. Before a fight broke out, the Shroomish, along with the other Pokémon, were calmed by {{OBP|Celebi|M13}}.

A Shroomish appeared in ''[[SS026|Mewtwo — Prologue to Awakening]]''.

A group of Shroomish also appeared in ''[[M16|Genesect and the Legend Awakened]]'' at [[Pokémon Hills]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}
{{Animedexbody|AG009|Shroomish|Ash's Pokédex|Shroomish, the Mushroom Pokémon. Shroomish is mild tempered and inhabits piles of rotting leaves inside of forests.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Advanced Generation''|Hoenn}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Mitsuki Shroomish CBF.png|thumb|150px|Shroomish in Pokémon Battle Frontier]]
Shroomish have been seen both in the wild and owned by novice Trainers. 

===In the Pokémon Battle Frontier manga===
[[Mitsuki]] owns a Shroomish which first appeared in ''[[CBF1|Enta Arrives at the Battle Frontier!]]''.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Shroomish (TCG)}}

==In the TFG==
One Shroomish figure has been released.
* {{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Shroomish|34}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]: Three Shroomish are bumpers at the top of the [[Sapphire Field]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=grass}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=III}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ruby|t=FFF|entry=Shroomish live in damp soil in the dark depths of forests. They are often found keeping still under fallen leaves. This Pokémon feeds on compost that is made up of fallen, rotted leaves.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=If Shroomish senses danger, it shakes its body and scatters spores from the top of its head. This Pokémon's spores are so toxic, they make trees and weeds wilt.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=It loves to eat damp, composted soil in forests. If you enter a forest after a long rain, you can see many Shroomish feasting on composted soil.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=FireRed|v2=LeafGreen|entry=It prefers damp places. By day it remains still in the forest shade. It releases {{m|PoisonPowder|toxic powder}} from its head.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Entry3|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|v3=Platinum|entry=It spouts poison spores from the top of its head. These spores cause pain all over if inhaled.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|entry=If it senses danger, it scatters spores from the top of its head to protect itself.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=It spouts poison spores from the top of its head. These spores cause pain all over if inhaled.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=It spouts poison spores from the top of its head. These spores cause pain all over if inhaled.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=It prefers damp places. By day it remains still in the forest shade. It releases toxic powder from its head.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=It spouts poison spores from the top of its head. These spores cause pain all over if inhaled.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Omega Ruby|entry=Shroomish live in damp soil in the dark depths of forests. They are often found keeping still under fallen leaves. This Pokémon feeds on compost that is made up of fallen, rotted leaves.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|t=FFF|v=Alpha Sapphire|entry=If Shroomish senses danger, it shakes its body and scatters spores from the top of its head. This Pokémon’s spores are so toxic, they make trees and weeds wilt.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=grass}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=III}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|area=[[Petalburg Woods]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|area=[[Petalburg Woods]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=FireRed|v2=LeafGreen}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Colosseum}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=XD|t=FFF|link=Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|area=[[Shadow PKMN Lab]] {{color2|{{shadow color}}|Shadow Pokémon|(Shadow)}}}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|area=[[Great Marsh]] (After obtaining the [[National Pokédex]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Platinum|area=[[Great Marsh]] (After obtaining the [[National Pokédex]])}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|area=[[Viridian Forest]] ({{m|Headbutt}} trees) {{safari|Johto}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Pal Park|color=71AD64|link=Pal Park|area={{DL|List of Pokémon by Pal Park location|Forest}}}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Black|t=FFF|area={{rt|11|Unova}} ([[Pokémon outbreak|Swarm]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=White}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|area={{pkmn|breeding|Breed}} {{p|Breloom}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Dream World|color={{dream color}}|area={{dwa|Dream Park}}}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=X|v2=Y|t=FFF|area={{pkmn|breeding|Breed}} {{p|Breloom}}}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t2=FFF|area=[[Petalburg Woods]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=grass
|pinballrs=Hatch from Egg
|trozei=[[SOL Laboratory 2]] [[Secret Storage 17]] [[Huge Storage 2]] [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Sinister Woods]] (6F-12F) [[Joyous Tower]] (21F-25F)
|md2=[[Mt. Horn]] (1F-6F) [[Final Maze]] (B1-B48)
|ranch=Random [[Hayley's trades|trade]] with [[Hayley]]{{tt|*|Available for transfer to Diamond and Pearl.}}
|pokepark=[[Meadow Zone]]
|rumble2=Forest: [[Echo Valley]], [[Misty Edgewater]]
}}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=grass
|dppt1=Kebia Berry|dppt1type=Berry|dppt1rar=5
|hgss1=Kebia Berry|hgss1type=Berry|hgss1rar=5
|bl1=Kebia Berry|bl1type=Berry|bl1rar=5
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=grass |
HP= 60 |
Attack= 40 |
Defense=60 |
SpAtk= 40 |
SpDef= 60 |
Speed= 35 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Grass
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=3
|Power=2
|PowerMax=3
|Technique=2
|TechniqueMax=2
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=grass |
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 200 |
Ground= 50 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Shroomish|Grass|Grass|3|XY|ORAS|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|Start|Start|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25||'''|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35|||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|9|5|Stun Spore|Grass|Status|—|75|30|||Clever|2|1}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|13|8|Leech Seed|Grass|Status|—|90|10|||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|17|12|Mega Drain|Grass|Special|40|100|15||'''|Clever|2|3}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|21|15|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15|||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|25|19|Poison Powder|Poison|Status|—|75|35|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|29|22|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|37|26|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|33|29|Growth|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|N/A|33|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|41|36|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|45|40|Spore|Grass|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Shroomish|Grass|Grass|3}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Shroomish|Grass|Grass|3}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM09|Venoshock|Poison|Special|65|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM54|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Shroomish|Grass|Grass|3}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Shroomish|grass|grass|3}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|102|Exeggcute}}{{MSP|187|Hoppip}}{{MSP|188|Skiploom}}{{MSP|189|Jumpluff}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}|Bullet Seed|Grass|Physical|25|100|30||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|176|Togetic}}{{MSP|209|Snubbull}}{{MSP|210|Granbull}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|312|Minun}}{{MSP|417|Pachirisu}} {{MSP|546|Cottonee}}{{MSP|682|Spritzee}}{{MSP|683|Aromatisse}}{{MSP|702|Dedenne}}|Charm|Fairy|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|035|Clefairy}}{{MSP|036|Clefable}}{{MSP|039|Jigglypuff}}{{MSP|040|Wigglytuff}}{{MSP|044|Gloom}}{{MSP|045|Vileplume}} {{MSP|182|Bellossom}}{{MSP|176|Togetic}}{{MSP|468|Togekiss}}{{MSP|271|Lombre}}{{MSP|272|Ludicolo}}{{MSP|331|Cacnea}} {{MSP|332|Cacturne}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|286|Breloom}}{{MSP|531|Audino}}{{MSP|556|Maractus}}|Drain Punch|Fighting|Physical|75|100|10|||‡|''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|311|Plusle}}{{MSP|312|Minun}}{{MSP|684|Swirlix}}{{MSP|685|Slurpuff}}|Fake Tears|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|209|Snubbull}}|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|||*|''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|183|Marill}}{{MSP|184|Azumarill}}{{MSP|311|Plusle}}{{MSP|312|Minun}}{{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}} {{MSP|546|Cottonee}}|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|043|Oddish}}{{MSP|044|Gloom}}{{MSP|102|Exeggcute}}{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}{{MSP|152|Chikorita}} {{MSP|153|Bayleef}}{{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|270|Lotad}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}}|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|103|Exeggutor}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|286|Breloom}}|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|035|Clefairy}}{{MSP|039|Jigglypuff}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}}|Wake-Up Slap|Fighting|Physical|70|100|10||||''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|102|Exeggcute}}{{MSP|187|Hoppip}}{{MSP|188|Skiploom}} {{MSP|189|Jumpluff}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Shroomish|grass|grass|3}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Shroomish|Grass|Grass|3}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Drain Punch|Fighting|Physical|75|100|10||''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20||''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Synthesis|Grass|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Shroomish|Grass|Grass|3}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=grass |
ndex=285 |
PinRScatch=yes |
HC=H |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=7.7% |
area=Mushroom Forest |
P1=I like it where it's dark and damp. |
P2=My HP has dropped to about half. |
P3=I can't keep this up... I'm almost out of {{m|PoisonPowder|poison powder}}s... |
PL=That's my level up! My poison powders turned more toxic! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=6.4 |
iq=C |
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=1|
rumble2defense=2|
rumble2speed=3|
Pad=Shroomish came out of the crate in the [[Meadow Zone]]! Her favorite Attraction is {{DL|Attractions|Bulbasaur's Daring Dash}}.
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-2
|type1=Grass
|pictype=art
|no1=285
|name1=Shroomish
|type1-1=Grass
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 23}}
|no2=286
|name2=Breloom
|type1-2=Grass
|type2-2=Fighting}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Grass}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=III}}
{{Spritebox/3|ndex=285}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=285}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=285}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|285|Shroomish}}

==Trivia==
* Shroomish and its {{p|Breloom|evolved form}} share their species name with {{p|Paras}}, {{p|Parasect}}, {{p|Foongus}}, and {{p|Amoonguss}}. They are all known as the Mushroom Pokémon.
* Shroomish can be seen as a parallel to {{p|Paras}}. Both of them are {{type|Grass}} Pokémon. Shroomish is exclusive to [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black]], while Paras is exclusive to [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon White]], with both Pokémon found in a [[Pokémon outbreak|Mass Outbreak]] in {{rt|11|Unova|the same location}} in their respective versions. Additionally, both are based on fungi.

===Origin===
Shroomish is based on a mushroom.

====Name origin====
Shroomish is derived from ''{{wp|mushroom}}'' and the suffix ''ish'' (almost like) or ''skirmish'' ({{p|Breloom|Shroomish's evolved form}} is a {{type|Fighting}} Pokémon).

Kinococo is a combination of 茸 ''kinoko'' (mushrooms) and 子 ''ko'' (child).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=grass|type2=grass
|ja=キノココ ''Kinococo''|jameaning=From {{tt|茸 ''kinoko''|mushrooms}} and {{tt|子 ''ko''|child}}
|fr=Balignon|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|baluchon|a type of round traveling bag, typically with a knot at the top}}'' and ''{{tt|champignon|mushroom}}''
|es=Shroomish|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Knilz|demeaning=From {{tt|''Knospe''|bud}} or {{tt|''Knopf''|knob, button}} and {{tt|''Pilz''|mushroom}}
|it=Shroomish|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=버섯꼬 ''Beoseotkko''|komeaning=From {{tt|버섯 ''beoseot''|mushroom}} and {{tt|꼬마 ''kkoma''|kid}}
|zh_cmn=蘑蘑菇 ''Mómógū''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|蘑菇 ''mógū''|mushroom}} with the first character repeated
}}

 

==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Masquerain | next=Breloom | prevnum=284 | nextnum=286 | type=grass }}
{{-}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Shadow Pokémon in Pokémon XD]]

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[[ja:キノココ]]
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[[pt:Shroomish (pokémon)]]
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User talk:Glik/Sandbox

2014-12-09T18:33:41Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Sneaking moves */

==Sneaking moves==
These are Egg moves IIRC; the Poochyena spotted by May apparently has one of the elemental Fangs; which one depends on your starter. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 18:59, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
:They probably only are. Just keeping track to see if there's any mechanic behind them attached to place or whatnot. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:05, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
::hi, I am almost sure they are egg moves, I have caught Poochyena with both Fire Fang and Ice Fang, plus Play Rough, Seedot with Power Swap, and Ralts with Confuse Ray --ZaphodBeeblebrox 18:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

== Pointy bubble text. ==

G5 introduced pointy bubble text ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlVHpnAghXE&t=13m40s like here in G6]), which you may want to reflect with bold text. (This happened with Wally as you see.)[[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 15:06, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 15:34, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Chansey (Pokémon)

2014-03-07T15:21:40Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Game locations: Trade */

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== Evolves ==

Nowhere on here does it say that Chansey evolves into Blissey. I don't know where that would go, though. [[User:Dan|Dan]] 03:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:Someone was adding the evolution information for different Pokémon to each article - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]], I think. However, come to think of it, I don't think I've seen him add any more in a while, and there's still articles missing that information... if you'd like to contribute, go ahead, just make sure you follow the style that's been established (use the [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#Evolution|Bulbasaur]] article as a reference). --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 03:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

== Koala? ==
Does anyone besides me think that Chansey is based of a {{wp|Koala}}??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' 22:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:I see no resemblence between Chansey and a Koala. None at all. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

::Okay then. Well, don't you see the remeblence in the ears of the koala and the little fluffs of hair on Chansey???? The biggest similarity that I see is that they're both rounded in shape and have pouches. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' 22:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

i also see no remeblences. Dakclaw http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/c/ce/Trozeiani257.gif

I think it's just based on an egg, but they've enhanced it [[User:Bomba22|Bomba22]] 16:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu? ==

«''Chansey is one of six Pokémon that initially did not evolve into or from another Pokémon, but now is part of a three-stage evolutionary line (the other five being Electabuzz, Magmar, Porygon, Roselia and '''Pikachu''').''»

{{p|Pikachu}} in [[Generation I]] evolves in {{p|Raichu}}! --[[User:Valepert|Valepert]] 18:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Is it too late? ==

I was wondering if there was a way that my chansey could learn softboiled. I didn't evolve my happiny to chansey until it was level 24, due to my leaving exp. share on it and not paying attention. So basically I want to know if my chansey will lean softboiled, or will I have to try and catch a chansey with it already? {{unsigned|5k311ing7on}}
:You could probably go to the move relearner with a heart scal. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)I
:Thank you very much. I haven't played Pokémon since Red so I wasn't too sure what I could do.

==Pt. Rarity==

Is current;y listed as '???'....asplain plz [[User:Flyingemus|Flyingemus]] 02:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:That means we don't know the rarity yet. i.e. someone has found them in certain routes, but no-one actually knows the rarity yet. Or if they do, it has been overlooked. Based on my encounters in game, I would say that it would either be rare or uncommon. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 04:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

There is an image of two Chansey in the anime section, namely "File:EP002 008.jpg". That image has been moved to [[a:File:Pokémon Center Chansey.jpg|File:Pokémon Center Chansey.jpg]], please change the link so that the redirect at the original filename can be deleted from the Archives. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 09:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS ==
This article is incomplete.
It doesnt say what items it holds in HG/ss {{unsigned|Fishmonk}}

== Lucky Punch ==

So the [[Chansey (Pokémon)]] page says that in Generation I games, Chansey had a 100% chance to be found holding a [[Lucky Punch]]. If you click on the link [which redirects to [[Stat-enhancing item]]], it says the Lucky Punch was introduced in Generation II. One of these cannot be correct. But which one? [[User:Lostdrewid|Lostdrewid]] 02:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:They're both correct, actually. If you trade over a Chansey from RBY, it'll always be holding a Lucky Punch.
:... or so I hear. :V Anyone want to try that out to double-check? ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 02:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Noteable? ==

is it noteable that chansey's shiny sprite is possiby a refrence to green eggs and ham?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:is it also worth mentioning that this is one of the few pokemon who's evolution cycle spans 3 generations (gains an evolution in 3 different gen)--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:57, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::The green eggs and ham is more of an coincidence. and there's too many Pokemon that do that to be notable [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Cannabal? ==

Wouldn't Chansey technically be a cannibal given that it eats its own eggs for softboiled? Is Chancey the only cannible in the game? {{unsigned|Timmyg}}
:no source says it eats the eggs for softboild or that the eggs hatch into other pokemon--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:45, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gale of Darkness ==
Shouldn't it have the list of shadow moves before purification and of normal moves after? {{unsigned|‎Geographik0903}}

:Nevermind, I found it. {{unsigned|‎Geographik0903}}

== Born with eggs? ==

I guess nobody here knows. In reality, the faminine of any animal is born with a specific number of eggs, they cannot create them (So mothers can, in a way, effect the health of your grandchildren if she happens to be malnourished, etc). So it is technically fine for the chancy to have an egg (as for kangaskhan, lets say its a twin). As for happini, lets make up the story that it wants an egg, but its yet to come. [[User:Charlieb000|Charlieb000]] ([[User talk:Charlieb000|talk]]) 08:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
:First, we ''never'' make up stories regarding Pokemon information. Our information ''must'' come from the games themselves or other reliable source. Second, while all mammals are born with a certain number of eggs, they are born with said eggs in their ovaries. Chansey is born with an egg already laid, which does no happen in real life. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 12:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI Egg Moves ==

Chansey can now get Seismic Toss as an egg move. For when the egg move's template is updated to include Gen VI. --[[User:Kianglo|KiANGLO]] ''([[User talk:Kianglo|TALK]])'' 02:21, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

== Game locations: Trade ==
hi, I was wondering what it meant when it says the "Game location" in X & Y is "Trade"? like here and for example Swadloon's case. Does it mean Poké Transporter or what? That would still seem weird thought because several other pokémon's pages list "Poké Transporter" explicitly, also for example Seadra has "Trade" as it's obtainium in both XD and Colosseum. so what I'd really like to know is ''how'' do I obtain f.ex. Swadloon/Sewaddle or Chansey in X & Y ? --ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:20, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Chansey (Pokémon)

2014-03-07T15:20:51Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox:

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== Evolves ==

Nowhere on here does it say that Chansey evolves into Blissey. I don't know where that would go, though. [[User:Dan|Dan]] 03:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:Someone was adding the evolution information for different Pokémon to each article - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]], I think. However, come to think of it, I don't think I've seen him add any more in a while, and there's still articles missing that information... if you'd like to contribute, go ahead, just make sure you follow the style that's been established (use the [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#Evolution|Bulbasaur]] article as a reference). --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 03:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

== Koala? ==
Does anyone besides me think that Chansey is based of a {{wp|Koala}}??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' 22:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:I see no resemblence between Chansey and a Koala. None at all. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

::Okay then. Well, don't you see the remeblence in the ears of the koala and the little fluffs of hair on Chansey???? The biggest similarity that I see is that they're both rounded in shape and have pouches. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' 22:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

i also see no remeblences. Dakclaw http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/c/ce/Trozeiani257.gif

I think it's just based on an egg, but they've enhanced it [[User:Bomba22|Bomba22]] 16:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu? ==

«''Chansey is one of six Pokémon that initially did not evolve into or from another Pokémon, but now is part of a three-stage evolutionary line (the other five being Electabuzz, Magmar, Porygon, Roselia and '''Pikachu''').''»

{{p|Pikachu}} in [[Generation I]] evolves in {{p|Raichu}}! --[[User:Valepert|Valepert]] 18:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Is it too late? ==

I was wondering if there was a way that my chansey could learn softboiled. I didn't evolve my happiny to chansey until it was level 24, due to my leaving exp. share on it and not paying attention. So basically I want to know if my chansey will lean softboiled, or will I have to try and catch a chansey with it already? {{unsigned|5k311ing7on}}
:You could probably go to the move relearner with a heart scal. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)I
:Thank you very much. I haven't played Pokémon since Red so I wasn't too sure what I could do.

==Pt. Rarity==

Is current;y listed as '???'....asplain plz [[User:Flyingemus|Flyingemus]] 02:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:That means we don't know the rarity yet. i.e. someone has found them in certain routes, but no-one actually knows the rarity yet. Or if they do, it has been overlooked. Based on my encounters in game, I would say that it would either be rare or uncommon. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 04:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

There is an image of two Chansey in the anime section, namely "File:EP002 008.jpg". That image has been moved to [[a:File:Pokémon Center Chansey.jpg|File:Pokémon Center Chansey.jpg]], please change the link so that the redirect at the original filename can be deleted from the Archives. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 09:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS ==
This article is incomplete.
It doesnt say what items it holds in HG/ss {{unsigned|Fishmonk}}

== Lucky Punch ==

So the [[Chansey (Pokémon)]] page says that in Generation I games, Chansey had a 100% chance to be found holding a [[Lucky Punch]]. If you click on the link [which redirects to [[Stat-enhancing item]]], it says the Lucky Punch was introduced in Generation II. One of these cannot be correct. But which one? [[User:Lostdrewid|Lostdrewid]] 02:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:They're both correct, actually. If you trade over a Chansey from RBY, it'll always be holding a Lucky Punch.
:... or so I hear. :V Anyone want to try that out to double-check? ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 02:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Noteable? ==

is it noteable that chansey's shiny sprite is possiby a refrence to green eggs and ham?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:is it also worth mentioning that this is one of the few pokemon who's evolution cycle spans 3 generations (gains an evolution in 3 different gen)--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:57, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::The green eggs and ham is more of an coincidence. and there's too many Pokemon that do that to be notable [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Cannabal? ==

Wouldn't Chansey technically be a cannibal given that it eats its own eggs for softboiled? Is Chancey the only cannible in the game? {{unsigned|Timmyg}}
:no source says it eats the eggs for softboild or that the eggs hatch into other pokemon--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:45, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gale of Darkness ==
Shouldn't it have the list of shadow moves before purification and of normal moves after? {{unsigned|‎Geographik0903}}

:Nevermind, I found it. {{unsigned|‎Geographik0903}}

== Born with eggs? ==

I guess nobody here knows. In reality, the faminine of any animal is born with a specific number of eggs, they cannot create them (So mothers can, in a way, effect the health of your grandchildren if she happens to be malnourished, etc). So it is technically fine for the chancy to have an egg (as for kangaskhan, lets say its a twin). As for happini, lets make up the story that it wants an egg, but its yet to come. [[User:Charlieb000|Charlieb000]] ([[User talk:Charlieb000|talk]]) 08:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
:First, we ''never'' make up stories regarding Pokemon information. Our information ''must'' come from the games themselves or other reliable source. Second, while all mammals are born with a certain number of eggs, they are born with said eggs in their ovaries. Chansey is born with an egg already laid, which does no happen in real life. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 12:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI Egg Moves ==

Chansey can now get Seismic Toss as an egg move. For when the egg move's template is updated to include Gen VI. --[[User:Kianglo|KiANGLO]] ''([[User talk:Kianglo|TALK]])'' 02:21, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

== Game locations: Trade ==
hi, I was wondering what it meant when it says the "Game location" in X & Y is "Trade"? like here and for example Swadloon's case. Does it mean Poké Transporter or what? That would still seem weird thought because several other pokémon's pages list "Poké Transporter" explicitly, also for example Seadra has "Trade" as it's obtainium in both XD and Colosseum. so what I'd really like to know is *how* do I obtain f.ex. Swadloon/Sewaddle in X & Y ? --ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:20, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Avalugg (Pokémon)

2014-03-06T10:52:27Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: Created page with " == language question: == ''...or "lugg", which means 'pile' in Norwegian. '' : ermh, where does this information come from? :D? : afaik "lugg" is what we call the hair on t..."

== language question: ==

''...or "lugg", which means 'pile' in Norwegian. ''
: ermh, where does this information come from? :D?
: afaik "lugg" is what we call the hair on the forehead, the forelock or ''fringe''.
: I've never heard "pile" be referred to as "lugg" but rather as "hop" or haug" ~ ZaphodBeeblebrox 10:52, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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2012-12-04T13:09:40Z

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2012-12-03T20:30:04Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: Created page with "==Obtainable Pokémon== Each Pokémon has its Hidden Ability, with the exception of {{p|Rotom}}, which does not have a Hidden Ability at all. The level of Pokémon obtaine..."

==Obtainable Pokémon==
Each Pokémon has its [[Hidden Ability]], with the exception of {{p|Rotom}}, which does not have a Hidden Ability at all. The level of Pokémon obtained from this game depends on the number of badges obtained in the game they are transferred to, starting at level 5 for no badges.
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| colspan="5" align="center" style="color: #FFFFFF;" | '''Available after catching Landorus'''
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:175.png]] '''{{pcolor|Togepi|{{Unova color dark}}}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:238.png]] '''{{pcolor|Smoochum|{{Unova color dark}}}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:442.png]] '''{{pcolor|Spiritomb|{{Unova color dark}}}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:479.png]] '''{{pcolor|Rotom|{{Unova color dark}}}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
|-
| colspan="5" align="center" style="color: #FFFFFF;" | '''Available using Eureka Extensions'''
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:641T.png]] '''{{pcolor|Tornadus|{{Unova color dark}}}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:642T.png]] '''{{pcolor|Thundurus|{{Unova color dark}}}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:645T.png]] '''{{pcolor|Landorus|{{Unova color dark}}}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
|-
| colspan="5" align="center" style="color: #FFFFFF;" | '''Available using Special Extensions''' (unlocked via button combination)
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:079.png]] '''{{pcolor|Slowpoke|{{Unova color dark}}}}''' {{color|{{unova color dark}}|↑ ↓ → ← Y R L}}
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:163.png]] '''{{pcolor|Hoothoot|{{Unova color dark}}}}''' {{color|{{unova color dark}}|R L Y X ← → Y X}}
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:374.png]] '''{{pcolor|Beldum|{{Unova color dark}}}}''' {{color|{{unova color dark}}|↑ → ↓ ← X R L}}
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
|-
| colspan="5" align="center" style="color: #FFFFFF;" | '''{{color2|fff|Generation IV}} Game Card inserted {{tt|*|After catching Landorus}}'''
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:483.png]] '''{{pcolor|Dialga|{{Unova color dark}}}}'''{{sup/4|D}}
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:484.png]] '''{{pcolor|Palkia|{{Unova color dark}}}}'''{{sup/4|P}}
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:487.png]] '''{{pcolor|Giratina|{{Unova color dark}}}}'''{{sup/4|Pt}}
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:250.png]] '''{{pcolor|Ho-Oh|{{Unova color dark}}}}'''{{sup/4|HG}}
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:249.png]] '''{{pcolor|Lugia|{{Unova color dark}}}}'''{{sup/4|SS}}
|}

==Obtainable items==
{| style="background: #{{Unova color dark}}; text-align: center; font-size:85%; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{Unova color}}"
|-
| colspan="4" align="center" style="color: #FFFFFF;" | '''Available from start of game'''
|-
| colspan="1" style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Red Shard Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Shard#Red Shard|Red Shard}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Blue Shard Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Shard#Blue Shard|Blue Shard}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Yellow Shard Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Shard#Yellow Shard|Yellow Shard}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Green Shard Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Shard#Green Shard|Green Shard}}'''
|-fEvio
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag PP Up Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Vitamin#PP Up|PP Up}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Leppa Berry Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Leppa Berry}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Revive Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Revive#Revive|Revive}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
|-
| colspan="4" align="center" style="color: #FFFFFF;" | '''Available after catching Tornadus'''
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Max Revive Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Revive#Max Revive|Max Revive}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Sun Stone Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Evolutionary stone#Sun Stone|Sun Stone}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Moon Stone Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Evolutionary stone#Moon Stone|Moon Stone}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
|-
| colspan="4" align="center" style="color: #FFFFFF;" | '''Available after catching Thundurus'''
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Fire Stone Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Evolutionary stone#Fire Stone|Fire Stone}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Water Stone Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Evolutionary stone#Water Stone|Water Stone}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Thunderstone Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Evolutionary stone#Thunderstone|Thunderstone}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Leaf Stone Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Evolutionary stone#Leaf Stone|Leaf Stone}}'''
|-
| colspan="4" align="center" style="color: #FFFFFF;" | '''Available after catching Landorus'''
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Sacred Ash Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Sacred Ash}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Rare Candy Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Vitamin#Rare Candy|Rare Candy}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
|-
| colspan="4" align="center" style="color: #FFFFFF;" | '''Available using Simulator α'''
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Star Piece Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Exchangeable item#Star Piece|Star Piece}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Heart Scale Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Exchangeable item#Heart Scale|Heart Scale}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag PP Up Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Vitamin#PP Up|PP Up}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Max Revive Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Revive#Max Revive|Max Revive}}'''
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Rare Candy Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Vitamin#Rare Candy|Rare Candy}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Life Orb Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|In-battle effect item#Life Orb|Life Orb}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
|-
| colspan="5" align="center" style="color: #FFFFFF;" | '''Available using Simulator β'''
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Star Piece Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Exchangeable item#Star Piece|Star Piece}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Heart Scale Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Exchangeable item#Heart Scale|Heart Scale}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Rare Candy Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Vitamin#Rare Candy|Rare Candy}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Dawn Stone Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Evolutionary stone#Dawn Stone|Dawn Stone}}'''
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag King's Rock Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Evolution-inducing held item#King's Rock|King's Rock}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Focus Sash Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|In-battle effect item#Focus Sash|Focus Sash}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
|-
| colspan="5" align="center" style="color: #FFFFFF;" | '''Available using Simulator γ'''
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Star Piece Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Exchangeable item#Star Piece|Star Piece}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Heart Scale Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Exchangeable item#Heart Scale|Heart Scale}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Rare Candy Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Vitamin#Rare Candy|Rare Candy}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Life Orb Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|In-battle effect item#Life Orb|Life Orb}}'''
|-
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Focus Sash Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|In-battle effect item#Focus Sash|Focus Sash}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" | [[File:Bag Eviolite Sprite.png]] '''{{color2|{{Unova color dark}}|Stat-enhancing item#Eviolite|Eviolite}}'''
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
| style="width:80px; background:#{{Unova color light}};" |
|}

Talk:Kingdra (Pokémon)

2012-01-08T12:03:49Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox:

== Name origin ==

Two things. One, shouldn't it's German name origin be "seA dragon king" instead of "seE dragon king"? Two, wouldn't you say Kingdra more percisely resembles a [[wp:Leafy_sea_dragon|leafy sea dragon]]? {{unsigned|ANinyMouse}}

Germans spell Ice "eis", tea "tee", and sea "see." [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 04:35, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Alright. You learn something new everyday. --[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 06:57, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:If the English names represent anything, several Pokémon names are, or contain, mis-spelled English words. Some examples are {{P|Jynx}}, {{P|Onix}} and {{P|Staryu}}. Does German do the same?[[User:User142|User142]] | [[User talk:User142|Talk]] 11:25, 3 January 2006 (CST)

==Kingdra / King Ghidora?==
Something just occured to me: Kingdra (キングドラ) is very close to King Ghidora (キングギドラ), the famous rival of Godzilla. Aside from King Ghidora containing an extra katakana, they're the same word. Granted, the creatures don't look similar at all, aside from both being dragon-like, but does anyone think that this could be the inspiration for the name? '''[[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]]'''[[Image:Ani241MS.gif]][[User_Talk:Bikini Miltank|Moo, I say.]] 18:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Kingudora vs Kingugidora. Possible, but the name section's all speculation anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 01:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Flash Cannon ==

