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Pokémon Pokopia

2026-03-07T21:51:09Z

Vulcanos: The Skylands features ruins of Sabrina's Gym and the Karate Dojo on two of the islands, as well as Silph Company even though it ends up being transformed into the Celadon Department Store in the story mode.

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|gen_series=[[Generation IX]] [[Spin-off Pokémon games|spin-off]]
|release_date_ja=March 5, 2026
|release_date_na=March 5, 2026
|release_date_au=March 5, 2026
|release_date_eu=March 5, 2026
|release_date_kr=March 5, 2026
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'''Pokémon Pokopia''' (Japanese: '''ぽこあポケモン''' ''Poco a Pokémon'', or '''ぽこポケ''' ''Pocopoké'' for short) is a {{Spin-off games|spin-off Pokémon game}} for the [[Nintendo Switch 2]]. The player takes control of [[Ditto (Pokopia)|Ditto]], who transforms to look like a [[human]] and explores the world while collecting materials, building structures, and learning [[move]]s from befriended Pokémon. It released worldwide on March 5, 2026.

The game was announced worldwide on September 12, 2025, at 10 P.M. JST via [[Nintendo Direct]]. The game will be available in Japanese, English, French, German, Italian, Korean, Spanish, and Simplified and Traditional Chinese. The digital version of the game was made available for pre-order worldwide on the Nintendo eShop on November 12, 2025, while the physical version on a game-key card was made available to pre-order worldwide on November 13, 2025.

In addition to various retailer exclusive pre-order bonuses, players who purchase the game by January 31, 2027 can receive a {{dl|List of event distributions in Pokémon Pokopia|Ditto rug}} to decorate their room with.

==Gameplay==
The game features [[Ditto (Pokopia)|Ditto]] as the protagonist, who has {{m|transform}}ed to look like a [[human]] after waking from a long slumber. The {{pkmn|world}} has withered and humans are gone, and the only remaining resident is a {{p|Tangrowth}} who lives alone in the wasteland.<ref>[https://pokopia.pokemon.com/en-us/ ''Pokémon Pokopia'' official website]</ref> Ditto can explore the world and create a cozy environment for {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}, rebuilding a desolate world into a charming utopia, one step at a time. Ditto can befriend Pokémon and take advantage of its moves, such as {{m|Leafage}} from {{p|Bulbasaur}} to grow patches of grass or {{m|Water Gun}} from {{p|Squirtle}} to water dried-up plants.<ref>[https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/pokemon-pokopia-arriving-in-2026 ''Pokémon Pokopia'' arriving in 2026] - "Ditto can learn moves from other Pokémon and utilize those moves to help build your very own Pokémon paradise. For example, Ditto can use Bulbasaur's Leafage to add greenery to the landscape or Squirtle's Water Gun to hydrate plants."</ref> Ditto can also collect different materials to build furniture, structures, and grow vegetables to attract other Pokémon.<ref>[https://press.pokemon.com/en/releases/Pokemon-Reveals-Two-New-Video-Game-Experiences-Pokemon-Pokopia-and-Pok September 12, 2025 Press Release — ''Pokémon Reveals Two New Video Game Experiences: Pokémon Pokopia and Pokémon Legends: Z-A – Mega Dimension'']</ref> The game features a real-[[time]] day-night cycle, as well as [[weather condition]]s which can change the environment.

==Locations==
Pokémon Pokopia takes place in the [[Kanto]] region, set an unspecified period of time following a cataclysm forcing the human population to evacuate into space. There are five areas which are based on different cities and towns throughout the region.
* [[Withered Wastelands]] set in [[Fuchsia City]]
* [[Bleak Beach]] set in [[Vermilion City]]
* [[Rocky Ridges]] set in [[Pewter City]]
* [[Sparkling Skylands]] set in a hybrid of [[Celadon City|Celadon]] and [[Saffron City]]
* [[Palette Town]] set in [[Pallet Town]]

==Characters==
<gallery>
Pokopia Ditto.png|[[Ditto (Pokopia)|Ditto]]
Ditto Male Pokopia.png|[[Ditto (Pokopia)|Ditto]] (male human form)
Ditto Female Pokopia.png|[[Ditto (Pokopia)|Ditto]] (female human form)
Pokopia Professor Tangrowth.png|[[Professor Tangrowth]]
Pokopia Smearguru.png|[[Smearguru]]
Pokopia Peakychu.png|[[Peakychu]]
Pokopia Mosslax.png|[[Mosslax]]
Pokopia DJ Rotom.png|[[DJ Rotom]]
Pokopia Chef Dente.png|[[Chef Dente]]
0959Tinkaton-Supervisor.png|[[Tinkmaster]]
</gallery>

For a complete list of other Pokémon, see [[List of Pokémon by Pokopia Pokédex number]].

==Version history==
{|class="roundtable" style="background:#{{Pokopia color}}; border:3px solid #{{Pokopia color dark}}"
!style="background:#{{Pokopia color light}}"|Version
!style="background:#{{Pokopia color light}}"|Release date
!style="background:#{{Pokopia color light}}"|Game file size
!style="background:#{{Pokopia color light}}"|Official note
!style="background:#{{Pokopia color light}}"|More information
|-
|1.0.0
|Original release
|6.2 GB
|N/A
|Initial release. The only way to play this version is to turn off automatic updates, then both preorder and preload the eShop version of the game at least 2 days before launch (March 3 or earlier), then reject the update prompt when the preload is unlocked.<ref>[https://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon/clip/DarkIncredulousCasettePogChamp-1w_M-yI7XVk365gf Digital preload day 1 patch message (1/2) | Clip by zowayix — Twitch]</ref><ref>[https://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon/clip/ExcitedCleverPhoneTheTarFu-AZ-QyLdAZEmorChB Digital preload day 1 patch message (2/2) | Clip by zowayix — Twitch]</ref>
|-
|1.0.1
|March 4, 2026
|6.2 GB
|
* Certain bugs have been fixed.
|Released around 4am UTC (March 3 in some time zones), 7 hours before the game's launch in New Zealand.<ref>[https://reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch2/comments/1rkbgy7/pok%C3%A9mon_pokopia_version_101_is_now_available_day/ Pokémon Pokopia Version 1.0.1 is now available (Day One Patch) : r/NintendoSwitch2]</ref>
|}

==Gallery==
===Logos and artwork===
<gallery>
Pokémon Pokopia Logo JP.png|Japanese logo
Pokémon Pokopia Logo.png|International logo
Pokémon Pokopia key artwork.png|Key visual
</gallery>

===Box arts===
<gallery>
Pokopia CA boxart.png|Canadian box art
Pokopia MX boxart.png|Mexican box art
Pokopia BR boxart.png|Brazilian box art
Pokopia UK boxart.png|United Kingdom/European box art
Pokopia AU boxart.png|Australian box art
Pokopia ZA boxart.png|South African box art
Pokopia SA boxart.png|Saudi Arabian box art
Pokopia AE boxart.png|United Arab Emirates box art
Pokopia SG boxart.png|Southeast Asian box art
Pokopia KR boxart.png|Korean box art
Pokopia TW boxart.png|Hong Kong/Taiwanese box art
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* This is the first Pokémon game:
** Released exclusively for the [[Nintendo Switch 2]].
** Released via a game-key card for the physical version. Futhermore, it is the first game published by Nintendo to be released with a game-key card.
** Since {{g|Conquest}}, released 14 years earlier, to be developed by [[Koei Tecmo]].
* This is the first spin-off Pokémon game to feature [[Mystery Gift]] functionality.
* This is the first spin-off Pokémon game to feature a [[Pokédex]] with a unique numbering system that does not reflect the [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|National Pokédex]].
** It is also the first spin-off Pokémon game to feature a [[Pokédex]] since [[Pokémon Quest]] and the first spin-off Pokémon game to feature a [[regional Pokédex]]-style listing of Pokémon since [[New Pokémon Snap]].
* The title Poco a Pokémon may originate from a combination of ''poco a poco'' (Spanish or Italian for "little by little") and ''Pokémon.'' The name Pokopia may originate from a combination of ''Pokémon'', ''copy'' (in reference to Ditto) and ''utopia''.
* A "Pokopia Font Generator" web tool launched a meme trend for internet users to generate custom images with funny captions or pop-culture references in the font and style of the game's logo.<ref>[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sites/pokopia-font-generator Pokopia Font Generator | Know Your Meme]</ref>

==In other languages==
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|fr=Pokémon Pokopia
|de=Pokémon Pokopia
|it=Pokémon Pokopia
|ko={{tt|Pokémon Pokopia|포켓몬 포코피아}}
|es=Pokémon Pokopia
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==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Other games}}
{{Project Games notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon Pokopia|*]]
[[Category:Nintendo Switch 2 games]]

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Allister

2021-01-02T01:39:20Z

Vulcanos: Added dialogue, content from the manga, and some touchups. Anyone willing to help me is welcome.

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'''Allister''' (Japanese: '''オニオン''' ''Onion'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Stow-on-Side]]'s Gym, known officially as [[Stow-on-Side Stadium]]. He [[Type expert|specializes]] in {{type|Ghost}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}. He gives the {{badge|Ghost}} to Trainers who defeat him. In [[Pokémon Sword and Shield|Pokémon Sword]], [[Bea]] takes his place as Stow-on-Side's Gym Leader instead.

==In the games==
{{incomplete|section}}
Allister is the fourth Gym Leader [[Galar]] {{pkmn|Trainer}}s face in their [[Galar League|Gym Challenge]] in [[Pokémon Sword and Shield|Pokémon Shield]]. This mysterious Trainer became the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Stow-on-Side Stadium|Stow-on-Side Gym]] at a very young age. He is known to be very shy and fearful around people which is why he wears a mask. The mask serves as a way of confronting his fears and insecurities. He never removes his mask in public. He also keeps about 100 masks with the same design needed in the event his mask falls off. He is rarely seen around in public, preferring to spend most this time alone in ruins and cemeteries.<ref>https://swordshield.pokemon.com/en-us/people-galar-region/ghost-type-gym-leader-allister/</ref> According to Allister, he claims to have the ability to see deceased {{type|Ghost}} Pokémon after a supposed accident at the age of four.

===League Cards===
This is a transcript of the back of Allister's [[League Card]]s in [[Pokémon Sword and Shield|Pokémon Shield]].
;Normal League Card
:"He is a young, mysterious {{pkmn|Trainer}} who has taken on the mantle of [[Gym Leader]] at a very young age. He has never been known to remove his mask in public. In fact, he has at least one hundred masks of the same design, just to keep spares handy should his mask fall off for some reason. He claims to have developed the ability to see deceased {{type|Ghost}} Pokémon after an accident he had when he was four years old, but the truth is still a mystery."
;Rare League Card
:"This is a photo that happened to capture Allister in his locker room. He can be seen clutching the mask that normally hides his face, no doubt confronting the fears and insecurities he feels within. Even though he has taken the role of Gym Leader at a very young age, it is clear that off the pitch he is still very much a normal boy. However, one mystery remains—nobody knows who took this photo. Some even claim it was the work of Ghost-type Pokémon."

===Pokémon===
Allister keeps his Pokémon in [[Dusk Ball]]s.
===={{g|Shield}}====
=====[[Stow-on-Side Stadium]]=====
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|{{Pokémon/8
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|ndex=778
|pokemon=Mimikyu
|level=34
|gender=male
|type1=Ghost|type2=Fairy
|ability=Disguise
|move1=Shadow Sneak|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Baby-Doll Eyes|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Status
|move3=Hone Claws|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Status
|move4=Slash|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical
}}
{{Party/Div|color={{ghost color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|game=SwSh
|ndex=864
|pokemon=Cursola
|level=35
|gender=female
|type1=Ghost
|ability=Weak Armor
|move1=Ancient Power|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Special
|move2=Curse|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Hex|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|game=SwSh
|ndex=094
|pokemon=Gengar
|form=-Gigantamax
|level=36
|gender=male
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|ability=Cursed Body
|move1=Venoshock|move1type=Poison|move1cat=Special
|move2=Hex|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Hypnosis|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Status
|move4=Payback|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical
}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====Champion Cup Finals=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{ghost color}}
|bordercolor={{ghost color dark}}
|headcolor={{ghost color light}}
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|name=Allister
|game=Sh
|location=Wyndon Stadium
|pokemon=5}}|{{Pokémon/8
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|gender=male
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|held=
|move1=Shadow Punch|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Thunder Punch|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Tomb|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
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|{{Pokémon/8
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|pokemon=Chandelure
|gender=male
|level=52
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|move2=Mystical Fire|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Will-O-Wisp|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/8
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|pokemon=Cursola
|gender=male
|level=53
|type1=Ghost
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|move1=Hex|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Strength Sap|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Ancient Power|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Special
|move4=Amnesia|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{ghost color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=855
|pokemon=Polteageist
|gender=
|level=53
|type1=Ghost
|ability=Weak Armor
|held=
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Protect|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Nasty Plot|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Status
|move4=Giga Drain|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=094
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|ability=Cursed Body
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|move2=Sludge Bomb|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Dark Pulse|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Special
|move4=Hypnosis|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====Champion tournaments=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{ghost color}}
|bordercolor={{ghost color dark}}
|headcolor={{ghost color light}}
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|{{Pokémon/8
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|pokemon=Chandelure
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|level={{tt|60|Before Galarian Star Tournament}}/{{tt|72|After Galarian Star Tournament}}
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|{{Pokémon/8
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|move4=Amnesia|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{ghost color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/8
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|pokemon=Runerigus
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|level={{tt|61|Before Galarian Star Tournament}}/{{tt|73|After Galarian Star Tournament}}
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|move4=Trick Room|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/8
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|form=-Gigantamax
|gender=male
|level={{tt|62|Before Galarian Star Tournament}}/{{tt|74|After Galarian Star Tournament}}
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
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|move4=Hypnosis|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====Galarian Star Tournament=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{ghost color}}
|bordercolor={{ghost color dark}}
|headcolor={{ghost color light}}
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|class=Gym Leader
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|game=Sh
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|pokemon=3
|style="margin:auto"}}|{{Pokémon/8
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|pokemon=Dusknoir
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|held=
|move1=Shadow Punch|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Physical
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|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=864
|pokemon=Cursola
|gender=male
|level=73
|type1=Ghost
|ability=Weak Armor
|held=
|move1=Hex|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Strength Sap|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Ancient Power|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Special
|move4=Amnesia|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=094
|pokemon=Gengar
|form=-Gigantamax
|gender=male
|level=74
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|ability=Cursed Body
|held=
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sludge Bomb|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Dark Pulse|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Special
|move4=Hypnosis|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

===Quotes===
{{incomplete|section}}
;[[Stow-on-Side Stadium]]
:''"...’M Allister."''
:''"H-here...I go..."''

* Upon sending out final Pokémon
:''"My very last Pokémon... How lonely... How frightening..."''

* Upon activating [[Gigantamax]]
:''"Gengar... Gigantamax... Swallow everything in darkness..."''

* Upon using {{m|G-Max Terror}}
:''"G-Max Terror... It’s like {{a|Shadow Tag}}... You won’t get away... I won’t let you!"''

* Upon being defeated
:''"I nearly lost my mask from the shock... That was...wow. I can see your skill for what it is."''

* After being defeated
:''"Crumbs..."''
:''"...That was ace."''
:''"Here... A Ghost Badge..."''
:''"G...good luck! With...um...everything..."''

;[[Wyndon Stadium]] (Champion Cup Locker Room)

* In locker room before the {{DL|Galar League|Champion Cup}} Finals
:''"My mask... It feels like it's going to fall off..."

* Before battle
:''"...'M Allister."''
:''"...You look well."''
:''"I remember you..."''
:''"You were the strongest Gym Challenger I had."''
:''"Er... so I reckon... we sh-should battle!"''

* At start of battle
:''"Everyone's looking... I want to hide... but I'll fight!"

* Upon being defeated
:''"Maybe my mask... kept me from seeing just how strong you really are..."

* After being defeated
:''"Crumbs..."''
:''"...That was ace."''
:''"G-give it your best out there."''
:''"I'm mad about strong Trainers..."''

* During the post-game
;[[Stow-on-Side Stadium]] ([[Sordward]] and [[Shielbert]])
:''"...Oh. You."''
:''"You came to help me?"''
:''"The people got all out..."''
:''"But I'm the Gym Leader..."''
:''"I'll... battle the Dynamax Pokémon!"''
:''"That'd... That'd be brilliant, thanks!"
:''"There's loads of 'em... I hope everyone can take one each. Please!"''
:''"...Let's go!"''

* After defeating the Dynamax {{p|Dusknoir}}
:''"...Th-Thanks. A lot."''
:''"The Pokémon have all calmed down."''
:''"They can rest here... They should be fine in time..."''
:''"<Player>... Here... My League Card."''
:''"...Y-you can leave things here to me."''
:''"I-I'd rather you go help those who need you!"''

;[[Wyndon Stadium]] (Champion Cup Rematch)
* Before battle
:''"...Let's start the match."''

* Upon being defeated
:''"I'm glad I had my mask..."''
:''"I was making quite the face just now..."''

* After being defeated
:''"...The only reason I can battle in front of so many people without completely losing my cool is thanks to you, Champion."''
:''"Battles with you are so absorbing they simply make me forget myself or where I am."''

;[[Isle of Armor]] Random Encounters
* When first spoken to
:''"...O-oh, <player>! What are you...doing here?"''
:''"...Oh, training? Mm... Yeah, you can focus here. ...Since there are no people."''

* If found in [[Fields of Honor]]
:''"...I-I sometimes see a massive Pokémon across the water. ...Maybe it's [[Dynamax|D-Dynamaxing]]?"''

* If found in [[Forest of Focus]]
:''"...This place feels nothing like [[Glimwood Tangle]]. Th-though it's about as easy to get lost in..."''

* If found on [[Challenge Road]]
:''"...Th-this area's so steep and rugged, it reminds me of [[Stow-on-Side]]. ...T-take care not to fall. We don't know each other that well yet..."''

* If found in [[Courageous Cavern]]
:''"Eep! ...Er, <player>? B-behind you... Ah, er, nothing... It's nothing too bad...relatively speaking."''

* If found on [[Challenge Beach]] or [[Training Lowlands]]
:''"I...I can hear so many voices from the sea... Do you think they’re all lonely?"''

* If found in [[Potbottom Desert]]
:''"...I'm b-building a little mountain of sand. Apparently if one absorbs enough grudges, it can become a Pokémon..."''

*During [[harsh sunlight]] or clear skies
:''"...Quite a h-hot one today, isn't it? It's getting all sweaty underneath my mask. That really...dampens my spirits..."''

*During overcast conditions
:''"...It's so dark, with the sky wrapped up in all these thick black clouds. Honestly, it's a bit of a relief..."''

*During [[rain]] or thunderstorms
:''"...Er...would you...ahh? Would you...like to hear a scary story that's got to do with rain?"''

* During a {{OBP|sandstorm|weather condition}}
:''"...Wh-when I'm wearing my mask, even sandstorms aren't much of a bother. Maybe I should have {{p|Gengar}} and the rest wear masks, too..."''

*During [[Fog|foggy conditions]]
:''"I-I’ve made a big discovery! When I can’t see my opponent through the fog, I hardly get nervous at all!"''

;[[Wyndon Stadium]] ([[Galarian Star Tournament]])
::'''Partnering with Allister'''
*In the locker room before the first round
:''"A...are you really sure you wanted m-me to be your partner?"''

*In the locker room before the second round
:''"Umm...Let's...er...let's do it again!"''

*In the locker room before the last round
:''"<player>...L...L...Let's win this tourney!"''
*On the field towards specific trainers
:(To [[Milo]]): ''"I-I'll do my best, Milo..."''
:(To [[Melony]]): ''"P-please don't be too harsh on us..."''

*On the field before the first round battle
:''"I-I'm ready..."''

*On the field before the second round battle
:''"I'm c-counting on you for this battle, too..."''

*On the field before the last round battle
:''"Y-you can do it, <player>.... I...I believe in you!"''

*Winning the Tournament
:''"<player>! W...we won! Th-this is...amazing!"''

::'''Battling against Allister'''
*Before the first Galarian Star Tournament
:''"Wh-wh-wh-what?! M-m-me?! Partner with... you?!"''
:''"D-doesn't that seem a bit sudden?! I...I don't think... No, I c-couldn't possibly..."''

* During first Galarian Star Tournament battle with Melony
:''"I... I'm not so g-great with Multi Battles..."''
:(to Melony) ''"I'll... I'll try my best."''

* Before tournament battle
:(With Melony) ''"R-right you are! W-we'll send chills up your spines..."''
:(With Milo) ''"Th-thanks, Milo... I... appreciate it..."''
:(With [[Mustard]]) ''"I-I-I'll... do my best!"''

* Upon sending out final Pokémon
:''"Good-byes are so sad... P-please... stay with me..."''

* Upon activating [[Gigantamax]] in the Galarian Star Tournament
:''"C-creep out of the shadows, {{p|Gengar}}. Show them all your reproach...

* Upon being defeated in the Galarian Star Tournament
:''"...Y-your coordination was so dazzling, it shone right through my mask."''

* If beaten in the first round
:''"Y-you're too strong... I bet you'll have no problem in the next match..."''

* If beaten in the semifinals
:''"The final match won't be any trouble for you, <Player>... I-I know you'll win!"''

==Artwork==
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background:#{{ghost color}}; font-size:80%"
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background:#{{ghost color light}}"| [[File:Allister TW.png|x250px]]
|-
|Artwork of Allister from {{color2|000|Pokémon: Twilight Wings}}
|}

===Sprites===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background:#{{ghost color}}; font-size:80%"
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background:#{{ghost color light}}"| [[File:GST Allister icon.png|100px]]
|-
|Icon from the {{color2|000|Galarian Star Tournament}} menu
|}

===[[League Card]]s===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background:#{{ghost color}}; font-size:80%"
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background:#{{ghost color light}}"| [[File:League Card Allister.png|x250px]]
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background:#{{ghost color light}}"| [[File:League Card Allister rare.png|x250px]]
|-
|Allister's {{color2|000|League Card}} in {{color2|000|Pokémon Sword and Shield|Shield}}
|Allister's rare {{color2|000|League Card}} in {{color2|000|Pokémon Sword and Shield|Shield}}
|}

==In the anime==
[[File:Allister Twilight Wings.png|thumb|250px|Allister in [[Pokémon: Twilight Wings]]]]

===In Pokémon: Twilight Wings===
Allister made a cameo appearance in ''[[TW01|Letter]]''. He reappeared in ''[[TW05|Assistant]]''.

In ''[[TW06|Moonlight]]'', Allister was contemplating in a cemetery and enjoying the full moon when he sensed someone coming, which turned out to be {{gal|Tommy}}. Tommy requested Allister's assistance in cheering up his sick friend {{gal|John}} by getting him an invitation to one of [[Leon]]'s matches. Though Allister was too shy to do this, he assisted Tommy in sneaking into John's hospital room so he could apologize for an argument they had.

In ''[[TW07|Sky]]'', Allister gave his thoughts about Leon in an interview. He also spectated the match between Leon and [[Raihan]] together with Tommy and his Pokémon.

In ''[[TW08|The Gathering of Stars]]'', Alliser was seen with his mask off at the cemetery with his {{p|Cursola}} while enjoying the moonlight while his other Pokémon were seen playing with his invitation letter for the [[Galarian Star Tournament]]. He was later seen at [[Wyndon Stadium]], walking out onto the field for the tournament's opening ceremony.

====Character====
Allister is shy and prefers to keep to himself. However, he is also mischievous and enjoys scaring people for fun.

====Pokémon====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Allister
|pkmn=Gastly
|nick=Gastly, Haunter, and Gengar
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Poison
|img=Allister Pokemon TW.png
|epnum=TW06
|epname=Moonlight
|vajp=Kiyotaka Furushima
|vaen=List of English voice actors{{!}}Kai Jordan
|vaennote=Gastly
|vaen2=Casey Mongillo
|vaen2note=Haunter
|desc={{p|Gastly}}, {{p|Haunter}}, and {{p|Gengar}} are Allister's only known Pokémon.

The three were present when {{gal|Tommy}} requested Allister's help to visit his friend {{gal|John}} in the hospital. They later scared the [[Taxi Driver]].

None of their moves are known.}}

====Voice actors====
{{vatable|color={{ghost color light}}|bordercolor={{ghost color dark}}
|ja=Ryo Hirohashi
|en=[[Casey Mongillo]]}}

===In the GOTCHA! music video===
Allister briefly appeared in [[GOTCHA!]].

==In the manga==
[[File:Allister Adventures.png|thumb|150px|Allister in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Allister debuted in [[PASS13]]. He was first seen facing [[Sōdo Tsurugi]] in a [[Gym]] {{pkmn|battle}} at [[Stow-on-Side Stadium]], but was eventually defeated without managing to defeat a single one of Sōdo's Pokémon. He then has a hard time figuring out how to congratulate Sōdo given that Tsurugi encountered his deceased grandfather's spirit during the battle thanks to Gengar's Gigantamax form and is left unsatisfied.

Later, he takes an interest to [[Professor Magnolia]]'s {{p|Sinistea}} and {{p|Polteageist}} being their Authentic forms, but is unable to think of a way to ask Magnolia properly before being scared off by [[Shirudomiria Tate]], who was eavesdropping. Allister then immediately rushes up to Stow-on-Side's ancient mural on the back of his Gengar, as it was being destroyed by [[Bede]] and a {{p|Copperajah}} on loan from [[Chairman Rose]] in Bede's hunt to seek out [[Wishing Piece|Wishing Pieces]]. When Bede insists that this task was assigned to him by the Chairman himself, a visibly shaken Allister says that he's lying.
{{-}}

====Pokémon====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Allister
|pkmn=Yamask
|type1=Ground
|type2=Ghost
|img=Allister Yamask Adventures.png
|epnum=PASS13
|epname=
|desc={{rf|Galarian}} {{p|Yamask}} is Allister's first known Pokémon. It was first used to battle [[Sōdo Tsurugi|Sōdo]]'s [[Ransun]] in a Gym battle, but was defeated. It is housed in a [[Dusk Ball]].

Yamask's only known move is {{m|Brutal Swing}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Allister
|pkmn=Cursola
|type1=Ghost
|img=Allister Cursola Adventures.png
|img_size=130px
|epnum=PASS13
|epname=
|desc={{p|Cursola}} is Allister's second known Pokémon. It was first used to battle [[Sōdo Tsurugi|Sōdo]] in a Gym battle. It managed to damage Sōdo's [[Ransun]], but was defeated by his {{p|Oranguru|Gunbain}}.

None of Cursola's moves are known.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Allister
|pkmn=Gengar ↔ Gigantamax Gengar
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Poison
|img=Allister Gengar Adventures.png
|img2=Allister Gigantamax Gengar Adventures.png
|img2_size=150px
|cap=Allister's Gengar
|cap2=Allister's Gengar
|epnum=PASS13
|epname=
|desc={{p|Gengar}} is Allister's third known Pokémon. It was first used in Allister's Gym battle against [[Sōdo Tsurugi|Sōdo]], but was defeated by his {{p|Oranguru|Gunbain}} after its [[Gigantamax]] wore off. It is housed in a [[Dusk Ball]]. Allister also uses it as a mode of transportation.

Gengar's only known move is {{m|Venoshock}}{{tt|*|Mentioned only}}{{tt|*|Gengar is also implied to know a damaging Ghost-type move due to the use of G-Max Terror}}. 
As a Gigantamax Gengar, it can use {{m|G-Max Terror}} and {{m|Max Ooze}}.}}

==In the TCG==
[[File:AllisterVividVoltage179.jpg|200px|thumb|Full Art print of Allister]]
{{main|Allister (Vivid Voltage 146)}}
'''Allister''' was introduced as a {{TCG|Supporter card}} in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]] during the English Sword & Shield Series (the Japanese Sword & Shield Era). It was first released in the Japanese {{TCG|Legendary Heartbeat}} subset and the English {{TCG|Vivid Voltage}} expansion, with artwork by [[take]]. It was also released as a {{TCG|Full Art card}} and {{TCG|Secret card}} in the same Japanese and English expansions, with artwork by [[Sanosuke Sakuma]]. It allows the player to draw three cards then discard up to three from their hand.
{{-}}

==Trivia==
* Allister's uniform number is "291", which can be read in Japanese as {{wp|Japanese wordplay#Goroawase|goroawase}} for 憎い ''nikui'', meaning "hateful".

==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{ghost color light}}; border:3px solid #{{ghost color}}"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| オニオン ''Onion''
| From ''onion'' and 鬼 ''oni'' (demon, ogre)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English, Brazilian Portuguese
| Allister
| From ''{{wp|Allium}}'' (genus that contains onions) and ''{{wp|Aleister Crowley}}''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| German
| Nio
| From ''onion'' and 鬼 ''oni'' (Japanese for demon or ogre)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Spanish, French
| Alistair
| Similar to his English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Italian
| Onion
| Same as his Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 어니언 ''Onion''
| Transcription of his Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 歐尼奧 / 欧尼奥 ''Ōuní'ào''
| Transcription of his Japanese name and 奧 / 奥 ''ào'' (mysterious, obscure)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 歐尼奧 ''Āunèih'ou''
| Transcription of his Japanese name and 奧 ''ou'' (mysterious, obscure)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Russian
| Аллистер ''Allister''
| Transcription of his English name
|}

==References==
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==Related articles==
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[[Category:Gym Leaders]]
[[Category:Ghost-type Trainers]]
[[Category:Trainers with Dynamax Bands]]
[[Category:Pokémon: Twilight Wings characters]]
[[Category:Characters named after real people]]

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Allister

2020-10-24T02:15:49Z

Vulcanos: /* Quotes */ Added some more quotes from the Galarian Star Tournament. Hopefully when I unlock him as a partner, I can add more dialogue.

{{CharInfobox
|color={{ghost color}}
|corecolor={{ghost color light}}
|bordercolor={{ghost color dark}}
|name=Allister
|jname=オニオン
|tmname=Onion
|slogan=yes
|sloganline=The silent boy of mystery!
|image=Sword Shield Allister.png
|size=180px
|caption=Artwork from Sword and Shield
|gender=Male
|colors=yes
|eyes=Purple
|hair=Black
|hometown=[[Stow-on-Side]]
|region=[[Galar]]
|trainer=yes
|trainerclass=[[Gym Leader]]
|game=yes
|generation={{gen|VIII}}
|games={{pkmn|Sword and Shield|Shield}}
|leader=yes
|gym=Stow-on-Side Stadium
|badge=Badge#Ghost Badge{{!}}Ghost Badge
|specialist=yes
|type={{t|Ghost}} types
|anime=no
|gameanim=yes
|pv=yes
|pvnum=TW01
|pvname=Letter
|envagame=[[Casey Mongillo]]
|javagame=Ryo Hirohashi
}}

'''Allister''' (Japanese: '''オニオン''' ''Onion'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Stow-on-Side]]'s Gym, known officially as [[Stow-on-Side Stadium]]. He [[Type expert|specializes]] in {{type|Ghost}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}. He gives the {{badge|Ghost}} to Trainers who defeat him. In [[Pokémon Sword and Shield|Pokémon Sword]], [[Bea]] takes his place as Stow-on-Side's Gym Leader instead.