Why can Kingdra learn Flash Cannon, but not Solarbeam. I know it may have to do with the type of Kingdra, but the moves are both close to the same idea. Both store and release light. Any ideas? --[[User:PsychicRider|PsychicRider]] 03:14, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Light is the least important... it's just because of the type combination. Yeah, if you think I didn't notice, Typhlosion learns solarbeam in Gen IV, but that's an exception. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:25, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== 360 degrees worthy for the trivia? ==

This was on the main page: Did you know ''that Kingdra can rotate thair heads 360 degrees?''
I might add it if I get no opposition {{unsigned|Cat2killer}}

Um, no, that is a Did you know, or did you know that. If you have a better Idea then submit it to an administrator and they'll edit the main page, please sign your comments.--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokémon lovers]] [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Any questions?]] [[Special:Random|Click here]] 21:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

When does a Kingdra do this anyway? Anime? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 12:29, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

:Clair's Gym battle with Ash in ''[[EP252|Fangs for Nothin']]'' (Vs. {{AP|Noctowl}}). Look '''[[a:File:Kingdra 360.png|here]]'''. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

::That's 180 degrees. Unless it turned to the left to attack backwards, and then kept going, then no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== Damaging Empoleon ==
Yes, Kingra can't learn any move (except {{m|Hidden Power}}) to damage {{p|Empoleon}} at least normally. It was already written here, then deleted, now it is here again. Do we need this trivia? Now we have a lot of new Pokemon, which can't damage some other, like {{p|Doredia}}, learning only Grass and Normal moves (except {{m|Hidden Power}} and {{m|Dream Eater}}) can't damage {{p|Metagross}}, or ... or any {{type2|Steel}} Pokemon. Similary, {{p|Baibanira}} can't scratch Steel. --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 18:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
:Too slow, I know...--[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 18:04, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

== About fire ==

Does kingdra the only dragon type that can't learn fire type move? jomphol 12:04, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:Kyurem, Zekrom and [[Eon duo]] (not counting Sunny Day) also can't.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 12:22, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
But kingdra could not even learn sunny day
:Neither can Kyu/Zek.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 12:32, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

== Physiology? ==

The last sentence of the Physiology says that Kingdra's color relates to Blastoise. Yeah, um, the only similarity is that they're blue and have brownish bellies, but they're different shades. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|"FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2"]] 17:45, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:That does sound silly, and it sounds like an opinion to me (I personally never thought of Kingdra looking like Blastoise at all). Got rid of it. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:56, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

== Swim/Float ==

Can Kingdra Float/fly as well as swim or just swim does anybody know?>[[User:Emeraldben|Emeraldben]] 23:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:No, I've never seen Kingdra fly. What gave you that idea? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:20, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Nothing, its always been in the back of my mind also in pokemon adventures Kingdra is like floating next to clair [[User:Emeraldben|Emeraldben]] 23:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
::It's just a way for it to move out of water. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:31, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Right, I thought it did, should it be added to the article [[User:Emeraldben|Emeraldben]] 23:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

== Wrong trivia ==
From the Trivia section: ''"Kingdra was the first Dragon-type Pokémon not to be part of the Dratini evolution family."''
...Except, it ''is'' part of the Dratini evolutionary family? this seems wrong. ZaphodBeeblebrox 11:55, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:Urm... Kingdra is part of the Horsea evolutionary family, not Dratini. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 11:56, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
oh, derp, sorry on my part! XD I read "dratini" as "Horsea" for some reason, silly.. carry on then ! ZaphodBeeblebrox 12:03, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Kingdra (Pokémon)

2012-01-08T11:55:09Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox:

== Name origin ==

Two things. One, shouldn't it's German name origin be "seA dragon king" instead of "seE dragon king"? Two, wouldn't you say Kingdra more percisely resembles a [[wp:Leafy_sea_dragon|leafy sea dragon]]? {{unsigned|ANinyMouse}}

Germans spell Ice "eis", tea "tee", and sea "see." [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 04:35, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Alright. You learn something new everyday. --[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 06:57, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:If the English names represent anything, several Pokémon names are, or contain, mis-spelled English words. Some examples are {{P|Jynx}}, {{P|Onix}} and {{P|Staryu}}. Does German do the same?[[User:User142|User142]] | [[User talk:User142|Talk]] 11:25, 3 January 2006 (CST)

==Kingdra / King Ghidora?==
Something just occured to me: Kingdra (キングドラ) is very close to King Ghidora (キングギドラ), the famous rival of Godzilla. Aside from King Ghidora containing an extra katakana, they're the same word. Granted, the creatures don't look similar at all, aside from both being dragon-like, but does anyone think that this could be the inspiration for the name? '''[[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]]'''[[Image:Ani241MS.gif]][[User_Talk:Bikini Miltank|Moo, I say.]] 18:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Kingudora vs Kingugidora. Possible, but the name section's all speculation anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 01:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Flash Cannon ==

Why can Kingdra learn Flash Cannon, but not Solarbeam. I know it may have to do with the type of Kingdra, but the moves are both close to the same idea. Both store and release light. Any ideas? --[[User:PsychicRider|PsychicRider]] 03:14, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Light is the least important... it's just because of the type combination. Yeah, if you think I didn't notice, Typhlosion learns solarbeam in Gen IV, but that's an exception. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:25, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== 360 degrees worthy for the trivia? ==

This was on the main page: Did you know ''that Kingdra can rotate thair heads 360 degrees?''
I might add it if I get no opposition {{unsigned|Cat2killer}}

Um, no, that is a Did you know, or did you know that. If you have a better Idea then submit it to an administrator and they'll edit the main page, please sign your comments.--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokémon lovers]] [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Any questions?]] [[Special:Random|Click here]] 21:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

When does a Kingdra do this anyway? Anime? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 12:29, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

:Clair's Gym battle with Ash in ''[[EP252|Fangs for Nothin']]'' (Vs. {{AP|Noctowl}}). Look '''[[a:File:Kingdra 360.png|here]]'''. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

::That's 180 degrees. Unless it turned to the left to attack backwards, and then kept going, then no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== Damaging Empoleon ==
Yes, Kingra can't learn any move (except {{m|Hidden Power}}) to damage {{p|Empoleon}} at least normally. It was already written here, then deleted, now it is here again. Do we need this trivia? Now we have a lot of new Pokemon, which can't damage some other, like {{p|Doredia}}, learning only Grass and Normal moves (except {{m|Hidden Power}} and {{m|Dream Eater}}) can't damage {{p|Metagross}}, or ... or any {{type2|Steel}} Pokemon. Similary, {{p|Baibanira}} can't scratch Steel. --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 18:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
:Too slow, I know...--[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 18:04, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

== About fire ==

Does kingdra the only dragon type that can't learn fire type move? jomphol 12:04, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:Kyurem, Zekrom and [[Eon duo]] (not counting Sunny Day) also can't.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 12:22, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
But kingdra could not even learn sunny day
:Neither can Kyu/Zek.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 12:32, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

== Physiology? ==

The last sentence of the Physiology says that Kingdra's color relates to Blastoise. Yeah, um, the only similarity is that they're blue and have brownish bellies, but they're different shades. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|"FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2"]] 17:45, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:That does sound silly, and it sounds like an opinion to me (I personally never thought of Kingdra looking like Blastoise at all). Got rid of it. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:56, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

== Swim/Float ==

Can Kingdra Float/fly as well as swim or just swim does anybody know?>[[User:Emeraldben|Emeraldben]] 23:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:No, I've never seen Kingdra fly. What gave you that idea? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:20, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Nothing, its always been in the back of my mind also in pokemon adventures Kingdra is like floating next to clair [[User:Emeraldben|Emeraldben]] 23:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
::It's just a way for it to move out of water. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:31, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Right, I thought it did, should it be added to the article [[User:Emeraldben|Emeraldben]] 23:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

From the Trivia section: ''"Kingdra was the first Dragon-type Pokémon not to be part of the Dratini evolution family."''
...Except, it ''is'' part of the Dratini evolutionary family? this seems wrong. ZaphodBeeblebrox 11:55, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Ribbon Syndicate

2011-02-27T11:02:47Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: clearify, different and that one type counts as one.

{{Infobox location
|image=Ribbonsyndicate.png
|type=land
|image_size=256
|japanese_name=リボンシンジケート
|translated_name=Ribbon Syndicate
|location_name=Ribbon Syndicate
|location=[[Resort Area]]
|region=Sinnoh
|generation={{gen|IV}}
|map=Resort Area.png
}}

The '''Ribbon Syndicate''' (Japanese:'''リボンシンジケート''' ''Ribbon Syndicate'') is a building located in the [[Resort Area]] of the [[Battle Zone]]. It is difficult to miss with its large size and giant decorative ribbon over the doorway. A {{pkmn|Coordinator}} must have at least 10 ''different'' kinds of [[Ribbons]] spread among their current [[Pokémon]] party to gain access to the building. (For example, 6 Sinnoh Champ ribbons only count as 1)

==Places of Interest==
===Ribbon Counter===
One of the notable things about the syndicate is that they offer incredibly expensive ribbons, which act mostly as signs of status rather than merit. The counter is located on the first floor, just beyond the entry. The lady there will offer each ribbon one at a time according to the price; the Gorgeous Ribbon first, then the Royal Ribbon, and finally the Royal Gorgeous Ribbon.
 
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{poison color}}; border: 3px solid #{{poison color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{poison color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}"|Gorgeous Ribbon
!style="background: #{{poison color light}};"|Royal Ribbon
!style="background: #{{poison color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}"|Gorgeous Royal Ribbon
|- style="background: #FFFFFF"
|align=center|[[File:Gorgeous_Ribbon.png‎]]
|align=center|[[File:Royal Ribbon.png]]
|align=center|[[File:Gorgeous Royal Ribbon.png]]
|- style="background: #FFFFFF"
|align=center|{{PDollar}}10,000
|align=center|{{PDollar}}100,000
|align=center|{{PDollar}}999,999
|}
 

===Spa===
The syndicate also features a spa on the top floor. A visit to this spa, like grooming in the earlier games, makes a Pokémon more [[happiness|friendly]]. They can only accept five Syndicate members a day and a Trainer who receives a massage may not receive another until the next day.

==Trivia==
*The spa treatment happens to have [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|diamonds and pearls]] as ingredients.
*The Royal Gorgeous Ribbon is the most expensive purchasable item that has appeared in the series, excluding items that are listed for {{PDollar}}1,000,000 - the player cannot actually purchase these as having more than {{PDollar}}999,999 is not possible.
*Even if the player has a walk through walls cheat, they cannot gain access to the Ribbon Syndicate without having the required number of ribbons.
*In {{game|Platinum}}, [[Fantina]] claims to be a member of the Ribbon Syndicate.

==Glitches==
*In {{game|Platinum}}, when on the second floor of the Ribbon Syndicate, if the player is one space away from the wall to the right of the elevator door, the wallpaper will bend diagonally downwards.

==In other languages==
*French: '''Club Ruban'''
*Italian: '''Associazione Fiocchi'''
*Spanish: '''Sindicato de las Cintas'''

{{Project Locations notice}}
[[Category:Sinnoh locations]]
[[Category:Diamond and Pearl locations]]
[[Category:Platinum locations]]
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Dungeon tile

2011-01-27T22:12:24Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Traps */

{{Incomplete}}
'''Dungeon tiles''' are game elements exclusive to [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team]] and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|its sequel]]. In each dungeon, the floor is made up of square sections called "dungeon tiles." The square shape is typically not evident if a {{player}} is simply looking at the floor, but the tiles can be seen by performing certain actions.

==Dungeon Tiles==

* '''Stairs''' - To further advance in a dungeon, a player must find the stairs. On the last floor of most dungeons, it will take the team out of the dungeon.

* '''Warp Points''' - Warp Points are found at the last floor of some optional dungeons. It instantly warps the team out of the dungeon.

* '''Wonder Tile''' - Varying numbers of these can be found on a floor, if the dungeon contains them at all. If there is a yellow arrow above the player's or partner's head (indicating a status problem such as lowered defense, accuracy, etc.), stepping on one of these will restore the normal state. However, it also cancels stat increments of the Pokémon.

* '''Carpet''' - If the player finds a {{p|Kecleon}} shop, items are placed on these. The player may either buy or steal the items; however, thieves are confronted by many high-level Kecleon.

==Traps==
'''Traps''' are special dungeon tiles that makes the game harder to play. These tiles can make the team's Pokémon lose [[HP]], {{PP}}, inflict [[status conditions]], etc. These tiles will ''not'' affect enemy Pokémon unless spawned by a player's {{DL|Wonder Orb|Trapper Orb}}.

* '''Chestnut Trap'''- When stepped on, it will drop chestnuts onto the Pokémon who stepped on it, taking away 10 HP.

* '''Pitfall Trap''' - If the player steps on it, it will inflict 5 HP damage and take the team to the next floor of the dungeon. When an ally steps on it, the team member will be instantly removed from the dungeon.

* ''' Sticky Trap ''' - If the player steps on this tile, it will make the player's hold item sticky and useless until they leave the dungeon. If an ally steps on it, it will make their hold item sticky. If the player steps on the tile and is not holding an item, a random item in the inventory will become sticky. If an ally is not holding an item and steps on it, nothing will happen. Stickiness can be removed with a Cleanse Orb. In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]] the player can also have them cleaned by {{p|Lickilicky}} in the Secret Bazaar for the price of {{PDollar}}100.

* '''Selfdestruct Trap''' - This tile explodes when stepped on, and does damage to Pokémon within a 1-tile radius. It will take away half of the player's and allies current HP, and does 40 damage to wild Pokémon. It also destroys items and walls within the radius. Unless a Pokémon that has the ability {{a|Drizzle}} or {{a|Damp}} on the floor, or if the weather is Rain, damage will be caused. {{type2|Fire}} Pokémon will only take half damage.

* '''Explosion Trap''' - Similar to the Selfdestruct Trap, this tile explodes when stepped on and does damage to Pokémon within a 2-tile radius. It will take away half of the player's and allies current HP, and does 80 damage to wild Pokémon. It also destroys items and walls within the radius. Unless there is a Pokémon that has the ability {{a|Drizzle}} or {{a|Damp}} on the floor, or is the weather is Rain, damage will be caused. {{type2|Fire}} Pokémon will only take half damage.

* '''Warp Trap''' - This tile warps any Pokémon who steps on it to a random floor tile on the same floor.

* '''Spiked Tile''' - Any Pokémon that steps on a Spiked Tile will lose 20 HP.

* '''Grimy Trap''' - A random few Apples, Big Apples, Huge Apples, Golden Apples, Chestnuts, Bananas, or other edible food sources in the player's bag will be turned into Grimy Food. Grimy Food restores the player's Belly by 30, but gives a [[Status ailment|status condition]]. Pokémon with a Survivalist IQ can sometimes bypass this side effect.

* '''Slow Trap''' - Temporarily lowers the Pokémon's {{Stat|Speed}} by one.

* '''Spin Trap''' - Inflicts the {{Status|Confusion|Confuse}} condition on the Pokémon who stepped on it.

* '''Pokémon Trap''' - All unclaimed items in the same room turn into enemy Pokémon of the species that naturally occur on that floor.

* '''PP-Zero Trap''' - The Pokémon who triggered the Trap will have one of its move's PP reduced to 0.

* '''Seal Trap''' - One move belonging to the Pokémon who stepped on this tile can no longer be used. This wears off upon reaching the next floor; a [[Heal Seed]], {{m|Rest}}, {{m|Healing Wish}}, or {{m|Lunar Dance}} can also remove the seal. The ability {{a|Guts}} activates if the Pokémon has a sealed move.

* '''Mud Trap''' - Mud splashes up from this Trap, lowering any of the Pokémon's Stats, {{Stat|Attack}}, {{Stat|Defense}}, {{Stat|Special Attack}} or {{Stat|Special Defense}}.

* '''Slumber Trap''' - This Trap puts the Pokémon who stepped on it to sleep.

* '''Summon Trap''' - 1 to 4 Pokémon that are naturally found on that floor will appear on the squares adjacent to this Trap.

* '''Gust Trap''' - Sends the triggerer flying 10 squares in a random direction. If the Pokémon hits another Pokémon or a wall it will lose 5 HP (as will the other Pokémon in the former case).

* '''Poison Trap''' - Inflicts the {{Status|Poison}} condition on any Pokémon who steps on it. Won't work on {{type2|Poison}} or {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon, or those with the ability {{a|Immunity}}.

* '''Trip Trap''' -Makes the Pokémon who stepped on it trip and drop its [[held item]].

* '''Grudge Trap''' - Warps all wild Pokémon around the Pokémon that triggered the trap and gives all wild Pokémon on the floor "grudge" status. This usually results in all [[power points]] being drained away.

* '''Random Trap''' - Can become any type of trap in the game. The Random Trap will not work if it is [[drizzle|drizzling]] or is there is a Pokémon with {{a|Damp}} on the floor. This trap affects all team members in the room.

==Other==
There are many other tiles present, which limits the access to only specific Pokémon.

*'''Water tiles''' - Special areas of water, which only {{type2|Water}} Pokémon, Pokémon who fly or levitate, and Pokémon with the [[IQ]] skill All-Terrain Hiker can walk through. {{m|Dive}} can only be used on these tiles and {{m|Dig}} cannot be used on these tiles.

*'''Lava''' - Special areas of lava, which only {{type2|Fire}} Pokémon, Pokémon who fly or levitate, and Pokémon with the IQ skill All-Terrain Hiker can walk through. However, a Pokémon that is not a Fire-type or that does not have the Lava Walker IQ Skill will be [[burn]]ed when walking through lava. {{m|Dig}} cannot be used on these tiles.

*'''Walls''' - Walls surround dungeons; however, some Pokémon which seem to fly or levitate, such as {{type2|Ghost}} Pokémon, can pass through on top of them. However, passing through walls makes the belly drop five times faster than the average speed (strangely, this only applies to the player and not to partners or enemies). Walls can also be passed through if the player uses a Mobile Orb, holds a Mobile Scarf, or has the IQ skill Super Mobile or Absolute Mover

*'''Air''' - Holes in the dungeon's floor that can only be crossed by Flying/Levitating Pokémon or those with the IQ skill All-Terrain Hiker. {{m|Dig}} cannot be used on these tiles.

{{Special tiles}}
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[[Category:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]

Steam Cave

2011-01-22T23:22:36Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox:

{{DungeonPrevNext|Foggy Forest|Amp Plains|2}}
{{Dungeon infobox
|colorscheme=bug
|bordercolorscheme=bug
|name=Steam Cave
|jname=ねっすいのどうくつ
|jtrans=Hot Water Cave
|image=Steam cave screen.png
|recruitable=Yes
|floors=16
|rest=No
|traps=No
|items=48
|money=Allowed
|teamsize=4
|startlevel=Current
|maintype={{t|Bug}}
|boss=Fake {{p|Groudon}}{{tt|*|First visit}} {{p|Uxie}}{{tt|*|After credits, until recruited|First visit}}
}}

[[Image:Steam Cave.png|left|thumb|The entrance to Steam Cave]]
'''Steam Cave''' (Japanese: '''ねっすいのどうくつ''' ''Hot Water Cave'') is an unlockable dungeon in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]] and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]], that can be obtained by activating the Groudon Statue with the Drought Stone to clear the fog at [[Foggy Forest]]. The first boss encountered in this dungeon is a fake {{p|Groudon}}, an illusion created by {{mdc|Uxie|2}}'s psychic powers, who truly guards the area.

After the credits, Uxie will be the boss of the dungeon.
{{left clear}}
==Pokémon Encountered==
{{mdloc/h|bug}}
{{mdloc|083|Farfetch'd|1-8|?|6.4}}
{{mdloc|193|Yanma|1-8|15|8.2}}
{{mdloc|209|Snubbull|1-8|17|6.4}}
{{mdloc|218|Slugma|1-8|15|8.2}}
{{mdloc|240|Magby|1-8|15|8.2}}
{{mdloc|322|Numel|1-8|13|6.4}}
{{mdloc|402|Kricketune|1-11|16-17|4.5}}
{{mdloc|210|Granbull|9-15|?|0.5}}
{{mdloc|213|Shuckle|9-15|19|8.2}}
{{mdloc|313|Volbeat|9-15|18|8.2}}
{{mdloc|314|Illumise|9-15|18|8.2}}
{{mdloc|126|Magmar|10-15|?|0.5}}
{{mdloc|383|Groudon|16|30|0|boss=yes}}
{{mdloc|480|Uxie|16|42|100|boss=yes}}
{{mdloc/f|bug|The (fake) Groudon can only be found the first time around.}}
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Talk:Chatot (Pokémon)

2010-05-07T15:31:30Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Pronunciation of the name */

==What?==
Anyone know what move [[a:Image:Chatot 115 move.png|this]] is? *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 13:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:That's {{m|Featherdance}}. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 14:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Pronunciation of the name ==
Is the name "Chatot" pronounced "shah-TOH" or "CHAE-tit"?--[[User:Hitmonlee|Hitmonlee]] 15:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:It's pronounced "CHA-tot", just like the way it looks. And please, sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> next time. Thanks. '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 15:17, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sorry.--[[User:Hitmonlee|Hitmonlee]] 15:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:::It's <code>/tʃɑtɔt/</code> actually...'''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Er, why would you think it's pronounced like a French word...?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::I always thought that when I said "Charap" enough times it sounded like "shut up" (something you might say to an irritating chatterbird XD) ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:31, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Spots ==
[[File:Spr b g4 441.png|thumb|Look closely at the head.]]
Is the backsprite supposed to have black spots on it? The shiny doesn't. [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 01:47, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:Uh black spots??? o_O; --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::No — I just checked and there aren't any black spots on Chatot's backsprite, so what the heck are they doing there. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 03:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The only thing I can think of is that that image was originally a .GIF. GIFs occasionally do weird things like that.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Looks like another oddity from the original sprite rip. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:50, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

== Chatot's cry ==

So.. I'm kinda wondering how someone can get "Chatot" out of its cry. If anything I'm hearing "Perappu~", but I didn't want to change the trivia (such as removing it altogether or altering it) to see if anyone hears "Chatot" (or if they can hear what I can) in its name. So um.. am I insane or should the trivia section be changed? And am I making any sense? ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 04:41, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:Someone misunderstood what I put on the [[cry]] page. I said Chatot says its name as its cry. People just assumed I meant it said "Chatot". The problem has been fixed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:49, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== The cry trivia==

This is very different from the others. Clefairy's and Togepi's cries are made of old sound bytes from the GB and can be hard to understand. Chatot's cry is clear as a bell and it was made with a more advance sound system. Therefor it should be an exception. Anyone who thinks it's an opinion can't hear correctly. That's like saying that Baron Alberto's outfit looking like Lickilicky is an opinion. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:I don't hear a ''t'' sound at the end, and I'm not at all certain that there's a ''ch'' sound at the beginning. Wouldn't it all be a big hokey coincidence anyway given that the cry existed before the English name was created? (Also, I was fairly certain he was dressed like a Murkrow...) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::It says "Perapuu"... That's what I meant. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Should have checked the talk page before I tested, huh.... but no. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Novelty Pokémon

2010-05-07T15:28:45Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Legitimacy of this page */

==Smeargle==

Smeargle is in the OU tier, but the article states that it is not used frequently[[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 17:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:We generally don't base the content of the articles here off of Smogon's tiers. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 18:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

=='Cute' Pokémon==

should we list some of the pokemon that seem to only be there to attr4act customers (eg. Pichu, Pachirisu etc) --[[User:Titan|TiT]][[User_Talk:Titan|An]] 18:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:That would be too opinionated. Some people might think that Probopass is cute, and want to add it to this list. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

== Why is Pachirisu novelty? ==

It has decent stats. I don't see why it's in here. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:05, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

:It's novelty because its stats are not competitive-reliable. A combination of Speed and Special Defense for an Electric Pokemon is weird. It does not have very high Special Attack, like most Electrics do. Its movepool is extremely shadowed, and its paper-thin regular Defense stat really hurts its butt. [[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] 03:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::Those are all good reasons for why Pachirisu isn't viable competitively, but they don't make it a novelty (That's not intended as a slight at Timson622222, since the question did relate to stats). I really think the definition of novelty Pokémon needs to be tightened, before this page ends up listing every non-evolving Pokémon with poor stats. Pachirisu, Volbeat, Luvdisc and Sableye don't have any compelling reasons to be here. Even Farfetch'd is stretching things a bit, to be honest.[[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 21:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
:::So in your opinion, what IS a novelty Pokemon? Oh yeah, and Luvdisc is pathetic. [[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] 00:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::::In my opinion? A Pokémon designed around a particular novelty or gimmick, in terms of in-game function. Thus you have Ditto, Kecleon, Castform, Unown, Smeargle and so on. Spinda's gimmick is purely cosmetic, but it probably qualifies too. Your opinion on the parameters may vary, but that's my understanding of the term.
::::Now, it's true that the article as currently written defines a novelty Pokémon as basically any non-evolving weak Pokémon with a shallow movepool. Firstly, this has never been my understanding of the term 'novelty Pokémon', and secondly, if we're going to use that definition then we might as well give up now, since what constitutes a weak Pokémon is highly subjective. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 11:12, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Most Pokémon on that list have something unique. My opinion is that Sableye (unique type combination, so what? unique abilities, others have them too), Kecleon (again, unique abilities), Volbeat ([[Signature move]] is for that), Delibird (see the previous one), Luvdisc (unique held item, so what?) and Pachirisu (NOTHING special) do not belong here. Others have something notable to mention. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::I agree with Pachirisu being taken off. The page only puts Pachirisu there because of it being "weak" and the only other reason it gives is that it can learn Super Fang. By that definition Rattata should be on this list. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 11:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Additionally, the assumption that these Pokémon are "novelty Pokémon" means that the list may not be able to remain very consistent. After all, Pachirisu could be made infinitely more usable if given a stronger evolution. Ditto (not the Pokémon!) for Farfetch'd and Sableye, although I think Luvdisc's only real role being a source for Heart Scales, it's plenty appropriate on this list. Similarly, Volbeat and Illumise were basically made for the same reason as Plusle and Minun: to showcase the double battle system. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:57, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:There's a case to be made for Kecleon remaining, at least. Kecleon is built around its unique ability, whereas the same can't be said for Sableye, which only has Stall in 50% of cases. Back in Gen 1, Porygon's possession of two unique moves, one of them (Conversion) being rather quirky, might have put it in contention for this list too. Of course, if we're restricting this list to Pokémon with no evolutions, then it no longer qualifies.
:We need to decide which features define novelty Pokémon, and which are features that novelty Pokémon just usually have. The most contentious one, to my mind, is 'weakness'. Does a Pokémon have to be weak in order to qualify as a novelty, or is it just the case that most novelty Pokémon happen to be weak? You can make the case for either. The term 'novelty' does imply something that is entertaining but of limited practical use. On the other hand, Arceus is designed around the Multitype gimmick, and certainly isn't weak.
:I'm willing to be persuaded either way on this. I just think that we need some proper criteria for inclusion, be they strict or inclusive, because right now the article is very muddled. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 14:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Abra ==

Do you think Abra could be classed as a novelty Pokémon? Although it has useful evolutions, it is not particularly useful unevolved, except for Teleporting. And being able to teleport is a novelty! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 22:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:Pokemon that evolve arent novelty because they evolve. also, Abra can learn TMs, making it useful. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

== Illumise ==

Volbeat is classified here (and to be honest, I agree). However shouldn't that classify Illumise as one as well. I think that they, like Plusle and Minun, where added for the sake of double battles. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 22:15, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

== Legitimacy of this page ==

Is it just me, or is this page really just a list of of Pokémon that people consider weak? Rather then ones with unusual gimmicks to them. It may need a rewrite to reflect this... [[User:PDL|PDL]] 04:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:Agree with you on that one. Basically this page considers every small non-legendary Pokémon that can't evolve as novelty. I trained a Pachirisu before, and it's actually stronger than a Pikachu. Yet it's on this page and Pikachu isn't.

:I believed novelty Pokémon as ones that have something particularly unique about them (like the learn only one move or have different forms). But now it just means "weak" Pokémon. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Which ones do you specifically find fault with? I agree, a Pokémon should not be listed here because it is not useful in battle. So let's have some discussion about what doesn't belong. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Farfetch'd, Sableye, Volbeat, Luvdisc, and Pachirisu. They don't have any real visible gimmicks to them. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Luvdisc and Heart Scale? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Combee and Honey? Paras/Parasect and Mushrooms? How come those are not there but Luvdisc is? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:18, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Paras(ect) wasn't created for the sake of giving out mushrooms, it got that "attribute" in GSC, therefore it doesn't count. Though Combee/Vespiqueen might fit in the novelty category, not only for giving out honeys, but also for being created to showcase Gen IV's "feature" of gender-based evolutions. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh. And how do you know that Luvdisc was created solely for giving out Heart Scales? Did you ask its creators? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Because a) They're heart-shaped, b) they debuted in the same gen as Heart Scales (unlike Paras which debuted a gen prior to the introduction of mushrooms as items), c) they're the main source of Heart Scales (the other source, the use of the Itemfinder, doesn't provide you with infinite scales), and d) providing with Heart Scales is the only thing they're good at? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 04:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::That's all a matter of opinion. Unless you have words from the creator that they were only made for getting Heart Scales then it's speculations. And not every Luvdisc holds a Heart Scale. Also, it seems the only reason that Paras isn't a gimmick Pokémon is because it happened to be made BEFORE Gen II. Well who's to say that they didn't make Luvdisc first and then the Heart Scales? So was Bibarel made to give out Oran Berries? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::''"It seems the only reason that Paras isn't a gimmick Pokémon is because it happened to be made BEFORE Gen II."''
::::::::::If you're trying to say that I'm defending it just because I'm biased in favor of Gen I Pokémon, then you're wrong. I have no problem with Ditto or Farfetch'd being here.
::::::::::''"Well who's to say that they didn't make Luvdisc first and then the Heart Scales?"''
::::::::::The same could be said about most Pokémon in the list. Who's to say that they didn't make Smeargle first and then the move Sketch?
::::::::::''"So was Bibarel made to give out Oran Berries?"''
::::::::::Was Bibarel introduced along with Oran Berries? Is Bibarel shaped like a Oran Berry? Is Bibarel the only Pokémon that can be found holding a Oran Berry? Then bad comparison. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 05:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::"Providing Heart Scales is the only thing they're good at"
::::::::::: That's sounds like a biased statement. Unlike with Smeargle, they actually do more than just hold Heart Scales. They are compatible with many TMs and HMs and can learn a variety of different moves by leveling up.

::::::::::: Smeargle is an entirely different story. The only thing it can do is learn Sketch. It's painfully obvious that's its gimmick. It doesn't matter whether the move Sketch was first or not. Sketch is all Smeargle can do. Another difference between Smeargle.

::::::::::: And Luvdisc isn't exactly the main source of Heart Scales anymore. While that was the most effected way to get them in Generation III, You neglected to mention the mass amounts of Heart Scales found in the Underground in Sinnoh. It's a way more effective way of obtaining them. Of course, this doesn't do any good in HGSS, but Luvdisc can't be found at all in those game. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

its a fanon term, so its definition lies solely on the fans. for example, Pachirisu is useable, but most fans consider them a novelty because they are severely outclassed by other Pokemon that do the same job. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:44, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:But there are a lot of fans HERE who are disputing which Pokémon on the list could truly be considered novelty. In fact, everywhere that I've seen such a list the acceptance of its contents has been anything but unanimous. Couldn't the list be revised in accordance with some of these (IMO) well thought-out and logical arguments?
:(I too have issues with some of the things on this list. Pachirisu is hardly just a novelty Pokémon, as it is one of the few Pokémon which can have the ability Pickup. And Farfetch'd is the only flying-type which can have False Swipe by normal means.) --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::it refers to competitive battling. using a Pokemon for False Swipe or Pickup is honestly, exactly what "novelty" is. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::3 things, first off Scyther learns False Swipe naturally and is Flying-Type (Yes, i know what you meant XD). Second, why is Ditto on the list? I use him, and none of my friends can beat the whole 'can ''perfectly'' turn into your opponent's pokemon' thing, especially if you give it all around items like Wise Glasses or Muscle Band. Third, why is Shuckle here?! Seriously have you ever heard of Power Swap (Might be Power Trick, not sure right now), it gives it an IMMENSE offense... But yes i do agree some pokemon are just gimmicks and are of no real use, but some are just unusual and have a practical yet uncommon use. Please let's not make this a 'big' thing, I simply think that some pokemon are wrongly confined here, but some not so much... Why does Luvdisc even exist still, I thought they died out after the underground came into existence... - [[User:Geomexis|Geomexis]] 00:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:Ditto is one of the only Pokémon to learn Transform. Shuckle can get Berry Juice. Luvdisc I don't know. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::Ditto can do a lot of things on the battle, but it cant to any of them well. its so slow it probably wont even survive long enough for it to Transform. if you are beating someone using a Ditto, they better re-evaluate their team, because it really sucks. Shuckle i admit is arguable, not because of Power Trick (which btw makes its defense 10 and leaves it completely open to death) but because it is a tank, which can be useable to some people. Luvdisc is pretty much the definition of novelty. it is outclassed on the battlefield by even some unevolved Pokemon. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:05, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Sableye and Farfetch'd not being her. In Sapphire, Sable was one of my team members, it kicked ass, in pkmn yellow my strongest poké was a traded in Farfetch'd.
Probably can be said the same for Luvdisc and Pachirisu as well (I think Pachirisu is here mainly because the previous gens' "Pikachu-clones" Minun and Plusle are here.)
There needs to be a set definite for what "gimmick" means, I mean hell, I used to think Lickitung was pretty gimmicky, with it's tongue and stuff (to much sushi caper in pokémon stadium lol)ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:28, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== The Point? ==

I don't see the point of this article. It is not giving information, and has basically become a battleground. Does anyone have a reason for keeping it up? I mean a good reason?[[User:StarlightCoordinator|Starlight is Beauty...]] 17:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== ??? ==

Farfetched via trade in Generation I? Can someone explain how this happens, and why it is novelty. In Sapphire i trained a Farfetch'd and it was amazing in power! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 19:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Pokégear

2010-05-05T23:08:55Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Trainer phone listing */

[[File:PokéGear HGSS m.png|thumb|right|Blue Pokégear in HeartGold and SoulSilver]]
[[File:PokéGear HGSS f.png|thumb|Pink Pokégear in HeartGold and SoulSilver]]
'''Pokémon Gear''' (Japanese: '''ポケモンギア''' ''Pokémon Gear''), or more commonly just '''Pokégear''' (Japanese: '''ポケギア''' ''Pokégear''), is an electronic device found in [[Johto]]. It looks like a large, advanced wristwatch with the [[Silph Co.]] logo on it. It was first introduced in [[Generation II]]; the [[Hoenn]] region's analog to the Pokégear appears to be the [[PokéNav]], while the [[Sinnoh]] counterpart is the [[Pokétch]].

The Pokégear is an important tool for {{pkmn|Trainer}}s, some see it necessary to have one on a Trainer's adventure. The main character of {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} receives a Pokégear from their mother at the start of their journey. The {{player}} is able to have access to the Pokégear by selecting it from the [[menu]]. At that, it is easy to navigate through the Pokégear by selecting through four different functions located at the top-left of the screen. It displays the map of the region, names of previously fought Trainers, and the current time. It also allows players to call registered Trainers. Certain functions need to be unlocked during the game by receiving special expansion cards.

The Pokégear returns in the Generation IV remakes, {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}. The interface has been completely redesigned, using both screens on the [[Nintendo DS]]. The top will always display the time function on the Pokégear, while the touch screen will display the other different functions of the Pokégear, as well as selecting other functions using the touch screen. The outer aesthetics of the Pokégear have changed abruptly as well. The whole Pokégear is a flip top, while the bottom section of the Pokégear is used to scan special expansion cards to upgrade it with other functions. Its color skin is changeable between blue, pink, a [[Team Rocket]] theme, a Japanese dojo theme, a Pokémon League theme, and teal-and-white with a Silph Co. theme.

==Functions==
[[File:PokeGear.png|thumb|150px|right|Pokégear artwork from [[Generation II]]]]
The Pokégear's functionality comes from the several features and applications that can be installed in it, making it extensible. Many people are willing to give away special expansion cards to upgrade the Pokégear with other functions. In {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}, there are 4 available functions, two of which are included with the Pokégear. The rest are not available at the start but can be received at a later time.

===Time===
Included in {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} with the Pokégear, the time function is the most basic feature. The Pokégear will {{wp|digital clock|digitally}} display the time of day using the {{wp|12-hour clock|12-hour AM/PM format}} as well as the day of the week. It runs off of the time the {{player}} input at the beginning of the game.

A glitch in Gold and Silver will change the day if the functions are scrolled through; this was addressed in Crystal. A function in Gold and Silver that allowed players to reset the game's time in the title screen was also removed from Crystal.

In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, the time will always be displayed on the top screen of the DS. However, unlike in Gold, Silver, and Crystal, the time is displayed using the {{wp|24-hour clock|24-hour format}} instead of the {{wp|12-hour clock|12-hour format}} and runs on the [[Nintendo DS]]'s internal clock, much like the Pokétch. There is also a wireless signal measurement next to the time, though it has no purpose and always displays the same.
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<gallery>
File:PokéGearTime.png|The time function in {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
File:PokéGearPhone_HGSS.png‎|The top screen in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
</gallery>

===Map===
Obtained after the player receives a map card for the Pokégear after taking a tour of [[Cherrygrove City]] from the Guide Gent, the map function of the Pokégear acts as a [[Town Map]], displaying a map of [[Johto]] and later [[Kanto]] with cities, towns and other important landmarks. It is the most basic of the map devices used by the {{player}}, and is the navigational item for all [[Generation II]] games.

In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, the mechanics of the map remain the same, only to have several added features, including the ability to zoom in to display areas of interest, with certain locations having a small flavor text. There is another feature that allows the player to add notes and markings to different locations, to allow the player to make notes about each area about the Pokémon in the area, any [[Apricorn]] or [[Berry]] trees, any special buildings, [[TM]] locations or any other notes. These notes will appear on the top screen when the player highlights that specific area on the map. Like the Marking Map on the [[Pokétch]], it also displays the current locations of all [[Roaming Pokémon]], including {{p|Entei}} and {{p|Raikou}}.

<gallery>
File:PokéGearMap.png|The map function in {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}, displaying the map for [[Johto]]
File:PokéGearMap HGSS.png|The map function in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, displaying the map for [[Johto]]
</gallery>

===Phone===
[[File:PokéGearPhone.png|thumb|right|The phone function in [[Generation II]]]]
[[File:HGSSPokéGearPhone.png|thumb|right|The phone function in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}]]
Included in {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} with the Pokégear, the phone function on the Pokégear will function like a cellphone, allowing the user to make calls to people that they've traded phone numbers with. This allows the player to talk to other characters and learn information from them, such as battling tips or when rare Pokémon appear. The player can also store numbers of other important people, like their [[mom]], or [[Professor Elm]]. Mom will also ring every so often, telling the {{player}} about the money she has saved (if opted for by the player) and occasionally buys decorations for the [[bedroom]], or items such as {{DL|Potion|Super Potion}}s. The phone function has a memory bank that can save up to ten people on the phone.

In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, the phone function makes a return, and is used in the same way. The player is able to select a person to call from the touch screen, and is able to call them. It is also able to store many more numbers in its memory with no limit than the same function in Generation II. The player's [[mom]] once again provides her unique money-saving services.

====Trainer phone listing====
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! Person !! Location !! Notes
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|| [[Biker]] Aiden || [[Route 17]] ||
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|| Biker Ernest || Route 17 ||
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|| Biker Reese || Route 17 ||
|-
|| [[Bill]] || [[Goldenrod City]] || Calls when Bill's PC box is full.{{sup|GSC}}
|-
|| [[Bird Keeper]] Jose || [[Route 27]] || Gives away [[Valuable item#Stardust and Star Piece|Star Piece]]s.
|-
|| Bird Keeper Josh || [[Route 14]] || Gives away [[Valuable item#Shiny stone|Shiny Stone]]s.
|-
|| Bird Keeper Vance || [[Route 44]] || Gives away {{DL|Vitamin|Carbos}}.
|-
|| {{OBP|Black Belt|Trainer class}} Kenji || [[Route 45]] || Gives away {{DL|Vitamin|PP Up}}s during random lunch breaks at noon.
|-
|| [[Buena]] || [[Goldenrod City]] || Obtainable after getting 30 Blue Card points. {{sup|C}}{{sup|HGSS}}
|-
|| [[Bug Catcher]] Arnie || [[Route 35]] || Calls during a {{p|Yanma}} swarm.
|-
|| Bug Catcher Doug || [[Route 2]] ||
|-
|| Bug Catcher Rob || Route 2 ||
|-
|| Bug Catcher Wade || [[Route 31]] || Reminds player of the [[Bug-Catching Contest]]. Gives away [[Berry|berries]].
|-
|| [[Camper]] Tanner || [[Route 13]] ||
|-
|| Camper Todd || [[Route 34]] || Reminds player of the [[Goldenrod Department Store]]'s [[Goldenrod Department Store#Rooftop|bargain sale]].{{sup|GSC}}
|-
|| Childhood Friend Ethan/Lyra || [[New Bark Town]] ||
|-
|| [[Ace Trainer|Cool Trainer]] Beth{{tt|*|Gold and Silver and Crystal}}/Ace Trainer Jamie{{tt|*|HeartGold and SoulSilver}} || Route 27 ||
|-
|| Cool Trainer Gaven || Route 27 ||
|-
|| Cool Trainer Reena || [[Route 26]] ||
|-
|| Day Care Lady || Route 34 ||
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|| Day Care Man || Route 34 ||
|-
|| [[Firebreather]] Walt || [[Route 35]] ||
|-
|| [[Fisherman|Fisher]] Chris{{tt|*|Gold and Silver}}/Tully{{tt|*|Crystal and HeartGold and SoulSilver}} || [[Route 42]] || Gives away {{evostone|Water Stone}}s.{{sup|C}}{{sup|HGSS}}
|-
|| Fisher Kyle || [[Route 12]] ||
|-
|| Fisher Kyler || Route 12 ||
|-
|| Fisher Ralph || [[Route 32]] || Calls during a {{p|Qwilfish}} swarm.
|-
|| Fisher Wilton || Route 44 || Calls during a {{p|Remoraid}} swarm, and gives away various [[Poké Ball]]s.
|-
|| [[Gentleman]] Alfred || [[Glitter Lighthouse]] ||
|-
|| [[Hiker]] Anthony || [[Route 33]] || Calls during a {{p|Dunsparce}} swarm.
|-
|| Hiker Kenny || Route 13 ||
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|| Hiker Parry || Route 45 || Calls during a {{p|Marill}} swarm, and gives away {{DL|Vitamin|Iron}}
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|| [[Juggler]] Irwin || Route 35 ||
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|| [[Lass]] Dana || [[Route 38]] || Gives away {{evostone|Thunderstone}}s.{{sup|C}}{{sup|HGSS}}
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|| Lass Krise || [[National Park]] ||
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|| [[Mom]]{{tt|*|cannot be removed from phone in Gold and Silver and Crystal}} || New Bark Town || Saves the player's money and buys items.
|-
|| [[Picnicker]] Erin || [[Route 46]] ||
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|| Picnicker Gina || Route 34 || Gives away {{evostone|Leaf Stone}}s.{{sup|C}}{{sup|HGSS}}
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|| Picnicker Liz || Route 32 ||
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|| Picnicker Tiffany || [[Route 43]] ||
|-
|| Pokéball Creator [[Kurt]] || [[Azalea Town]] ||
|-
|| [[PokéFan]] Beverly || [[National Park]] || Requires {{p|Marill}} in party{{sup|C}}: Gives away [[Nugget]]s.{{sup|C}}{{sup|HGSS}}
|-
|| PokéFan Derek || [[Route 39]] ||
|-
|| [[PokéManiac]] Brent || Route 43 ||
|-
|| [[Professor Elm]]{{tt|*|cannot be removed from phone in Gold and Silver and Crystal}} || New Bark Town || Calls about major events.
|-
|| [[Professor Oak]] || [[Pallet Town]] ||
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|| Safari Warden [[Baoba]] || [[Johto Safari Zone]] ||
|-
|| [[Schoolboy]] Alan || [[Route 36]] || Gives away {{evostone|Fire Stone}}s.{{sup|C}}{{sup|HGSS}}
|-
|| Schoolboy Billy || [[Route 15]] ||
|-
|| Schoolboy Chad || Route 38 || Calls during a {{p|Snubbull}} swarm.
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|| Schoolboy Jack || National Park ||
|-
|| Schoolboy Torin || Route 14||
|-
|| [[Sailor]] Huey || Glitter Lighthouse || Gives away {{DL|Vitamin|Protein}}
|-
|| [[Teacher]] Hillary || Route 15 ||
|-
|| [[Twins]] Kay & Tia || Route 15 ||
|-
|| [[Young Couple]] Tim & Sue || Route 13 ||
|-
|| [[Youngster]] Ian || Route 34 ||
|-
|| Youngster [[Joey]] || [[Route 30]] || Gives away {{DL|Vitamin|HP Up}}.
|-
|}
|}

The rematch concept is expanded in HeartGold and SoulSilver to allow players to rematch the Gym Leaders of Johto and Kanto. The phone numbers for most of the sixteen Leaders can be obtained before the {{badge|Earth}} has been obtained, but rematches with the gym leaders cannot be scheduled until after {{ga|Blue}} has been defeated. By speaking with them at the appropriate time and place, players can obtain their phone numbers. At a later, specified date, the player can call the Leader and ask for a rematch. The Leader will always accept, and the battle will be fought at [[Saffron City]]'s [[Fighting Dojo]].

====Gym Leader phone listing====
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! Leader !! Time and Location of Phone Number !! Time of Battle
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|| [[Falkner]] || [[Celadon City]] [[Celadon Department Store|Department Store]] on Mondays, must have beaten Janine || Saturday morning
|-
|| [[Bugsy]] || [[Ilex Forest]] or [[Viridian Forest]] on Thursdays || Thursday afternoon
|-
|| [[Whitney]] || [[Goldenrod City]] [[Goldenrod Department Store|Department Store]] Saturday and Sunday from 12:00 PM to 4:00 PM || Saturday afternoon
|-
|| [[Morty]] || [[Bell Tower|Bellchime Trail]] on Mondays and Tuesdays || Tuesday night
|-
|| [[Chuck]] || From [[Chuck's wife]] || Wednesday night
|-
|| [[Jasmine]] || [[Olivine City]] diner every day between 1:00 PM and 2:00 PM || Wednesday afternoon
|-
|| [[Pryce]] || [[Lake of Rage]] on Saturdays between 6:00 AM and 10:00 AM || Monday morning
|-
|| [[Clair]] || [[Dragon's Den]] every morning between 6:00 AM and 10:00 AM, must have beaten [[Lance]] and her in a double battle. || Friday night
|-
|| [[Brock]] || [[Diglett's Cave]] every day between 12:00 PM and 3:00 PM, must have beaten Blue || Saturday night
|-
|| [[Misty]] || [[Route 25]] unless {{p|Suicune}} is present, every day between 4:00 PM and 6:00 PM, must have beaten Blue || Wednesday morning
|-
|| [[Lt. Surge]] || [[Power Plant]] after {{p|Zapdos}} is captured or defeated, but only between 9:00 AM and 11:00 AM, and only if the player is {{pkmn2|walking}} with a {{p|Pikachu}} || Friday morning
|-
|| [[Erika]] || [[Celadon City]] fountain on Saturdays and Sundays between 2:00 PM and 5:00 PM || Sunday morning
|-
|| [[Sabrina]] || [[Olivine City]] harbor on Fridays at any time. Must have S.S. Ticket. || Sunday afternoon
|-
|| [[Janine]] || [[Pokémon League Reception Gate]] every evening between 4:00 PM and 6:00 PM || Monday afternoon
|-
|| [[Blaine]] || [[Cinnabar Island]] on Tuesdays at any time, must have beaten Blue || Tuesday afternoon
|-
|| {{ga|Blue}} || From [[Daisy Oak]] after having at least seven massages and showing her a Pokémon with full happiness || Sunday night
|-
|}
|}

===Radio===
Obtained after the Radio Card is received from a quiz host at the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]], the radio function allows music to be played like a radio. The Pokégear functions as a radio that allows the player to listen to the radio stations within the game being broadcast from the Radio Tower. This allows the player to get tips from [[Professor Oak]] and [[DJ Mary]] on Oak's Pokémon Talk, affect how active wild Pokémon are by playing Pokémon March or Pokémon Lullaby on the Pokémon Music station, or listen to the Lucky Channel to keep track of the Radio Tower's lottery promotion.

When the {{player}} travels into [[Kanto]] in Crystal, he/she will not receive a signal for the radio, and must obtain an EXPN Card to tune into certain stations in [[Kanto]]; this is obtained from someone at the [[Lavender Radio Tower]] after restoring the power to Kanto. In Gold and Silver, the EXPN Card is only required for the Poké Flute station.

In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, the radio function makes a return, and is received in the same way it was in [[Generation II]]. Tuning can be done in two ways, moving the indicator around the globe using the stylus, or selecting one of the four radio stations. Similar radio stations appear. As in Crystal, the EXPN Card is required for all stations in Kanto.

<gallery>
File:PokéGearRadio.png|The radio function in {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
File:PokéGearRadio HGSS.png|The radio function in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
</gallery>

====Radio shows====
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! width=20% style="text-align:center" | Program
! width=10% | Host(s)
! width=10% | Channel
! width=50% | Description
|-
| [[Pokédex Show]]
| (no host)
| 4.5 (Johto) 4 AM-10 AM only, [[Generation II]] only
| A show that broadcasts [[Pokédex]] entries gathered by the player.
|-
| [[Professor Oak's Pokémon Talk]]
| [[Professor Oak]], [[DJ Mary]]
| 4.5 (Johto)/Station 2 (HGSS) 10 AM-4 AM only in [[Generation II]], all day in [[Generation IV]]
| Talk show discussing locations where semi-rare Pokémon can be found. Also speaks about [[Mass Outbreak|swarms]] and where Sinnoh/Hoenn Pokémon currently reside.
|-
| [[Pokémon Music Channel|Pokémon Music]]
| [[Ben|DJ Ben]]
| 7.5 (Johto)/Station 1 (HGSS)
| Broadcasts different music to different effects depending on the [[days of the week|day of the week]].
|-
| [[Lucky Channel]]
| [[Reed]]
| 8.5 (Johto)
| Broadcasts one ID per week; trainers who come to the welcome center with a Pokémon whose ID is similar will win a prize (G/S/C only).
|-
| [[Buena's Password]]
| [[Buena]]
| 10.5 (Johto)
| Broadcasts one password per night between 6 PM-12 AM; trainers who come to Buena and recite the password can get points redeemable for prizes (Crystal only).
|-
| [[Variety Channel]]
| [[Silver Drama]]/Buena
| Station 4
| Broadcasts [[Buena's Password]] channel with a couple more new features. Aside from the aforementioned channel, there's a few other new channels that are broadcast in different schedules (HG/SS only).
|-
| [[Town Channel]]
| Unknown
| Station 3
| Broadcasts a show called "That Town, These People" that selects the top 3 landmarks or persons in any given city or town. Switches with the Street Corner Channel every hour (HGSS only).
|-
| [[Street Corner Channel]]
| Snap
| Station 3
| Broadcasts a show called "Trainer Profiles", which describes a randomly selected trainer class. Switches with the Town Channel every hour (HGSS only).
|-
| Un(kn)own Radio Station (Shown as "Mysterious Transmission")
| {{p|Unown}}
| 13.5 (Johto)
| Strange noises will play. [[Ruins of Alph]] only. It must be tuned into manually using the stylus in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, while normal stations assigned to the radio's buttons will not play in the Ruins of Alph. In [[Generation IV]], it also increases the chance of encountering an {{p|Unown}} [[Form differences#Unown|shape]] the player has not yet encountered. Sounds similar to the [[Azure Flute]].
|-
| [[Places and People]]
| [[DJ Lily]]
| 16.5 (Kanto)
| Talk show discussing [[Kanto]] locations or trainers the player has faced. Requires EXPN Card in {{game|Crystal}} (G/S/C only).
|-
| [[Pokémon Music Channel|Let's All Sing]]
| [[Fern|DJ Fern]]
| 18.5 (Kanto)
| Broadcasts different music to different effects depending on the day of the week. Requires EXPN Card in {{game|Crystal}} (G/S/C only).
|-
| [[Poké Flute]]
| (no host)
| 20 (Kanto)
| Plays Poké Flute music. Used to awaken {{p|Snorlax}}. Requires EXPN Card. Must be tuned to manually in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
|-
| Team Rocket evolution signal (Shown as "Radio Transmission")
| [[Team Rocket HQ]]
| 20.5 (Johto)
| An eerie tune plays over and over. Only plays in [[Mahogany Town]], [[Route 43]], and [[Lake of Rage]] and causes interference that prevents the radio from tuning in to other stations in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}. No longer plays when the player has cleared the Team Rocket HQ.
|-
| Team Rocket Announcement (replaces other radio station)
| [[Team Rocket]]
| Every radio station (Johto)
| Plays on every radio station once Team Rocket has succeeded in taking over the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower|Radio Tower]]. A Team Rocket executive announces over the airwaves that they have rejoined, and pleads their boss, [[Giovanni]], to come out of hiding and rejoin them. Begins playing once the player has obtained seven badges, no longer plays when Team Rocket disbands.
|}
|}

==In the anime==
[[File:HGSS Pokegear anime.png|200px|right|thumb|Brock's Pokégear]]
In the anime, it is shown that the Pokégear has at least two designs, a black one and a white and pink one. Several characters in the anime own Pokégears:
* {{mov|Lisa}} lent hers to Ash so that he could keep in contact with Professor Oak in ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown]]''.
* {{jo|Jimmy}}, {{jo|Marina}} and [[Vincent]] all own Pokégears. A plot point of ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'' is that it includes a tracking system to show where the other Pokégears currently are.
[[File:PokeGear anime.PNG|200px|right|thumb|Misty's Pokégear]]
* {{an|Misty}} also owns one, so that she can keep in contact with [[The Sensational Sisters|her sisters]] at the [[Cerulean Gym]].
* {{an|Lyra}} owns the new version of the Pokégear, and she owns a pink model. Likewise, her friend [[Khoury]] owns a blue model.
* {{an|Brock}} received his own Pokégear at the end of ''[[DP147|Bagged Then Tagged!]]'' when he was given one by [[Khoury's father]]. It has been used fairly regularly by him since then, normally being used by Brock to track the group's location (similar to how [[Max]] did with the [[PokéNav]]).

==In the TCG==
The {{TCG ID|Neo Genesis|PokéGear|88}} appears as a card in the {{TCG|Neo Genesis}} set. The redesigned version, {{TCG ID|HeartGold & SoulSilver|Pokégear 3.0|96}}, appears as a card in the {{TCG|HeartGold & SoulSilver}} expansion.

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Walkthrough:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver/Part 7

2010-04-26T21:56:06Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* The Burned Tower */

<center> This is the Bulbapedia walkthrough for [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions]]. This walkthrough follows the remade [[Nintendo DS]] versions, not {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}. The guide for those can be found [[Appendix:HeartGold and SoulSilver walkthrough|here]].</center>

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== Ecruteak City ==
[[Image:HGSS Ecruteak City.png|thumb|300px|right|Ecruteak City]]

Welcome to {{ci|Ecruteak}}. The city has an air of mystery surrounding it, with all but one of Johto's legendary Pokémon having ties to the area. Upon entering the local Poké Center, Trainers will run into [[Bill]], the inventor of the PC Storage System. The city holds a few unique attractions; the Kimono Dance Theater, and what remains of the twin towers: the [[Burned Tower]] in the west, and the [[Bell Tower]] in the east.

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{{Itlistbod|Hyper Potion|In the center of the city (hidden)|HGSS}}
{{Itlistbod|Rare Candy|Southeast of the fountain pond (hidden)|HGSS}}
{{Itlistbod|Ultra Ball|On a postlight near the western guardhouse (hidden)|HGSS}}
{{Itlistbod|Ether|Just outside of the Burned Tower, in the pile of scorched timbers (hidden)|HGSS}}
{{Itlistfoot|road}}
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=== Bill to the Rescue! ===

Stop by the Poké Center and you will find [[Bill]]. It seems that he has just enabled Wi-Fi capabilities for every Poké Center in Johto. He leaves on his way home to {{ci|Goldenrod}}, but pay him a visit sometime to receive an {{p|Eevee}}, a rare Pokémon that can evolve into one of seven variations.

=== Find that Treasure! ===

Stop inside the house between the Poké Center and the Gym. Talk to the guy inside, and he'll give you the {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Dowsing MCHN}}. This handy machine shows up on the touch screen, and reacts to hidden objects nearby with lights and rapid noise. Use it all over the region, because you never know where you'll find a treasure!

=== Kimono Dance Theater ===

As you enter the building, one of the [[Kimono Girl]]s is on the stage yelling at [[Team Rocket|an intruder]] that's harassing her. Step up onto the stage and beat the Rocket grunt to scare him off. As you step down from the stage, a member of the audience thanks you for getting rid of the Rocket, and gives you {{HM|03|Surf}}. This allows you to swim across any body of water, small or large, after obtaining Ecruteak's Gym badge.

=== Detour for an HM ===

Take a quick detour and head east from the city. Grab the {{TM|65|Shadow Claw}} to the north, and walk east towards [[Mt Mortar]]'s western entrance. When you approach the mountain, a Hiker will run out of the cave, and give you {{HM|04|Strength}}, which lets you move small boulders around. Now return to Ecruteak.

=== The Burned Tower ===

The site of the charred, crumbling ruins of the Brass Tower is located in the city's northwest district. Now known as the [[Burned Tower]], it was once as majestic as its counterpart, the [[Bell Tower]] in the east. Built 700 years ago, it was said to be the roost of {{p|Lugia|an immense, silver-colored Pokémon}}. However, 150 years ago, a lightning bolt struck the tower, igniting an intense fire that raged for three days. The silver Pokémon that roosted here, and {{p|Ho-Oh|the glorious, rainbow-colored Pokémon}} that roosted on the Bell Tower, escaped to the skies unharmed, and a sudden downpour quenched the fire. The silver Pokémon was chased off by the inferno, while the rainbow Pokémon resurrected [[Legendary beasts|three nameless Pokémon]] that perished in the blaze before flying off as well.

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Immediately upon entering the tower, you will see two people investigating the ruins. One is [[Morty]], the Ecruteak Gym Leader, and the other is [[Eusine]], Morty's friend. Both are very knowledgeable of the legends that surround the city. Eusine, an expert researcher on the legendary beasts, has even dedicated his life to tracking and meeting {{p|Suicune}} face-to-face. He would appear to be close to his goal, as [[Legendary beasts|three regal-looking Pokémon]] are visible through the charred hole in the floor, standing motionless on the lower level. After the two explain the city's legend, walk to the north to find [[Silver (game)|your rival]] again.

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!{{MS|158|Totodile (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Totodile}}:
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|{{Party|color={{SoulSilver color}}|headcolor={{SoulSilver color light}}|bordercolor={{SoulSilver color dark}}
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|}

After battling the rival, you are free to explore the rest of the tower. Fight the two Firebreathers and grab the handful of items on the first floor, and then climb downstairs to the basement. The legendary beasts will awaken when you try to step down the stairs near the ladder. {{p|Raikou}} and {{p|Entei}} leap quickly around the room before running off, and {{p|Suicune}}, pausing a moment to examine your character, follows the others a short time later. [[Eusine]] hurries down the ladder and marvels at seeing Suicune, as he's been chasing it for so long. Now that the beasts are awake, you can track down Raikou and Entei by using the PokéGear's Map function. With the {{m|Rock Smash}} and {{m|Strength}} moves at your disposal, take a few minutes to fully explore the tower for items. This area is the only area in the game where you can find wild {{p|Magmar}}, so don't miss out.

=== Bell Tower ===

Previously known as the Tin Tower, the [[Bell Tower]] is off-limits to everyone that doesn't have Ecruteak's Gym badge. Showing the badge grants you access to the tower, but the monk inside won't let you above the first floor yet. You'll have to wait until you have all eight badges, the {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Rainbow Wing}}, and the {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Clear Bell}} to find {{p|Ho-Oh}} atop the tower.