==In the games==
{{incomplete|section}}
Allister is the fourth Gym Leader [[Galar]] {{pkmn|Trainer}}s face in their [[Galar League|Gym Challenge]] in Pokémon Shield. This mysterious Trainer became the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Stow-on-Side Stadium|Stow-on-Side Gym]] at a very young age. He is known to have a very shy and fearful around people which is why he wears a mask. The mask serves as a way of confronting his fears and insecurities. He never removes his mask in public. He also keeps about 100 masks with the same design needed in the event his mask falls off. He is rarely seen around in public, preferring to spent most this time alone in ruins and cemeteries.<ref>https://swordshield.pokemon.com/en-us/people-galar-region/ghost-type-gym-leader-allister/</ref> According to Allister, he claims to have the ability to see deceased {{type|Ghost}} Pokémon after a supposed accident at the age of four.

===League Cards===
This is a transcript of the back of Allister's [[League Card]]s in [[Pokémon Sword and Shield|Pokémon Shield]].
;Normal League Card
:"He is a young, mysterious {{pkmn|Trainer}} who has taken on the mantle of [[Gym Leader]] at a very young age. He has never been known to remove his mask in public. In fact, he has at least one hundred masks of the same design, just to keep spares handy should his mask fall off for some reason. He claims to have developed the ability to see deceased {{type|Ghost}} Pokémon after an accident he had when he was four years old, but the truth is still a mystery."
;Rare League Card
:"This is a photo that happened to capture Allister in his locker room. He can be seen clutching the mask that normally hides his face, no doubt confronting the fears and insecurities he feels within. Even though he has taken the role of Gym Leader at a very young age, it is clear that off the pitch he is still very much a normal boy. However, one mystery remains—nobody knows who took this photo. Some even claim it was the work of Ghost-type Pokémon."

===Pokémon===
Allister keeps his Pokémon in [[Dusk Ball]]s.
===={{g|Shield}}====
=====[[Stow-on-Side Stadium]]=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{ghost color}}
|bordercolor={{ghost color dark}}
|headcolor={{ghost color light}}
|sprite=VSAllister.png
|size=150px
|prize={{PDollar}}5,760
|class=Gym Leader
|classlink=Gym Leader
|name={{color2|000|Allister}}
|game=Sh
|location=Stow-on-Side Stadium
|pokemon=4}}|{{Pokémon/8
|game=SwSh
|ndex=562
|pokemon=Yamask
|form=-Galar
|level=34
|gender=male
|type1=Ground|type2=Ghost
|ability=Wandering Spirit
|move1=Brutal Swing|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Hex|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|game=SwSh
|ndex=778
|pokemon=Mimikyu
|level=34
|gender=male
|type1=Ghost|type2=Fairy
|ability=Disguise
|move1=Shadow Sneak|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Baby-Doll Eyes|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Status
|move3=Hone Claws|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Status
|move4=Slash|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical
}}
{{Party/Div|color={{ghost color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|game=SwSh
|ndex=864
|pokemon=Cursola
|level=35
|gender=female
|type1=Ghost
|ability=Weak Armor
|move1=Ancient Power|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Special
|move2=Curse|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Hex|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|game=SwSh
|ndex=094
|pokemon=Gengar
|form=-Gigantamax
|level=36
|gender=male
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Poison
|ability=Cursed Body
|move1=Venoshock|move1type=Poison|move1cat=Special
|move2=Hex|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Hypnosis|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Status
|move4=Payback|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical
}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====Champion Cup Finals=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{ghost color}}
|bordercolor={{ghost color dark}}
|headcolor={{ghost color light}}
|sprite=VSAllister.png
|size=150px
|prize={{PDollar}}8,640
|class=Gym Leader
|classlink=Gym Leader
|name=Allister
|game=Sh
|location=Wyndon Stadium
|pokemon=5}}|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=477
|pokemon=Dusknoir
|gender=male
|level=52
|type1=Ghost
|ability=Pressure
|held=
|move1=Shadow Punch|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Thunder Punch|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Tomb|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Disable|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=609
|pokemon=Chandelure
|gender=male
|level=52
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|held=
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Mystical Fire|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Will-O-Wisp|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=864
|pokemon=Cursola
|gender=male
|level=53
|type1=Ghost
|ability=Weak Armor
|held=
|move1=Hex|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Strength Sap|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Ancient Power|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Special
|move4=Amnesia|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{ghost color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=855
|pokemon=Polteageist
|gender=
|level=53
|type1=Ghost
|ability=Weak Armor
|held=
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Protect|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Nasty Plot|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Status
|move4=Giga Drain|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=094
|pokemon=Gengar
|form=-Gigantamax
|gender=male
|level=54
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Poison
|ability=Cursed Body
|held=
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sludge Bomb|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Dark Pulse|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Special
|move4=Hypnosis|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====Champion tournaments=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{ghost color}}
|bordercolor={{ghost color dark}}
|headcolor={{ghost color light}}
|sprite=VSAllister.png
|size=150px
|prize={{PDollar}}9,920
|class=Gym Leader
|classlink=Gym Leader
|name=Allister
|game=Sh
|location=Wyndon Stadium
|pokemon=5
|style="margin:auto"}}|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=477
|pokemon=Dusknoir
|gender=male
|level=60
|type1=Ghost
|ability=Pressure
|held=
|move1=Shadow Punch|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Fire Punch|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Punch|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Disable|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=609
|pokemon=Chandelure
|gender=male
|level=60
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|held=
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Heat Wave|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Energy Ball|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Special
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=864
|pokemon=Cursola
|gender=male
|level=61
|type1=Ghost
|ability=Weak Armor
|held=
|move1=Hex|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Strength Sap|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Ancient Power|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Special
|move4=Amnesia|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{ghost color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=867
|pokemon=Runerigus
|gender=male
|level=61
|type1=Ground
|type2=Ghost
|ability=Wandering Spirit
|held=
|move1=Earthquake|move1type=Ground|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Shadow Claw|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Trick Room|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=094
|pokemon=Gengar
|form=-Gigantamax
|gender=male
|level=62
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Poison
|ability=Cursed Body
|held=
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sludge Bomb|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Dark Pulse|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Special
|move4=Hypnosis|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

===Quotes===
{{incomplete|section}}
;[[Stow-on-Side Stadium]]
:''"...’M Allister."''
:''"H-here...I go..."''

* Upon sending out final Pokémon
:''"My very last Pokémon... How lonely... How frightening..."''

* Upon activating [[Gigantamax]]
:''"Gengar... Gigantamax... Swallow everything in darkness..."''

* Upon using {{m|G-Max Terror}}
:''"G-Max Terror... It’s like {{a|Shadow Tag}}... You won’t get away... I won’t let you!"''

* Upon being defeated
:''"I nearly lost my mask from the shock... That was...wow. I can see your skill for what it is."''

* After being defeated
:''"Crumbs..."''
:''"...That was ace."''
:''"Here... A Ghost Badge..."''
:''"G...good luck! With...um...everything..."''

* During the post-game
:''"...Oh. You."''
:''"You came to help me?"''
:''"The people got all out..."''
:''"But I'm the Gym Leader..."''
:''"I'll... battle the Dynamax Pokémon!"''
:''"That'd... That'd be brilliant, thanks!"
:''"There's loads of 'em... I hope everyone can take one each. Please!"''
:''"...Let's go!"''

* After defeating the Dynamax [[Dusknoir_(Pokémon)|Dusknoir]]
:''"...Th-Thanks. A lot."''
:''"The Pokémon have all calmed down."''
:''"They can rest here... They should be fine in time..."''
:''"<Player>... Here... My League Card."''
:''"...Y-you can leave things here to me."''
:''"I-I'd rather you go help those who need you!"''

;[[Wyndon Stadium]]

* In locker room before the [[Galar_League#Champion_Cup|Champion Cup]] Finals
:''"My mask... It feels like it's going to fall off..."

* Before battle
:''"...'M Allister."''
:''"...You look well."''
:''"I remember you..."''
:''"You were the strongest Gym Challenger I had."''
:''"Er... so I reckon... we sh-should battle!"''

* At start of battle
:''"Everyone's looking... I want to hide... but I'll fight!"

* Upon being defeated
:''"Maybe my mask... kept me from seeing just how strong you really are..."

* After being defeated
:''"Crumbs..."''
:''"...That was ace."''
:''"G-give it your best out there."''
:''"I'm mad about strong Trainers..."''

* Before [[Wyndon Stadium/Champion tournaments|Champion tournament]] Rematch
:''"...let's start the match."''

* Upon being defeated
:''"I'm glad I had my mask..."''
:''"I was making quite the face just now..."''

*After being defeated
:''"...the only reason I can battle in front of so many people without completely losing my cool is thanks to you, Champion."''
:''"Battles with you are so absorbing they simply make me forget myself or where I am."''

* In Wyndon Stadium lobby before the [[Wyndon_Stadium/Galarian_Star_Tournament|Galarian Star Tournament]]
:''"Wh-wh-wh-what?!"''
:''"M-m-me?! Partner with... you?!"''
:''"D-doesn't that seem a bit sudden?! I... I don't think... No, I c-couldn't possibly..."''

* During first Galarian Star Tournament battle with [[Melony]]
:''"I... I'm not so g-great with Multi Battles..."''
:(to Melony) ''"I'll... I'll try my best."''

* Before tournament battle
:(With Melony) ''"R-right you are! W-we'll send chills up your spines..."''

* Upon sending out final Pokémon
:''"Good-byes are so sad... P-please... stay with me..."''

* Upon activating [[Gigantamax]] in the Galarian Star Tournament
:''"C-creep out of the shadows, [[Gengar_(Pokémon)|Gengar]]. Show them all your reproach...

* Upon being defeated in the Galarian Star Tournament
:''"...Y-your coordination was so dazzling, it shone right through my mask."''

;[[Isle of Armor]] random encounters

* When first spoken to
:''"...O-Oh, <Player>! What are you... doing here?"''
:''"...Oh, training?"''
:''"Mm... yeah, you can focus here. ...Since there are no people."''

* If found in the [[Forest of Focus]]
:''"...This place feels nothing like [[Glimwood Tangle]]. Th-though it's about as easy to get lost in..."''

* If found in [[Potbottom Desert]]
:''"...I'm b-building a little mountain of sand."''
:''"Apparently if one absorbs enough grudges, it can become a [[Sandygast_(Pokémon)|Pokémon]]..."''

* If found on [[Challenge Beach]] or [[Fields of Honor]]
:''"I... I can hear so many voices from the sea... Do you think they're all lonely?"''

* If found on [[Challenge Road]]
:''"...Th-this area's so steep and rugged, it reminds me of Stow-on-Side."''
:''"...T-take care not to fall. We don't know each other that well yet..."''

* During a [[Sandstorm_(weather_condition)|sandstorm]]
:''"Wh-when I'm wearing my mask, even sandstorms aren't much of a bother."''
:''"Maybe I should have Gengar and the rest wear masks, too..."

*During [[harsh sunlight]] or clear skies
:''"...Quite a h-hot one today, isn't it? It's getting all sweaty underneath my mask."''
:''"That really... dampens my spirits..."''

*During overcast conditions
:''"...It's so dark, with the sky wrapped up in all these thick black clouds."''
:''"Honestly, it's a bit of a relief..."

*During [[Fog|foggy conditions]]
:''"I-I've made a big discovery!"''
:''"When I can't see my opponent through the fog, I hardly get nervous at all!"''

*During rain or thunderstorms
:''"...Er ...would you ... ah?"''
:''"Would you... like to hear a scary story that's got to do with rain?"''

==Artwork==
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background: #{{ghost color}}; font-size:80%"
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background: #{{ghost color light}}"| [[File:Allister TW.png|x250px]]
|-
|Artwork of Allister from {{color2|000|Pokémon: Twilight Wings}}
|}

===[[League Card]]s===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background: #{{ghost color}}; font-size:80%"
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background: #{{ghost color light}}"| [[File:League Card Allister.png|x250px]]
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background: #{{ghost color light}}"| [[File:League Card Allister rare.png|x250px]]
|-
|Allister's {{color2|000|League Card}} in {{color2|000|Pokémon Sword and Shield|Shield}}
|Allister's rare {{color2|000|League Card}} in {{color2|000|Pokémon Sword and Shield|Shield}}
|}

==In the anime==
[[File:Allister Twilight Wings.png|thumb|250px|Allister in [[Pokémon: Twilight Wings]]]]

===In Pokémon: Twilight Wings===
Allister made a cameo appearance in ''[[TW01|Letter]]''. He reappeared in ''[[TW05|Assistant]]''.

In ''[[TW06|Moonlight]]'', Allister was contemplating in a cemetery and enjoying the full moon when sensed someone coming, which turned out to be {{gal|Tommy}}. Tommy requested Allister's assistance in cheering up his sick friend {{gal|John}} by getting him an invitation to one of [[Leon]]'s matches. Though Allister was too shy to do this, he assisted Tommy in sneaking into John's hospital room so he could apologize for an argument they had.

In ''[[TW07|Sky]]'', Allister gave his thoughts about Leon in an interview. He also spectated the match between Leon and [[Raihan]] together with Tommy and his Pokémon.

====Character====
Allister is shy and prefers to keep to himself. However, he is also mischievous and enjoys scaring people for fun.

====Pokémon====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Allister
|pkmn=Gastly
|nick=Gastly, Haunter, and Gengar
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Poison
|img=Allister Pokemon TW.png
|epnum=TW06
|epname=Moonlight
|vajp=Kiyotaka Furushima
|vaen=List of English voice actors{{!}}Kai Jordan
|vaennote=Gastly
|vaen2=Casey Mongillo
|vaen2note=Haunter
|desc={{p|Gastly}}, {{p|Haunter}}, and {{p|Gengar}} are Allister's only known Pokémon.

The three were present when {{gal|Tommy}} requested Allister's help to visit his friend {{gal|John}} in the hospital. They later scared the [[Taxi Driver]].

None of their moves are known.}}

====Voice actors====
{{vatable|color={{ghost color light}}|bordercolor={{ghost color dark}}
|ja=Ryo Hirohashi
|en=[[Casey Mongillo]]}}

===In the GOTCHA! music video===
Allister briefly appeared in [[GOTCHA!]].


==Trivia==
* Allister's uniform number is "291", which can be read in Japanese as {{wp|Japanese wordplay#Goroawase|goroawase}} for 憎い ''nikui'', meaning "hateful".

==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{ghost color light}}; border:3px solid #{{ghost color}}"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| オニオン ''Onion''
| From ''onion'' and 鬼 ''oni'' (demon, ogre)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English, Brazilian Portuguese
| Allister
| From ''{{wp|Allium}}'' (genus that contains onions) and ''{{wp|Aleister Crowley}}''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| German
| Nio
| From ''onion'' and 鬼 ''oni'' (Japanese for demon or ogre)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Spanish, French
| Alistair
| Similar to his English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Italian
| Onion
| Same as his Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 어니언 ''Onion''
| Transcription of his Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 歐尼奧 / 欧尼奥 ''Ōuní'ào''
| Transcription of his Japanese name and 奧 / 奥 ''ào'' (mysterious, obscure)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 歐尼奧 ''Āunèih'ou''
| Transcription of his Japanese name and 奧 ''ou'' (mysterious, obscure)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Russian
| Аллистер ''Allister''
| Transcription of his English name
|}

==References==
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2020-07-25T20:55:58Z

Vulcanos: /* Quotes */ Added Potbottom Desert encounter.

Allister

2020-07-01T00:56:26Z

Vulcanos: /* Quotes */ Added dialogue for Challenge Road encounter.

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2020-06-28T19:56:15Z

Vulcanos: /* Quotes */ Added a bunch of text from the base game and the Isle of Armor encounters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Z858RI7_w was what I used as reference.

User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3

2016-11-06T18:50:25Z

Vulcanos: /* Malva & The Ambiguity of Death */ new section

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)

== How do I archieve? ==

I see you just archieved your talk page. I'm feeling my talk page has grown over the years to a size I feel like is more than enough long. Can I just do it on my own like you did with your talk page just now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, all you have to do is move it [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|more or less]] wherever you want (with the tab at the top of the page). Make sure to link the archive on your new talk page, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll do that when I get the chance. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Cosplay Pikachu ==
Tiddlywinks: To change costumes all you have to do is talk to the lady... That is already written. Sory I am new and still learning[[User:Tripplekittys|Tripplekittys]] ([[User talk:Tripplekittys|talk]]) 22:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just wanted to thank you for your hard work with the e-Reader information for Colosseum. I've been trying to get a hold of that information for a long time and you managed to collect quite a substantial amount. So again, thanks! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Nmurthy}} deserves much of the credit for being the first to [[User talk:Nmurthy#Colosseum e Cards|find]] the most recent information and start adding it here. I'm hoping I'll be able to contact the video's uploader, though, and maybe add even more info eventually. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

== Talk: Starter Pokémon ==

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Tiddlywinks,

I feel this trivia fact in the anime is important and should not be deleted please.

*{{p|Charmander}} is the only Kanto starter that was not obtained or caught by May.

May only got Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but not Charmander. She does have a Fire-starter, but it is from "Hoenn" not Kanto.
:Three Pokemon is a small group, and two is a small number. It borders on coincidence. But honestly, I don't generally bother with the anime so maybe I've got the wrong perspective and others might feel different if you bring it up on the Starter Pokemon talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
It might make a great trivia fact. Ash caught all the Kanto starters, but May only caught two of them. Soot yourself if you don't appreciate it. (Others would probably realize this too.)
:Tiddlywinks is right, three Pokémon is too small of a group. So your trivia is unnotable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== Traps ==

I am not sure on the exact percents as I didn't dig up the info myself (as I've said on my talk page). I did check other things on my own, and for example there are indeed natural Spiked Tiles in [[Solar Cave]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:Well, it doesn't look like the writer for the FAQ you linked explicitly said whether they got their numbers directly from the game or from lots of experimenting. I don't really mind practical estimations myself; my concern is just, if that's what they are (instead of ideal values), it should probably be noted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
::I'll edit the pages appropiately. And use your template as it's far more {{tt|convenient|I just used what was on pages for Explorers' dungeons (as these games have traps way earlier so there were some already)}}. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon Manga Location ==

Hi, you previously removed my addition to the Location part of [[PS001]] saying that the infobo wasn't meant for more than one information.

Alot of other chapters such as [[PS002]] contains more than one. I'm lost. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 23:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, that's partly my bad, then.
:There's still a couple issues with what you were trying to add, though. First and foremost, as a guideline, how about we generally try to stick to places we actually have pages for on this wiki? (I.e., not "West part of Pallet Town's Forest".) Second, checking the summary, it really doesn't sound like Oak's Lab features at all prominently in PS001; so that's probably a reason against adding Oak's Lab there too. Also, while I do notice that [[PS005]] includes the Gym as a location, other chapters like [[PS014]] don't include [[Pokémon Tower]] and such; you can argue they should, but I would suggest this: most often, it's not really necessary to include locations within a town (like Oak's Lab) if that town is already given as the location.
:Feel free to ask any other questions. I'm totally capable of being wrong or underinformed, so I'd be happy to hear if you see anything else that seems to contradict what I've said. Honestly, one of the {{bp|Project Manga}} contacts may be a better person to try to talk to if you want more confident answers. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

::I totally understand that places that don't have a page are irrelavant, that's sorted out for me now. But for your exemple with Oak's Lab, even though it is IN Pallet Town, this is still a well-known and important place to be in the Pokémon game. But that's not my question, no, it's rather as you said, Oak's Lab is not the main place in which the chapter takes place, but at the end (2 pages or so) of the chapter, Red is outside of Oak's Lab and we can very clearly see that it is his lab since there's a sign and all that.

::As you said, you might not be the best person to argue something like that since it's manga-related, but where should we draw the line? Is knocking at the door of a building before entering it counts as being a location, or does the character needs to be INSIDE of that location? Thanks for your fast and elaborate replies ! It's really appreciated. :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to be clear, I'll reiterate first: I don't really think Oak's Lab ''should'' be in the infobox at any point. Pallet Town is pretty much good enough, and the summary arguably suffices otherwise.
:::As for where the line might be: as a bare minimum, if a place isn't entered, it doesn't belong in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

:::: Gotcha! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

== Content removed ==

I had a couple of questions regarding my removed additions.

*In [[Interviewers]], you said ''"Please don't use "you". Also, quotes are for individuals, not Trainer classes"''
**I won't be using first person from now on, I will be using 3rd person. Thanks for the tip.
**I agree with you on the fact that it should be for individuals, not for trainer class, but this one's tricky, since in every game, the interviewers are only 2 persons that stick together, so if you mention the game, you automatically know which trainer we are talking about. So what are the option here? I am seeing three:
***We make an exception for this trainer class since, as I mentionned, they're unique in every game.
***We make an exclusive page for each character and include their quotes in it.
***We add to the trainer list their quotes from talking and initiating, winning or losing a fight.

*In [[Player's House]] you said ''"Please stick to the 3rd person (not "we"). And that's not unique to ORAS"''
**As said previously, I will stick to the 3rd person. But can I still add this information?
**Texts on Player's Houses signs aren't always written the same way even though they are very similar, should we put a table stating what every sign mentions for every generation?

Thanks again! :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:As for interviewers... Firstly, I'll note that we do have pages for [[Gabby and Ty]] and [[Roxy and Oli]]. But, secondly, it's really not ''guaranteed'' that any "interview" is conducted by those people unless that is explicitly conveyed. There's no reason other people can't have jobs as interviewers. (And thirdly, a "report" really isn't guaranteed to be conducted by "interviewers" either.)
:For the house, I kind of think the sign is pretty trivial (and I don't mean that it belongs under Trivia). More, the differences between the signs are ''really'' trivial I think. If the sign would warrant any mention, it would be as part of the intro, not multiple times for each section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

::You're right, I haven't thought about the fact that others may be interviewers. For the next point, the game itself says that it's more than one ("we") interviewers than speak since it's written as so: ''"Interviewer: (text)"'' so it's probably them, but as you said, it's not guaranteed. As for the signs, yeah, it's pretty trivial, but it's still a part of the game's text/lore. Well, it's up to you, I'll stop mentionning it if it's that trivial. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Quotes Mark. Why or Why not? ==

You recently removed the quotes on my TV shows' titles. Why is that so? I didn't quite understand the thing about the Teachy TV. As for the quotes themselves, the game uses them, shouldn't we use them too? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:Where does the game use them? I only noticed them in the quotes for one of the shows you were adding, and at least one other didn't have them. While on the other hand, none of the other sections except Teachy TV had quotes either. (Teachy TV is a little weird, so I won't say it definitely should or shouldn't use quotes.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, in fact, 3 out of the 6 shows I'm adding uses them. Considering Nadia Reports is not the official name. It's 3/5.
::They are:
::*KOUKAN TALK
::*ThePokémon Whisperer,
::*What's that?
::[[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, the headers for the Unova shows (including its Koukan Talk) didn't have quotes either.
:::The simple answer, though, is that it's just a special, applied format... Like how APA insists you underline or italicize shows or songs or whatever. But that's just in bulk text, really; that doesn't mean we ''must'' do the same thing in the section headers, it's just a very different context.
:::Side question: can you tell me why you chose to title the one section as Nadia Reports? In short, is that totally invented by you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::::No, I took it from the Kalos Shows list. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::OK. Someone should look into whether that's really the best title... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== trainer tips layout ==

Want me to reproduce the layout as in ORAS? I skip a line everytime the game does, is that it? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:I already did. But like I said, there needs to be an actual ORAS format for that template first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, if you corrected the format, why do you keep it hidden? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Because the Emerald format does not work properly with the ORAS text (and, again, there's no ORAS format currently). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Ooohh, that's what you meant! Sorry! Now I understand. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trying to delete discussion on main page ==

i am currently unable to delete the post I started on the main page. I want to delete it because I shouldn't have started a post out of "anger". Once again, I''m sorry. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, well, that's better than what I thought it was, you trying to remove all comments after your first. =P As I did say on your talk page, though, talk page comments usually are not allowed to be removed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::I knew you were gonna think I was trying to remove your comments... That stressed me out meanwhile I was struggling on my iPad, I really, really, don't mean harm to the website, nor do I want people to think I am a cheater, only wanted to delete my bad move. (Feeling bad about the fact that might start to get annoyed by all the trouble I've put you through, once again, gomen!) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm just fine, but thanks. =) All I can really tell you is, if it at all deserves removing, I'm sure someone higher up will do it. (But I wouldn't count on it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::A huge thank you for being so patient with me ^^ is this a good place for discussing what I was saying earlier? I would want to keep improving plots' quality. As for the Professor Oak thing, I wasn't so sure about that, you might be right, I just thought "Oak" was too... Hm.. Friendly, I guess? Anyways, as for the collective nouns, are those okay? Should they be considered 3rd person singular as I said or ..? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Basically, I'd advise just leaving the collective nouns alone. IMO either way can be valid—I can even change my mind from one moment to the next. Like I kind of think ''"Team Rocket overhear Clemont and Bonnie talking about Snover and decide to take revenge on Abomasnow"'' is better than "overhears"/"decides", but then I think ''"Elsewhere, Team Rocket have also followed the group to the snowy mountains"'' is not as good as "has".
:::::The other thing you mentioned, ''"Red sends out Poliwhirl and uses Water Gun"'', is not a wording I really have much problem with personally. And to be nitpicky, "makes him use Water Gun" isn't a great-sounding alternative IMO. Because, on the one hand, the Trainer ''is'' making the decisions; and on the other, it kind of gets awkward if you'd always have to say "makes [it] use". There may still be ways around both issues (like ''"Jessie sends out Gourgeist to attack with Shadow Ball and Seed Bomb"''), but the best thing in the end may just be to get used to it (which of course is entirely up to you and your "conscience", so to speak). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::After a quick research, I have come with some more information concerning collective nouns, well explained on this page: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/Collective-Nouns.html
In short: a team, for instance is always one thing, but it appears like I was part wrong, since when it acts as a whole, it's singular, and when it acts as individuals, it's plural.
Examples:
*Team Rocket IS looking for somewhere to hide.
*Team Rocket ARE taking care of THEIR Pokémon. (Jessy for Ekans and James for Koffing for instance)

My "<trainer> makes <pokemon> uses <move>" phrasing is not that good I admit, but we should find a better way to do so, since even if it's minor. Let's say Ash asks Bulbasaur to tackle Blue. Is Ash tackling Blue? No, Bulbasaur is, on Ash's order.

Anyway, these are little details that are worth looking up in official sources since, if we want to build a real, good encyclopedia, our grammar/wording must be top-notch! ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature ==

"I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears?": Is it possible to do that?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Click the preferences link at the top of any page. The third box should be for your signature, and if you enter <code><nowiki>[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]])</nowiki></code> in the new signature box, I think that'd make your signature appear like you want.
:On a side note, it's usually best to reply to someone's original comment directly (like mine on your talk page) instead of starting a brand new comment on their talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for updating the Genesect article. I just found a source that sites the code life. Do you think a source for the events should be provided?
[[User:Blado|Blado]] ([[User talk:Blado|talk]]) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:If you follow the event link, there is a link to Bulbanews article and links to the 20th anniversary site. I suspect that's the sort of source you were thinking of? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Number of badges needed ==

So, if I know that it's not 1, what should we put? Since writing 1 is a lie/mistake. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 21:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:Put 2 if that's right. Or 3 if that is. Or 4, or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. You can take the time to figure it out. "?" is just a bit too odd.
:(FWIW, you may also want to check the shops just before you get a Badge, just to see if there was maybe something in between that actually changed it and you don't mistake that for a Badge.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::Is there a way to improve this template? Like, if I change something on it, I need to change it for ALL the shops in Hoenn Gen 6 which is like for every city... Can't we just make a template already filled up with the good info and simply add it to every page we need it? As a programmer, that seems more logical to me, that makes your code (wiki) more DRY (don't repeat yourself). [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Basically, no, it's easier to just change every page.
:::Strictly speaking, it probably could be done, but I'm pretty sure the cons will outweigh the pros. ("Pretty sure" in part because it depends on how exactly you want to implement it. And also because I'm not an expert on how templates burden a wiki; I just know they do to an extent/at a certain point. You unfortunately can't do everything with a wiki you might like to with a custom program.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, I don't know about the burden (but to me, one instance is less heavy than many) but I know enough about wiki templates that I know this can be done, and as you said, except for the burdening (which may even be smaller imo). All you have to do is create the template already filled, and then add it where you want, when you change the original, they all change, so much more ergonomic and easy-to-use. Who are the ones who decide the template stuff? I would like to discuss that with them. ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, I can tell you that when a template needs to be improved, one of the first things that gets done is to manually substitute any nested template calls. It has to do with {{wp|Wikipedia:Template limits#Nested transclusions|this}} sort of thing and everything that's on that page I think. So a template that's just a thin wrapper for another template probably won't exactly be appreciated.
:::::But if you really want, sure, I can try to direct you to someone else...? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Consistency on Route 110 ==

In the game, they appear in this order : Plusle on the left and Minun on the right.

(It's a 2v2 battle) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:1) In a battle, Trainers face each other. So your left Pokemon (which is your first) is not opposite their "left"/first Pokemon.
:2) The game also says, "sent out ''Plusle and Minun''", not Minun and Plusle. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, right! You never stop to be right don't you? ahah [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Paradoxically, the secret is to never trust that you are. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, you see, I try to be humble about everything and accepting what others tell me, like, the first time I joined the wiki, I didn't understand your way of doing things. But now that I more or less understood, I try to verify every sources and accept other's arguments. (although, you saw that I love arguing) :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

== Deleted shop ==

I know it was already mentionned that there were move tutors, but I think we should still make a section for the shop that does so instead of all putting in move tutors. (Talking about [[Mauville City]]) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 14:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:You hardly added anything with those shop sections. The Ultimate Move Shop is the one exception, but only barely. Ultimately, you were pretty much only adding the signs for each shop. And that's not nearly enough justification for making entirely new sections on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, there was content to add, simply I didn't go in depth. I was planning to do that later. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You still shouldn't duplicate/overlap the move tutors section. Didn't you say it before: D.R.Y. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Gekkoga ==
You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D

Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:There's not really anything I could quote you from the top of my head. Though if you have ever read/watched ninja stories, the ninjas are said to move "with the moonlight". Almost all of their most dangerous missions are on nights that have either a "full moon" or a "crescent moon". Sorry, can't really quote you anything from the top of my head. Also, the "moonlight" implies "night", which is "darkness", from which Greninja's Dark-Type comes.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 20:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Quotes ==

Hey, I would like to start doing exactly what I'm doing for ORAS, but this time, for PMD Blue Team. What would be the best way to document quotes and such?

Shall I create a page for every notable NPC in the game?

[[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 17:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:You'll either have to look through {{cat|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon characters}} to find some examples or just ask someone who deals more with PMD. Outside the core games, I've pretty much only played games that can connect with them (Ranger, Colo/XD). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::I already looked aat these lists, but the problem is that they are just a bunch of Names and Description more or less. I was thinking about creating pages for every one. Just like I saw for ORAS, I would try to "mimic" the way it's done. So if anything's wrong, you can always help me improve it. What do you think? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 18:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm saying I don't really have the first clue. It'd be easier for you to just try to ask either someone who's more familiar with PMD or else who takes more responsibility for "Games" as a whole. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature. ==

"Jdogno4, your signature is appearing with "--" at the beginning because you are clicking the signature button, which inserts --[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC).": I get that. "However, this is in no way forcing you to save your posts with that "--" before your signature.": I get that as well. "You may either delete the "--" before your signature before you save your post, resulting in only [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC), or you may forego the signature button entirely and simply type [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC) at the end of your posts manually.": I suppose I am trying to avoid deleting the "[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)" when I remove the "--". There is less chance of that once the signature is stamped.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== upload please ==

I am currently making Hazel's Pikachu page. I need this image to be uploaded:

http://i.imgur.com/4OZvoGr.jpg

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I'd suggest just focusing on making the page in your userspace for now so it can be determined whether it's notable for the mainspace. Until then, it's not too important whether it has a picture or not. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== About the six month old discussion ==

Hey hello,

You removed my question with the message that I should refrain from commenting on six months old discussions. Sorry about that, I thought it was still appropriate.

Do you think I should add a new section next time or do I have to do something different?
Editing Wiki's isn't really my speciality, but please let me know! :)

Kind regards,
[[User:MistrX|MistrX]] ([[User talk:MistrX|talk]]) 20:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:If you have a new question or something (or a different angle, or whatever), then yes, it would be preferred if you just started a new section. For more information, check out our {{bp|talk page policy}} (the part about old discussions is specifically under talk page etiquette). =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== New template? (again, I know) ==

So, I had another idea of template for the wiki, and since you're the latest online and the one I'm more "familiar" with (I'm sorry by the way hehe), I thought I'd show it to you.

So, basically, it is a template intended to go on the top of pages to make sort of a summary of the item/page with the quote of someone in game.

Just look at the [[User:MannedTooth/HeadQuote|template]] itself, you'll understand.

Let me know what you think, being in computer sciences, I dig making templates! :3 [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think it really works for me (not talking technically). I tried your default on the [[Pokédex]] page, and IMO it just comes off too casual for what the wiki is generally aiming for... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:11, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, it's kinda just intended to be a light and concise summary without going into details. I got this idea from the Don't Starve Wikia (ex: http://dont-starve-game.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Gem ) and I thought it was pretty sweet. But if it doesn't go with the wiki's goal, I'll just forget about it. Do you have any template ideas? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:16, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I can't think of anything off the top of my head. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== The Preview Botton ==

My bad! I was doing it at night and I had to stop to focus on other things, but yeah, won't happen again :) --[[User:LHakaLH|LHakaLH]] ([[User talk:LHakaLH|talk]]) 20:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== I wasn't sure :P ==

As I said in my edit summary, I thought that this was the name of the guy that was playing. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 03:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

== Upload please :P ==

Can you upload this? If you can, I'll have more.

[http://i.imgur.com/jbLhVi5.png]

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:That doesn't look like great quality to me. I'd suggest either checking it with {{u|Maverick Nate}} or bringing it up directly at the Archives. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::What about this? [http://i.imgur.com/YftrEcw.jpg] [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::We already have the English print. Even if we didn't, we would have no need for it. The only time we'd want card images that aren't Japanese or English is if the card is actually different from those prints (or doesn't exist in them). [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:05, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I know, and it is different. Look carefully, it is in english, and the text is on the right side, basically, the card is flipped from its jap/en version. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, never mind what I just said, only thing different is the langage of the attack on the art. Is that notable? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:15, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That's the same as the Japanese print. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Just to let you know for future reference, MannedTooth, any Korean TCG images must be approved by Maverick Nate before being uploaded. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:42, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll keep that in head, is there any particular reason for this? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Primarily, Maverick Nate heads the TCG effort here on Bulbapedia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

== Prof. Oak and Birch ==

I thought that misspellings and other issues were ok to place in the Trivia section of the main article considering the Professor Oak article. Should that Oak example be removed as well or am I mistaken is some part? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't get where there's any misspelling or anything. Feel free to be as elaborate as you want trying to explain it to me =P , because I just can't see anything wrong with it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Here is how the line goes, "Great! I'm sure ''May'll'' be happy to hear that, too." For some reason, the text combines May's name with the word will to create "May'll" for some reason. I had a few issues wording it in the article, so I might not have been clear on what the text displayed. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Are you saying that it is an error? :o [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:03, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"For some reason"? That's a very natural thing in English, contracting "will" like that. Like I said, it doesn't seem to be any problem...
::::Can I ask, do you know what it says for Brendan? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:06, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Contracting with a proper noun is correct? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry MannedTooth, but I'd really like to not have to try to carry on two separate branches of this discussion at the same time. If Super goku and I can resolve the main issue here, then if you still have questions, feel free to bring it up again then, please. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:11, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sorry to Tiddlywinks for causing the issue without checking more into it. Based on what you said and looking at footage, you can use the contraction of the word will with a name. Sorry for the trouble. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== Where is th- Oh... ==

I had to Ctrl+F to find it. :o Isn't that a sign that it's not evident ? xP [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== congratulations ==
Congrats on new rank. :) {{unsigned|Tripplekittys}}
:Thank you. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:43, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== MC Images ==

Why is all the images on [[MC_Sixth_Generation|here]] are linked as sources at the bottom and not uploaded? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:13, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:It is against Bulbapedia policy to copy and ''upload'' images from a website without permission from the website owner or an affiliate. We prefer scans/pictures from our own users. Hence, this is why the aforementioned images are referenced and not uploaded. [[User:SirFinkleBottom|Sir]][[Special:Contributions/SirFinkleBottom|Finkle]][[User talk:SirFinkleBottom|Bottom]] 23:19, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::Even when these come from official sources or that we mention where it comes from? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:25, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I sympathize with that question, MannedTooth, but I'm not 100% certain how strict our policy is in that regard. Certainly official Pokemon.com images are usually OK, but when other companies enter the picture...
:::Going by the style of the pages for previous generations of figures, though, it could also be that it would be preferable to have pictures of the figure including its packaging, and the references are mostly meant as a stopgap measure. (Since {{u|Lady Ariel}} added all of those references, it may also be faster if you simply asked her why she did it like that.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I found that this image [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:KidsVenusaur1.jpg] (for example) is tagged with its website, so can I use images from that website? If I can't, I am willing to upload take pictures on my own, only thing, I am not confirmed on the archives due to a lack of edits; there is nothing to edit, so is there a way to confirm me manually so that I can upload these? I also have plenty of [[Roaring Skies]] cards in english that I would be able to upload in order to replace the japanese that are currently there. If I add pictures/scans, my edits requirement will be met anyway, right? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:33, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::If you think there's nothing to edit, you haven't looked hard enough. Like the saying goes: where there's a will, there's a way. Learn about the Archives and then look around to figure what you can improve.
:::::Also, let me just say this: if you have ''any'' questions about the TCG, direct them to {{u|Maverick Nate}} (or at least anyone but me). I really don't know enough about our TCG effort here (or the TCG in general) to advise on much of anything about it. Nate would definitely be able to give you a definite answer about TCG issues. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::On another note, should the [[Monster Collection]] page be renamed MONCOLLÉ. I'm no expert in this, but according to [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/english/product_release/pdf/p131009_en.pdf this] the official name and logo has changed to MONCOLLÉ. If not, it should at least be mentioned. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:11, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Suggested. It will receive consideration in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Thought I would answer the question about those references on the page. They are meant to be sources for the release date of the figures (and if you look closely at the links, not all of them actually link to a page with a picture of the figure), but it just happens most of the links also include a picture of the figure. '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 21:01, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Mystery dungeon items ==

Hey why not link TMs and HMs in this template to [[List of TM and HM locations in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] instead? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 14:40, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hm. I'm not sure, maybe. I'll see if any other staff have any thoughts about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

== hitting pokemon ==

what rips of XY images are you talking about that says hit? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:Images for XY (same place I got [[:a:File:ST basic bag.png|File:ST basic bag.png]] from) that I previously received from {{u|Kaphotics}} when I asked about any such resources. I've not seen the link he gave me in public anywhere else, so I'm not sure if it's okay for me to just share that, but you could always ask him about it if you want. The images may also be available to anyone who has a decrypted ROM, scattered around the file structure.
:Beyond that, though, there were still problems with your latest reasoning. Mainly, if, with the 'normal' "poking/prodding", you were referring to when you just tap once on the Pokemon, then that's defintely not "poking/prodding"; that exact same effect happens when you tap away from the Pokemon too. And IMO, there's much more to the "hit" SFX than just a shortened rubbing SFX.
:At any rate, though...it's definitely something we should continue to discuss here or on Amie's talk page (where it'd be easier for random people to join) rather than risk edit warring about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

== User possibly abusing multiple accounts ==

Hello, I believe that the user Lukeno94 is using this account when they already have one. In a comment on "Talk:ROM Hacks" it said something about not being able to access their old account. I'm telling you about this because it's against policies so you or any other admin can decide what should be done.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 18:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

== EXs & Breaks of Fates Collide. ==

Hi, there. I need to clarify something and I didn't want to bother Maverick Nate. Is it okay if I remove all the EXs and BREAKs added today to the english set list for now? Users are always told here to not copy information from other sites, specially PokéBeach. And I'm pretty sure the user who added those cards only did it because he saw the article at PokéBeach. Other than there, I haven't seen that information anywhere else so it can't be properly confirmed. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 22:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:Honestly, the TCG is definitely not my area of expertise. As far as [[Fates Collide (TCG)]] goes, the only judgement I can make is that Nate already visited that page, so either he thought it was okay or he didn't notice. If you were sure it was improperly sourced, though, I'd say go ahead. But in short, it may be best to ask Nate anyway. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:27, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ones revealed via images are ''fine''{{tt|*|I guess. ugh}}. The ones revealed via text on other sites are not and should honestly be removed however, since false information is frequently posted on said sites (I'm pretty sure N kept getting removed because a certain site said it ''wasn't'' a part of the main expansion, which isn't true.) Feel free to remove it. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:50, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks both of you for answering. I was just confused and started wondering if the cards had actually been confirmed somewhere else. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 02:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

==Need a small favor==
Since we both have done some good work for the Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire page, could you come over to my talk page and participate in the recent discussion regarding an edit I had to revert for a noble reason on the ORAS page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

== 'File appearance ==

I wanna be a Glitch {{PK}}{{MN}}. You don't understand. {{unsigned|Scooterscanley}}
:No offense, but if you're just joking, there was no need for this comment. (I only mention this because you [[Special:Diff/2413158|just previously]] made another idle comment. I just want you to understand that talk pages are meant for ''improving'' the wiki.)
:If you're not joking: categories are reserved for pages that ''belong'' there. User pages only belong in categories like {{cat|User groups}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:21, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
ALSO: Any advice for TMs/HMs? Whenever I preview my profile page, all it displays is all the text I've entered. [[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 18:22, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:Your header and footer only have one "}" at the end; it should be two ("}}"). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:45, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ah. Also, why does it say "Character for Old man glitch", and why is the Johto Guard Glitch/Time Capsule Exploit excluded?[[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 19:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:::I would guess the Old man glitch part is the same as the Mew special stat thing, it's what you need to get that glitch 'mon using that glitch. The Time Capsule exploit part that's in the regular GlitchPkmnInfobox template isn't there simply because that template was updated after the Nocat version was split off. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== re. Fury Swipes ==

I made the change because as it stands, it's implying that three and only three hits is the most probable outcome, which is not true: it has the same probability as two hits at 37.5% each. It means to say that three or more hits is likely (37.5% + 12.5% + 12.5% for a 62.5% chance of three plus hits). This yields an above average likelihood that the power yield will be 18 × 3 or more, resting on an average power of 54.

I'm not sure what is confusing about this, especially given the ''current'' wording. [[User:DKqwerty|DKqwerty]] ([[User talk:DKqwerty|talk]]) 19:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:If you performed the move 100 times, you'd likely get 300 hits. That averages to 3 hits every time the move is used. That's what an {{wp|average}} usually is, an {{wp|arithmetic mean}}. You're talking about {{wp|mode (statistics)|mode}}. The current wording is perfectly correct and/or adequate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== Oddish debut ==

I feel that something is overlooked. It says in [[GDZ25]] that another Trainer owns the Oddish instead of Shu while Shu's page mentioned that he owns the Oddish in that chapter. Can you clarify which chapter is the actual debut for Shu's Oddish? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:58, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:Actually, at the end of the chapter, the unnamed Trainer offers Shu his Oddish as an apology for what it did. I guess I never gave it much thought. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

== Category ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! Just a thought, but to my knowledge there aren't any pages or categories putting all the moves available in Pokémon Conquest in one place. Since there aren't any new moves introduced in Conquest, would it be appropriate to make a category for these moves?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
:That sounds good (and easy, with the move template). I'll just double-check it with other staff real quick and hopefully I can make that happen. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

== Sentences ending with prepositions ==

Hello, you recently reverted an edit made to Gengar's page. Is it really okay to end a sentence with a preposition? My English teacher made it very clear that a sentence should never end with one.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 23:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, it's okay. With all due respect to your teacher(s), that rule just doesn't match normal English discourse. I don't even mean "casual" discourse. I mean, no matter how formal almost anyone is trying to be, there's just ''no'' way they're going to put enough thought into their speech to avoid prepositions at the end of a sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

== I know they're not remakes. ==

My point was, they could've changed it just like the Pikachu minigame thing. The only reason I brought it up was that they left the game corner unchanged, despite gambling laws forcing them to change/remove them in other games. I hope this clears things up. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:The primary problem with what you wrote, sure, was implying that the VC games were remakes. Beyond that, I'm not entirely certain what's rightest, but I lean against it just because "no change" should pretty much be the expectation. One place it'd be more directly relevant/notable, though, is [[Pokémon controversy#Gambling]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Pokémon Infobox ==

Hi, I was just wondering if it would be possible for someone to please edit [[Template:Pokémon Infobox]] to account for the unique names of the [[Form differences|alternate forms]] belonging to {{p|Zygarde}} and {{p|Hoopa}} (similar to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3APok%C3%A9mon_Infobox&type=revision&diff=1978734&oldid=1954090 what was done] for {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Mewtwo}}'s dual [[Mega Evolution]]s); as it is now, the template displays them kind of backwards. I can't edit the template myself as it's protected.

[[User:Xérnéas|Xérnéas]] ([[User talk:Xérnéas|talk]]) 07:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
:It's protected for good reason. A template with such heavy use (and so complicated as well) is not wise for anyone (even staff) to edit freely. It's not the highest priority, but we should get around to it...eventually. We still need to update the hatch time calculation, too. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[User talk:Mygs#Spelling, capitalization, etc|Just a heads up]] ==

I think you might have meant to say "'''Café''' is the proper spelling" instead of "Cafe"--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 04:55, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, I thought I did =P , thanks. I worded that first one differently at first, and then when I came to make it like others I wrote below, I must have screwed it up. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:59, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== help identifying a weird glow in battle ==

Lately I've been encountering a strange ominous red glow on Pokemon in the Battle Spot, and all my attempts to search for the cause leads to incorrect search results and several rule 34 results. I seem to encounter it on Shiny Pokémon a lot. Here is a Vs Recorder of a battle I encountered it, watch the Mismagius.

CU8G-WWWW-WW3S-AMTR

It looks like either eyes or ribbon loops[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

:Further in the battle the same red eyes or ribbon loops appear on a shiny Umbreon [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFLOB_LkEFo [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thank you[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 11:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

== Slowpoke as a Water Bear ==

Nah, that was the right link. I mean, it may look strange but I'm sure they're based (not only psychically) on Water Bears (AKA tardigrades): they have similar body and limbs shapes; Slowpoke, and Slowbro, both have some ursine characteristics (suggesting a pun) and the name Tardigrada itself means "slow stepper".

I'd like to ask you to reconsider this one.
[[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 19:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
:What I see is eight limbs and segmented bodies, and ''mandibles''. And they're miscroscopic. I could go on... They're pretty much nothing like Slowpoke.
:Your pun is fairly abstract. In the absence of any other stronger connections, it just comes off as a stretch to me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

== Help in editing my discussion page ==

I want to clear the content of my discussion (talk) page but a error message came Vandal Filter 3 and asking an administrator to do that. Please help! [[User:Subhraneel|Subhraneel]] ([[User talk:Subhraneel|talk]]) 03:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC)Subhraneel
:Well, in the first place, people aren't really supposed to "remove" a talk page's contents anyway. What we ask users do as an alternative is [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|archive]] their talk page. Try that. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

== Quick question about pkmn template links ==

Should these be actively replaced? Part of the reason I decided to use {{template|pkmn}} (for the Pokémaniac and Tuber pages at least) was because every other Gen VI trainer class page used it in their "Art from"/"Appears in" bits and I wanted to be consistent.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
:I didn't exactly think all that far about it ( ^^; ). I was just thinking I didn't want to leave those changes and thereby "encourage" more use of pkmn for anyone who might see those. But if it's really used so regularly, it'd certainly be best if we could replace it with a proper game template.
:...Assuming I'm not just being "silly" about this distinction. =P I had this idea someone told me not to use "pkmn" before, but it may be I just imagined that (I can't find where that might have been from a brief search). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: New pages/notability ==

Oh, sorry about that. Just thought that since Bulbapedia was a primary place for people to look stuff up, it should have full lists for Battle Maison stuff. I wanted to add the quotes for Trainers since there seemed to be a lot of fascination around those on the web.

And on the topic of keeping up-to-date info (despite almost being Gen VI), can you look at the [[Cute (condition)]], [[Cool (condition)]], [[Beauty (condition)]], [[Clever (condition)]] and [[Tough (condition)]] page? I made fully-working tables updated for ORAS a while ago and left them on each of the discussion pages until the mods decide to update. Thanks. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
: Also, I know you said there was nothing wrong about the Trainers and Pokemon page, but the code is extremely hefty. Editing would be so much less laggy if I could use one template instead of 5ish newlines per entry. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
::For future reference, if someone posts on your talk page, respond there. (If everyone went back and forth, each person's talk page would only be half a conversation. =P ) Conversations should be kept in one place.
::When a page gets to a certain size, it just gets unwieldy, and I don't think templates necessarily help. But how much information have you still not included? Are you still gathering information somehow? (And/or how?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:21, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

== repeated links ==

In [[Route 124]] Surf is linked in items, but it also linked in the right side bar. So it's already linked twice? {{unsigned|EternalDragonX}}
:The infobox can usually be "ignored" for that sort of consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:19, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

== But a Lucky Punch doesn't work on Happiny. ==

Shouldn't this fact just be on Chansey's page? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
:First off, don't put part of your conversation as a discussion title. That's not what a title is for, and it just becomes easy to miss, as well. If you can't think of what you should put, just use the page name where your issue originates (like "Happiny").
:As to your question: It's talking about the family. I think it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

== That Colosseum thing. ==

I don't understand your explanation for removing this:
Also, any Pokémon absent from {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} that are in Colosseum (whether they're catchable or not) were all introduced in Generation II.

To elaborate, the only gen 1 Pokemon trainers used were the ones that were in Ruby & Sapphire (from this list) [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml], such as Zubat, Geodude, and Tentacool. Anything from gen 1 that's not on the list, such as Onix, Porygon, and Snorlax were not used by any trainers.

You said:

It's mostly expected that a pair of games opening a generation lets you catch all the new Pokemon. That only leaves Gen I & II, so the last part is obvious/not notable

I fail to understand what makes it obvious. Can you please elaborate? Thanks. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:You've already excluded Gen I with the start of your point. So it very literally doesn't need saying that any Pokemon not in RS are from Gen II: that's the only (reasonable) possibility! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, I get what you're saying. But just so we're clear, you do understand I'm talking ''about your opponents'' & not the player, right? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what distinction you're trying to make.
:::Also, please use ":"s to indent your responses one space farther in than the previous reply. It should be simple enough to understand if you look at the code here when you reply. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:15, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sorry, force of habit; another wiki I use doesn't enforce it.
::::So you still don't get my explanation, huh? Hmm... Okay, you know how only 200 Pokemon are obtainable in Ruby & Sapphire? (See this [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml] for which ones) Some of the Pokemon from gen 1 couldn't be caught or seen in either game.
::::Now you know how when you see a Pokemon in Colosseum, it gets registered into your [[P★DA]] (like a Pokedex)? Well, let's say you battle every single trainer and snag every Pokemon. Now if you look at your P★DA, the only gen 1 Pokemon you'll find are the ones on that list I gave you. There was no way to get Raticate & such on there until Firered & Leafgreen came out. If you still don't understand, which part(s) don't you get? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::(Reminder: ''Use preview'' and/or use the indent on your ''whole'' response, please.)
:::::I never assumed you were talking about Pokemon traded in from another game. That kind of ''completely'' ruins any point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::Technically I wasn't talking about trading; I only brought up FR/LG because I didn't know how to explain it any better, and I still don't. Also, if we keep indenting, won't it get a little... messy? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::There's nothing "messy" about indentation. What's messy is mixing it back and forth (or not using it at all).
:::::::If you can't understand what you're trying to say well enough, then I'm sorry, but I just can't exert myself too hard to try to understand you in your confusion. As far as I'm concerned, this whole conversation has basically been about Pokemon obtainable ''within'' Colosseum alone. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:45, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, so you still think this is about obtainable Pokemon? That would explain the confusion. I'm not talking about that at all; I'm talking about Pokemon you can battle, but '''can't actually catch'''. For example, Lady Venus has a Steelix & Vileplume but you can't actually get one. However, they still get registered to your P★DA just from battling her. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Then I'm just going to say it's not important. Or too complicated to be important. Obtainable Pokemon? Sure. Just encounters? If it's not ''very'' straightforward (very easy, simple, perhaps "natural" delineations), it's not really worth noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:59, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Okay, well, at least you finally get it. Even if you don't add it, I'm just glad I finally explained myself. Sorry about the whole thing; I'm not always good with words. I'm usually either too specific or too vague. Thanks for talking this through. I hope I wasn't a bother.[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:03, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Battle area templates ==

Thank you for making the battlearea templates. That should help save a lot of memory when editing. I have created a [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-head|header]] and [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-foot|footer]] to go along. They are different, but hopefully an improvement on, what already exists. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 18:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== King's Rock ==
Ooooohhhh right, it doesn't mean Hariyamas are in Mossdeep City! Sorry for the confusion. {{unsigned|UltramanAce3245}}
:That's alright, just glad to clear it up. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

== Pokken Pages ==

Thanks for the advice! If I find some free time soon, I might start up those pages but we'll see. As for your question about the arenas, the only thing different about them other than scenery is shape and size (which can actually have a large impact on the fighting itself). I actually just got the game yesterday so I haven't even unlocked them all yet, haha. The way I see it, either there could be a page for each arena, or just an "Arena" page that lists them out and describes them briefly. Either way, I do think it should be separated from the Pokken page at some point. [[User:Swiftgallade46|Swiftgallade46]] ([[User talk:Swiftgallade46|talk]]) 06:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:And if it'll get split, someone has to start it. =P Someone else could do it tomorrow, perfectly! But we can't really bet on that. If everyone waits, nothing will ever get done! If you decide to start something on a userpage, feel free to make whatever choice you want, an individual arena or a list; we can see what happens. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
::After getting some more information, it might be best to start out trying a list. Just make a section for each arena, with a basic, overall description I guess (and/or whatever you can think of that you think is notable), and then I suppose the bulk of the section would be taken up by background Pokemon. (If you don't see this before you start a page, though, and you make an individual arena page, no biggie, we can still see what's what and then maybe try starting a list.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

== So what IS an acceptable source? And can you prove it has Flame Body? ==

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20140213193237/http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/moltres

Smogon also states Flame Body. Can you prove which is the correct ability? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
:Smogon's alright.
:It's weird, I tried looking back, and I can't find any good reason it was added. ''We'' said Flame Body in Gen V. Then all of a sudden a "note" is added for Flash Fire recently. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Japanese names ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ3ixRedaa0 Korean Ending], [http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/viewep/1697 Pocketmonsters.net], [https://translate.google.es/#ja/en/%E7%94%B0%E4%B8%AD%E4%B8%80%E7%9C%9F%0A%E5%86%A8%E5%AE%89%E5%A4%A7%E8%B2%B4 Google Translate]. --[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 23:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Miscrediting of anime animation directors ==

Hi, I noticed that the anime episode infoboxes have credited some people wrongly as animation directors (作画監督) when they should have been assistant animation directors (作画監督補佐). I have [[Special:Diff/2430901|corrected]] one such case, but it seems that this may be more common than I think. For example:

*[[XY002]]: 田島瑞穂, 松田真路 and one more person not in the infobox are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY003]]: 堤舞 and 松永香苗 are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY009]]: 岩根雅明 is actually credited as assistant animation director

I looked around and saw one example in [[DP063]] (comparing against [[Anime_staff_by_episode_(DP061-DP070)#DP063]]), which does not have this problem, but then again, this is from a previous series, so I am not sure if it is some guideline/policy introduced with the XY series and want to clarify what the correct way should be, before I go about correcting the other articles. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 12:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:There is another problem when the episode credits the executive animation director (総作画監督) and assistant executive animation directors (総作画監督補佐). The credits screen places these staff on a higher position than animation directors (作画監督), but it is not necessarily reflected in the episode's infobox, where they are all credited as animation directors (作画監督):
:Example in [[XY106]]: 志村泉 and 松永香苗, who served as assistant executive animation directors in that episode, not only are miscredited in the infobox, but are also placed below 岩根雅明 in the infobox. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:59, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
::<s>There is currently no particular policy regarding your question. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)</s>
::The verdict is that only those credited as a plain animation director should be listed as such in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Ok, thank you for the clarification! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 03:27, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::I ran into another edge case on [[SS026]]: there is no animation director listed in the credits, but 総作画監督 is listed (although this is translated to "executive animation director" on Bulbapedia, now I am not sure if the translation is fully correct; the "総" taken in context, could mean either "lead", or "chief"). How should the episode infobox be filled in, in this case? I have added the executive animation directors to the infobox for now. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:10, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That sounds fine to me (if there's no position X in the credits, then the next highest position is appropriate/acceptable), but I'll have to double-check with others to be sure. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Not unique = not notable" ==

You say that a lot, but I'd like to mention a few things:

{{p|Noibat}}
Noibat and its evolution Noivern are the only dual Flying-type Pokémon to have Flying as their primary type.

{{p|Aegislash}}
No other Pokémon has the same [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|type combination]] as Aegislash and its {{p|Honedge|evolutionary}} {{p|Doublade|relatives}}.

[[DP072]]
This episode marks one of the extremely rare instances that Ash ever intentionally hurts a Pokémon, as he kicks J's Drapion in the face in order to escape from its claws.

I could name more examples, but I just want to ask, why are these considered special exceptions? Just out of curiosity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:49, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:Unique to, at most, a single Pokemon family.
:I hardly know the anime, certainly not enough to have any real idea about Ash's habit or lack thereof of abusing Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Well then why isn't the anime thing notable for Porygon2 and Porygon-Z? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what "anime" thing there was for Porygon2/Porygon-Z. There was a Melee thing and there was a TCG thing. (And "not unique = not notable" was only referring to the latter.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:04, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I meant to say ''voice'', not anime. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:07, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That wasn't at all about being unique or not. Like I said in the edit summary, the point was ''contradictory''. We can't keep something contradictory on the page, and since it contradicted itself I wasn't sure what the point was really ''supposed'' to be, so all that was left was pretty much to remove it. If the intended point can be expressed without being contradictory, then it may be possible to judge if it's actually notable. (If you want to try to do that, I'd ask you to do it here in case there are any further questions, just so it doesn't spark multiple edits on that page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::: Strange, I don't recall Z having a voice at all. Maybe I should just return the fact to what it originally was? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
* Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices. This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.
:::::::I'm actually wondering, why does Melee need to be mentioned? Were there other Pokemon who didn't have "audible voices" before Melee who received them in Melee? For that matter, is the whole point ''only'' supposed to be talking about Melee? Are there even 493 Pokemon in Melee—especially with "voices"? If it's not just about Melee, then is an "audible voice" or "voice" different from a [[cry]]? Because I know Porygon2 has a cry—makes a ''sound''—in Gen III and IV at least. The more I think about it, the more I have to wonder if it's not just a bad point, '''period'''... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for not indenting, but it's starting to get cluttered IMO. Anyway, you do understand that a cry and a voice are 2 different things, right? Like how Pikachu uses a voice actor in the anime, but in the games makes a weird noise (cry)? BTW, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx_wE6R8L_E]] Porygon2 is at 2:42ish. 19:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:I see no reason I should have realized that a "voice" is not a "cry". The trivia point is pretty damn confusing if you ask me.
:''Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, all Pokemon that appear '''''in Melee''''' except Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean something else?
:''This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, ''in Melee'', the first 493 Pokemon all appear somewhere, and all but Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean, in some core series game, 492 of the first 493 Pokemon have a "voice"? If the latter: which game(s)?
:I have more questions, but let's try to answer these first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Forget the core Pokemon games. As to your questions:
::*Let's just change it to "Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice, {{tt|period|Leaving this part off the actual page, obviously|?}}."
::*... It means Porygon2 never had a human voice actor in any of the franchise, really, whether it be in the anime or a spin-off game.
::*What was the 3rd question again?
::[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Not notable: too small a group.
:::After looking back through the page's history, I was able to find where the point was [[Special:Diff/1249218|originally added]] and the intent becomes clearer, and that too was actually unnotable for the same reason.
:::The addition of [[Special:Diff/1544697|the latter part]] is also much clearer and is a bit like what you say above. That part is maybe notable... I just don't know if there's any Pokemon beyond the first 493 who doesn't have a "voice". If it's not unique, it's not notable. ''"Porygon2 is the only Pokémon that has never been voiced by a human voice actor"'' would be good (and clear) trivia, ''if'' it's true. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

So just out of curiosity, why doesn't this rule apply to the anime? I see it a lot (ex: this happens again in over say, 500 episodes later) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:First off: I don't really know the anime.
:That said: 500 episodes is pretty long. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::Mind if I chime in here, since that point came up in a potential [[Talk:XY116|trivia point]] before XY116 aired? As Tiddlywinks said, 500 epsidoes is a long time, and according to ForceFire droughts are notable. Not something I personally agree with, but it seems to be the accepted norm for the anime at this point. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:23, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, 718+ Pokemon's a large number. So why does it only have to apply to 1 for it to be trivia as opposed to just 2 or 4? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:50, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm concerned, if you want to argue about the games, we (you and I) can argue about the games. But if you want to argue about the anime, or use the anime to argue about the games, you should find someone more familiar with the anime for that. I can parrot and postulate, but I don't have any real "feel" for the anime. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:03, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Very well. I was just asking out of curiosity anyway. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

== Ice cannot be frozen in any gen ==

https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/engine/battle/core.asm#L7413 
https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/master/battle/effect_commands.asm#L5433 
pokeruby has not yet the info, but if you REALLY want to, I can disassemble the relevant part in Gen 3 real quick. 
I'll make sure to use more meaningful summaries in the future, but you'll have to excuse me for being slightly -annoyed- at having to ask people to not believe Bulbapedia for any old gen related information if the article has not been updated recently, then having people revert my edits because my summaries are "not gonna cut it", while edits like the following one pose no problem, and worse they cause wrong information to be on the wiki for more than a year, and cause a lot of people to take it for true, thus I had ONCE AGAIN to expain to people that NO, they aren't going to freeze my Jynx with Ice Beam, despite whatever is written on Bulbapedia, and that NO the implementation on PS is not wrong. 
[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2225495&oldid=2223367 The wrong info was added by SnorlaxMonster], on December 30th 2014, with the reason "'''Not sure if Ice types can be frozen by Ice-type moves in Gen II and III'''". Now that's a '''completely valid reason''' to make that edit and to add wrong informations, right ? 
So, yeah, I'm a bit pissed right now. If my edit has a bad summary, the edit was still done, and the first thing you should have done is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Froggy25 looking at my contributions] to conclude that I'm "not just confused or something", but that this info was removed because it was incorrect (or at the very least not on a whim), so you wouldn't have to undo my edit. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2431162&oldid=2431159 Also don't mark the undo as a minor edit]. If the "Hide minor edits" is active in a user's watchlist, he won't be able to see it. '''Then''' you could have [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Froggy25 sent me a message] on my talk page to ask the reason of the edit, and tell me to write meaningful summaries. Much better than restoring wrong info on an article, one of the too many that still has incorrect info about old gens that old gen players are trying to correct.
--[[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] ([[User talk:Froggy25|talk]]) 15:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:It's totally understandable if you're annoyed. But don't place the blame on me.
:I do actually know you from your past contributions—but the other day I sure as hell didn't know you from Adam, and some unknown going "Huh?" just ''screams'' "I'M ASSUMING!" Sure, there's various things I ''could'' have checked. But you sure as hell didn't look very trustworthy, and ''I'' sure as hell can't always do everything ''I'' might want to, so no, I really don't think any particular blame is on ''me'' for reverting you. If you want to avoid similar confusion in the future, you know how. I don't claim to be perfect, but something other than "Huh?" can only help.
:In all hope of goodwill, I do look forward to your further contributions. Like I said, I've seen you contribute good things. Just try not to take things too personally and address any confusion with all due civility. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Cite" template from Zelda Wiki ==

I saw that Zelda wiki uses Citations as references for sources as to where does certain information comes from. [http://zeldawiki.org/Moblin#References Example]

I was wondering if we could implement that. I would love to do that. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 19:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think there's much need for something like that. And perhaps you really think it'd be good for us...but the way you've said it here, you just sound like you're on a similar track as some of the other things you've wanted to do before and that's your primary concern—and such a big change isn't likely to happen just to make one person happy. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:55, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::I was just wondering. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 21:01, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== I got a dumb question about the {{bp|code of conduct}}... :P ==

Considering what it basically means, would actually using the phrase "WTF" actually be a violation of the code of conduct? Like I said, it is a kinda dumb question, I guess, but I just started to wonder about that. :P Thank you for your time. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:19, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Code of conduct#What that means]]. It doesn't have to be a bad thing. (I might think, in the majority of situations it might be used, it wouldn't be too bad.) The goal isn't really to avoid "curse words", it's just like it says on the tin: Be nice. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks! ^_^ ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 17:55, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

== About Recruitable Pokémon in Dungeon ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! I noticed your recent edit about the "Recruitable Pokémon" section in Super Mystery Dungeon, and I just thought I'll bring up some discussion into this.