=== Ecruteak Gym ===
[[Image:Ecruteak Gym HGSS.png|frame|right|Ecruteak Gym]]

{{sign|DPcity|header}}
{{sign|DPcity|title|Ecruteak City Pokémon Gym Leader: Morty}}
{{sign|DPcity|The Mystic Seer of the Future}}
{{sign|DPcity|footer}}

The [[Ecruteak Gym]] specializes in {{type2|Ghost}}s, so {{type2|Dark}} attacks are the most effective here. Pure {{type2|Normal}}s, like {{p|Sentret}} or {{p|Raticate}}, are immune to Ghost-type moves, so teaching them non-Normal moves (like {{m|Surf}} or {{m|Dig}}) will allow them to damage the ghosts without much fear of retaliation. Be careful of {{m|Mean Look}}, which prevents the target Pokémon from switching; not a real problem by itself, but a Pokémon that is trapped due to that is a perfect target for a {{m|Curse}}. The Gym's puzzle remains the same, though updated, as it was in Gold & Silver: you have to navigate across the secret path over a dark void. [[Morty]]'s junior Trainers are all holding small candles that illuminate parts of the path around them so that you can see. There are four Mediums on the path, and Morty waits at the end.

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! Ecruteak Gym [[Image:Fog Badge.png|35px|The Fog Badge]] 
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{{Trainerentry|HGSS Medium.png|Medium|Grace|960|2|093|Haunter|♀|20|None|093|Haunter|♀|20|None|36=タエコ|37=Taeko}}
{{Trainerdiv|Ghost}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS Medium.png|Medium|Edith|1056|1|093|Haunter|♀|22|None|36=ウメコ|37=Umeko}}
{{Trainerdiv|Ghost}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS_Medium.png‎|Medium|Martha|960|3|092|Gastly|♀|18|None|093|Haunter|♀|20|None|092|Gastly|♀|20|None|36=ヨネコ|37=Yoneko}}
{{Trainerfooter|Ghost|2|inside}}
|}

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|}
|}

[[Morty]] hands over the {{badge|Fog}}, which ensures that all Pokémon up to level 50 obey without question, and allows the use of {{m|Surf}} outside of battle. He also gives you {{TM|30|Shadow Ball}} as a prize. 
Now head west to {{rt|38}}.

== Route 38 ==
[[Image:Johto Route38 Map.gif|frame|right|Route 38]]

{{rt|38}} is a short route that connects to {{rt|39}} in the west, near the [[MooMoo Farm]]. The farmers there are troubled by their {{p|Miltank}}'s recent lack of energy. Lass Dana asks for your phone number; she may call occasionally for a rematch, or to give you ThunderStones. Trade numbers with Schoolboy Chad to be alerted when {{p|Snubbull}} are swarming here.

Continue west to Route 39.

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{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|DP Sailor.png|Sailor|Harry|640|1|194|Wooper|♂|20|None|36=マサヒロ|37=Masahiro}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS Lass.png|Lass|Dana [[Image:PhoneSprite.png]]|304|2|180|Flaaffy|♀|19|None|054|Psyduck|♀|19|None|36=リカ|37=Rica}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS Bird Keeper.png|Bird Keeper|Toby|576|3|084|Doduo|♂|16|None|084|Doduo|♂|17|None|084|Doduo|♂|18|None|36=ハルキ|37=Haruki}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS Schoolboy.png|School Kid{{!}}Schoolboy|Chad [[Image:PhoneSprite.png]]|400|1|122|Mr. Mime|♂|20|None|36=クリオ|37=Curio}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS Beauty.png|Beauty|Valerie|1008|2|187|Hoppip|♀|18|None|188|Skiploom|♀|18|None|36=ユリカ|37=Yurika}}
{{Trainerfooter|land|II}}
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{{catchableheader|land|2}}
{{catchtime|all}}
{{catchentryhs|020|Raticate|yes|yes|Grass|16|30%}}
{{catchentryhs|081|Magnemite|yes|yes|Grass|16|20%}}
{{catchentryhs|128|Tauros|yes|yes|Grass|13|4%}}
{{catchentryhs|241|Miltank|yes|yes|Grass|13|5%}}
{{catchentryhs|209|Snubbull|yes|yes|Grass|13|1%}}
{{catchtime|morning}}
{{catchtime|day}}
{{catchentryhs|019|Rattata|yes|no|Grass|16|30%}}
{{catchentryhs|083|Farfetch'd|yes|yes|Grass|16|10%}}
{{catchentryhs|052|Meowth|no|yes|Grass|16|30%}}
{{catchtime|night}}
{{catchentryhs|019|Rattata|yes|no|Grass|16|40%}}
{{catchentryhs|052|Meowth|no|yes|Grass|16|40%}}
{{catchbar|Swarm}}
{{catchentryhs|209|Snubbull|yes|yes|Grass|Unknown|Unknown}}
{{catchablefooter|land|2}}
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! Items
|-
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{{Itlisth}}
{{Itlistbod|Max Potion|Southwest of the Ecruteak guardhouse|HGSS}}
{{Itlistbod|Wht Apricorn|From the lone Apricorn tree|HGSS}}
{{Itlistbod|Thunderstone|From Lass Dana after beating her in a rematch|HGSS}}
{{Itlistbod|Lax Incense|Behind the fence near Route 39 (requires {{m|Rock Climb}})|HGSS}}
{{Itlistfoot}}
|}

== Route 39 ==
[[Image:Johto Route39 Map.gif|frame|right|Route 39]]

{{rt|39}} is another short route, connecting {{rt|38}} and [[Olivine City]]. As you head west towards the farm, you'll meet the [[Johto Safari Zone|Safari Zone Warden]] [[Baoba]]. He is opening his latest Safari Zone location near [[Cianwood City]], across the sea to the southwest. Swap phone numbers with him, and he'll call you when it's done.

The [[MooMoo Farm]] is located here, but one of their {{p|Miltank}} has recently fallen ill, and has stopped producing milk. It needs to be fed seven [[Oran Berry]]s to restore its health, and you can grow them easily in the {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Berry Pots}}. You can make as many return trips as you need to in order to complete the task. Once you do, the girl on the left will give you the {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Seal Case}}, and the girl on the right will give you three Seals. Speak to the farmer's wife, and she'll reward you with {{TM|83|Natural Gift}}. With the Miltank back to normal, the farmer will offer to sell you {{DL|Potion|MooMoo Milk}}, which restores 100 HP, for {{pdollar}}500. You can also buy milk by the dozen.

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! Trainers
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{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|DP Psychic M.png|Psychic|Nelson|36=カイ|640|2|079|Slowpoke|♂|17|None|079|Slowpoke|♂|20|None|37=Kai}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP Sailor.png|Sailor|Eugene|36=ミツオ|608|3|061|Poliwhirl|♂|17|None|098|Krabby|♂|19|None|020|Raticate|♂|17|None|37=Mitsuo}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP PokéFan M.png|PokéFan|Derek|36=ミエハル|1152|1|025|Pikachu|♂|18|None|37=Mieharu}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP PokéFan F.png|PokéFan|Ruth|36=トモコ|1088|1|025|Pikachu|♀|17|None|37=Tomoko}}
{{Trainerfooter|land|II}}
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{| class="expandable" align="center" style="background: #{{soulsilver color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{heartgold color light}};"
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! Available Pokémon
|-
|
{{catchableheader|land|2}}
{{catchtime|all}}
{{catchentryhs|020|Raticate|yes|yes|Grass|17|30%}}
{{catchentryhs|081|Magnemite|yes|yes|Grass|16|20%}}
{{catchentryhs|241|Miltank|yes|yes|Grass|15|5%}}
{{catchentryhs|128|Tauros|yes|no|Grass|15|5%}}
{{catchentryhs|128|Tauros|no|yes|Grass|15|4%}}
{{catchentryhs|209|Snubbull|no|yes|Grass|15|1%}}
{{catchtime|morning}}
{{catchentryhs|019|Rattata|yes|no|Grass|16|30%}}
{{catchentryhs|052|Meowth|no|yes|Grass|16|30%}}
{{catchentryhs|083|Farfetch'd|yes|yes|Grass|16|10%}}
{{catchtime|day}}
{{catchentryhs|020|Raticate|yes|no|Grass|17|30%}}
{{catchentryhs|052|Meowth|no|yes|Grass|16|30%}}
{{catchentryhs|083|Farfetch'd|yes|yes|Grass|16|10%}}
{{catchtime|night}}
{{catchentryhs|020|Raticate|yes|yes|Grass|17|40%}}
{{catchentryhs|052|Meowth|no|yes|Grass|16|40%}}
{{catchentryhs|081|Magnemite|yes|yes|Grass|16|10%}}
{{catchentryhs|083|Farfetch'd|yes|yes|Grass|16|10%}}
{{catchentryhs|128|Tauros|no|yes|Grass|15|4%}}
{{catchablefooter|land|2}}
|}
{| class="expandable" align="center" style="background: #{{soulsilver color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{heartgold color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Items
|-
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{{Itlisth}}
{{Itlistbod|Grn Apricorn|From the tree near MooMoo Farm|HGSS}}
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Follow the route south to [[Olivine City]].

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[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver walkthrough]]

Jotho

2010-04-26T08:28:15Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: common misspelling (I make it all the time at least)

#REDIRECT [[Johto]]

Talk:Glalie (Pokémon)

2009-11-24T23:44:28Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Rice ball? OO"... */

"Moves in ''italics'' are STAB moves for some/all of its evolutions."

Then may I ask why Shadow Ball is in italics? As I recall it, Glalie does not evolve into Froslass. It's only related to it. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 07:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:This is why we need to redo the whole damn thing with types and such. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

== Rice ball? OO"... ==
I dropped all passages reffering to Glalie asa rice ball. How is Glalie related to a type of food in any way?
: It Looks quite alot like one and the name is similair in Japanese. and Sign your talk page comments pleaseee--[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 15:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== Levitate ==

"Although Glalie is clearly depicted as levitating in the anime and in the games, Glalie does not have the ability Levitate. It shares this trait with the Magnemite evolution family."

uhm, as far as I know, Magnemite *can* have the ability "levitate".
I have at-least come across plenty of them in gold/silver and they where therefore a PITA to beat with ground-type moves. ZaphodBeeblebrox 23:42, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Glalie (Pokémon)

2009-11-24T23:42:40Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox:

"Moves in ''italics'' are STAB moves for some/all of its evolutions."

Then may I ask why Shadow Ball is in italics? As I recall it, Glalie does not evolve into Froslass. It's only related to it. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 07:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:This is why we need to redo the whole damn thing with types and such. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

== Rice ball? OO"... ==
I dropped all passages reffering to Glalie asa rice ball. How is Glalie related to a type of food in any way?
: It Looks quite alot like one and the name is similair in Japanese. and Sign your talk page comments pleaseee--[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 15:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

"Although Glalie is clearly depicted as levitating in the anime and in the games, Glalie does not have the ability Levitate. It shares this trait with the Magnemite evolution family."

uhm, as far as I know, Magnemite *can* have the ability "levitate".
I have at-least come across plenty of them in gold/silver and they where therefore a PITA to beat with ground-type moves. ZaphodBeeblebrox 23:42, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Trophy Garden

2009-11-13T13:45:13Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Trivia */

The '''Trophy Garden''' (Japanese: '''じまんのうらにわ''' ''Pride Backyard'') is an area located on {{rt|212}} where many rare [[wild Pokémon|Pokémon]] can be caught. It is located behind the {{si|Pokémon Mansion}}.

There are many Pokémon that can be found here without any interaction with the Trophy Garden's owner, [[Mr. Backlot]]. All of these Pokémon are in the [[Sinnoh Pokédex]], and many can be found in other areas. After the {{player}} has defeated the [[Elite Four]] and gotten the [[National Pokédex]] upgrade, however, Pokémon that do not otherwise appear in Sinnoh will be placed in the Trophy Garden by Backlot's butler to cover up for his fibs, with a different one there daily. On any given day, the new Pokémon that was in the Trophy Garden the previous time Mr. Backlot was last spoken with will also still be there, allowing a two-day window to catch each of these Pokémon.

In the anime, Dawn captures her {{TP|Dawn|Swinub|Mamoswine}} here in ''[[DP084|Hungry for the Good Life!]]''.

==Pokémon==
{{catchableheader|land}}
{{catchtime|All}}
{{catchentry4|025|Pikachu|yes|yes|no|Grass|18|10%}}
{{catchentry4|025|Pikachu|no|no|yes|Grass|24|10%}}
{{catchentry4|315|Roselia|yes|yes|no|Grass|16-17|30%}}
{{catchentry4|315|Roselia|no|no|yes|Grass|22-23|30%}}
{{catchtime|Morning}}
{{catchentry4|172|Pichu|yes|yes|no|Grass|16|30%}}
{{catchentry4|397|Staravia|yes|yes|no|Grass|16-17|20%}}
{{catchentry4|402|Kricketune|yes|yes|no|Grass|16-17|10%}}
{{catchtime|Day}}
{{catchentry4|172|Pichu|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16|10%}}
{{catchentry4|397|Staravia|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16-17|40%}}
{{catchentry4|402|Kricketune|yes|yes|no|Grass|16-17|10%}}
{{catchtime|Night}}
{{catchentry4|172|Pichu|yes|yes|no|Grass|16|10%}}
{{catchentry4|172|Pichu|no|no|yes|Grass|21-22|10%}}
{{catchentry4|397|Staravia|yes|yes|no|Grass|16-17|20%}}
{{catchentry4|397|Staravia|no|no|yes|Grass|23-24|20%}}
{{catchentry4|402|Kricketune|yes|yes|no|Grass|16-17|30%}}
{{catchentry4|402|Kricketune|no|no|yes|Grass|22-23|30%}}
{{catchtime|Special}}
{{catchentry4|173|Cleffa|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|035|Clefairy|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|174|Igglybuff|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|039|Jigglypuff|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|052|Meowth|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|440|Happiny|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|113|Chansey|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|439|Mime Jr.|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|132|Ditto|no|no|yes|Grass|16,18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|133|Eevee|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|137|Porygon|yes|yes|no|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|298|Azurill|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|183|Marill|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|438|Bonsly|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|311|Plusle|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|312|Minun|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchentry4|351|Castform|yes|yes|yes|Grass|16, 18|5%|Backlot}}
{{catchablefooter|land}}

==Trivia==
* The player can eventually make a desired Pokémon in the above list appear by saving before talking to Mr. Backlot and resetting until the Pokémon is put in. Note that this method does not work for Pokémon [[swarms]].
** Another common trick is to put a [[level]] 18 Pokémon in the first slot of the party and use a [[Repel]], as this will return only {{p|Pikachu}} and the daily special Pokémon, like {{p|Chansey}}. This method may be used to obtain rare held items, such as a {{DL|Experience-affecting item|Lucky Egg}}, {{DL|Stat-enhancing item|Light Ball}}, {{evostone|Oval Stone}}, or a {{evostone|Moon Stone}}. However, it only works in Diamond and Pearl, as Platinum has higher levels for most Pokémon, and thus the regular wild Pokémon would be above the [[level]] 18 threshold.

==In other languages==
* '''Spanish:''' ''Jardín Trofeo''
* '''Italian:''' ''Giardino Trofeo''
* '''German:''' ''Trophäengarten''
* '''French:''' ''Jardin Trophée''

{{Project Locations notice}}
[[Category:Sinnoh locations|Trophy Garden]]
[[Category:Diamond and Pearl locations|Trophy Garden]]
[[Category:Platinum locations]]

[[de:Trophäengarten]]
[[fr:Manoir Pokémon (Sinnoh)]]
[[ja:じまんのうらにわ]]

Mineral (Egg Group)

2009-10-31T12:10:56Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Only in this egg group */ added this, as it is something I find useful on the page. for quick breeding ref.

{{EggGroups}}
The '''Mineral egg group''' (Japanese: '''こうぶつ''' ''Mineral'') is one of the sixteen [[egg groups]].

==Characteristics==
This group is comprised mostly of {{type2|Rock}} and {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon. The common characteristic shared by this group are Pokémon of an inorganic nature, specifically taking on a crystalline or metallic appearance, hence the name, Mineral.

In this egg group, the majority of members are genderless, and can only breed with {{egg|Ditto}}. This makes for a very limited pool of moves that can be passed down among the few members of the group that can pass and inherit egg moves.

==Pokémon==
===Only in this egg group===
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #CCCCFF;"
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! width="36px" |  
! width="66px" | [[Pokémon]]
! colspan="2" width="62px" | [[Type]]
! | [[Gender]]
{{Moveentrytm|074|Geodude|2|Rock|Ground|}}
| Gendered
{{Moveentrytm|075|Graveler|2|Rock|Ground|}}
| Gendered
{{Moveentrytm|076|Golem|2|Rock|Ground|}}
| Gendered
{{Moveentrytm|081|Magnemite|2|Electric|Steel|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|082|Magneton|2|Electric|Steel|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|095|Onix|2|Rock|Ground|}}
| Gendered
{{Moveentrytm|100|Voltorb|1|Electric|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|101|Electrode|1|Electric|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|137|Porygon|1|Normal|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|185|Sudowoodo|1|Rock|}}
| Gendered
{{Moveentrytm|208|Steelix|2|Steel|Ground|}}
| Gendered
{{Moveentrytm|233|Porygon2|1|Normal|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|292|Shedinja|2|Bug|Ghost|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|299|Nosepass|1|Rock|}}
| Gendered
{{Moveentrytm|337|Lunatone|2|Rock|Psychic|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|338|Solrock|2|Rock|Psychic|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|343|Baltoy|2|Ground|Psychic|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|344|Claydol|2|Ground|Psychic|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|374|Beldum|2|Steel|Psychic|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|375|Metang|2|Steel|Psychic|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|376|Metagross|2|Steel|Psychic|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|436|Bronzor|2|Steel|Psychic|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|437|Bronzong|2|Steel|Psychic|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|462|Magnezone|2|Electric|Steel|}}
| Genderless
{{Moveentrytm|476|Probopass|2|Rock|Steel|}}
| Gendered
{{Moveentrytm|474|Porygon-Z|1|Normal|}}
| Genderless
|}

===In this and another egg group===
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #CCCCFF;"
! width="30px" | #
! width="36px" |  
! width="66px" | [[Pokémon]]
! colspan="2" width="62px" | [[Type]]
! width="45px" | Other
{{Moveentrytm|361|Snorunt|1|Ice|}}
|{{egg|Fairy}}
{{Moveentrytm|362|Glalie|1|Ice|}}
|{{egg|Fairy}}
{{Moveentrytm|478|Froslass|2|Ice|Ghost|}}
|{{egg|Fairy}}
|}

==Trivia==
* Pokémon in the Snorunt evolutionary line are the only members of the Mineral egg group that are members of a second egg group.
* Eleven of the twenty-nine members of this egg group have genders. These eleven make up only five evolutionary families.
* {{p|Shedinja}} is in this egg group, despite its evolutionary relatives {{p|Nincada}} and {{p|Ninjask}} being in the {{egg3|Bug}} instead.

==In other languages==
* French: '''Minéral'''
* German: '''Mineral'''
* Italian: '''Minerale'''
* Japanese: '''こうぶつ''' (鉱物) ''kōbutsu''
* Spanish: '''Mineral'''

[[ja:こうぶつ]]

User:ZaphodBeeblebrox

2009-10-28T22:30:49Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox:

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{{User Birthday|December 9}}
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{{User HGSS}}
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User talk:Reshi643/Pokémon designed after animals or plants

2009-10-28T22:01:46Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* good job! */ new section

{{lowercase}}

== Suggestion(s) ==
i like this page here, its pretty cool, but, may i suggest merging the Butterfly and Moth section? they are very closely related. also, you have Pineco, but no Forretress! he is also based on a bagworm. and finally, more of a comment, youd think, that with the fast mount of spiders out there, there would be more than one evo line relating to them....moreover, youd think the ONE evo line they give us would be good...oh well. theres always Gen V! -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:Forget the spiders, there are many obvious animals yet to have a Pokémon based on them... Dolphins are the best example. Like you said, there's always Gen V... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''zz''']] 23:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::wow, didnt even think of Dolphins. with the above average intelligence of Dolphins, we can have a Water/Psychic-type! oh wait, thats been done before...more than once...but, im looking down the line here, dont you think Mamoswine belongs in the Elephant section? i know its "Mamo'''swine'''", but its more based on woolly mammoths, whom are elephant based. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I definitely prefer this in your userspace than in the mainspace. You've done a nice job with it, too. As far as suggestions go, how about {{p|Trapinch}}'s family being based on {{wp|antlion}}s? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 23:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Mag: I took your offers about butterflies and moths, as well as Forretress. As for Mamoswine, I'm not sure. I'm now considering removing him from the list entirely. Mart: I'm not sure about that... The connection isn't obvious enough to me. Thanks for the compliment, though. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''zz''']] 11:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::I like the page. Interesting idea. However, maybe Arceus should be included? It's closer to a horse than anything else...Maybe even a human section, which would include the Machop line, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Alakazam, and other similar Pokémon? ...[[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 15:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

== Fish! ==

Just a heads-up, mudskippers are fish, not amphibians. Just lettin' you know!--[[User:Totodilesentret|Totodilesentret!]][[User Talk:Totodilesentret|Talk to me.]] 13:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== good job! ==

I've gotta hand it to you, awesome list here, great job :) ZaphodBeeblebrox 22:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Template talk:User Country/List of countries

2009-10-28T21:22:20Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Canada */

Sorry but isn't Iceland grassy, and Greenland icy??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

:Both I guess. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::Well, I guess that Iceland ''is'' warmer than any other place that has a similar latitude. However, I still think Arcticuno fits for representing Iceland since it is near the Arctic Circle.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
==Ireland==
[[Image:Mew Harp.JPG|thumb|right|It's not a Pokémon, but.......]]
Um, though this may be stupid, I saw that Ireland's Coat of Arms has a harp on it. Though it's not an animal, how about the Mew Harp Picture??? Though, I do think that Shaymin idea is very clever, since leprechauns are from Ireland, and they are green and sharp. Nice Idea, Pokencyclopedia! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::I wasn't even thinking about leprechauns when I picked Shaymin...--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:I dunno. Anime screenshots aren't really preferred for userboxes... and lol what do you mean by 'Nice idea, Tina'? XD; I don't remember doing anything, lol. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry! I thought that it was you who made that edit. In that case, thank you, Pokencyclopedia! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

==Canada==
A Unicorn!?!? Why not a moose ({{p|Stantler}})! Canada is more famous for moose than unicorns!!! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:But the Canadian coat of arms has a Unicorn on it.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 00:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yea, but most people don't know the flag. I live in the U.S., I '''don't know''' the flag, and when I think of Canada, I think of moose. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I said the ''Coat of Arms'' not the flag. But, if you want Stantler, go right ahead and change it.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 12:14, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, well, I changed it to Stantler. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

uhm. can I argue that moose (Elg) is what Norway is most known for too (can't think of anything else) and perhaps Ursaring can be Grizzly-bear for Canada? ~ZaphodBeeblebrox 21:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

==North & South Korea==
What are we going to do with these countries? One idea that I had was going for symbols to represent Korea being divided between Communism and Capitalism, but the problem with that would be coming up with a Pokémon that can represent capitalism (we already have Grumpig for User Communist). At the moment, I picked Laturn to represent North Korea because the North Korea Coat of Arms has a hydroelectric plant on it. The South Korean Coat of arms has a [[wp:taeguk|taeguk]] symbol and five stylized petals of a [[wp:Hibiscus syriacus|Hibiscus syriacus]]. Anyone else have any good ideas?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 12:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:Do we need a template for North Korea? Only one person has a computer there, his name is Kim Il-Sung and he isn't a member here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

::Is this true? Why do only one person there owns a computer? [[Image:Ani282MS.gif|32px]]'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]][[Image:Ani445MS.gif|32px]] 12:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:::You didn't get the joke, right? [[wp:Kim Il-Sung|Kim Il-Sung]] is North Korea's ruler. He doesn't even allow North Koreans to have computers. They are not only too poor for that, but they're also forbidden from many things (do you think there are shops in North Korea, if yes, then you are wrong). It's because [[wp:North Korea|North Korea]] is [[wp:Juche|so fuckin' totalitarian country]].

Fine, I got rid of the one for North Korea. Now what Pokémon can we use to represent Korea as a whole?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Actually, Kim Jong-Il is the leader, Il-Sung's still their technical leader even though he's DEAD because that country is so screwed up. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 23:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_flower#National_animals_.28National_fauna.29 Tiger] is a national animal of the whole Korea. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_Football_Association Korean Football Association] uses tiger as the association crest. --[[User:Ksiom|Ksiom]] 09:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

==Poland==

What does Poland have to do with Togekiss?

And why is Transylvania listed, it's not a country. It's a part of Romania. And I don't see a template for Romania. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:Well, I was quite shocked with that Togekiss - I also think that Togekiss is not so appropriate; Whatsmore, Polish flag's official colors are not pure "white and red", but #E9E8E7 and #D4213D, respectively. [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 20:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
{{User Country|018|Poland|E9E8E7|D4213D|FFFFFF}}

== ...And no tag for Cuba either? ==

Before I considered doing a tag for Cuba, I looked it up on Wikipedia and it stated that the Cuban government "represses free expression by limiting access to the Internet." How limited is this? Is Cuba's national legislature the only people that own computers?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

:Yea, I tried thinking about one for Cuba a few days ago....and the flag and Coat of Arms have no animals on them. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
::How about Unown Q to represent the key on the coat of arms?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 16:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Well here are the possibilities:

# A Key
# A Tree
# A rising sun
# Cherries

What one should we pick??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 20:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Wait... cherries= {{p|Cherubi}}. --[[Image:Ani383MS.gif]][[User:Groudon465|Groudon465]][[Image:Ani201TMS.gif]][[User talk:Groudon465|Talk]] | [[User:Groudon465/Decks|Decks]][[Image:Ani133MS.gif]] 21:35, 19 December, 2007 (UTC)

Yea, that's what I thought, too. Do you want to make the template or do you want me to? [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 21:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll Make it. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 21:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Finished: {{User Country|420|Cuba|FFFFFF|00a0c4|DC143C}} [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 22:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Portugal ==

*Cough...* I was born in Brazil but I currently live in Portugal. *Cough...* Can anybody help me? Here's what I got:
{{User Country||Portugal|3D8E33|CE1126|FCD856}}
There are no codfish Pokémon! I also thought about the endangered Iberian lynx [[Image:403.png]]

CAN ANYONE HELP ME? [[Image:ShinyUxieMS.png|Who does this guy think he is?]] '''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie]] [[User talk:Uxie wisdom|wisdom]]''' [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|δ]] 22:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, the Coat of Arms has a red and a green string/rope thing.....Deoxys Maybe? I'll make a template. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 21:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Here ya go!: {{User Country|386|Portugal|50BC74|FF6059|FFF000}} [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 22:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Just better put the official colors:
{{User Country|386|Portugal|3D8E33|CE1126|FCD856}}
[[Image:ShinyUxieMS.png|Who does this guy think he is?]] '''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie]] [[User talk:Uxie wisdom|wisdom]]''' [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|δ]] 12:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

==Egypt==
I'm changing Blaziken on Egypt to Unown (hyroglyphics). --[[Image:Ani383MS.gif]][[User:Groudon465|Groudon465]][[Image:Ani201TMS.gif]][[User talk:Groudon465|Talk]] | [[User:Groudon465/Decks|Decks]][[Image:Ani133MS.gif]] 21:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Good Idea. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 21:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Natu for New Zealand ==

I used Natu to represtent New Zealand, since it looks a little bit like a kiwi, the national icon of New Zealand. If anybody can think of a more appropriate Pokémon to represent New Zealand, feel free to change it. [[User:Bardock|3190]] 02:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, before I saw this Natu on NZ thing, I had Shellder. My Dad says that NZ has the best oysters, and so I put Shellder. But I don't want to change it.--[[User:Pokelova|Pokelova]] 20:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

:Shellder sounds good, although I think New Zealand's more famous for its exotic bird life than for its seafood. Doduo's [[Doduo (Pokémon)#Origin|Origin section]] mentions a couple of native New Zealand birds, so we could change it to that. How many other New Zealanders are on this wiki? [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 10:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::Not many. 6 maybe--[[User:Pokelova|''Poke'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>lova</big>]] 19:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::Just thought I'd add that Natu's [[Natu (Pokémon)#Origin|Origin section]] states that it is based off of a Parrot. Weird--[[User:Pokelova|''Poke'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>lova</big>]] 19:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, Digimon have [http://wikimon.net/Kiwimon Kiwimon], so maybe one day there'll be a kiwi based Pokémon... In the mean time, shall we change to [[Shellder (Pokémon)|Shellder]] or [[Doduo (Pokémon)|Doduo]], or just keep Natu? [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 11:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

== Bhutan and India ==

Bhutan should be represented by a Dragon-type Pokémon like Dragonite instead of the Ampharos (if there are any {{wp|Takin}}-like Pokémon there then they should represent Bhutan). Also, India should be represented by a {{wp|Tiger}}-like Pokémon.[[User:Maria-williams|■ '''m'''aria-]][[user talk:Maria-williams|'''w'''illiams ■]] 11:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:A Gyarados for Bhutan? or a Rayquaza? The dragon in the flag of Bhutan is not a bipedal.. An Arcanine for India, I guess. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::Rayquaza I guess. As for Arcanine for India, isn't it more dog-like than tiger-like?--[[User:Maria-williams|■ '''m'''aria-]][[user talk:Maria-williams|'''w'''illiams ■]] 12:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Raikou (or the other beasts)! Or wynaut a {{p|Purugly|tiger cat}}? =P '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Meditite/Medicham or Arbok is perfect for India. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 22:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Raikou would not be bad either. Most of the countries listed here have something related to their national animals. As for the Medi-s, they are more associated with yoga which in turn is more associated with Hinduism. However, India is a secular country and so we should not put something representing only one among the hundreds of religions practiced in India. As for Arbok...I don't know. What relation does India have with a snake?--''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 10:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Europe Template ==

Why did the Europe Template I created get deleted? I know Europe isn't a country but some like myself would liek to put a "come's from Europe" template on their page. --[[Image:Spr 3e 260.gif]][[User:Prof. Pine|Prof. Pine]] 16:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:I can explain that since I'm the one who removed it: this user tag autocategorizes. For example, if some puts <nowiki>{{User Country|Australia}}</nowiki> on their userpage, then he will automatically be categorized in the category {{cat|Users from Australia}}. Now, we don't have a category called "Users from Europe" - because that's not a country, as you pointed out yourself. That causes the nonexistent category to appear on the Wanted Categories list, which isn't good. That's the story. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''zz''']] 17:11, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thx for the explanation! --[[Image:Spr 3e 260.gif]][[User:Prof. Pine|Prof. Pine]] 10:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Most Impressive! ==

I just want to say that the page of various country-related templates is very impressive. I enjoyed the obvious level of work put into getting everything right. Good job! - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 03:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Template talk:User Country/List of countries

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ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Canada */

Sorry but isn't Iceland grassy, and Greenland icy??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

:Both I guess. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::Well, I guess that Iceland ''is'' warmer than any other place that has a similar latitude. However, I still think Arcticuno fits for representing Iceland since it is near the Arctic Circle.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
==Ireland==
[[Image:Mew Harp.JPG|thumb|right|It's not a Pokémon, but.......]]
Um, though this may be stupid, I saw that Ireland's Coat of Arms has a harp on it. Though it's not an animal, how about the Mew Harp Picture??? Though, I do think that Shaymin idea is very clever, since leprechauns are from Ireland, and they are green and sharp. Nice Idea, Pokencyclopedia! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::I wasn't even thinking about leprechauns when I picked Shaymin...--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:I dunno. Anime screenshots aren't really preferred for userboxes... and lol what do you mean by 'Nice idea, Tina'? XD; I don't remember doing anything, lol. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry! I thought that it was you who made that edit. In that case, thank you, Pokencyclopedia! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

==Canada==
A Unicorn!?!? Why not a moose ({{p|Stantler}})! Canada is more famous for moose than unicorns!!! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:But the Canadian coat of arms has a Unicorn on it.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 00:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yea, but most people don't know the flag. I live in the U.S., I '''don't know''' the flag, and when I think of Canada, I think of moose. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I said the ''Coat of Arms'' not the flag. But, if you want Stantler, go right ahead and change it.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 12:14, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, well, I changed it to Stantler. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

uhm. can I argue that moose (Elg) is what Norway is most known for too (can't think of anything else) and perhaps Ursaring can be Grizzly-bear for Canada?
{{SUBST::User:ZaphodBeeblebrox/sig}} 21:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

==North & South Korea==
What are we going to do with these countries? One idea that I had was going for symbols to represent Korea being divided between Communism and Capitalism, but the problem with that would be coming up with a Pokémon that can represent capitalism (we already have Grumpig for User Communist). At the moment, I picked Laturn to represent North Korea because the North Korea Coat of Arms has a hydroelectric plant on it. The South Korean Coat of arms has a [[wp:taeguk|taeguk]] symbol and five stylized petals of a [[wp:Hibiscus syriacus|Hibiscus syriacus]]. Anyone else have any good ideas?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 12:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:Do we need a template for North Korea? Only one person has a computer there, his name is Kim Il-Sung and he isn't a member here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

::Is this true? Why do only one person there owns a computer? [[Image:Ani282MS.gif|32px]]'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]][[Image:Ani445MS.gif|32px]] 12:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:::You didn't get the joke, right? [[wp:Kim Il-Sung|Kim Il-Sung]] is North Korea's ruler. He doesn't even allow North Koreans to have computers. They are not only too poor for that, but they're also forbidden from many things (do you think there are shops in North Korea, if yes, then you are wrong). It's because [[wp:North Korea|North Korea]] is [[wp:Juche|so fuckin' totalitarian country]].