Regrading its notability, I think it is kinda notable since the Pokémon are recruited at different levels and importantly they can come with special moves (e.g. one of the Unown). But if the page was to have all the Pokémon listed as it is now, the page would probably become way to huge. In my opinion, I prefer the table format as it is in [[Connection Orb]], and I think adding the moves/levels into that table would probably be the most logical since it is relevant to Connecting; but the table will become even larger than it is right now (which is already big!). --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks! That is a thought, putting it on [[Connection Orb]] where all the Pokemon are already listed. I've had a few questions I've remained unsure about, though, maybe you could help me out just so I can be sure?
:From what I've gathered, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting, right? And you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games, is that right? Also, ''anyone'' you connect with in the Connection Orb will be recruitable when you go on an expedition (give or take any who are on a "break")?
:I'm actually thinking SMD needs a bit of a rethink overall, re:connections/recruiting...
:As far as I can tell, this connection stuff is basically equivalent to availability for SMD (like [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#In side games]])... I'm thinking the table on Connection Orb only really needs the first four columns, and we should put the info about how to meet and/or connect with a Pokemon on its species page. I also think we should add something like a "Connections" section to all the location pages listing what Pokemon you can connect with there (and how), and maybe what Pokemon you can just meet (basically like the "Pokemon" sections of core series locations; it could even be called "Pokemon" maybe). On a dungeon page, it could say what mission (that can be done at that dungeon) can be completed to connect with a Pokemon, and it could say if any Pokemon can show up as traveling/fainted/fleeing Pokemon. And for [[Serene Village]], it could say how you can talk to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=13m23s Azumarill] in [[Café Connection]] (though I don't know ''how'' random Café Connections are...). I think this would be more appropriate and about as useful as trying to cram all that info into the same page on Connection Orb (which we really don't generally do).
:I have thoughts of mocking up a few pages (and templates) to demonstrate the idea. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

::Firstly, yes, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting. And yes, you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games. Not sure what you mean by your 3rd question but you can use any members you have connected with on a mission. I'm only very early in the game though...
::And I think all your ideas sound great and practical! :)--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks! I hate the idea of asking something burdensome of you, but it'd be great if you could keep track of what missions are at what dungeons as you play, and what Pokemon connect after completing them (since most of that isn't even filled in on Connection Orb table). When there's [[Template:PSMD locations|still whole dungeons]] without pages, I don't hold out a lot of hope that there'll be people jumping at the opportunity to fill out connection details if we add such sections. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:03, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sure thing! I was already sort of keeping track, but as you can tell I'll be going pretty slowly because of other commitments. But better late and never. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 05:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, that's totally fine! I may put some time into browsing some playthrough videos for that sort of data too, but I kind of expect it'll be hard to get complete data for some/many places by that. It'll be good if there's someone who can keep better track. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Non-significant "error" on [[XY114]] ==

Hi, I wonder if you could take some time to take a look at [[Talk:XY115]]? I don't think [[Special:Diff/2429091|this error]] that was added into the article is really what we can consider an "error", but more of a technical limitation due to resolution. I [[Special:Diff/2434833|removed]] one part that was obviously false, but the rest of the statement doesn't seem right, too. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:59, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know whether it should be called a techinical limitation or what, but I kind of agree with you: it's just too far away for me to personally care about calling any of those things "errors". However, I'm really not very familiar with the anime or anything, so it would probably be best if you asked someone who is about this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:55, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::Right, thank you! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Web accessibility ==

Hello

Have you ever heard of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_accessibility web accessibility] ? If not, I recommend you to read [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility this] and, especially, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial that].

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Adventures_omnibus_volumes&diff=2435686&oldid=2435678 By undoing some of my changes], I think you are not very nice to impaired persons. [[User:Ju gatsu mikka|Ju gatsu mikka]] ([[User talk:Ju gatsu mikka|talk]]) 17:01, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
:I essentially reverted it because it's just not how we've done ''any'' table here (AFAIK). I will bring up the considerations you suggest with other staff members. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

== That error you undid. ==

Basically, Meowth is apparently a wild Pokemon, because in other episodes (like where he's supposedly fired from Team Rocket), he's been hit with a Pokeball and sucked inside, although it breaks out. But in that episode, it doesn't. You see what I'm saying?

PS: How am I supposed to know if it's a redirect? I can't tell it apart from the real one. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:43, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
:The Poke Ball was originally thrown at Kabutops and then deflected/rejected. As far as I'm concerned, that means it doesn't ''have'' to "activate" when it hits Meowth. If there's any particular reason to think otherwise, please let me know.
:Visit both of these links: [[Pokeball]] and [[Poké Ball]]. If you compare them both, you can easily see the difference. Specifically, look right under the article title. It says. If you just follow the links you're making, you can easily check if it's a redirect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:55, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

== Connection ==
Hey Tiddlywinks. Just wanted to note a few things before you make any changes to SMD related pages. I was comparing my missions with youtube videos, and I noticed a few differences.
*The location of the mission can differ (e.g. Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). I think the locations may be fixed to certain limited locations since mine was the same as one of them, and not all locations are open at the start. This means that the idea of putting which Pokemon can be connected with on specific location pages might not work.
However, things that do appear fixed:
*The type of mission
*The reward after a mission (I don't know if you want to include this info to wherever the mission info will be moved to)
*The difficulty of the mission (I don't know if you want to include this info somewhere too)

Also what do you mean by "set 3 contains 809 Pokémon" on the Connection Orb page?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
:Awesome, thanks for finding that and letting me know! If you might be up for experimenting, maybe you could see if there's any way to soft-reset and change where a Pokemon's mission is set. (Maybe you have to soft-reset to before their mission-posting requirement has been met.) It'd be really interesting to know how many locations most missions are limited to (especially if all the dungeons have been unlocked), just a few or a lot (or ''any'') or what? If it's a lot, it may indeed be less useful to try to list a dungeon's missions...
:I took 809 from a quick look at a number I already had from a step in my process, not realizing that it was actually something like the total number of Pokemon in the first two rows of the table, instead of just the number of individual rows/"nodes". I completely spaced on how big the number I was writing actually was. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:14, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

== How was that too specific? (Pikachu) ==

Pikachu is the only Pokémon to have 2 of its base stats increased in [[Generation VI]]. Specifically, its Defense and Sp. Def

If it's the last part, why didn't you just delete it? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:I was thinking...stuff? I've re-added and reworded it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks. One more thing, over here on the ability page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ability_variations&curid=119361&diff=2442103&oldid=2439797]. Please tell me you I'm misunderstanding that last part. >_> [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:52, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::What? (I don't understand.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
(and no one else "matters")
::::(Sorry for not indenting; I can't seem to do it with the box) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:24, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::That doesn't tell me what you're misunderstanding...
:::::If some random site says they were variations or something, that's completely irrelevant to our page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::I was interpreting it as you meant nobody matters except you. And I didn't get the info from any site or anywhere else; I've noticed the connection years ago; I only said it was removed for consistency purposes. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:35, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I wrote "''us''"...
:::::::Overcoat wasn't removed. No one removed anything. That table didn't exist until you put it there, just as it appears now (''without'' Overcoat). Even if it had been removed at some point, ''saying'' it was "removed" wouldn't be the way to note it. (No one cares. We only describe the end result, not someone saying, "Hey, this needed to be removed.") [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::My apologies; I just assumed from [[move variations]] (like [[move variations#Blizzard|Blizzard]]) that it was the same type of thing. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It is. But if you saw an example on move variations, it would have been much less confusing if you had copied that example better. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah, I don't know why I didn't mention it sooner. Sorry I bothered you. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

== Re:[[Bewitching Tunnel]] ==

The latter. It was not acceptable? [[User:S U O M I|S U O M I]] ([[User talk:S U O M I|talk]]) 12:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, generally, our convention is that a page starts with its official English name, but if we only know the official Japanese name, then we only include the Japanese parts at the beginning. (For example, see [[M19]], which has not been released outside of Japan yet.) It may be more convenient sometimes to use the translation/unofficial name in the text afterwards (and for the page title), but it's intended that someone eventually figure out the official English name, and putting the unofficial name there just confuses that.
:Also, for future reference, please try to keep conversations in one place rather than moving back and forth between different talk pages. Thanks. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

==Need your help with something==
A little trick I've been noticing on X and Y is that if in one of the areas where one of the "electric mice" (Pikuchu, Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, Emolga, and Dedenne) appears and if one of them (or Pichu or Raichu) is at the front of your party then they appear in a battle more often (I've did a recent check and found they kept appearing most of the time when Raichu was at the front of my party, in fact it helped me make it easier to get a Light Ball from Pikachu). I need a second opinion on this, and how to best approach this situation, as I don't know if this was intended or a simple game glitch (nor will I resort to speculation). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Have you tested it thoroughly with all of the "electric mice"? It sounds like it's just {{a|Static}}, but Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, and Dedenne don't have Static. If this doesn't actually work with them, then yeah, it's probably Static, but otherwise, you'd want to test other things. Like can they draw ''any'' Electric-type, or just fellow mice? Can ''any'' Electric-type draw the mice/Electric-types? And it's always nice if you can give some hard numbers too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, Static. But anyway have a nice day. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:50, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

==FireRed and LeafGreen page==
When you have a chance could you go over the FireRed and LeafGreen and make any relevant changes to improve its quality. While it may have been the banned user SatoMew2 that originally posted the cleanup tags, I think if someone can improve quality then it can warrant the need to remove those tags and since you are better at sentence structure than I am, I think you can do a better a job when you have the time seeing how we both worked on Omega and Alpha Sapphire's page and you did a good job of improving quality (to which I won't complain as I understand your reasons). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
:I've taken a look at it. I'm trying to focus on other things for a bit, but I'll try to get back to it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Good luck with your other work, and remember as I said above it's no rush in dealing with the changes, since you can do it when you ready. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 16:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== EXP yield changes in Gen VI ==

I thought you might want to know about this because you are working on a modified version of the infobox template in your userspace: there are some Pokémon who have had their experience yields adjusted again in Gen VI. Examples of some species which I have discovered so far are: Pikachu, Raichu, Nidoking, Nidoqueen. The current version of the infobox template only allows for "splitting" of these values between Gen 1-3, Gen 4, and Gen 5. Please consider highlighting this issue further upwards. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:From what I've gathered, you have some experience with 3DS/ROM modding or somesuch. If you would be able to dump various stats for Pokemon from the Gen VI games and link me the output somewhere (like just some file sharing site, or pastebin), I'd be happy to process the info and consider your suggestion.
:If you can dump all sorts of base stats and such beyond just the experience yield (like catch rate, base friendship, exp growth, egg groups, egg cycles, gender ratio, species, color, body type, base exp, EVs, type, height/weight, base stats), that'd be neat too. I ask just because, personally, I'd like to be able to verify the data on our pages if the need arises. I don't know if you'd know where all of those bits of data are, but any you could dump would be great. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Hi, [http://pastebin.com/vCwfgWjf here's the dump]. All of this would not have been possible were it not for the efforts of Kaphotics and those folks at Project Pokemon, so a lot of the credit really goes to them - I only made some modifications to allow for a more complete dump.
::Some notes about the output:
::*Gender ratio corresponds to the table on [[Personality value]]
::*Height/weight are in metric units
::I can't find the location for the body type data; for Species (I assume you meant that bit about whether it is a Fox/Mouse/<whatever> Pokemon?), this text is stored somewhere else in the game data, and I will put up another separate dump later tomorrow. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Cool, thanks! I'll digest that in a while. And I guess Species is probably straightforwardly in the text dumps which have been floating around for long enough already, actually. I kind of just threw out (almost) everything I could think of. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== Your revert on [[Captivate (move)]] ==

I removed that part because it was already addressed in the second statement: "It will fail if the target has the Ability Oblivious, '''is the same gender as the user''', or either or both Pokémon are genderless." Please reconsider your revert. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:19, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
:It certainly should not be reverted. Even if the ''next'' sentence says that it fails if they're opposite genders, that's simply "too late"; mention of such a core requirement should not be deferred like that. On {{m|Attract}}, we certainly wouldn't say that it causes the target to become infatuated, period, and for {{m|Synchronoise}}, we wouldn't say that it damages all adjacent Pokemon, period; and then only in the following sentence mention that, oh, by the way, it doesn't work on [these] Pokemon... That's just not appropriate for these sorts of moves.
:As the section stands, it's hardly terrible; the second sentence is simply listing all the cases where it fails. However, if it's really such a problem for you, what you could do is remove the mention in the second sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

== The nightmare trivia ==

Why did you remove the trivia at [[The Nightmare]]? I do understand that it's already made clear that the Pokémon mentioned in that point is already in the Pokémon encountered section, but what is not clear is that they're connected to happiness. So that's why I think the trivia should stay, so once again why was it removed? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 07:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:In general, I think the point was leaning a bit more subjective than not, and I think it's easy ''enough'' to look at the table and just see, "Yeah...most of those don't look very scary." [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:53, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== About the Item template ==

Hey, I was wondering about the Item template, I've noticed when I was previewing my edit on the [[Seed]] page, I noticed that the <code><nowiki>|sprite3=Seed VI</nowiki></code> was not working. So it made me realize that the Item template is missing a <code><nowiki>{{#if:{{{sprite2|}}}|{{{{#if:{{{mdex|}}}|Md}}bag|{{{sprite3|{{{name|Cancel}}}</nowiki></code> code or something like that. I'm terrible with programming, but like I said earlier, I am willing to learn. Also, I have many models of items that I can upload, if everyone is okay with that. Is it okay if I upload the models of items from Gates to Infinity and Super Mystery Dungeon? —[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 22:02, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know if we necessarily want ''lots'' of sprites in the item templates.
:You've already gotten permission to upload captured 3DS images. If you have any further questions about uploading, you may want to ask someone who's specifically on the Archives staff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== Alola/Melemele Pokédex ==

I noticed you removed my reference to the Melemele Pokédex with the comment "Please, do not assume. It's only been shown in Japanese." Since when are we not allowed to include Japanese names for things that don't have confirmed English names? Unless you're taking issue with me romanizing メレメレ as Melemele, in which case you should know that "melemele" is Hawaiian for yellow. Given that the region is based on Hawaii, "assuming" that メレメレ refers to the Hawaiian word "melemele" is just as reasonable as "assuming" that the パルレ in [[Pokémon Amie]]'s Japanese name refers to the French word "parler". If you really want to be anal about it by all means keep it as "Meremere" for the time being, but I see no reason not to include it just because it's not the English name.--[[User:Siobonbon|Siobonbon]] ([[User talk:Siobonbon|talk]]) 07:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
:First off, please do understand that we do not wish to present (romanized) Japanese names in a way that people might mistake them as official English names for things. In the past, that may have been kind of necessary in our coverage of the core games, since the English might not be fully revealed when the Japanese games were already out; but the core games are currently being released/introduced simultaneously worldwide, so that's not really a problem anymore.
:Otherwise... I kind of took the simplest approach at the time. I feel that waiting isn't ''so'' terrible a thing. (Sure, Melemele/Yellow seems pretty reasonable...but there's always that niggling fear of an alternative you didn't see, especially at this point in the "game".) But on your insistence, I'll take the [[Special:Diff/2455576|middling option]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:14, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

== Trainer's Choice ==

I will acknowledge that much of what I wrote was unnecessary for a concise summation. But I would like to know by what reasoning anything I put down was 'outright wrong.' --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
:For AG052: ''Incorrect; while Torkoal's {{t|Fire}}-Type makes him strong against the {{t|Grass}}-Type Shiftry, Taillow's {{t|Flying}}-Type is both strong against and resists Grass.'' The thing is, Fire also resists Grass. Taillow isn't special in that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, an oversight on my part. Thank you for the clarification. --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:42, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

== I just don't understand ==

Why is it that they tell me to add noteworthy facts, which I did for [[Bibarel]] and [[Combee]], and then have it reverted. I don't get it![[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 19:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:The trivia here is a bit strict compared to ssbwiki, IMO. From experience here (by which, I mean screw-ups), I can tell you one thing: if it applies to more than 1 Pokemon, it's not considered trivia, unless one evolves into the other. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, but I don't really know what to tell you either, Theexploringgamer. It's just a general rule of thumb in our trivia is that a thing should either be unique to a single Pokemon or to a single family. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

== Movesets of CPU-controlled trainer Pokemon ==

Usually, the movesets of Pokemon in trainer encounters are undefined; the game looks at the Pokemon's current level (which is programmed into the trainer encounter data), then "generates" a moveset on the fly corresponding to the last 4 level-up moves that the Pokemon would theoretically learn. Trainer battles with explicitly defined movesets seldomly come by, and seems to be mostly limited to characters relevant to the storyline.

However, there's this Ace Trainer at [[Kiloude City]] which has a custom moveset for his Pokemon. Would it be alright to use {{tl|Party/Single}} for him? [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:16, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:No...I don't think so. He's a one-time battle, and only in one game (pair). He's not really notable and that's what the template is generally meant for. If you'd like, you could leave the moveset in HTML comments by his team perhaps. We have considered a bit the possibility of adding movesets to the Trainer list template, so it may get used. And if not...it'd still be there for other people to find? Actually, at that thought, it might be ''more'' visible on the city's talk page. (Feel free to do either, or both.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:25, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::I will add it to the talk page, then. Looks like Anton is a one-off exception (at least for Gen VI), probably because he somehow decided to use Weezing and its 4 most recent level-up moves at level 65 are... not that stellar. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Plenty of generic Ace Trainers/Veterans have custom movesets in my experience starting in Gen III and IV, as well as almost every trainer in the console side-games. Every trainer with Smeargle in X/Y also has a custom moveset for it. The trainers in Terminus Cave/Victory Road had a bunch of them from what I remember. Sky Battles too, I believe. It's still debatable if it's notable, but it's not really all that rare. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 16:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I completely forgot about all those! I guess it's due to the way the movesets are generated; some Pokemon do not have good level-up movesets for battle at higher levels, too. Perhaps the next pair of games will do something else regarding this. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemaster97's vandal is back. ==

Goes by the name GogglesTheTotodile . I was told this is how I report someone. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:55, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
:There is not strong reason to suspect that user of being a sock or anything at this point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:58, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
::My apologies; I just assumed based on the message similarity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

== Secret Base Representative Trainer Class ==

The information is necessary because it's incorrect otherwise. I spent a good 2 hours trying to get trainer representation to be correct for my program to only find out it takes the first byte and the information on the wiki was incorrect. Modulo 256 will sometimes give a different last digit than just the plain Trainer ID. {{unsigned|Trigger death}}
:You're absolutely right, that's totally my bad. I tried to think if it made a difference and just didn't think in binary right. Sorry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
::No worries. :) And good idea with linking modulo for people who don't know what that means. [[User:Trigger death|Trigger death]] ([[User talk:Trigger death|talk]]) 20:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

== Why not just delete the dead ref? ==

Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=BW050&curid=146215&diff=2462137&oldid=2462136 this]. Why not just delete it? Or replace it with [citation needed]? Just curious. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:13, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:Because (AFAIK) it ''was'' a valid reference. Removing that makes it unsourced and liable to be removed by someone (and even "citation needed" kind of implies the claim was never backed up), and I don't think that's really appropriate if it was valid before.
:I don't think this is a "good" solution. In point of fact, I don't ''know'' a good solution. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:50, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::I see. I did google the link in hopes for an archive somewhere, but said page was literally the only result. I'm sorry that I can't help. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:24, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::Actually, what about an <nowiki>{{outdated}}</nowiki> template? Just explain that the link is dead. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:26, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:::That's not what it's really meant for, and it seems like overkill for a piece of trivia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:11, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

== Birth of Mewtwo link ==

I'm really sorry. I just wanted Bulbapedia to have a copy of at least the script. I couldn't find a decent-looking website that had an english text translation, so I took to YouTube. Which was probably my big mistake. [[User:Ericbazinga|Ericbazinga]] ([[User talk:Ericbazinga|talk]]) 20:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:We don't really need (or possibly want) a whole English translation either. We have plot summaries/synopses for a reason. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:02, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

== SMD Update ==

Hey Tiddlywinks!
Just an update on SMD. I tried resetting to find the locations of the missions, and it appears there are multiple, but not infinite, number of locations for the missions. However, I can never be certain whether I've found all the locations just for that one Pokémon, and doing this for ALL of the Pokémon is too big of a task for me. Plus, the locations may change throughout the story. For example, when the player moves to Lively Town, you get to access more areas. So (I think) it is impossible to find all locations, so I suggest removing the location column from the [[Connection Orb]] page. On top, my computer is not high tech enough to edit that table without significant lag, so I don't know how I'll edit that table using the data I've gleaned so far.

I was also editing the [[Seed]]s article today, but the buy and sell price for Heal Seed in SMD doesn't appear. I don't think I did anything wrong so I'm thinking the table can't support four buy and sell prices at once.

Thanks! --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:18, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:In that case, the thing we may want to be noting for each Pokemon is how you can ''meet'' them. That is, note where they can be found in the overworld or whose mission to complete to automatically be connected to them (or both if a Pokemon can be met either way). So then we could basicallly just let people find the Pokemon, and they can just view their own Connection Orb to see where they need to go for that Pokemon's mission. (The only other thing I think might be nice would be noting if there's a ''requirement'' before a Pokemon will ask you for a mission--supposing they don't offer immediately after being met, or the day after being met or something. But if it's not that, there could also just be some random element to it. IDK.)
:I'll take look at Seeds later on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:28, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, if you tell me what the SMD buy/sell price is, I can add it if I fix it or whatever. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. How you meet them would come under the "Methods" column right (e.g. Chansey gets connected in connection with Rotom after completing Rotom's mission, or Azumarill gets connected when you talk to it at Cafe Connection)? Also, instead of "location", you can have "rewards" as a column. But I'm not sure how important it is because only a small percent of missions give rewards.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Nah, the last three were all supposed to be about connecting, not meeting. The best example for Method is something like Traveling Pokemon; there's still a location, but not exactly a mission.
:::Maybe we can just have two columns (scrapping the current last three entirely), like "Overworld" and "Acquaintances".
:::I'm a little curious about cases like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=14m Azurill]. I wonder if there are any cases where it might, somehow, be possible to ''meet'' a Pokemon like that in the overworld or by an acquaintance connection if you skip the auto-connect Pokemon for a while. That would make things a little interesting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Wowy, could you clarify what you mean by multiple locations for the missions? Are you talking about the Connection Orb requests, Traveling Pokemon, overworld, all of them, or some combination, and what exactly varies? Certain requests simply would not work if they weren't in specific dungeons, and there's data (I can elaborate later if needed) that suggests that Traveling Pokemon (and fleeing/fainted) are locked to specific dungeons after a certain point, though the exact floor they appear on may differ. Non-static Overworld Pokemon do get shuffled around each in-game day, though (early-game Serene Village stuff could have some differences, admittedly).
::::Also, I agree that the everything in the Mission column could fit in the Method one, at the very least. I'm pretty sure that every connection/acquaintance is completely set, and it's not possible to recruit any acquaintance Pokemon separately (and if there was, it would be an oversight and could be noted as such unless more interesting effects happened). I think it could even be reasonable to group Acquaintance Pokemon with the 'main' one to make it more obvious that all of those Pokemon are recruited as a group for doing a specific thing, but it could hurt sortability. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 15:55, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::What do you mean about non-static overworld Pokemon exactly? Are there a bunch of Pokemon that can just have random locations? (I'd kind of figured Pokemon in Cafe Connection might have unique circumstances, but otherwise I would mostly expect most Pokemon to be in just one place... Maybe not story characters, I guess?)
:::::Also, do you mean, for instance, that Azurill isn't even present ''anywhere'' in the overworld? Or Umbreon or Espeon? Or ''anyone'' who's labeled "connection of client" on [[Connection Orb]]? Or what? I'd kind of assumed basically everyone would be somewhere... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, there are many Pokemon who are always found in a set location based on which day of the story it is (or section of the epilogue since you don't have to progress the first parts of that storyline immediately). These include the story-relevant characters, but also many other characters of usually minimal importance. In Serene Village/Lively Town, these ones will usually say something that makes sense to the player/partner, or they're having a conversation with another static villager. In the other towns, there are also Pokemon that are always in the same spot. Though, outside of the story-relevant trip to the Air Continent, I think they more or less say the same things.
::::::Then there are other spots, some scattered around the towns, but also in Cafe Connection (these are always the same locations regardless of the 'day'), that have a random Pokemon from a set list. These include Victini, many starters/evolved starters, Roserade/Gallade, Azumarill (this one might be a special case but I'm not sure), and quite a few more. These random Pokemon include some of the ones who give requests through the Connection Orb, and I believe you can accept the request either through talking to them or through the Connection Orb. If these Pokemon don't have a request/connect with you immediately, they will just tell you a one-liner which never changes. Which Pokemon is in each spot changes every day, for the most part (there were some Pokemon who had uncompleted requests who seemed to stick around in the same spot until I finished it). I'm pretty sure there are a decent amount of non-legendary Pokemon that can never appear in this way. For example, the only letter Unown (memory is fuzzy on ? and ! and they're separate from the others in a few ways) that ever appeared for me in this way are the ones who connect directly with you, and they acquaintance-connect many of the other Unown. Additionally, some of the Rotom formes can be found and talked to in this way before you connect with them (as traveling Pokemon), and won't automatically connect with you in the overworld.
::::::I'm not sure if I ever saw Azurill or Espeon, and I'm pretty sure I never saw Umbreon, but my memory is fuzzy on this. It did take me a while to connect with all the Eeveelutions though, and I only ever recruited them through their requests/as acquaintances/traveling Pokemon. Every overworld Pokemon, static or not, that can be connected just through talking to them almost certainly has some sort of trigger that allows them to be open for connection. For many static Pokemon and the various random starters, that trigger is completing the epilogue's story arc, but many others I'm not so sure about. I hope that was able to clarify some things, it's hard to remember many of the minutiae regarding specific Pokemon. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 00:24, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::The Rotom forms, you mean even if you talk to them they don't get registered as "met" in the Connection Orb? (If you're not sure, do you know/can you tell me where they are in the overworld?)
:::::::Half the reason I only had a place for ''connection'' requirements on [[Connection Orb]] was because it's what was there beforehand; the other half of the reason is that there's already a fair amount of columns. But "meet" requirements are arguably just as important if not more. (It's also worth noting that this stuff should also be on individual Pokemon pages under Game locations. For now, ''both'' meet and connect requirements would be good... That way we can always decide we don't want one or the other.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::No, they do get met, sorry if that was confusing, and whenever I say connected, I mean they become usable in expeditions, which I think is the main thing that matters. Adding a meet requirements column feels needlessly convoluted, since most Pokemon are 'met' through connections anyway, and the rest are quickly found in towns (maybe a list of the Pokemon in the towns could be helpful). Pokemon that have requests (beyond the first one or two for each group from what I remember) will only give those requests if they're adjacent to a Pokemon you're connected to and the dungeon their request is in is able to be visited. Okay, thinking about it, trying to do this in the current table doesn't feel like it's worth it to me, but if it was possible to make some sort of flowchart designating which missions or conditions you might need to do for each particular Pokemon, it could work out, I suppose. That's still something else for the most part though...
::::::::Actually, maybe I'm just misunderstanding? Perhaps a prerequisite column could be okay. For example, you need to reach a certain rank to unlock the dungeon to connect with Articuno, and we would put x Rank in that column. Doing that unlocks the Moltres dungeon, and for Moltres we'd put Articuno in the pre-requisite column there, and so on? [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 01:51, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's anyone you can't '''meet''' by connecting with nearby Pokemon or just by playing through the storyline, who you need to specifically search out and talk to to meet them (who you can ''skip''—even if they're impossible to miss at some point, if you're not absolutely ''required'' to talk to them, you could always skip by them and forget...), then they'd probably need a note—somehow—about where to meet them. ''Maybe'' it wouldn't be worth it for everyone... (I'm still not totally sure, simply because I'm having to rely on others, I don't have the game to experience things for myself.)
:::::::::If the Pokemon with random locations for missions at least always have the same mission, then it might be possible to just say "Random" for the location (if there's ''any'' apparent limit on that, like "on the Air Continent" or Rank X-dungeon or something, it might be worth including that--but not crucial if even that's a lot of work).
:::::::::Ideally, a dungeon's rank requirement should simply be on its page so that (as long as the location is fixed and it's not "Random") people can just click on the link to figure out that sort of prerequisite. And Moltres and Articuno are already noted as having a connection. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:03, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Fair enough, I understand where you're coming from at least. The easiest way to test it would probably be to avoid talking to the non-Ghost Rotom forms and seeing if any of them still appear as traveling Pokemon, since they don't have connections with other Pokemon and don't appear as wild Pokemon to my knowledge (encountering a generic wild Pokemon in a dungeon is another way to 'meet' that Pokemon that I forgot about earlier). At least in my limited experience of a single (rather thorough) playthrough, meeting Pokemon only ever seemed to only be completely cosmetic, but if the Rotom forms don't ever show up in dungeons under those circumstances, I agree that it'd be necessary. We can cross that bridge when we get there, though. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 05:40, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:Oops, didn't see this. Just to answer VioletPumpkin's first question, I was talking specifically about the locations of missions. For a particular mission, there can be several locations where that mission can be held. (For example, Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). These locations aren't totally random, but finding all possible locations for all missions is too hard. Some missions may have set locations, but I can't be certain of that because I haven't gone far enough to confirm. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 23:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Request ==

Hi! I have a request which I hope you will be happy to do. For the [[Connection Orb]] page, will you be happy to split up the table into the different sets (1,2,3... [ignoring any changes that might be made to the table later per discussion above]) so that they each have a separate edit-able section? It's probably not the most sensible thing to do, but the table is way too laggy for me to edit, and probably for other users too, and I'm wanting to edit it as I go along, rather than doing it all in one huge bunch at the end. Unless you can think of another alternative.