Fine, I got rid of the one for North Korea. Now what Pokémon can we use to represent Korea as a whole?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Actually, Kim Jong-Il is the leader, Il-Sung's still their technical leader even though he's DEAD because that country is so screwed up. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 23:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_flower#National_animals_.28National_fauna.29 Tiger] is a national animal of the whole Korea. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_Football_Association Korean Football Association] uses tiger as the association crest. --[[User:Ksiom|Ksiom]] 09:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

==Poland==

What does Poland have to do with Togekiss?

And why is Transylvania listed, it's not a country. It's a part of Romania. And I don't see a template for Romania. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:Well, I was quite shocked with that Togekiss - I also think that Togekiss is not so appropriate; Whatsmore, Polish flag's official colors are not pure "white and red", but #E9E8E7 and #D4213D, respectively. [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 20:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
{{User Country|018|Poland|E9E8E7|D4213D|FFFFFF}}

== ...And no tag for Cuba either? ==

Before I considered doing a tag for Cuba, I looked it up on Wikipedia and it stated that the Cuban government "represses free expression by limiting access to the Internet." How limited is this? Is Cuba's national legislature the only people that own computers?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 22:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

:Yea, I tried thinking about one for Cuba a few days ago....and the flag and Coat of Arms have no animals on them. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 14:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
::How about Unown Q to represent the key on the coat of arms?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 16:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Well here are the possibilities:

# A Key
# A Tree
# A rising sun
# Cherries

What one should we pick??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 20:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Wait... cherries= {{p|Cherubi}}. --[[Image:Ani383MS.gif]][[User:Groudon465|Groudon465]][[Image:Ani201TMS.gif]][[User talk:Groudon465|Talk]] | [[User:Groudon465/Decks|Decks]][[Image:Ani133MS.gif]] 21:35, 19 December, 2007 (UTC)

Yea, that's what I thought, too. Do you want to make the template or do you want me to? [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 21:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll Make it. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 21:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Finished: {{User Country|420|Cuba|FFFFFF|00a0c4|DC143C}} [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 22:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Portugal ==

*Cough...* I was born in Brazil but I currently live in Portugal. *Cough...* Can anybody help me? Here's what I got:
{{User Country||Portugal|3D8E33|CE1126|FCD856}}
There are no codfish Pokémon! I also thought about the endangered Iberian lynx [[Image:403.png]]

CAN ANYONE HELP ME? [[Image:ShinyUxieMS.png|Who does this guy think he is?]] '''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie]] [[User talk:Uxie wisdom|wisdom]]''' [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|δ]] 22:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, the Coat of Arms has a red and a green string/rope thing.....Deoxys Maybe? I'll make a template. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 21:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Here ya go!: {{User Country|386|Portugal|50BC74|FF6059|FFF000}} [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 22:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Just better put the official colors:
{{User Country|386|Portugal|3D8E33|CE1126|FCD856}}
[[Image:ShinyUxieMS.png|Who does this guy think he is?]] '''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie]] [[User talk:Uxie wisdom|wisdom]]''' [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|δ]] 12:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

==Egypt==
I'm changing Blaziken on Egypt to Unown (hyroglyphics). --[[Image:Ani383MS.gif]][[User:Groudon465|Groudon465]][[Image:Ani201TMS.gif]][[User talk:Groudon465|Talk]] | [[User:Groudon465/Decks|Decks]][[Image:Ani133MS.gif]] 21:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Good Idea. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 21:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Natu for New Zealand ==

I used Natu to represtent New Zealand, since it looks a little bit like a kiwi, the national icon of New Zealand. If anybody can think of a more appropriate Pokémon to represent New Zealand, feel free to change it. [[User:Bardock|3190]] 02:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, before I saw this Natu on NZ thing, I had Shellder. My Dad says that NZ has the best oysters, and so I put Shellder. But I don't want to change it.--[[User:Pokelova|Pokelova]] 20:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

:Shellder sounds good, although I think New Zealand's more famous for its exotic bird life than for its seafood. Doduo's [[Doduo (Pokémon)#Origin|Origin section]] mentions a couple of native New Zealand birds, so we could change it to that. How many other New Zealanders are on this wiki? [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 10:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::Not many. 6 maybe--[[User:Pokelova|''Poke'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>lova</big>]] 19:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::Just thought I'd add that Natu's [[Natu (Pokémon)#Origin|Origin section]] states that it is based off of a Parrot. Weird--[[User:Pokelova|''Poke'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>lova</big>]] 19:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, Digimon have [http://wikimon.net/Kiwimon Kiwimon], so maybe one day there'll be a kiwi based Pokémon... In the mean time, shall we change to [[Shellder (Pokémon)|Shellder]] or [[Doduo (Pokémon)|Doduo]], or just keep Natu? [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 11:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

== Bhutan and India ==

Bhutan should be represented by a Dragon-type Pokémon like Dragonite instead of the Ampharos (if there are any {{wp|Takin}}-like Pokémon there then they should represent Bhutan). Also, India should be represented by a {{wp|Tiger}}-like Pokémon.[[User:Maria-williams|■ '''m'''aria-]][[user talk:Maria-williams|'''w'''illiams ■]] 11:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:A Gyarados for Bhutan? or a Rayquaza? The dragon in the flag of Bhutan is not a bipedal.. An Arcanine for India, I guess. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::Rayquaza I guess. As for Arcanine for India, isn't it more dog-like than tiger-like?--[[User:Maria-williams|■ '''m'''aria-]][[user talk:Maria-williams|'''w'''illiams ■]] 12:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Raikou (or the other beasts)! Or wynaut a {{p|Purugly|tiger cat}}? =P '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Meditite/Medicham or Arbok is perfect for India. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 22:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Raikou would not be bad either. Most of the countries listed here have something related to their national animals. As for the Medi-s, they are more associated with yoga which in turn is more associated with Hinduism. However, India is a secular country and so we should not put something representing only one among the hundreds of religions practiced in India. As for Arbok...I don't know. What relation does India have with a snake?--''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 10:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Europe Template ==

Why did the Europe Template I created get deleted? I know Europe isn't a country but some like myself would liek to put a "come's from Europe" template on their page. --[[Image:Spr 3e 260.gif]][[User:Prof. Pine|Prof. Pine]] 16:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:I can explain that since I'm the one who removed it: this user tag autocategorizes. For example, if some puts <nowiki>{{User Country|Australia}}</nowiki> on their userpage, then he will automatically be categorized in the category {{cat|Users from Australia}}. Now, we don't have a category called "Users from Europe" - because that's not a country, as you pointed out yourself. That causes the nonexistent category to appear on the Wanted Categories list, which isn't good. That's the story. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''zz''']] 17:11, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thx for the explanation! --[[Image:Spr 3e 260.gif]][[User:Prof. Pine|Prof. Pine]] 10:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Most Impressive! ==

I just want to say that the page of various country-related templates is very impressive. I enjoyed the obvious level of work put into getting everything right. Good job! - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 03:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Template:User no

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User:ZaphodBeeblebrox/WonderMail

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ZaphodBeeblebrox:

list of WonderMail Codes for Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Red & Blue to unlock Spesific Things

dungeons:
* Oddity Cave ??MS CJ…? 44?P MF?8 7J6R …M?1
* Remains Island ??M4 CJY? 44?P CF?8 7J6R …M?1
* Marvelous Sea ??MH CJ…? 44?P CF?8 7J6R …M?1
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Talk:Non-player character

2009-10-28T17:03:02Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox:

There is his guy in Sapphire/Ruby at the Mauville Pokécenter, he says "I'm GIDDY! I have a scintillating story for you!" then you can choose to listen or not. If you do, he will ask questions like "NOUN is so verb! Don't you agree?" and you can choose yes or no, then he will say "Also, I was thinking..." and repeat this a few times, then end with "That's about it, I think... We should chat again! Bye-bye!"

The NOUN (always upper case) can be all sorts of things, like PLANS, MAIL or MACHINE, as well as Pokémon names. The verbs are usually things like "magical" "desirable" "relaxed" "sunny" etc.

Sometimes he will say things like "Lying back in the green grass.... Oh it's so, so nice!" or "Wouldn't it be nice if we could float away on a cloud of bubbles?" or "When you write on a sandy beach, they wash away. I makes me sad." and more.

In all my times working with both Ruby and Sapphire I have yet to figure out what this guy is for, and if at all he has any importance on game mechanics. Still like him cause he seems so weird and sometimes the things he says are so oddball and funny.

Does anyone know anything about this guy? and should he be include in the list here/own page? I'd more than happy help collect the sayings too ~ZaphodBeeblebrox 17:00, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Non-player character

2009-10-28T17:00:40Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: Created page with 'There is his guy Sapphire/Ruby at the Mauville PokéCenter, he says "I'm GIDDY! I have a scintillating story for you!" then you can choose to listen or not. if you do, he will as…'

There is his guy Sapphire/Ruby at the Mauville PokéCenter, he says "I'm GIDDY! I have a scintillating story for you!" then you can choose to listen or not. if you do, he will ask questions like "NOUN is so verb! Don't you agree?" and you can choose yes or no, then he will say "Also, I was thinking..." and repeat this a few times, then end with "That's about it, I think... We should chat again! Bye-bye!"

the NOUN (always upper case) can be all sorts of things, like PLANS, MAIL or MACHINE, as well as Pokemon names. The verbs are usually things like "magical" "desirable" "relaxed" "sunny" etc.

sometimes he will say "Lying back in the green grass.... Oh it's so, so nice!" or "Wouldn't it be nice if we could float away on a cloud of bubbles?" or "When you write on a sandy beach, they wash away. I makes me sad." there's a few more too.

in all my times working with both Ruby and Sapphire i have yet to figure out what this guy is for, an if at all he has any importance on game mechanics. still like him cause he seems so weird and sometimes the things he says are so oddball and funny.

does anyone know anything about this guy? and should he be include in the list here/own page? I'd more than happy help collect the sayings too {{SUBST::User:ZaphodBeeblebrox/sig}} 17:00, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex/Archive 3

2009-10-28T15:37:06Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Global PokedeX Plus */

==Archives==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from March 14, 2005–August 26, 2006)
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (discussions from October 7, 2006–May 19, 2007)

== About external links and fan shrines... ==

I couldn't help but notice that within the Project Pokedex section, it is mentioned that Pokemon can receive not only wikipedia links but fan shrine links, too.

Now, before I jumped ahead of myself, I checked a few of the obviously more popular Pokemon, like Eevee or Pikachu. You can't go wrong with that. What I noticed is that the only fan stuffs listed is fanlistings, though. While that's something, it is what it is... a list. Granted, Poke-centric (that is, non human) shrines seem to be hard to come by in the 'States for some reason.

So, my question is, what would I have to do to get a fan shrine listed? Does there have to meet certain requirements? Is it necessary that it's a fanlisting? The site is in English, in case you're wondering. I know the ratio of Japanese artsy Poke-centric sites to US ones is extremely skewed in their favor, so I can see where that could be a concern, if a concern at all.
--[[User:Nidorino|Nidorino]] 16:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:I would say in this matter, it's more quality that matters than notability. If you have a site that is good enough to be of interest to someone looking for some sort of information on the Pokémon - go ahead and add it. But if it's something that's low-quality and not useful, expect to see the link removed shortly after.
:Also, I would rule that foreign language sites can also be included - but with stricter inclusion standards, at the bottom of the external links list, and with its language included in parentheses so people don't click expecting an English site and get something in a different language. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 18:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

::Well, it's actually more interesting and for leisure than it is informational. I sorta made it both because I thought the Nidoran line was severely underappreciated and I got a little tired of the thousands of informational Pokemon sites but no fun multimedia ones. I suppose for what it's worth, it'll probably be really nice for any Pokemon fan since there's lots to see and do (for a Nido centric site, it's actually doing really well), I put a ''lot'' of work into it as well.

::The quality lies in the content, I go all out on what talents I have all for the sake of Nido Pokemon. There's also people who share the same idea, so a lot of contributions have come from people all over, it's probably ''one of'' the biggest Nido fan gatherings, which truthfully isn't a hard goal to aspire for considering the Pokemon in question. My main reasoning behind it, though, is that I just think that Nido fans shouldn't be left out of the picture, considering I know how hard it is to find anything interesting about them at all.

::So I guess what it comes down to is what one wants. It someone's trying to read hard facts, well, they could do that anywhere. But if someone's looking for something fun and different, that's the goal I want to accomplish.

::Would that still be okay?--[[User:Nidorino|Nidorino]] 18:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

== Biology ==

There's been a bit of controversy over the content in the biology section of {{p|Typhlosion}}'s article. It may be an idea to keep an eye over the stuff that goes in that section. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:... how in the world did we miss that? D: --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 00:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Darn, i want to know what it says lol [[User:Broloth|Broloth]] 06:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

==Diamond and Pearl Pokéradar==
In relation to the Pokeradar in Daimond and Pearl. Should it be mentioned in the Rarity section like [[Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)]] or in the Location section like [[Venonat (Pokémon)]]. Just asking so that there can be some consistancy in the articles. [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 08:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:Do we need to point out that the Pokéradar Pokémon are rare? If not, we have a free space to fit it in:
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{poison color}};"
! Game
! [[Rarity]]
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]] || [[Pokéradar]] || [[Route 201]]
|}
:Otherwise, I prefer how Venonat looks. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
:They aren't always rare. And I've been adding in an availability template to Pokémon pages:

{{Availability|
type=ice |
gen=3 |
rsrarity=Few |
rsarea=[[Shoal Cave]] |
erarity=Few |
earea=[[Shoal Cave]] |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|216}} and {{rtn|217}}, [[Acuity Lakefront]] ([[Poké Radar]]) |
}}

That's what {{p|Snorunt}} has. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

::I'm missing how that template affects the current issue. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. So what about those in the Trophy Garden but need the pokéradar to be found. Should this be mentioned in the location section as well as that they are found in the Trophy Garden? The question was raised when looking at the [[Meowth]] page.

:Yes, it should mention on both pages. And the page is on {{p|Meowth}}, [[Meowth]] is a disambiguation page, so you'd better use the {{template|p}} template. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 18:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::Ok but what about the PokéRadar in the Trophy Garden?[[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 10:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::What do you mean? '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
::::All of the pokemon that change daily in the Trophy Garden eg Happiny, Porygon and Mime Jr. require Pokeradar to find. Should this be mentioned in the template's location section? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 06:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Do they? If so, well, do like Snorunt. Put "[[Trophy Garden]] ([[Poké Radar]])" in the dparea thing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::The Trophy Garden Pokémon '''don't''' need Poké Radar. You just need to walk around a lot. - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 09:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

DONE THANKS GUYS [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 11:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

==Tiers==
Might it be a good idea to create a category for each tier of Pokémon, as of Diamond/Pearl? It would be a bit easier for people to find out what tier their Pokémon is by just scrolling down, as opposed to navigating to the [[list of tiers]] page.
:Well, I dunno, it's really more arbitrary than others. For example, I consider Gorebyss to be pretty good, but I've never used Skarmory. And let's not forget that the list of tiers is in need of cleanup; it seems pretty damn opinionated (and that's not because it says that Typhlosion is "not recommended for use outside of its tier"). After all, any Pokémon can be good if you can figure out how to make it that way. Heck, it's my opinion that the list of tiers is the same sort of "we'll tell you how to play Pokémon and not let you have fun" thing as that recommended movesets thing that was here a while back. Also, don't forget to sign comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::Whoops, sorry about that. Fair point I guess, but it might be handy for competitive players in particular kinds of battle, Never-Used for example. [[User:Blink|Blink]] 15:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::True, but eh. We have many of their level-up movesets, and most of their learnable TMs and HMs listed, as well as their base stats. Itdoes take a bit of investigating, still, to see whether the move in question on their list is Physical or Special, though, but as for how to change this? Beats me...
:::I do think, however, that that would be a better thing to do. Let people make up their own strategies, we'd possibly get more variety in teams. After all, I know that I figured out that Typhlosion wasn't as good with variety on my own, since it can barely learn any Special moves that aren't Fire, but it took me a bit of searching. I'm gonna do some experimenting in my sandbox about how to indicate the Physical/Special/Status moves in my sandbox. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Are tiers just a fandom thing, or was there ever an official list published, even for RSE/FRLG etc?[[User:Blink|Blink]] 14:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
← 
Far as I know they're just a fandom thing. I've never seen an official Nintendo list that says, outright "CATERPIE SUCKS NEVER EVER EVER USE IT." even if '''''everyone''''' knows this to be true. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

So any pokemon can be useful eh? Weedle vs. T-Tar lol.
:Nintendo hasn't said not, therefore, yes, Weedle vs Tyranitar is fine. Frickin' go for it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

First off I want to say that not only does the Tier List need to be made more easily accessible, but a list of Items banned from competitive play would be nice too. I know Quick Claw and Focus Band is out of the question, but Im sure there are more that I don't know about.
Now onto the business at hand.Nintendo actually has hinted at the fact that their are "tiers" in the game. If we look at the Battle Tower in D/P (for example) most of the ubers aren't allowed. The reason Wobbuffett was put on the list was because if two Wobbuffett started off against each other in metagame, you'd have a 65 - 70 turn snoozefest on your hands. The reason Latios and Latias aren't on the in-game uber list, is because not everybody has Soul Dew. The game was designed with balance in mind. Pokemon like Weedle and Caterpie do have a tier called NFE (Not Fully Evolved) now granted some Pokemon are good if NFE (i.e. Trapinch and Pikachu) some Pokemon were designed to not compete with others. Sure you can fight Weedle versus Tyranitar, and sure no one is going to tell you "no you can't do that", but there will be people telling you that Weedle vs. Tyranitar is not too hot of an idea. Flareon is a perfect example of Nintendo designing a Pokemon to not compete with others, you don't think Nintendo didn't realize "we gave a very physical attack oriented Pokemon very few choices when it came to physical attacks" do you? Regigigas is another example, they made sure it didn't get Protect or Rest. And no, Nintendo will never release a list saying "these Pokemon are good, these Pokemon are ok, these Pokemon suck" no company would ever do that cause it would completely take away from the game; Blizzard for instance will never say "rogues are the best kekekek" because then everyone would be rolling rogue. Just like Nintendo will never say "teams without Garchomp in it are destined to fail"; and we must remember that the Tiers Lists are for competitive play, it is indeed very possible to defeat the Elite Four and the Champion using UU and NU Pokemon, but in WiFi games, no a Lopunny will not be able to legitimately beat a Physical Dragonite 1v1. Imagine how annoying it would be to fight an Elite Four member with all OU Pokemon using Hax Items that didn't follow standard battle rules. First battle Bug, Choice Scarf Parasect to Spore EVERYONE of your Pokemon, Choice Band Heracross rocking people who can't counter it, Agility sweeping Life Orb Scizor bending over everything that wasn't resistant to Steel Bug and Fighting, Shuckle, sitting there with its 614 max defenses with only 3 weaknesses, 2 not being too common, Yanmega scouting us for attacks and passing on its speed to someone really slow, and then Pinsir with a bone to pick with whatever was left. Then we'd have Pokemon like a max Cursed out Snorlax getting Quick Claw procs, or Garchomps with Bright Powder milking the fruits of Tyranitar's labor. That's all I'll say for now, and props to whoever is able to read all this. [[User:Broloth|Broloth]] 06:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== Learnsets ==

Okay, I know we'll all agree that other sites that indicate the type and category of a move on the Pokémon's page are helpful for quick lookers. Sure, we shouldn't add power, accuracy, PP, and all that, but at the very least the type and category of the move.

[[User:TTEchidna/Sandbox/Bulbasaur|So this is what I've come up with for Bulbasaur]]. It still indicates STAB, if a person's too lazy to scroll up to see what types the Pokémon is, and for Gen IV, it indicates Physical/Special in addition to type so that a person can pick out moves depending on the stats of the Pokémon as well as its types.

Thoughts? I certainly think that this could make the Pokémon pages much better than they are. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:I think you could be on to something here. It even looks a bit better, aesthetically speaking, than the current table. [[User:Blink|Blink]] 19:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

:: Looks very nice. I feel sorry for you though, having to do that 492 more times. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 06:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah... unless I get some help... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 06:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
::::That's very good. I like the layout better than the current one, since it seems easier to read and clearly shows whether a move is physical, special or status. -[[User:DarkMazer|DarkMazer]] 03:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Now the best question. Wanna help me add them to all the rest?

Also: I have a new, possibly more improved proposal. [[User:TTEchidna/Sandbox/Bulbasaur/Future|Check it out]]. This way, when we get Gen V, VI, VII, and so on... we won't have to move stuff around besides the current moveset. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
: I like your design. *nod* I would say leave it as separate tables on the same pages for Gen V but when we get to Gen VI change it to separate pages altogether. Though that would be a lot of work of converting all the pages. Perhaps we should start changing the pages once we hear Gen VI will be released? (If it does :P)'''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 19:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
::Wouldn't really be much work, per se, if we already have all of the movesets organized into those tables-within-tables like Bulbasaur and some others have. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::So when can we get started on changing them? - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 10:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

== Body shape ==

In GenIV, rather than by colour, Pokémon are able to be searched by a general body shape... Unfortunately, these categories are all symbols rather than names. This would make it hard to be included here, but I thought I'd put forth the idea anyway: Sort Pokémon by body shape, like we do with colour. The first thing, though, is that we'd have to come up with an agreeable standard on what each category should be named (since it doesn't do that for us). Just putting forth the idea for discussion, and whether or not the community thinks it would be useful. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 04:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:We definately want to have some coverage on it but, as you say, it's going to be diffcult to implement. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::So, anyone got any ideas for this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
:::How about we get the sprites from the game for it? As for the category.. um.. "Body Shape 1 Pokémon", etc? That's a suggestion I have. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 03:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
::::But who'll say which is which? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

== Alternate Coloration ==

I've been having plans for starting a subsection to the biology section that describes a Pokémon's alternate coloring. But the thing is, TinatheKirlia told me that such a subsection would be unnecessary because the sprite templates on each article. But I (was with TTEchidna, apparently) believe that describing what a Pokémon's shiny version looks like would be better.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:It seems no more redundant than describing the normal form in the first place... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::Eh, I really think that there are more important things than telling what color a Pokémon is when shiny, but most especially since the sprites do so, and easily demonstrate the differences among the generations (Bulbasaur itself is tan in Gen II, but green with a dark green bulb in III and IV). '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Sometimes the shiny colors (I think this is why) in GenII is because of the limitations of the GBC. Some simple colors, such as [[Red Gyarados]], stay but others such as Bulbasaur and Charizard get a little discolored, because of the limitations.
:::I dunno, but that's my guess. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 23:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Sorry about that misunderstanding, TTE. I thought you were agreeing with me.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== pronunciation ==

Just relizing that I had "THE OFFICIAL Pokémon Handbook" infront of me. I always hated not knowing how to say the names correctly and in this book it says how is it possible to add a section for the first genneration Pokémon. (That's the only handbook I currently have from my school library).--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 01:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I have all of the series of those offical handbooks.................(but what does that have to do with Project Pokédex?????) --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

well they have the pronunciation on every Pokémon shouldn't we put how to say the name of the Pokémon on their page?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 01:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Most people know how to say it......but it's an idea........--[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 02:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I say this because I'm always fighting with my bro (who is 24) about how to say kyogre
He says it as if it was katakana and I disagree.--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 02:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

:It would be a useful addition to the infoboxes. The main question is if there is an official source for beyond the first generation. (Since some people insist that the dub pronounces things wrong for some reason.) I know we got Bonsly confirmed from PUSA but not of any source for the rest. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

well I have the handbooks of the second generation, and the third generation as well. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:I usually pronounce Kyogre as Kai-oh-great (minus the t at the end). But the anime is Kai-oh-ge... '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 13:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I usually pronounce it Kai-oh-ger.
How do i participate in Project Pokédex.
Where exactly is the evolution box on the page.

Woot Glih-score Gly-score debates =D and i don't trust the anime 100% of the time, i still think it's swee - kune, not soo-wee-soon let's not for get that english dubs aren't always right (i.e. Krillin vs. Kuririn, or Tien vs. Tenshinhan.)

== R/S sprites ==

I know you guys aren't done uploading them, but are we gonna do the R/S sprites? Even though we have the Emerald ones... the R/S ones are half distracting. I dunno, just wondering.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:All sprites means ''all'' of 'em. The only problem I see us running into is the shiny Emerald sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 19:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Shadow ==

So um... where should we put info on the Shadow Pokémon? Probably under Game info, or Game locations.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:That'd be a good idea, as a subsection of that. Like...

:Probaly under Game Info..... [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 23:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

===Shadow (name)===
In (Colo/XD) a [[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]] (name) can be found in (location), trained by (trainer). Its moves are (moves) and, when purified, it learns (moves).

'''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:We already have this information. The location table notes which Pokémon are shadow and the moves are noted under the moveset heading. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Size and Weight ==

Hello, I'd like to discuss about the weight and size of Pokémon we display in the pokédex pages, I think they should be there, but they are not. (if they are and I don't see it, please notice me :-])
what do you think?
[[User:MewUser|MewUser]] 11:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
:That information is in the infobox of every article... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 12:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Joining ==

I, Darth Cookie Monster, is humbly asking to join this project[[User:Darth Cookie Monster]] 18:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list of participants. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

== Held items ==

The items Pokémon sometimes hold in the wild. I'm not sure how to implement the information yet but we are currently missing it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about this - maybe add a section in the usebox with Held Item, and a percentage. [[User:Dlt4|Don]] 17:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:This is a good idea, but nobody is willing to do this or couldn't find this part... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind doing this. If someone else would be able to help me, I could try it. [[User:Baynium|Baynium]] 03:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== Number redirecting ==

should the national dex numbers redirect to the pokemon's data page? I can do that if needed. '''[[:User:Origamiguy|折り紙ガイ]] - [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|離す]][[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|貢献]]''' 15:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

== Help! ==

How do I join Project Pokédex?[[User:Medicham225|Medicham225]] 18:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)medicham225
:Simply add your name to the list of participants. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you.[[User:Medicham225|Medicham225]] 23:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Medicham225

== Generation 4 Smogon links ==

The links for generation 4 'mon are still not working correctly. Zhen Lin implied that it would be possible to make the link as a function of the name of the article. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zhen_Lin&diff=prev&oldid=270480#BulbaBot_request] --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 05:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== About the sprites and trivia ==

Can we, you know, STOP FREAKING MENTIONING THEM THERE? They're all charted up, GO FIND THEM AND UPLOAD THEM instead of putting it in the trivia.

Also, next time anyone mentions something as obvious as "the Gen II backsprites and Gen III backsprites for Gen I and II Pokémon are similar" is going to be yelled at. You know why? BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE, just COLORIZED. Game Freak was lazy. Heck, they would've reused the Gen I ones if they weren't total crap. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Why (Pokémon) rather than (species)? ==

I mean, Ash's Butterfree is also a Pokémon. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

: Your point? --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 07:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

::Obviously that it's not correct and should be changed. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 03:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::[[Species]] is something very different. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 03:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::: Pokémon is the creature, Species is the Pokémon's Classification. Bulbasaur is a Pokémon and "Seed Pokémon" uis a type of species. --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 05:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Forgot about this.
:::'''Bulbasaur (species)''' is unambiguous in meaning even to those who aren't used to Bulbapedia. '''Bulbasaur (species)''' can only logically refer to one thing, while '''the Pokémon Bulbasaur''' can refer to either a particular Pokémon character or the [[Pokémon species]] Bulbasaur. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

== Admission ==

Am I allowed to join? [[User:Mr.Lucario|Mr.Lucario]] 11:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone is. [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 15:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokemon ==

I, BlazeFireKitty, spend a lot of time researching legendary Pokemon, and I'll add every single thing that I can get about them to their pages. The pages should really become very informative soon. I've noticed that a few are missing info under behavior and such, because the page is so focused on their game stats.

== Sprites ==

I have been uploading sprites to bulbagarden archives (normal and shiny sprites of first 110 pokemon from crystal), but I hardly seem to be making a dent. is there a list of missing sprites?--[[User:Cadellin|Cadellin]] 18:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:Not really, you just have to look at the seperate species pages. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::As someone who has also been uploading a lot of sprites, here is the current situation as I have seen it:
*All the Gen I sprites are uploaded.
*All the GS front sprites are uploaded.
*We are missing a lot of Crystal sprites, though you seem to be handling that one.
*Generation III has the most gaps. We are missing most of the front sprites for RS and FRLG.
*We do have all the normal Emerald front sprites but not the shiny sprites.
*We have back sprites for Generation II and III but not shiny back sprites.
*As of last week, we have a complete collection of front and back DP sprites.
*We obviously don't have Platinum sprites yet.
::So the main areas to focus on are: Crystal front sprites, Gen II/III shiny back sprites and Generation III front sprites. There's still a long way to go but a lot has already been done. I'll look into getting Gen III into a better shape when I finish inserting the MD2 locations. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::We're also missing a lot of {{p|Castform}} and {{p|Unown}} sprites.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:::For example, we have normal and shiny front and back ''A'' 's for Gold and Silver, normal and shiny ''U'''s for Crystal, a series of wrongly-named Gen III ones as well as a single correct ''Y'' in Ruby/Sapphire then Gen IV is all ''A'' 's. For Castform, we have all the Gen III front and back sprites except for the shiny ones. We also have the Emerald Normal form. In Gen IV, we have all the Normal/shiny ones but no alternate form ones.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I think TTE is still working on the sprite table for Pokémon with multiple forms and consensus before then was that we don't need 28 seperate sprite tables. All we're missing on the standard table is the Gen III sprites and, as I said above, that's a general issue. We do have more sprites on the Archives, though. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I made some templates for Castform and TTE already implemented them. I also made some for Unown that he protected. So we're just waiting for more sprites (and for him to be a little less lazy) to implement them. We discussed it on his last Archive. Also, you said above that we had all the Gen II front sprites but we don't (Unown) that's the main concern here.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::By the way, the template I made for Unown was like Arceus's and therefore didn't show them all at once. Also, we'd need the side games ones. After reading the article, I know that they all look different in Trozei but I don't know if the little Mystery Dungeon 2 pictures we use look any different. Also, did Sugimori do any ar for the other forms except for ''F''? What about the side game sprites of other multi-formed Pokémon like Castform, Burmy, Wormadam, etc. By which I mean to say, are the Trozei, Pinball Ruby and Sapphire or Mystery Dungeon 2 sprites different for any of those?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== I've never talked on the discussion board before, but... ==

I think that I can help a little bit with the movesets. I have a R/S strategy guide that has all the learnsets of the Hoenn Dex in order, and I went through the list of Gen III movesets that we've got already on here. I went through the 200 Pokémon in the guide and found the few that were missing (from the Hoenn Dex, at least.). Since I have almost zero experience doing this kind of thing, I don't want to mess anything up, so here's a short list (Again, just from the Hoenn Dex.):

Marill
Azumarill
Geodude
Graveler
Golem
Zubat
Golbat
Crobat
Tentacool
Tentacruel
Oddish
Gloom
Vileplume
Bellossom
Ninetales
Pichu
Raichu
Golduck
Rhyhorn
Rhydon

All of these Pokémon are, as I said, missing Gen III movesets. I don't know if you've covered this or not, but there you are. Sorry if I'm wasting any time. [[User:Spatula|Spatula]] 03:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== Another sprite suggestion, ==

For ease of use, we have the numbered images with nothing else on them represent the current generation, which is a good idea. Therefore I suggest (and I will do all the work) that we have a 'current generation' template as we do for the others. What do you guys think? Whenever we get a new generation, we can simply use the reupload feature, and slightly edit the template and it will sweep across all the images. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 18:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== A Question I feel is important about Learnsets ==

I see that, for whatever reason, you have omitted previous generations learnsets. Naturally, this is understandable for Gen I and II, and the most recent Gen IV is relevent to most users. However, under move tutors, you have kept the tutors for FR, LG, Emerald and XD alongside DP and Platinum.

I don't think this is wrong, as I believe this is relevent - since the moves are available in the fourth generation, the third gen stuff should stay. However, for things like level up moves, and (maybe) breeding and TM/HM perhaps the information should be included? Or perhaps only the information that has changed, after all a lot of level up information stays the same from generation to generation...

Probably something discussed in the two archives already catalogued that I haven't looked though, but just something that perhaps could be clarified before it is complete, and then everyone realises that they want it a different way. {{unsigned|Aburnett}}
:Um. There's links to the old generation stuff. They're on subpages. Read the learnset headings. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::Can those links be bolded? The Gen1 link is only a few pixels wide. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Headers ==

Can someone please fix the headers? Like make the headers that have one equal sign at the beginning and end have two, and so on. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 01:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I did it myself. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== An idea ==

How about, on the pages of Pokémon, instead of having "origin" and "name origin" as sub-headers of "trivia", how about we do it like this?

<pre>
==Trivia==
(Insert trivia here)
==Origin==
(Insert origin here)
===Name origin===
(Insert name origin here)
</pre>

Currently, we do it like this:

<pre>
==Trivia==
(Insert trivia here)
===Origin===
(Insert origin here)
====Name origin====
(Insert name origin here)
</pre>

I think my version is better, and here's why: The origin usually will have nothing to do with the trivia, and even if it does, the trivial part of the a Pokémon's origin can simply be put in the trivia section. Discuss. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:The origin is trivia. It doesn't affect gameplay. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 09:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::How is it trivia? [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 19:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::''Trivia'' usually means information which can be quite accurate but has few real uses and is relatively unimportant. In this case the design and name origins are just for the sake of the information itself, you probably don't need that for anything else. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 19:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::::But a lot of people will want to know the origin and name origin. So they are important. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 19:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::"People would want to know" and "affects the key aspects of the medium" (anime:canon, game:gameplay) are completely different things. Besides, the first is a highly subjective criterium which is probably a good argument for inclusion on the page, while the second is a relatively solid criterium for where that info would be placed.
:::::For example, it's interesting to know that Ghost attacks, despite the Sabrina episodes, were not supereffective against Psychics in generation 1, and a lot of people who played the games ''and'' watched the anime would be curious about whether or not the game followed the anime in that respect, but it simply doesn't matter to the main aspect of the anime, which is the plot. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 23:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::A lot of people will want to know other various items under Trivia as well, but they don't deserve to be noted under their own high-level headings either. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 22:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

== GenI/II menusprites ==

If I remember correctly, the menusprites in the first and second generations sort of divided all the Pokémon into categories kind of like the way the "Body Shape" thing works in the fourth generation Pokédex. Since you guys have already sorted them that way, maybe (if any of you guys ever have spare time and are bored or whatever) you guys could maybe classify the GenI andII Pokémon that way.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:If you can do it accurately, then collect the information. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 23:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::I could try to get them for the ones I caught in Red/Blue but I can't get the sprites. How would we classify them anyways? They're like body styles but for older generations.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 15:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== "In the TCG" and "TCG-only moves" ==

I have an idea. "TCG-only moves" is currently a sub-section of "Learnset", which is a sub-section of "Game data". However, the TCG isn't one of the technology-based games. Based on that, I think the section "TCG-only moves" should instead be a sub-section of the section "In the TCG". Who agrees with me? [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 00:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC) 
Bump. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 01:14 12/11/2008
:Well, since we have said to wait on the list of TCG moves, this shouldn't be an issue, because no page should currently have them yet. But, there is this thing called the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|Pokémon Trading card '''''game''''']] that these moves appear in. They should go with the other lists of moves because it fits better with that info. HOWEVER, no one should be doing anything with this mini-project until the jname mini-project is done, so this doesn't matter yet. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::The pages have had TCG-only moves for ages. You can't retroactively decide an article can't have valid content until you're ready with an unrelated page.
::And no, TCG and the video games are different things under the usual definition. Movesets should stay together, though, so both this and the anime-only moves should stay where they are. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

== Anime Pokédex Entries ==

Would anyone here object if I placed Pokédex entries from the anime onto the Pokémon pages themselves. Someone claimed there was already a page for that but I am unable to find it. Therefore, would it be ok for me to do the entries? {{u|WatcherMark}}
:We already have a page of them, but it is incomplete. We are waiting for when we get all the entries in order to put them on the pages. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::Can someone please send me the link for this page. I would like to contribute to it where I can. Thanks [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 10:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I am getting tired of people removing those entries. They benefit the article so leave them alone. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
::::[[User:Theryguy512/Anime Dex Project|Here]] ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 18:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== Uploading Sprites ==

I've begun uploading some of the missing sprites (kecleon shiny gen. III front & back, eevee gen. III shiny back, so far), and I've put in the filenames listed on the pages, but they don't actually appear on the pages. If you click the link it goes to the picture.. Could someone help me out with this? --[[User:Snowrunt|Snowrunt]]
:It's just the server being slow. All you can do is wait and the page will update by itself. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, that's it. I'm sorry about that! Thanks. ^^ --[[User:Snowrunt|Snowrunt]]

== Battle Frontier Movesets ==

Don't know if this is the right place to bring this up, but I couldn't think of a better place. Basically, I've noticed that in the Battle Frontier each Pokemon species (other than wilds and those owned by Brains) seems to have a specific moveset.
For example, every Clamperl has Toxic, Dive, Iron Defense and Double Team. I was just wondering if it'd be worth attempting to note down each Pokemon's Battle Frontier movesets on their individual pages, it might be a useful piece of information. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 12:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:They are the only moves that [[Clamperl (Pokémon)#By leveling up|Clamperl]] can learn from leveling up and even then, they start with those particular moves. Also that is something that would be added to the battle frontier pages if it were the case that it was specific to the battle frontier, which it is not. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 00:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:: Clamperl cannot learn Toxic, Dive or Double Team by levelling up. Every trained Pokemon of any given species other than those of Brains definitely has the same moves always, I'm playing through the Battle Frontier at the moment, so with time I could give more examples. I just thought it might be better suited on each Pokemon's page as a list of over 400 Pokemon and their movesets on the Battle Frontier page (as it just has one page) might be a bit excessive. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry I didn't read thought you post clearly. Also, which battle frontier are you talking about? —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 19:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::: Hoenn one, I don't know anything about the Sinnoh one. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 19:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::You might be on to something but it seems like a waste of time to me. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 19:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
So does that mean I should start on this or do I need permission from some kind of admin? [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 20:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Here's my rule off thumb. Do it, if an admin undoes it don't do it again —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 01:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
The problem is, this is something I have noticed personally and it's kind of a big change to do this to every page, so I'd like the action to be confirmed by an admin BEFORE I go crazy editing 350 (or so) pages =P [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== See Also ==

How about adding a 'See Aslo' tittle to the bottom of every Pokémon's page and in that tittle you can put the evolutions of that Pokémon, it obviously doesn't need to be added to a Pokémon's page if the Pokémon only has one evolution. So what does everyone think?--'''[[User:MysteryHeff?|MysteryHeff?]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff?|TALK]] 07:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:But each Pokémon's evolutions are already shown in the Evolution subsection on each page. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 08:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok, sorry I didn't realize.--'''[[User:MysteryHeff?|MysteryHeff?]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff?|TALK]] 08:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Can I join? ==

Hey, can I join the project? I figure that I edit quite a few Pokémon pages... and It would be better If I'd join. The page says to ask (or something like that) on the talk page... so here... Can I join?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|THE "X" MEANS "PEACE" TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS...]] 19:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:Does this {{tt|"silence"|Can't you just hear that echo?}} mean I can join?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 04:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::We should change that. Anyone is allowed to join, as long as you follow the requirements set by the Project Leader (if any are on the page) and sign your name on the list. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 04:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Ehh, it says "To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list", so that means you're free to join, you don't need permission anymore. Maybe you read "If you would like to help, please inquire on the talk page or the Bulbapedia forum and see the Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex/To-do list." lol. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 04:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::::With that out of the way, hello, {{tt|new project|My 3rd project... wow!}}!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 20:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Background... ==

Is it ok if all the Pokémon pages have backgrounds? For instance, for Chinchou, we can use this:
<nowiki>
{| width="100%" style="background: #{{electric color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{electric color}}; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 1em;"
|-
| text align="left" style="background: #{{water color light}};" | __NOTOC__</nowiki> 
Credit goes to MAGNEDETH. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== Can i join? ==

Can i join the Project Pokédex?[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 01:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I know...I just follow the instructions[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 05:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::I added my name to the list, but I had a problem. I can't edit the pages! How does that happen? I have just joined, but I've confirmed my email... what else do I have to do? [[User:JetanHertz13|JetanHertz13]] 00:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:::All Pokemon pages are currently on lockdown. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Formes ==

Over the past while, I've been doing quite a bit of work about Pokémon's different Formes/forms. I was wondering if this project would like me to coordinate part of project Pokédex to organize the inclusion of alternate forms on the wiki? Or would it be better that I make a subproject (as in Project FormeDex)? Or, perhaps, I should just keep control of it on my own?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure how much organization it needs... A separate project or subproject, in my view at least, isn't required. A section of this Project may be justified. How much more work needs to be done regarding alternate formes? Can you list your ideas here and we'll run through them. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Currently, I've somewhat made sure that all the work has been done. However, I was proposing this in order to organize policies for {{tt|future forms|which, at the rate GameFreak's going, there will be a lot of soon}}. {{tt|I|or we}} could hammer out said policies somewhere and, like you said, include it in a section here.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, and you've done a good job so far. I don't think much more needs to be done, other than making sure that Castform is sorted out. In the event that HGSS introduces new forms (which it better not, other than Shellos/Gastrodon if they can be caught there), we can deal with that when it comes. I think this issue is best dealt with informally. Without wanting to sound elitist, we don't need every new user trying to help out with this because a decent amount of coding knowledge is required. If you really want to write it down{{tt|,|which may be useful in the event that TTE, you, and I all die in some freak accident the day before Gen V comes out}} put it in a sub. "User:MisterE13/Guidelines for alternate formes" or something like that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== HI! ==

Hi, can I join this project? I though it would be a bit inpolite just to add my name to the article and put the Project Pokédex tag on my user page without asking first. I know lots about the different Pokémon species and could help to improve the articles a lot. So, what do you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 12:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:Anyone can join the project. It's not impolite, it's greatly appreciated when one insert their name, specially when they do well. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, all right then. Thanks! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 21:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::No one has to ask to join this project, or any project. Just sign up! — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Global PokedeX Plus ==

I think we should have a section in the articles about Global PokedeX Plus (gpxplus.net) that tell like, what their eggs look like, how much interactions they need to hatch/level up...stuff like that. [[User:Puppo530|Puppo530]] 01:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:It appears to be a fansite.... From your description (different eggs) it seems to be fanon, but it won't let me register so I can't verify this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

::it is indeed fanon, they do even include "fakemon" and recolours (Easter Buneary)
::while they frown upon "eggdexii" I would not be adverse to help acquire egg images, egg descriptions, and interaction/level up stats.
::Interestingly, their game mechanics allow for male species+female species breeding = male species/female species egg as well as female/male+ungendered=egg of either, so you can breed a Castform of either gender with Rotom and get both Castform and Rotom eggs. ~ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Trainer pokémon ==

Shouldn't there be a section that says if any trainers own the pokémon, and if so, who and where they are? It would make filling the Sinnoh 'dex much easier. --[[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 10:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:There's a table [[Hiker|some trainer classes]], look there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, but I think a list of trainers should be on the Pokémon's page --[[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 14:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:::That'd get a bit ridiculous...for instance, look at {{p|Mew}}'s page. Big page, and though there are no trainers that have Mew in their [[party]], {{p|Pikachu}} is another primary example. Look at that page. Adding more would make life more or less the same, if not more confusing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Channel + ==

On the Eggzmination channel in Pokémon Channel, there are facts that go across the top of the screen. There are facts about *presumably* every Pokémon. This would take a while to chronicle, but what if we could put those facts into the side-game data table under Pokémon Channel? If not, I suppose it would work just put them under a respective category..
But I think it would be good to add a Pokémon Channel section to the side game data. In case you haven't played, there are Pokémon wandering about, and you can get trading cards from them, but only if you answer a trivia fact about the Pokémon being questioned. We could put the question and answer in the side game data, as well as the Pokémon description on the trading card (I can't exactly recall if there is one though)? Just wanted to mention this.

Also, I checked out the structure for this project. For the "In the manga" section, the structure says to put Pokémon Special first, then Electric Tale of Pikachu, them Pipipi and Chamo Pretty then others, but very few articles are actually organized like this, including the model articles. Should they be changed to go in that order? And should each manga get it's own subtitle, like Pokémon Special does?

Last thing I promise! In the "In the anime" section for some articles, the subtitles are Major appearances and Minor appearances. Are they all going to be put in this format eventually?
Sorry for writing so much.. I'm full of questions. --[[User:Snowrunt|'''ℓaℓa''']] [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ℓe]] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''snoωrunt''']] 00:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

:It's been a while, so I'm gonna bump this.. --[[User:Snowrunt|'''ℓaℓa''']] [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ℓe]] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''snoωrunt''']] 17:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon pictures ==

This is just a suggestion... do you think it would be better not to use the Emerald and Platinum artwork on the Hoenn and Sinnoh starters' pages? I've noticed that on the official online Pokédexes, as well as recent official books, their RS and DP artwork is still used, and appears to be their "standard" artwork. I know they are the more recent, but Ken Sugimori's Emerald and Platinum illustrations are simply promotional art for those games, and are not considered "standard" by Nintendo. What I'm trying to say is, if Bulbapedia were an official Pokémon site overseen by Nintendo, the Emerald and Platinum artwork wouldn't be used in the main articles, they would use the RS and DP art instead. Does anyone agree with me? Sorry if I made this sound confusing, I didn't really know how else to put it! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 15:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Am I the only one to notice this? ==

In Platinum, '''MANY''' Pokemon received new backsprites. How come they haven't been added yet? Examples are Gengar, Gligar, Suicune, Entei, Raikou, Mantyke, Porygon2, the list goes on... --Chaos Rush 00:41:30 (UTC)
:Most of the new backsprites have been uploaded to the archives, but the sprite table doesn't currently support multiple backsprites. I can't find it just at the moment, but I remember seeing this discussed somewhere recently. I believe that conversation concluded that a new sprite template should be developed, but it isn't the kind of thing that will happen overnight. There are other templates which need updating as well. There is also a similar problem with the R/S/E and FR/LG sprites. Any Pokémon which have received an updated front sprite between games of the same generation will probably have a new back sprite as well. Just look for them on the archives for the moment. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::We could potentially use a system such as the one I implemented [[Player character|here]] (with backsprites underneath). If we do decide to do it, putting them into the template shouldn't be too hard (though changing all the names could be).--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::: Well, IMO, you guys should do whatever works out best, as long as it shows all the sprites. If I recall correctly, some Pokemon in even Crystal version got new backsprites as well. Also I'd like to mention that the front sprites on the Natu, Xatu, and Mareep pages for Platinum are incorrect. Again, nobody seems to have noticed this, but Natu, Xatu, and Mareep had a different color palette in Platinum, but their pages simply show their D/P colors, which are false. --Chaos Rush 04:30:02 (UTC)
::::While I can't comment about Crystal, the reason the DP sprites are shown is because of the automated table setup. If the Pt sprite has not been uploaded, the DP sprite will show. If we haven't got it, of course we can't show it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Hope this is okay...? ==

Uh, hi! I'm new and I just went ahead and added myself to the project, I'm assuming that's all right.

So I'm going through and putting English translations of the HGSS Pokedex entries, for the Pokemon that I either have in the dex on my own HG game, or the Pokemon that have Japanese entries on their pages. I hope that's okay. It seems that the gen1 Pokemon have the same entries as in Gold (for HG) and the gen2 Pokemon have the entries from LG in HG, and FR in SS. I'm only putting the ones that I've actually seen the Japanese entries for though, because I can't be 100% sure about the others.

If that's totally not okay, feel free to just go ahead and revert my edits. :) --19:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[[User:Umeko|Umeko]]
:Thank you. We did this for Platinum, so I see no problem with it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
::So for the past few weeks I've just been submitting the HeartGold dex entries as I obtained them on my own HG game (and was thus able to 100% confirm that they were the same as the Gold entries). A Japanese friend playing SoulSilver just tweeted that the SS entries are are all the same as Silver... Should we go through and add those too? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Aaaaaand according to this friend, the HGSS dex entries for the third and fourth gen Pokemon are new... once I get those entries, would you like me to translate them (temporary, until the NA version is released)? I'd totally be willing to. I won't if that's against policy though. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::::As long as they are replaced when the game is released in English-speaking territories, having translations of the Japanese entries is very helpful. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Awesome, that'll be fun! I'll start on that with the few HGSS entries from the Japanese wiki... But is there some sort of template I should use to distinguish the entries as unofficially-translated and slated to be replaced next spring? I'm still getting used to wiki, so... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::I went through the Japanese wiki and have translated the HGSS entries that were available for the 3rd and 4th-gen Pokemon - {{p|Seedot}}, {{p|Shroomish}}, {{p|Latios}}, {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Chimchar}}, {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Starly}}, {{p|Staravia}}, {{p|Staraptor}}, {{p|Giratina}}, and {{p|Arceus}}. I'll work on editing them into the appropriate pages now, using the <nowiki>{{tt}}</nowiki> template because I'm... not sure how they should be put in there. This seemed like the best option to me, but if something else is preferred, feel free to change them (there aren't that many yet, after all, only like ten).

:::::Also the Japanese wiki had on some of the pages that the given entry was only for one version of the games, and on some of the pages that the entry was for both HG and SS. This will be reflected in the edits I make, because I have no idea and have to just take the Japanese wiki's word for it. ¯\(º_o)/¯

:::::So... yes. Tell me what you think/if I've screwed up majorly and fail at life! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:14, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex/Archive 3

2009-10-28T15:35:31Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* Global PokedeX Plus */

==Archives==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from March 14, 2005–August 26, 2006)
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (discussions from October 7, 2006–May 19, 2007)

== About external links and fan shrines... ==

I couldn't help but notice that within the Project Pokedex section, it is mentioned that Pokemon can receive not only wikipedia links but fan shrine links, too.

Now, before I jumped ahead of myself, I checked a few of the obviously more popular Pokemon, like Eevee or Pikachu. You can't go wrong with that. What I noticed is that the only fan stuffs listed is fanlistings, though. While that's something, it is what it is... a list. Granted, Poke-centric (that is, non human) shrines seem to be hard to come by in the 'States for some reason.

So, my question is, what would I have to do to get a fan shrine listed? Does there have to meet certain requirements? Is it necessary that it's a fanlisting? The site is in English, in case you're wondering. I know the ratio of Japanese artsy Poke-centric sites to US ones is extremely skewed in their favor, so I can see where that could be a concern, if a concern at all.
--[[User:Nidorino|Nidorino]] 16:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:I would say in this matter, it's more quality that matters than notability. If you have a site that is good enough to be of interest to someone looking for some sort of information on the Pokémon - go ahead and add it. But if it's something that's low-quality and not useful, expect to see the link removed shortly after.
:Also, I would rule that foreign language sites can also be included - but with stricter inclusion standards, at the bottom of the external links list, and with its language included in parentheses so people don't click expecting an English site and get something in a different language. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 18:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

::Well, it's actually more interesting and for leisure than it is informational. I sorta made it both because I thought the Nidoran line was severely underappreciated and I got a little tired of the thousands of informational Pokemon sites but no fun multimedia ones. I suppose for what it's worth, it'll probably be really nice for any Pokemon fan since there's lots to see and do (for a Nido centric site, it's actually doing really well), I put a ''lot'' of work into it as well.

::The quality lies in the content, I go all out on what talents I have all for the sake of Nido Pokemon. There's also people who share the same idea, so a lot of contributions have come from people all over, it's probably ''one of'' the biggest Nido fan gatherings, which truthfully isn't a hard goal to aspire for considering the Pokemon in question. My main reasoning behind it, though, is that I just think that Nido fans shouldn't be left out of the picture, considering I know how hard it is to find anything interesting about them at all.

::So I guess what it comes down to is what one wants. It someone's trying to read hard facts, well, they could do that anywhere. But if someone's looking for something fun and different, that's the goal I want to accomplish.

::Would that still be okay?--[[User:Nidorino|Nidorino]] 18:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

== Biology ==

There's been a bit of controversy over the content in the biology section of {{p|Typhlosion}}'s article. It may be an idea to keep an eye over the stuff that goes in that section. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:... how in the world did we miss that? D: --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 00:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Darn, i want to know what it says lol [[User:Broloth|Broloth]] 06:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

==Diamond and Pearl Pokéradar==
In relation to the Pokeradar in Daimond and Pearl. Should it be mentioned in the Rarity section like [[Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)]] or in the Location section like [[Venonat (Pokémon)]]. Just asking so that there can be some consistancy in the articles. [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 08:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:Do we need to point out that the Pokéradar Pokémon are rare? If not, we have a free space to fit it in:
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{poison color}};"
! Game
! [[Rarity]]
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]] || [[Pokéradar]] || [[Route 201]]
|}
:Otherwise, I prefer how Venonat looks. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
:They aren't always rare. And I've been adding in an availability template to Pokémon pages:

{{Availability|
type=ice |
gen=3 |
rsrarity=Few |
rsarea=[[Shoal Cave]] |
erarity=Few |
earea=[[Shoal Cave]] |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|216}} and {{rtn|217}}, [[Acuity Lakefront]] ([[Poké Radar]]) |
}}

That's what {{p|Snorunt}} has. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

::I'm missing how that template affects the current issue. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. So what about those in the Trophy Garden but need the pokéradar to be found. Should this be mentioned in the location section as well as that they are found in the Trophy Garden? The question was raised when looking at the [[Meowth]] page.

:Yes, it should mention on both pages. And the page is on {{p|Meowth}}, [[Meowth]] is a disambiguation page, so you'd better use the {{template|p}} template. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 18:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::Ok but what about the PokéRadar in the Trophy Garden?[[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 10:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::What do you mean? '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
::::All of the pokemon that change daily in the Trophy Garden eg Happiny, Porygon and Mime Jr. require Pokeradar to find. Should this be mentioned in the template's location section? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 06:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Do they? If so, well, do like Snorunt. Put "[[Trophy Garden]] ([[Poké Radar]])" in the dparea thing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::The Trophy Garden Pokémon '''don't''' need Poké Radar. You just need to walk around a lot. - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 09:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

DONE THANKS GUYS [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 11:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

==Tiers==
Might it be a good idea to create a category for each tier of Pokémon, as of Diamond/Pearl? It would be a bit easier for people to find out what tier their Pokémon is by just scrolling down, as opposed to navigating to the [[list of tiers]] page.
:Well, I dunno, it's really more arbitrary than others. For example, I consider Gorebyss to be pretty good, but I've never used Skarmory. And let's not forget that the list of tiers is in need of cleanup; it seems pretty damn opinionated (and that's not because it says that Typhlosion is "not recommended for use outside of its tier"). After all, any Pokémon can be good if you can figure out how to make it that way. Heck, it's my opinion that the list of tiers is the same sort of "we'll tell you how to play Pokémon and not let you have fun" thing as that recommended movesets thing that was here a while back. Also, don't forget to sign comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::Whoops, sorry about that. Fair point I guess, but it might be handy for competitive players in particular kinds of battle, Never-Used for example. [[User:Blink|Blink]] 15:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::True, but eh. We have many of their level-up movesets, and most of their learnable TMs and HMs listed, as well as their base stats. Itdoes take a bit of investigating, still, to see whether the move in question on their list is Physical or Special, though, but as for how to change this? Beats me...
:::I do think, however, that that would be a better thing to do. Let people make up their own strategies, we'd possibly get more variety in teams. After all, I know that I figured out that Typhlosion wasn't as good with variety on my own, since it can barely learn any Special moves that aren't Fire, but it took me a bit of searching. I'm gonna do some experimenting in my sandbox about how to indicate the Physical/Special/Status moves in my sandbox. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Are tiers just a fandom thing, or was there ever an official list published, even for RSE/FRLG etc?[[User:Blink|Blink]] 14:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
← 
Far as I know they're just a fandom thing. I've never seen an official Nintendo list that says, outright "CATERPIE SUCKS NEVER EVER EVER USE IT." even if '''''everyone''''' knows this to be true. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

So any pokemon can be useful eh? Weedle vs. T-Tar lol.
:Nintendo hasn't said not, therefore, yes, Weedle vs Tyranitar is fine. Frickin' go for it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

First off I want to say that not only does the Tier List need to be made more easily accessible, but a list of Items banned from competitive play would be nice too. I know Quick Claw and Focus Band is out of the question, but Im sure there are more that I don't know about.
Now onto the business at hand.Nintendo actually has hinted at the fact that their are "tiers" in the game. If we look at the Battle Tower in D/P (for example) most of the ubers aren't allowed. The reason Wobbuffett was put on the list was because if two Wobbuffett started off against each other in metagame, you'd have a 65 - 70 turn snoozefest on your hands. The reason Latios and Latias aren't on the in-game uber list, is because not everybody has Soul Dew. The game was designed with balance in mind. Pokemon like Weedle and Caterpie do have a tier called NFE (Not Fully Evolved) now granted some Pokemon are good if NFE (i.e. Trapinch and Pikachu) some Pokemon were designed to not compete with others. Sure you can fight Weedle versus Tyranitar, and sure no one is going to tell you "no you can't do that", but there will be people telling you that Weedle vs. Tyranitar is not too hot of an idea. Flareon is a perfect example of Nintendo designing a Pokemon to not compete with others, you don't think Nintendo didn't realize "we gave a very physical attack oriented Pokemon very few choices when it came to physical attacks" do you? Regigigas is another example, they made sure it didn't get Protect or Rest. And no, Nintendo will never release a list saying "these Pokemon are good, these Pokemon are ok, these Pokemon suck" no company would ever do that cause it would completely take away from the game; Blizzard for instance will never say "rogues are the best kekekek" because then everyone would be rolling rogue. Just like Nintendo will never say "teams without Garchomp in it are destined to fail"; and we must remember that the Tiers Lists are for competitive play, it is indeed very possible to defeat the Elite Four and the Champion using UU and NU Pokemon, but in WiFi games, no a Lopunny will not be able to legitimately beat a Physical Dragonite 1v1. Imagine how annoying it would be to fight an Elite Four member with all OU Pokemon using Hax Items that didn't follow standard battle rules. First battle Bug, Choice Scarf Parasect to Spore EVERYONE of your Pokemon, Choice Band Heracross rocking people who can't counter it, Agility sweeping Life Orb Scizor bending over everything that wasn't resistant to Steel Bug and Fighting, Shuckle, sitting there with its 614 max defenses with only 3 weaknesses, 2 not being too common, Yanmega scouting us for attacks and passing on its speed to someone really slow, and then Pinsir with a bone to pick with whatever was left. Then we'd have Pokemon like a max Cursed out Snorlax getting Quick Claw procs, or Garchomps with Bright Powder milking the fruits of Tyranitar's labor. That's all I'll say for now, and props to whoever is able to read all this. [[User:Broloth|Broloth]] 06:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== Learnsets ==

Okay, I know we'll all agree that other sites that indicate the type and category of a move on the Pokémon's page are helpful for quick lookers. Sure, we shouldn't add power, accuracy, PP, and all that, but at the very least the type and category of the move.