Also while I have a staff member's attention, will you be able to change the template for Mystery Dungeon items so that they show up a 4th buy and sell price? It's locked so I can't edit it. Thanks! :) --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 10:57, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:First and foremost, you can always update Game locations data on individual Pokemon pages. And I currently think the table should stay as it is/focus on ''connection'' (as opposed to ''meet'') requirements, with location noted as "Random" if it's not apparently fixed..
:If I have a "big" concern about splitting the table, it's probably that that'd mean 30+ subsections for the tables, which is a bit extreme. (Not terrible, but not so pretty either.)
:(Just to check, when you say it's too laggy, do you mean you can't even get a preview? Or that it takes several/many seconds to preview? If it's the latter (which is what happens for me), that shouldn't be a terrible impediment; just concentrate on filling in the table/code, and only worry about preview sparingly.)
:I'm not entirely satisfied with just adding a 4th price option... Not with the fact that pretty much every MD game seems to have a different price for some items like the Heal Seed (...will that continue forever?), nor with the fact that all those prices are only disambiguated by cumbersome tooltipped notes. I'll try to shop around for any better ideas for those prices, but I can't really think of much myself, so in the end I may just add the 4th price... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:04, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
::What I mean by lag is that I try writing a few words and it takes a whole minute for those words to appear. But I'm going around that problem now by copying it onto a Word document first, and then pasting it back onto the page. The only flaw I know of doing this is that ' appears as ’ when pasted back, so I'll have to change these manually.
::About the item templates, I agree that having 4 price options makes the table look cluttered, but I haven't thought of any other options so far. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 07:00, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I see, I hardly would have imagined a problem like that with mostly just text on a page. =P If you want to solve ' changing to ’ in Word, you could consider using a simpler program like just Notepad or Wordpad. (There might also be some AutoCorrect options under Tools or something that controls that change in Word.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:28, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm hardly even sure what now, but I got caught up in other things and quite forgot about the buy/sell stuff here! I've updated the item template now. Heal Seed on [[Seed]] is working fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:56, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for that! I don't know what will/should happen with future releases though. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 10:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

== The cave on this page is incorrect ==

I am new to this sit and I wanted to help out with a few things. I started to edit things and then you just put them back the way they were. The cave listed in castellia sewers is 100% incorrect. It is not the cave, it is actually the relic passage and the pokemon in the area are listed incorrectly as well in the cave you will find Timburr, Ratatta, Woobat, Onix, and Roggenrola. Somehow the numbers I found for these were incorrect so I was trying to change them to get the correct image to display. If you could help in changing this it would be greatly appreciated. {{unsigned|Digidoggie18}}
:To be clear, are you saying that the "Available Pokemon" table in [[Appendix:Black 2 and White 2 walkthrough/Section 4#Castelia Sewers|this section]] (the first one, with only 3 Pokemon) is incorrect? And are you saying that you are not finding the Pokemon listed in that table while walking in [[:File:Castelia Sewers dry B2W2.png|this area]]? That, when you walk in that area, you find Pokemon like Roggenrola?
:I'm ''pretty'' sure our information is correct, especially if you look at our main pages for those locations ([[Castelia Sewers]] and [[Relic Passage]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:39, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

== Did you seriously just look at my contributions list and revert all my edits on trivia sections? ==

Header says it all. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:36, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
:Great question. If you mean, like, today...no. Anything much earlier...and I really don't remember anything that you might be referring to right now. (At that, in the past month, I've apparently only reverted ONE edit of yours (directly).) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:42, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, just making sure. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:03, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

== Mainspacing ==

I've got [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Nescientist/Niantic,_Inc. an article] in my userspace that I want to see in the mainspace. So, what's the procedure? The article seems very much notable (especially in these days), I believe it's decent, the page is not protected or anything, and if we'd not link to wikipedia all the time, it would be linked to in popular places. So, move it, then link to it? Just to be safe, and just to be sure to waste your time once again. :D [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 07:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for asking! As it happens, mainspacing decisions (and moving and other similar stuff) are generally supposed to be left to staff/the {{bp|Editorial Board}}. I'll bring it to the proper attention. You're right, it is very relevant right now, so hopefully we can sort it out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:32, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks! I thought I read something like that before somewhere, but it seems I was also bad at browsing policy pages. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, believe me, I understand how it can be easy to miss. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

==Need a second opinion==
I was able to get more Mirage Spots later on during one day so I am thinking there might be a 12-hour window before players can get more Mirage Spots for that day on Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Can you help me confirm this? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:21, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:First you probably want to see if you can repeat that a few times in a row. Shouldn't be ''too'' hard. Try it at about 9 AM (or whatever), then 9 PM, then 9 AM again, then 9 PM again. If it seems to work out each time, then that's interesting... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:56, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::To maybe save you some trouble, connecting to the internet in-game (while StreetPass is enabled?) gives you data that's functionally identical to StreetPass data for the random passerbys that appear automatically (giving you Secret Bases, extra Mirage Spots, etc.) on the PSS. This would occasionally happen in the same day, and it seemed to me like this function was on the same 8 hour StreetPass cooldown that would happen if you were to StreetPass another 3DS/relay. The BuzzNav should update when this happens, just so you know. Apologies if this wasn't what you were talking about. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 19:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Actually I did, after it happened the first time, I was able to do it again. If you do it early in the morning, and wait until night you can see those numbers on the BuzzNav. I also did find that in addition to the previous mirage spots, the additional Mirage Spots are also seen. I also saw these reset at the beginning of the next day as well. All that needs to be done is pinpoint how many hours it takes for that little trick to happen before it can be posted in the mainspace. If you can do something like this for yourself it will help you understand this better, so I recommended doing the first part of this in the morning as soon as you can. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding the links on "List of glitch Pokemon" ==

I made them into links so that they would appear on the "wanted pages" list. Are there already articles about those Pokemon? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:58, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:It's a simple description. We don't need any page about ""Egg" with Bulbasaur's model". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::But I really want to know what it is. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:04, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Glitch Pokemon are not at all my specialty, but I don't think there's ''anything'' notable about the Gen VI "glitch Pokemon" for index 000 or 723. If you want to try to make a userpage about it, please feel free.
:::In the meantime, the main point is, ""Egg" with Bulbasaur's model" is simply NOT an appropriate name for some glitch Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Is there a particular reason why the real name isn't on Bublapedia? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::There is no "real name". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Then what is it called when it's forced to exist in the game? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 22:19, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Like I said, I really don't know about glitches. I'm not the right person to ask about this thing. People somewhere like the [http://forums.glitchcity.info/ Glitch City Laboratories forums] probably know more if there's anything to know. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Then why did you revert my edit? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Tell you what. If you make a userpage about the 000-index Pokemon, then we can talk some more. Until then, I'm sorry, but this just isn't going anywhere. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:28, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::If I make such a userpage and add a stub template, will it appear on the list of stubs? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:59, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Make it first. Worry about anything else later. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

== Why did you revert my edit to the glitch types page? ==

If I wasn't supposed to edit the page without reason, for what reason did you revert my edit? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:For being an inappropriate edit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

== New Attack: Highhorse Power ==

Hey, there. Today on Serebii.net, they showed a new attack that Mudsdale used. It is called Highhorse Power and it is a ground-type move. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seasbiscuit2020|talk]]) 21:03, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, this is almost completely unverifiable at the moment. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

== Starting sentences with conjunctions ==

Not at all a Bulbapedia rule, more so a rule of the English Language, albeit a disputed rule, so don't show me a source that contradicts me, as I know full well you could find loads. The point is, sentences begining with conjunctions have no place on a formal website such as this one. You'd perhaps find it where the sentence represents a voice: a blog post or speech within a novel. That particular point of trivia looks sloppy as it is written currently and I, truly, ponder why it is you thought 'Seen as' didn't make for a coherent formal scentence and how you could possibly think it was better to revert the edit. I'll concede that 'Seen as' may not comply with the general style of Bulbapedia trivia, but niether does 'because'. I think an admin should presnt a greater example, and show a better way of fixing the problem, rather than just reverting the edit like a user who began three days ago.

* {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Clefairy}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}}, {{p|Hitmonlee}}, {{p|Hitmonchan}}, {{p|Jynx}}, {{p|Electabuzz}}, and {{p|Magmar}} are all capable of hatcing from {{pkmn|eggs}}, despite this being impossible in any [[main series]] game. These Pokémon's pre-evolved forms were not introduced until [[Generation II]], nor was the [[breeding]] mechanic, while only [[Generation I]] Pokémon are featured in Pokémon GO. This is, likely, the reason for the discrepacy.

This would be a better way to present the trivia, though I'll query the "notability" of the point. I added points of trivia concerning simalur discrepacys regarding Pokémon in Pokémon GO being capable of moves they can not learn in the main series; such as Golem lerning Mud Shot, and Grimer lerning Acid. They were all removed for not being deemed "notable". [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 08:31, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_(grammar)
:I think you're thinking of coordinating conjunctions like "but", as opposed to subordinating conjunctions like "because". They are quite different beasts. (In fact, before your comment here, I wouldn't even have thought to call "because" a conjunction of any sort.) Plenty of the examples the above page gives for subordinating conjunctions are easily used at the start of a sentence, like "As soon as [Ash got home]", "Even if [he lost]", "Until [he won]".
:And "seeing as" (not "seen as") is functionally speaking exactly the same as "because". Anything that can simply substitute for "because" ''must'' function exactly like it (or close enough to make no difference). If it were really that bad, you'd have to restructure the whole sentence, not just substitute something else in for "because".
:But it's perfectly fine as is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Because

:: Have you only addressed the first line of my message? I did "restructure the whole scentence". I won't argue this further; my final piece is that to begin a point of trivia with any subordinating conjunction, be it: 'because', 'as soon as' or 'although' is sloppy and does not give the impression that the pages are written with professionalism and seriousness, [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 09:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't know what that link is supposed to demonstrate.
:::The part about restructuring the whole sentence, I was referring to your original edit, not the option in your comment here.
:::Also... [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=although&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search An 'although' search on Wikipedia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=because a 'because' search]. If you search either of those pages for ". [word]", you'll find plenty of cases where those words start a sentence. The big daddy of wikis doesn't seem to care that much. In fact... Have a gander at {{wp|Wikipedia:Basic copyediting#Things that do not need to be fixed}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

== New move powers in GO ==

So, did you undo my edit in the list primarily because you can't get back the old move powers? If so, does it matter? As I said, it's been official and publicly available, and I believe that's what a wiki should cover. After all, we do, for example, cover glitches that have meanwhile been patched, or websites that are now defunct; and I think we should be. Would Niantic rename Gyms, we would certainly not ''not'' mention they were once called like that, would we? It may not be particularly helpful (on the list), but I didn't add it because I thought it was. I've basically done the asterisks because they're at [[list of moves]] (although I admit there are fewer of those there, at least currently), and the Go list is clearly thought to mirror that somewhat. Would you also disagree to add the changed move powers to the moves' pages, as we do for the core series? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:Half because like I said. Half because asterisk notes are not an ideal way of doing it: they make the reader think there's something "important" there, when (again, since you can't get it back) it's not. Personally, I don't even think an extra column would be worth it. (Not ''worthless'', but far too little worth for the bloat/whatnot.) The nearest solution I've come up with is adding something to the main GO page's Version history.
:If you have to download a patch and it's optional, then arguably we do ''need'' to keep covering it, since some people may still have old versions. (The hypothetical about Gyms, in particular, is pretty different than move powers. Everyone knows a "Gym". Everyone does not know every move's exact power. And a defunct website is also fairly different; it's not a ''changed'' website (which is also different from changed ''move stats'').) But this was changed server-side, so you absolutely can't hold onto it or get it back.
:...I would not, personally, really be happy with tt notes on individual moves' pages about old stats. But you also don't especially need to use tt there; you could just write out that these stats got changed. That's quite fine by me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:19, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::Ok, I only mentioned patches, defunct websites or renaming Gyms (I should've chosen Pokéstops :P) as a great way to illustrate that "you can't get it back" is a weak argument. I'm definitely against an extra column (because that would be half empty?). I'm much more concerned about conformity that about having all info everywhere. And we do have tt's for core series move power changes on the individual pages. So, if you could maybe do whatever is in your mind at, say, {{m|Bug Bite}}, I could do the rest!?
:: So, could we possibly settle on the following then:
::# Adding a subsection at [[List of modified moves]] (and rewording the intro)? Seems better than at the main Go page; we could link to the new subsection from there instead.
::# Removing asterisks from [[list of moves]]?
::# The thing about Bug Bite I just mentioned? (We may also opt to not do that if we do 1.)
::Thank you! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::For Bug Bite, you'd just add something like, "Prior to an update to Niantic's servers on July 30, Bug Bite had a power of [X]."
:::List of moves is very different from anything related to this change in GO. The asterisks on that page are about things in different Generations...things people playing a game in that generation will be dealing with and may need to know. Those aren't getting removed.
:::I'm also not all for putting this GO data on the list of modified moves either. Again, those are things you ''can'' go back to, depending on which generation you play. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::::So, asterisk then basically means "toggle if you're playing old game, you need different info", and that's why you removed them at GO? Got it. And I'm sorry, could you just do it over at Bug Bite please (it was 6)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Thank you, Sir. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:23, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

== Camp Pokémon ==

Hey, so I noticed that in the side game data, there was nothing on Camp Pokémon. On my user page, I tried to make a template and I have the information on all of the Pokémon on it for there. I can make all of the things myself and add them there, I was just wanting some feedback? [[User:IHHeroes|IHHeroes]] ([[User talk:IHHeroes|talk]]) 04:36, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
:Try making a user page putting together this information somehow. There are (arguably) some games that really just aren't substantial enough to warrant much if any mention among species' game data, and from looking at the [[Camp Pokémon]] page, I can't really tell what there might be that ''should'' be on the species pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:42, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

== The route to improve the damage article ==

You'd be my best guess on a user to assist in this math- and programming-intensive issue (no offense, {{u|BulbaBot}}); and I hope you're capable of TeX for the remainder of this post. So, just to say it out load, the obvious way for the rounding problem is to remove the current formula, replace it by the correct one, and update the article accordingly. This would involve updating the image formulas over at the Archives, so we should update the images and the articles kinda simultaneously.

So, Tiddlywinks, I want to ask you, will you be my TeX-to-Archives-image converter, from this day on to the end of... tomorrow? So please answer with "Yes, I will."

I would then create a userpage with TeX-code where images should be, and alert you once I'm done, so you could wreck havoc at the Archives and update the damage article accordingly. I guess this should be the proper way to do it.

I would personally be going for \cdot over \times, and for including \lfloor and \rfloor in the formulas as well (and not ''only'' mentioning them in prose), but I would like your opinion on that. Additionally, I would be interested in whether they're actually actively rounding down, or they're just doing some kind of float-to-int-conversion. The code's in the Smogon reference that's on the page, but I cannot reliably make sense of it (and ''possibly'' you could!?) Again, if you don't speak TeX (there's no user template for it, unfortunately :P), I'm sure we could find another method. Thanks. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:54, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure how everyone else makes images for formulas, but I've been using [http://www.codecogs.com/eqnedit.php this]. Perhaps you can use that too. If you'd still like me to plug in those formulas, though, I can do it. (If you do it yourself, I'll suggest that the variables for "Level" and "(Base)Power" be written out as such, whereas the Attack/Defense variables can perhaps be left as "A"/"D", which will make it a little harder for people to assume it means the physical stats and a little easier for us to define those in text as ''dependent'' on the move category.)
:I will note also, the images on the Damage page will take a good while to update on the page once they've been updated on the Archives. (About a month, from past experience.) ...But it may be possible to write text that pretty much works for either formula.
:Rounding/integers: the Smogon article says right out that "''÷ always denotes the in-game unsigned divmod function, i.e. the unrounded/truncated integer division''". Going by that, the formula on the Dragonflycave page that has <code>floor(2 * L / 5 + 2)</code> should probably technically be <code>(2 * floor(L / 5) + 2)</code>, which could make a difference if you had something like level=13 (floor(2*2.6) = 5, whereas 2*floor(2.6) = 4). By contrast, Smogon says applying any modifier actually ends with a straight ''rounding'' (decimals <=0.5 are rounded down, otherwise it's rounded up). It may also be worth noting that, according to Smogon/for Gen V at least, there are a few modifiers that come before the random damage factor. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for spotting the division thing. Looking at both sources (Smogon basically has the same formula than Dragonfly, it's just us who've re-written it), I guess it should technically be <code>floor((2*L)/5) + 2</code> and not what you said, which shouldn't make a difference (5 in your example either way). The tool is basically a TeX-image converter, but it'd be cool if you could still account for the Archives part (not being confirmed on Archives and such), would you? I don't know yet whether it will be possible to write text that works either way (I guess not if we're renaming). I thought the images update on bp if I edit the article? If not, maybe we should (if it's text that only works the new way) upload new images instead of updating old ones?
::Anyway, got opinions regarding last message's last paragraph? Also, there's a tradeoff between having <code>Damage=...*Modifier [next line] where Modifier=a*b*...</code> vs. having <code>Damage=...*a*b*...</code> (image size vs. inventing/defining "Modifier"); got an opinion on that as well? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:33, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, yeah, I managed to miss how Smogon's page said (2*level), not 2*level. I might've just gotten confused by looking at both the pages. Yeah, in that case, Dragonflycave's format is practically speaking the same thing.
:::Got it, if you can't do the uploading, sure. (Trying to put a bit of time in at the Archives might be a good idea for future needs too. =P )
:::I think there are cases where an image might update right away, but I wouldn't bet on it. And uploading new images just because the old ones are cached isn't really appropriate.
:::The floors can be included, and the times operator should probably be something more visible than \cdot (\times just because that's apparently our standard in most other formulas). Since there's already a modifier image in the article currently, and putting them together would definitely make the formula quite long, I think it's best to just keep them separate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:57, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the fast reply. Makes sense. Just wanna add that I guess ''most'' modifiers are applied before the random damage factor. (Let's probably discuss this further once I got the userpage ready.) Opinion: Shouldn't Smogon's modifiers for A and D be located at [[Statistic#In-battle modification]] rather than at [[damage]]? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Smogon appears to say that the random factor is the 4th of 8 modifiers, the [http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_complete_damage_formula#final last of which] has many and overlapping possibile components itself. (If you were counting the base power, attack, and defense modifications, those aren't part of the same modifier component, so to speak.)
:::::Smogon's base power, attack stat, and defense stat sections (sections 3-5) can probably be offloaded to other pages, yeah, with appropriate nods/links (like [[power]] and [[Statistic#In-battle modification]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:36, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Started my article [[User:Nescientist/Damage|here]], with lots of info/considerations/todos hidden. Apart from the missing example, that's the basic outline that should do it. Note that I didn't do floor (or hid it, cause the formula looks way to confusing imho), but instead just explained it in prose. The old descriptions will not make it, cause there's new factors, and "A" and "D" have been renamed. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I have now finished what I had in mind, including the formulas that would need to be uploaded. From the HTML-hidden notes, do you happen to know an easy way to do 1 (I guess you can tell what I had in mind)? For some of the other notes, I feel I kinda lack the authority to decide on my own. If you want to edit the article or discuss something, feel free. Feel free to also remove the HTML-hidden notes if you want to move it or something (I have them here). Thank you very much. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:43, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::(Without having read the whole page super thoroughly) I can't actually tell what the "hidden details" your "1" is referring to are. I'll take some time trying to consider all sorts of stuff otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, I mean the expandable tables/texts on the page. Whatever you see looks ugly. I wasn't (easily) able to make them look how they're supposed to. Thanks for your time! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:29, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, I see. I keep Javascript disabled as a rule, so I had no idea those were even supposed to be hidden/collapsed. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::As this is related, we should also be splitting off the "Attack modifiers" (how Smogon calls 'em) from our {{stat|In-battle modification}} (the rest would be "boost level"). {{m|Foul Play}} apparently uses the target's (base) Attack stat and "boost levels", but applies "Attack modifiers" as normal (and I cannot currently word it). The same holds true for Defense modifiers, and I guess for everything else that does also not count towards the maximum/minimum of 6 stages. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:45, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Edit: Managed to reword Foul Play, but the mentioned section could still need a split. As in, later. :P [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:20, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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1) I don't see any real need to split the things that change stat stages from the things the modify stats in any other way. The latter is already differentiated by being labeled '''Other''' in the table.

2) A tip in regards to Foul Play: don't use a phrase like "stat modifiers" too broadly. It especially should not be used to attempt to refer to stat stages (or "boost levels"), which already have a well-recognized name—trying to refer to that with the words "stat modifiers" is only confusing. It shouldn't even be used to refer to all "modifiers", including stat stages, simply because it's ill-defined. Something like "stat stage and all other modifiers" would be a much clearer way to identify all modifiers. (Really, "modifiers" is only clear when directly contrasted with stat stages.)

[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:The need is the max/min limit. And '''Other''' is not (currently) used exclusively for that. (But that's all rather minor.) I was using "stat modifiers" specifically because that's what our stat page uses (like for virtually everything), and not "stat stages" (as a term) or "boost levels". And while the current wording is much better/clearer than mine, it still might sound like it references the user for Reflect, Multiscale, or even Defense, as well. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::And pretty much everything outside of the Statistic page will refer very specifically to stat stages when speaking of them, and not jump through hoops trying to use the word "modifier".
::Like you say, the user case is basically the ''normal'' case (except that trying to use that word in the description is confusing); that should be pretty well understandable. If it helps, you could think of it like the damage formula ''acts'' (so to speak) from the user/target's ''perspective''. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes, I know, I checked, I read the code, and I'm quite sure I understood it. Nothing changes except for the Attack stat and the Attack stat stages being taken from the target instead of the user. Yet that's not what the current descriptions says. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::I wasn't talking about the code or that sort of thing. I was only talking about the description.
::::If your problem is still something to do with Reflect, Multiscale, or Defense: the effect description currently says it "references the user for all other modifiers to '''''Attack'''''" (and did originally, but I got confused by your edit summary when I redid it). Only Attack. Not Reflect, Multiscale, or any Defense modifiers in general. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:35, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'm sorry, I just thought you were unsure whether I actually understand what the move does. As you know, I was recently very much into everything that has to do with damage calculation, including code.
:::::Therefore, the current description is still not correct, as burn and many Abilities never modify "Attack". Please understand that this is not some kind of personal vendetta or anything. I do not want my specific wording to be on the description, not even my specific terms. We both want the description to be correct and clear, but if we cannot manage to have it correct ''and'' avoid saying "nothing else is different"/"everything else acts as normal", then we should not avoid saying that and have it incorrect, but we should have it correct and not avoid saying that. That's a very bad tradeoff, it's just not worth it then. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Burn: now ''that'' bugs me, actually. I can't tell from the Gen V code what's actually going on, but Gen I and II do seem to account for a burn on the ''Attack'', not the damage. (Also, burn is always described as lowering Attack... If it's ''technically'' cutting physical damage, that's an annoying distinction to hide.)
::::::Abilities: again, as I wrote it, the description is only worried about all other modifiers '''to Attack'''. Abilities that don't modify Attack are completely outside of that consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:36, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You're right about the burn in Gen I and II. I guess you can technically call that wording correct (and super-careful) then. So I'd be ok with it, if "type" was removed.
:::::::You should hopefully be able to tell what's going on after you've thoroughly read and considered my damage page :P (FYI, I've also analyzed/used [https://github.com/Zarel/honko-damagecalc] and [https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown], my wording is in accordance to the calculation, and my damage values are in accordance to [https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/ their calculator's]) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::If "you should be able to tell [...]" means you still have a problem with Abilities, then I don't see it, no. You'll just have to do a better job explaining if you think you still need to convince me. Maybe give specific examples.
::::::::Trusting derived programs is fraught with hazards. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It was not supposed to mean it. And I didn't trust those programs entirely, I just used them to doublecheck. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:08, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Actually, is there any reason not use their code as "source"? They've clearly analyzed the game's code, and they are sooo super accurate for anything I have checked so far: If there was any contradiction, it was always others who had it wrong. It's far more accurate than we (currently) are or "regular" Smogon is, and also slightly more accurate than the Smogon article (that misses Whirlpool etc.). (Dragonfly is super, but not as concrete/detailed.)
::::::::::Interestingly, from checking their code, those Minimize-effect moves do not seem to "always hit" if the foe had used Minimize, but to just take their (base) [[accuracy]] no matter what; doesn't make a difference for Body Slam, but certainly for Dragon Rush. So, I'll be testing, and if they're correct there as well, I'd like to just treat it as the most accurate "source" we have, and go start "correct" everything that's wrong/imprecise. Ok?
::::::::::Also, do you have a place you'll be doing that in-battle modification split? If so, I'd be willing to start adding how everything affects/modifies stats to a table/tables (i.e. everything bar stat stages). And also power at [[power]]. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::You say it's clear they've analyzed the game, but I know of no particular reason it is. Nor do I have any idea how they've analyzed the games. We prefer to avoid assumptions. I'm not comfortable with just assuming those calculators are ''truly'' accurate, especially regarding some new mechanic or change. You can find some support, but don't just take their word (so to speak) for it—especially if there's no way (or hardly any) to be sure of the difference (like, for example, a burn halving physical damage instead of Attack).
:::::::::::I'm trying to balance a handful of things at the moment. I'll hope to make some more progress surrounding this damage stuff this weekend, here and there (though not necessarily "finish" (maybe, but not at all sure)). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Oh, I'm not talking of the calculator. I'm talking of their source code that's available on GitHub. There are comments in there that clearly show they basically (try to) port the game code, like [https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown/blob/master/data/moves.js here]. I'm almost sure they can just read and understand the original.
::::::::::::Yes, thanks. I guess neither of us thought that this will end up in some "project" as big as this. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:52, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Yes, by the calculator I meant more or less their source. Looking at the page you linked, I don't see anything that necessarily suggests they've looked at the games' source. All I can tell is they've apparently implemented things to function like the games. Is there a particular comment that indicated to you that they read the games' code? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Yes, [https://github.com/Zarel/honko-damagecalc/blob/aa86908265db6d452606b3b69fca71323051e367/js/damage.js this] comes to my mind:
::::::::::::::"''// GameFreak rounds DOWN on .5''", and the entire "pokeround" rounding function they have no reason to include (in places where they include them) otherwise.
::::::::::::::They have also rewritten everything for Gen VI (by intact backwards-compatability), whereas if I had no access to the code, I would just have copy-pasted Gen V. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}I'll punt a bit and see what other staff think. A good part of this is just trust, especially as communicated by someone in a position to know. I've heard from trustworthy people that UPC is good. This calculator seems ''likely'' okay, but I'd still really like that actual trust factor (and/or clear testament or something from the developers). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:39, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:Ok then. Just to clarify, it's not just the move calculator, but also their online battle simulator (else we had no accuracy etc.) But I'd like to point out that my trust in it in large part comes from checking what they have (in-game, UPC, the Smogon article, ...; they're right in contradictions; Minimize accuracy). And that it's virtually impossible to add details such as the burn thing if you trust noone (which you don't, but anyway). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:56, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::Excuse me, Tiddlywinks, but do you happen to have any news regarding any of the topics we discussed? I'd really like to get things going before Sun-rise, even for reasons other than being selfish or only ''personally'' disliking current states. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:29, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
:::I've kind of been trying to do a few things recently before S/M comes out/PGL shuts down, and this isn't a '''huge''' priority, so I've been letting it slide. I haven't forgotten, I just haven't made time to finish it up yet either. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:53, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
::::I see. Thank you.
::::Just as some kind of explanation, or maybe excuse: It's just that I've been considering to check/correct move effects (''possibly'' after doing something with [[User:Nescientist/Effect section guideline|this]], but not sure) ''before'' I have no clue whether it's still up to date. (And this is not primarily about minor things.) As it's a rather time-consuming thing to do or plan, it would be open up opportunities ''at least for me'' if you could possibly move your judgment on Showdown a bit further upstream your priority list (at least above the damage article stuff).
::::I've seen other users at talk pages basically saying "''I just tested <effect> in <game>, it's not what the page says. Can someone confirm/correct?''", where I could just answer "''Yes, I already noticed that, I'm sure you're absolutely right, and that it is <effect2> instead, but yeah, the article doesn't reflect this.''" For me ''personally'', it's kinda sad to see others basically relying on info that's outdated from my point of view, and it's also weird to give answers that basically go "I'm sooo clever, trust me, don't trust Bulbapedia." (you may or may not believe me here :P) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:19, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::Showdown? I may need to apologize. When I tried to ask about it, no one apparently knew much about it and I kind of forgot/didn't think about pursuing it myself. Part of me thought you would contact whoever's working on Showdown, too. I thought you were a bit more familiar with all of that, so you would know who to go to or where to look a little faster than I would if I had to look into it. So I haven't been thinking about that myself, actually. Unless you really do know well who to go to, I guess I can try to reach out to whoevers sometime today.
:::::And are you saying that you can't answer "Yes, I already noticed that [etc]" because you would know that from Showdown? We don't restrict people's "sources" on talk pages. If you want to say, "Yup, Showdown suggests such-and-such is the real mechanic(s)", you're entirely free to make that response. We're only strict with what makes it into mainspace pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:14, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::Well, you said you'd check it or talk to whoever, so I didn't pursue asking others when I thought you did. (And ''if'' you're really eager to get some "testament" from developers, as it seemed you kinda were, I guess you (or staff) should try to get that anyway, not me!? I wouldn't see that as a must, personally.)
::::::I did answer it like that on talk pages. But I've restrained from changing anything on mainspace pages myself. (If you wanna, I was even kinda ahead whoever asked those questions.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:28, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::The verdict is a negative for using Showdown as a source. We'd prefer more direct access to the disassembled instructions/workings as opposed to a necessarily derivative simulator. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:33, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::I see. (Though I'd say Bulbapedia is ''at least'' just as "necessarily derivative" for the most relevant part.) So, what would be the appropriate procedure for me instead (like when there are contradictions etc.)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:14, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't really know how to answer that. Case by case?
:::::::::Try giving me an example of a contradiction. And then give me your best guess of what you would/could do. Maybe that'll help me understand well enough to give a better answer. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:22, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}(I don't know if this came out wrong, but I don't want to source Showdown as in reference them in the article. I'm not affliated in any way, I don't even play there.) So, I'm not sure, but I think "case by case" is kinda what I was asking for!? Let me sketch a few different cases that might show:

1. Well, probably have a look at {{m|Whirlwind}} in the last few days (minus the nonsense I did), as well as its talk. What I would have done ''in that case'' is to change it without testing.

2. Another example, starting with A: {{m|Astonish}}, according to Showdown, doubled in base power after Minimize in Gen III only (and was not the only move to do so). Nobody complained yet, and probably nobody on here will for quite some time, but Showdown data shows different, which I noticed. Seeing that UPC also says this, I would have changed that without testing.

3. {{m|Heat Crash}} up next: In Gen VI only, it doubles after Minimize. I've tested this in-game some time ago, and Showdown was correct; but in a case like that, I would also like to add it without testing. I have nothing that contradicts this, and it is highly likely nobody added it to Bulbapedia ''yet''. I would, of course, be super careful with Gen VI info in particular.

I have yet to go through all effects systematically, but I believe there also could be things like before someone complained at Whirlwind, that Bulbapedia ''explicitly'' contradicts Showdown (like before [[Special:Diff/2519038|this]]). I would have used common sense there, going with what's likely, what's unlikely, and being ''very'' careful on removing Bulbapedia info. Just assuming for a moment that nobody already noticed the contradiction in-game and that UPC (and Azure Heights, and if you have more you consider reliable, then these as well) had no data on Whirlwind, and Bulbapedia ''explicitly'' contradicts Showdown, I would go to Whirlwind's talk page (and/or Spading) and not change anything yet.