[[User:TTEchidna/Sandbox/Bulbasaur|So this is what I've come up with for Bulbasaur]]. It still indicates STAB, if a person's too lazy to scroll up to see what types the Pokémon is, and for Gen IV, it indicates Physical/Special in addition to type so that a person can pick out moves depending on the stats of the Pokémon as well as its types.

Thoughts? I certainly think that this could make the Pokémon pages much better than they are. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:I think you could be on to something here. It even looks a bit better, aesthetically speaking, than the current table. [[User:Blink|Blink]] 19:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

:: Looks very nice. I feel sorry for you though, having to do that 492 more times. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 06:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah... unless I get some help... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 06:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
::::That's very good. I like the layout better than the current one, since it seems easier to read and clearly shows whether a move is physical, special or status. -[[User:DarkMazer|DarkMazer]] 03:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Now the best question. Wanna help me add them to all the rest?

Also: I have a new, possibly more improved proposal. [[User:TTEchidna/Sandbox/Bulbasaur/Future|Check it out]]. This way, when we get Gen V, VI, VII, and so on... we won't have to move stuff around besides the current moveset. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
: I like your design. *nod* I would say leave it as separate tables on the same pages for Gen V but when we get to Gen VI change it to separate pages altogether. Though that would be a lot of work of converting all the pages. Perhaps we should start changing the pages once we hear Gen VI will be released? (If it does :P)'''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 19:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
::Wouldn't really be much work, per se, if we already have all of the movesets organized into those tables-within-tables like Bulbasaur and some others have. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::So when can we get started on changing them? - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 10:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

== Body shape ==

In GenIV, rather than by colour, Pokémon are able to be searched by a general body shape... Unfortunately, these categories are all symbols rather than names. This would make it hard to be included here, but I thought I'd put forth the idea anyway: Sort Pokémon by body shape, like we do with colour. The first thing, though, is that we'd have to come up with an agreeable standard on what each category should be named (since it doesn't do that for us). Just putting forth the idea for discussion, and whether or not the community thinks it would be useful. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 04:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:We definately want to have some coverage on it but, as you say, it's going to be diffcult to implement. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::So, anyone got any ideas for this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
:::How about we get the sprites from the game for it? As for the category.. um.. "Body Shape 1 Pokémon", etc? That's a suggestion I have. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 03:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
::::But who'll say which is which? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

== Alternate Coloration ==

I've been having plans for starting a subsection to the biology section that describes a Pokémon's alternate coloring. But the thing is, TinatheKirlia told me that such a subsection would be unnecessary because the sprite templates on each article. But I (was with TTEchidna, apparently) believe that describing what a Pokémon's shiny version looks like would be better.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:It seems no more redundant than describing the normal form in the first place... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::Eh, I really think that there are more important things than telling what color a Pokémon is when shiny, but most especially since the sprites do so, and easily demonstrate the differences among the generations (Bulbasaur itself is tan in Gen II, but green with a dark green bulb in III and IV). '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Sometimes the shiny colors (I think this is why) in GenII is because of the limitations of the GBC. Some simple colors, such as [[Red Gyarados]], stay but others such as Bulbasaur and Charizard get a little discolored, because of the limitations.
:::I dunno, but that's my guess. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 23:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Sorry about that misunderstanding, TTE. I thought you were agreeing with me.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== pronunciation ==

Just relizing that I had "THE OFFICIAL Pokémon Handbook" infront of me. I always hated not knowing how to say the names correctly and in this book it says how is it possible to add a section for the first genneration Pokémon. (That's the only handbook I currently have from my school library).--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 01:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I have all of the series of those offical handbooks.................(but what does that have to do with Project Pokédex?????) --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

well they have the pronunciation on every Pokémon shouldn't we put how to say the name of the Pokémon on their page?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 01:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Most people know how to say it......but it's an idea........--[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 02:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I say this because I'm always fighting with my bro (who is 24) about how to say kyogre
He says it as if it was katakana and I disagree.--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん 02:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

:It would be a useful addition to the infoboxes. The main question is if there is an official source for beyond the first generation. (Since some people insist that the dub pronounces things wrong for some reason.) I know we got Bonsly confirmed from PUSA but not of any source for the rest. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

well I have the handbooks of the second generation, and the third generation as well. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:I usually pronounce Kyogre as Kai-oh-great (minus the t at the end). But the anime is Kai-oh-ge... '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 13:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I usually pronounce it Kai-oh-ger.
How do i participate in Project Pokédex.
Where exactly is the evolution box on the page.

Woot Glih-score Gly-score debates =D and i don't trust the anime 100% of the time, i still think it's swee - kune, not soo-wee-soon let's not for get that english dubs aren't always right (i.e. Krillin vs. Kuririn, or Tien vs. Tenshinhan.)

== R/S sprites ==

I know you guys aren't done uploading them, but are we gonna do the R/S sprites? Even though we have the Emerald ones... the R/S ones are half distracting. I dunno, just wondering.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:All sprites means ''all'' of 'em. The only problem I see us running into is the shiny Emerald sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 19:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Shadow ==

So um... where should we put info on the Shadow Pokémon? Probably under Game info, or Game locations.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:That'd be a good idea, as a subsection of that. Like...

:Probaly under Game Info..... [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 23:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

===Shadow (name)===
In (Colo/XD) a [[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]] (name) can be found in (location), trained by (trainer). Its moves are (moves) and, when purified, it learns (moves).

'''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:We already have this information. The location table notes which Pokémon are shadow and the moves are noted under the moveset heading. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Size and Weight ==

Hello, I'd like to discuss about the weight and size of Pokémon we display in the pokédex pages, I think they should be there, but they are not. (if they are and I don't see it, please notice me :-])
what do you think?
[[User:MewUser|MewUser]] 11:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
:That information is in the infobox of every article... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 12:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Joining ==

I, Darth Cookie Monster, is humbly asking to join this project[[User:Darth Cookie Monster]] 18:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list of participants. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

== Held items ==

The items Pokémon sometimes hold in the wild. I'm not sure how to implement the information yet but we are currently missing it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about this - maybe add a section in the usebox with Held Item, and a percentage. [[User:Dlt4|Don]] 17:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:This is a good idea, but nobody is willing to do this or couldn't find this part... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind doing this. If someone else would be able to help me, I could try it. [[User:Baynium|Baynium]] 03:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== Number redirecting ==

should the national dex numbers redirect to the pokemon's data page? I can do that if needed. '''[[:User:Origamiguy|折り紙ガイ]] - [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|離す]][[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|貢献]]''' 15:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

== Help! ==

How do I join Project Pokédex?[[User:Medicham225|Medicham225]] 18:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)medicham225
:Simply add your name to the list of participants. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you.[[User:Medicham225|Medicham225]] 23:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Medicham225

== Generation 4 Smogon links ==

The links for generation 4 'mon are still not working correctly. Zhen Lin implied that it would be possible to make the link as a function of the name of the article. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zhen_Lin&diff=prev&oldid=270480#BulbaBot_request] --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 05:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== About the sprites and trivia ==

Can we, you know, STOP FREAKING MENTIONING THEM THERE? They're all charted up, GO FIND THEM AND UPLOAD THEM instead of putting it in the trivia.

Also, next time anyone mentions something as obvious as "the Gen II backsprites and Gen III backsprites for Gen I and II Pokémon are similar" is going to be yelled at. You know why? BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE, just COLORIZED. Game Freak was lazy. Heck, they would've reused the Gen I ones if they weren't total crap. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Why (Pokémon) rather than (species)? ==

I mean, Ash's Butterfree is also a Pokémon. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

: Your point? --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 07:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

::Obviously that it's not correct and should be changed. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 03:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::[[Species]] is something very different. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 03:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::: Pokémon is the creature, Species is the Pokémon's Classification. Bulbasaur is a Pokémon and "Seed Pokémon" uis a type of species. --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 05:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Forgot about this.
:::'''Bulbasaur (species)''' is unambiguous in meaning even to those who aren't used to Bulbapedia. '''Bulbasaur (species)''' can only logically refer to one thing, while '''the Pokémon Bulbasaur''' can refer to either a particular Pokémon character or the [[Pokémon species]] Bulbasaur. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

== Admission ==

Am I allowed to join? [[User:Mr.Lucario|Mr.Lucario]] 11:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone is. [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 15:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokemon ==

I, BlazeFireKitty, spend a lot of time researching legendary Pokemon, and I'll add every single thing that I can get about them to their pages. The pages should really become very informative soon. I've noticed that a few are missing info under behavior and such, because the page is so focused on their game stats.

== Sprites ==

I have been uploading sprites to bulbagarden archives (normal and shiny sprites of first 110 pokemon from crystal), but I hardly seem to be making a dent. is there a list of missing sprites?--[[User:Cadellin|Cadellin]] 18:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:Not really, you just have to look at the seperate species pages. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::As someone who has also been uploading a lot of sprites, here is the current situation as I have seen it:
*All the Gen I sprites are uploaded.
*All the GS front sprites are uploaded.
*We are missing a lot of Crystal sprites, though you seem to be handling that one.
*Generation III has the most gaps. We are missing most of the front sprites for RS and FRLG.
*We do have all the normal Emerald front sprites but not the shiny sprites.
*We have back sprites for Generation II and III but not shiny back sprites.
*As of last week, we have a complete collection of front and back DP sprites.
*We obviously don't have Platinum sprites yet.
::So the main areas to focus on are: Crystal front sprites, Gen II/III shiny back sprites and Generation III front sprites. There's still a long way to go but a lot has already been done. I'll look into getting Gen III into a better shape when I finish inserting the MD2 locations. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::We're also missing a lot of {{p|Castform}} and {{p|Unown}} sprites.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:::For example, we have normal and shiny front and back ''A'' 's for Gold and Silver, normal and shiny ''U'''s for Crystal, a series of wrongly-named Gen III ones as well as a single correct ''Y'' in Ruby/Sapphire then Gen IV is all ''A'' 's. For Castform, we have all the Gen III front and back sprites except for the shiny ones. We also have the Emerald Normal form. In Gen IV, we have all the Normal/shiny ones but no alternate form ones.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I think TTE is still working on the sprite table for Pokémon with multiple forms and consensus before then was that we don't need 28 seperate sprite tables. All we're missing on the standard table is the Gen III sprites and, as I said above, that's a general issue. We do have more sprites on the Archives, though. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I made some templates for Castform and TTE already implemented them. I also made some for Unown that he protected. So we're just waiting for more sprites (and for him to be a little less lazy) to implement them. We discussed it on his last Archive. Also, you said above that we had all the Gen II front sprites but we don't (Unown) that's the main concern here.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::By the way, the template I made for Unown was like Arceus's and therefore didn't show them all at once. Also, we'd need the side games ones. After reading the article, I know that they all look different in Trozei but I don't know if the little Mystery Dungeon 2 pictures we use look any different. Also, did Sugimori do any ar for the other forms except for ''F''? What about the side game sprites of other multi-formed Pokémon like Castform, Burmy, Wormadam, etc. By which I mean to say, are the Trozei, Pinball Ruby and Sapphire or Mystery Dungeon 2 sprites different for any of those?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== I've never talked on the discussion board before, but... ==

I think that I can help a little bit with the movesets. I have a R/S strategy guide that has all the learnsets of the Hoenn Dex in order, and I went through the list of Gen III movesets that we've got already on here. I went through the 200 Pokémon in the guide and found the few that were missing (from the Hoenn Dex, at least.). Since I have almost zero experience doing this kind of thing, I don't want to mess anything up, so here's a short list (Again, just from the Hoenn Dex.):

Marill
Azumarill
Geodude
Graveler
Golem
Zubat
Golbat
Crobat
Tentacool
Tentacruel
Oddish
Gloom
Vileplume
Bellossom
Ninetales
Pichu
Raichu
Golduck
Rhyhorn
Rhydon

All of these Pokémon are, as I said, missing Gen III movesets. I don't know if you've covered this or not, but there you are. Sorry if I'm wasting any time. [[User:Spatula|Spatula]] 03:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== Another sprite suggestion, ==

For ease of use, we have the numbered images with nothing else on them represent the current generation, which is a good idea. Therefore I suggest (and I will do all the work) that we have a 'current generation' template as we do for the others. What do you guys think? Whenever we get a new generation, we can simply use the reupload feature, and slightly edit the template and it will sweep across all the images. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 18:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== A Question I feel is important about Learnsets ==

I see that, for whatever reason, you have omitted previous generations learnsets. Naturally, this is understandable for Gen I and II, and the most recent Gen IV is relevent to most users. However, under move tutors, you have kept the tutors for FR, LG, Emerald and XD alongside DP and Platinum.

I don't think this is wrong, as I believe this is relevent - since the moves are available in the fourth generation, the third gen stuff should stay. However, for things like level up moves, and (maybe) breeding and TM/HM perhaps the information should be included? Or perhaps only the information that has changed, after all a lot of level up information stays the same from generation to generation...

Probably something discussed in the two archives already catalogued that I haven't looked though, but just something that perhaps could be clarified before it is complete, and then everyone realises that they want it a different way. {{unsigned|Aburnett}}
:Um. There's links to the old generation stuff. They're on subpages. Read the learnset headings. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::Can those links be bolded? The Gen1 link is only a few pixels wide. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Headers ==

Can someone please fix the headers? Like make the headers that have one equal sign at the beginning and end have two, and so on. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 01:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I did it myself. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== An idea ==

How about, on the pages of Pokémon, instead of having "origin" and "name origin" as sub-headers of "trivia", how about we do it like this?

<pre>
==Trivia==
(Insert trivia here)
==Origin==
(Insert origin here)
===Name origin===
(Insert name origin here)
</pre>

Currently, we do it like this:

<pre>
==Trivia==
(Insert trivia here)
===Origin===
(Insert origin here)
====Name origin====
(Insert name origin here)
</pre>

I think my version is better, and here's why: The origin usually will have nothing to do with the trivia, and even if it does, the trivial part of the a Pokémon's origin can simply be put in the trivia section. Discuss. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:The origin is trivia. It doesn't affect gameplay. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 09:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::How is it trivia? [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 19:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::''Trivia'' usually means information which can be quite accurate but has few real uses and is relatively unimportant. In this case the design and name origins are just for the sake of the information itself, you probably don't need that for anything else. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 19:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::::But a lot of people will want to know the origin and name origin. So they are important. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 19:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::"People would want to know" and "affects the key aspects of the medium" (anime:canon, game:gameplay) are completely different things. Besides, the first is a highly subjective criterium which is probably a good argument for inclusion on the page, while the second is a relatively solid criterium for where that info would be placed.
:::::For example, it's interesting to know that Ghost attacks, despite the Sabrina episodes, were not supereffective against Psychics in generation 1, and a lot of people who played the games ''and'' watched the anime would be curious about whether or not the game followed the anime in that respect, but it simply doesn't matter to the main aspect of the anime, which is the plot. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 23:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::A lot of people will want to know other various items under Trivia as well, but they don't deserve to be noted under their own high-level headings either. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 22:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

== GenI/II menusprites ==

If I remember correctly, the menusprites in the first and second generations sort of divided all the Pokémon into categories kind of like the way the "Body Shape" thing works in the fourth generation Pokédex. Since you guys have already sorted them that way, maybe (if any of you guys ever have spare time and are bored or whatever) you guys could maybe classify the GenI andII Pokémon that way.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:If you can do it accurately, then collect the information. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 23:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::I could try to get them for the ones I caught in Red/Blue but I can't get the sprites. How would we classify them anyways? They're like body styles but for older generations.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 15:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== "In the TCG" and "TCG-only moves" ==

I have an idea. "TCG-only moves" is currently a sub-section of "Learnset", which is a sub-section of "Game data". However, the TCG isn't one of the technology-based games. Based on that, I think the section "TCG-only moves" should instead be a sub-section of the section "In the TCG". Who agrees with me? [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 00:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC) 
Bump. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 01:14 12/11/2008
:Well, since we have said to wait on the list of TCG moves, this shouldn't be an issue, because no page should currently have them yet. But, there is this thing called the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|Pokémon Trading card '''''game''''']] that these moves appear in. They should go with the other lists of moves because it fits better with that info. HOWEVER, no one should be doing anything with this mini-project until the jname mini-project is done, so this doesn't matter yet. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::The pages have had TCG-only moves for ages. You can't retroactively decide an article can't have valid content until you're ready with an unrelated page.
::And no, TCG and the video games are different things under the usual definition. Movesets should stay together, though, so both this and the anime-only moves should stay where they are. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

== Anime Pokédex Entries ==

Would anyone here object if I placed Pokédex entries from the anime onto the Pokémon pages themselves. Someone claimed there was already a page for that but I am unable to find it. Therefore, would it be ok for me to do the entries? {{u|WatcherMark}}
:We already have a page of them, but it is incomplete. We are waiting for when we get all the entries in order to put them on the pages. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::Can someone please send me the link for this page. I would like to contribute to it where I can. Thanks [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 10:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I am getting tired of people removing those entries. They benefit the article so leave them alone. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
::::[[User:Theryguy512/Anime Dex Project|Here]] ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 18:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== Uploading Sprites ==

I've begun uploading some of the missing sprites (kecleon shiny gen. III front & back, eevee gen. III shiny back, so far), and I've put in the filenames listed on the pages, but they don't actually appear on the pages. If you click the link it goes to the picture.. Could someone help me out with this? --[[User:Snowrunt|Snowrunt]]
:It's just the server being slow. All you can do is wait and the page will update by itself. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, that's it. I'm sorry about that! Thanks. ^^ --[[User:Snowrunt|Snowrunt]]

== Battle Frontier Movesets ==

Don't know if this is the right place to bring this up, but I couldn't think of a better place. Basically, I've noticed that in the Battle Frontier each Pokemon species (other than wilds and those owned by Brains) seems to have a specific moveset.
For example, every Clamperl has Toxic, Dive, Iron Defense and Double Team. I was just wondering if it'd be worth attempting to note down each Pokemon's Battle Frontier movesets on their individual pages, it might be a useful piece of information. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 12:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:They are the only moves that [[Clamperl (Pokémon)#By leveling up|Clamperl]] can learn from leveling up and even then, they start with those particular moves. Also that is something that would be added to the battle frontier pages if it were the case that it was specific to the battle frontier, which it is not. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 00:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:: Clamperl cannot learn Toxic, Dive or Double Team by levelling up. Every trained Pokemon of any given species other than those of Brains definitely has the same moves always, I'm playing through the Battle Frontier at the moment, so with time I could give more examples. I just thought it might be better suited on each Pokemon's page as a list of over 400 Pokemon and their movesets on the Battle Frontier page (as it just has one page) might be a bit excessive. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry I didn't read thought you post clearly. Also, which battle frontier are you talking about? —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 19:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::: Hoenn one, I don't know anything about the Sinnoh one. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 19:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::You might be on to something but it seems like a waste of time to me. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 19:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
So does that mean I should start on this or do I need permission from some kind of admin? [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 20:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Here's my rule off thumb. Do it, if an admin undoes it don't do it again —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 01:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
The problem is, this is something I have noticed personally and it's kind of a big change to do this to every page, so I'd like the action to be confirmed by an admin BEFORE I go crazy editing 350 (or so) pages =P [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== See Also ==

How about adding a 'See Aslo' tittle to the bottom of every Pokémon's page and in that tittle you can put the evolutions of that Pokémon, it obviously doesn't need to be added to a Pokémon's page if the Pokémon only has one evolution. So what does everyone think?--'''[[User:MysteryHeff?|MysteryHeff?]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff?|TALK]] 07:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:But each Pokémon's evolutions are already shown in the Evolution subsection on each page. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 08:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok, sorry I didn't realize.--'''[[User:MysteryHeff?|MysteryHeff?]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff?|TALK]] 08:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Can I join? ==

Hey, can I join the project? I figure that I edit quite a few Pokémon pages... and It would be better If I'd join. The page says to ask (or something like that) on the talk page... so here... Can I join?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|THE "X" MEANS "PEACE" TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS...]] 19:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:Does this {{tt|"silence"|Can't you just hear that echo?}} mean I can join?--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 04:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::We should change that. Anyone is allowed to join, as long as you follow the requirements set by the Project Leader (if any are on the page) and sign your name on the list. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 04:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Ehh, it says "To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list", so that means you're free to join, you don't need permission anymore. Maybe you read "If you would like to help, please inquire on the talk page or the Bulbapedia forum and see the Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex/To-do list." lol. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 04:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::::With that out of the way, hello, {{tt|new project|My 3rd project... wow!}}!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 20:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Background... ==

Is it ok if all the Pokémon pages have backgrounds? For instance, for Chinchou, we can use this:
<nowiki>
{| width="100%" style="background: #{{electric color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{electric color}}; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 1em;"
|-
| text align="left" style="background: #{{water color light}};" | __NOTOC__</nowiki> 
Credit goes to MAGNEDETH. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== Can i join? ==

Can i join the Project Pokédex?[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 01:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I know...I just follow the instructions[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 05:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::I added my name to the list, but I had a problem. I can't edit the pages! How does that happen? I have just joined, but I've confirmed my email... what else do I have to do? [[User:JetanHertz13|JetanHertz13]] 00:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:::All Pokemon pages are currently on lockdown. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Formes ==

Over the past while, I've been doing quite a bit of work about Pokémon's different Formes/forms. I was wondering if this project would like me to coordinate part of project Pokédex to organize the inclusion of alternate forms on the wiki? Or would it be better that I make a subproject (as in Project FormeDex)? Or, perhaps, I should just keep control of it on my own?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure how much organization it needs... A separate project or subproject, in my view at least, isn't required. A section of this Project may be justified. How much more work needs to be done regarding alternate formes? Can you list your ideas here and we'll run through them. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Currently, I've somewhat made sure that all the work has been done. However, I was proposing this in order to organize policies for {{tt|future forms|which, at the rate GameFreak's going, there will be a lot of soon}}. {{tt|I|or we}} could hammer out said policies somewhere and, like you said, include it in a section here.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, and you've done a good job so far. I don't think much more needs to be done, other than making sure that Castform is sorted out. In the event that HGSS introduces new forms (which it better not, other than Shellos/Gastrodon if they can be caught there), we can deal with that when it comes. I think this issue is best dealt with informally. Without wanting to sound elitist, we don't need every new user trying to help out with this because a decent amount of coding knowledge is required. If you really want to write it down{{tt|,|which may be useful in the event that TTE, you, and I all die in some freak accident the day before Gen V comes out}} put it in a sub. "User:MisterE13/Guidelines for alternate formes" or something like that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== HI! ==

Hi, can I join this project? I though it would be a bit inpolite just to add my name to the article and put the Project Pokédex tag on my user page without asking first. I know lots about the different Pokémon species and could help to improve the articles a lot. So, what do you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 12:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:Anyone can join the project. It's not impolite, it's greatly appreciated when one insert their name, specially when they do well. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, all right then. Thanks! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 21:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::No one has to ask to join this project, or any project. Just sign up! — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Global PokedeX Plus ==

I think we should have a section in the articles about Global PokedeX Plus (gpxplus.net) that tell like, what their eggs look like, how much interactions they need to hatch/level up...stuff like that. [[User:Puppo530|Puppo530]] 01:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:It appears to be a fansite.... From your description (different eggs) it seems to be fanon, but it won't let me register so I can't verify this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

::it is indeed fanon, they do even include "fakemon" and recolours (easter Buneary)
::while they frown upon "eggdex'" I would not be adverse to help acquire egg images, egg descriptions, and interaction/level up stats.
::Interestingly, their game mechanics allow for male species+female species breeding = male species/female species egg as well as female/male+ungendered=egg of either, so you can breed a Castform of either gender with Rotom and get both Castform and Rotom eggs. {{SUBST::User:ZaphodBeeblebrox/sig}} 15:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Trainer pokémon ==

Shouldn't there be a section that says if any trainers own the pokémon, and if so, who and where they are? It would make filling the Sinnoh 'dex much easier. --[[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 10:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:There's a table [[Hiker|some trainer classes]], look there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, but I think a list of trainers should be on the Pokémon's page --[[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 14:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:::That'd get a bit ridiculous...for instance, look at {{p|Mew}}'s page. Big page, and though there are no trainers that have Mew in their [[party]], {{p|Pikachu}} is another primary example. Look at that page. Adding more would make life more or less the same, if not more confusing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Channel + ==

On the Eggzmination channel in Pokémon Channel, there are facts that go across the top of the screen. There are facts about *presumably* every Pokémon. This would take a while to chronicle, but what if we could put those facts into the side-game data table under Pokémon Channel? If not, I suppose it would work just put them under a respective category..
But I think it would be good to add a Pokémon Channel section to the side game data. In case you haven't played, there are Pokémon wandering about, and you can get trading cards from them, but only if you answer a trivia fact about the Pokémon being questioned. We could put the question and answer in the side game data, as well as the Pokémon description on the trading card (I can't exactly recall if there is one though)? Just wanted to mention this.

Also, I checked out the structure for this project. For the "In the manga" section, the structure says to put Pokémon Special first, then Electric Tale of Pikachu, them Pipipi and Chamo Pretty then others, but very few articles are actually organized like this, including the model articles. Should they be changed to go in that order? And should each manga get it's own subtitle, like Pokémon Special does?

Last thing I promise! In the "In the anime" section for some articles, the subtitles are Major appearances and Minor appearances. Are they all going to be put in this format eventually?
Sorry for writing so much.. I'm full of questions. --[[User:Snowrunt|'''ℓaℓa''']] [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ℓe]] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''snoωrunt''']] 00:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

:It's been a while, so I'm gonna bump this.. --[[User:Snowrunt|'''ℓaℓa''']] [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ℓe]] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''snoωrunt''']] 17:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon pictures ==

This is just a suggestion... do you think it would be better not to use the Emerald and Platinum artwork on the Hoenn and Sinnoh starters' pages? I've noticed that on the official online Pokédexes, as well as recent official books, their RS and DP artwork is still used, and appears to be their "standard" artwork. I know they are the more recent, but Ken Sugimori's Emerald and Platinum illustrations are simply promotional art for those games, and are not considered "standard" by Nintendo. What I'm trying to say is, if Bulbapedia were an official Pokémon site overseen by Nintendo, the Emerald and Platinum artwork wouldn't be used in the main articles, they would use the RS and DP art instead. Does anyone agree with me? Sorry if I made this sound confusing, I didn't really know how else to put it! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 15:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Am I the only one to notice this? ==

In Platinum, '''MANY''' Pokemon received new backsprites. How come they haven't been added yet? Examples are Gengar, Gligar, Suicune, Entei, Raikou, Mantyke, Porygon2, the list goes on... --Chaos Rush 00:41:30 (UTC)
:Most of the new backsprites have been uploaded to the archives, but the sprite table doesn't currently support multiple backsprites. I can't find it just at the moment, but I remember seeing this discussed somewhere recently. I believe that conversation concluded that a new sprite template should be developed, but it isn't the kind of thing that will happen overnight. There are other templates which need updating as well. There is also a similar problem with the R/S/E and FR/LG sprites. Any Pokémon which have received an updated front sprite between games of the same generation will probably have a new back sprite as well. Just look for them on the archives for the moment. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::We could potentially use a system such as the one I implemented [[Player character|here]] (with backsprites underneath). If we do decide to do it, putting them into the template shouldn't be too hard (though changing all the names could be).--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::: Well, IMO, you guys should do whatever works out best, as long as it shows all the sprites. If I recall correctly, some Pokemon in even Crystal version got new backsprites as well. Also I'd like to mention that the front sprites on the Natu, Xatu, and Mareep pages for Platinum are incorrect. Again, nobody seems to have noticed this, but Natu, Xatu, and Mareep had a different color palette in Platinum, but their pages simply show their D/P colors, which are false. --Chaos Rush 04:30:02 (UTC)
::::While I can't comment about Crystal, the reason the DP sprites are shown is because of the automated table setup. If the Pt sprite has not been uploaded, the DP sprite will show. If we haven't got it, of course we can't show it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Hope this is okay...? ==

Uh, hi! I'm new and I just went ahead and added myself to the project, I'm assuming that's all right.

So I'm going through and putting English translations of the HGSS Pokedex entries, for the Pokemon that I either have in the dex on my own HG game, or the Pokemon that have Japanese entries on their pages. I hope that's okay. It seems that the gen1 Pokemon have the same entries as in Gold (for HG) and the gen2 Pokemon have the entries from LG in HG, and FR in SS. I'm only putting the ones that I've actually seen the Japanese entries for though, because I can't be 100% sure about the others.