So, can I do that? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:16, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:1: I'm a little wary when you mention "change it without testing". If it was just after Hydroxybutyric's oriingal comment on [[Talk:Whirlwind (move)]], that would seem a bit hasty.
:2: UPC is a fine source.
:3: If you've tested it, that's fine. Do not presume Showdown is correct and "add it without testing".
:The long and short of it is, don't trust anything to Showdown solely. Consider it like Serebii or something: find an alternate source/proof. And don't just guess at what's "likely" or "unlikely". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:36, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::That seems like something I can work with (although it seems a bit restrictive imho, and from all I can tell, I believe I'm generally even slightly more... precautious than you). Depending on how much "Showdown-exclusive" info it will be, I guess I will go to individual talk pages or make up a "public" user page with accumulated contradictions (unless you have a better idea). Thanks! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:26, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

== About the page splits mentioned on your userpage... ==

Are you ever going to finish them? It's been over two weeks since you said, "It's been over two weeks." [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:08, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:Yes. Some day. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

== Accuracy, accuracy, evasion, power ==

(Has nothing to do strictly with the damage article, but) I guess there are clear parallels for calculating "effective" normal/standard stats (i.e. Atk/Def/SpAtk/SpDef/Init), accuracy, evasion, and power:
# Start with the (base) Atk[/...] stat seen in-game / the [[accuracy|move accuracy]] seen in-game / a value of "1"/100[%] / the move's [[power]] seen in-game (or as calculated by special routines)
# Modify with [multiply by] the Atk[/...] stat stages / the {{stat|accuracy}} stat stages / the {{stat|evasion}} stat stages / [nothing for power]
# [modify SpDef with unique Sandstorm modifier here]
# Modify with [multiply by] effects of items, Abilities (iff they affect this here)
(And technically speaking, I'd therefore prefer to say Gravity and anything other than accuracy stat stages modify [[accuracy|(move) accuracy]] rather than the user's {{stat|accuracy}} stat, and have items/Abilities listed in that article rather than the stat page.) Just prominently saying/reminding, in case you intent to reformulate/work on any of that (or any moves/Abilities affected) in a moderately larger scale. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:52, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:Edit: Effects of [[Badges]] come after 2 in early Gens, and 4 would also include {{m|Tailwind}}. Also, evasion is not calculated all on its own, but the evasion stat stages are simply subtracted from those of accuracy (in step 2) [http://www.dragonflycave.com/mechanics/battle#accuracy] (so technically, there is basically no "evasion stat", but only evasion stat stages). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:53, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::If nothing else, [[Statistic#Accuracy]] has the actual accuracy formula. I think that makes it a far better place to link to than [[Accuracy]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Actually, I guess you're right. (And this further justifies my proposed move of [[accuracy]].) Still, a split (or better just a mention somewhere, coz the table's so nice) between "affects stat stages" and "doesn't" would be nice. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::The In-battle modification table is nice (pretty), but I've been thinking it's a little cramped/haphazard/something, too. I intend to split it up a bit in the process of vetting its contents. It won't be the same kind of pretty, but I think it'll be a bit better in its own way too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::After thinking about it, I guess our formula is also wrong then. It at least contradicts what I just said Dragonflycave says. Have the user have +2 accuracy and the target +1 evasion (Gen V+), our formula gives <code>5/4</code>, but theirs gives <code>4/3</code>. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'll have to look at that later, then. I have to focus on squaring things away for Damage first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:04, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm quite sure our formula is off after Gen II (and that Dragonfly and the Showdown guys are right). I'll probably try to check in-game some time soon (and try to get a miss with a 75% move at -1 vs. a -2 opponent).
:::::::When you edit articles about accuracy (nice formulation btw), you may want to also (my favorite) limit {{cat|Moves that cannot miss}} to damaging (physical/special) moves (and remove status moves currently in it). Or to moves than can affect an opponent (and add weather-inducing moves, entry hazards, the Terrain moves, {{m|Sketch}}, {{m|Telekinesis}}, {{m|Miracle Eye}}, {{m|Odor Sleuth}}, {{m|Psych Up}}, {{m|Role Play}}, {{m|Mud Sport}}, {{m|Water Sport}}, {{m|Aromatherapy}}, {{m|Heal Bell}}, {{m|Block}}, {{m|Howl}}, {{m|Gravity}}, {{m|Tailwind}}, {{m|Guard Split}}, {{m|Power Split}}, {{m|Wonder Room}}, {{m|Magic Room}}, {{m|Heal Pulse}}, {{m|Reflect Type}}, {{m|Bestow}}, {{m|Rototiller}}, {{m|Sticky Web}}, {{m|Ion Deluge}}, {{m|Flower Shield}}, {{m|Electrify}}, {{m|Fairy Lock}}, {{m|Play Nice}}, {{m|Confide}}). Or add virtually all status moves... You may also consider whether to add {{m|Thunder}}, {{m|Hurricane}}, {{m|Blizzard}} (or open a discussion or whatever). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:10, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Edit: better not add Thunder etc., or we'd also have to add {{cat|moves that power up against a Minimized opponent}}. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I tested, and our formula appears to indeed be incorrect after Gen II, and Dragonfly and Showdown seem to be correct on this. Anyway, I noted that we also note that somehow, but in a very different section ([[Statistic#Stage multipliers]]). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:11, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::I know that staff may sometimes need dedicated/special ways to discuss things, and that sometimes no communication is just most efficient. And while I adore your efforts and most of your design decisions (and do not oppose most others either), I would like to kindly ask you to consider being more public/transparent/something in regards to at least the (in the broader sense) damage-related stuff you're doing. It's a wiki, we may be able to coordinate things, I may be able to ''assist''.
::::::::::The categories in particular needed some refinement, sure. But if it's just you changing some things, I (and ''possibly'' others as well) have no chance to know what the deal is. Recently, for example, I could only guess that you may have ''missed'' to add {{m|Ice Ball}} to {{cat|Moves that power up}}, but ''intended'' not to include {{m|Earthquake}} (and others); I'm just not sure, I don't know your reasoning (and future plans that might influence that)—you might even have just missed them as well. Also, I would, personally, definitely like to at least be able to give some input on your choices as they're made, instead of spamming your (or any) talk page after they're already implemented (especially when I could very well be aware of certain issues that might've fallen through the cracks initially). (Also, as kind of an argument to this, I believe I'm not super pedantic, and I'm very well able to just accept imprecise wording/categorization if it helps overall simplicity/readability/wiki-bility, or carefully made decisions I personally oppose.) Thank you. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::The extent to which I've coordinated with other staff is pretty much "Is this a bad idea?" I'm trying to put things together so (as much as possible) they can be easily and accurately referenced regarding damage calculation. I did indeed miss Ice Ball. But Earthquake's modifier does not act on "power".
:::::::::::There are a number of reasons I may not be real good at the kind/level of communication you apparently want, but right now, the only thing still on my mind is incorporating "Modifiers for the base power" from Smogon's page into [[power]]. And after that I hope to be able to think about the Damage page more directly. I hope that helps somehow. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:15, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Well, thank you for understanding. We're both having the same goals. Of course, I'd be pretty willing to answer "Bad idea?" questions if I was asked, or to draft my ideas at a talk or user page. If you'd prefer it, though, I'll continue to share my thoughts at your talk page, and let you continue do your thing, so to speak.
::::::::::::As I said, I wasn't sure on Earthquake, I just (correctly) assumed the most reasonably thing. Thanks for clearing that up anyway.
::::::::::::According to Showdown, if you want that, the base power is also increased for {{m|Knock Off}} (Gen VI only), and {{m|Revenge}} (since its intro in Gen III, but missing completely at the Smogon article, unlike its variation {{m|Avalanche}}). As an idea, it might be worth introducing "Moves that power down" (or similar) as a counterpart for "Moves that power up" (for {{m|Solar Beam}} etc.). Alternatively, we could just include both kinds of moves directly in "Move that have variable power", which is basically how I have split things at the [[power]] article some weeks ago (I'd ''slightly'' prefer to not do that alternative, though). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:37, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Actually, the way we do it now, "Moves that power down" would only include Solar Beam, so it might be a bad idea. However, moving Eruption etc. there would be an option (and the most precise one ''technically''); that would also have the neat effect that "Moves that have variable power" was mdash-only (if we say Stored Power "powers up", which I guess it does technically), but also the drawback that we should then probably also label Reversal (and others?) as "Moves that power up" (from zero). I'm unsure on that one, so maybe we should only have "Moves that have variable power" and no "that power up/down", or just have everything the way it is now, except for Knock Off and Revenge. (Sorry for talking too much...) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 00:27, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Eruption is variable power. There's no trigger condition. (I deviated from a certain theoretical ideal to include the likes of Rollout, Triple Kick, and Fury Cutter, but Eruption's power is still on a continuous sliding scale; that's plainly different from the mechanics of any of the "moves that power up".)
::::::::::::::In some part, I'm not actually happy with being this strict—with quibbling over "technically such-and-such modifies damage and whatsit modifies power" (possibly Attack too), a difference that should ''mostly'' be negligible, as well as pretty unimportant (possibly even confusing) to most users. Perhaps that could simply be addressed with another category, though, something that, somehow, implies it covers any modifiers to power or damage (or etc.), and "moves that power up" could be a subcategory to it and Earthquake and stuff could go in the parent or new subcategories. ...But for now I'm just going to continue on as I have been. What I'm trying to do is task enough for now. A case for more or different can be made eventually, if someone wishes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}
Well, that depends somehow; you basically meant to define "moves that power up/down" as "has no trigger for variable power", whereas my idea would more be like "may deviate from what the label says". I guess you mean unimportant/negligable ''for categorization''; then yeah, sure. The supercategory idea sounds cool, too. Meanwhile, I'll just slow down interrupting you. :) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 01:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

== About moving "Magnagate" article to "Magnagate Dungeon", as well as maybe moving or deleting all the named Magnagate Dungeon articles ==

Since I've been analysing and researching the internal data of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity, I have discovered that there is no set list of Magnagate Dungeon names, they are determined on two separate lists. The first list in which determines the first name, in this case "Alluring". Then the next comes from the second list of names in which determines the second name of the dungeon, in this case "Crevasse". So the name of the dungeon becomes "Alluring Crevasse". And there's more to it too, the first list of names determines the enemy Pokémon and items that appear, while the second list of names determines the music and the dungeon layout and textures.

So I'm just wondering about the [[Magnagate]] article, should it be moved to [[Magnagate Dungeon]]? The article itself seems like it hasn't had any activity for quite a while and needs improvement. Also, what should be done about all the named Magnagate Dungeons that are listed, such as [[Forgotten Rock Formation]]? Should they also be moved into an article in which lists all the Magnagate Dungeons? Or should they be deleted altogether? Lemme know what you think.—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 16:03, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:Can you start out by telling me how many possibilities there are for the first and last parts of a name?
:And I'm not sure if I'm missing something from your explanation...but it seems none of the other dungeons with "Forgotten" (like [[Forgotten Maze]]) match the Forgotten Rock Formation's encounter list.
:My first inclination (with reservations, given the "Forgotten" stuff above) is just to describe how each piece of the name affects the dungeon on the Magnagate page, and the resulting combinations don't need dungeon pages, but that definitely needs to discussed with other staff first (possibly even up to the EB).
:And "Magnagate" ''seems'' alright to me... Not sure what's better about "Magnagate Dungeon", but I've never played (or been super interested in, really) any of the MD games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, I was thinking that too. And hm... seems like whenever a Magnagate Dungeon is generated in the game's data, it might also be selecting a Pokémon encounter group, as of random. But I'll need to look into it more, and I'll have to see what determines the items that appear in a dungeon too.
::And there's also another reason why I thought "Magnagate Dungeon" would be more fitting for the article, 'cause I also noticed that there's no article about the "Magnagate" in the actual story of the game, in which uses Entercards, however there's one close to that in which does explain what would fit into a Magnagate article too, which is the [[Entercard]] article. From playing and researching the game, there is the Magnagate Dungeons created by an Entercard, in the story of the game. And I understand you haven't played the game or been interested in it. I just like to research the data in games and find out how it functions when certain bytes are changed. As well as discovering unused content in the game too (such as the Exit tile, which functions in the same way as the stairs).—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 16:54, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

== Am I going to get blocked for reverting that edit? ==

I'm sure you're aware that I'm under a trivia ban. Unfortunately, one of the edits I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Elesa&curid=115746&diff=2491763&oldid=2491758 turned out to be trivia]. I didn't even look at what I undid (until after); I just saw him edit warring and undid his edits blindly. Sorry. :{ [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
:It's fine, don't worry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:04, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
::Phew, thanks. ^_^ I'll be more careful in the future (unless it's something obvious or offensive, in which case...) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

== Pokémon GO - Move - Bug Bite ==

Page in question → [[Bug Bite (move)#Pokémon GO]]

I noticed that you stated the "Energy Delta" was increased from 6 to 7 on July 30th.

It is my understanding that it was always 7.

<pre>{
"ID": 201,
"Name": "Bug Bite",
"Move Type": "Quick",
"Animation ID": 4,
"Type": "Bug",
"Power": 6,
"Accuracy Chance": 1,
"Stamina Loss Scalar": 0.01,
"Trainer Level Min": 1,
"Trainer Level Max": 100,
"Duration (ms)": 450,
"Damage Window Start (ms)": 250,
"Damage Window End (ms)": 450,
"Energy Delta": 7
} </pre>

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 01:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:That page says power, not energy. The power was 6 (and is now 5). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh, good catch, sorry. Thanks for the quick response. I am staring at a huge JSON file and m eyes are going cross-eyed...

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 01:42, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Undo revision by Poliwhirl (talk)Umm...why? ==

Thanks for changing it back. I was giving the people who think they're 14 the benefit of the doubt, but it really shouldn't be on there until there's some kind of concrete source. I'd probably just remove the age section of their infobox altogether since the only source that claims that says they were "initially" envisioned as being 16, but that doesn't mean they were in the final game. Still better than nothing though.--[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 13:43, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
:I understand the impulse to remove the age parameter. On the other hand, I think, at the very least, there should probably be some acceptable compromise/middle ground. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:01, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, I added the "14-16" as an attempt to compromise because it seems to be commonly believed that they're 14. I still can't find the supposed Famitsu article that states this, though. It's probably better to leave it off until it's found. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 14:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::I'm going to remove the ages for just Bianca and Cheren. It's assumed they're the same age as Hilbert and Hilda but it's not 100% confirmed, and I think it's better to remove them until a source is found that states their official ages, if they even have any. I hope you don't mind. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 19:52, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

== Targeting ==

I've thought about it some time ago, and I'd like to share my thoughts/considerations.

So, there are actually two different concepts/connotations of "target" (hence also my subtle push for a target/range article [[User:Nescientist/Damage|over here]]):
# what you can select (with stylus etc.); from what I can think of, nothing depends on this (other than what you have to select);
# who the move affects/hits; virtually everything depends on this, such as who can {{m|Protect}}, whom it [[contact]]s, who can {{m|Mirror Move}} it.
While these are one and the same for almost anything, they're different/conflicting for {{m|Outrage}} and variations and also for {{m|Uproar}} (and ''possibly'' also for {{m|Struggle}} in some way). So, as our template (currently) only supports one option, and although admittedly it ''visually'' looks like we should be using 1. over 2., I'd actually like to convince you to undo your changes. I guess that, from the technical/programming side, those actually ''are'' a special kind of foe-affecting rather than self-affecting moves (see e.g. [http://projectpokemon.org/rawdb/black2/movedata.php this] and [[Move data structure in Generation III|this]], or how UPC calls the range/target "random opposing Pokémon"). The template/page notably ''says'' nothing about a "target", but just uses "affects" (which I initially imagined might have been an intentionally carefully designed wording to account for these moves); it does, however, simultaneously mention {{m|Protect}} etc., which I guess kind of demands its target param to be "adjacentfoe" (or to not be "self"), if only for clarity reasons. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:12, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not undoing {{m|Petal Dance}}/etc's "targeting".
:Both the "select your target" kind of targeting and the "you may hit these" kind of targeting are pretty fundamental to moves, but the former is a good deal more prominent (more visible, more interactive) in the games. The effect section can always explain the ''effect''—who's actually hit/how.
:...And if you wanted to go the "you may hit these" route, then we'd have to consider changing the targeting of other moves like {{m|Bide}} and {{m|Counter}}. And we really just don't need those kinds of arguments; we'll stick with the thing the game very clearly defines.
:(At best, we could perhaps add a parameter that mostly looks like "self" except that instead of saying "Affects the user", it says "Affects a random opponent". But hell, if Counter works fine saying "Affects the user", I'm not sure there's really that much of a difference. Hell, UPC technically says [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=68.html Counter] and [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=14.html Swords Dance] have different targeting. But in the end...I don't know if it's worth it for us to mark those differences that well. At any rate, it could probably become a much larger conversation if we wanted to treat Petal Dance/etc any differently.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:50, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
::Ok. What kinds of arguments do we not need? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:::About what the "right" targeting is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:47, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

==Problem==
The same problem you dealt with on Skitty's page, I had to take care of on Sunkern's page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, I noticed, don't worry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:47, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
::Well, I was going to fix that edit anyway before you got to it first, but I think think this user needs a temporary block from what I've seen on their talk page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:50, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:::We see it as well. We'll deal as needs dealing in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Up to his old tricks again, I would say now would be a good time, as this user will not stop. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

== Grateful ==

Excuse me Tiddlywinks. Thanks for helping out the situation.--[[User:CoolPokeGuy|CoolPokéGuy]] ([[User talk:CoolPokeGuy|Talk]]) 16:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
:You're welcome. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:18, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

== yveltal and the black death dispute ==

I hate to bother you with this, I admit I only came to you first because your username was easy to remember. ^^;

So here's the problem. Pumpkinking0192 removed mention of the black death from Yveltal's Origin section. Upon questioning his motives, he first claimed just because it's black and related to death has nothing to do with the black death, which I told him that was not remotely the reason for the origin mentioning it. Then he said it can't be related because Yveltal is not a poison type and now he refuses to discuss it due to the "wall of text" I used to address his reasons. and told me to go to a staff member. Sorry I don't mean to sound like a kid running to the teacher to tattle here, but this is beyond ridiculous. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 07:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
:If I may clarify, Tiddlywinks, please read my talk page posts with an open mind instead of accepting Yamitora's exaggerated characterization. In no way did I say any of my suggestions were "must-be"s or "can't be"s, just that their presence or absence made it ''unlikely'' that the plague was an intended influence on Yveltal. If you keep that in mind, my posts speak for themselves, and this is the last post I have any interest in making in this silly dispute. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:07, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
::The Black Death is not something I would say has or should be connected to "poison".
::I tend to lean permissive on origins (more or less precisely because of the likelihood for this sort of detailed and subjective (on both sides) arguing). So, when all's said and done, my own conclusion here comes down to just..."Eh, why not?" But I'll see if other staff have any thoughts and try to get back to you. (If I don't get back after a couple days, assume I've forgotten perhaps. And/or if you're not satisfied with my lack of conviction, feel free to consult {{bp|Staff|someone else}}.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I didn't exaggerate anything, read the edit log for Yveltal and Pumpkinking0192's talk page and you'll see I listed the key points of the situation.

:::'''edit log for Yveltal 00:32 September 10, 2016''' ''Origin: Being the color black and themed around death does not automatically make it related to the plague outbreak nicknamed "the Black Death." It has no other connection to the plague that I'm aware of, so this really doesn't belong.)'' [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::::The ascendant opinion among staff seems to be that there's little connecting Yveltal to the plague. I will defer to that, and I hope you can make peace with this. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your time, yes I can make peace with the decision. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:20, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

== BW103 ==

Why did you add that trivia point back? It is pure speculation and is not sourced someone jumping out of a plane doesn't automatically mean James Bond and could just be a coincidence. The copyrighted material is James Bond he is a copyrighted character and from what I've seen before no comparisons to copyrighted materials are allowed.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 07:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:Once again, you have horribly misinterpreted the trivia. No where is it saying the scene is based off James Bond. It's saying that Daniel Craig was '''dressed as''' James Bond as he and the Queen parachuted during the opening ceremony of the 2012 Olympic games. And no, it does not need rewording, the trivia is clear as clear can get.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:27, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::That still doesn't explain that it is unsourced, speculation and most likely a coincidence.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:37, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't even know what you mean by "unsourced". It's not like you need a "source" to draw a comparison. I think "speculation" isn't really a right word to describe this either. The similarities could, however, be mostly coincidence, or both paralleling an underlying trope instead of the Olympics specifically. On the other hand, the timing between the Olympics and the episode is close enough that it's not at all unreasonable to consider that that may have been the inspiration. I'll think about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:35, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Apparently the league conferences often have parallels to the Olympics, like a torch in the first conference. In that light, I think the trivia on [[BW103]] is perfectly reasonable and acceptable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

== Lysandre ==

Thanks for removing that trivia. I haven't seen the episode (wouldn't know where to look, actually) but the original writer's use of "explicitly" misled me to think this was something unprecedented for the anime. Thanks for setting the record straight. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:07, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

== Marill family and fairy type ==
C'mon, it's not that speculative; in fact, it is one of the best explanations, I've ever come across, to their fairy type and it does make sense. If you find a better explanation I'd gladly accept it, but just removing it seems really biased. {{unsigned|ExLight}}
:Can you explain to me (in full/explicit detail, not just with a link to Wikipedia) why you think it is based on the tooth fairy? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:35, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
::Sure, but first we must consider that Marill's family wasn't originally supposed to be tooth fairies, it received the type mainly to spread the new type, so it doesn't really have the tooth story to support it.

::Since the mouse image is strongly related to the tooth fairy, I do believe this was the reason Marill was chosen to get it. In fact, the original tooth fairy might've been a mouse ({{wp|The Little Mouse}}, http://bit.ly/2cfgQoF), now, this one seems to be popular (I'm not really sure how much) in France. (The fact it is a French fairy tale MIGHT be important, since the Kalos Region had french influence on other Pokémon like Aromatisse and Goodra).
:: The Mouse-Tooth Fairy relationship still relevant on some hispanic countries ({{wp|Ratoncito Pérez}}). So even nowadays, representations of the fairy aren't only the 'tinkerbell' one, some of the most frequent among the uncommon are rodents, and sometimes rabbits (http://bit.ly/2cY9veZ).
:: So, that's it. I do believe this is more than enough to give a Pokémon the fairy type, some other need way less to be categorized as such, e.g., Morelull because of its foxfire (a.k.a. fairy fire) and Swirlix being a cotton candy (a.k.a. fairy floss). [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 02:25, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:::''"first we must consider that Marill's family wasn't originally supposed to be tooth fairies"''
:::I'm tempted to stop right there. That's practically the ''definition'' of speculative.
:::But long story short, you've just got ''so'' little. You mention {{p|Swirlix}}. Swirlix at least ''looks'' '''exactly''' like cotton candy. (You also mention {{p|Morelull}}, but its typing is not mentioned on its page at all.) {{p|Marill}}? Marill hardly looks like a mouse, and doesn't look like a tooth fairy, and isn't connected to teeth in any particular way. If anyone's biased here, it's you, wanting an explanation badly enough to be more certain about your theory than is really reasonable. I'll admit, you've got some interesting coincidences and you ''could'' be right... But that's about ''all'' you have: coincidences; it could easily be something else entirely, something that makes much plainer sense (if only we knew about it). You also argue they basically internally retconned Marill to justify it being Fairy; but that's ''really'' not a good assumption either (as we often say: "don't assume").
:::There's simply not enough there. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:00, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:::: "Coincidences", huh. *sigh*
:::: Better than no explanation. Anyways, thanks for hearing me out. If you say so I won't disagree. [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 03:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

== Pokédex 3D ==

What's wrong with the images that I am putting into [[Pokédex 3D]] that you are removing? I am not following what you are wanting that section to contain. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] ([[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder|talk]]) 04:08, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:Long story short: what's the point of multiple images that basically show the same thing? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:12, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
::I made sure to take care of duplicates (or images that don't add much to the article, which I found two and are tagged for deletion on the archives). The PNGs I linked all have something different to them. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] ([[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder|talk]]) 04:15, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Many of them just have different Pokemon. That's hardly any difference. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:19, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
::::What do other people think? Could you ask around? --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] ([[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder|talk]]) 05:11, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::What Tiddlywinks said. One image per "feature" is enough. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 14:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::OK, I reached a compromise. <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[a:Template:Unused|unused]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> was applied to applicable images ([[a:Special:ListFiles/Wildgoosespeeder|my images]]). --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] ([[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder|talk]]) 20:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

== National number ==

Hello! I'm from Poképédia, and I saw that you added the national numbers for Rowley, Litten, Popplio and Pikipek. As for now, I've only seen Rowlet's number, in a Bank Pokémon screenshot. For the other ones, is it just deduction from the regional numbers or is there a real source? [[User:Matt.|Matt.]]([[User talk:Matt.|talk]], [[:fr:Discussion utilisateur:Matt.|discuter]]) 09:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
:The others are inferred from Rowlet's number and the regional order (and the perfect space for expected starter evolutions), yes. In every game since RSE, the regional 'dex order has exactly mapped to the National 'Dex order, with the sole exception of the tail end of the Gen IV Pokemon. (For the record/ease of reference: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc03tXikfJs starter regional numbers], [https://www.twitch.tv/nintendo/v/72391082?t=1h3m45s Pikipek regional/Melemele number].) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:28, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

::So if I understand well, it's just deduction based on the Regional numbers, but nothing really official. Alright, thank you! [[User:Matt.|Matt.]]([[User talk:Matt.|talk]], [[:fr:Discussion utilisateur:Matt.|discuter]]) 14:34, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

== Fainting source ==

It was on the official [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon-refresh/ Pokémon.com page] about Pokémon Refresh.
<code> Sometimes they’ll avoid attacks from opposing Pokémon—and even hold out when they’re on the verge of fainting.</code> [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 21:55, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
:It says affectionate, not friendly or happy. Given that Refresh looks like {{pkmn|Amie}} 2.0, we'd probably best hold off on assuming Refresh's mechanics until the parallels (or divergences) are made more explicit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:06, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

== Orbs and seeds ==

Hi! I wanted to ask you something before I added some large-ish edits about MD since I've approached you on some before. I was thinking of adding an availability table to some MD pages like [[Wonder Orb]]s and [[Seed]]s about which games they can be found in. The item lists currently on those pages don't easily differentiate which games they are from unless you open the details of each one and see whether they can be found in those games. For example, one Orb might have only been available in Gen 3 and 4 games, while another is available in Gen 4, 5 and 6 games, and another only in Gen 5. I was thinking of adding a table like the one on [[Status ailments in Mystery Dungeon|this page]], though it doesn't solve the messy cost issue. What are your thoughts on this? --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:13, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
:It's not a great solution, but if you can turn Javascript off (NoScript makes this very easy for me in Firefox), all the tables will display without you having to click each one.
:We also have a ''small'' hope of splitting all items out to individual pages sometime in the future. (It may never happen, or may never happen until Gen 8, or who knows what. These sorts of things aren't exactly discussed every day, and for now it's had a bit of support but not much in the way of momentum.) It occurs to me that if that happens, a table like you're thinking of would be more appropriate on the Orb/Seed pages.
:Since the MD games are pretty different from the core games in this respect, though (where non-Key items almost always carry forward), if you still want to, I'd say I guess it's alright? I don't think it'll be a perfect solution still, but it is a unique problem for MD games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:21, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

== monopoly moves descriptions ==

Although I get what you're doing by removing instructions, I can't quite seize why you removed half of [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bonemerang_(move)&curid=3764&diff=2512553&oldid=2512544 this one]. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 07:11, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
:I guess that part doesn't have parentheses like the others. But it looks pretty much like instructions. Are you sure you didn't miss any parentheses on that? (Likewise, do you know if you missed any part of Thunderbolt?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:16, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
::Nope, I've verified again and it's all okay. The thing about Bonemerang is that what's left on it is just... not pointless but like, it doesn't really mean or describes anything. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 07:29, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Following most of the rest's example then, I ''suppose'' Bonemerang's whole thing is the "description" then... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:43, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

== Whirlwind and Roar ==

Sorry, I screwed up there. What I wanted to make clearer initially was that it would succeed if the opponent has switched etc., which I'm pretty sure of, and neither revisions nor upc contradict. I somehow forgot that this was the Gen II section somewhere in the middle, then made everything wrong; so sorry for that! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:59, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja ==

Should Greninja count as a Pokémon that appeared in the anime before its game debut? Because the Ash-Greninja form was first introduced in the XY series prior to the Sun and Moon games. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 19:43, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
:It basically seems the same as {{p|Zygarde}}. If Zygarde counts, {{p|Greninja}} probably does too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:54, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
::That's all I needed to know, thanks. But the problem is that the Greninja page is locked and I can't add that category to it. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 21:01, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== sound based moves page messed up ==

I can't fix some kind of weird error that is under snore. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Sound_moves [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:54, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
:You mean {{u|Spriteit}}'s page? There's nothing really to be done about that without removing the infobox or deleting the page entirely, I think. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:20, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

== Direct damage ==

I saw you used that term, and I was wondering if {{cat|Moves that deal direct damage|that}} should contain all of {{DL|User:Nescientist/Damage|Moves that have a special damage calculation|those}}? I'm asking primarily cause I also saw [[Special:Diff/2516659|this]], and if a mention of exceptions actually is warranted, it'd be easier to link to the category then. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:24, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
:Well, do you have a preference for {{a|Fur Coat}} etc.? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:14, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::I forgot about that part. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:22, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:::In lack of an actual answer, just to make sure: you realized that this affects more than just Fur Coat, right? And you prefer to note exceptions? In which case, I can go ahead and change all effects affected!? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:16, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::::I don't have a clue what you're talking about, but how about: go forth and prosper. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:22, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, thanks for your trust I guess, but let me probably explain beforehand:
:::::For Fur Coat, I see two possibilities, namely saying "''Fur Coat halves damage from physical moves, Psyshock, Psystrike, and Secret Sword.''" (and stopping there), or adding "''(..). It does not affect moves that deal direct damage.''" (and noting ''all'' exceptions by linking to the category). However, if we do the second thing here, we should probably similarly note exceptions at a lot of other articles, including rather obvious ones like {{a|Friend Guard}} or {{a|Thick Fat}}, but also weird things like {{cat|damage-reducing Berries}}, [[gem]]s, probably others.
:::::I can't say I have a clear preference of what it should be ideally, that's why I was asking whether you have one. Right now, I would probably just delete that "''Does not affect...''" exception sentence entirely for simplicity, and note the exceptions on their respective pages and that's it. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:26, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::Thick Fat modifies attack stats, not damage. Most of the resist Berries activate on ''supereffective'' damage, which simply cannot apply to any of the direct damage moves. For {{b|Chilan}}, however, it would be fine to note the direct damage exception. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:40, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You're of course right on Thick Fat. (And I should have known!) Gems also affect power. I was a bit too fast with the list; I've slowed down to compile a new one: Chilan, Reflect/Light Screen, Friend Guard, Life Orb, Multiscale/Shadow Shield, Metronome (the item), Burn. The way we have it also Fairy Aura (e.g. Pixilated Super Fang), Electric Terrain (via Electrify), Misty Terrain (Dragon Rage), and said Fur Coat (Showdown disagrees it affects damage for all of those; it's exceptionally hard to test, but would not even require us to make an exception for direct damage).
:::::::So, does "it would be fine to note" actually mean you ''prefer'' to note direct damage exceptions there over not noting them? (I'm about to apologize to ask for your opinion...!?) If so, I could add this within the next 24 hours; it's a matter of whether we ''want'' that. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:47, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::If it's confirmed, a note is certainly warranted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:50, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Alright. I won't necessarily be testing/doublechecking all, but I've got my Raticate right here. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:34, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

== Table formatting ==

I have these two tables that should look better.
{| class="sortable roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#CCF; border:3px solid #BEBED1"
|-
! {{color2|000|National Pokédex|#}}
! class="unsortable" |
! Pokémon
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{hp color}}; font-size:80%" | HP
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{speed color}}; font-size:80%" | Speed
! style="font-size:80%" | Total EVs
{{lop/ev|015|Beedrill|0|2|0|0|1|0}}
|}
How do I make the colors line up correctly and remove the "0" from the last column?
{| class="sortable roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#CCF; border:3px solid #BEBED1"
|-
! {{color2|000|National Pokédex|#}}
! class="unsortable" |
! Pokémon
! style="font-size:80%" | Exp.
{{lop/ev|017|Pidgeotto|122}}
|}
How do I remove the extra column that's right of the last column? {{unsigned|Sumwun}}
:First off, FYI, the four pages you've recently created in your Sandbox aren't really good mainspace material. It's all just trivia, which doesn't add up to a good page.
:Otherwise... The problem you're having comes from the fact that you're using a template, and that template is meant to do things a very ''specific'' way; it's not just going to let you pick and choose the pieces you want somehow. Instead of using that template, you could solve it by making another template in your userspace that only uses the parts you want, if you're able. Or, for the second table, you could just do the rows like on [[User:Sumwun/Sandbox/List of Pokémon with unique catch rates]] instead of trying to use that template. If you still feel like filling them out even if they won't be mainspaced, you could also just ignore the extra parts from the template (like just add an extra, empty column to the header of your first table so the other rows align). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:34, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. As for the pages not being good mainspace material, how meaningless does something have to be in order not to be mainspace material? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, like I said, as a rule of thumb, if it's basically just a trivia list, then it's probably not great for the mainspace. On the other end of the spectrum, things like game features are prime mainspace material. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:45, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
::::This seems kind of on topic, so I'm not sure if I should start a new discussion. Anyway, it's about this table.
{| class="sortable roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#CCF; border:3px solid #BEBED1"
|-
! {{color2|000|National Pokédex|#}}
! class="unsortable" |
! Pokémon
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{hp color}}; font-size:80%" | HP
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{speed color}}; font-size:80%" | Speed
! style="font-size:80%" | Total EVs
|-
|-
! 015
|{{MSP|015|Beedrill}}
| {{p|Beedrill}}
| 0
| 2
| 0
| 0
| 1
| 0
| 3
|}
::::How do I make all rows except the top row white? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::The "|-" starts a new row. You can also use that same line to set the behavior of the new row. Like
|- style="background: #FFF"
:::::This will make the whole row have a white background. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
{| class="sortable roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#CCF; border:3px solid #BEBED1"
|-
! {{color2|000|National Pokédex|#}}
! class="unsortable" |
! Pokémon
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{hp color}}; font-size:80%" | HP
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{speed color}}; font-size:80%" | Speed
! style="font-size:80%" | Total EVs
|- style="background: #FFF"
! 015
|{{MSP|015|Beedrill}}
| {{p|Beedrill}}
| 0
| 2
| 0
| 0
| 1
| 0
| 3
|}
::::::Thanks for your help. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:38, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

== Hiya ==

So I'm curious about a couple of decision-making processes by the admins of this wiki, but since the admin who made the decision has yet to respond to my questions and you have been at least somewhat civil to me every time I've asked you such a question, I figured I could come to you to get an explanation.