If that's totally not okay, feel free to just go ahead and revert my edits. :) --19:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[[User:Umeko|Umeko]]
:Thank you. We did this for Platinum, so I see no problem with it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
::So for the past few weeks I've just been submitting the HeartGold dex entries as I obtained them on my own HG game (and was thus able to 100% confirm that they were the same as the Gold entries). A Japanese friend playing SoulSilver just tweeted that the SS entries are are all the same as Silver... Should we go through and add those too? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Aaaaaand according to this friend, the HGSS dex entries for the third and fourth gen Pokemon are new... once I get those entries, would you like me to translate them (temporary, until the NA version is released)? I'd totally be willing to. I won't if that's against policy though. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::::As long as they are replaced when the game is released in English-speaking territories, having translations of the Japanese entries is very helpful. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Awesome, that'll be fun! I'll start on that with the few HGSS entries from the Japanese wiki... But is there some sort of template I should use to distinguish the entries as unofficially-translated and slated to be replaced next spring? I'm still getting used to wiki, so... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::I went through the Japanese wiki and have translated the HGSS entries that were available for the 3rd and 4th-gen Pokemon - {{p|Seedot}}, {{p|Shroomish}}, {{p|Latios}}, {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Chimchar}}, {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Starly}}, {{p|Staravia}}, {{p|Staraptor}}, {{p|Giratina}}, and {{p|Arceus}}. I'll work on editing them into the appropriate pages now, using the <nowiki>{{tt}}</nowiki> template because I'm... not sure how they should be put in there. This seemed like the best option to me, but if something else is preferred, feel free to change them (there aren't that many yet, after all, only like ten).

:::::Also the Japanese wiki had on some of the pages that the given entry was only for one version of the games, and on some of the pages that the entry was for both HG and SS. This will be reflected in the edits I make, because I have no idea and have to just take the Japanese wiki's word for it. ¯\(º_o)/¯

:::::So... yes. Tell me what you think/if I've screwed up majorly and fail at life! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:14, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon breeding

2009-10-28T15:12:41Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox: /* What will hatch */ filled out the "incense" list. may need some formatting smoothness-help

'''Pokémon breeding''' is a method of making a new [[Pokémon]] by producing and hatching an {{pkmn|egg}}. In the {{pkmn|anime}}, it also refers to Pokémon grooming and caretaking.

==In the games==
===How to breed===
Pokémon can be bred by leaving two compatible Pokémon at the [[Pokémon Daycare]] in [[Generation II]] and beyond, located on {{rt|34}} in [[Johto]], {{rt|117}} in [[Hoenn]], {{OBP|Four Island|town}} in the [[Sevii Islands]], and [[Solaceon Town]] in [[Sinnoh]]. Two Pokémon are compatible if they are of the same species, or share at least one [[Egg Group]], and are of opposite genders (see below); alternatively, breeding is usually still possible as long as one of them is {{p|Ditto}}. [[Legendary Pokémon]] (excluding {{p|Phione}} and {{p|Manaphy}}), [[baby Pokémon]], {{p|Unown}}, {{p|Nidorina}} and {{p|Nidoqueen}} cannot breed whatsoever. Pokémon with gender unknown (besides the aforementioned legendaries) can only breed with Ditto.


=====Breeding Rate<ref>http://www.legendarypokemon.net/breeding</ref>=====
* '''Same species, different ID numbers'''
The chance of getting an egg is 69,3% (has a value of 70).
The old man in the Daycare will say: "The two seem to get along very well."
* '''Same species, same ID numbers'''
The chance of getting an egg is 49,5% (has a value of 50).
The old man in the Daycare will say: "The two seem to get along."
* '''Different species, different ID numbers'''
The chance of getting an egg is 49,5% (has a value of 50).
The old man in the Daycare will say: "The two seem to get along."
* '''Different species, same ID numbers'''
The chance of getting an egg is 19,8% (has a value of 20).
The old man in the Daycare will say: "The two don't seem to like each other."
* '''Different egg groups or No egg group'''
The Pokémon are uncompatible and therefore will not make an egg.
The old man in the Daycare will say: "The two prefer to play with other Pokémon than each other."

====Receiving the egg====
When there are two compatible Pokémon in the Daycare, for every 256 steps that the player takes, the game will decide whether or not the old man has found an egg, with chances depending on the exact compatibility of the two Pokémon. If there was an egg produced, the old man will be outside ([[Generation II]]), out of line with the fence ([[Generation III]]), or facing the road ([[Generation IV]]). The man will hand the player an {{pkmn|egg}} if he or she replies to his question with "Yes" and has an empty slot in the party, and permanently keep the egg if the player responds "No". If the player selects "Yes" but does not have a spare slot, the man will keep it until the player returns and offer it again. Otherwise, there is no way to refuse the egg and receive it later.

====What will hatch====
After walking around for a while, the egg will hatch into a [[level]] 5 ([[Generation II]] and {{Gen|III}}) or level 1 ([[Generation IV]]) Pokémon of the bottom of the female's evolutionary chain (or the non-Ditto parent).

Examples:

{| align="center" style="background: #{{cute color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{cute color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" colspan="2" | Parents
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tower color light}}" colspan="3" | {{color|{{tower color dark}}|Ditto breeding}}
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color}}"
| [[Image:474.png]]
| [[Image:132.png]]
| [[Image:137.png]]
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color light}}"
| {{pcolor|Porygon-Z|{{hall color dark}}}}
| {{pcolor|Ditto|{{hall color dark}}}}
| {{pcolor|Porygon|{{hall color dark}}}}
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tower color light}}" colspan="3" | {{color|{{tower color dark}}|Same species breeding}}
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color}}"
| [[Image:471.png]]
| [[Image:471.png]]
| [[Image:133.png]]
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color light}}"
| {{pcolor|Glaceon|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|0070f8|♂}}
| {{pcolor|Glaceon|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|e82010|♀}}
| {{pcolor|Eevee|{{hall color dark}}}}
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tower color light}}" colspan="3" | {{color|{{tower color dark}}|Same {{color2|{{tower color dark}}|evolution}} family breeding}}
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color}}"
| [[Image:466.png]]
| [[Image:125.png]]
| [[Image:239.png]]
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color light}}"
| {{pcolor|Electivire|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|0070f8|♂}}
| {{pcolor|Electabuzz|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|e82010|♀}}
| {{pcolor|Elekid|{{hall color dark}}}}
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tower color light}}" colspan="3" | {{color|{{tower color dark}}|Same {{color2|{{tower color dark}}|Egg group}} breeding}}
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color}}"
| [[Image:398.png]]
| [[Image:468.png]]
| [[Image:175.png]]
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color light}}"
| {{pcolor|Staraptor|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|0070f8|♂}}
| {{pcolor|Togekiss|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|e82010|♀}}
| {{pcolor|Togepi|{{hall color dark}}}}
|-align=center
! style="background:#{{tower color light}}" colspan="3" | {{color|{{tower color dark}}|''No eggs'' egg group breeding}}
|-align=center style="background:#{{hall color}}"
| [[Image:485.png]]
| [[Image:485.png]]
| '''<sc>None</sc>'''
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{hall color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" | {{pcolor|Heatran|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|0070f8|♂}}
| style="background:#{{hall color light}}" | {{pcolor|Heatran|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|e82010|♀}}
| style="background:#{{hall color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | '''<sc>None</sc>'''
|}

However, there are two pairs of Pokémon species where the male and female are treated as different Pokémon. In these cases, an egg produced by the female species may hatch into either the male or female variant; however, breeding the male species with Ditto will ''not'' produce the female counterpart. The pairs are the following:

*{{p|Nidoran♀}} and {{p|Nidoran♂}}
*{{p|Illumise}} and {{p|Volbeat}}

There are also some Pokémon which will produce variable eggs. The Pokémon that is in these eggs will depend on whether or not the parents [[held item|held]] a certain type of [[incense]] while breeding.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{cute color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{cute color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" colspan="2" | Parents
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{hall color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:315.png]] {{pcolor|Roselia|{{hall color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{hall color}}" rowspan="2" | [[Image:407.png]] {{pcolor|Roserade|{{hall color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{hall color}}" | [[File:Bag Rose Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{hall color dark}}|Incense#Rose Incense|Rose Incense}}
| style="background:#{{hall color}}" | [[Image:406.png]] {{pcolor|Budew|{{hall color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{hall color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{hall color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:315.png]] {{pcolor|Roselia|{{hall color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{beauty color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{beauty color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{beauty color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" colspan="2" | Parents
! style="background:#{{beauty color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{beauty color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{factory color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:183.png]] {{pcolor|Marill|{{factory color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{factory color}}" rowspan="2" | [[Image:184.png]] {{pcolor|Azumarill|{{factory color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{factory color}}" | [[File:Bag Sea Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{factory color dark}}|Incense#Sea Incense|Sea Incense}}
| style="background:#{{factory color}}" | [[Image:298.png]] {{pcolor|Azurill|{{factory color dark}}}}
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| style="background:#{{factory color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{factory color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:183.png]] {{pcolor|Marill|{{factory color dark}}}}
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! style="background:#{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" colspan="2" | Parents
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:113.png]] {{pcolor|Chansey|{{arcade color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" rowspan="2" | [[Image:242.png]] {{pcolor|Blissey|{{arcade color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | [[File:Bag Luck Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{arcade color dark}}|Incense#Luck Incense|Luck Incense}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | [[Image:440.png]] {{pcolor|Happiny|{{arcade color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:113.png]] {{pcolor|Chansey|{{arcade color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{tough color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{tough color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:202.png]] {{pcolor|Wobbuffet|{{arcade color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | [[File:Bag Lax Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{arcade color dark}}|Incense#Lax Incense|Lax Incense}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | [[Image:360.png]] {{pcolor|Wynaut|{{arcade color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:202.png]] {{pcolor|Wobbuffet|{{arcade color dark}}}}
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! style="background:#{{steel color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{steel color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{steel color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{silver color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:358.png]] {{pcolor|Chimecho|{{silver color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{silver color}}" | [[File:Bag Pure Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{silver color dark}}|Incense#Pure Incense|Pure Incense}}
| style="background:#{{silver color}}" | [[Image:433.png]] {{pcolor|Chingling|{{silver color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{silver color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{silver color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:358.png]] {{pcolor|Chimecho|{{silver color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{rock color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{rock color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{rock color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{rock color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{rock color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{normal color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:185.png]] {{pcolor|Sudowoodo|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color}}" | [[File:Bag Rock Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{normal color dark}}|Incense#Rock Incense|Rock Incense}}
| style="background:#{{normal color}}" | [[Image:438.png]] {{pcolor|Bonsly|{{normal color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{normal color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{normal color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:185.png]] {{pcolor|Sudowoodo|{{normal color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{evasion color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{evasion color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{evasion color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{evasion color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{evasion color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:122.png]] {{pcolor|Mr. Mime|{{poison color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Bag Odd Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{poison color dark}}|Incense#Odd Incense|Odd Incense}}
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[Image:439.png]] {{pcolor|Mime Jr.|{{poison color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:122.png]] {{pcolor|Mr. Mime|{{poison color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{evasion color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{crystal color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{crystal color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{crystal color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{crystal color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{crystal color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:226.png]] {{pcolor|Mantine|{{crystal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{crystal color}}" | [[File:Bag Wave Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{diamond color dark}}|Incense#Wave Incense|Wave Incense}}
| style="background:#{{crystal color}}" | [[Image:458.png]] {{pcolor|Mantyke|{{crystal color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{crystal color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{crystal color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:226.png]] {{pcolor|Mantine|{{crystal color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{cool color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{cool color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{cool color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{cool color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{cool color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{tower color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:143.png]] {{pcolor|Snorlax|{{tower color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{tower color}}" | [[File:Bag Full Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{tower color dark}}|Incense#Full Incense|Full Incense}}
| style="background:#{{tower color}}" | [[Image:446.png]] {{pcolor|Munchlax|{{tower color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{tower color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{tower color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:143.png]] {{pcolor|Snorlax|{{tower color dark}}}}
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{{p|Wobbuffet}} and {{p|Azumarill}}/{{p|Marill}} were introduced in [[Generation III]].
{{p|Chimecho}}, {{p|Sudowoodo}}, {{p|Mr. Mime}}, {{p|Chansey}}/{{p|Blissey}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, and {{p|Mantine}} were introduced in [[Generation IV]]. Each evolution-chain requires a specific attached incense to breed the baby form.

===Hatching eggs===
The time it takes for eggs to hatch depends on the species. {{p|Magikarp}} is the fastest hatching Pokémon. Some baby fairies, such as {{p|Cleffa}}, {{p|Pichu}} and {{p|Igglybuff}} hatch quickly as well. Besides these, most Pokémon take considerable time to hatch. Rare and powerful Pokémon, like {{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Bagon}}, {{p|Beldum}}, {{p|Larvitar}}, {{p|Gible}}, {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, {{p|Spiritomb}}, {{p|Chansey}} and {{p|Eevee}}, among others, take a long time to hatch.

"Time" is actually determined in steps. For example, a {{p|Gligar}} egg takes 6364 steps to hatch. Therefore, riding a [[bike]] would reduce the egg's actual hatching time by traveling quickly. {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} allow players to use the Mach Bike, which is twice as fast as the Acro Bike. {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} give players a harder time hatching their eggs, however, for there is no "Mach Bike" available. Additionally, in Pokémon Emerald, if any Pokémon with {{a|Flame Body}} or {{a|Magma Armor}} is in the [[party]], it reduces the hatching time by half: A Gligar egg would take only 3282 steps if a {{p|Slugma}} is in the party. This feature became standard in [[Generation IV]].

===Passing moves down===
The [[moves]] obtained by a Pokémon when hatching are as follows:
*The Pokémon will start with any moves that it would learn as a "Start" move in its learnset (In [[Generation II]] and [[Generation III]], they learned all moves that are level 5 and below in their learnset.).
*The Pokémon will start with any moves that it would learn by leveling up only if both parents know the move.
*The Pokémon will start with any [[TM]] or [[HM]] moves (and starting in {{v2|Crystal}}, [[move tutor]] moves) that the father knows and the baby can also learn by machine.
*The Pokémon will start with any [[Egg moves]] that the baby can learn and the father knows.
The moves will take precedence in the order listed, and if there are more than four moves to learn, the moves will start being overwritten much like when leveling up at the Pokémon Daycare.

In {{game|Emerald}} (and subsequently [[Generation IV]]), there is a specific method to produce a {{p|Pichu}} that knows the move {{m|Volt Tackle}}: When breeding a {{p|Pikachu}} or {{p|Raichu}} holding a {{DL|Stat-enhancing item|Light Ball}}, the offspring Pichu will know the move Volt Tackle. It should be noted that the parent need not know the move itself, and is not required to be of any specific gender; however, a male Pikachu or Raichu has to breed either with a female counterpart or with Ditto so that the offspring is, in fact, a Pichu.

===Inheriting stats===
A Pokémon's [[Individual values|Individual Values]] are also passed down. This is determined differently between [[Generation II]] and [[Generation III]] games.

====Generation II====
In Generation II games, the baby inherits its stats from the parent of the opposite gender, unless one parent is Ditto, and in that case it inherits the stats from Ditto. The Defense IV (Individual Value) is passed, and also either the Special IV or the Special IV plus or minus 8 (plus for values in the 0-7 range; minus for values in the 8-15 range); the Special IV has a 50% chance of remaining the same. Attack and Speed IVs are determined entirely at random, whereas HP is determined by the IVs of the other four stats, using the same formula for wild Pokémon. The probability of a Pokémon inheriting ''all'' of its opposite-gender parent's IVs is therefore 1/512.

When determining if two Pokémon are compatible, their egg group is only one criterion. For Pokémon of the same egg group, if the Defense IVs are the same, and either the Special IVs are the same or 8 off, they are incompatible. This is due to the high likelihood of a family relation, hence the inability to breed.

Due to the method used for calculating whether a Pokémon is {{shiny2}} or not, an egg hatched from an alternate colored Pokémon in Generation II has a 1/64 chance of being alternately colored itself. This does not apply with later games, however.

====Generation III====
In {{game3|Ruby and Sapphire|Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire|s}}, {{v2|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, exactly three of the baby's IVs are inherited from either parent (which is to say that one parent can contribute a number of IVs that ranges from 0 to 3, and its mate will contribute the remaining number of IVs from other stats). The other three are determined at random, in such a way that it is ''possible'' that more of the offspring's IVs will coincide with those of its parents.

In {{game|Emerald}}, the process is similar but more complicated. First, a random IV is passed from one of the parents to the baby. Afterwards, a random IV of any stat other than HP, is inherited from either parent to the baby. If this IV is from the same stat as the first IV (not necessarily the same IV value, depending on whether or not the same parent passed it on), it will override it. Finally, another random IV of any stat other than HP and Defense, is passed from one of the parents to the baby. This IV will override any of the previous two if it is from the same stat. The remaining stats (a number ranging from 3 to 5) are determined at random, again with the possibility of one or more IVs coinciding with those of the parents.

Another change introduced in Emerald is the ability to inherit [[Natures|Nature]], which also influences stats. If the mother (or Ditto) is holding an {{evostone|Everstone}}, the baby has a 50% chance of inheriting that Pokémon's Nature. When breeding a female Pokémon with Ditto, it is Ditto whose Nature has the increased 50% chance of being inherited in case it holds Everstone.

====Generation IV====
Inheriting IVs and Nature in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} is determined in the same way as in {{game|Emerald}}. The only minor exception is in the case of inheriting Nature, which is not influenced by Everstone when breeding two Pokémon that do not originate from games of the same language. However, there is an increased chance of hatching a [[shiny Pokémon]] when both parents are from different games. This is due to [[Masuda method|special coding written into the game]] by director [[Junichi Masuda]].

In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} a new mechanic was added to breeding, in which the [[EV-enhancing item|EV Items]] can pass on the corresponding [[IV]] of the parent Pokémon to the baby. For example, if a parent is holding the Power Anklet, the [[Speed]] IV would be passed on.

==In the anime==
In the {{pkmn|anime}}, Pokémon breeding refers to an entire line of work practiced by [[Pokémon Breeder]]s, such as [[Brock]]. So far, the anime has shown and discussed little about the literal breeding of Pokémon to produce eggs, but it is assumed this is part of a Pokémon Breeder's work. It has been shown that {{pkmn|professor}}s get their [[starter Pokémon]] from breeders who specifically raise and breed them, like [[Old Man Swampy]] from ''[[AG025|A Mudkip Mission]]''. There are also a few farm-like facilities that produce [[Pokémon egg]]s of various species. {{Ash}} received his [[Ash's Phanpy|egg]] from such a location, as did {{an|May}} and her [[May's Eevee|egg]].

Pokémon breeding in the anime focuses heavily on raising healthy Pokémon and keeping them in top condition by grooming them well and feeding them nutritious {{pkmn|food}}.

==Trivia==
*Some aspects and contradictions of breeding in the games have spawned debate and confusion. Pokémon which breed differently depending on whether or not they hold an [[incense]] item, are particularly debated. Most fans perceive the necessity of the Incense items as a mere excuse for the fact that the [[baby Pokémon]] could not be previously obtained. Perhaps also surprisingly, these baby Pokémon have different egg move lists than those of their evolved forms.
*Some unusual pairings of Pokémon can be found within the egg groups, such as {{p|Seviper}} and {{p|Zangoose}} (which are even said to be mortal enemies), and the most famous pairing: [[HSOWA|Skitty and Wailord]]. This has led fans to view Pokémon breeding as being quite different from real-life mating. Indeed, the characters in the game make special mention of the fact that no one has seen Pokémon breed.
*One particularly unusual oddity is that {{p|Nidorina}} and {{p|Nidoqueen}} cannot breed, despite the fact that their {{p|Nidoran♀|pre-evolution}} and male counterparts can.
*Although there is no known way for [[legendary Pokémon]] to be bred, there is evidence that it can occur somehow, since {{pkmn|egg}}s with {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}} and {{p|Moltres}} can be hatched in [[Pokémon Snap]] and a baby {{p|Lugia}} has been seen in the {{pkmn|anime}}. Likewise, {{p|Manaphy}} can be hatched from a special egg from {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. Furthermore, Manaphy is the only legendary Pokémon who can breed with a {{p|Ditto}}. However, the offspring will always be {{p|Phione}}, who doesn't evolve into Manaphy.
*When a Pokémon hatches from an egg during both [[Generation II]] and [[Generation III]], it is at [[level]] 5; however, Pokémon can be found in the [[route]]s around the {{player}}'s hometown that are leveled lower than this, down to level 2. This oddity has been addressed in [[Generation IV]], where all hatched Pokémon started at level 1.
*No negative effects occur from inbreeding Pokémon in [[Generation III]] and [[Generation IV]], despite this being impossible in [[Generation II]] due to data storage methods regarding the [[personality value]].

== References ==
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==External links==
* [http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/breeding_guide_part1 Smogon's detailed guide on breeding and egg-hatching]

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There are also some Pokémon which will produce variable eggs. The Pokémon that is in these eggs will depend on whether or not the parents [[held item|held]] a certain type of [[incense]] while breeding.

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! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" colspan="2" | Parents
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| style="background:#{{hall color}}" rowspan="2" | [[Image:407.png]] {{pcolor|Roserade|{{hall color dark}}}}
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| style="background:#{{hall color}}" | [[Image:406.png]] {{pcolor|Budew|{{hall color dark}}}}
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| style="background:#{{hall color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{hall color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:315.png]] {{pcolor|Roselia|{{hall color dark}}}}
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|- align=center
! style="background:#{{beauty color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" colspan="2" | Parents
! style="background:#{{beauty color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{beauty color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
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| style="background:#{{factory color}}" rowspan="2" | [[Image:184.png]] {{pcolor|Azumarill|{{factory color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{factory color}}" | [[File:Bag Sea Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{factory color dark}}|Incense#Sea Incense|Sea Incense}}
| style="background:#{{factory color}}" | [[Image:298.png]] {{pcolor|Azurill|{{factory color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{factory color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{factory color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:183.png]] {{pcolor|Marill|{{factory color dark}}}}
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|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" colspan="2" | Parents
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:113.png]] {{pcolor|Chansey|{{arcade color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" rowspan="2" | [[Image:242.png]] {{pcolor|Blissey|{{arcade color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | [[File:Bag Luck Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{arcade color dark}}|Incense#Luck Incense|Luck Incense}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | [[Image:440.png]] {{pcolor|Happiny|{{arcade color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:113.png]] {{pcolor|Chansey|{{arcade color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{tough color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{tough color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:202.png]] {{pcolor|Wobbuffet|{{arcade color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | [[File:Bag Lax Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{arcade color dark}}|Incense#Lax Incense|Lax Incense}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | [[Image:360.png]] {{pcolor|Wynaut|{{arcade color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:202.png]] {{pcolor|Wobbuffet|{{arcade color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{steel color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{steel color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{steel color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{steel color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{steel color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{silver color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:358.png]] {{pcolor|Chimecho|{{silver color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{silver color}}" | [[File:Bag Pure Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{silver color dark}}|Incense#Pure Incense|Pure Incense}}
| style="background:#{{silver color}}" | [[Image:433.png]] {{pcolor|Chingling|{{silver color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{silver color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{silver color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:358.png]] {{pcolor|Chimecho|{{silver color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{rock color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{rock color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{rock color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{rock color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{rock color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{normal color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:185.png]] {{pcolor|Sudowoodo|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color}}" | [[File:Bag Rock Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{normal color dark}}|Incense#Rock Incense|Rock Incense}}
| style="background:#{{normal color}}" | [[Image:438.png]] {{pcolor|Bonsly|{{normal color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{normal color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{normal color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:185.png]] {{pcolor|Sudowoodo|{{normal color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{evasion color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{evasion color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{evasion color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{evasion color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{evasion color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:122.png]] {{pcolor|Mr. Mime|{{poison color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Bag Odd Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{poison color dark}}|Incense#Odd Incense|Odd Incense}}
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[Image:439.png]] {{pcolor|Mime Jr.|{{poison color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:122.png]] {{pcolor|Mr. Mime|{{poison color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{evasion color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{crystal color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{crystal color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{crystal color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{crystal color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{crystal color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:226.png]] {{pcolor|Mantine|{{crystal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{crystal color}}" | [[File:Bag Wave Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{diamond color dark}}|Incense#Wave Incense|Wave Incense}}
| style="background:#{{crystal color}}" | [[Image:458.png]] {{pcolor|Mantyke|{{crystal color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{crystal color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{crystal color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:226.png]] {{pcolor|Mantine|{{crystal color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{cool color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{cool color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{cool color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{cool color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{cool color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{tower color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:143.png]] {{pcolor|Snorlax|{{tower color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{tower color}}" | [[File:Bag Full Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{tower color dark}}|Incense#Full Incense|Full Incense}}
| style="background:#{{tower color}}" | [[Image:446.png]] {{pcolor|Munchlax|{{tower color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{tower color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{tower color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:143.png]] {{pcolor|Snorlax|{{tower color dark}}}}
|}

{{p|Wobbuffet}} and {{p|Azumarill}}/{{p|Marill}} introduced in [[Generation III]]

{{p|Chimecho}}, {{p|Sudowoodo}}, {{p|Mr. Mime}}, {{p|Chansey}}/{{p|Blissey}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, and {{p|Mantine}} introduced in [[Generation IV]]. Each requires a specific attached incense to breed the baby form.

User:ZaphodBeeblebrox/Sandbox

2009-10-28T14:59:23Z

ZaphodBeeblebrox:

There are also some Pokémon which will produce variable eggs. The Pokémon that is in these eggs will depend on whether or not the parents [[held item|held]] a certain type of [[incense]] while breeding.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{cute color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{cute color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" colspan="2" | Parents
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{hall color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:315.png]] {{pcolor|Roselia|{{hall color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{hall color}}" rowspan="2" | [[Image:407.png]] {{pcolor|Roserade|{{hall color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{hall color}}" | [[File:Bag Rose Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{hall color dark}}|Incense#Rose Incense|Rose Incense}}
| style="background:#{{hall color}}" | [[Image:406.png]] {{pcolor|Budew|{{hall color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{hall color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{hall color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:315.png]] {{pcolor|Roselia|{{hall color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{beauty color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{beauty color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{beauty color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" colspan="2" | Parents
! style="background:#{{beauty color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{beauty color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{factory color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:183.png]] {{pcolor|Marill|{{factory color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{factory color}}" rowspan="2" | [[Image:184.png]] {{pcolor|Azumarill|{{factory color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{factory color}}" | [[File:Bag Sea Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{factory color dark}}|Incense#Sea Incense|Sea Incense}}
| style="background:#{{factory color}}" | [[Image:298.png]] {{pcolor|Azurill|{{factory color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{factory color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{factory color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:183.png]] {{pcolor|Marill|{{factory color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{tough color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{tough color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" colspan="2" | Parents
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:113.png]] {{pcolor|Chansey|{{arcade color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" rowspan="2" | [[Image:242.png]] {{pcolor|Blissey|{{arcade color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | [[File:Bag Luck Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{arcade color dark}}|Incense#Luck Incense|Luck Incense}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | [[Image:440.png]] {{pcolor|Happiny|{{arcade color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:113.png]] {{pcolor|Chansey|{{arcade color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{tough color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{tough color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:202.png]] {{pcolor|Wobbuffet|{{arcade color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | [[File:Bag Lax Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{arcade color dark}}|Incense#Lax Incense|Lax Incense}}
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | [[Image:360.png]] {{pcolor|Wynaut|{{arcade color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{arcade color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:202.png]] {{pcolor|Wobbuffet|{{arcade color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{steel color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{steel color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{steel color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{steel color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{steel color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{silver color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:358.png]] {{pcolor|Chimecho|{{silver color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{silver color}}" | [[File:Bag Pure Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{silver color dark}}|Incense#Pure Incense|Pure Incense}}
| style="background:#{{silver color}}" | [[Image:433.png]] {{pcolor|Chingling|{{silver color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{silver color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{silver color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:358.png]] {{pcolor|Chimecho|{{silver color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{rock color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{rock color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{rock color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{rock color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{rock color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{normal color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:185.png]] {{pcolor|Sudowoodo|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color}}" | [[File:Bag Rock Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{normal color dark}}|Incense#Rock Incense|Rock Incense}}
| style="background:#{{normal color}}" | [[Image:438.png]] {{pcolor|Bonsly|{{normal color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{normal color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{normal color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:185.png]] {{pcolor|Sudowoodo|{{normal color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{evasion color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{evasion color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{evasion color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{evasion color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{evasion color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:122.png]] {{pcolor|Mr. Mime|{{poison color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Bag Odd Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{poison color dark}}|Incense#Odd Incense|Odd Incense}}
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}" | [[Image:439.png]] {{pcolor|Mime Jr.|{{poison color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:122.png]] {{pcolor|Mr. Mime|{{poison color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{evasion color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{crystal color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{crystal color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{crystal color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{crystal color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{diamond color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:226.png]] {{pcolor|Mantine|{{diamond color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{diamond color}}" | [[File:Bag Wave Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{diamond color dark}}|Incense#Wave Incense|Wave Incense}}
| style="background:#{{diamond color}}" | [[Image:458.png]] {{pcolor|Mantyke|{{diamond color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{crystal color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{diamond color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:226.png]] {{pcolor|Mantine|{{diamond color dark}}}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #{{evasion color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{evasion color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{evasion color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" | Parents
! style="background:#{{evasion color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{evasion color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{poison color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:143.png]] {{pcolor|Snorlax|{{poison color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{poison color}}" | [[File:Bag Full Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{poison color dark}}|Incense#Full Incense|Full Incense}}
| style="background:#{{poison color}}" | [[Image:446.png]] {{pcolor|Munchlax|{{poison color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{poison color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{poison color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:143.png]] {{pcolor|Snorlax|{{poison color dark}}}}
|}

Other Pokémon like this include {{p|Wobbuffet}} and {{p|Azumarill}}/{{p|Marill}} in [[Generation III]] and beyond, and {{p|Chimecho}}, {{p|Sudowoodo}}, {{p|Mr. Mime}}, {{p|Chansey}}/{{p|Blissey}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, and {{p|Mantine}} in [[Generation IV]] and beyond. Each requires a different attached incense to breed the baby form.