First of all, I asked on [[Talk:Red (Origins)]] if I could split Caterpie and Metapod into separate boxes (for reasons that are listed there but I don't feel like repeating here). After a long time of no answer, I went ahead and did it, only for it to be reverted. When I asked on the talk page why it was reverted, ForceFire, who reverted the edit, responded that I can't change something when no one has commented on it, but that they did not know whether or not I was right. Since there's still been no one who has pointed out a problem in my logic, can I make this change now, or do I still need to wait for someone to join in the conversation?

Secondly, I added a parallel trivia point to Gallade and Froslass similar to parallel trivia points found on pages such as [[Phanpy]] or [[Gothita]], only for ForceFire to remove it because it's "opinion". I could understand the trivia point being unnecessary, but I'm not sure why it's considered opinion when several other examples of nearly identical trivia points are not.

I hope this doesn't come off as rude or snarky since I really am just curious and would like to understand better so that I don't make the same mistakes (though I'm aware that I tend to phrase things in ways that come across as impolite and have yet to improve). Thanks! [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
:Continuity of characters is pretty standard. Caterpie is a character. By growing, it can become Metapod. It's somewhat more weird to think they introduced an entirely different Metapod and didn't point it out at all than it is to think that Caterpie just evolved. If they show both at the same time, or if they explicitly say that they're different Pokemon, then fine; but otherwise, the reasonable assumption is that they're the same.
:The sort of trivia on Phanpy's page hinges (''strongly'') on the fact that it and its "counterpart" are exclusive to different games in a pair. This is not true of either Gallade or Ralts; they're don't even "look" the same, with Ralts' family having three stages and Snorunt's having only two. You're welcome to draw the parallel and believe there's an intentional connection there, but that's your own "opinion". There's too little in the way of really good connecting points (some of the connections you try to point out just come off as reaching, especially after the first couple or so). It's mostly just coincidental. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:58, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
::I see... Thank you! [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 02:11, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding age of Black/White protagonists ==

Are you sure it should stay the way it is now? I feel like there there shouldn't be something definitively stated like that unless there's a source. There's no official source I can find that identifies them in that age range, even though the designers did most likely intend for them to be around that age, but if we're going by that we might as well add an estimated age for every protagonist, which I don't think is a good idea. Most of them don't have an official age. I just think it's probably be better to be consistent and not list an age for the protagonist unless it's definitively stated somewhere (unless you want to consider what the scenario writer said as applying to the final game and change it to 16). P.S. I apologize in advance if I did something wrong by making a new section here rather than putting this in the previous one I made. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 12:31, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:It seems one way or another I missed when the "14-" was added again, that much was not appropriate actually. The Twitter source in the trivia is at least *a* source, so we'll keep those there for now. I'll consult with other staff, though, and double-check if we should remove it after all and just leave it in the trivia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:46, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
::Thank you. I assumed you/the other admins were okay with it since it was left alone for a month and you reverted my edit back to it. Sorry about that. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 12:53, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:::I actually forgot I had touched any of that over a month ago. =P And removing the age entirely is a big step, which I didn't adequately understand until your message here. (And then I looked into the histories again and...the rest is history? Pun intended.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:02, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

== Re:Thunder ==

I only added it in the meantime just for an early start. Not because of the demo version. I was just trying to help.--[[User:CoolPokeGuy|CoolPokéGuy]] ([[User talk:CoolPokeGuy|Talk]]) 12:15, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

== So I may have found an interesting piece of material. ==

I was looking on the internet not too long ago, and I came across a [http://psro.web.fc2.com/psro/appearance/appearance/higana.jpg Nintendo Dream article] (apparently the same as the one where Mega Flygon was revealed to not be a thing) that interviewed Game Freak about Zinnia. According to what some people have translated, the "Aster is a Draconid" plot wasn't made up by Pokespe and is actually canon to the games, but was not put in as a way to keep players guessing. I was just wondering if it wouldn't be impossible to add it to either character's articles, but I just wanted a second opinion. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 14:10, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
:''According to the head scenario writer, Zinnia herself has no special powers, she's just a normal person. One day, Zinnia inherits her position from Aster, a person with special powers, but she never had the powers of a lorekeeper herself. Zinnia does what she can as a "powerless (/helpless) person", and that's one of the core themes of the Delta Episode.''
:Man, they absolutely, completely buried that whole angle, then. I like that there's actually some authoritative word on Aster in the games.
:Can you link the original page that image was on? I'd really like if we can reference the exact issue that's from. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:51, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
::[http://psro.web.fc2.com/psro/appearance/poken-appearance-special.html Here you go.] It's a new entry, so it's listed at the top as well as the very bottom. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 15:24, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
:::I've added the information into [[Zinnia]] and [[Aster]] after finding a reference with more complete scans. If you see any way it needs improvement, please feel free. ^^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:25, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

== Water Shuriken ==

Now that the Ash-Greninja sprite is up, do you think you can add it to the Water Shuriken page? --[[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 17:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
:We hardly know anything about who learns what and how for Gen VII. And even less for Ash-Greninja. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:49, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

== Editing categories ==

How do I edit the contents of a category? Specifically, I want to add harvest to {{cat|Abilities affected by weather conditions}}. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:33, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
:If you want to add a page, like Harvest, to a category, then you need to edit Harvest and add a line that says "this belongs in that category", basically like [[Special:Diff/2521587|this]]. Note that this is at almost the very bottom of the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:42, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

== Litten name origin ==

I apologize if I didn't follow the proper procedure for the talk page, but I wanted to confirm what was being done. I was replying to a specific comment within the discussion, which was indented differently from the comments at the end of the thread. Putting it at the end makes it look like a non-sequitur, since the comments it follows are going in a different direction. That's how it's handled on other wikis, but Bulbapedia has its own rules on the matter and if that's how it should be done, I will make an effort to ensure that I follow them more properly next time. Thank you. --[[User:KingStarscream|KingStarscream]] ([[User talk:KingStarscream|talk]]) 03:50, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

== Unnecessary redirects ==

Hello, what is considered an unnecessary redirect? I know that {{redlink|Victorybell}} to [[Victreebel (Pokémon)]] isn't necessary as that has been deleted once, but how about Type:Null? Shouldn't this with the criteria given for the aforementioned exemple's deletion be counted as an unnecessary redirect and therefore be deleted? I'm asking because I recently marked the mentioned page for deletion but it was reverted by another useer, I don't want to start an edit war so I came directly to you. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 13:25, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
:We don't need any redirects with the disambiguating "Pokémon", with or without the accent in "Pokemon". These will only encourage mislinking, and the wiki finds titles with or without accents just fine currently with its search function. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:41, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
::Then [Type:Null (Pokemon)] is unnecessary in two ways. Could you or anyone in the staff then please delete it? --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 14:14, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

==Opinion on something==
Although it looks like the Alola Starter's final evolutions look like they are taking a similar approach as the Kalos Starter's final evolutions in terms of secondary type, I don't think that the trivia piece should be updated as Incineroar would only take regular damage from Fairy-type moves as Fire resists Fairy. Do you agree with me on this? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 15:28, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:Ghost and Fairy have completely neutral interactions. That breaks down any triangle already. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:32, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
::Okay. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 15:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

== Alola to Hawaii comparisons ==

Hello! I felt like posting here would be better to explain most of the Hawaii cultural references being presented in Sun and Moon's locations.
So yes, every island has a color associated with them. I think the earliest traces of this scheme is back in the 1970s during the revitalization of the Hawaiian culture, so its more of a modern thing than something from ancient Hawaii. But you can ask anyone who has attended school here in the past 30 years and it is safe to say that it is very common knowledge, especially with young elementary schoolers. Every island has a Lei that is used to represent that island. In turn, the colors of that Lei are used to represent the island as well. Here's a list of the major Islands with their Lei and associated colors:

*{{wp|Hawaii (island)|Big Island}} - {{wp|Metrosideros polymorpha|ōhiʻa lehua}} - ʻUlaʻula (red)
*{{wp|Maui}} - {{wp|Rosa × damascena|lokelani/roselani}} - ʻĀkala (Pink)
*{{wp|Oahu|Oʻahu}} - {{wp|Sida fallax|'Ilima}} - Melemele (Yellow)
*{{wp|Kauai|Kauaʻi}} - {{wp|Melicope|Mokihana}} - Poni (Purple)

The other four island not mentioned above also have lei and colors associated with them. I say lei and not flowers since Moloka'i and Ni'ihau's leis are not flower leis. Moloka'i's lei is prominently a vine with leaves rather than the flowers and Ni'ihau's lei is a shell necklace. In terms of finding most of the Hawaii geographical and cultural references/names, I have a pretty good grasp of most of them since I speak Hawaiian and I've lived here all my life.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 22:48, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:Half my "concern" was just how I'd add it to the page. It'd be easy to just say it's the island's "official color" after all. ^^ From your contributions and your approach so far, I'm inclined to believe you (especially when I can see the same info on Wikipedia, certainly =P ).
:I was also kind of thinking the other islands flowers might give a clue about where the other trial captains go, but for the ones we know for now at least, it looks like we're not that lucky. =( [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:55, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
::Nah, it's fine. But at the very basic level, the island colors are pretty common knowledge to those who live in Hawaii. "Official" might not be the correct word, but it is the "associated" color. And the general geography of each island seems to match some of the island's notable feature. Poni Island looks likes it has a canyon, which matches Kaua'i which has the Waimea Canyon, and Ula'ula island has the large mountain/volcano covered in snow, which is most likely Mauna Kea.
::TBH, I'm just passionate about helping out with information regarding Alola since it is Hawaii and i'm trying my best to get as much information out there of how much of a job Gamefreak is doing to make references to Hawaii. I just chime in whenever I see something related to Hawaii and the language just to put it out there (like Tapu Lele today). If you need to confirm any of the Hawaiian based names, I'd say to first visit wehewehe.org which is a free Hawaiian dictionary website so you can look up just about any Hawaiian word on there and its completely trustworthy as it was made using the University of Hawaii at Manoa's Hawaiian department and several masters of the Hawaiian language. It allows you to put in english words or the hawaiian word and find the word/meaning for the other.
::Anyways, if you need any help with the confirmation of any facts given, I am more than willing to help. Though I wonder if the names of the Alola cities will be the Hawaiian words for emotions. I suppose we'll have to wait until we find more cites.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 23:13, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Wehewehe.org is absolutely a place I've been looking. =) I didn't look into the background, but that's nice to know. I'm liking Game Freak's strong Hawaiian inspirations too. It's great that someone's hanging around who has a solid knowledge of the things the new games are based on. I'm sure it'll be very easy for us to screw something up or miss something, and then we'll be glad you're around. =P
:::As for the colors and stuff, I found the right page on Wikipedia to follow a citation to what appear to be Hawaiian legislature minutes (or something like that), so I've found the "proper" terminology I wanted. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:24, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Oh, that's pretty neat! I didn't realize how recent the "officiation" of the colors are. You learn something new everyday. Anyways, I suppose that's it for me. I don't really have much issues with any other pages at the moments that have some Hawaiian basis.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 23:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

== Autotomize ==

Replied on my own talk page after over a week, but I realized you're not likely to see it there... anyway, I was given an info tooltip (on the lower touchscreen) during the totem Hakamo-o battle, and that's where I found the description for the ability. Operating purely on memory here, don't have my 3DS with me today, but I believe that's correct. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 06:53, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

== Power vs. damage ==

'''Terrains''': Concerning affecting power vs. damage, am I allowed to change the current wording of the Terrains to what the Tapus' promo sites now support with their wording?

'''Minimize''': It's insane and frustrating: Stomp apparently went from doubling in nothing (Gen I), to power (II), to damage (III), to power (IV), to damage (V). (To quote Dragonflycave: "It's clear Game Freak doesn't care where or how some given multiplier is applied in the formula.") Anyway, according to UPC, it's consistent within one generation (and my user page should be accurate there now).

The problem is that {{m|Astonish}} or {{m|Heat Crash}}, for example, apparently never actually really "powered up". So, the way I understand it, there's a problem with the category. I can think of the following to remedy this:
# Rename the category to either (a) "Moves that become stronger against a Minimized opponent/target" or (b) "Moves that never miss against a Minimized opponent/target", and remove its "Moves that power up" parent category. And then add all moves that double(d) in power to "Moves that power up" ''as well''.
# Leave the category as is, just don't include Astonish etc.
# Leave the category as is, just add the moves anyway.{{tt|*|Do we (do I?) actually care tooooo much?}}
I'd be going for 1a (over 1b because that is the more used effect). Can I do that, should I do that? (Maybe there's something better you have in mind.)

Also, related: Is it okay to change any Gen VI Minimize-related "doubles power" to "doubles damage"? In Gen V, it was all damage ''according to UPC'', and assuming that they're all the same and unchanged in Gen VI seems the next best reasonable assumption anyway. (And my personal impression is that they began to care more for consistency somewhere in Gen IV or V.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:29, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:In the absence of other reliable information, if an effect is officially described as affecting power or damage (or whatnot), then we can assume that applied previously as well.
:So...Astonish has a Minimize effect in Gen III that's never been noted, and we don't know what specifically Heat Crash does for its Minimize effect since that was introduced in Gen VI and Minimize is so unreliable in this mechanic... You're right, we should probably make it "Moves that become stronger against a Minimized target" and put "Moves that power up" anywhere where that was the specific effect for some time. (This vacillating group is certainly tempting me about a category for moves that get modified damage.)
:And yes, unless/until it can be proven otherwise, the reasonable assumption is that things in one generation carry forward the same into the next generation. (This actually applies exactly the same to the first part about the Terrains, just a little backwards. Assume Gen VI carried forward into Gen VII, and if the Terrains weren't specific about their effect in Gen VI but are in Gen VII, then that reasonably means that that's what was happening in Gen VI...until/unless proven otherwise.)
:[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:01, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
::So, that's a go for me to move the category? Or you still thinking? (Btw, "Moves that [can] become stronger" is also my best bet for the super category you've been thinking about.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:22, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes, the category should be changed and/or moved. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:50, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

== Vex templates ==

I'm a little confused, and I want to make sure I'm understanding right before I finish making the Vex7 page. I checked the previous 5 and they all show the correct image for the first Pokémon in that generation - I thought it was a display example for the template page, rather than a functional aspect. Am I missing something? [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 18:16, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
:First, a big note: please understand that templates must be created in the userspace and then approved for the mainspace. (In case you weren't aware.)
:It looks like Vex5 is a very odd mismatch actually, but I see what you mean otherwise, it didn't occur to me to check other versions of it. Anyway, it can kind of go either way really. ...I guess I'll just edit 5/6 so they're all defaulting the same. That's the easy solution for now. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:25, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
::I'm looking closer now and I may be changing my mind actually. Anyway, if you're creating a userpage, it can easily be edited before mainspacing if necessary. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:29, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh shoot, I'm sorry, I didn't realize. I'll undo my edit to the Game exclusives page for now so the template isn't being "used", but I believe I added all the Alolan forms correctly. Wasn't sure how to add Lycanroc without it having a # yet. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 18:45, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
:::Also, not sure of your opinion on this, but I believe Vex5 had Victini because it was technically the first Pokémon in the region, with the starters coming after because Victini was #000. I can see it either way, though, as there's a nice consistency in keeping all the grass starters for those templates. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 18:50, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
::::If Vex5 wanted Victini it should have said "Victini" instead of "Snivy". =P (I don't ''really'' care either way, though, it was just simplest for now.)
::::Your template has been moved to [[User:Draceon/Vex7]] for now. Also be aware that pages intended for the mainspace should have the {{template|mainspace}} template at the top of the page, and if they are complete, the template should additionally have the parameter ''status=complete'' set.
::::Also, I'm not sure how much you're aware, but just in case/generally: try to make use of the preview button as often as you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:59, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'm using previews quite often, as I have experience on some other wikis (SU, but especially MSPA), but I appreciate the advice. If I wasn't, my personal table project would've taken a significant number more edits than it has so far. If I seem to be forgetting important aspects often, it's most likely I'm unfamiliar with some of Bulbapedia's templates, and as with the gender page fiasco the other day, I was breaking my edits down by section. Sorry again for that. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 19:05, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::I didn't close the table on the Version Exclusives page, I see why you said that now. It didn't show up in the preview because I was editing from the previous section, so the next sections didn't show up in the preview. I see how that happened. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 19:29, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
::::::I understand what happened on that page actually. I was saying it more for the Vex7 page you created (which definitely doesn't look like the previous templates, though I haven't currently looked close enough to understand why), as well as your previous userpage edits (which probably *could* have been saved in one single edit if you did enough previewing). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:50, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That's a fair analysis. Fwiw I'm not sure what's wrong with my Vex7 template, either. As far as I'm aware I copied the Vex6 template exactly and modified/added as needed, but it looks like I must have changed some key element which I haven't found yet to accidentally create the weird space around Rowlet's image. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 20:20, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

== Stephanie Sheh confirmed her voice ==

https://twitter.com/stephaniesheh/status/794341720380973056 There. Stephanie Sheh proofed that she voiced Cheryl. Happy? --[[User:Cameron33268110|Cameron33268110]] ([[User talk:Cameron33268110|talk]]) 01:09, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
:That's perfect, thank you! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:18, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

== Image switching ==

Hi, I was just wondering a number of things about the form-change images that are basically coded to switch every few hours (or the like, I'm not familiar with what the code is actually saying), or every month in Deerling's case. I noticed these in the type pages thanks to the table I'm working on in my userspace, and basically I'm not sure what the parameters are that we're making these decisions? It makes sense for Megas to be separate images/sections entirely, for obvious reasons like different abilities, types, etc. But I noticed that Shellos and Gastrodon are just separate images, instead of switching, whereas gender differences like Jellicent and Unfezant use that method. Some gender differences are incredibly subtle, but depending where we draw the line we could potentially include, say, Hippowdon. I'm not sure if these thumbnail images come from specific official sources / only show certain variations, is another thing. At the very least, I think Burmy's image should do the same thing, if not other form-difference Pokémon like Unown or Deoxys. I'd be willing to work on it myself, I'm just not sure where to start looking, like to see if the files even exist. Was hoping you could offer advice / mostly wondering your opinion on me going ahead and making some other Pokémon have switching icons. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 05:15, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
:Going off what you say (and not looking deeply into it myself), genders are not forms, so that is probably why those icons are not displayed separately like Megas and other forms. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:38, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
::Just popping in briefly to point out that we removed many of our switches years ago and just finished clearing out the form-related ones earlier this year, so ''if'' any change is made, shouldn't we err on the side of removing switches rather than adding more? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:38, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
:::That was on individual species pages, this is type pages, they are not really the same thing and should not be hastily painted with the same brush. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:44, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

== How do I use the menu sprite for Meloetta pirouette? ==

Right now, the only way I know to use a menu sprite is to type <nowiki>{{MSP|648|Meloetta}}</nowiki>. Doing it for Meloetta always causes its aria sprite to appear.

{{MSP|648|Meloetta}}

So how do I display the menu sprite of its pirouette form? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:20, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
:{{MSP|648P|Meloetta}} Like that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:43, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

== Malva & The Ambiguity of Death ==

Hey, sorry for the profanity; I let my utter hatred of Malva cloud the judgment.

But... I do understand the fact that you can't confirm anything unless it's said so. That being said, you look at this: [https://i.imgur.com/RJ8j05b.jpg]

And you do have to fight the urge to say "She's dead!" because you don't normally fall hundreds of feet onto a pile of jagged rocks and just walk away (plus, blood coming out your head...). Plus, that last panel sort of depicts the remainder of the Kalos Elite Four more or less holding & viewing her as if she was deceased.

Though, I'm certain they'll bring her back to life somehow.

Anyway, that little spiel aside; I'm actually a worthy contributor and want to take part as best as I can. Just wanted to get the "Angry" garbage out in one take and be levelheaded afterward.

--[[User:Vulcanos|Vulcanos]] ([[User talk:Vulcanos|talk]]) 18:50, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Malva

2016-11-05T19:07:55Z

Vulcanos:

{{spoilers}}
{{CharInfobox|
color={{fire color}} |
corecolor={{fire color light}} |
bordercolor={{fire color dark}} |
name=Malva|
jname=パキラ|
tmname=Pachira|
image=XY Malva.png |
size=100px |
caption=Artwork from X and Y|
age=no|
colors=yes|
eyes=Orange|
hair=Pink|
gender=Female|
hometown=Unknown|
region=[[Kalos]]|
relatives=Unknown|
trainer=yes|
trainerclass={{tc|Elite Four}} [[Pokémon Trainer]] {{tc|Duchess}}{{tt|*|Battle Chateau}} |
game=yes|
generation={{gen|VI}}|
games={{pkmn|X and Y}} {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}{{tt|*|Holo Caster}} |
leader=no|
elite=yes|
league=Pokémon League (Kalos)|
specialist=yes|
type={{t|Fire}} types|
team=yes |
teamname=[[Team Flare]]{{tt|*|Games and manga, formerly in the anime}} |
teamrank=Unknown|
brain=no|
anime=yes|
epnum=XY092|
epname=Cloudy Fate, Bright Future!|
enva=Samara Naeymi|
java=[[Akeno Watanabe]] |
}}
'''Malva''' (Japanese: '''パキラ''' ''Pachira'') is a {{pkmn|Master}} {{type|Fire}} {{pkmn|Trainer}} and member of the [[Kalos]] [[Elite Four]] and formerly [[Team Flare]].

==In the games==
In [[Pokémon X and Y]], Malva appears as an [[Elite Four]] Trainer of [[Kalos]]. She is a news reporter and a self-proclaimed star of the [[Holo Caster]]. In addition to this, she is a member of [[Team Flare]] and expresses animosity towards the player for the team's defeat. Although her rank in Team Flare is unknown (she never battled the player as a member of Team Flare), she does know classified information.

She also appears in the Lumiose City [[Looker]] sidequests, in which she and Looker help the player stop [[Xerosic]]'s plans.

===Pokémon===
====[[Pokémon X and Y]]====
====={{kal|Pokémon League}}=====
{{Party/Single
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|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|sprite=VSMalva.png
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|classlink=Elite Four
|name=Malva
|game=XY
|location=Pokémon League (Kalos)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=4}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=668
|pokemon=Pyroar
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|level=63
|type1=Fire|type2=Normal
|ability=Rivalry
|move1=Hyper Voice|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flamethrower|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Wild Charge|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Noble Roar|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|game=XY
|ndex=324
|pokemon=Torkoal
|gender=female
|level=63
|type1=Fire
|ability=White Smoke
|move1=Curse|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Status
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Stone Edge|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Flame Wheel|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|color={{fire color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|game=XY
|ndex=609
|pokemon=Chandelure
|gender=female
|level=63
|type1=Ghost|type2=Fire
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Flamethrower|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Ball|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Confuse Ray|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Status
|move4=Confide|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|game=XY
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|gender=female
|level=65
|type1=Fire|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Brave Bird|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flare Blitz|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Flail|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]]=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fire color}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|sprite=VSMalva.png
|size=150px
|prize={{PDollar}}11,000{{tt|*|16,500 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Duchess
|name=Malva
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|locationname=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=3}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=668
|pokemon=Pyroar
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|level=55
|type1=Fire|type2=Normal
|ability=Rivalry
|move1=Hyper Voice|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flamethrower|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Wild Charge|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Noble Roar|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|game=XY
|ndex=609
|pokemon=Chandelure
|gender=female
|level=55
|type1=Ghost|type2=Fire
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Flamethrower|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Ball|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Confuse Ray|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Status
|move4=Confide|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|game=XY
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|gender=female
|level=55
|type1=Fire|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Brave Bird|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flare Blitz|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Flail|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] - Blue Writ of Challenge=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=VSMalva.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}9,000{{tt|*|13,500 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Duchess
|name=Malva
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=3}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=668
|pokemon=Pyroar
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|level=45
|type1=Fire|type2=Normal
|ability=Rivalry
|move1=Flamethrower|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Endeavor|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Echoed Voice|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=609
|pokemon=Chandelure
|gender=female
|level=45
|type1=Ghost|type2=Fire
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Hex|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flame Burst|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Confuse Ray|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Status
|move4=Smog|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|gender=female
|level=45
|type1=Fire|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Razor Wind|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Special
|move2=Natural Gift|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flame Charge|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] - Writ of Challenge=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=VSMalva.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}12,000{{tt|*|18,000 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Duchess
|name=Malva
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=3}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=668
|pokemon=Pyroar
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|level=60
|type1=Fire|type2=Normal
|ability=Rivalry
|move1=Crunch|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Hyper Voice|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Special
|move3=Incinerate|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Overheat|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=609
|pokemon=Chandelure
|gender=female
|level=60
|type1=Ghost|type2=Fire
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Hex|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flame Burst|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Confuse Ray|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Status
|move4=Smog|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|gender=female
|level=60
|type1=Fire|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Me First|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Tailwind|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Status
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] - Red Writ of Challenge=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=VSMalva.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}13,000{{tt|*|19,500 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Duchess
|name=Malva
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=3}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=668
|pokemon=Pyroar
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|level=65
|type1=Fire|type2=Normal
|ability=Rivalry
|move1=Crunch|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Hyper Voice|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Special
|move3=Incinerate|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Overheat|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=609
|pokemon=Chandelure
|gender=female
|level=65
|type1=Ghost|type2=Fire
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Hex|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flame Burst|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Confuse Ray|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Status
|move4=Smog|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|gender=female
|level=65
|type1=Fire|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Me First|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Tailwind|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Status
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brave Bird|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] - Black Writ of Challenge=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=VSMalva.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}15,000{{tt|*|22,500 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Duchess
|name=Malva
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=3}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=668
|pokemon=Pyroar
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|level=75
|type1=Fire|type2=Normal
|ability=Rivalry
|move1=Crunch|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Hyper Voice|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Special
|move3=Incinerate|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Overheat|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=609
|pokemon=Chandelure
|gender=female
|level=75
|type1=Ghost|type2=Fire
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Hex|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flame Burst|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Confuse Ray|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Status
|move4=Smog|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|gender=female
|level=75
|type1=Fire|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Me First|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Tailwind|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Status
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brave Bird|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Hotel Richissime]]=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fire color}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|sprite=VSMalva.png
|size=150px
|prize={{PDollar}}12,600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|classlink=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Malva
|game=XY
|location=Hotel Richissime
|pokemon=1}}
|style="margin:auto"|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=668
|pokemon=Pyroar
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|level=63
|type1=Fire|type2=Normal
|ability=Rivalry
|move1=Hyper Voice|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flamethrower|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Wild Charge|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Noble Roar|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

===Quotes===
===={{g|X and Y}}====
;[[Poké Ball Factory]] ([[Holo Caster]])
:''"We're bringing you this special bulletin. The Poké Ball Factory in the area around Laverre City has been attacked. The identities of those involved are unknown. However, this is not expected to have any effect on the sales of [[Poké Ball]]s..."''

;{{kal|Pokémon League}}
* First time entering the main hall
:''"You're the illustrious <{{player}}>, are you? Welcome at last to the Pokémon League. I am one of the [[Elite Four]]. People know me as the Fire-type-Pokémon user, Malva. Here in the Pokémon League, you'll encounter the four of us--the Elite Four--and our {{pkmn|Champion}}. If you hope to meet the Champion and challenge her here, you must first defeat the four of us. Do your best, because if you can't impress us with your real strength, you'll never get to battle her. But it should be a walk in the park for you, right? The "{{ga|Calem|hero}}"/"{{ga|Serena|heroine}}" who destroyed big, bad [[Team Flare]]."''

* Before battle (first time)
:''"Welcome, challenger, to my Blazing Chamber! I am Malva, and I shall be your opponent today."''

* Before battle ([[rematch]])
:''"Oh, I can't tell you how happy I am to meet you again... I feel like my heart might just burst into flames. I'm burning up with my hatred for you, runt!"

* Being defeated
:''"What news... So a new challenger has defeated Malva of the Elite Four!"''

* After being defeated (first time)
:''"Fantastic. Utterly fantastic. I'll report to all the world the news of you and your Pokémon dominating the Pokémon League! I AM a Holo Caster star, after all. Heh, I'm such a busy woman... "''

* After being defeated (rematch)
:''"Oooh, you wicked little Trainer! You're just too much, you know? You're so amusing that I just want to burn you up where you stand! But I'll let you live.... After all... If you want your dreams to come true, you have to be strong enough to force them to happen. Team Flare wasn't strong enough to do that, but I can see that you are."''

* General afterword (if chosen first)
:''"Three more members of the Elite Four stand between you and the Champion. Take that elevator there to return to the main hall if you're ready for them."''

* General afterword (if chosen second)
:''"Beat the last two members of the Elite Four, and you can face the Champion."''

* General afterword (if chosen third)
:''"If you beat the last of the Elite Four, you'll face the Champion."''

* General afterword (if chosen last)
:''"You'll be facing down the Champion next."''

;[[Battle Chateau]]
* Before battle
:''"I am the Duchess Malva, and I shall be your opponent today."''

* Being defeated
:''"You have secured a noble victory over Malva of the Elite Four!"''

* After being defeated
:(if giving the player an item) ''"Take this with you when you go. I selected it particularly for you."''
:''"Oooh, you wicked little Trainer, you! I will definitely remember this battle!"''

*After defeating the player
:''"I am delighted! Yes, delighted that I could squash you beneath my heel."''

;[[Lumiose City]] ([[Looker]] Chapter 4)
* On the Holo Caster, in the {{DL|Lumiose City|Looker Bureau}}
:''"We bring you a special bulletin... Late last night, an intruder broke into the [[Lumiose Museum]] and damaged a painting. Museum staff said that security is very tight and breaking into the museum is impossible. The culprit remains at large."''

* On the Holo Caster, after exiting the Lumiose Museum
:''"We have another special bulletin. Poké Ball thefts are rampant in Lumiose City. The thief strikes directly after Pokémon battles, when Trainers let their guard down. These crimes are thought to be the work of a single individual, but reports on the suspect's features vary greatly, so authorities are struggling to identify him--or her. These crimes are occurring in back alleys and in other places where there are few people around. Residents of Lumiose City should exercise caution."''

;[[Lumiose City]] (Looker Chapter 5)
* At [[Hotel Richissime]]
:''"Took you long enough, <player>. It may happen that I have need of your services, but I expect you to keep in mind how valuable my time is! Oh, never mind! Just fight me! I can't possibly have a reasonable discussion when my emotions are so inflamed!"''
::'''Yes:''' ''"I'm burning up with rage!"''
::'''No:''' ''"You're only adding fuel to the fire!"''
:* Upon being defeated
::''"Hmph!"''
:* After being defeated
::''"Enough for now. I brought you here for a reason. The first issue is the identity of the Trainer called Essentia. In truth, she is simply a young girl called [[Emma]], wearing a piece of special technology dubbed the Expansion Suit. The Expansion Suit was created by Dr. [[Xerosic]]. I can see that name means something to you. You remember him, I take it. ...One of Team Flare's scientists. This brings me to my request, young man/lady. Make sure Xerosic disappears. I don't care how. If you need a reason, call it honor among thieves... Even we in Team Flare had our sense of pride. You may have disagreed with us, but we were doing what we thought right. I won't let him sully our honor now. The hero of Kalos would hardly wish for that girl Emma to keep staining her hands with these crimes as Essentia. If you want to help the girl, you need to put a stop to Xerosic. And that I can help you with! If we leave now, we should find him at Lysandre Café. Don't dawdle. Be ready to face death if you go. Prepare well if you want a shot at surviving."''
:* If spoken to again, she repeats her last four lines.

* At {{DL|Lumiose City|Lysandre Café}}
:''"Oh my. Aren't you a speedy one? Score one for you. I do so hate to be kept waiting. Come on. I'll show you the way."''

* At [[Lysandre Labs]]
:''"You'll find Xerosic in the lab. It's a secret floor that only certain admins know about."''
:''"You'll need to take the elevator. I'll just enter the special password on this panel here... And voilà! Now you have access to the secret floor of Lysandre Labs. You should find Xerosic and his Essentia there. The rest I leave to you. The secret floor has the same layout as this one. You defeated Team Flare once, right? Then this should be a piece of cake. Oh. And one last thing... Tell that [[Looker|partner of yours]]... Tell that infuriating man... Yes, tell him I fulfilled my end of the bargain. And he should keep in mind what will happen to him if he doesn't do the same. Good day."''

;Events (Holo Caster)
* StreetPass News!
:"''On <date>, you encountered <number> Pokémon players. You received <number> [[Poké Mile|PM]] to commemorate this! You have met <number> people via StreetPass! You have earned a total of <number> Poké Miles since you started playing!''"

* Special {{p|Torchic}}!
:"''Big news for all you Trainers out there! Connect to the Internet before January 15, 2014, to receive Torchic with a Blazikenite! This [[Mega Stone]] is needed for {{p|Blaziken}} to [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]]. Connecting and receiving Torchic is easy, so do not miss this chance to give Mega Evolution a try! Evolve Torchic into Blaziken and use Blazikenite to Mega Evolve! For more details, check the official Pokémon website!''"

* Winter Regionals!
:"''The 2014 Pokémon Winter Regional Championships are underway! Play both Pokémon TCG and video games in cities across the United States! Winter Regionals will be held on the weekends of Jan. 11, 18, and 25, 2014. TCG events are usually on Saturday and video game events usually on Sunday. You can win booster packs, trophies, and a huge step toward a National Championships travel award! See the official Pokémon website for a list of cities and details. Good luck!''"

* Fun PGL update!
:"''There's a new attraction at the PGL PokéMileage Club! Play Balloon Popping and obtain prizes to evolve Pokémon! Visit before 3 p.m. EST March 3rd, 2014, to receive a Discount Coupon for a 50% price break on a single visit to an in-game boutique when you purchase one or more items for your outfit in your Pokémon X or Pokémon Y game. You only get one free coupon per game, so use it at your favorite boutique! Go grab a coupon, pop some balloons, and enjoy this fun update!''"

* Pokémon Bank Open!
:''"The [[Pokémon Bank]] application is now available on Nintendo eShop! With it, you can deposit, store, and manage your Pokémon in private [[Pokémon Storage System|Boxes]] on the Internet, and then transfer them to and from your Pokémon X or Pokémon Y games. When you download Pokémon Bank, you may also download the new [[Poké Transporter]] application, which allows you to transfer Pokémon from [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black, Pokémon White,]] [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon Black 2, or Pokémon White 2]] to their own Boxes. Explore every feature of Pokémon Bank during a no-obligation 30-day trial. This trial is only available until Friday, March 14, 2014, at 11:59 p.m. PST.''"

* Spring Regionals!
:''"The Spring Regional Championships are underway! Play both Pokémon TCG and video games in cities across the United States! Spring Regionals will be held on the weekends of April 5th and 12th, 2014. Usually, TCG events are held on Saturday and video game events on Sunday. See the official Pokémon website for details and a list of cities. Good luck!"''

* April Friendly!
:''"The 2014 April Friendly Online Competition starts soon! Don't miss it! Space is limited to the first 50,000 people to sign up! Registration begins on April 17 at 00:00 UTC. Stay tuned for rules, sign-up instructions, and more details!''"

* Register now!
:''"The 2014 April Friendly is here! Put your Kalos Pokémon to the test in this Online Competition! The battle format is Single Battle, and every Pokémon from the Kalos Pokédex is included. There's a limit of 50,000 people for this competition, so sign up now at www.pokemon.com/pgl to reserve your place! Registration is open from April 17 at 00:00 UTC to April 24 at 23:59 UTC!''"

* Good clean fun!
:''"There's a new attraction at the PGL PokéMileage Club! Play Graffiti Eraser and obtain fun and useful items that you can send to your Pokémon X or Pokémon Y game the next time you use [[Game Sync]]. Give Graffiti Eraser a try today!"''

* Challenge May!
:''"The 2014 International Challenge May is the latest Online Competition open to all Pokémon X and Pokémon Y players around the world! Registration begins on Thursday, May 8, 2014, at 0:00:00 UTC and goes until 23:59:00 UTC on Thursday, May 15, 2014. Visit the PGL site for details at www.pokemon.com/pgl."''

* Rating Battle 4!
:''"Rating Battle Season 4, featuring Pokémon from the Kalos Pokédex in [[Inverse Battle|Inverse Single Battles]], is underway now! See the Pokémon Global Link Website for details and special rules. The current season ends July 21. Good luck!""

* June Challenge!
:''"The 2014 International Challenge June Online Competition starts soon! Don't miss it! Space is limited to the first 50,000 people to sign up! Registration begins on June 12 at 00:00 UTC. Stay tuned for rules, sign-up instructions, and more details!''"

* US Championships!
:''"The 2014 Pokémon US National Championships are coming soon! Play both Pokémon TCG and video games in Indianapolis, IN! The Pokémon US National Championships will be held on the July 4 weekend, with video game and TCG events held on both Saturday and Sunday. Test yourself against the best in the US and take a huge step toward the 2014 World Championships! Good luck!"''

* Register Now!
:''"The 2014 International Challenge June is here! Put your Pokémon to the test in this Online Competition! There's a limit of 50,000 people for this competition. You can sign up at www.pokemon.com/pgl to reserve your place! Registration is open from June 12 at 00:00 UTC to June 19 at 23:59 UTC!"''

* Eevee Friendly!
:''"Prepare your Eevee Evolutions for the newest tournament: The Eevee Friendly Online Competition! Registration is open from 00:00 UTC, July 3, 2014, until 23:59 UTC, July 10, 2014. All eight Eevee Evolutions are eligible to compete. Start evolving your Eevee now!''"

* Eevee Friendly!
:''"The Eevee Friendly, a new Online Competition, is open for registration! You can bring your Eevee and all eight Evolutions to compete in Rotation Battles against opponents from around the world! Registration is open from 00:00 UTC, July 3, 2014, until 23:59 UTC, July 10, 2014. Space is limited!"''

* Battle of Legends!
:''"Train now for the Battle of Legends! This new Online Competition features Double Battles and every Pokémon in the National Pokédex is eligible, except for Diancie, and your Pokémon do not need to have been caught in the Kalos region to be entered. Registration will begin on Thursday, July 17, 2014, 00:00 UTC.''"

* Battle of Legends!
:''"Register for the Battle of Legends! This new Online Competition features Double Battles and every Pokémon in the National Pokédex is eligible, except for Diancie, and your Pokémon do not need to have been caught in the Kalos region to be entered. Registration has begun but there is a limited number of slots available. Registration closes soon, on Thursday, July 24, 2014, 23:59 UTC.''"

* Old-School Blast!
:"''Rating Battle Season 5 begins with rules similar to the original Pokémon games on the Game Boy! You can compete in 6-on-6 Single Battles with no held items. Visit the Pokémon Global Link for more details. Have a blast from the past in Rating Battle Season 5!''"

* High-Speed Fun!
:"''The next big Online Competition is about to begin: Super Speed Double Battle! You can choose your moves quickly in this fast-paced format! Registration is open from 00:00 UTC, July 31, 2014, until 23:59 UTC, August 7, 2014. Have a fast Double Battle blast!''"

* Fast and Fun!
:"''Super Speed Double Battle registration has opened! Players can get ready for fast-paced fun against opponents from around the world! Registration is open from 00:00 UTC, July 31, 2014, until 23:59 UTC, August 7, 2014. Good Luck, Trainers!''"

* The Big Event!
:"''The 2014 Pokémon World Championships begin on August 16! Pokémon TCG and video game players from around the globe are headed to Washington, D.C., to compete for the title of World Champion! You can follow all the action at Pokemon.com/Worlds.''"

* Two Tough Pokémon
:"''Heracross and Pinser are coming to your game via Nintendo Network! Pokémon X players can get Heracross, and Pokémon Y players can get Pinsir. Info on how to get the Mega Stones so these Pokémon can Mega Evolve is available at the Pokémon Global Link. You can get Heracross and Pinsir via Nintendo Network till Sept. 17, 2014!''"

* Fairy Types Only!
:"''Get ready to battle with Fairy-type Pokémon only in the Fairy Face-Off! Compete in fun Single Battles with your best team of Fairy-type Pokémon! Registration is open from 00:00 UTC, September 18, 2014, until 23:59 UTC, September 25, 2014. Fairy type vs. Fairy type for the win!''"

* Fresh Strategies!
:"''Play in Rating Battle Season 6! Build a team of Pokémon less commonly used in battle! Use only Pokémon that weren't as popular in previous Rating Battle Seasons. Try out fresh strategies in thrilling double battles. Visit the Pokémon Global Link for more details. Get creative and have fun in Rating Battle Season 6!''"

* Fairy Types Only!
:"''Registration has opened for the Fairy Face-Off! Make your best Fairy-type team and compete in fun Single Battles! Registration is open until 23:59 UTC, September 25, 2014. Space is limited, so register today. Get ready for some Fairy-Type fun!''"

* Ghost-type Treat!
:"''The Trick-or-Treat Friendly is frightfully fun! Only Ghost-type Pokémon are allowed in your party. Every team must include a Super Size Gourgeist, too! Registration is open from 00:00 UTC, October 16, 2014, until 23:59 UTC, October 23, 2014. Have a scary good time in the Trick-or-Treat Friendly!''"

* Ghost-type Treat!
:"''Trick-or-Treat Friendly registration has opened! Only Ghost-type Pokémon are allowed in battle! Registration is open from 00:00 UTC, October 16, 2014, until 23:59 UTC, October 23, 2014. Hurry! Space is limited! Have a scary good time in the Trick-or-Treat Friendly!''"

* Spooky Pumpkaboo!
:"''Get in the Halloween spirit with the gift of a Pumpkaboo for your Pokémon X or Pokémon Y game. Super Size Pumpkaboo is a real challenge to catch in your game. Evolve it into Gourgeist and compete in the Trick-or-Treat Friendly! Super Size Pumpkaboo will be available via Nintendo Network until October 31, 2014! Have a happy Halloween with spooky Pumpkaboo!''"

* A Spirited Gengar!
:"''Shiny Gengar Haunts Pokémon X and Pokémon Y! Get a special code at participating stores to receive the Ghost-type Pokémon. It's holding a Gengarite, which will allow it to Mega Evolve! You can get a code card to get Shiny Gengar until October 26. Have frightful fun with Shiny Gengar! Visit the Pokémon Global Link for more details.''"

* Mythical Diancie!
:"''Get the brilliant Pokémon Diancie for Pokémon X or Pokémon Y via a special code card at participating retailers! You can pick up the code card between October 27 and November 16. Use the code in Pokémon X or Pokémon Y to download Diancie. Then transfer your Diancie to Pokémon Omega Ruby or Pokémon Alpha Sapphire (sold separately) and get a Mega Stone that will allow Diancie to Mega Evolve during battle! Don't miss the chance to get Diancie! Visit the Pokémon Global Link for more details.''"

* Berry Fun Battles!
:"''Play in Rating Battle Season 8! Compete in Double Battles where your Pokémon can hold only Berries! Pokémon Omega Ruby and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire Trainers will battle each other in their own separate league. Visit the Pokémon Global Link for more details. Battle to be your Berry best in Rating Battle Season 8!''"

* Fast and Fun!
:"''Compete in Rating Battle Season 9! Play in Single Battles where you have to decide your next moves quickly! Visit the Pokémon Global Link for more details. Play with speed and skill in Rating Battle Season 9, now under way!''"

* Turn the Tables!
:"''Compete in Rating Battle Season 10 where all battles are mind-bending Inverse Battles! Attacks that are usually super effective are not very effective, and vice-versa! All Battles will be Single Battles. Visit the Pokémon Global Link for more details. Go head over heels for Battle Season 10, now under way!''"

* Underdog Battles!
:"''Rating Battle Season 11 gives you a chance to shake up your team with Pokémon that are less commonly used! Any Pokémon that finished among the top 12 in the rankings during seasons 7 through 10 will not be allowed in this season's Special Format. Visit the Pokémon Global Link for more details and a list of restricted Pokémon. Take a fresh approach to building your team in Rating Battle Season 11!''"

* PGL Summer Deals!
:"''Head to the Pokémon Global Link and check out the PokéMileage Club Summer Sale today! All in-game items and PGL attractions use only half the usual Poké Miles! The PokéMileage Club Summer Sale runs only until August 3, 2015. Don't miss the chance to stock up on items for your Pokémon X, Pokémon Y, Pokémon Omega Ruby, or Pokémon Alpha Sapphire game. Visit the Pokémon Global Link today!''"

==Artwork==
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===Sprites===
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==In the anime==
[[File:Malva anime.png|thumb|220px|Malva in the anime]]
Malva debuted in ''[[XY092|Cloudy Fate, Bright Future!]]'', reporting that [[Professor Sycamore]] and his assistants were going to the [[Anistar City]] Sundial to investigate its connection to [[Mega Evolution]].

Malva first appeared in-person in ''[[SS035|Mega Evolution Special IV]]''. While [[Alain]] was about to begin his challenge with ten Mega Evolution Trainers, Malva questioned Lysandre on whether Alain would win with Lysandre responding that they should see. Malva then observed Alain during his battles with the Trainers Lysandre recruited and his interaction with [[Mairin]].

After Alain defeated nine Trainers, Malva entered the field as the final Trainer that Alain had to face. Alain immediately recognized her as a member of the Elite Four while Malva had heard about Alain's loss to [[Siebold]], another Elite Four member, earlier on. Both of the Trainers began their battle, pitting {{TP|Alain|Charizard}} versus her {{p|Houndoom}}. Although Malva put up a good fight, Alain finally emerged victorious with his Charizard's {{m|Blast Burn}}.
[[File:Alain and Malva.png|thumb|250px|left|Alain and Malva]]
She appeared again in ''[[XY125|A League of His Own!]]'', where she was shown broadcasting from the [[Lumiose Conference]], with {{TRT}}, who were in disguise and working for her as her camera, sound, and lighting assistants for the broadcasts. Then after {{Ash}} caught her eye, she went to interview him. She reappeared in ''[[XY126|Valuable Experience for All!]]'', where she continued to report on what had recently happened and was happening in the Conference.

She reappeared in ''[[XY127|Analysis Versus Passion!]]'' and ''[[XY128|A Riveting Rivalry!]]'', where she was seen watching Ash and [[Sawyer]]'s battle.

She reappeared in ''[[XY129|Kalos League Passion with a Certain Flare!]]'', where she interrupted Alain, who was training for his upcoming battle against Ash in the final battle of the Conference, and had a conversation with him. After the conversation, she walked away and scolded Team Rocket. She was later seen with Team Rocket, watching Ash and Alain walking towards each of their respective sides of the battlefield for the aforementioned battle.

She appeared again in ''[[XY130|Finals Not for the Faint-Hearted!]]'', where she watched the beginning of Ash and Alain's battle in the final round of the Lumiose Conference; and again in ''[[XY131|Down to the Fiery Finish!]]'', where she watched the end of the battle.

She reappeared in ''[[XY132|A Towering Takeover!]]'', where during Lumiose City's destruction, she walked away from Team Rocket, leaving them to film what was going on in the city by themselves.

She appeared again in ''[[XY134|The Right Hero for the Right Job!]]'', where she turns against Lysandre. She admitted that while she was not satisfied with the world as it was now, watching Alain and Ash inspired her and convinced her that as long as they, the adults, were able to teach the younger generation to lend a helping hand, the future is therefore worth fighting for. Lysandre merely rebuffed her and told her that if it was her decision, she should perish along with Ash and Alain. Later on, Malva was visibly impressed by Ash when he lectured Lysandre on why the current world is worth fighting for.

She appeared again in [[XY135]] and [[XY136]]. After helping in the massive battle against the [[Megalith Zygarde]], Malva promised [[Steven Stone]] that she would deal with the remaining Team Flare members and then turn herself in.

She appeared again in [[XY140]], during a flashback.

Malva was shown to have a close relationship with Lysandre. However, after witnessing how much Ash and Alain wanted to protect everyone from Lysandre's plan, her relationship with him ended and she decided to join them in their battle.

===Pokémon===
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Malva
|pkmn=Houndoom ↔ Mega Houndoom
|type1=Dark
|type2=Fire
|img=Malva Houndoom.png
|cap=Malva's Houndoom
|img2=Malva Mega Houndoom.png
|cap2=Malva's Mega Houndoom
|epnum=SS035
|epname=Mega Evolution Special IV
|vajp=Kiyotaka Furushima
|vaen=Kiyotaka Furushima
|desc={{p|Houndoom}} was used by Malva in her battle against [[Alain]] and his [[Alain's Charizard|Mega Charizard X]]. Mega Houndoom put up a good fight, but ended up being defeated by the Flame Pokémon's {{m|Blast Burn}}.

It reappeared Mega Evolved alongside its Trainer in ''[[XY134|The Right Hero for the Right Job!]]''.

It appeared again in [[XY135]] and [[XY136]], where it helped to destroy the [[Megalith Zygarde]].

It appeared again in [[XY140]], during a flashback.

Houndoom's known moves are {{m|Flamethrower}}, {{m|Smog}}, {{m|Crunch}}, and {{m|Dark Pulse}}, and its [[Ability]] as a Houndoom is {{a|Flash Fire}}.}}

===Voice actors===
{{vatable|color={{fire color}}|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|ja=渡辺明乃 ''[[Akeno Watanabe]]''
|en=Samara Naeymi
|es_eu=Amalia Cantarero
|pt_br=Silvia Goiabeira}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Malva Adventures.png|thumb|150px|Malva in Pokémon Adventures]]
Malva debuts in the {{chap|X & Y}} as a newscaster reporting the events of what happened in [[Vaniville Town]]. Instead of mentioning the chaos caused by {{p|Xerneas}} and {{p|Yveltal}}, she reports the destruction was caused by a large explosion. Another broadcast is later seen by [[Alexa]], who wonders why the media is ignoring the Legendary Pokémon. Malva first appears in person talking to a colleague of hers. She notes that after a recent movie debut, [[Diantha]] has decided to go on hiatus. As she had not done this in a while, Malva finds Diantha's behavior suspicious and decides to investigate Diantha to find out why she decided to do so.

Afterward, Malva returns to the Team Flare Secret HQ to resume her duties as a member of Team Flare. After chastising a Grunt for losing a clipboard containing information about the various Mega Stones located in Kalos, Malva digs in a container filled with the Poké Balls of Pokémon that were gathered after the Vaniville Town incident. Upon finding a box containing a Pokédex and a {{p|Fennekin}} she decides to keep the Fennekin for herself, but crushes the Pokédex under her heel. She then forces [[Aliana]] to return the Pyroar she had been borrowing from her, much to Aliana's frustration. Afterward, Malva borrows [[Celosia]]'s {{p|Aegislash}} and uses it to control several {{tc|Sky Trainer}}s to attack {{adv|X}} and his friends. Although Aegislash is defeated, Malva praises Aegislash's ability to control a large number of people due to Celosia's training. Celosia worries that they need to obtain X's Mega Ring so that [[Lysandre]] can use its Key Stone to Mega Evolve his {{p|Gyarados}}, but Malva points out that several other Mega Evolution Successors are currently on the run. Malva then decides to chase after the other Successors to obtain one of their Key Stones.

During Team Flare's operation to move the tree form of Xerneas to Team Flare's base, Malva watches the operation alongside Celosia and [[Emma|Essentia]]. They use the kidnapped residents of Vaniville Town as forced labor via mind control from Celosia's Aegislash. When X and his friends arrive, they attack Team Flare to rescue their neighbors and family members. X and Y are easily defeated and captured, allowing Celosia to try and finish them off. Just as she attacks X, Gurkinn, Korrina, and Diantha come to the rescue with their Mega-Evolved Pokémon. Malva immediately reveals herself and takes on Diantha alone while trapping her inside a {{m|Magic Room}}. Now isolated from the outside world, Malva reveals to Diantha her true nature as a member of Team Flare and begins attacking the Champion. Malva explains to Diantha that she is simply stalling for time while Team Flare manages to move Xerneas to their base. Although Y and Shauna attempt to break the barrier from the outside, their attempts fail and eventually the Magic Room sinks into the ground.

The victor of the battle is unknown, but Malva returns to the base after Xerneas has been successfully moved. She fashions the Key Stone Celosia stole from Korrina into a Mega Ring for Lysandre to wear as he prepares to begin absorbing Xerneas's energy to power the ultimate weapon. Later, X and his friend infiltrated the Team Flare Secret HQ in order to stop the ultimate weapon from being unleashed. Although he was unable to stop the weapon from being activated, X's battle against Lysandre caused Xerneas to awaken from its slumber. Xerneas allied itself with X and his friends and helped them escape back to the surface.

Xerneas later joined Y's team and teamed up with her to destroy the ultimate weapon, but was stopped by Malva, who appeared riding on top of Yveltal. Malva reveals that when Xerneas was still dormant, Yveltal slept underneath it in its cocoon form. When Malva went underground during her battle with Diantha, she found the sleeping Yveltal and obtained it. Malva attempted to have Yveltal attack the heroes, but Xerosic stops her by revealing that Lysandre ordered a ceasefire. Although Team Flare blamed the ultimate weapon's blast on X's friends and the Gym Leaders, their efforts did not fool every person in the region. To lay low from the public view, Team Flare relocated to the [[Pokémon Village]].

After X and his friends learn where Team Flare went into hiding, they travel to the village to stop the villains for good. On the way, Xerosic attacks X and his friends with a trap. Diantha manages to escape from the trap and goes ahead to the village while the others deal with Xerosic. Before she can get there, Diantha is intercepted by Malva, who proceeds to attack Diantha. Diantha blocks Malva's attack, only to find that Malva managed to snatch her Mega Charm away. Malva then takes to the skies, forcing Diantha to follow after her with her {{TP|Diantha|Gardevoir}}.

The chase takes them to the skies above the Pokémon Village. When Y sees the two fighting, she helps Diantha by having [[Fletchy]] burn Malva's hand to force her to drop the Mega Charm. Although Y attempts to assist with battling Malva, Diantha refuses her offer and chooses to battle against Malva alone. After some time, Malva witnesses Lysandre as he is being defeated. This distraction allows Diantha's Gardevoir to get a hit on Talonflame, which causes it to drop Malva. Diantha attempts to help Malva by reaching out with her hand, only for Malva to reject the offer by slapping her hand away. Malva reaches out to Lysandre as he falls to the ground after {{p|Zygarde}} disappears, causing both to land onto the sharp rubble below. As he lays in a pool of blood, Lysandre weakly asks the now deceased Malva why the ultimate weapon has not been fired yet. Afterward, the remaining Elite Four members and Diantha carry Malva's corpse away.

====Pokémon====
=====On hand=====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Malva
|pkmn=Pyroar
|gender=female
|type1=Fire
|type2=Normal
|img=Malva Pyroar Adventures.png
|epnum=PAXY02
|epname=X-actly What They Wanted
|desc={{p|Pyroar}} is Malva's first known Pokémon. It was first seen being borrowed by [[Aliana]] to attack Vaniville Town so that they could obtain {{adv|X}}'s Mega Ring. When Malva returned to active duty as a Team Flare member, she took Pyroar back with her.

None of Pyroar's moves are known.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Malva
|pkmn=Delphox
|stage1=Fennekin
|stage2=Braixen
|type1=Fire
|type2=Psychic
|img=Malva Delphox Adventures.png
|epnum=PAXY01
|epname=An X-cuse to Come Out and Play
|main=yes
|desc=This {{p|Delphox}}, as a {{p|Fennekin}}, was was given to [[Trevor]] from [[Professor Sycamore]] to give to {{adv|X}}. It was separated from Trevor after the destruction of Vaniville Town and later found by Team Flare alongside other collected Pokémon. After returning to active duty as a member of Team Flare, Malva found Fennekin and the Pokédex inside a box with the other Pokémon. She decided to take Fennekin for herself, but the Pokédex fell under her foot and was crushed. Sometime later, Fennekin evolved into a Braixen. It was used to battle against Diantha when she and her allies came to stop Team Flare from obtaining Xerneas and attacking X. Malva used Braixen's {{m|Magic Room}} to trap Diantha, but noted that its effect does not work on Mega Stones.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Malva
|pkmn=Talonflame
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|img=Malva Talonflame Adventures.png
|epnum=X & Y chapter (Adventures)
|epname=X & Y chapter
|desc={{p|Talonflame}} is Malva's fourth known Pokémon. It was first used to attack Diantha in order to prevent her from getting to the Pokémon Village.

Talonflame's known moves are {{m|Razor Wind}} and {{m|Acrobatics}}.}}

=====Lost=====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Malva
|pkmn=Yveltal
|type1=Dark
|type2=Flying
|img=Malva Yveltal Adventures.png
|img2=Malva Yveltal cocoon form Adventures.png
|epnum=PAXY01
|epname=An X-cuse to Come Out and Play
|desc={{p|Yveltal}} is Malva's third known Pokémon. It first appeared in Vaniville Town, where it battled Xerneas, causing destruction to the town. Afterward, the two left and reverted to their dormant forms in {{rt|8|Kalos}}. While Team Flare found Xerneas and managed to take it to their secret HQ to power the ultimate weapon, Malva went underground where Yveltal was sleeping and managed to obtain it. Malva revealed her capture of Yveltal at Geosenge Town, where she used it to battle Y's newly-obtained Xerneas. The battle was interrupted by Xerosic, who pointed out that the battle would never end due to Yveltal and Xerneas being evenly matched. Later, it ended up turning back into its cocoon form alongside Y's [[Xerxer]], who turned into its tree form.

Yveltal's known moves are {{m|Oblivion Wing}} and {{m|Phantom Force}}.}}

=====Borrowed=====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Celosia
|pkmn=Aegislash
|type1=Steel
|type2=Ghost
|img=Celosia Aegislash Adventures.png
|epnum=PAXY05
|epname=Kangaskhan...Kangascan't
|desc=On {{rt|9|Kalos}}, Malva borrowed Celosia's {{p|Aegislash}} to use its mind controlling ability to manipulate a group of Sky Trainers to attack X and his friends. It was defeated by X's {{p|Manectric|Élec}} after it Mega Evolved into Mega Manectric.

Aegislash's known moves are {{m|Slash}} and {{m|King's Shield}}, and its Ability is {{a|Stance Change}}.}}

==Trivia==
* She is the only member of the Elite Four to be a member of a [[villainous teams|villainous team]] in the games and anime.
* She is the only Trainer to battle with the Elite Four theme in all her battles, including outside both the Pokémon League and Battle Chateau.
* She is the only member of the Elite Four in the anime to have lost on-screen against a Trainer that is neither another Elite Four member or a {{pkmn|Champion}}.

==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="float:left; background: #{{fire color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{fire color dark}}"
|-
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| パキラ ''Pachira''
| From the genus ''{{wp|Pachira}}''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English, French, Italian, Spanish
| Malva
| From the genus ''{{wp|Malva}}'', ''lava'', and ''[[wiktionary:mal|mal]]'' (evil), relating to her status as a Team Flare member.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| German
| Pachira
| Same as her Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 파키라 ''Pachira''
| From her Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan}})
| 帕琦拉 ''Pàqílā''
| Transliteration of her Japanese name
|}
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==Related articles==
* [[a:Category:Malva|Images on the Bulbagarden Archives]]
{{Kalos League}} 
{{Team Flare}} 
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{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Elite Four Trainers]]
[[Category:X and Y characters]]
[[Category:Fire-type Trainers]]
[[Category:Members of Team Flare]]
[[Category:Trainers with Key Stones]]
[[Category:Anime characters]]
[[Category:Pokémon Adventures characters]]

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